| 00:43.09 | file | sorphin: you wouldn't happen to have a serial for the Linux version of Opera 7.11? |
| 00:43.25 | sorphin | file: nope, never even looked at opera |
| 00:44.17 | file | oh well |
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| 01:42.45 | file | lol |
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| 03:16.41 | glytchbinary | (: |
| 03:18.41 | kergoth | i hope you used usbnet, not usbdnet |
| 03:18.43 | kergoth | :) |
| 03:19.57 | glytchbinary | well naturally i used usbdnet |
| 03:20.01 | glytchbinary | whats the problem with it? |
| 03:20.37 | kergoth | if you're lucky it'll randomly lose connectivity |
| 03:20.43 | kergoth | if you arent, it'll randomly panic your machine. |
| 03:20.50 | glytchbinary | damnit... |
| 03:20.50 | kergoth | thanks lineo! |
| 03:20.52 | glytchbinary | (: |
| 03:20.55 | kergoth | just grab 2.4.20-rc |
| 03:20.59 | kergoth | it supports the Z in usbnet out of the box |
| 03:21.03 | glytchbinary | in a minute, i wanna play around a bit first |
| 03:21.07 | kergoth | or swipe usbnet.c from it and stuff it into 2.4.20 |
| 03:21.22 | glytchbinary | its alot easier to ssh into the z to do things instead of using the tiny keyboard |
| 03:21.30 | kergoth | yep |
| 03:21.34 | glytchbinary | but that tiny keyboard is usually alot better than on screen keyboards |
| 03:21.41 | glytchbinary | so it really has an advantage over other pda's |
| 03:22.16 | kergoth | glytchbinary: i'll have to show you the c700 when I get down there |
| 03:22.19 | kergoth | glytchbinary: its pretty smooth :) |
| 03:22.25 | glytchbinary | you got a c700? |
| 03:22.27 | glytchbinary | nice |
| 03:22.53 | glytchbinary | you know i was all wanting the 5600 instead of the 5500 because i was worried about speed, this 5000 tim let me borrow is just fine.. |
| 03:22.58 | kergoth | glytchbinary: i brought it down as a demo of OZ, since its my experience in OZ that got me hired |
| 03:23.02 | kergoth | heheh |
| 03:23.10 | glytchbinary | (: |
| 03:23.11 | kergoth | 5600 wont be much faster, if it is at all |
| 03:23.15 | glytchbinary | kergoth: what team? |
| 03:23.39 | kergoth | glytchbinary: OS group, linux development, tim's my boss (one of em anyay) |
| 03:23.46 | glytchbinary | k |
| 03:24.23 | glytchbinary | i'll be processing all of your test output with pretty scripts |
| 03:24.29 | kergoth | fun |
| 03:25.41 | glytchbinary | heh, the zuarus just went funny.... |
| 03:27.50 | glytchbinary | shucks |
| 03:28.00 | glytchbinary | no exporting the z's display to my desktop eh? (: |
| 03:29.29 | kergoth | qt/e != X |
| 03:29.44 | glytchbinary | there's got to be a way.. |
| 03:29.50 | glytchbinary | i mean, a port of qt/e to x (: |
| 03:30.25 | kergoth | uh, no. |
| 03:30.29 | kergoth | if you want qt in X, use qt/x11 |
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| 03:30.47 | kergoth | opie apps can be made to link against and run using qt/x11, on an x server, rather than on qt/e |
| 03:30.51 | kergoth | its a config option in the buildsystem. |
| 03:31.12 | glytchbinary | well i want to be able to ssh to the zaurus and display gui apps locally like x11 apps |
| 03:31.17 | glytchbinary | i'm going to investigate |
| 03:31.23 | glytchbinary | and install usbnet |
| 03:31.38 | kergoth | run apps *on* the z using hte z's gui? theres nothing mystical about that, and theres nothing network transparent about that |
| 03:32.16 | glytchbinary | no no |
| 03:32.27 | glytchbinary | ssh to zaurus, export the display back to my desktop, and run gui apps |
| 03:32.49 | kergoth | qt/e has _zero_ network transparency |
| 03:32.52 | kergoth | if you want that, install X |
| 03:32.56 | glytchbinary | shucks |
| 03:33.03 | glytchbinary | is x slower than qt/e on the z ? |
| 03:33.11 | kergoth | its not X thats the problem |
| 03:33.17 | kergoth | its having to drop numerous toolkits on top of it |
| 03:33.22 | glytchbinary | yeah... |
| 03:33.27 | glytchbinary | nevermind |
| 03:33.39 | kergoth | GPE works quite well |
| 03:34.06 | glytchbinary | can i update oz over the usb net ? instead of using a flash card |
| 03:34.18 | kergoth | you can install packages over http/ftp |
| 03:34.26 | kergoth | and OZ is simply packages, with the exception of the kernel |
| 03:34.33 | glytchbinary | alright |
| 03:34.39 | glytchbinary | i should build my kernel with usbnet too |
| 03:34.46 | glytchbinary | i dont know if usbdnet is the problem |
| 03:34.50 | glytchbinary | but things keep messing up |
| 03:37.52 | chouimat | kergoth: vnc |
| 03:40.20 | chouimat|Zzzzz | night |
| 03:40.55 | glytchbinary | and suddenly the usbnetwork doesn't work |
| 03:41.17 | glytchbinary | jeez kergoth , could have warned me about usbdnet man.. |
| 03:41.31 | chouimat|Zzzzz | glytchbinary: use usbnet |
| 03:41.38 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:41.42 | kergoth | i didnt know you were workin on it |
| 03:42.15 | glytchbinary | maybe i'll get brave and run 2.5.x ( : |
| 03:42.31 | kergoth | yeah that includes z support too |
| 03:42.38 | kergoth | 2.5 is getting usable |
| 03:42.40 | glytchbinary | you said 2.4.20 did ? |
| 03:42.47 | kergoth | 2.4.21-rc does |
| 03:42.49 | kergoth | 2.4.20 doesnt |
| 03:43.04 | kergoth | you can swipe usbnet.c from 2.4.21-rc and drop it into 2.4.20 if you dont want to run a prerelease |
| 03:43.04 | glytchbinary | i'll go for 2.5.x |
| 03:43.05 | glytchbinary | wish me luck |
| 03:43.24 | chouimat|Zzzzz | glytchbinary: bye |
| 03:43.30 | kergoth | have fun |
| 03:43.45 | glytchbinary | wow... |
| 03:43.48 | glytchbinary | a qt kernel config |
| 03:45.03 | glytchbinary | spiffy, and software suspend built in |
| 03:45.21 | glytchbinary | the swsusp project is doing a decent job of it |
| 03:45.43 | kergoth | yup |
| 03:49.46 | glytchbinary | after this i need to get irda working with it on my laptop so i can network over that |
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| 04:52.37 | TomW | yawn |
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| 13:56.43 | TomW | morning all |
| 14:00.08 | GPSFan | hi TomW: |
| 14:00.20 | TomW | GM OM |
| 14:00.56 | TomW | just doing my moring exercises: click on email, click on Dilbert... |
| 14:01.05 | TomW | s/moring/morning/ |
| 14:01.09 | GPSFan | ;>) |
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| 14:11.29 | prpplague | yikes |
| 14:12.06 | prpplague | just checked my email, apparently there was a /. post on little linux devices, i've been swampped with email regarding the tcsx-1 |
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| 14:12.53 | sieve | morning all |
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| 14:17.59 | prpplague | sjhill: hey old buddy old pal |
| 14:18.09 | prpplague | sjhill: whats cookin up at timesys? |
| 14:18.18 | sjhill | hi prpplague |
| 14:18.27 | sjhill | lots of stuff |
| 14:18.31 | sjhill | mips, gdb, sh3, sh4 |
| 14:18.52 | sjhill | *blush* i'm a code whore....oh the same of it all |
| 14:18.57 | sjhill | s/same/shame/ |
| 14:19.28 | prpplague | sjhill: ya atleast your doing something fun......server side stuff gets sooooooo boring |
| 14:21.00 | sjhill | *nod* |
| 14:21.29 | sjhill | it has been very stressful...i need this long weekend to recover |
| 14:22.05 | sjhill | my new wife just picked up a new cocker spaniel puppy yesterday....i kicked her and the puppy out of the bedroom last night...i needed sleep...no puppy whining |
| 14:22.23 | prpplague | sjhill: lol |
| 14:22.36 | prpplague | sjhill: no whinning? was that from the puppy or the wife? |
| 14:24.06 | jnork | He said "puppy whining." |
| 14:24.37 | TomW | jnork: apparently, you've never been married? |
| 14:24.49 | TomW | ;) |
| 14:24.52 | jnork | Apparently. But he DID say "puppy whining." |
| 14:25.17 | sjhill | the puppy was whining |
| 14:25.31 | sjhill | women don't whine much...nagging...that's another story |
| 14:25.31 | TomW | Anyone know of a better touch screen controller chip than the Harris ADS7846? |
| 14:25.42 | sjhill | TomW: UCB1xxx |
| 14:25.45 | sjhill | philips |
| 14:25.56 | TomW | sjhill: the ucb1200 is EOL |
| 14:26.00 | sjhill | ucb1300 |
| 14:26.04 | TomW | k |
| 14:26.14 | TomW | sjhill: thanks |
| 14:26.22 | sjhill | *nod* |
| 14:26.34 | TomW | sjhill: same programming as the 1200? |
| 14:27.03 | sjhill | TomW: http://www-us.semiconductors.philips.com/pip/UCB1300BE.html |
| 14:27.07 | sjhill | pretty much i believe |
| 14:27.15 | sjhill | linux drivers exist already |
| 14:27.35 | TomW | that is what is important! heh |
| 14:27.56 | TomW | I'm getting lazy in my old age... |
| 14:28.08 | prpplague | TomW: ya there are several TI chips that are nice |
| 14:28.16 | sjhill | http://www.hampshiretouch.com/chips.htm |
| 14:28.30 | prpplague | TomW: just need ts only? |
| 14:28.31 | sjhill | http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/productfolder.jhtml?genericPartNumber=TSC2003 |
| 14:28.40 | TomW | prpplague: yes, only ts |
| 14:28.43 | sjhill | that should make your brain mushy for a little while |
| 14:28.56 | TomW | sjhill: have to wake it up first. |
| 14:29.19 | TomW | Earl Grey is not kick starting my brain this AM |
| 14:29.39 | sjhill | TomW: the TI one is 16 tsop...nice little thing |
| 14:30.03 | sjhill | ucb1300 has audio codecs which might be overkill |
| 14:30.15 | jnork | Here, TomW, try some of mine. |
| 14:30.51 | TomW | yeah, I have no need for the codecs |
| 14:31.11 | sjhill | the hampshire one has very high resolution...but i don't know your needs |
| 14:31.24 | jnork | It's a mix of Assam and Keemun teas called Malachi McCormick's Decent Tea. Good stuff. |
| 14:31.44 | TomW | but, it will go on one of the Tux CPU cards, so I'll stick with the ucb1300 this time. I will bookmark the tsc2003 for later consideration. |
| 14:32.33 | TomW | sjhill: the problem that I always seem to have with ts controllers is the damned jitter from external electronics noise. |
| 14:32.46 | sjhill | ah |
| 14:33.19 | TomW | this time, it will be a an integrated lcd + ts. I had been using seperate units, maybe the bonding of the two is quieter? |
| 14:34.11 | TomW | thanks to Dave, I will be using the $99 special from earthlcd.com for this quickie project. |
| 14:34.21 | prpplague | TomW: np |
| 14:35.47 | TomW | prpplague: I'm going to attempt to replace that POS app today with an X app of my own. See just how the elographics ts will work with it. |
| 14:36.15 | TomW | prpplague: the company is in fits that I broke into / got a root login to the POS... |
| 14:36.38 | TomW | they thought that it was hardened against people like me. heh |
| 14:36.52 | prpplague | TomW: lol |
| 14:37.02 | jnork | Oh well... more of this for me, then. |
| 14:37.15 | TomW | .. except, they didn't password protect the lilo |
| 14:37.18 | prpplague | TomW: i found that the signature capture devices at worst buy still have the default config password on them |
| 14:37.45 | sorphin | prpplague: oh, those things are POS's literally |
| 14:38.09 | sorphin | 1/2 of them when you sign it's below the line, and one no matter what you signed it was all over the place :P |
| 14:40.41 | TomW | I see that digikey has the TI tsc2003 chip, is there a linux driver for it? |
| 14:42.46 | prpplague | TomW: i talked to rmk about that a couple months ago |
| 14:42.51 | sjhill | Hi Tim! |
| 14:43.10 | prpplague | TomW: iirc he said there was a sa based board with the drive for the 2003 chip |
| 14:43.15 | sorphin | TimRiker: you non-loyalist you ;) |
| 14:44.00 | TomW | prpplague: thanks, will check out Russell's stuff. |
| 14:44.00 | sjhill | sorphin: hey lackey |
| 14:44.14 | sorphin | TimRiker: we need to find a way to make you meeting-proof :) |
| 14:44.16 | sorphin | sjhill: lo |
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| 14:44.39 | TimRiker | sorphin: won't happen. |
| 14:44.48 | prpplague | TomW: i also think there is some info on the TI site |
| 14:46.06 | sjhill | thekernel: do you hack on the linux kernel? |
| 14:49.26 | prpplague | TomW: the ads7846 wasn't your cup of tea? lol |
| 14:50.01 | prpplague | TomW: you might think about using it if your short on time |
| 14:50.07 | TomW | no, We got it working okay under uClinux, but, I wasn't too happy with using it. |
| 14:50.19 | prpplague | TomW: ahh |
| 14:50.25 | prpplague | TomW: http://focus.ti.com/docs/apps/catalog/resources/appnoteabstract.jhtml?abstractName=sbaa070 |
| 14:50.40 | prpplague | TomW: just some good notes there on working with the sa-11x0 |
| 14:51.04 | TomW | prpplague: I have to order some stuff from Digikey & JameCo to do this project, also, I need a quickie PCB from Alberta Printed Circuits to mount the darned FPC connector. |
| 14:51.43 | prpplague | TomW: where did you find the fpc stuff? |
| 14:51.46 | TomW | fortunately, Digikey has the 0.5 mm jumper cables. |
| 14:52.02 | TomW | prpplague: various lengths up to about 10" |
| 14:52.34 | TomW | prpplague: just go to Digikey.com and inter "flat flex" into the search |
| 14:52.45 | TomW | s/inter/enter/ |
| 14:52.54 | prpplague | TomW: cool, i need some as well for the lcd's i have |
| 14:53.32 | TomW | prpplague: the connectors I got as samples from Molex, P/N: 0527462090 |
| 14:55.07 | TomW | prpplague: I'll put a 3.3v switching regulator (MAX-728 or so) on the pcb, the ts controller + the lcd connnector, then some 34 pin box headers to plug it into the Tux CPU. |
| 14:55.22 | prpplague | TomW: thats what i was about to ask |
| 14:55.30 | TomW | should be a 4" x 3" PCB |
| 14:55.41 | prpplague | TomW: no ttl for the serial port? |
| 14:55.42 | TomW | < $100 at APC |
| 14:55.58 | TomW | oh, forgot about that! yeah |
| 14:56.32 | prpplague | TomW: whats the possibility of me adding one to your order? |
| 14:56.39 | TomW | I've got 5 of the Tux units laying around here, so I'll cannabalize one of them. |
| 14:56.59 | TomW | prpplague: could do that, I'll contact you before I order the pcb |
| 14:57.05 | prpplague | TomW: ok thanks |
| 14:57.09 | TomW | np |
| 14:57.35 | prpplague | TomW: one other questions, even though you not using all the lines on the header, will you brings the connections out to solder pads? |
| 14:57.40 | mallum | hey ppl |
| 14:57.46 | TomW | I'll stick the whole thing into an aluminum minibox |
| 14:57.47 | prpplague | mallum: hey dude |
| 14:57.50 | sorphin | ah, so tomw was the tux hoarder |
| 14:57.55 | sorphin | mallum: allo mr matchbox |
| 14:57.59 | mallum | hehe |
| 14:58.08 | prpplague | mallum: hows life in the UK today? |
| 14:58.18 | mallum | yeah OK, Im off to spain in a few days |
| 14:58.38 | prpplague | TomW: or does that add too much time or cost to the board? |
| 14:58.41 | TomW | prpplague: if there is enough room, I'll bring a bunch of stuff out to a 0.1" 3M header conn. |
| 14:58.43 | prpplague | mallum: cool |
| 14:58.57 | prpplague | TomW: ok, thanks |
| 14:58.57 | mallum | I finally got my epia board working nice with the TV :-) so have been getting mb running nice as a kind of media box watching bittorrented 24 episodes :-)) |
| 14:59.10 | TomW | for $99 on that lcd, it will be a nice cheap system |
| 14:59.19 | prpplague | TomW: agreed |
| 14:59.32 | mallum | sorphin: you have xbox ? |
| 14:59.41 | sorphin | heh, $99 for an LCD eh? what res? :P |
| 14:59.44 | sorphin | mallum: indeed |
| 14:59.51 | mallum | sorphin: you have it chipped ? |
| 15:00.03 | sorphin | yup |
| 15:00.12 | TomW | prpplague: something I can show one of my current customers, he wants to add a color LCD to his product. Might as well show him something to make him drool! :) |
| 15:00.18 | mallum | sorphin: cool, I just got mine done too :-) |
| 15:00.25 | sorphin | mallum: which chip? |
| 15:00.32 | mallum | sorphin: havn't tested it yet ... what should I check out ? |
| 15:00.50 | mallum | sorphin: not sure, a man came round took it away came back a few hours later I handhed him cash |
| 15:00.56 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:01.02 | sorphin | mallum: you brits worry me ;) |
| 15:01.10 | TomW | prpplague: I was thinking of adding the J602 connector as well and the circuitry for the Tux IDE port so I can attach a 2.5" drive to it. |
| 15:01.11 | sorphin | mallum: sure your xbox still has it's internals? ;) |
| 15:01.28 | mallum | sorphin: yeah it was my of sid's friends brothers |
| 15:01.34 | prpplague | TomW: if they wanted to go into production of something what would you use? a pxa255 chip? |
| 15:01.43 | mallum | sorphin: crazy hong kong guy |
| 15:01.45 | TomW | prpplague: too bad we cannot get anymore of those Tux's, eh? |
| 15:01.55 | prpplague | TomW: ya too bad indeed |
| 15:01.58 | TomW | prpplague: pxa255? |
| 15:02.10 | prpplague | TomW: an xscale |
| 15:02.11 | mallum | sorphin: so what should I go download to play on it ? |
| 15:02.17 | TomW | prpplague: oh |
| 15:02.20 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:02.25 | sorphin | mallum: halo :P |
| 15:02.37 | prpplague | TomW: aiui the pxa255 is a good choice for replacing sa designs |
| 15:03.23 | TomW | prpplague: somewhere, somehow, I have to get a nice juicy project where I can end up with purchasing that Zephyrtronics BGA soldering station... |
| 15:03.48 | mallum | sorphin: oh yeah I heard about the halo hack thing |
| 15:03.49 | TomW | I only need $10K .. :/ |
| 15:04.00 | mallum | sorphin: you have a url ? |
| 15:04.06 | prpplague | TomW: that would be great |
| 15:04.07 | sorphin | mallum: halo hack thing? :P i jus tmeant it's a cool game |
| 15:04.35 | sorphin | TomW`work: i saw a bga hot air soldering station on ebay yesterday for $2500 or such |
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| 15:04.50 | mallum | sorphin: apparently there some hack where you can play as the baddies etc |
| 15:04.50 | prpplague | sorphin: 640x480 at earthlcd |
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| 15:05.04 | sorphin | mallum: ahh, didn't know bout that |
| 15:05.21 | sorphin | prpplague: physical size? |
| 15:05.22 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:05.51 | prpplague | sorphin: http://www.earthlcd.com/stn78.htm |
| 15:09.55 | sorphin | prpplague: neat |
| 15:10.19 | sorphin | either they take bad pics or it's a lil high contrast |
| 15:11.20 | chouimat | prpplague: nice |
| 15:13.11 | sorphin | heh, for $199 same lcd w/ the inverter etc |
| 15:14.40 | prpplague | sorphin: no the $199 is with a sbc controler |
| 15:14.48 | prpplague | sorphin: the inverter is just 5 bucks |
| 15:15.02 | sorphin | hmm |
| 15:15.16 | sorphin | saves from having to design one, unless you can hook this direct to an SA? |
| 15:15.20 | prpplague | sorphin: trust me, i've ordered several |
| 15:15.29 | prpplague | sorphin: don't need it for sa |
| 15:15.48 | sorphin | prpplague: that's what i meant |
| 15:15.55 | sorphin | that you can hook the LCD direct to the SA |
| 15:15.59 | sorphin | w/o this controller |
| 15:16.07 | prpplague | sorphin: right |
| 15:16.43 | sorphin | prpplague: and i saw they even have a doc on it |
| 15:17.25 | sorphin | prpplague: heh, ya think 94,000 is enough? :P |
| 15:18.55 | sorphin | hmm |
| 15:19.04 | chouimat | ? |
| 15:19.12 | sorphin | only Arm devices i have that don't alreayd have LCDs attached are the webpals |
| 15:20.20 | chouimat | sorphin: you don't have a schematic for a ps/2 to maple bus(dreamcast) adapter? |
| 15:21.01 | sorphin | chouimat: not on hand, but wouldn't be hard to come by prolly |
| 15:22.27 | sorphin | i didn't know the Z had a new rom out |
| 15:22.52 | chouimat | sorphin: I did a search last night and the only thing I found was a ps/2 to gamecube adapter |
| 15:22.53 | sorphin | guess it snuck by since it only showed up in /.'s devel listing |
| 15:23.13 | sorphin | chouimat: nod |
| 15:25.40 | sorphin | chouimat: umm |
| 15:26.00 | sorphin | you can get premade adapters cheap under $10 US, there's even a place in canada selling it |
| 15:26.10 | chouimat | sorphin: ok |
| 15:27.05 | chouimat | sorphin: gocybershop.ca ? |
| 15:27.11 | sorphin | yeah |
| 15:27.16 | sorphin | or liksang |
| 15:27.21 | sorphin | lik-sang even |
| 15:27.34 | sorphin | lik-sang's is $7.90 |
| 15:28.39 | sorphin | ouch |
| 15:28.45 | sorphin | at the price that gocybershop wants |
| 15:28.56 | sorphin | you'd do better just ordering from lik-sang ;p |
| 15:29.57 | chouimat | sorphin: probably |
| 15:30.19 | chouimat | sorphin: but cybershop I don't need to go thru the custom |
| 15:30.38 | sorphin | w/ lik-sang i don't either ;) |
| 15:30.56 | sorphin | poor canadians and their fees |
| 15:33.52 | chouimat | hmmm I need two ps/2 adapters, a vga box and a coder cable |
| 15:34.29 | sorphin | chouimat: 2 ps/2 adapters? |
| 15:34.34 | sorphin | it's a 2 in 1 |
| 15:34.44 | sorphin | mouse and keyboard on 1 |
| 15:34.53 | sorphin | prpplague: then cut down your beer time |
| 15:35.05 | chouimat | sorphin: lik sang sells a two pack |
| 15:35.21 | sorphin | chouimat: umm |
| 15:35.33 | sorphin | chouimat: http://www.lik-sang.com/info.php?category=29&products_id=716 |
| 15:35.40 | sorphin | that's a 2 in 1 |
| 15:36.00 | sorphin | hrm |
| 15:36.06 | prpplague | sorphin: already have, its this POS stuff and SCO conversions sucking the life and inteligence directly out of me |
| 15:36.07 | sorphin | hold up |
| 15:36.15 | sorphin | they're missnaming stuf here |
| 15:36.19 | chouimat | Two Dream Connection 2in1 can be used to connect PS/2 Mouse and PS/2 Keyboard simultaneously for perfect control. |
| 15:36.27 | sorphin | prpplague: intelligence? you? riiight |
| 15:36.46 | prpplague | sorphin: ok, then experience |
| 15:36.52 | sorphin | prpplague: ;) |
| 15:36.59 | sorphin | chouimat: bah |
| 15:37.07 | sorphin | chouimat: they misname this thing then |
| 15:37.13 | chouimat | sorphin: yup |
| 15:47.13 | pattieja | morning |
| 15:47.27 | sorphin | pattieja: allo jason |
| 15:50.46 | pattieja | anybody work with uClibc here? |
| 15:50.56 | pattieja | specifically with compiling pppd against it? |
| 15:55.27 | *** part/#elinux xrharris (~xrharris@proxyle02.ext.ti.com) |
| 15:55.35 | TimRiker | TuxScreen buildroot includes uclibc and pppd |
| 15:56.05 | TimRiker | jffs2 does not offer mmap() for files. be sure you disable that if you are on jffs2 |
| 15:58.45 | chouimat | hi tim |
| 16:03.35 | TimRiker | sorphin: url? |
| 16:04.04 | sorphin | TimRiker: http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/05/16/1213240 |
| 16:04.07 | chouimat | sorphin: sharp rom is better? |
| 16:04.26 | sorphin | chouimat: comments bout Oz crashing a lot, etc, etc, typical /. mentality |
| 16:06.09 | chouimat | sorphin: and the samme people use windows or redhat |
| 16:06.19 | sorphin | chouimat: prolly |
| 16:06.57 | chouimat | yay! I finally have 2 complete days to clean this code |
| 16:09.16 | chouimat | TimRiker: I was able to remove the dct screws by using pliers made to repair glasses |
| 16:09.33 | sorphin | chouimat: heh, i used pliars too |
| 16:09.42 | sorphin | s/pliars/pliers/ |
| 16:09.50 | sorphin | only opened 1 of my 2 |
| 16:10.16 | sorphin | TomW needs to do the flash in place of the mask rom thing :P |
| 16:10.40 | chouimat | sorphin: was long |
| 16:11.12 | sorphin | chouimat: the only long screws were the ones on the RF bypass |
| 16:12.35 | chouimat | sorphin: last night I wasn't able to sleep so I wrote a plugin to add support for inform6 to kdevelop3 |
| 16:12.48 | sorphin | chouimat: scary |
| 16:13.17 | chouimat | now you can use kdevelop to develop infocom games |
| 16:14.36 | chouimat | maybe I will spend the next 2 days and write a qtopia interpreters |
| 16:14.52 | sorphin | +u |
| 16:14.58 | chouimat | sorphin: why? |
| 16:15.12 | sorphin | chouimat: this weird stuff you're working on ;) |
| 16:15.41 | chouimat | sorphin: I think I need a better job and a girl friend .... |
| 16:16.20 | sorphin | chouimat: yup |
| 16:16.54 | pattieja | TimRiker: thanks. I was just having problems last night trying to get pppd to compile against uClibc statically |
| 16:17.19 | pattieja | gave me a whole bunch of errors about unknown symbols, etc. |
| 16:17.30 | pattieja | vfprintf and vfscanf were among them, I think |
| 16:17.41 | sorphin | uh oh |
| 16:17.44 | sorphin | there's kergoth |
| 16:17.46 | pattieja | have no idea what those are or why they would be missing |
| 16:17.48 | kergoth | morning |
| 16:17.57 | chouimat | hi kergoth |
| 16:18.11 | sorphin | kergoth: people were brutal to OZ |
| 16:18.32 | kergoth | sorphin: people are idiots |
| 16:18.54 | sorphin | kergoth: on that sharp 3.10 rom story on /. |
| 16:18.57 | sorphin | sad really |
| 16:26.55 | prpplague | kergoth: yo |
| 16:27.02 | prpplague | kergoth: are ya stressin yet? |
| 16:28.04 | kergoth | naw |
| 16:32.36 | TimRiker | pattieja: check the uclibc and pppd config in tuxscreen buildroot. It worked there last I tried. |
| 16:33.04 | pattieja | TimRiker: thanks. I'll have to take a look at that. |
| 16:37.19 | sorphin | heh ,webpal activity, scary |
| 16:37.27 | sorphin | "3-May-2003 |
| 16:37.28 | sorphin | Made a utility to turn on and off TVout chip CHRONTEL CH7001." |
| 16:38.01 | chouimat | sorphin: cool |
| 17:15.18 | *** join/#elinux Morn (~julie@h00045a64626e.ne.client2.attbi.com) |
| 17:15.48 | sorphin | Morn: re |
| 17:17.02 | sorphin | Morn: well, looks like my whole dvd2one/dvdshrink/ic7 prob is the damn maxtor drive's i'm using doing thermal recals (damn clicking sound), cuz i did a transcode completely on one of hte usb drives (hich happens to be a WD 60G media drive (so no reca probs), and 0 glitches that i could see) |
| 17:17.51 | Morn | this would explain why I wasn't seeing the problems you were |
| 17:17.59 | Morn | though I have something odd with DVD2One myself |
| 17:18.33 | Morn | I made a DVD with TMPGEnd DVD Author, and wanted to use DVD2One to shrink it down to a single DVD, and DVD2One says there is encrypted data at 99% done. |
| 17:18.36 | Morn | very annoying |
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| 17:39.38 | sorphin | Morn: hmm |
| 17:39.48 | sorphin | Morn: btw, dvdlab 1.1 is out as is dvdmenu |
| 17:42.51 | Morn | I haven't used either of those |
| 17:43.59 | sorphin | Morn: look em up, i thikn you'll like em |
| 17:50.06 | Morn | have you tried TMPGEnc DVD Author? |
| 17:50.16 | sorphin | i have it, haven't tried it tho |
| 17:50.39 | sorphin | haven't used dvdlab either, but been following it/looked at how it looks, etc |
| 18:09.45 | sorphin | whoa |
| 18:09.53 | sorphin | TomW`work: someone is selling an EMP-30 on ebay :P |
| 18:14.56 | *** join/#elinux NotSoFishy (~lm@proxyle02.ext.ti.com) |
| 18:15.22 | sorphin | NotSoFishy: uh oh |
| 18:15.45 | sorphin | there's somethin fishy goin on around here :P |
| 18:15.50 | NotSoFishy | kergoth: howdy! Do you know a way to check the # of Ram on a Zaurus *physically*? Mine's hosed |
| 18:15.57 | kergoth | ~lart sorphin |
| 18:16.09 | kergoth | use the diagnostic menu |
| 18:16.14 | kergoth | p+d+fullreset |
| 18:16.20 | NotSoFishy | sorphin: :-) |
| 18:17.42 | NotSoFishy | kergoth: Wow, yer fast.. thanks! |
| 18:17.54 | kergoth | np |
| 18:19.25 | NotSoFishy | kergoth: back again :) i see #5)RAM and it does a r/w check.. where is the amount? |
| 18:20.16 | kergoth | doesnt show it? thats surprising. if not, the best you can do is check the amount of mem linux *thinks* exist, which of course is going to be controlled by its commandline mem= parameter |
| 18:20.21 | kergoth | brb |
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| 18:26.41 | andersen | g'day all |
| 18:29.02 | *** mode/#eLinux [+o andersee] by ChanServ |
| 18:33.31 | sjhill | it's that andersee person |
| 18:39.21 | andersee | sjhill: eeek! |
| 18:44.18 | sorphin | andersee: actually renamed this time huh? :P |
| 18:44.33 | sorphin | ~bitchslap kergoth for acting like a digi employee :P |
| 18:44.34 | | ACTION beats the sh*t out of kergoth for acting like a digi employee :P |
| 18:45.37 | andersee | sorphin: I did an 'apt-get dist-upgrade' to Debian testing, and xchat is not xchat2, and I've not configured it properly yet |
| 18:45.59 | sorphin | andersee: ah |
| 18:46.13 | andersee | s/is not/is now/ |
| 18:49.31 | NotSoFishy | kergoth: when you get a chance.. can we chat a bit? |
| 18:49.44 | sorphin | uh oh ;) |
| 18:49.55 | NotSoFishy | hey now :) |
| 18:50.04 | sjhill | kergoth: i wouldn't....he still seems fishy to me |
| 18:50.19 | sorphin | sjhill: actually i think it's a she |
| 18:50.27 | sorphin | sjhill: ;) |
| 18:50.29 | NotSoFishy | no no, don't you see the "notso"? see all innocent - and yes, it's she |
| 18:50.52 | sjhill | ah, the TI she |
| 18:51.02 | NotSoFishy | the few the proud - the very brave |
| 18:51.05 | NotSoFishy | ;) |
| 18:51.10 | NotSoFishy | just kidding |
| 18:51.26 | sorphin | NotSoFishy: well, could be worse |
| 18:51.51 | sorphin | NotSoFishy: you could be meetinged to death daily like Tim |
| 18:51.53 | sjhill | yeah, even worse you could be the mom of file *shiver* |
| 18:52.03 | chouimat|nap | ouch |
| 18:52.23 | sorphin | sjhill: file has a mom? i thought he was some canadian genetic experiment |
| 18:52.52 | chouimat|nap | sorphin: nah! the canadian genetic experiment is in Las Vegas for 3 years |
| 18:52.57 | sorphin | sjhill: either that or Eliza |
| 18:53.23 | sorphin | chouimat: ah yes, Celine, the genetic experiment gone wrong |
| 18:53.25 | NotSoFishy | sorphin: eh, it's good for him - *flex* |
| 18:53.51 | sorphin | NotSoFishy: too many meetings means less hacking :P |
| 18:54.09 | chouimat | sorphin: the problem is that Celine is the last of 14 child .... |
| 18:54.15 | NotSoFishy | sorphin: good point! |
| 18:54.41 | *** join/#elinux file (intranet@mctn1-0046.nb.aliant.net) |
| 18:54.47 | sorphin | heh |
| 18:54.49 | chouimat | hey filee :) |
| 18:54.51 | sorphin | sjhill: see what you did? |
| 18:54.59 | file | hi |
| 18:55.15 | file | chouimat: did the magic packet show up in your mail yet? |
| 18:55.23 | sorphin | sjhill: you spoke the name and it appeared :P |
| 18:56.02 | chouimat | file: nope |
| 18:56.20 | file | chouimat: did your mail come today? ;) |
| 18:56.41 | chouimat | file: yup |
| 18:57.04 | file | oh well |
| 18:57.51 | chouimat | sorphin: :) |
| 18:58.08 | chouimat | file: because Post Canada is F******* slow? |
| 18:58.45 | file | hehe |
| 18:59.07 | NotSoFishy | is it? dern, i just mailed something to canada |
| 18:59.21 | TomW`work | chouimat: Post Canada is a civil service job? |
| 18:59.58 | sorphin | anytime i get something sent *from* canada, it gets here w/ no probs w/ good speed |
| 19:00.05 | sorphin | i guess it's just intercanadian mail |
| 19:00.08 | sorphin | that's fscked |
| 19:00.20 | chouimat | sorphin: 3 to 9 days in canada |
| 19:00.28 | sorphin | TomW`work: you're on the hotseat mr walsh |
| 19:00.45 | TomW`work | sorphin: varuum, was mienst du? |
| 19:01.01 | chouimat | TomW`work: nah! they just a bunch of lazy gov employees |
| 19:01.10 | sorphin | TomW`work: non comprendre |
| 19:01.15 | TomW`work | chouimat: explains that. |
| 19:01.26 | TomW`work | sorphin: why? what do you mean? (translation) |
| 19:01.46 | sorphin | TomW`work: still waiting for you to make that flash -> dctsocket thing ;) |
| 19:01.48 | sorphin | TomW`work: btw |
| 19:01.52 | sorphin | incase you didn't see |
| 19:01.59 | sorphin | someone's selling an EMP-30 on ebay :P |
| 19:02.07 | sorphin | pricey bugger |
| 19:02.22 | TomW`work | heh, I paid over $1k for mine |
| 19:02.27 | sorphin | ah |
| 19:02.31 | TomW`work | new |
| 19:02.50 | TomW`work | all those programmers are costly |
| 19:02.51 | sorphin | TomW`work: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3416959104&category=3666 |
| 19:03.18 | sorphin | selling a TSOP56A socket module too |
| 19:04.04 | TomW`work | sorphin: the modules cost $100 per, the $525 instant purchase is a good price if someone can use the unit. |
| 19:04.35 | sorphin | +even |
| 19:04.50 | sorphin | TomW`work: so i'm back to my old idea |
| 19:04.51 | TomW`work | it comes with a dip-48 module, it will handle most of your 0.600" & 0.300" DIP parts, the TSOP stuff you have to purchase moudules. |
| 19:04.55 | sorphin | find somehting else i have w/ flash |
| 19:05.04 | sorphin | and wire to the 72 pin simm socket ken sent me |
| 19:05.22 | sorphin | the crappy thing |
| 19:05.28 | chouimat | ? |
| 19:05.31 | sorphin | is everything i have, doesn't have enough lines |
| 19:05.42 | sorphin | aka sub 8Mbit flash |
| 19:05.50 | TomW`work | yeah, me too. all the flash I have is 8 bit. |
| 19:05.55 | sorphin | 128K or 256K |
| 19:06.21 | TomW`work | I have to put an order into digikey, maybe I'll see if they have some plcc / dip 16bit flash. |
| 19:06.40 | sorphin | TomW`work: so we can use these dct's ;) |
| 19:06.45 | TomW`work | yup |
| 19:06.54 | sorphin | TomW`work: is there any way |
| 19:07.00 | TomW`work | I have paying work to do now, cannot play with DTC |
| 19:07.04 | sorphin | even tho this simm is layed out in 16bit |
| 19:07.10 | sorphin | to flash from 8bit ? |
| 19:07.46 | sorphin | i.e. still use one of these things that i have that doesn't have all the data/addr lines this amd chip does |
| 19:08.05 | sorphin | and just address this amd chip in 8bit mode (since it can do 8bit apparently) |
| 19:08.06 | TomW`work | sorphin: we could build a blob type loader to get the image from the serial port, then program it into flash. Same way we did the Tux. |
| 19:08.20 | sorphin | TomW`work: yeah |
| 19:09.11 | TomW`work | sorphin: then, all we have to do is go our seperate ways and develop the code for it and each of us has a downloader. Just a dip that plugs into the DTC with blob in it and free flash space. |
| 19:09.30 | sorphin | TomW`work: yeah |
| 19:09.55 | sorphin | TomW`work: (btw *points up at his 8bit/16bit question) :) |
| 19:10.02 | TomW`work | prolly be only 256 / 128K, but that is something to start with. You could then use it to build a loader to program the onboard DTC flash itself. |
| 19:10.14 | TomW`work | sorphin: needs to be 16 bit |
| 19:10.20 | sorphin | damn |
| 19:10.52 | sorphin | nothing i have has flash that big :P |
| 19:10.54 | TomW`work | too much trouble to use 2 eight bit devices, although it would be possible. |
| 19:11.37 | TomW`work | sorphin: you would have to take the binary, split it between odd/even numbered bytes into two seperate files and program them both. |
| 19:11.49 | sorphin | nod |
| 19:12.18 | TomW`work | My EMP-30 wouldn't allow me to gang the two devices and program them both. It is restrictive on what I can make it do. |
| 19:12.32 | sorphin | why does it *have* to be 16 bit tho? the chip is organized as 1 Mbyte of 8 bits each or 512K words of 16 bits each |
| 19:12.59 | TomW`work | check the pin that selects 8/16 bit access, how is the DTC wired? |
| 19:13.06 | sorphin | this isn't the dct |
| 19:13.14 | TomW`work | ? |
| 19:13.15 | sorphin | this 8/16bit bit is the webpal |
| 19:13.19 | TomW`work | oh |
| 19:13.41 | sorphin | the DCT will be a simpler animal :P |
| 19:13.46 | sorphin | since it's not a bloody simm |
| 19:14.08 | TomW`work | try cutting the trace that flips 8/16 bit mode. IIRC, I looked to see if I could use it as an 8 bit device, the trace you have to cut is under the IC. |
| 19:14.37 | sorphin | what signal is it? remember off hand? |
| 19:14.58 | TomW`work | sorphin: ok, so, I guess that I could make an adaptor to adapt the webpal simm over to the 42 pin dip socket for the DTC, ... |
| 19:15.12 | sorphin | umm |
| 19:15.23 | sorphin | why would you do that? |
| 19:15.38 | TomW`work | so I could use the 16 bit simm to run the DTC |
| 19:15.45 | sorphin | ah |
| 19:15.50 | TomW`work | I already can program the simms. |
| 19:15.56 | sorphin | TomW`work: but i can't :P |
| 19:16.02 | TomW`work | oh well |
| 19:16.04 | sorphin | hence why i'm doing what i'm doing |
| 19:16.04 | TomW`work | heh |
| 19:16.15 | sorphin | which brings me back to |
| 19:16.20 | sorphin | what signal is it? remember off hand? |
| 19:16.41 | sorphin | ah |
| 19:16.43 | sorphin | nevermind |
| 19:16.48 | sorphin | it's BYTE |
| 19:16.57 | sorphin | w/ the line |
| 19:17.11 | TomW`work | maybe make a PCB that has the 42 pin socket header on it, and a 72 pin socket. That way, the pcb can be plugged into the DTC boot prom socket and the simm into it's own socket of the pcb.. |
| 19:17.24 | TomW`work | that way, I can do rapid changes to the simm contents. |
| 19:17.32 | sorphin | TomW`work: ok, staying on the non dct side for a second |
| 19:17.34 | TomW`work | sorphin: yeah, BYTE |
| 19:17.45 | sorphin | TomW`work: if i flip this simm into 8 bit mode |
| 19:18.30 | sorphin | i 1/2 my data and addr lines, which is fine, for this purpose, this is prolly a stupid question |
| 19:18.38 | sorphin | it doesn't matter what mode the data was written in does it? |
| 19:18.45 | TomW`work | you know, you _can_ build your own simm programmer, I mean, you know how to program flash chips right? The algorithm and all? |
| 19:18.50 | sorphin | i.e. i write it to the simm in 8 bit mode |
| 19:18.57 | TomW`work | sorphin: you could |
| 19:19.14 | sorphin | and the webpal will still like it when it's in 16 bit mode? |
| 19:19.25 | TomW`work | sorphin: no, doesn't matter, just so that the BYTE line is set back to 16 bit mode for the DTC |
| 19:19.31 | TomW`work | or webpal. |
| 19:19.40 | sorphin | TomW`work: yeah, i could, but it's a bit overkill to build something just for these 2 simms :P |
| 19:19.40 | TomW`work | sorphin: yeah, you got it. |
| 19:19.45 | sorphin | ok |
| 19:19.46 | sorphin | good |
| 19:19.52 | sorphin | then this is doable :P |
| 19:20.21 | TomW`work | sorphin: overkill? dunno, maybe it will convince you that you needed the programmer more than the scope you purchased? |
| 19:20.22 | TomW`work | heh |
| 19:20.31 | sorphin | TomW`work: bah |
| 19:20.36 | TomW`work | lol |
| 19:20.40 | sorphin | the scope is more fun :P |
| 19:20.44 | sorphin | and more versatile |
| 19:20.49 | TomW`work | yeah, more usefull |
| 19:22.20 | chouimat | TomW`work: how much to flash a webpal simm? |
| 19:22.43 | sorphin | chouimat: generally it's free :P bill danielson will do it too *g* |
| 19:24.13 | chouimat | sorphin: or I finally build the serial port and I use gdb to flash it ... |
| 19:24.23 | sorphin | chouimat: trivial |
| 19:24.28 | sorphin | chouimat: least you can tho :P |
| 19:24.42 | sorphin | bah |
| 19:24.46 | sorphin | this sucks |
| 19:24.53 | sorphin | damn 5V flash |
| 19:25.04 | chouimat | sorphin: not enought time lately |
| 19:25.45 | sorphin | TomW`work: the device i'd be using as a piggy back flasher uses 2.7V flash, so i'd have to hijack 5V from elsewhere (or would that not be a good idea, cuz it'd feedback onto the other pins? |
| 19:28.29 | TomW`work | sorphin: you may want to use LVX logic as a voltage shifter to protect the controller that will be driving it and to translate the drive levels between the disparate +5, +2.7 & +3.3v stuff? |
| 19:28.41 | TomW`work | sorphin: 74LVXxxx |
| 19:29.04 | sorphin | hmm |
| 19:29.04 | TomW`work | sorphin: it is +5v tolerant |
| 19:29.25 | TomW`work | something like a 74LVX245 |
| 19:30.24 | TomW`work | sorphin: http://www.fairchildsemi.com/ds/74/74LVX245.pdf |
| 19:30.32 | sorphin | yup |
| 19:30.33 | sorphin | found it |
| 19:32.34 | TomW`work | sorphin: sorry, I meant LVC logic: http://rocky.digikey.com/WebLib/Texas%20Instruments/Web%20data/SN74LVC245A.pdf |
| 19:32.40 | sorphin | bah |
| 19:32.46 | TomW`work | :/ |
| 19:32.55 | chouimat | oops I have to go or I will be late to my appointment with the optometrist |
| 19:33.00 | TomW`work | ~lart tomw |
| 19:33.06 | TomW`work | heh |
| 19:33.27 | TomW`work | sorphin: there, I punished myself for you. |
| 19:33.40 | sorphin | TomW`work: no worries |
| 19:49.00 | NotSoFishy | kergoth: if/when you get back, nm, I got it!! Thanks |
| 20:06.17 | sorphin | bah |
| 20:08.18 | sorphin | stupid expresspcb |
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