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| 02:22.32 | sorphin | chouimat: done enough renicking? :P |
| 02:22.51 | file | oh no, sorphin has awoken... everyone go back to being dead |
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| 02:53.50 | chouimat|afk | sorphin: :-P |
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| 02:57.50 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
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| 12:32.09 | TomW | good morning all, you too sorphin.. |
| 12:36.37 | GPSFan | hi TomW: |
| 12:37.13 | TomW | hey |
| 12:37.40 | TomW | just sitting here this morning debating what to do on a rainy day. |
| 12:38.19 | GPSFan | we are into summer here, in the 80's yesterday, another nice day comming up. :) |
| 12:38.23 | TomW | I feel as if I am living in a tropical forest with all the rain that we have had in the NorthEast lately. |
| 12:39.22 | TomW | it is 55 degress, wet, not gloomy overcast, just that persistant half light. |
| 12:40.08 | GPSFan | the drought here is much relieved, still not over, but a lot better. sun's just comming up |
| 12:40.19 | TomW | I purchased a pair of those transitions lenses? I have only seen them change color once in the past 10 days! |
| 12:41.14 | TomW | I know, I know: bitch bitch bitch. We have been dry here for the past 3 years, this is the first year that we have had, what I would call, a normal year. |
| 12:41.34 | GPSFan | heehee, you need to go to a tanning saloon to try them out ;>) |
| 12:41.53 | TomW | no, put them under my UV Eprom Eraseer... |
| 12:42.24 | TomW | With my luck, they will overdose on UV an fuse themselves into solid black? |
| 12:42.59 | GPSFan | no, a tannng saloon (not salon) so you have something to do while waiting for them to change color. ;) |
| 12:43.13 | TomW | leer at the women? |
| 12:43.21 | TomW | s/leer/drool/ |
| 12:43.38 | GPSFan | hmm, that too. |
| 12:44.08 | TomW | Well, I have a POS here that I have been "evaluating"... |
| 12:44.16 | TomW | ... for a client. |
| 12:44.27 | GPSFan | going into competition with dave? |
| 12:44.57 | TomW | After tinker with the thing, checking prices on 12" touch LCD screens. I am thinking of bidding on doing his POS upgrade. |
| 12:45.08 | TomW | s/tinker/tinkering/ |
| 12:45.08 | GPSFan | cool. |
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| 12:45.54 | TomW | we are doing a total front-to-back revamp of his entire computing operation: from the customer POS to the payroll. Everything gets revamped. |
| 12:46.13 | GPSFan | speak of the devil... |
| 12:46.15 | TomW | prpplague: uhoh! The competition has showed up! |
| 12:46.20 | prpplague | TomW: lol |
| 12:46.32 | prpplague | TomW: no such thing in the dev community IMHO |
| 12:46.45 | prpplague | TomW: open source dev that is |
| 12:47.14 | TomW | prpplague: I've been messing with that POS and have been thinking of bidding on replacing the POS in all three stores: 9 units + 4 kitchen monitors. |
| 12:48.14 | TomW | EarthLCD has a 12" Touch LCD that would make a nice POS device. Not that clunky box they have but a slim screen.. |
| 12:48.54 | TomW | put a PC under the counter (ITX motherboard) and drive the VGA inputs from there and read the Touch screen with it. |
| 12:49.22 | prpplague | TomW: you could use the maxspeed maxterm units like we do |
| 12:49.29 | prpplague | TomW: extremely reliable |
| 12:50.15 | TomW | naw, I |
| 12:50.40 | prpplague | TomW: http://www.maxspeed.com/products/products.aspx?ID=83 |
| 12:50.47 | TomW | 've been using the FreeTech P-III 1.2GHz motherboards for a while, they run linux very nicely. |
| 12:50.53 | TomW | seen it. |
| 12:50.55 | prpplague | TomW: thats the one i co-developed with maxspeed |
| 12:51.18 | prpplague | TomW: ok cool, just throwing out ideas |
| 12:51.57 | TomW | Thanks, any suggestions on a touch screen LCD setup for a POS? |
| 12:53.03 | TomW | I've got a guy who is into doing a billing / payroll app. He is a database programmer and we have been talking about splitting the workload. |
| 12:54.34 | TomW | prpplague: I sent a long email to the owner of the Documentor POS company, attempting to enlist his support in my integration of his hardware into my client's operation. That was about 4 days ago.. |
| 12:55.12 | TomW | I haven't heard squat from him, so, I guess that he wants us to use his Back Oriface product or be damned. |
| 12:55.23 | prpplague | TomW: ya, thats the way it goes with these pos places |
| 12:55.53 | prpplague | TomW: they are unlikely to help ya |
| 12:56.15 | prpplague | TomW: sounds like a plan |
| 12:56.22 | TomW | prpplague: I wrote a quick Kylix app, put it on the POS device, and it ran ok. One problem they have to learn to correct is the calibration of the touchscreen. |
| 12:57.04 | TomW | that ELO touch screen is the first commercial X supported touch screen that I have tinkered with. |
| 12:57.52 | TomW | I just wish that Borland would get their act together and support ARM as well as X86 with thier Kylix. |
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| 12:58.10 | TomW | I just wish that Borland would get their act together and support ARM as well as X86 with thier Kylix. |
| 12:59.07 | prpplague | TomW: ya, we generally have it configured to re-calibrate on reboot every time, and also provide a button or keyboard function to launch the calibration tool |
| 13:00.37 | TomW | I'll use the Documentor POS to build a proof-of-concept to show the client that I am seriously interested in doing the job. They qouted him $15K for three POS + 2 kitchen monitors. I'd like a piece of that! |
| 13:01.34 | TomW | ... times three existing stores plus one additional later this year. |
| 13:02.12 | TomW | GPSFan: seems that dave is a bit unstable this morning.. |
| 13:02.47 | GPSFan | TomW: well from honduras, anyone might be unstable. |
| 13:03.10 | TomW | ah! I didn't know that he was on the road again. |
| 13:03.33 | TomW | what the fuck is he doing in Honduras? |
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| 13:03.35 | TomW | !! |
| 13:03.41 | GPSFan | that's what he said yesterday, |
| 13:03.51 | GPSFan | prpplague: you in honduras? |
| 13:03.52 | prpplague | sorry |
| 13:03.53 | TomW | prplague: what the fuck are you doing in Honduras? |
| 13:03.54 | prpplague | TomW: sorry bad net connect |
| 13:03.56 | prpplague | GPSFan: ya |
| 13:04.00 | prpplague | TomW: what did i miss? |
| 13:04.07 | TomW | I'll use the Documentor POS to build a proof-of-concept to show the client that I am seriously interested in doing the job. They qouted him $15K for three POS + 2 kitchen monitors. I'd like a piece of that! |
| 13:04.08 | GPSFan | fun,fun,fun... |
| 13:04.10 | TomW | ... times three existing stores plus one additional later this year. |
| 13:04.25 | prpplague | TomW: you gonna have hd's running in these boxes? |
| 13:04.36 | TomW | prpplague: yeah, for now. |
| 13:04.43 | prpplague | TomW: and in the future? |
| 13:05.24 | prpplague | GPSFan: they had a dual 2.2xeon, apparently went belly up |
| 13:05.32 | TomW | not sure, I was thinking of integrating the ITX mb into the base of the LCD, or going over to an ARM board on them. |
| 13:05.43 | prpplague | GPSFan: replaced it with a dual 3.06 with virtualy threads so it looks like a quad |
| 13:06.34 | prpplague | TomW: ok, just remember, these folk usually don't understand the meaning of a proper shutdown |
| 13:06.48 | TomW | prpplague: http://www.freetech.com/u.s.a/g.htm |
| 13:07.31 | TomW | that is what I have been installing, actually, they have a somewhat smaller version that I purchase. I cannot find it on their website. |
| 13:07.40 | TomW | prpplague: ya, ext3 filesystem. |
| 13:07.44 | GPSFan | prpplague: nice sounding box, hope it lasts.. |
| 13:07.44 | prpplague | TomW: so be sure and think about making things read only |
| 13:07.49 | prpplague | TomW: cost? |
| 13:08.23 | TomW | $240 delivered: case, 100W supply, motherboard. No ram, cpu or hd. |
| 13:08.37 | TomW | about $400 to build it up. |
| 13:08.44 | prpplague | TomW: you can get the 3300 with cpu and ram and cf card |
| 13:08.49 | prpplague | TomW: for $300 |
| 13:08.55 | TomW | total cost is $400 for the whole unit. |
| 13:09.29 | prpplague | TomW: iirc about $350 with hd |
| 13:09.52 | prpplague | TomW: not that i'm trying to sell ya |
| 13:09.56 | prpplague | TomW: just as a comparison |
| 13:10.33 | TomW | prpplague: we are running network cameras (ethernet) plus it will be 802.11 lan. I am uncomfortable with only 500MHz. |
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| 13:12.00 | TomW | prpplague: we will be using one of the units in the manager's office as a GP computer (KDE desktop) to run browser to order food, do payroll, post invoices, etc. That way, if a POS dies at the counter, we can take the manager's unit an press it into service. |
| 13:12.48 | TomW | prpplague: I will configure it so if a keyboard is not attached, it will run the POS, if it has a keyboard, it will run the KDE. |
| 13:13.40 | TomW | jnork: awww, no, Point Of Sale. |
| 13:13.48 | TomW | heh |
| 13:14.04 | prpplague | TomW: i know this sounds like a pain......, but, what we do is have a pic connected to the keyboard port to provide us with 6 buttons |
| 13:14.32 | TomW | for what purpose? |
| 13:14.37 | prpplague | TomW: physical buttons are kinda a backup for touch screen problems |
| 13:14.42 | jnork | TomW: I know that. Can't help my twisted sense of humour. :) |
| 13:15.29 | prpplague | TomW: we did some field studies and found alot of pos were would get into a situation where the ts became a limiting factor |
| 13:15.46 | TomW | prpplague: reliability issues? |
| 13:16.30 | GPSFan | TomW: what kind of network camera? (mfr) |
| 13:16.34 | prpplague | TomW: that, but mostly luser problems, mis configured calibration, spilled coffee, dropped bottle on the screen |
| 13:17.08 | TomW | GPSFan: ETrax based processor. I am drawing a blank on the name of the company. |
| 13:17.09 | jnork | It DOES seem like a likely high-rate failure point. |
| 13:17.35 | TomW | GPSFan: Axis |
| 13:17.40 | prpplague | TomW: the new models of the maxterm are 800mhz and perform similiar to a intel 1.6 |
| 13:17.47 | TomW | GPSFan: 10 frames per second. |
| 13:17.50 | GPSFan | TomW: axis or the one Dlink OEM's |
| 13:18.20 | TomW | prpplague: how big is the motherboard? |
| 13:18.41 | prpplague | TomW: standard itx |
| 13:18.45 | TomW | prpplague: I am thinking that I really need to incorporate the mb into the base of the LCD. |
| 13:19.04 | TomW | prpplague: run it off 12volts. |
| 13:19.09 | prpplague | TomW: ya its just an ots mb |
| 13:19.23 | prpplague | TomW: i can get you the info on the board when i get back |
| 13:19.30 | TomW | prpplague: ah, the Cyrix stuff. |
| 13:19.38 | prpplague | TomW: naw |
| 13:19.42 | prpplague | TomW: not cyrix |
| 13:19.45 | TomW | via |
| 13:19.48 | prpplague | TomW: idragon |
| 13:20.44 | prpplague | TomW: http://www.rise.com/ |
| 13:21.13 | GPSFan | prpplague: the processor in the iopener was a rise. |
| 13:21.33 | prpplague | TomW: yea maxspeed developed a nice powersupply for the board |
| 13:21.38 | prpplague | TomW: runs on 12v |
| 13:21.51 | prpplague | TomW: the ps doesn't need any cooling |
| 13:22.12 | TomW | prpplague: ya, same thing with the VIA processor. |
| 13:22.50 | TomW | I tried that VIA motherboard, it was shit. They had some real desing / stability issues! |
| 13:23.28 | prpplague | TomW: as of the first of the month we have sold almost 12k units of the maxterm 3300 |
| 13:23.39 | TomW | It ran fast enough, but the network would die on long transfers (chip would go belly-up) and the display driver (X) kept crashing. |
| 13:23.45 | prpplague | TomW: we have a failure rate of about .002% |
| 13:23.53 | TomW | hmmm |
| 13:23.54 | TomW | k |
| 13:24.16 | TomW | prpplague: I did bookmark the maxterm link. I'll keep it in mind. |
| 13:25.19 | TomW | well, I have a laptop to finish up for my Mom, then I'll tackle the POS app so I can sell my client on the idea of me doing his equipment upgrade. Then, I can start matching up hardware. |
| 13:25.58 | prpplague | TomW: fun fun, always something to do |
| 13:26.06 | prpplague | TomW: stores open in about 30 minutes |
| 13:26.08 | jnork | I love playing with hardware. |
| 13:26.20 | TomW | prpplague: plus, I have another Fire Panel in here to quote a program for. That will get me some operationg capital to do the POS stuff. |
| 13:26.40 | TomW | prpplague: heh, prayer always helps me... |
| 13:26.40 | prpplague | TomW: i just sell crack for operating capital |
| 13:26.53 | TomW | heh |
| 13:27.34 | TomW | prpplague: one fellow I know threatens to build a wireless app for crack dealers to automate their 'just in time' delivery of product... |
| 13:28.02 | jnork | *snort* |
| 13:28.09 | prpplague | TomW: lol, ya well sieve went war driving last week, our local police department had 3 ap's totally open |
| 13:28.30 | prpplague | TomW: said he even sniffed a telnet session to some federal db |
| 13:28.36 | jnork | Oh, that was you. Heh. |
| 13:28.38 | TomW | yeah, I saw. Did he "correct" the NCIC info on you? |
| 13:28.52 | prpplague | TomW: lol |
| 13:28.53 | jnork | I mean, that was sieve. |
| 13:28.54 | TomW | heh |
| 13:29.08 | jnork | I mean... I think I need more tea. |
| 13:29.14 | TomW | prpplague: or the records of your ex-wife? |
| 13:29.26 | prpplague | TomW: lol, naw not that vendictive |
| 13:29.46 | TomW | prpplague: why? I had a good hate for my ex-wife for years.... |
| 13:29.59 | prpplague | TomW: she's gonna be mad enough when the judge takes her car and gives me primary custody of my son, lol |
| 13:30.06 | TomW | prpplague: it was mutual, BTW. |
| 13:30.15 | TomW | prpplague: ow |
| 13:30.51 | prpplague | TomW: too sick to take care of him, or drive, she's got no drivers license so she doesn't need a car |
| 13:30.58 | TomW | ah |
| 13:31.42 | TomW | prpplague: later dude, I need food and get some work out of the way so I can play. |
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| 14:26.46 | prpplague | damm digi crap |
| 14:26.55 | prpplague | kp'd my server :( |
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| 14:37.53 | prpplague | ~lart kergoth for having worked at digi |
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| 15:14.10 | sieve | morning all |
| 15:44.34 | jnork | Hello. |
| 15:56.28 | chouimat | hi |
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| 17:35.14 | sieve | prpplague: busy dave? |
| 17:38.04 | prpplague | sieve: lol |
| 17:38.11 | prpplague | sieve: ya, freakin digi |
| 17:38.16 | sorphin | sieve: you wouldn't want that ;) |
| 17:38.18 | prpplague | sieve: get this |
| 17:38.40 | sorphin | chouimat|work: well, it's a holiday, and normal people (unless you work in retail) are off |
| 17:38.42 | prpplague | sieve: remember all those garabage logins we had in /var/log/messages ? |
| 17:38.52 | sieve | yea |
| 17:39.07 | sorphin | or unless you're name is Dave and you're from TX |
| 17:39.26 | prpplague | sieve: they had cables where the rats had chewed through the cable and they were shorting together |
| 17:39.38 | sieve | sorphin: yea.. I'm working too... although I have no idea why.. slow as hell today.. |
| 17:39.43 | chouimat|work | sorphin: I'm in Quebec City, the holiday was last week |
| 17:39.59 | sieve | prpplague: you've got to be shitting me |
| 17:40.05 | prpplague | sieve: weird thing is the freakin digi driver doesn't use spin locks, so, after a while the driver just gives up and causes a kernel panic |
| 17:40.07 | sorphin | chouimat|work: well, ours is today... for me, it's just a day off tho |
| 17:40.19 | sorphin | prpplague: oh lovely |
| 17:40.28 | chouimat|work | prpplague: my brother found a very good site yesterday: www.createafart.com |
| 17:40.50 | prpplague | chouimat|work: i have no need for that site, right sieve? |
| 17:41.04 | sieve | prpplague: rats huh? That's got to be fun... |
| 17:41.10 | sieve | prpplague: no shit |
| 17:41.39 | sieve | prpplague tries to kill me on a daily basis |
| 17:42.01 | sorphin | sieve: i was about to say, i'm sure dave just stinks naturally from all that beer :P |
| 17:42.15 | sieve | sorphin: you have no idea.... |
| 17:42.18 | prpplague | sorphin: no its the indian/pakastainy food |
| 17:42.19 | chouimat|work | prpplague: I found a lovely one for "You got Mail!" |
| 17:42.24 | sorphin | sieve: and i intend to keep it that way |
| 17:42.51 | sieve | sorphin: it would be in your best interest if you did keep it that way. |
| 17:43.24 | sorphin | sieve: if i ever meet him, it's gonna be in open air, and i'm bringing a very big can of air freshener and lysol :P |
| 17:43.26 | sieve | sorphin: or you could just make sure that you bring a fan.... |
| 17:44.00 | sieve | sorphin: one of thos big shop fans that move like 10000 CFM |
| 17:44.06 | sorphin | hehe |
| 17:44.13 | sorphin | sieve: be hard to get on the plane w/ it tho |
| 17:47.01 | sieve | sorphin: I could let you borrow mine.. ;) |
| 17:47.49 | sorphin | ah |
| 17:47.59 | sorphin | i still have no idea when i'm gonna be in TX |
| 17:48.11 | sorphin | stupid cisco hasn't set a firm date on the damn training |
| 17:48.22 | sorphin | maybe i'll be lucky and i'll be gone before then :P |
| 17:52.55 | sieve | sorphin: what are you going to be doing at cisco CCNA? |
| 17:54.29 | sieve | brb |
| 17:58.16 | sorphin | sieve: eh? |
| 17:58.35 | sorphin | sieve: no, it's training for backend administration of ISC (formerly VPNSC) 3.0 |
| 17:58.44 | sorphin | since it's all diff w/ 3.0 |
| 17:58.57 | sorphin | i coudl get my CCNA in a breeze, i just don't bother :P |
| 18:14.19 | prpplague | sorphin: ya thats a sucky test |
| 18:14.44 | prpplague | sorphin: the CCDA is a little more difficult because its all networking according to cisco |
| 18:15.11 | prpplague | sorphin: and yes we refer to it as Cisco Certified Dumb Ass |
| 18:16.42 | chouimat|work | prpplague: and those Certificat are useful or it's just for show? |
| 18:20.42 | prpplague | chouimat|work: well, i'm sure its useful getting your foot in the door, and probably negotiating a higher wage, but as far as practical knowledg, no |
| 18:21.03 | chouimat|work | prpplague: it's what I was thinking too |
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