| 00:00.11 | mallum | kergoth: yeah it uses that fc-lang to build some includes, Im not sure if I remember it linking to freetype but that would make sense |
| 00:00.29 | mallum | kergoth: where should usr/x11r6 go ? |
| 00:01.00 | kergoth | mallum: policy for staging is libs for the target in staging/target/lib, libs for x86 in staging/build/lib, includes in staging_dir/include |
| 00:01.09 | kergoth | mallum: build binaries in staging_dir/build/bin |
| 00:01.24 | kergoth | mallum: though i ended up having to split include into build & target as well, i'll make that a slow transition |
| 00:02.05 | kergoth`bbl | goin home |
| 00:02.07 | mallum | kergoth`bbl: okey over the weekend I'll move the X stuff to staging/target/X11R6 ? is that ok ? |
| 00:02.24 | kergoth`bbl | thatd be more appropriate, sure. again, its pretty low priority |
| 00:02.31 | kergoth`bbl | higher priority is proper packaging for atk, pango and gtk |
| 00:02.40 | mallum | kergoth`bbl: cool, thanks for sorting fontconfig |
| 00:02.43 | kergoth`bbl | we're missing common ipks for pango and atk, module ipks for pango, module ipks for gtk, etc |
| 00:02.46 | kergoth`bbl | np |
| 00:03.08 | mallum | kergoth`bbl: okey, we should get pb to look at it as he has patches for gtk stuff as well |
| 00:03.31 | kergoth`bbl | yeah, he mentioned he has scripts for it |
| 00:03.43 | mallum | kergoth`bbl: did you tell him you got it built ? |
| 00:04.20 | mallum | kergoth`bbl: I'll hassle him |
| 00:11.05 | chouimat | calice! I forgot to buy tomatoes |
| 00:11.23 | sorphin | heh |
| 00:11.47 | sorphin | chouimat: but do you have plenty of pomme de terre? |
| 00:12.01 | mallum | sorphin: so cultured |
| 00:12.07 | sorphin | mallum: what's funny |
| 00:12.16 | sorphin | is there's a place, near my gf |
| 00:12.28 | sorphin | i forget if it's some lake or something |
| 00:12.32 | sorphin | called pomme de terre |
| 00:12.38 | chouimat | sorphin: a sandwichees without tomatoes is not a sandwiches |
| 00:13.15 | sorphin | chouimat: i beg to differ |
| 00:13.31 | sorphin | it's a sandwich w/o cheese is not a sandwich |
| 00:16.07 | chouimat | sorphin: I have that ... |
| 00:16.39 | chouimat | sorphin: smoked meat, turkey, ham and hhungary salami and swiss cheese :) |
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| 01:13.01 | Russ | I hate it when you setup an email server and don't get email... |
| 01:15.58 | chouimat | Russ: ? |
| 01:16.51 | Russ | its suspensfull... |
| 01:17.05 | Russ | is your setup b0rked, or is no-one sending email |
| 01:17.08 | chouimat | russ email addy? |
| 01:17.19 | Russ | Russ.Dill@asu.edu |
| 01:17.33 | Russ | if I send email to that address, it gets forwarded to my isp, then to asu, then back to me |
| 01:17.36 | Russ | and I receive it |
| 01:17.47 | Russ | but I haven't getten email from anywhere else |
| 01:20.40 | Russ | well I got that |
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| 01:53.50 | chouimat | Russ: got my email? |
| 02:16.46 | file[bed] | chouimat: you there? |
| 02:17.34 | chouimat | yes |
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| 02:17.54 | file[bed] | chouimat: do you think the value of the Canadian dollar will go up more? |
| 02:18.28 | chouimat | look the canadian economy is going well and the us one is not so good so yes |
| 02:18.52 | file[bed] | chouimat: k, then I'm going to definately wait to buy this router |
| 02:19.30 | Russ | okie, auth requests for the entire network get forwarded to a nullident daemon |
| 02:19.33 | Russ | which says, "foobar" |
| 02:20.03 | chouimat | TomW: ping |
| 02:22.04 | chouimat | brb need more beers |
| 02:31.03 | TomW | chouimat: pong |
| 02:40.54 | chouimat | TomW: still there ... sorry needed beers any because of stupid law they can only have 2 cashers after 21h00 |
| 02:41.24 | chouimat | received the money order? |
| 02:41.59 | TomW | chouimat: so, does that mean less cashiers to handle the flood of beer drinkers at night? |
| 02:42.01 | TomW | no |
| 02:42.34 | CosmicPenguin | Sounds like a Utah style law to me |
| 02:42.44 | chouimat | TomW: yup .... and they close in about 20 minutes (can't sell alcool after 23h00 except in bar) |
| 02:43.02 | TomW | I think your envelope was stopped at the border and was searched. Then the Canadian government confiscated the money as it was destined to leave the country: bleeding the wealth out of the nation, and all that. ;) |
| 02:43.11 | chouimat | lol |
| 02:43.26 | chouimat | TomW: only being a week :) |
| 02:43.33 | TomW | must drive 'em nuts when they see money going south on them. |
| 02:44.11 | chouimat | bah! what drive nuts is people going work south .... they just need to offer more than 35 000CAD |
| 02:44.23 | TomW | I am contemplating the changes I will have to do to get my board working again under uclinux... |
| 02:44.25 | chouimat | s/drive nuts/drive them nut |
| 02:45.52 | TomW | I think that I'll have to redo that section of my website over again. Seems like a number of people have found that project, built a similar board and are trying to get them running. |
| 02:46.26 | TomW | I have no idea where they are getting the MC68EZ328 chips to do their boards with, but apparently someone is still selling them? |
| 02:46.48 | chouimat | TomW: dragonball? |
| 02:47.10 | TomW | yeah, early dragonball, not the MC68VZ328 |
| 02:47.25 | chouimat | TomW: they probably canibalized some palm |
| 02:48.16 | TomW | eh, I don't think so, it is a fine lead device and it would be a bitch to get off the board without damaging the leads, maybe they are getting the chips from a broker. |
| 02:49.00 | TomW | seems like a couple of these guys are doing this as a final project for their senior year bachelor degree or something. |
| 02:49.35 | TomW | heh, to get a good grade it has to run? |
| 02:49.48 | chouimat | depend on the teacher |
| 02:50.12 | TomW | yeah, just how low the teacher's expectations are for their students. |
| 02:50.28 | chouimat | hehe .... |
| 02:50.34 | TomW | I guess anyway |
| 02:50.49 | TomW | you did the university thing right? |
| 02:51.04 | chouimat | B. Sc. A es Informatique de Genie |
| 02:52.01 | TomW | k, so the final year was to do some kind of a project to show just how much you learned and could apply to a practical exercise, right? |
| 02:52.13 | chouimat | yup |
| 02:52.19 | TomW | k, thought so. |
| 02:52.28 | chouimat | did an Operating System and a File system |
| 02:52.49 | TomW | explains why I end up with a lot of personal email begging for help about this time of year then. |
| 02:53.11 | TomW | ... most of it hits the trash folder ... |
| 02:53.42 | TomW | I cannot be bothered solving every one else's problems, I have a mailing list for that stuff. |
| 02:54.16 | chouimat | TomW: look I designed a microkernel and I got 3 concurent thrread running on it |
| 02:54.51 | TomW | sometimes it is a challange to field some of the questions from the mailing list, or from a newsgroup, helps keep you on your toes and learn what you (I) don't know! |
| 02:55.02 | TomW | chouimat: coll |
| 02:55.05 | TomW | cool |
| 02:55.23 | chouimat | hehe ... look everything I learned was outside school |
| 02:55.45 | TomW | yeah, they are generally years behind what is being applied in the field. |
| 02:55.50 | chouimat | I did go there just to have the f****** piece of paper |
| 02:56.06 | TomW | I was programming in C years before it was offered as a language at most universities. |
| 02:56.09 | chouimat | to help me to get a better job |
| 02:57.10 | TomW | covers the ass of the Human Resources people. They can always claim that "he was well quailfied", may not have been able to think for himself, but he has the paper. |
| 02:57.26 | chouimat | TomW: I also did a project in AI 2, the teacher toldd me I did in 3 months what is research lab was trying to do for 5 years |
| 02:57.42 | TomW | heh |
| 02:58.06 | TomW | sometimes if you don't know it cannot be done, it is better that way. |
| 02:58.21 | TomW | you don't get prejudgiced beforehand. |
| 02:58.23 | chouimat | TomW: nah! I used a simplier algo |
| 02:59.35 | TomW | I did some work with compiler(s) and runtime P-Code systems when I had a lot of time on my hands once. It was amazing just how easy it really was once I broke the problem down. Some of the stuff I used years later. |
| 03:00.21 | chouimat | search the web for a given word or concept and look a thesaurus for a synonim and if the user ask for other language translate and give him every result let him sort them |
| 03:01.26 | chouimat | they were trying to find a mean to only show the most relevant item |
| 03:01.47 | TomW | I once spent weeks studying a C compiler and how it worked. It used a hierachial expression evaluator that was tree based. It really confused me for a while until I had to build a YACC to solve a problem, then I recalled that tree evaluator, then everything made sense. |
| 03:01.57 | chouimat | and I managed to get the "semantic synoniim" too |
| 03:02.09 | chouimat | hehe |
| 03:02.26 | TomW | it was cool, I had fun building my own. |
| 03:02.59 | chouimat | TomW: I don't even use that my own search engine ... too bad memories about it |
| 03:03.02 | TomW | I like this work, I can build shit and don't have to run to the lumber yard to get more nails, etc. |
| 03:03.22 | TomW | If I need a tool, I can always build it. |
| 03:04.23 | chouimat | TomW: same here ... the only thing I lovee about working home is I can work naked if I want and I can crank the volume very high when I listen to music and have a beer on lunchh hours |
| 03:04.41 | TomW | but open source is really great! I would browse the old BBS systems constantly looking for source code. Then, when I got onto the net about 10 years ago, I saw all these .tgz files. I knew they were something important. |
| 03:05.09 | TomW | it wasn't until I started using linux that I finally found out what was actually in those things. :D |
| 03:05.32 | chouimat | hehe |
| 03:05.50 | TomW | chouimat: cigars for me, who would let me sit in my under shorts, smoke a cigar and code? |
| 03:06.55 | TomW | I would go back to work for someone on a 9-5 basis, but, it would have to be for the right project. Not just to make money, I really don't need very much, but to build something cool. I would do that. |
| 03:06.57 | chouimat | being a long time since I got a nice cigar ... |
| 03:07.21 | chouimat | TomW: I need to get 26 000CAD fast to pay my student loan |
| 03:07.43 | TomW | 26 or 26,000 ? |
| 03:07.50 | chouimat | I managed to get 4,000CAD |
| 03:07.55 | TomW | ah |
| 03:08.10 | TomW | you don't need to pay it all back at once do you? |
| 03:08.21 | TomW | just this years' payment is 26K |
| 03:08.22 | TomW | ? |
| 03:08.28 | chouimat | TomW: nope only 500CAD/month |
| 03:08.41 | TomW | not bad |
| 03:09.00 | chouimat | starting in december ... but if I can pay them in less than 10 years that would be ok for me :) |
| 03:09.31 | chouimat | iis that why I applied to some job in europe and USA :) |
| 03:09.38 | TomW | I would like to go get a degree just so I can say I have one... But, who is teaching embedded systems stuff, something that I am interested in? |
| 03:10.38 | TomW | well,, I mean anyone in my area. There is not a lot of technology being taught around here. except how to run a windoze box. |
| 03:10.40 | chouimat | they removed the emebbeded courses from my BScA because they said nobody will work in that field ... damn I doing that since I finished uni |
| 03:11.14 | chouimat | TomW: and a palm is a good platform to learn :) |
| 03:11.27 | TomW | yeah! I wanted to change my career about 9 years ago because I felt that this field was dying out here in the USA. Didn |
| 03:11.29 | TomW | 't |
| 03:11.39 | TomW | happen, I am still making a good living at it. |
| 03:12.13 | TomW | Trouble is, is getting hooked up with the people that need the work done... |
| 03:12.34 | chouimat | TomW: the only thing I asked the foreign companies is to tell me even if it's negative ... I have to find a new appartment here |
| 03:13.10 | TomW | I imagine there is not much in the way of high-tech going on in Canada? |
| 03:13.16 | chouimat | and with a vacancy rate at 0.3% is hard to find one |
| 03:13.48 | chouimat | TomW: not really , I 'm tired to do unix and windows sysadmin on a per call basis |
| 03:14.11 | TomW | per call: "help!" |
| 03:14.26 | TomW | nothing long term, just "help!" |
| 03:15.01 | TomW | I keep doing my stuff, find cool things to play with, and it seems to work out for me. I make a living. |
| 03:15.26 | chouimat | TomW: yup ... I'm divorced for 3 years ... so I get call after a night of hard driking and when I got the hotest chick in the bar in my bed .... I wanted to kill the guy |
| 03:15.32 | TomW | I just refuse to do windoze! |
| 03:15.46 | chouimat | TomW: Quebec City i don't have a choice |
| 03:15.57 | TomW | I have people who ask me what I do and, as it is really hard to explain, I tell them that |
| 03:16.03 | TomW | "I do computers". |
| 03:16.17 | TomW | Well, then they want me to help fix their broken windoze box. |
| 03:16.28 | chouimat | TomW: yoou know the type of chick you works for months before by able to have her .... |
| 03:16.45 | TomW | I won't do that, I cannot take the frustration associated with working on that stuff, drives me nuts. |
| 03:17.26 | chouimat | TomW: me too ... but that seems to please the chicks :) and that telll them that I'm not an easy guy :P |
| 03:17.42 | TomW | chouimat: chick you have to work on? I don't get that desperate, if she is running some kind of game on me, I walk away. if she doesn't know what she is about, I say goodbye. |
| 03:18.41 | TomW | well, maybe the word "desperate" was too strong a word, but you got the idea, right? |
| 03:18.44 | chouimat | TomW: look I now have a reputation of being a very good lover but very hard to get in a bed ... |
| 03:18.54 | TomW | lol |
| 03:19.04 | TomW | that's a good place to be! |
| 03:19.06 | chouimat | TomW: and I love to see them working |
| 03:19.14 | TomW | heh |
| 03:19.54 | chouimat | I let them come to me and I'm very friendly with them and I don't promess anything ... |
| 03:20.10 | TomW | I went to a meeting tonite and I am / have been aware of one woman who has been studying me for a while now. I'm wondering when / if she is going to make up her mind about me. |
| 03:20.40 | TomW | I don't get anxious about that stuff anymore. |
| 03:20.42 | chouimat | is what I do |
| 03:21.09 | TomW | much more fun to talk with them and see what they are about & think than to run a game on them. |
| 03:21.21 | chouimat | and also the chicks here know when I'm in "Tonight I just want to drink" mood |
| 03:21.40 | TomW | that's nice |
| 03:22.26 | TomW | well, I am going to doodle some on the uclinux for a bit, then I am calling it a night. |
| 03:22.33 | TomW | later |
| 03:22.58 | chouimat | the best is one night I was in such a mood ... and I meet a very nice one , we talked, danced etc ... I left the bar she followed me an she took an hour before knocking at my door |
| 03:24.08 | TomW | I have to learn how to dance, one of the women I recently met at a dinner / dance / social admitted that she couldn't dance either and would like to learn. |
| 03:24.29 | chouimat | hehe, later did yoou get at ups btw? |
| 03:24.54 | TomW | I had suggested that if she was serious about it then she had a dance partner. I have to get back to her to find out if she is still interested in doing that. |
| 03:25.00 | TomW | no |
| 03:25.04 | chouimat | ok |
| 03:25.15 | TomW | sorry, been busy lately. I will though. |
| 03:25.37 | chouimat | ok do you know how much time that willl took to get here? |
| 03:26.20 | TomW | no, there was nothing in the ups site that suggest anything like a delivery time except for overnight, next day stuff. |
| 03:26.37 | chouimat | ok thanks have funn with uclinux |
| 03:26.54 | TomW | I wonder if I shouldn't just see about sending it express mail with the U.S. Post Office? |
| 03:27.17 | chouimat | TomW: that was more expensive than ups :) |
| 03:27.37 | TomW | I don't know if they offer expedited service to Canada, like an agreement with the Canadian Postal system? |
| 03:27.52 | TomW | wouldn't hurt to check . |
| 03:28.20 | chouimat | don't know ... |
| 03:28.28 | TomW | I was thinking about that DTC and how to get started hacking it. |
| 03:29.01 | chouimat | we are pestering timriker about that |
| 03:29.28 | TomW | I would guess that that 42 pin PROM is the key here. Maybe we can come up with some kind of blob loader to dump data into one of the Flash memory chips and jump to it? |
| 03:29.43 | chouimat | probably |
| 03:29.56 | chouimat | I need to read the docs |
| 03:30.11 | TomW | even if the PROM socket would need to be rewired, or hand wire a 16bit EPROM / Flash into the socket. |
| 03:30.56 | TomW | My EPROM emulator is only 8 bit. :( |
| 03:31.08 | chouimat | damn 3C outside ... bah! I going to take that walk anyway |
| 03:31.37 | TomW | cul |
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| 03:42.56 | Error403 | read(3, "ass name is determined by append"..., 4096) = 4096 |
| 03:42.57 | Error403 | :D |
| 04:12.52 | Russ | when was the last arm-kernel message? |
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| 04:50.39 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
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| 06:36.25 | Error403 | can someone PLEASE tell me how to make the kernel boot when I transfer a new kernel image to the jffs2? I transfer it replacing the old kernel to the jffs2 partition in /boot and I try booting, but it freezes after it successfully uncompresses the kernel |
| 07:18.34 | sorphin | No |
| 07:19.12 | Error403 | sorphin: I'm trying to come around to tell myself that you truly have no idea :) |
| 07:23.13 | Error403 | TAKE THAT! |
| 07:23.46 | Error403 | I tricked it to allow me to flash the kernel image area for boot even though it told me earlier it was configured to load from ramdisk, not kernel flash area |
| 07:23.47 | Error403 | :D |
| 07:24.13 | Error403 | damn, won't let me flash it though :/ |
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| 14:59.42 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:00.41 | file | hi chouimat |
| 15:01.44 | chouimat | file is occupied 24h a day ... now I'm not in it it's my cat turn to have it for himself |
| 15:02.37 | file | chouimat: that confused me |
| 15:02.59 | chouimat | file: nm |
| 15:08.46 | file | chouimat: what's up for your day? |
| 15:12.03 | chouimat | file: don't know yet maybe completing my palm os support for kdevelop3 |
| 15:13.07 | file | chouimat: evilness |
| 15:14.19 | chouimat | bah |
| 15:19.30 | file | bah |
| 15:19.36 | file | this seller won't accept Hyperwallet... darn it |
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| 15:55.40 | file | GPSFan: greetings and salutations |
| 16:03.15 | GPSFan | hi file, |
| 16:07.48 | chmat_outside | later |
| 16:07.57 | file[bed] | chmat_outside: outside?!?!?!? |
| 16:09.12 | chmat_outside | file[bed]: yup nice sun outside and I need to go buy some stuff |
| 16:09.26 | file[bed] | chmat_outside: ic |
| 17:53.44 | Error403 | boo |
| 17:54.29 | Error403 | How do I tell blob to force erase all of the ramdisk and kernel area? 'erase ramdisk' isn't clearing all of the ramdisk flash |
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| 19:41.29 | andin | heyas |
| 19:57.42 | chouimat | back |
| 19:59.55 | chouimat | nothing like drinking a nice cold beer outside when it's not too hot or too cold |
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| 20:04.53 | chouimat | TimRiker: when do you expect to release the dct stuff? |
| 20:05.46 | mallum | kergoth`bbl: ping |
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| 20:34.56 | TimRiker | is there a c800 header on the dct5000? anyone tried connecting a serial cable there? |
| 20:36.04 | Error403 | cardmgr is causing kernel oops |
| 20:36.11 | Error403 | oops, as in plural |
| 20:37.07 | legodude | wow |
| 20:37.11 | MonMotha | heh, I didn't have that problem :) |
| 20:37.11 | legodude | I missed out on dct5000 :( |
| 20:37.34 | Error403 | MonMotha: I didn't until I loaded my custom compiled kernel |
| 20:37.34 | Error403 | damn thing |
| 20:38.06 | MonMotha | Error403: you sure it's cardmgr? |
| 20:38.13 | MonMotha | TimRiker: got my DCT-5000 in front of me, hold |
| 20:38.15 | Error403 | No, I doubt it is |
| 20:38.27 | Error403 | It's probably pcmcia kernel stuff |
| 20:38.38 | MonMotha | there's J800 and J802 |
| 20:38.42 | Error403 | I think I know what the problem is |
| 20:38.59 | MonMotha | both with the same conncetor, J802 ships with a DB9 labeled RS-232 on it |
| 20:39.18 | TimRiker | MonMotha: docs mention c800 gives a boot prompt. |
| 20:39.20 | MonMotha | Error403: there was a bug I fixed a while back in the SPI stuff that caused kernel panics for me abotu 50% of the time on startup |
| 20:39.26 | MonMotha | TimRiker: k, looking |
| 20:39.29 | MonMotha | any hints on where it is on the board? |
| 20:39.41 | TimRiker | nope. just reading internal docs. |
| 20:39.47 | Error403 | MonMotha: Odd, sounds like this since it's not consistent |
| 20:39.50 | MonMotha | or is it maybe J800? |
| 20:39.56 | Error403 | MonMotha: Was the patch put in buildroot? |
| 20:40.08 | MonMotha | Error403: I don't think so |
| 20:40.14 | Error403 | So... |
| 20:40.15 | TimRiker | oh, sorry. yes J800 |
| 20:40.15 | MonMotha | TimRiker: all onnectors appear to be labeele with J |
| 20:40.21 | MonMotha | ah, that's just the other serial port header |
| 20:40.22 | MonMotha | hang on |
| 20:41.01 | MonMotha | apparently you can get it on the other one too by holding own a couple buttons (according to wiki) |
| 20:41.52 | Error403 | What's a DCT-5000? :) |
| 20:42.00 | MonMotha | a set top box with pretty nice specs |
| 20:42.02 | file | ibot: DCT-5000? |
| 20:42.03 | | file: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 20:42.05 | MonMotha | if we can get linux to run on it that is |
| 20:42.06 | file | ibot: DCT5000? |
| 20:42.07 | | rumour has it, dct5000 is http://elinux.org/wiki/DCT5000, or a high performance digital cable set top box with a MIPS cpu |
| 20:42.31 | Error403 | hmm |
| 20:42.48 | MonMotha | I really wish they had put some sort of barrier over the PSU |
| 20:42.53 | MonMotha | I hate working in systems with live, open PSUs |
| 20:43.10 | Error403 | does it have a LCD? |
| 20:43.29 | MonMotha | oh no |
| 20:43.31 | TimRiker | 9600-8-n-1 |
| 20:43.34 | MonMotha | it displays to a TV or VGA monitor |
| 20:43.38 | MonMotha | TimRiker: k, hang on |
| 20:43.41 | Error403 | yeah, that's what I figured |
| 20:43.43 | MonMotha | let me hook up a terminal emu |
| 20:47.03 | MonMotha | grrr |
| 20:47.05 | MonMotha | wrong gender |
| 20:47.21 | MonMotha | let me find a gender changer |
| 20:47.55 | Error403 | MonMotha: Woah, too much information ;) |
| 20:48.18 | MonMotha | you've never hacked together a serial cable, have you |
| 20:48.33 | Error403 | yes |
| 20:48.44 | Error403 | I'm being a smartass |
| 20:48.58 | Error403 | Actually, the one serial cable I have it severely hacked |
| 20:49.04 | Error403 | But works great :) |
| 20:49.23 | Error403 | chouimat: How often do you "use" them? ;) |
| 20:49.42 | MonMotha | it's kinda hard to break an RS-232 setup :) |
| 20:50.31 | Error403 | MonMotha: The kernel oops I'm having scrolls the same backtrace infinitely |
| 20:50.36 | Error403 | wait |
| 20:50.41 | chouimat | Error403: last time I used them that was with the product on that page: www.teledac.com (nice system based on the tms34010 |
| 20:50.43 | Error403 | or not, it just stopped after like 50 times |
| 20:52.16 | MonMotha | well, I don't have a gender changer |
| 20:52.25 | MonMotha | I guess I'll have to make one (I have a couple DB9s) |
| 20:52.35 | Error403 | Backtrace: frame pointer underflow |
| 20:52.38 | Error403 | Flags: nzcv IRQs on FIQs on Mode SVC_32 Segment user |
| 20:52.43 | chouimat | MonMotha: I can DCC one to you :P |
| 20:52.51 | MonMotha | nope that's not the bug I had Error403 |
| 20:52.58 | Error403 | :( |
| 20:53.39 | MonMotha | you know, it would be so nice if you could, because then people could actually DCC me those pizzas |
| 20:53.49 | Error403 | wait |
| 20:53.52 | chouimat | lol |
| 20:53.58 | Error403 | this is 'init' messing up |
| 20:54.03 | Error403 | at this time |
| 20:54.58 | TimRiker | hmm |
| 20:55.11 | Error403 | TimRiker: help? ;) |
| 20:55.14 | Error403 | please? :) |
| 20:55.38 | MonMotha | hum, I know I have a gender changer around here |
| 20:55.40 | MonMotha | tho it may be 25 pin |
| 20:56.11 | MonMotha | of course seeign as how it's a female DB9, it might be wired DTE instead of DCE |
| 20:56.46 | Error403 | hardware geek |
| 20:57.15 | MonMotha | I guess I could run to radio shack, the actually sell this stuff still |
| 20:57.41 | Error403 | oh, I thought they just sold Compaq computers and cell phones |
| 20:57.46 | Error403 | ;) |
| 20:57.56 | chouimat | ~lart Error403 |
| 20:58.12 | Error403 | radioshack used to be SO cool |
| 20:58.31 | Error403 | that was like.... 10 years ago |
| 20:58.40 | chouimat | yup because now they will change their name to radio scrap |
| 20:59.02 | Error403 | or compaqshithole |
| 20:59.08 | chouimat | lol |
| 20:59.09 | Error403 | :P |
| 20:59.16 | MonMotha | yeah, RS 10 years ago was decent |
| 20:59.36 | Error403 | That was when I was 8 and I was a pure hardware geek |
| 20:59.54 | Error403 | I'd love to learn that stuff again, but last time I started asking questions here about hardware, I just shunned. |
| 21:00.00 | Error403 | just got* |
| 21:00.54 | TimRiker | should be a straight through cable to a pc. |
| 21:01.15 | MonMotha | TimRiker: yeah, it's wired DTE then (which makes sense from the connector) |
| 21:01.19 | Error403 | chouimat: heh, I had a radioshack tandy ;) |
| 21:01.25 | MonMotha | I'll have to build a straight thru cable I guess |
| 21:01.42 | TimRiker | rip one off the UPS? ;-) |
| 21:01.48 | Error403 | heh |
| 21:01.58 | MonMotha | oh that's right, I do ahev a UPS now |
| 21:02.00 | MonMotha | I didn't used to have one |
| 21:02.19 | chouimat | Error403: the zx-81 was when I was 8 ... I got a coco2 2 year later and a coco3 in 1987 |
| 21:02.34 | Error403 | I mean, what the hell does it let me do? I just want like 5 minute backup power every year or so :) |
| 21:02.51 | Error403 | chouimat: coco, like coconuts? :) |
| 21:03.07 | chouimat | color computer (6809 based) |
| 21:03.30 | MonMotha | heh, I even thought about that then I'm like "naw, no ups" |
| 21:03.35 | MonMotha | hey, I have a coco2 :) |
| 21:03.55 | chouimat | MonMotha: I sstill have my coco3 (now it got 16mb of ram :) |
| 21:04.26 | Error403 | I spent like $150 on my UPS |
| 21:04.29 | MonMotha | heh, 16MB? |
| 21:04.39 | Error403 | It gives me like 2 hours of juice |
| 21:04.41 | legodude | but he needs a lot |
| 21:04.42 | Error403 | :P |
| 21:04.53 | TimRiker | k, patch uploaded, looks like it starts with 2.4.4 |
| 21:04.54 | chouimat | MonMotha: yup easy todo just google but you need a coco3 |
| 21:05.04 | TimRiker | no idea if newer ones work. |
| 21:05.05 | MonMotha | can it address that much ram? |
| 21:05.26 | TimRiker | no data on the ROM, might have to get some other bit to flash the ROM. =( |
| 21:05.28 | chouimat | MonMotha: the gime (the chips that drive the graphic in the coco) is also a MMU |
| 21:05.45 | Error403 | TimRiker: Mind helping me try to figure out where this kernel oops is coming from? :/ |
| 21:06.56 | MonMotha | TimRiker: 9600, 8N1 |
| 21:07.10 | MonMotha | I'm not seeing anything |
| 21:07.19 | MonMotha | chouimat: ah, neat |
| 21:09.17 | TimRiker | I gotta run shortly... |
| 21:09.22 | Error403 | ok, that's fine :) |
| 21:09.37 | MonMotha | hum |
| 21:09.39 | Error403 | I've got other things up my sleeve |
| 21:09.51 | MonMotha | I got the front panel to display "boot", by using the menu+info technique |
| 21:09.52 | TimRiker | I put up http://rikers.org/dct5000/mkrom |
| 21:09.55 | MonMotha | but I can't get anything on the serial port |
| 21:09.57 | TimRiker | see if that helps. ;-) |
| 21:11.22 | file | legodude: oh no |
| 21:11.49 | legodude | I should have just sent flash chips to whoever was offering to flash them for me |
| 21:12.39 | MonMotha | I think you have a different rom tim |
| 21:16.36 | MonMotha | TimRiker: out of curiosity, is the large DIP thing by Macronix different on yours? (right next to all the falsh on the main board) |
| 21:16.54 | TimRiker | MonMotha: check http://rikers.org/dct5000/mkrom/ |
| 21:17.21 | TimRiker | MonMotha: I'm reading docs, not looking at an actual unit. |
| 21:17.25 | MonMotha | ah |
| 21:18.26 | TimRiker | there looks to be a ROM in that directory. It looks like it has GPLed code in it, so I put it out there. I presume it's GPLed. |
| 21:18.39 | TimRiker | probably need a flash burner next. =( |
| 21:19.09 | chouimat | TimRiker: remove the linux-2.4.4.tar.bz2 |
| 21:20.14 | Error403 | wtf |
| 21:20.16 | Error403 | arch/arm/mach-sa1100/sa1100.o(.text.init+0x30): undefined reference to `cpufreq_init' |
| 21:20.21 | Error403 | drivers/video/video.o(.text+0x5d70): undefined reference to `cpufreq_get' |
| 21:20.33 | Error403 | where did that come from :( |
| 21:21.25 | MonMotha | TimRiker: actually, it's not even programmable...it's a mask rom |
| 21:21.34 | MonMotha | that's why I was askign if yours (if it has this loaded) was different |
| 21:21.52 | MonMotha | to load a new bootloader you'd have to replace that mask rom (or use the existing loader's chainloading functionality) |
| 21:21.54 | TimRiker | chouimat: good point. done. |
| 21:22.34 | TimRiker | MonMotha: probably need to replace the ROM with an EPROM and flash the rom image I uploaded. |
| 21:23.02 | TimRiker | someone try it and tell me what happens. I gotta go. |
| 21:25.10 | MonMotha | does Macronix give free sampleS? |
| 21:25.47 | legodude | replace your rom? |
| 21:26.13 | MonMotha | well, there's a flash equivilent of the Mask ROM |
| 21:26.19 | legodude | ja |
| 21:26.44 | MonMotha | of course, it's 3.3V so I won't be able to program it |
| 21:26.54 | MonMotha | well, actually |
| 21:27.00 | legodude | why not do a socket? |
| 21:27.02 | MonMotha | I think my entire burner I'm making can run at 3.3V |
| 21:27.11 | MonMotha | it's socketed |
| 21:27.15 | legodude | ah |
| 21:27.16 | MonMotha | but they ship it with a mask rom |
| 21:27.21 | MonMotha | which is obviously not reprogramable |
| 21:27.26 | legodude | ja |
| 21:28.26 | MonMotha | the person who identified the ROM in the first place noted that there's a flash equivilent |
| 21:28.42 | MonMotha | it's 16 bits wide and 3.3V tho, which means a lot of people wont' be able to program it |
| 21:28.43 | MonMotha | I may |
| 21:28.59 | MonMotha | if I ever get this damn flash burner done (I'm actually building it right now) |
| 21:29.15 | Error403 | How in the world do you build one? :) |
| 21:29.35 | legodude | give little green pieces of paper to the right people :P |
| 21:29.43 | MonMotha | Error403: a crapload of flip flops to expand the 8 bit parallel port into the insane number of IO lines you need |
| 21:29.55 | Error403 | riiiight ;) |
| 21:30.14 | MonMotha | I think I've got 7 74574s on this thing and I only have 16 bit data support |
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| 21:30.27 | MonMotha | if I wanted 32 bit I'd need another 2 74574s and another 2 74541s or similar |
| 21:30.56 | MonMotha | which I actually have and may add on |
| 21:31.00 | MonMotha | that would be pretty insane tho |
| 21:31.11 | MonMotha | 32 wires running around for data and 24 more for addressing |
| 21:31.20 | Error403 | hehehe |
| 21:31.51 | Error403 | what is a 74574s? |
| 21:32.05 | Error403 | :) |
| 21:32.06 | legodude | Error403: I take it you don't do hardware? :P |
| 21:32.08 | MonMotha | thing has a normal DIP socket on it and a 16 bit ISA header (it's actually ISA enough that many cards should be possible to make work!) for you to make your own adapters (for things like the webpal flash SIMM) |
| 21:32.15 | MonMotha | Error403: 8 bit flip-flop |
| 21:32.21 | MonMotha | 74 series glue logic is your friend :) |
| 21:32.26 | Error403 | legodude: No, I don't, but I've always loved it. I used to only do hardware when I was a kid. |
| 21:32.40 | MonMotha | the whole burner is made of 74 series glue logic, some resistors, a few bypass caps, and a couple diodes |
| 21:32.44 | MonMotha | oh, and a dip switch |
| 21:32.53 | legodude | how do you interface it? |
| 21:32.57 | legodude | changable sockets? |
| 21:33.55 | MonMotha | you build a "card" that maps the pins you need from the oddball, ISA-like connector to the socket of your choice |
| 21:34.03 | MonMotha | so basically it's a board with an edge connector and the socket |
| 21:34.11 | MonMotha | and any other supporting hardware you need |
| 21:34.26 | legodude | ah |
| 21:35.10 | MonMotha | legodude: I'm directly interfacing to the ROM device |
| 21:35.15 | MonMotha | JTAG relies on talking to a uP first |
| 21:35.16 | legodude | ja |
| 21:35.20 | legodude | I know |
| 21:35.35 | MonMotha | my way is also a hell of a lot faster (or should be) |
| 21:35.36 | MonMotha | EPP pport |
| 21:36.05 | MonMotha | just do 3 transfers for your address, 1, 2, or 4 for your data, then like three more to wiggle the control lines (it's all done in software) |
| 21:36.21 | MonMotha | I debated doing it in hardware, but I figured that I could sacrifice speed in favor of being able to talk to just about anything |
| 21:36.27 | MonMotha | basically, it's a big-ass IO expander |
| 21:43.30 | legodude | heheh |
| 21:43.30 | legodude | me too |
| 21:47.22 | chouimat | but I can do any hardware work here ... my cat would love to play with the 74's .... |
| 21:47.30 | chouimat | s/can/can't |
| 21:48.21 | legodude | get rid of the cat? |
| 21:48.56 | chouimat | legodude: nah! that the only living thing that really love me so ... |
| 21:49.08 | chouimat | ibot seen kergoth |
| 21:49.08 | | kergoth <~kergoth@dsl081-228-056.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 21h 47m 26s ago, saying: 'treke: I run the project, i dont have to prove a damn thing :)'. |
| 21:55.15 | legodude | haha |
| 21:55.16 | legodude | I hear ya |
| 21:55.28 | legodude | I feel the same way about my rat and newt sometimes |
| 21:55.28 | chouimat | ? |
| 21:56.20 | chouimat | he's currently sleeping on my desk near me ... he alway sleep there when I work |
| 21:57.11 | Error403 | heh, my cats are always in the same room as me, it's cute |
| 21:57.26 | Error403 | they knock on the bathroom door when I'm in there :) |
| 21:57.31 | legodude | my ducks get upset if I go too far from them |
| 21:57.42 | chouimat | Error403: you too .... |
| 21:57.48 | Error403 | ducks? that's got to be chaos |
| 21:58.00 | legodude | people say we run a farm here |
| 21:58.39 | Error403 | well, seems you do :) |
| 21:58.51 | Error403 | rat, newt, and ducks |
| 21:58.53 | legodude | right now it's hamster, newt, 4ducks, 2 rats, rabbit, frog, assorted fist |
| 21:58.55 | legodude | fish |
| 21:59.03 | legodude | we used to have more |
| 21:59.11 | Error403 | heh |
| 21:59.42 | Error403 | heh, my tuxscreen interferes with my radio |
| 21:59.48 | Error403 | and it's a pretty powerful radio |
| 21:59.56 | legodude | that's run |
| 21:59.57 | legodude | fun |
| 22:00.04 | legodude | you running tux in it's case? |
| 22:00.12 | Error403 | yup |
| 22:00.30 | legodude | wow |
| 22:00.38 | legodude | it's FCC certified, no? |
| 22:00.38 | Error403 | plastic doesn't stop the interference really though |
| 22:00.50 | Error403 | it has to be to be sold in the US |
| 22:00.54 | Error403 | at least legally |
| 22:01.24 | Error403 | I think it's because of the 5V pcmcia hack though |
| 22:02.13 | Error403 | brb |
| 22:23.05 | legodude | gahdamn |
| 22:23.09 | legodude | wpflash borks again |
| 22:28.20 | legodude | I can get to initializing flash |
| 22:28.21 | legodude | then boom |
| 22:28.24 | legodude | no more |
| 22:40.20 | Error403 | Does someone have a tuxscreen to check in /proc/devices to see if there's a pcmcia interrupt in there, or in /proc/drivers to check for a pcmcia driver listed? |
| 22:42.13 | file | has anybody ever dealt with using old libc5 programs on a libc6 system? |
| 22:42.58 | legodude | sure Error403 |
| 22:43.28 | legodude | 254 pcmcia |
| 22:43.33 | legodude | in /proc/devices |
| 22:44.00 | legodude | no /proc/drivers for me |
| 22:44.01 | Error403 | hrm |
| 22:44.08 | Error403 | legodude: /proc/drivers is a dir |
| 22:44.17 | legodude | don't have |
| 22:44.23 | legodude | oo |
| 22:44.26 | legodude | just driver |
| 22:44.28 | file | I think I might get up the courage to e-mail Caldera and ask for a libc6 version of this old software they don't support anymore |
| 22:44.30 | Error403 | oh, sorry |
| 22:44.36 | legodude | just rtc in there |
| 22:44.41 | Error403 | ok, good |
| 22:44.54 | legodude | what sw file? |
| 22:45.18 | file | legodude: their Netware Server for Linux |
| 22:45.22 | file | :) |
| 22:45.28 | legodude | why? |
| 22:45.37 | file | legodude: because I want to experiment with it. |
| 22:45.44 | legodude | ugh |
| 22:45.49 | Error403 | that's sick :) |
| 22:45.55 | file | legodude: my school uses Novell, so I thought I should understand the client and such |
| 22:46.05 | file | since I'm applying for a technical assistant job this summer there |
| 22:46.10 | legodude | ah |
| 22:47.39 | file | the problem is, their software is libc5 - no problem there, I can just put in a compatibility lib |
| 22:47.44 | file | BUT - the program loader... that's the challenge |
| 22:50.25 | file | legodude: you wouldn't happen to know anybody inside of SCO that could recompile it eh? |
| 22:51.11 | Error403 | file: Are you 100% sure it's binary only? |
| 22:51.27 | file | Error403: yes |
| 22:51.45 | file | Error403: as it was a joint venture with Novell itself, thus they got all the document specs and such from them - and couldn't give the info out |
| 22:51.47 | legodude | file: don't know anyone |
| 22:51.50 | file | so it was made binary |
| 22:52.07 | file | http://www.caldera.com/support/docs/netware/ |
| 22:52.09 | file | there's the page... |
| 22:52.41 | legodude | just install libc5 linux on old machine? |
| 22:52.47 | Error403 | if that's libc5 then I doubt the protocol is even near the same now days |
| 22:53.13 | file | Error403: nah it's the same |
| 22:53.17 | file | legodude: I did |
| 22:53.25 | file | legodude: it's the loader... |
| 22:53.28 | Error403 | heh |
| 22:53.35 | legodude | no |
| 22:53.39 | Error403 | Is that one of those things you "just know"? :) |
| 22:53.44 | legodude | like rh 5 or something |
| 22:53.54 | file | oh misread your thing |
| 22:54.02 | file | well I have a machine... but no case or PSU for it :( |
| 22:59.43 | file | eh who needs a case... I'll just put it in a big shoebox! |
| 22:59.44 | file | ;) |
| 23:00.28 | file | legodude: well that's just great... :( |
| 23:01.15 | chouimat|tv | boring |
| 23:01.41 | legodude | file: ya, but I couldn't have gotten them to you anyway |
| 23:01.46 | file | legodude: I know |
| 23:06.14 | file | darn it I can't find an e-mail address... |
| 23:06.18 | Error403 | legodude: heh, it was the ethernet cable interfering with the radio, but it was only the tuxscreen ethernet cable :P |
| 23:06.38 | legodude | ha |
| 23:06.40 | legodude | that's quality |
| 23:06.42 | file | Error403: ethernet interferes with my TV... |
| 23:07.00 | legodude | soon I will interfere with my webpal |
| 23:07.11 | Error403 | yeah, but radio has a lot broader range of frequencies |
| 23:07.13 | Error403 | errr |
| 23:07.15 | Error403 | TV does even |
| 23:07.50 | file | wth? they want me to phone... |
| 23:08.48 | Error403 | hehe |
| 23:08.57 | MonMotha | ah, the wonders of the flip flop |
| 23:10.24 | file | well I sent an e-mail... |
| 23:10.30 | file | I made it sound pretty desperate :) |
| 23:12.16 | MonMotha | wow, I'm going to go through like 50 ft of 30 guage wire to build this thing |
| 23:12.37 | file | I've noticed this: If you're incredibly nice to people, they'll give you stuff |
| 23:12.38 | Error403 | 30 guage? How do you even work with that? Ugh |
| 23:12.53 | Error403 | file: hehe, yes |
| 23:13.03 | file | like on the phone for my cellular account, I was really nice - and they gave me a $30 credit and a $20 credit |
| 23:13.03 | legodude | 30 gauge is nice |
| 23:13.05 | file | plus free activation |
| 23:13.15 | Error403 | MonMotha: I'd lose the wires in my room ;) |
| 23:15.40 | legodude | hehehe |
| 23:15.44 | legodude | I'm not joking |
| 23:15.45 | legodude | hehehe |
| 23:15.48 | legodude | it's gonna die |
| 23:15.51 | legodude | both of them |
| 23:16.56 | chouimat|tv | 30 gauge is not a small size? |
| 23:17.16 | legodude | chouimat|tv: you make any progress with the parallel stuff? |
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| 23:17.31 | Error403 | chouimat|tv: Higher the guage, smaller the size |
| 23:17.41 | Error403 | like 10 guage is huge :) |
| 23:18.06 | chouimat|tv | Error403: ok I used 8 guage for my electric installation once |
| 23:18.49 | legodude | that's pretty huge |
| 23:18.51 | Error403 | yes, I hate that stuff |
| 23:18.54 | legodude | how many amps were you running? |
| 23:19.09 | chouimat|tv | legodude: nope I'm adding the final toouch to my palmos support for gideon |
| 23:19.19 | Error403 | I have that stuff here too since we're wiring my parent's basement (since it's not finished) |
| 23:19.26 | chouimat|tv | legodude: was for a power amp of 5000 watts |
| 23:20.09 | legodude | o |
| 23:20.11 | legodude | wow |
| 23:20.15 | legodude | sound power? |
| 23:20.21 | chouimat|tv | yes |
| 23:20.30 | legodude | yeow |
| 23:22.27 | chouimat|tv | legodude: was a great era of my life .... :( |
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| 23:23.03 | legodude | chouimat|tv: howso? |
| 23:23.50 | chouimat|tv | was drummer in an heavy metal band and my ex-wife make me do the ultimate sacrilege .... I sold my kit :( |
| 23:24.15 | legodude | aaaah |
| 23:24.17 | legodude | sucks |
| 23:24.25 | legodude | I'm thinking about getting into music |
| 23:24.30 | legodude | can't play anything though |
| 23:24.37 | legodude | and don't really have the space for more toys |
| 23:24.40 | legodude | but I'd love to learn |
| 23:25.28 | chouimat|tv | legodude: get a guitar that take less sapce than a drum |
| 23:26.01 | chouimat|tv | give me 10 minutes and I will post a nicee photo on my website |
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| 23:31.57 | chouimat|tv | legodude: I'm trying to scan the photo |
| 23:32.12 | file | Gladiator is on TV tonight, neat |
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| 23:36.06 | chouimat|tv | legodude: http://ulyx.homeunix.org:12000/drums.jpg |
| 23:41.16 | legodude | wow |
| 23:41.42 | legodude | looks fun |
| 23:42.18 | chouimat|tv | was a huge kit: 2 bass drums, tom: 8,10,12,13,14 floor tom: 16 and 18 and about 15 cymbals, 2 snares drums |
| 23:43.39 | chouimat|tv | legodude: was fun :( |
| 23:45.44 | legodude | sucks dude :( |
| 23:47.59 | chouimat|tv | yup |
| 23:53.01 | chouimat|tv | arrrrrrggggg my neighbourg is using his charcoal BBQ ... |
| 23:53.21 | legodude | haha |
| 23:53.23 | legodude | go steal some |
| 23:53.32 | legodude | I lost my damn 2.5" hard drive adapter |
| 23:53.47 | chouimat|tv | legodude: nah! I need chocolate |
