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| 02:04.45 | chouimat|Zzzzz | night |
| 02:12.39 | chouimat|Zzzzz | TomW: if you do your webpal board tell me I'm interested |
| 02:12.55 | TomW | k |
| 02:13.12 | TomW | chouimat|Zzzzz: just working at doing the footprints for some of the chips now. |
| 02:13.52 | chouimat|Zzzzz | ok ... good night |
| 02:25.03 | Russ | anyone know tom wood? |
| 02:26.35 | jacques | the guy who makes custom drive shafts? |
| 02:44.02 | Russ | ? |
| 02:44.03 | Russ | no |
| 02:44.11 | Russ | the former lineo employee |
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| 03:05.00 | Russ | weird...mapquest has some roads that you can only see if they are on the edge of a map |
| 03:05.08 | Russ | if you try to look right at them, they disapear |
| 03:06.01 | Russ | wonder if that means its on the boundry of two databases |
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| 04:14.20 | sjhill | TimRiker: still up? |
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| 05:50.18 | levi__ | I finally pulled my tuxscreen out of its box again... |
| 05:51.35 | TomW | heh, does it still power up? |
| 05:51.37 | levi__ | having a hell of a time getting buildroot-tux to work. |
| 05:51.49 | TomW | :( |
| 05:51.50 | levi__ | Yeah, it works great, just never got much done with it. |
| 05:52.09 | TomW | I'm working with some webpals lately. |
| 05:52.31 | levi__ | Never picked up one of those, figured I'd better play with the tuxscreen before I bought a new toy. |
| 05:53.44 | levi__ | Grr, the picogui compile is failing. |
| 05:53.57 | levi__ | Maybe I should use one of the other gui options. |
| 05:55.01 | TomW | yeah, try microwindows or tinyx. I don't think that the problem with tinyx and the screen colors has been fixed though. |
| 05:55.17 | TomW | is matchbox in there? IIRC, that compiled ok. |
| 05:55.26 | andersee | TomW: as I recall, you simply have to start tinyx manually |
| 05:55.49 | TomW | andersee: yeah from a network connection, e.g. telnet |
| 05:56.23 | TomW | Tim kept saying that he could start it from a script (manually) and get the color right, but I never could get it to do that. |
| 05:56.38 | levi__ | I'll try microwindows |
| 05:57.07 | TomW | TimRiker: how goes it? dis-illusioned yet? |
| 06:20.36 | levi__ | This was so easy last time I tried it. |
| 06:23.18 | TomW | heh |
| 06:23.35 | TomW | sometimes things change, but not for the better? |
| 06:23.56 | levi__ | Yeah, like people stopped using it and now it's broke. |
| 06:24.21 | kergoth | someone should test the tuxscreen kernel build in the OZ buildroot |
| 06:24.33 | kergoth | i added it ages ago but dont own a tux :) |
| 06:24.56 | levi__ | Why does the OZ buildroot have a tuxscreen kernel? |
| 06:25.06 | kergoth | because it has a configuration interface |
| 06:25.15 | kergoth | make menuconfig/xconfig/gconfig/config/oldconfig/* |
| 06:25.39 | kergoth | it supports what, 8-10 devices atm. zaurus, ipaq, simpad, etc |
| 06:25.58 | kergoth | kenb uses it to make ext2 images he accesses from his webpal |
| 06:26.05 | kergoth | heh |
| 06:28.54 | levi__ | I just want this stupid buildroot-tux to work. |
| 06:29.30 | levi__ | Does anyone use tuxscreens anymore? |
| 07:23.54 | TimRiker | TomW: nope. things are going well. I'm at OLS at the moment. |
| 07:25.55 | TomW | TimRikerOLS: good, was just wondering when we'll see some linux products from TI. |
| 07:26.21 | TimRikerOLS | RSN ;-) |
| 07:26.32 | TomW | lol |
| 07:26.43 | TomW | standardized, copyrighted, reply |
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| 09:15.14 | TomW | mallum: I've been in contact with a fellow in California that has about 200 of those webpals. He has been selling them on ebay for $5..$20. |
| 09:15.43 | TomW | he is threatening to toss them into the landfill (trash). |
| 09:17.04 | mallum | TomW: hehe, I'll check ebay |
| 09:17.14 | mallum | TomW: I'll be in LA in approx 4 weeks too |
| 09:17.21 | TomW | heh |
| 09:17.53 | mallum | TomW: Im suprised mr riker hasn't tried to by them in bulk |
| 09:18.04 | TomW | he says that he has a number of them that don't have power supplies, cords, etc. He asked if I was interested in paying the shipping to have them sent to me rather than trash them. |
| 09:19.11 | TomW | where do you live? |
| 09:19.27 | mallum | London, England |
| 09:19.56 | TomW | hmmm, you better not take any back with you, you'll probably end up paying Custom on them. heehee |
| 09:21.41 | mallum | TomW: Im going london -> LA -> Hawaii -> Japan :-)) |
| 09:22.38 | TomW | EEEEEEEEEyuk |
| 09:22.46 | TomW | mallum: world tour? |
| 09:23.12 | TomW | mallum: that is going to be a few hours flying time.. |
| 09:24.11 | mallum | TomW: Honeymoon :-) |
| 09:25.34 | TomW | hoo hoo! Congradulation, old man! |
| 09:26.15 | TomW | mallum: takes a while to "find a keeper". |
| 09:26.50 | TomW | mallum: I've started looking around again seriously. |
| 09:28.15 | mallum | hehe, good luck :-) |
| 09:30.04 | TomW | mallum: the fun is in the looking. :D |
| 09:30.20 | TomW | mallum: ... and sampling.. |
| 09:31.07 | mallum | indeed |
| 09:31.17 | mallum | are you up really late ? |
| 09:33.38 | TomW | mallum: yeah, got involved with getting a new server put together for a guy last night. Freaking Promise FastTrak RAID controller was something I'd never worked with before. Took me a while to get it "right". |
| 09:34.17 | TomW | mallum: it was very late (early?) before I got finished. I am starting to see double now, so it must be time to crash soon. |
| 09:35.28 | TomW | mallum: I worked for a couple of hours at designing a plugin board for my webpals. I have to demo a concept and the webpals would be perfect for it. |
| 09:35.50 | TomW | s/worked/worked tonight/ |
| 09:37.15 | mallum | TomW: sounds nice, wish I new more about electronics |
| 09:37.39 | TomW | no you don't |
| 09:37.43 | TomW | heh |
| 09:38.19 | mallum | hehe |
| 09:38.37 | TomW | this will be an interesting little project. I am planning on running IP over a half duplex RS485 link. |
| 09:38.59 | mallum | I got a jornada 720 the other week and have been experimenting with the kernel on that |
| 09:39.47 | TomW | I was thinking of hacking an ethernet driver and tacking in the RS485 stuff. I still don't know if I will be able to use the ARP tables though.. |
| 09:40.11 | TomW | I'll need some kind of arp table. |
| 09:41.02 | TomW | mmm, maybe not, maybe I won't need arp. |
| 09:41.32 | TomW | mallum: what is the jornada? a PDA? |
| 09:44.03 | mallum | yeah, hp one with keyboard and 640x240 display |
| 09:44.13 | mallum | strongarm, just about runs linux |
| 09:44.50 | mallum | http://handhelds.org/~mallum/j720/ |
| 09:48.31 | TomW | mallum: heh, cute display shots. |
| 09:49.22 | TomW | mallum: I'm not much for handheld stuff, I regard them only as "interesting". |
| 09:51.54 | mallum | TomW: right |
| 09:52.25 | TomW | mallum: you do the MatchBox, right? |
| 09:53.26 | mallum | yeah |
| 09:53.45 | TomW | mallum: is there any reason that you cannot run something like Mozilla under Matchbox? |
| 09:54.58 | TomW | I mean, all Matchbox is is a video rendering engine, right? |
| 09:55.24 | mallum | TomW: mozilla runs well under matchbox |
| 09:55.42 | mallum | TomW: all matchbox does is manage windows, size/position/decorate them |
| 09:55.58 | mallum | TomW: I've been playing with the minimo branch of mozilla recently |
| 09:56.10 | TomW | mallum: right, I use the matchbox to replace XFree86 then. |
| 09:56.25 | TomW | minimo? |
| 09:56.35 | TomW | oh, mini-mozilla |
| 09:56.50 | mallum | http://mozilla.org/projects/minimo/ |
| 09:57.03 | mallum | TomW: matchbox dont replace xfree, it just runs on top |
| 09:57.26 | mallum | TomW: just like any other window manager - eg blackbox, metacity, e etc |
| 09:57.52 | mallum | TomW: matchbox is just more suited for PDAs, kiosks etc with its management policy and resource use |
| 09:58.04 | TomW | mallum: oh, so I need tinyx then to run minimo |
| 09:58.37 | mallum | TomW: any x server will do |
| 09:58.54 | TomW | yeah, even debian |
| 09:59.14 | TomW | I mean the debian ARM stuff has a decent version of X in it. |
| 10:00.20 | mallum | yeah, though I never got debians X to run on my CATS machine :/ |
| 10:00.32 | mallum | one sec gonna switch to other machine |
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| 10:03.48 | mallum_ | hey |
| 10:03.51 | TomW | k |
| 10:04.15 | TomW | mallum_: I did get the debian stuff running on the Tux at one time. |
| 10:04.39 | mallum_ | I cleaned up my office room at the weekend so I can actually fit in it now and use my fast expensive machine rather than my aging laptop |
| 10:04.47 | mallum_ | triple display :-) |
| 10:04.53 | TomW | mallum_: bit of a pita to get the initial image seeded onto the IDE drive, but it worked ok. |
| 10:05.06 | TomW | heh |
| 10:05.33 | TomW | uhoh, you know what happens when you get a wife, don't you? |
| 10:05.42 | mallum_ | yeah, you built the ide interface for the tux right ? |
| 10:05.53 | TomW | mallum_: suddenly you get a lot more stuff! |
| 10:06.02 | TomW | mallum_: yeah, that was mine. |
| 10:06.21 | TomW | xfer rate was only about 4MB/s |
| 10:07.03 | TomW | mallum: that was another one of "interesting projects". |
| 10:07.15 | TomW | s/one of/one of my/ |
| 10:09.34 | TomW | mallum_: that was another one of my "interesting projects". |
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| 10:09.59 | mallum_ | TomW: :-) |
| 10:11.40 | TomW | mallum_: yeah, I was wondering about the need for X and running mozilla. The board that I'm putting together for the webpal is going to add: 10BaseT + Quad serial port (2 RS232 & 2 RS485) + a CF slot. |
| 10:12.27 | TomW | mallum_: I'll be increasing the DRAM up to 32Meg and then I'll see how / if debian X can be made to run on it with minimo |
| 10:13.18 | mallum_ | TomW: you have a framebuffer device on it ? |
| 10:13.31 | mallum_ | TomW: oh doesn't it have an actual video chip in it ? |
| 10:13.37 | TomW | mallum_: heh, could add one easily enough, eh? |
| 10:14.23 | TomW | mallum_: yeah, it has a 640x480 VGA output to either a TV monitor (RCA jacks) or you can plug in a CRT. |
| 10:14.56 | TomW | mallum_: I have one of them running in console mode right now on my TV set. |
| 10:15.07 | mallum_ | TomW: ah cool, via framebuffer driver ? |
| 10:15.47 | mallum_ | TomW: is it an ARM cpu or an x86 one ? |
| 10:15.51 | TomW | mallum_: dunno, I haven't played with the webpal linux stuff that I put together a while back. |
| 10:15.57 | TomW | mallum_: ARM720 |
| 10:16.18 | TomW | mallum: er, ARM710? CLPS7500FE |
| 10:16.38 | mallum_ | what HZ is that ? |
| 10:16.40 | TomW | mallum_: er, ARM710? CLPS7500FE |
| 10:17.20 | mallum_ | yeah in the webpal |
| 10:18.15 | TomW | mallum_: IIRC, 27MIPS, so what is that? 66MHz? |
| 10:18.33 | TomW | mallum_: 0.9 * FREQ == MIPS? |
| 10:18.39 | TomW | naw |
| 10:19.13 | mallum_ | what time is it there ? |
| 10:19.25 | TomW | 0618 |
| 10:19.58 | TomW | I got up at 1500 yesterday afternoon |
| 10:20.10 | mallum_ | ouch |
| 10:20.52 | TomW | now I am confused, I need to get back onto "real time" again. I hate it when I get my internal body clock screwed up. |
| 10:21.06 | mallum_ | yeah me too |
| 10:22.06 | TomW | mallum_: how do you find out what the difference is between ARM710 & ARM720, etc? I looked on the arm.com site and it didn't seem to have a lot of very technical information. |
| 10:23.09 | TomW | like ARM10 is mostly added DSP stuff, ARM11 is faster chips + DSP, etc. |
| 10:24.36 | TomW | mallum_: yeah, I recall, the webpal stuff uses the acorn framebuffer stuff. I had the devil's own time getting the font changed. |
| 10:25.01 | file | hey you two |
| 10:25.04 | mallum_ | ah right, it'd be nice to see how tinyX runs on it |
| 10:25.08 | mallum_ | hey file |
| 10:25.10 | TomW | file: what!? |
| 10:25.21 | file | TomW: hello. |
| 10:25.32 | TomW | file: when did you sneak in here? heh |
| 10:25.39 | file | TomW: many days ago |
| 10:25.46 | TomW | heh |
| 10:26.10 | TomW | yeah, been quiet around here without sorphin... |
| 10:27.39 | TomW | bedtime, later guys. |
| 11:18.31 | chouimat | morning |
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| 13:29.54 | CosmicPenguin | morning |
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| 14:30.16 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: morning |
| 14:31.02 | prpplague | morning |
| 14:31.35 | prpplague | mmmmm, omap based tungsten t2 |
| 14:33.54 | CosmicPenguin | Sigh - omap |
| 14:38.44 | prpplague | shit - http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,1201896,00.asp |
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| 14:51.07 | sieve_work | morning all |
| 15:02.13 | CosmicPenguin | hmm.... apt get wants to upgrade me to X 4.2.1 |
| 15:05.10 | prpplague | apt-get upgrade dave-life |
| 15:05.42 | prpplague | apt-get error: must remove dave-psycho-wife first |
| 15:19.51 | prpplague | mighty quite today |
| 15:20.03 | signal11 | CosmicPenguin: have you seen the #epia channel at all |
| 15:23.30 | CosmicPenguin | No |
| 15:23.41 | mallum- | hmm, epia chan |
| 15:24.27 | signal11 | it doesn't look too crowded, but i'm sure there will be useful into there from time to time |
| 15:25.50 | mallum- | lets INVADE |
| 15:26.09 | CosmicPenguin | jacques_gone should get in on this too |
| 15:27.39 | mallum- | signal11: seen my epia box ? |
| 15:27.53 | signal11 | no, whats the url |
| 15:28.14 | signal11 | maybe post the link in #epia even |
| 16:11.32 | mallum- | CosmicPenguin: Id really like to get my hand on pixil and do some matchbox integration :-) |
| 16:11.41 | CosmicPenguin | mallum-: I know, I know |
| 16:12.02 | CosmicPenguin | Trust me, I want this thing out too. Right now its sitting there waiting for Greg to decide to get the web site up and going |
| 16:12.25 | kergoth | and the web site wasnt being worked on _while_ you working on it pixil why exactly? |
| 16:12.28 | kergoth | anyway. |
| 16:12.51 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: you have been following our trials and tribulations - are you really surprised? |
| 16:13.15 | kergoth | not particularly |
| 16:13.19 | kergoth | still annoying though |
| 16:13.37 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: you don't have to tell me |
| 16:13.51 | mallum- | CosmicPenguin: np, sorry to hassle |
| 16:14.01 | mallum- | CosmicPenguin: its runs on X right ? |
| 16:16.39 | CosmicPenguin | mallum-: most of it. The PIM suites at least |
| 16:17.22 | CosmicPenguin | mallum-: The games, window manager, Nano-X utils, etc.... are Microwindows only |
| 16:22.59 | mallum- | CosmicPenguin: ah thats cool, using fltk ? |
| 16:27.22 | CosmicPenguin | mallum-: yep - the pims use FLTK |
| 16:27.26 | CosmicPenguin | So does ViewML |
| 16:27.59 | CosmicPenguin | We'll probably be integrating the Nxlib into the build system too, so you can build and run X11 apps on Microwindows... :-) |
| 16:28.23 | mallum- | CosmicPenguin: right, it'd be intersting to see if mb can build against nxlib |
| 16:28.35 | mallum- | CosmicPenguin: does it do SHAPE and mitshm ? |
| 16:28.37 | CosmicPenguin | Doubtful - we don't handle any of the funky WM hints or anything |
| 16:29.04 | CosmicPenguin | The nxlib implements a good chunk of the X11 core functions - so if your library is built against the X11 core, it might work |
| 16:29.53 | CosmicPenguin | When we originally wrote it, we were targeting QT |
| 16:30.13 | CosmicPenguin | And then we have recently expanded it to run most of the GTK tutorials |
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| 17:39.27 | sjhill | botmail read |
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| 17:47.27 | TomW | Hmm, something must be wrong here.. andersee logged in during daylight hours? |
| 17:47.40 | sjhill | hi TimRiker |
| 17:47.41 | sjhill | TimRiker: thx for the doc.... |
| 17:47.52 | file | Everybody was kung fu fighting! |
| 17:48.39 | CosmicPenguin | TimRiker: quality article on EWeek |
| 17:49.19 | CosmicPenguin | Though I diagree that its Mozilla or bust regarding browsing on an handheld |
| 17:51.12 | TimRiker | CosmicPenguin: miss quotes. |
| 17:51.34 | TimRiker | we talked quite a bit about other decent options, but they did not make the press. |
| 17:51.59 | file | chouimat: Front and center Cadet Chouinard! |
| 17:55.05 | CosmicPenguin | TimRiker: those things happen when you are a celebitry |
| 18:28.51 | mallum- | CosmicPenguin: you a url for the eweek artical ? |
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| 18:43.22 | CosmicPenguin | mallum- prpplague had it |
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| 19:07.34 | TimRiker | CosmicPenguin: yeah, I wish. ;-) |
| 19:08.09 | CosmicPenguin | Mr. Chief Technologist of TI |
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| 19:49.19 | prpplague | anyone have a good example of usage of poll() ? |
| 19:53.54 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: yeah, select() |
| 19:57.25 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: lol, its a little different |
| 19:58.05 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah, I know... I prefer select() though... :) |
| 19:58.38 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm having a problem with some legacy code where a custom sig is fooling select |
| 19:58.53 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i need to check for the custom sig call |
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| 20:57.08 | CosmicPenguin | Man, its hot |
| 20:58.09 | chouimat | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:01.09 | legodude | mad hot here in Madrid |
| 21:01.09 | CosmicPenguin | Thats one way to reach the kids - get down on their level |
| 21:01.09 | CosmicPenguin | NOAA says its 99 in Salt Lake City right now |
| 21:01.13 | CosmicPenguin | 1 more degree, and we're going to set a record for the most days above 100 in a row |
| 21:01.44 | legodude | it's been over 100 here a lot in July |
| 21:01.54 | legodude | 40-43 is not uncommon |
| 21:04.57 | CosmicPenguin | It doesn't help that we are in an extreme drought condition either |
| 21:05.39 | CosmicPenguin | It has not rained in northern utah for 30 days |
| 21:06.14 | legodude | ya |
| 21:06.22 | legodude | I didn't know that Spain was a desert country |
| 21:06.30 | legodude | and Madrid is right smack dab in middle of it |
| 21:06.34 | legodude | rude shock for me lakeboy |
| 21:08.44 | CosmicPenguin | Damn deserts |
| 21:17.09 | legodude | wow |
| 21:17.12 | legodude | that site is great |
| 21:17.24 | file | chouimat: do you know where Lachine is? |
| 21:17.36 | chouimat | file: montreal |
| 21:17.54 | file | ic |
| 21:23.21 | file | according to Yahoo to drive from Colonie NY to Lachine PQ should take 3 1/2 hours... |
| 21:23.24 | file | yet it's been like 5 |
| 21:29.40 | legodude | file: ? |
| 21:29.55 | legodude | you driving around lost or something? |
| 21:30.17 | CosmicPenguin | file: put down the IRC and concentrate on driving |
| 21:33.16 | legodude | haha |
| 21:33.16 | legodude | ya |
| 21:33.20 | legodude | that's kinda scary |
| 21:33.24 | legodude | how are you irc and driving? |
| 21:41.09 | legodude | hrm |
| 22:10.00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: crap neither poll or select is working right |
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| 22:16.41 | legodude | file |
| 22:16.45 | legodude | how you on irc? |
| 22:16.50 | legodude | for fun |
| 22:16.55 | legodude | try www.metahuman.org |
| 22:17.00 | legodude | really freaky |
| 22:17.53 | file | legodude: I can't even drive yet lol |
| 22:18.14 | file | LOL |
| 22:18.55 | legodude | then what the heck are you doing? |
| 22:18.55 | file | tracking my laptop |
| 22:19.14 | legodude | haha |
| 22:19.15 | file | now if I was driving, I'd be on a Danger Hiptop :) |
| 22:19.19 | legodude | on UPS or something |
| 22:19.22 | legodude | okay |
| 22:19.25 | file | yup |
| 22:19.25 | legodude | so other people are driving |
| 22:19.27 | legodude | not you |
| 22:19.31 | legodude | this makes me much happier |
| 22:19.38 | file | 1Z 769 3X4 68 4576 373 8 |
| 22:19.39 | file | go track |
| 22:20.13 | legodude | I have soooooo many toys waiting for me at home |
| 22:20.48 | file | :) |
| 22:21.11 | legodude | what kinda laptop? |
| 22:21.19 | file | Thinkpad 560Z |
| 22:21.32 | legodude | early pentium? |
| 22:21.37 | file | Pentium II |
| 22:21.48 | legodude | alright |
| 22:21.51 | legodude | no idea what that one is then |
| 22:22.09 | file | I like the 560 series... so my current 560 is almost dead |
| 22:22.17 | file | so I thought I'd get a 560Z since it has cardbus and USB |
| 22:22.23 | legodude | ah |
| 22:22.30 | legodude | I love my 240 |
| 22:23.06 | legodude | it is slow though |
| 22:23.08 | legodude | only 300mhz |
| 22:23.15 | file | aye |
| 22:23.19 | prpplague | anyone have experience using pselect()? |
| 22:23.25 | file | I don't need speed, so I'm happy with what I have |
| 22:23.33 | legodude | I have been living out of it for last month or so |
| 22:23.34 | legodude | ya |
| 22:23.40 | legodude | 300mhz is fine for most things |
| 22:23.47 | legodude | just as main machine = pain |
| 22:23.56 | file | yeah |
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| 22:24.16 | file | I get to install Win2k Pro in DOS over a LAN :) |
| 22:24.37 | legodude | um |
| 22:24.40 | legodude | don't do that |
| 22:24.42 | legodude | pain |
| 22:24.45 | legodude | only pain will result |
| 22:24.48 | file | lol |
| 22:24.50 | legodude | no cdrom? |
| 22:24.54 | file | I'm copying files to the hardrive first :p |
| 22:24.54 | file | nope |
| 22:25.00 | legodude | me neither |
| 22:25.07 | legodude | I pulled the drive |
| 22:25.07 | file | the 560 series was designed to be TINY... so no floppy/cdrom onboard |
| 22:25.16 | legodude | installed in another machine |
| 22:25.16 | legodude | how many lbs? |
| 22:25.32 | file | 4.2 |
| 22:25.32 | legodude | nice |
| 22:25.32 | legodude | mine is around 3 |
| 22:25.32 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: whats the symptoms? |
| 22:25.32 | legodude | so it seems they are pretty similar |
| 22:27.08 | legodude | thinkpads are sweet laptops |
| 22:27.08 | legodude | I lust after their current small one |
| 22:27.08 | file | legodude: I found a dos bootdisk that'll logon to my network shares, and has a driver for my PCMCIA NIC |
| 22:27.21 | file | legodude: so I'm going to copy the install files over and install from hardrive |
| 22:27.39 | legodude | why not just do like I did? |
| 22:27.41 | legodude | much easier methinks |
| 22:28.03 | file | nah |
| 22:28.15 | file | inserting a floppy disk, typing copy g:\win2k\*.* c:\win2k |
| 22:28.26 | legodude | won't that create problems when repartitioning though? |
| 22:28.31 | legodude | like you can't switch to ntfs |
| 22:28.39 | file | legodude: I don't use NTFS |
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| 22:29.06 | legodude | ah |
| 22:29.14 | legodude | I thought about using your method |
| 22:29.19 | legodude | but I really like ntfs |
| 22:29.30 | file | why? do you see a difference? |
| 22:30.25 | legodude | I seem to have less problems with ti |
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| 22:30.45 | legodude | just with regard to stuff like fragmentation |
| 22:30.52 | legodude | and dirty shutdowns |
| 22:31.56 | legodude | seeya |
| 22:32.00 | legodude | g'ntie all |
| 22:32.00 | file | ic |
| 22:33.18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: got a process sitting at a blocked read |
| 22:33.42 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the original programmer used a sigalrm to jump out of the read |
| 22:33.52 | kergoth | blech. |
| 22:34.11 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: seems the SCO openserver non posix read responds to a sigalrm in a way similiar to using pselect |
| 22:35.19 | prpplague | kergoth: and to think i missed OLS over this crap |
| 22:58.32 | Russ | prpplague: that place is triad electronics |
| 22:58.54 | file | who wants to have some fun? (involves Bestbuy, phone, and intercom) |
| 22:59.06 | Russ | ? |
| 22:59.17 | file | call your local best buy and press 8, then enter in ext 660# and talk over the intercom |
| 22:59.25 | file | :) |
| 23:00.58 | Russ | hahaha |
| 23:01.11 | Russ | where did you find that? |
| 23:01.17 | file | Russ: friend from Alaska |
| 23:01.42 | Russ | carefull who you give that too, if it gets abused, it'll get fixed |
| 23:01.51 | Russ | but in the meantime, you can call fake names to the front |
| 23:02.00 | Russ | ooh, I need the disneyland autotopia recording |
| 23:02.00 | file | well there are no Bestbuys here... so yeah |
| 23:18.37 | prpplague | Russ: right thanks, i was just wondering if they do complete assemble |
| 23:22.23 | Russ | thats what they do |
| 23:23.23 | Russ | they have a solder paste transfer thing (vision placement), they have two vision system pick and place machines, a reflow oven, a wave solder line, some big machine that does some sort of cleaning, and a bunch of rework stations |
| 23:24.04 | prpplague | Russ: they bga? |
| 23:24.08 | prpplague | Russ: they do bga |
| 23:24.09 | prpplague | ? |
| 23:28.15 | Russ | ya |
| 23:28.17 | Russ | they do BGA |
| 23:28.36 | Russ | they have some vision systems to look from the side, but no xray |
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| 23:36.22 | prpplague | Russ: cool |
| 23:36.42 | prpplague | Russ: i was thinking about sending them the layouts for the hackkit and getting quote |
| 23:37.36 | Russ | whats your tolerances and min plated drill size? |
| 23:38.52 | file | Brokerage charges on 2 Thinkpad 560Zs: $115.31 |
| 23:38.57 | file | LOL |
| 23:41.45 | prpplague | Russ: to be honest i've not looked at it in 4 months |
| 23:41.54 | prpplague | Russ: i'll have to grab the files and have a look |
| 23:42.07 | prpplague | Russ: i do remember i used the same settings as the lart |
| 23:46.46 | Russ | lart is pretty loose |
| 23:47.14 | Russ | and a 1.27mm BGA doesn't pull as much design contraint as a QFP204 |
| 23:47.19 | Russ | er, TQFP |