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| 00:58.07 | file[myroom] | chouimat|away: you concious? |
| 01:02.27 | chouimat | yup |
| 01:02.52 | file[myroom] | chouimat: if I hyperwallet you some $$$ will you send that HD Express? |
| 01:06.48 | chouimat | I will send the hdd this week, I will try tomorrow if I have a chance |
| 01:07.18 | file[myroom] | chouimat: yeah it's just I'd like it by Thursday... and Xpresspost is REALLY fast... |
| 01:08.07 | chouimat | file[myroom]: I know ... |
| 01:08.32 | file[myroom] | except when I sent a CD, the jewel case was broken and the corners of the letter were missing |
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| 15:01.19 | *** topic/#elinux is Embedded Linux || http://eLinux.org/ || cross compile, uClibc, busybox, tinylogin, handhelds, post-sale linux installs ;-), etc. || debian-handheld list is up. |
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| 15:02.39 | CosmicPenguin | Everyone loves dremels |
| 15:02.54 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: I used a small hacksaw |
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| 15:11.58 | chouimat | morning sieve |
| 15:12.00 | sieve | morning all |
| 16:05.37 | CosmicPenguin | Soo... has anyone seen Finding Nemo yet? |
| 16:07.11 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: saw it saturday |
| 16:08.13 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: pretty damn good, huh? |
| 16:08.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya was pretty good |
| 16:12.33 | MornWork | re's |
| 16:12.45 | MornWork | Shrek is great |
| 16:12.55 | MornWork | CosmicPenguin: did you enjoy Lilo and Stitch? |
| 16:13.22 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i took my son |
| 16:14.42 | CosmicPenguin | MornWork: not at all |
| 16:14.59 | MornWork | really? I loved it |
| 16:15.07 | MornWork | I've watched it several times |
| 16:15.15 | MornWork | the whole Elvis sub-theme was hysterical |
| 16:15.40 | CosmicPenguin | MornWork: I don't know why - I've seen a couple of the regular Disney animated movies, and they just wern't very good. The Emperors New Groove was OK, I guess.... |
| 16:16.35 | MornWork | Oh, this is funny |
| 16:16.42 | MornWork | I got a new GPS this weekend for my iPAQ |
| 16:16.44 | MornWork | it's spiffy |
| 16:16.54 | MornWork | except it chided me for making an illegal UTurn |
| 16:17.11 | CosmicPenguin | Really? What did it say? |
| 16:17.16 | CosmicPenguin | And how did it know that it was illegal? |
| 16:17.35 | MornWork | it said "You made an illegal UTurn!" |
| 16:17.44 | MornWork | I guess because I turned in the middle of a side street |
| 16:17.48 | MornWork | not at an intersection |
| 16:18.26 | CosmicPenguin | Thats wierd |
| 16:18.45 | MornWork | the software is really cool though |
| 16:18.56 | MornWork | it speaks directions, auto re-routes, gives ETA's |
| 16:19.05 | MornWork | it auto sizes based on speed |
| 16:19.10 | MornWork | it auto-orients |
| 16:19.19 | MornWork | eons ahead of the Pocket Streets |
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| 16:38.14 | prpplague | Mon Jun 9 11:36:58 CDT 2003 abcsd: *ERROR* stupidity level at critical level |
| 16:39.31 | prpplague | chouimat: thanks, but i'm on a diet, just coffee and altoids |
| 16:40.06 | chouimat | prpplague: ok i won't send you the recipe of my lunch then :) |
| 16:41.57 | prpplague | lol |
| 16:43.13 | chouimat | prpplague: chicken, salami, diced tomatoes, cheeses, ramen soup |
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| 17:41.31 | chouimat|bored | yup |
| 17:42.12 | file[myroom] | chouimat|bored: waddup? |
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| 18:04.31 | file | chouimat|bored: what's up... yeah.. nothing lol |
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| 18:08.57 | paq | yo. |
| 18:12.36 | file | cosmic_errands: evil |
| 18:15.13 | chouimat|bored | file: I think I will go out |
| 18:18.18 | file | chouimat|bored: where? |
| 18:20.40 | chouimat|bored | outside for the 10 minutes that I will have sun this afternoon |
| 18:21.52 | file | lol |
| 18:31.52 | chouimat|bored | prpplague: ping |
| 18:32.14 | prpplague | chouimat|bored: yo |
| 18:32.35 | prpplague | chouimat|bored: what up? |
| 18:32.46 | chouimat|bored | prpplague: what is the title of the electronic book you recommended me some times ago? |
| 18:33.15 | prpplague | chouimat|bored: good question, its at the house, and i don't recall the name |
| 18:33.39 | chouimat|bored | prpplague: ok .... |
| 18:33.47 | chouimat|bored | grrrr now it's raining |
| 18:34.22 | prpplague | chouimat|bored: trying to find a flight out today for barbados |
| 18:34.46 | chouimat|bored | prpplague: again? |
| 18:35.23 | prpplague | chouimat|bored: ya, generator repair man smoked the IT room saturday |
| 18:35.30 | prpplague | chouimat|bored: they are on the backup system now |
| 18:36.10 | chouimat|bored | prpplague: jerk |
| 18:37.47 | prpplague | chouimat|bored: ya well, not sure i'm going, just getting prepared |
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| 18:51.37 | Russ | andersee: you around? |
| 19:16.29 | andersee | Russ: hey |
| 19:16.46 | andersee | Russ: I'm here |
| 19:18.02 | Russ | let me know when you find firmware that contains udhcp |
| 19:18.30 | Russ | the linksys version is modified a pretty good amount |
| 19:20.39 | andersee | Russ: lemme look at the Buffalo and the Belkin firmware. |
| 19:21.01 | Russ | I'm guessing the belkin firmware contains the same modifications |
| 19:21.09 | andersee | [andersen@dillweed Buffalo]$ find -name udhcp\* |
| 19:21.09 | andersee | ./usr/sbin/udhcpd |
| 19:21.09 | andersee | ./usr/sbin/udhcpc |
| 19:21.25 | Russ | can you send me the binary? |
| 19:21.51 | andersee | [andersen@dillweed Belkin]$ find -name udhcp\* |
| 19:21.51 | andersee | ./usr/sbin/udhcpd |
| 19:21.51 | andersee | ./usr/sbin/udhcpc |
| 19:22.26 | andersee | Russ: here is the script to open up the Belkin firmware: |
| 19:22.33 | andersee | wget http://web.belkin.com/support/download/downloaddetails.asp?file_id=1256 |
| 19:22.33 | andersee | # I noticed a GZIP signature for a file name "piggy" at offset |
| 19:22.33 | andersee | # 3989 bytes from the start, suggesting we have a compressed Linux |
| 19:22.33 | andersee | # kernel |
| 19:22.34 | andersee | dd if=BELKIN_1.01.08 bs=3989 skip=1 | zcat > kernel |
| 19:22.38 | andersee | # Noticed there was a cramfs magic signature at offset 790393 |
| 19:22.40 | andersee | dd if=BELKIN_1.01.08 of=cramfs.image bs=790393 skip=1 |
| 19:22.42 | andersee | file cramfs.image |
| 19:23.05 | Russ | can you just dcc me the binary from both? |
| 19:23.11 | andersee | Russ: k |
| 19:24.29 | Russ | I meant the udhcp binary |
| 19:24.52 | Russ | I already extracted the linksys firmware |
| 19:25.38 | andersee | Russ: each binary is different... |
| 19:25.41 | andersee | $ md5sum ./Belkin/Belkin/usr/sbin/udhcpd ./Buffalo/Buffalo/usr/sbin/udhcpd ./Linksys/Linksys/usr/sbin/udhcpd |
| 19:25.41 | andersee | 7be9dab2171b5eefa57fb1ea41c4354a ./Belkin/Belkin/usr/sbin/udhcpd |
| 19:25.41 | andersee | 397d30716ad23f8a5887fd6354ffd4cb ./Buffalo/Buffalo/usr/sbin/udhcpd |
| 19:25.41 | andersee | b68a277ccab2e41ea28bc50e0e3b0968 ./Linksys/Linksys/usr/sbin/udhcpd |
| 19:26.06 | andersee | Which would you like first? |
| 19:26.19 | andersee | Or you can use those scripts I sent to extract them yourself |
| 19:26.36 | Russ | spose I'll just run the scripts |
| 19:26.41 | andersee | k |
| 19:26.46 | Russ | wouldn't want you to be in violation of the gpl... |
| 19:26.58 | andersee | I think I may have commented out the wget's |
| 19:27.47 | Russ | nope |
| 19:27.57 | andersee | BTW, the SMC 2804WBR is the first 802.11g device I have found that does _not_ violate the gpl |
| 19:28.08 | andersee | Good for them |
| 19:28.10 | Russ | ami has a linux fs too |
| 19:28.18 | Russ | they use isc dhcp though |
| 19:28.36 | Russ | (from what I can tell) |
| 19:30.34 | Russ | thats a completely different version from the linksys version (in the buffalo firmware) |
| 19:30.44 | Russ | based off 0.9.5, but also heavily modified |
| 19:31.14 | andersee | Russ: btw, it is awfully nice to have a lawyer for a dad. I recommend it. |
| 19:31.27 | Russ | sorry, my dad brokers insurance |
| 19:32.01 | andersee | ahh well |
| 19:32.10 | andersee | You should pick better next time. ;-) |
| 19:32.24 | Russ | did you find if busybox was modified at all? |
| 19:32.47 | andersee | Russ: I've not really looked too closely at that. |
| 19:34.04 | andersee | Russ: I've been trying to assess the extent to which broadcom is fradulantly distributing busybox to router makers, apparently sans gpl |
| 19:34.41 | andersee | I was really quite shocked to find how widespread the problem is for 802.11G devices |
| 19:34.41 | Russ | belkin includes yet another version of 0.9.5 modified to meet their needs |
| 19:35.22 | Russ | I'm guessing its just busybox stock though |
| 19:38.04 | andersee | I need to check that |
| 19:38.18 | andersee | For me, that is not the most important thing though |
| 19:38.38 | andersee | Whether they changed it or not, they are still breaking the law |
| 19:39.49 | Russ | I know, it just seem to violate the spirit of the GPL more when a modified binary is being distributed |
| 19:40.00 | andersee | true |
| 19:40.03 | Russ | btw, its the AMI megarac G2 (at least) that runs linux |
| 19:40.49 | Russ | it looks like an uncompressed fs |
| 19:40.56 | Russ | but I didn't bother to figure out which |
| 19:41.26 | andersee | Russ: I think I need to tweak my firewall. dcc isn't coming though |
| 19:41.30 | andersee | Russ: URL? |
| 19:42.04 | Russ | ami.com->support->tech support->megarac g2->firmware |
| 19:44.58 | file | er understands |
| 19:45.10 | file | so - Broadcom is illegally distributing busybox to makers of routers and such? |
| 19:45.37 | Russ | andersee: explain the broadcom part to me |
| 19:45.43 | andersee | file: That appears to be the case. |
| 19:46.01 | file | andersee: now that bites |
| 19:46.22 | andersee | Russ: Each of the devices has a remarkably similar Linux structure. Each uses a Broadcom chipset. |
| 19:46.38 | Russ | none of the udhcp modifications are the same |
| 19:46.58 | Russ | could be "revisions" though |
| 19:47.30 | file | andersee: are you going to seek legal action? |
| 19:47.56 | andersee | file: hell yah! |
| 19:48.05 | file | andersee: I have no doubt you'll win. |
| 19:48.21 | file | andersee: good luck |
| 19:48.28 | Russ | andersee: how do I get signed onto this legal action? |
| 19:48.30 | andersee | file: my dad is a lawyer. A very good lawyer. |
| 19:48.47 | andersee | Russ: I'll be calling my dad in a few minutes and talking to the FSF |
| 19:48.53 | Russ | can you add a phrase about not only not providing the source, but also distributing clearly modified binaries |
| 19:49.02 | andersee | Russ: can do |
| 19:49.12 | Russ | and something about how software piracy is a crime, not just a bad buisness practice |
| 19:49.39 | andersee | Russ: As for joining in. I'll certainly let you know. My dad and I need to work out the concept of damages. |
| 19:49.48 | Russ | you might contact broadcom and tell them that you are making a 802.11g router |
| 19:49.52 | Russ | see what info you can get |
| 19:50.19 | andersee | In a normal software piracy case (i.e. company X resells MS office), damages are much simpler. |
| 19:50.20 | Russ | andersee: a simple slap on the wrist certainly enourages companies to ignore the GPL until confronted |
| 19:50.27 | andersee | Russ: exactly |
| 19:50.31 | file | andersee: be sure to give us blow by blow updates. |
| 19:50.37 | andersee | file: will do |
| 19:50.59 | andersee | And Russ clearly is a partly to any lawsuit, as a co-violatee. ;-) |
| 19:51.09 | Russ | andersee: find solutions they would have used if they would have paid for them and calculate the cost for the volume of product |
| 19:51.24 | andersee | Russ: a good idea |
| 19:52.10 | file | chouimat: wb |
| 19:52.52 | andersee | Russ: The biggest think I hope to gain is to make Broadcom stop being such a bunch of assholes in their treatment of Linux |
| 19:54.05 | Russ | I think companies need to start respecting the GPL as a license not to be tampered with |
| 19:59.04 | andersee | Russ: looks like the D-Link 54G products, like the SMC products, use Intersil chipsets. No violation then from D-Link. |
| 19:59.29 | Russ | do they run their own code? |
| 19:59.45 | andersee | Russ: Not clear |
| 20:00.03 | andersee | Russ: I just extracted their firmware enough to verify that Linux was not used |
| 20:00.03 | Russ | but they don't run any GPL software |
| 20:00.33 | andersee | Russ: and to find the intersil code |
| 20:01.20 | Russ | GPL software written for linux can be used ontop of say, QNX, pretty easily |
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| 20:14.20 | CosmicPenguin | Hello again |
| 20:14.50 | Russ | 'ello |
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| 20:25.23 | andersee | Looks like Netgear is using some custom code from Brecis.com. No GPL problem there I can see. |
| 20:28.05 | Russ | good for those three companies |
| 20:30.00 | CosmicPenguin | Argh! Why is my system being such a PITA today???? |
| 20:33.20 | Russ | I don't know |
| 20:33.31 | Russ | either my promise controller, or 3rd drive died last night |
| 20:33.41 | Russ | and reiser barfed because of it |
| 20:33.53 | Russ | I need to switch my array over to ext3 in a really bad way |
| 20:37.58 | andersee | Russ: check this press release out |
| 20:38.04 | andersee | Russ: http://www.broadcom.com/cgi-bin/pr/prps.cgi?pr_id=PR030310 |
| 20:38.45 | andersee | Russ: They have kindly listed Apple, Belkin, Linksys and MELCO/Buffalo Technology... |
| 20:39.08 | Russ | apple? |
| 20:39.16 | andersee | Russ: seems so |
| 20:39.29 | andersee | Russ: Got a few to check out their "Airport Extreme"? |
| 20:39.39 | Russ | then damages should be actually fairly simple |
| 20:39.46 | andersee | I'm all revere engineering-ed out for the day |
| 20:39.50 | Russ | how much did broadcom make on the sales of GPL software? |
| 20:39.59 | Russ | I'll try it out |
| 20:41.15 | Russ | I would be suprised to find apple in violation |
| 20:41.26 | Russ | given their effort to make sure all their osx stuff is legit |
| 20:43.37 | Russ | hmmm AirPortExtremeFW504.dmg.bin: MacBinary III data with surprising version number |
| 20:43.41 | CosmicPenguin | Ok - so Mozilla and Galeon are both stuck in a state where they loop infinately creating new windows |
| 20:43.53 | Russ | fun! |
| 20:44.02 | file | killall! KILLALL! |
| 20:44.06 | CosmicPenguin | Not fun - I can't figure out why |
| 20:44.10 | CosmicPenguin | Reinstalling doesn't work |
| 20:44.13 | CosmicPenguin | It happens to all users |
| 20:44.32 | file | CosmicPenguin: now that's a noggin scratcher |
| 20:46.08 | Russ | hfsplus... |
| 20:46.57 | andersee | Russ: There was a recent kernel patch to support hfsplus.... |
| 20:47.08 | CosmicPenguin | perl /usr/lib/mozilla-1.2/mozilla-rebuild-databases.pl |
| 20:47.11 | CosmicPenguin | I don't know why, but it works |
| 20:47.13 | Russ | I have that |
| 20:47.31 | Russ | it has a partition table, so I need to figure that out |
| 20:48.51 | Russ | seems to be some XML in there |
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| 20:50.55 | Russ | VxWorks 5.4.2 Apr 10, 2003 |
| 20:51.22 | andersee | Russ: seems safe enough then |
| 20:51.36 | andersee | Russ: apple presumably has a clue wrt open source |
| 20:51.37 | Russ | a whole bunch of compressed data follows that |
| 20:53.37 | Russ | speaking of apple, I just got a bugbear.b email related to apple |
| 20:53.53 | Russ | 'Apple: Viasystems P86 samples' |
| 20:54.07 | Russ | something about a PCB stack up for the DVT |
| 20:55.36 | Russ | do you want to mail apple anyway and explain the situation since they are a broadcom customer? |
| 20:56.28 | Russ | can you send me the letters that you have sent out? |
| 20:57.31 | andersee | Russ: I just sent you a copy of the first Linksys letter |
| 20:58.44 | CosmicPenguin | signal11_: you around? |
| 20:59.48 | Russ | thanks |
| 21:00.51 | jacques | bastages |
| 21:00.59 | jacques | hi guys :-) |
| 21:01.08 | jacques | bastages = linksys |
| 21:02.26 | Russ | andersee: was that sent certified with return receipt? |
| 21:03.24 | andersee | Russ: I expect so. It was sent out by my Dad's law office, with a seperate copy mailed to me. Postmark 13 May. |
| 21:03.57 | jacques | I was on vacation for loast 9 days - what did I miss ? |
| 21:04.15 | kergoth | hey Russ, andersee, jacques |
| 21:04.18 | kergoth | whats goin on |
| 21:04.28 | Russ | they have not yet replied, have you followed up with a cease and desist? |
| 21:05.35 | jacques | hi kergoth I just got back from vacation myself |
| 21:06.11 | kergoth | jacques: have fun? |
| 21:06.17 | jacques | kergoth: I was meaning to ask you - were you playing with a Z 750 ? |
| 21:06.36 | kergoth | nope, i have a c700 personally |
| 21:06.37 | andersee | Russ: I asked my dad to do so. I have not yet received that though. And I am needing to get the Buffalo and Belkin letters sent as well. I just need to adjust the Linksys ones, then send them to my Dad so his secretary can send them out all official looking. |
| 21:06.38 | jacques | kergoth: well, it was to visit my parents, had fun with my brother tho :-) |
| 21:06.41 | kergoth | though someone in #zaurus has a c750 |
| 21:06.47 | kergoth | jacques: cool coolp |
| 21:07.02 | jacques | kergoth: I was wondering about the possibility of openZ working on a 750/760 |
| 21:07.28 | kergoth | jacques: i havent seen any sources released for those units |
| 21:07.41 | jacques | ah :-\ |
| 21:07.43 | kergoth | jacques: maybe the c700 kernel will work on them.. guess it depends how much foresight sharp had |
| 21:07.51 | jacques | nod |
| 21:08.04 | Russ | andersee: I requested 802.11g product info from broadcom |
| 21:08.41 | jacques | broadcom also = bastages |
| 21:08.45 | jacques | "=_ |
| 21:08.47 | jacques | :-) |
| 21:09.31 | andersee | kergoth: This is what Russ and I are discussing. http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0306.0/1758.html |
| 21:09.52 | Russ | have you talked to the iptables and ppp maintainers? |
| 21:10.26 | andersee | kergoth: Short summary. Linksys, Belkin, and Buffalo 802.11G products (which use the Broadcom chipset) are shipping Linux, busybox, udhcpd, etc w/o source in violation of the GPL. |
| 21:11.09 | kergoth | ack. |
| 21:13.09 | chouimat | wow |
| 21:14.03 | andersee | kergoth: I was not aware of Belkin and Buffalo till yesterday. But i had my dad (who is a lawyer) send a please-comply-or-we-will-sue note to Linksys nearly a month ago. No response. |
| 21:15.05 | jacques | holy crap I didn't know it was that bad |
| 21:15.32 | chouimat | andersee: did you really expected an answer from them? |
| 21:16.27 | Russ | andersee: have you looked at licensing for other components? |
| 21:16.32 | Russ | I think cron is BSD |
| 21:16.36 | jacques | those bastages dont even release linux drivers for their wireless hw |
| 21:16.57 | jacques | (broadcom that is) |
| 21:16.57 | Russ | I see brctl |
| 21:17.05 | Russ | jacques: the drivers are a seperate more complex issue |
| 21:17.11 | Russ | its in that binary kernel module area |
| 21:17.50 | jacques | Russ: it just bugs me that they use linux and obviously have drivers but wont release them - not saying that they must legally release them necessarily :-\ |
| 21:18.28 | Russ | there are aparently issues with the FCC and allowing people to easily modify code and transmit on various protected frequencies |
| 21:18.44 | Russ | so it'll take some work |
| 21:18.59 | andersee | Russ: I have not yet done that |
| 21:19.00 | jacques | IANAL but I *am* a ham and I think that's a red herring |
| 21:19.07 | Russ | the busybox/udhcp/other GPL software in the firmware is a more odvious issue |
| 21:19.20 | Russ | jacques: yes, but a red herring that broadcom will pay great attention to |
| 21:19.32 | jacques | yes many separate issues here - I didn't mean to get off track |
| 21:19.51 | jacques | the busybox thing mkes me very angry |
| 21:19.56 | andersee | Russ: I've been _awfully_ busy. So far i've mostly just done my usual have-the-lawyer-send-a-letter. |
| 21:20.14 | andersee | Russ: It has generally been enough... |
| 21:20.55 | andersee | Russ: But this is by far the largest case yet of GPL violation for busybox... |
| 21:22.03 | Russ | I'll contact the ipupdate authors and give them your contact info |
| 21:22.12 | andersee | Russ: thx |
| 21:22.12 | Russ | that gets one more out of the way |
| 21:22.22 | jacques | doesnt the broadcom 802.11g chip hve an ARM ore ? |
| 21:22.25 | jacques | core |
| 21:22.31 | jacques | who knows what else they are using |
| 21:22.55 | andersee | Russ: If you find any others that want to participate, should a lawsuit emerge, just point them to me. |
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| 21:37.26 | file | darn bridging software |
| 21:38.12 | Russ | ya, they included brctl too |
| 21:39.00 | file | I can't get bridging to work! |
| 21:39.21 | file | I can ping fine, but if I try to do anything like browse the web/go on AIM it just sits there :\ |
| 21:51.58 | Russ | oh |
| 21:51.58 | Russ | my |
| 21:52.00 | Russ | god |
| 21:52.02 | Russ | they are so fucked |
| 21:52.15 | Russ | they are in violation of the apsl |
| 21:52.20 | chouimat | Russ: ? |
| 21:52.39 | Russ | http://www.opensource.apple.com/apsl/ |
| 21:53.17 | chouimat | Russ: I know apsl ... who is fucked? |
| 21:54.05 | Russ | linksys |
| 21:54.45 | chouimat | Russ: :) |
| 21:55.23 | Russ | andersee: do you want me to contact apple? |
| 21:55.52 | chouimat | poor linksys |
| 22:00.37 | Russ | I'll wait on the apple contact |
| 22:10.49 | andersee | Russ: sure! |
| 22:11.45 | andersee | Russ: btw, I just forwarded you another email. My dad wants to consult with some of the FSF lawyers. |
| 22:18.29 | jacques | linksys probably thinks they are the MS of wifi |
| 22:18.40 | jacques | too big to be messed with |
| 22:19.01 | jacques | dont they have like 70-80% of the retail market ? |
| 22:21.18 | MonMotha | jacques: at least...I dont' think I've ever seen a home that had wifi and wasn't linksys |
| 22:21.21 | MonMotha | well, one netgear |
| 22:21.26 | MonMotha | (but it was an all netgear house) |
| 22:22.47 | Russ | andersee: thanks |
| 22:23.00 | jacques | MonMotha: yeah I read an article with market share numbers a few months ago - linksys was massive |
| 22:23.43 | Russ | most current GPL violations are against small compainies in asia |
| 22:23.50 | Russ | where not much can legally be done |
| 22:24.07 | Russ | linksys is a bit more visable and prosecutable |
| 22:26.46 | GPSFan | Russ: especially since linksys is part of cisco. http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/hd_031903.html |
| 22:29.00 | Russ | they are violating the imfamous 'Eric A. Young' license too |
| 22:29.06 | jacques | cisco = large highly visible target |
| 22:29.21 | chouimat | Eric A. Young license? |
| 22:30.04 | Russ | "This product includes cryptographic software written by Eric A. Young (eay@cryptsoft.com)" |
| 22:30.10 | Russ | "This product includes software developed by the OpenSSL Project for use in the OpenSSL Toolkit. (http://www.openssl.org/)." |
| 22:30.18 | chouimat | ok |
| 22:30.30 | Russ | they have to include that in any advertising materials, etc |
| 22:30.49 | Russ | that license it teh gay |
| 22:30.53 | Russ | s/it/is/ |
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| 23:00.10 | andersee | Sorry about falling off the net... |
| 23:00.25 | andersee | Thunderstorm... Power is still out. |
| 23:00.42 | Russ | ah, fun |
| 23:00.59 | Russ | we have a rackmount ups here for the rack, and I have a little ups for my computer |
| 23:02.01 | andersee | I have a ups. But I hadn't tested it since moving at the beginning of the month. I had too much stuff plugged in.... |
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| 23:14.46 | file2 | hi chouimat |
| 23:16.17 | chouimat | hi file2 |
| 23:17.15 | Russ | andersee: ok, I think I've emailed everyone except apple |
| 23:17.47 | Russ | 13 emails in all |
| 23:18.11 | andersee | Russ: cool, thx! |
| 23:18.15 | andersee | Who else? |
| 23:20.01 | Russ | ez-ipupdate |
| 23:20.07 | Russ | vixie cron |
| 23:20.18 | Russ | iptables |
| 23:20.28 | Russ | doolittle ntpclient |
| 23:20.40 | Russ | pppd/pppoecd |
| 23:20.50 | Russ | pptp |
| 23:20.56 | Russ | zebra |
| 23:21.03 | Russ | bridge-utils |
| 23:21.09 | Russ | dnsmasq |
| 23:21.18 | Russ | bpalogin |
| 23:21.24 | Russ | net-tools |
| 23:21.29 | Russ | dnrd |
| 23:21.43 | Russ | fwlogwatch |
| 23:21.57 | Russ | (udhcp, busybox, kernel) |
| 23:22.02 | Russ | and of course the apple one |
| 23:22.25 | Russ | I didn't check libraries |
| 23:22.34 | Russ | or bootloader |
| 23:23.20 | andersee | Russ: cool, thx |
| 23:24.43 | andersee | How nice. Power just came back on. |
| 23:24.47 | andersee | oops |
| 23:24.56 | andersee | Power just went back off again |
| 23:24.58 | andersee | sigh |
| 23:26.20 | jacques | :-\ |
| 23:58.34 | cosmic_away | Is anyone else seeing a large amount of spam today? |
| 23:59.52 | MonMotha | cosmic_away: I get like 4 pieces yesterday, usually only 1 or less per day |
| 23:59.57 | MonMotha | s/get/got/ |