| 00:30.20 | cosmic_away | MonMotha: mystery solved - the Century mailer was borked for a while, so as it went up and down, the automatic recovery mode duplicated the messages that were pending |
| 00:30.30 | cosmic_away | Appparently, the current backlog sits at about 52,000 messages |
| 00:36.07 | MonMotha | heh |
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| 00:38.34 | MonMotha | yeah, 104+ is PCI |
| 00:38.40 | MonMotha | very nice |
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| 01:08.03 | file2 | chouimat: dude |
| 01:08.22 | chouimat | ? |
| 01:08.29 | file2 | chouimat: I'm bored... lol |
| 01:09.09 | chouimat | file2: go to sleep then |
| 01:09.25 | file2 | chouimat: I'm watching something on TV |
| 01:09.33 | file2 | hey, I can IRC from bed now |
| 01:09.35 | file2 | I forgot |
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| 01:28.25 | file[bed] | Master MIPS! |
| 01:28.42 | sjhill | hi file[bed] |
| 01:28.47 | file[bed] | what's up? |
| 01:28.59 | sjhill | just seeing what's shakin' |
| 01:29.18 | sjhill | been very busy with work and house and graduation parties and meeting new neighbors |
| 01:29.27 | chouimat | sjhill: hehe |
| 01:29.32 | sjhill | i am sooo happy to be in my basement this evening |
| 01:30.21 | chouimat | sjhill: I'm packing .... remove cat from box, put books in box, go get others books, remove cat from box ..... |
| 01:30.34 | file[bed] | oh ic |
| 01:30.35 | sjhill | heh |
| 01:30.47 | sjhill | chouimat: where are you moving to? |
| 01:30.53 | file[bed] | don't squash the cat |
| 01:31.14 | chouimat | sjhill: La Pocatiere small town 145km east of quebec city ... my mother's house |
| 01:32.06 | file[bed] | chouimat: have fun |
| 01:32.34 | chouimat | file[bed]: won't pay any rent and will be able to think about what I'm doing next etc ... |
| 01:32.50 | file[bed] | chouimat: will you ever get a vacation? |
| 01:33.17 | chouimat | file[bed]: maybe |
| 01:33.58 | sjhill | chouimat: ah |
| 01:34.23 | sjhill | i love my u160 scsi |
| 01:34.25 | chouimat | sjhill: and my mother is in Switzerland so I will have the house |
| 01:34.28 | sjhill | cool |
| 01:34.35 | chouimat | sjhill: adaptec 29160? |
| 01:34.36 | file[bed] | I need to shave... this is irritating me |
| 01:35.59 | sjhill | 39160 ... 64-bit pci |
| 01:36.26 | chouimat | sjhill: the 29160 is 64/32 |
| 01:36.48 | chouimat | sjhill: I know it's the one I have |
| 01:36.50 | sjhill | oh |
| 01:36.58 | sjhill | well, anyway i have the 39160 :) |
| 01:37.11 | chouimat | the 39160 is double no? |
| 01:37.15 | sjhill | yes |
| 01:37.32 | chouimat | the 29160 only have a channel |
| 01:37.34 | file[bed] | it'll soon be Thursday - and I'll soon know if I have a job this summer |
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| 01:38.16 | sjhill | hi andersee |
| 01:38.17 | file[bed] | hi andersee, how goes the battle? |
| 01:38.26 | andersee | ok |
| 01:38.33 | andersee | sjhill: I'm managing |
| 01:38.37 | sjhill | andersee: whatcha' fighting? |
| 01:38.54 | file[bed] | hrmph, when you're awake your brain generates enough power to illuminate a light bulb |
| 01:38.55 | andersee | Linksys and friends |
| 01:39.08 | sjhill | ah |
| 01:39.23 | sjhill | broadcom is probably involved also |
| 01:39.33 | file[bed] | oh yes |
| 01:39.35 | sjhill | since they supply chips to linksys and i worked on some of the uclibc stuff |
| 01:40.12 | andersee | sjhill: yup. They are almost certainly the source of the problem. For Linksys, Belkin, and Buffalo... |
| 01:40.18 | file[bed] | sjhill: GPL... busybox... routers... violation... |
| 01:41.11 | chouimat | ok someone is smoking weed outside |
| 01:41.19 | sjhill | andersee: how have the violated? |
| 01:41.26 | sjhill | changes to uclibc and/or busybox? |
| 01:42.34 | sjhill | i have been offline for days |
| 01:42.38 | andersee | sjhill: http://lkml.org/archive/2003/6/7/164/index.html |
| 01:42.50 | andersee | sjhill: http://lkml.org/archive/2003/6/7/169/index.html |
| 01:47.50 | sjhill | hmmm |
| 01:47.51 | file[bed] | andersee: do you expect any response from linksys and such? |
| 01:48.49 | andersee | file[bed]: nope. |
| 01:49.17 | file[bed] | andersee: how big is this going to become?!?!?!?!? |
| 01:49.23 | andersee | file[bed]: which is why I expect I will be suing them |
| 01:49.49 | andersee | file[bed]: dunno. As big as it needs to be. |
| 01:50.02 | andersee | file[bed]: They have absolutely no basis for winning though.... |
| 01:52.59 | jacques | l-k thread up to 51 posts |
| 01:53.21 | sjhill | lot of traffic |
| 01:53.32 | file[bed] | sjhill: just get updates from andersee like I am |
| 01:54.02 | jacques | i just read the archives on groups.google.com |
| 01:59.18 | file[bed] | goodnight all |
| 02:00.10 | andersee | night |
| 02:00.18 | sjhill | ciao |
| 02:01.24 | chouimat | hmmm doing a mips, 2 sh4, arm-palmos and m68k-palmos toolchain is boring |
| 02:02.26 | file[bed] | chouimat: do the NDP ever win anything during elections? |
| 02:02.40 | file[bed] | NDP are always last |
| 02:02.49 | chouimat | file[bed]: in quebec? |
| 02:02.54 | file[bed] | yeah |
| 02:03.06 | chouimat | we don't have NDP here |
| 02:03.18 | file[bed] | oh ic |
| 02:03.34 | chouimat | who wins? |
| 02:03.51 | file[bed] | PC |
| 02:04.03 | file[bed] | they've got 28 seats, liberals have 26, and the NDP have 1. |
| 02:05.29 | file[bed] | wait - I'm asleep ... I'm not really here |
| 02:06.26 | chouimat | file[bed]: ok ... here it's Liberal 75 ... PQ 46 adq 4 |
| 02:06.46 | file[bed] | interesting |
| 02:06.46 | file[bed] | ttyl |
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| 02:09.56 | file[bed] | hi Tim |
| 02:15.06 | chouimat | hi tim |
| 02:15.32 | chouimat | shit I'm out of milk for tomorrow |
| 02:15.58 | jacques | i assume linksys et al also use uclibc ? |
| 02:22.30 | cosmic_away | I think that the Ducks are screwed at this point |
| 02:30.32 | chouimat|away | http://www.bekkoame.ne.jp/~ishmnn/java/rubik4d.html |
| 02:39.23 | Morn | chouimat|away: I worked on a 4D rubik's cube too |
| 02:39.25 | Morn | but different |
| 02:39.37 | Morn | http://java.magenet.com/rubik |
| 02:43.15 | CosmicPenguin | FWIW - This is actually true: http://lkml.org/archive/2003/6/8/43/index.html |
| 02:49.22 | chouimat | Morn: cool |
| 02:50.12 | Morn | I need to rewrite parts of it |
| 02:50.17 | Morn | I wrote that in like 1997 |
| 02:50.20 | Morn | or 1996 |
| 02:50.23 | Morn | somewhere around there |
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| 02:51.25 | chouimat | Morn: in 1996/1997 I was writing clipper apps |
| 02:51.44 | Morn | I wrote that before Swing was out |
| 02:51.59 | Morn | it was written with a Netscape developed API for GUI's |
| 02:52.07 | Morn | I think Netscape ditched the project |
| 02:52.27 | Morn | it was one of my first Java Applets |
| 02:56.43 | chouimat | Morn:the only thing I did in java was a corba enabled billard that displayed the balls on several screens |
| 02:57.39 | Morn | I've reworked my 4D algorithms |
| 02:57.44 | Morn | I just need to recode the apps |
| 03:06.42 | Morn | ack! |
| 03:07.03 | Morn | I started a full backup of the /home dirs on my server 11 hours ago and it's only 60% done |
| 03:07.07 | chouimat | Morn: os/2 or the song :) |
| 03:07.57 | Morn | this full backup thing takes a while |
| 03:08.04 | Morn | thank god I have an autoloader |
| 03:08.14 | Morn | though I'm on tape 5 of a 6 tape loader |
| 03:10.41 | chouimat | ouch |
| 03:12.44 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
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| 04:00.48 | Russ | bah to what cp posted |
| 04:01.08 | MonMotha | ? |
| 04:01.14 | Russ | http://lkml.org/archive/2003/6/8/43/index.html |
| 04:03.41 | MonMotha | o |
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| 05:35.16 | MonMotha | now, while I've got a captive hardware-knowledgable audience, is it common to only decode the lower 10 bits of the ISA address bus? |
| 05:38.47 | Russ | then you would shadow across the entire region every 1024 bits.... |
| 05:41.05 | MonMotha | yeah |
| 05:41.21 | MonMotha | I've got lots of ISA cards that don't even have metal at the locations of the upper 10 address bits |
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| 05:46.05 | Russ | just so you know, isa addressing is very confusing and screwed up |
| 05:46.20 | Russ | addresses in sofware don't match up with addresses in hardware |
| 05:46.39 | MonMotha | well sure |
| 05:46.47 | MonMotha | I noticed that on the webpal |
| 05:47.08 | MonMotha | they map the ISA bus to another location in the proc's IO space |
| 05:47.22 | MonMotha | I was jst curious about the only decoding the lower 10 bits thing |
| 05:47.33 | MonMotha | I've been unable to find ANY info regarding that seemingly common practice |
| 05:47.35 | Russ | so the 10 address pins towards the middle of the connector are unconnected? |
| 05:47.46 | MonMotha | nonexistant, just a bare board there |
| 05:48.02 | MonMotha | so yeah, unconnected |
| 05:48.18 | Russ | is /smemw and /smemr connected? |
| 05:48.54 | Russ | (B11, B12) |
| 05:49.41 | MonMotha | nope |
| 05:50.10 | MonMotha | that's right next to IOR/IOW, right? |
| 05:50.14 | Russ | but B13 and B14 are connected? /ior, /iow? |
| 05:50.18 | MonMotha | yeah |
| 05:50.27 | Russ | probably has something to do with io vs memory addresses |
| 05:50.38 | Russ | ie, 0xc0000 vs 0x3f8 |
| 05:50.44 | MonMotha | is the IO port space address smaller? |
| 05:50.53 | Russ | I would guess that is the case |
| 05:50.57 | MonMotha | yeah, that made no sense, parse it as you will :) |
| 05:50.59 | MonMotha | ah |
| 05:51.09 | MonMotha | so the IO port address space is only 10 bits? |
| 05:51.20 | Russ | look at /proc/ioports |
| 05:51.21 | MonMotha | I've seen no indication of that in any of the ISA toutorials, though I wouldn't doubt it |
| 05:53.21 | MonMotha | yeah, ISA space looks to go to 3ff |
| 05:53.41 | MonMotha | after that I hit my SMBus interface at 400, which is above a 10 bit address space |
| 05:53.51 | MonMotha | (those are hex obviously) |
| 05:54.04 | MonMotha | interesting |
| 05:54.12 | MonMotha | you'd think they'd note that on the "about the ISA bus" pages |
| 05:55.47 | Russ | you might be looking in the wrong place |
| 05:56.40 | MonMotha | possibly |
| 05:56.46 | MonMotha | know a good ISA reference? |
| 05:56.48 | MonMotha | I've just been googling about |
| 05:57.01 | Russ | I had them, but since lost them |
| 05:57.06 | MonMotha | ah |
| 06:00.12 | MonMotha | yeah, a couple pages if you explicitly search for pages containing "address space" mention that the upper 10 bits aren't usable on an XT |
| 06:10.28 | MonMotha | hum...I don't like that smell |
| 06:10.34 | MonMotha | blown tantalum cap...bad smell |
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| 06:43.36 | Russ | mmmm.... |
| 06:43.42 | Russ | leaves a nice black mare on the board too |
| 06:44.05 | Russ | my boss did that to one of my dev boards once, attempting to show it to investors while I wasn't there |
| 06:44.13 | Russ | "oh look, there's a power supply that fits" |
| 06:44.34 | MonMotha | heh |
| 06:44.39 | MonMotha | yup |
| 06:44.48 | MonMotha | and I can't believe it, but National EOLed the 8390 |
| 06:45.08 | Russ | bout time |
| 06:45.14 | MonMotha | true |
| 06:45.34 | MonMotha | but I'd have throught that it had become popular enough that they'd keep it going until it was long obsolete (then again, it is long obsolete :) |
| 06:47.18 | MonMotha | well, I need to get to bed |
| 06:47.24 | MonMotha | much as I like to keep tinkering with things :) |
| 06:47.48 | MonMotha | (oh, and in case you're curious, I didn't know I had the cap hooked up and accidentally put power on it backwards :) |
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| 06:50.20 | Russ | thats why you install a protection diode |
| 06:50.41 | MonMotha | Russ: well, had I known anything was hooked up to the protoboard, I would have removed it |
| 06:50.48 | MonMotha | I just plain didn't know this cap was even hooked up to the power rails |
| 06:50.57 | MonMotha | oh well, they're like 35 cents |
| 06:51.03 | Russ | ah |
| 06:51.07 | Russ | just a breadboard |
| 06:51.08 | MonMotha | just make a nasty smell and leave a small black mark on the protoboard |
| 06:51.10 | MonMotha | yeah |
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| 13:42.31 | CosmicPenguin | Morning |
| 13:43.41 | file[bed] | hi |
| 13:44.35 | file[bed] | what's up? |
| 13:49.19 | CosmicPenguin | still wading through deep pools of spam |
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| 14:22.22 | kergoth | hey |
| 14:23.43 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: morning |
| 14:26.25 | sieve | morning all |
| 14:28.14 | paq_ | morning |
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| 15:12.42 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:15.54 | TimRiker | ~seen prpplague |
| 15:15.56 | | prpplague <~billybob@12.148.134.9> was last seen on IRC in channel #elinux, 20h 38m 9s ago, saying: 'chouimat|bored: ya well, not sure i'm going, just getting prepared'. |
| 15:17.05 | chouimat | TimRiker: I think he was getting ready for a trip to barbados |
| 15:21.34 | file[bed] | chouimat: how long is it? |
| 15:22.16 | chouimat | file[bed]: no too long |
| 15:22.32 | file[bed] | oh ic |
| 15:22.43 | chouimat | s/no/not |
| 15:28.38 | file[bed] | chouimat: most interesting |
| 15:29.44 | chouimat | file[bed]: just need to port an application I'm writing to the palm for friday ... and I need to finish the other for friday too |
| 15:30.13 | file[bed] | chouimat: good luck |
| 15:30.53 | chouimat | file[bed]: thanks |
| 16:18.21 | sieve | TimRiker: prpplague should be broadcasting live from barbados tomorrow.... |
| 16:18.52 | TimRiker | anyone know what's prpplague's status with OLS? I requested a shared room with him, just getting nervous about getting details for the trip. |
| 16:23.01 | file[bed] | TimRiker: oh ic |
| 16:24.55 | file[bed] | http://bl.net/forwards/cybersex.html |
| 16:24.58 | file[bed] | now that's hilarious |
| 16:28.32 | CosmicPenguin | file[bed]: thats pretty good |
| 16:31.42 | chouimat | sieve: is prpplague home more that 3 days/year? |
| 16:33.22 | file[bed] | home is wear your best internet connection is |
| 16:33.24 | file[bed] | er where |
| 16:34.01 | kergoth | file[bed]: i live at work? |
| 16:34.13 | file[bed] | kergoth: it's possible |
| 16:47.36 | file[bed] | sharp chest pains, uh oh |
| 16:52.21 | chouimat | ARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG |
| 16:55.59 | file[bed] | what? |
| 16:57.17 | chouimat | I just learned that the co I need to do an applicattiion for friday is filling form for bankrupty so my project is cancelled and I need to wait to get some money |
| 16:57.28 | file[bed] | oh dear me... |
| 17:01.39 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: doh |
| 17:04.58 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: I definitly need a more stable job ... |
| 17:06.18 | file[bed] | 2 more days till I hopefully get notified... |
| 17:19.12 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: I know what you mean - I've been sitting around twiddling my thumbs for two weeks now |
| 17:20.08 | file[bed] | CosmicPenguin: are they raw yet? |
| 17:22.54 | CosmicPenguin | pretty close |
| 17:23.18 | file[bed] | oh ic |
| 17:25.31 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: I had a deadline this friday but ... I will go see a laawyer this afternoon to see if I can gpl the code |
| 17:26.45 | file[bed] | oh now I understand this X-Files episode now... |
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| 17:32.24 | file[bed] | hi GPSFan |
| 17:32.51 | chouimat|away | bbl |
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| 18:00.29 | CosmicPenguin | file[bed]: you never heard of poker solitare? |
| 18:00.34 | file[bed] | no. |
| 18:02.18 | CosmicPenguin | file[bed]: its pretty simple. You have a 5 x 5 grid. You draw cards from the deck and try to arrange them so that they create poker hands (both vertically and horizontally) |
| 18:02.35 | CosmicPenguin | The better the hand, the better the score, of course |
| 18:02.40 | file[bed] | o.k. |
| 18:03.25 | CosmicPenguin | There are variations that you lay out the cards in a grid, and you can swap each card once with another card in the grid |
| 18:06.59 | mallum | hey all |
| 18:07.32 | mallum | kergoth: I got minimo ( low cal ish mozilla ) running on the c700 :-) I plan to add it to buildroot soon |
| 18:07.41 | kergoth | mallum: cool! |
| 18:07.42 | mallum | kergoth: see scap for shots |
| 18:08.23 | mallum | kergoth: all I need is to add xchat, then c700 has everything I need - X, terms, irc and browser :-) |
| 18:08.43 | kergoth | i'm an irssi guy myself |
| 18:08.44 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:08.46 | kergoth | how large is minimo? |
| 18:09.10 | file[bed] | where is minimo? |
| 18:09.28 | Neonym | silly newby question alert: is there a better place to ask some questions about getting any linux distro running on a particular embedded system? I'm using a board called a MAX-PC from a company in Germany called Sorcus. Its a 100 mhz 486 with 16mb flash (no bios) on a board the size of a sugar packet. |
| 18:11.28 | mallum | kergoth: 15MB currently ! apparently its meant to be 8MB I think I've included alot of uneeded stuff |
| 18:11.53 | mallum | kergoth: needs approx 15Mb to run in too |
| 18:12.05 | mallum | file[bed]: hh.org/~mallum/minimo/ |
| 18:12.17 | kergoth | mallum: damn.. well, since most people have decent size media cards, thats still damn cool |
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| 18:12.28 | kergoth | it could get down to 8mb? thatd be smooth |
| 18:13.03 | mallum | kergoth: yeah I think so, I got in touch with the developer and he pointed out a few things to get it smaller |
| 18:13.24 | mallum | kergoth: I have to get it x-compiling so I dont have to wait 12+ hrs for builds on my arm machine |
| 18:13.31 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:13.32 | file[bed] | mallum: unfortunately that site does not work |
| 18:13.39 | kergoth | i hate building anything based on moz |
| 18:13.40 | kergoth | takes ages |
| 18:13.41 | file[bed] | for me. |
| 18:13.51 | file[bed] | I stay away from Mozilla... |
| 18:14.37 | mallum | file[bed]: http://handhelds.org/~mallum/minimo/ |
| 18:14.42 | file[bed] | merci |
| 18:14.58 | mallum | file[bed]: hh.org = handhelds.org |
| 18:15.06 | mallum | file[bed]: for future reference |
| 18:15.36 | Neonym | nice cats.... |
| 18:15.59 | mallum | Neonym: thanks, and they _were_ harmed during the making of the website |
| 18:16.37 | Neonym | hmm.... ARM only? |
| 18:20.59 | Neonym | since I have no method of writing something to flash other than via the JTAG interface: does it matter what JTAG parallel cable I use or are they processor/platform specific? |
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| 18:32.50 | file[mydesk] | andersee: Greetings |
| 18:32.58 | Neonym | hmm.... I guess this wasn't a place to ask questions like that.... anyone got any suggestions of where else might be useful? |
| 18:34.14 | kergoth | Neonym: lack of response doesnt indicate that this was the wrong place to ask. |
| 18:34.28 | kergoth | Neonym: it could indicate those here dont know the answer, or those that know arent available, or both |
| 18:34.39 | Neonym | true.... |
| 18:35.13 | Neonym | so far it seems the most topical so I'll hang around and see if things change latter..... |
| 18:35.46 | file[mydesk] | Neonym: we're all chilling out after being betrayed by Broadcom, Linksys, and other companies (no - not really, I'm making the chilling out part up) |
| 18:36.06 | Neonym | betrayed? |
| 18:36.52 | CosmicPenguin | file[mydesk]: betrayed is a strong word |
| 18:37.19 | andersee | file[mydesk]: morning. Or noon rather... |
| 18:37.23 | file[mydesk] | CosmicPenguin: quite right |
| 18:40.35 | Neonym | so how did they 'betray' you? |
| 18:41.39 | file[mydesk] | let me see if I have 'da url |
| 18:42.16 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: power come back on then? |
| 18:42.18 | file[mydesk] | IE is stupid, it sometimes remembers history - then othertimes not |
| 18:42.36 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: there was a tornado in Payson, did you hear that? |
| 18:42.38 | file[mydesk] | Neonym: basically used GPL stuff without saying it/making source available |
| 18:43.15 | file[mydesk] | belkin did it too... and another company... they used Linux on some of their routers... |
| 18:43.29 | jnork | So they violated the terms of the GPL, is what you're saying? |
| 18:44.04 | file[mydesk] | Vincent Price! |
| 18:45.55 | Neonym | ahhh....got it.... |
| 18:47.21 | Neonym | that's something that's bothered me for a while: as a community do we have someone with the muscle and motivation to actually file suit in cases like that? |
| 18:47.50 | file[mydesk] | Neonym: andersee's product was put in the routers, his dad's a really good lawyer, mmm... lawsuit |
| 18:55.25 | andersee | file[mydesk]: one of the infringing routers is the Belkin one. Curiously enough, back in the early 80s my dad was the corporate attorney for a company (Crouse Hinds) that sold off Belkin. So he used to be their law dept. ;-) |
| 18:55.57 | file[mydesk] | andersee: nifty |
| 18:56.24 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: is that a problem? Can they get him dismissed for that? |
| 18:56.34 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: Way too far back |
| 18:56.39 | CosmicPenguin | sweet |
| 18:57.18 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: Crouse Hinds eh? Is that my long lost family business? :-) |
| 18:57.24 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: If you trace the ancestry back far enough, all companies probably have the same ancestor a few million years a ago. Probably a monkey. |
| 18:57.30 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: heh |
| 19:00.26 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: so the monkey is where managment came from |
| 19:00.30 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: I get it! |
| 19:01.03 | Neonym | it had to a monkey with pointy hair.... |
| 19:01.18 | CosmicPenguin | Anyone here good with statistics? |
| 19:02.00 | CosmicPenguin | nm - I found a web page |
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| 19:13.26 | fontenot | i wonder if we couldn't make our own cramfs images and run them on the linksys et al routers |
| 19:14.06 | fontenot | hmm tho no kernel source :-\ |
| 19:17.37 | andersee | fontenot: one person I exchanged emails with tried it on the Linksys. It refused to load the modified cramfs. There are 60 bytes of crap prior to the kernel in their rom -- an embedded checksum? |
| 19:18.12 | andersee | fontenot: or it could be he just screwed it up and updated the firmware wrong... |
| 19:23.52 | Neonym | :assumes you update the firmware via something like tftp? |
| 19:23.57 | fontenot | andersee: hmm yeah there very well might bea checksum - need multiple images to try to infer |
| 19:25.15 | fontenot | hopefully it's not a RSA signature |
| 19:31.22 | fontenot | ibot: test |
| 19:31.23 | | Passed |
| 20:03.45 | TimRiker | ~test |
| 20:03.46 | | Failed |
| 20:04.05 | paq | ibot: test |
| 20:04.06 | | Failed |
| 20:04.11 | paq | ..? |
| 20:05.04 | TimRiker | ~literal test |
| 20:05.06 | | test is <reply>Passed||<reply>Failed |
| 20:05.22 | paq | ibot: test |
| 20:05.22 | | Passed |
| 20:05.25 | paq | yay |
| 20:05.29 | jnork | Statistics? 4 out of 5 sysadmins agree that I suck at statistics. |
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| 20:26.25 | andersee | jnork: did you ever wonder about that 1 dentist out of 5 that apparently recommends sugary gum for his patients that chew gum? |
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| 20:34.07 | DCipher | Hi All |
| 20:43.33 | jnork | andersee: Heh, yeah |
| 20:43.55 | jnork | Of course, it's possible that he or she simply doesn't recommend Trident. |
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| 21:02.08 | Russ | I just got back from getting my dental xrays done via usb |
| 21:02.47 | file | lol |
| 21:02.54 | andersee | Russ: did your dentist recomment sugarless gum? |
| 21:03.07 | Russ | he didn't mention gum |
| 21:06.44 | mallum | Neonym: yes ARM or powerpc Im afraid :/ |
| 21:07.28 | kergoth | mallum: might be nice for old x86 boxes with limited resources, eh? |
| 21:15.50 | mallum | kergoth: x86? thats from the dark ages dudeo ;-) |
| 21:15.58 | kergoth | mallum: :) |
| 21:16.18 | mallum | kergoth: yeah I'll make one, next time I run a build |
| 21:16.25 | mallum | kergoth: at least there it wont take ages |
| 21:24.50 | Neonym | this one isn't that limited... its just not a standard PC motherboard.... (no bios, no floppy, no standard bus) |
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| 21:36.20 | jacques | does usb have enough power to do xrays ? |
| 21:37.33 | Neonym | xrays? as in run an xray generator? I really doubt it..... |
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| 21:41.12 | Russ | no, the usb thing just captured the image |
| 21:41.17 | Russ | instead of xray film |
| 21:42.49 | Neonym | I think there are xray capable CCD cameras.... |
| 21:47.05 | chouimat | back |
| 21:50.04 | chouimat | kergoth: I have a very good news |
| 21:51.30 | kergoth | chouimat: what news? |
| 21:53.00 | chouimat | kergoth: I keep the right of the application |
| 21:53.10 | kergoth | chouimat: nice |
| 21:53.41 | chouimat | kergoth: but I won't get any money from the liquidation |
| 21:53.46 | jacques | yeah I figured it was something like that :-) |
| 21:53.53 | chouimat | jacques: ?? |
| 21:54.13 | kergoth | chouimat: scroll up |
| 21:54.40 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: look only 100 cad out of 10 000 |
| 21:55.27 | jacques | chouimat: sorry was a delayed reply to Russ |
| 21:55.44 | chouimat | jacques: ok I figured outt :) |
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| 22:08.41 | Russ | 'Number of Hours in Drive Life: 749 (life of the drive in hours)' |
| 22:08.45 | Russ | wonder how accurate that is |
| 22:16.28 | jacques | SMART ? |
| 22:47.44 | Russ | ya |
| 22:59.51 | jacques | some drives count in minutes instead of hours |
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| 23:51.28 | file | chouimat: pick up anything good? |
| 23:53.24 | chouimat | file: choucroute |
| 23:53.52 | file | ...okay |
| 23:59.24 | chouimat | and hotdogs |