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| 01:18.30 | legodude | doh |
| 01:18.35 | legodude | just as things breakz0r |
| 01:18.38 | file[bed] | lol |
| 01:19.32 | legodude | matchbox: can't load library 'libgcc_s.so.0.9.9' |
| 01:19.35 | legodude | now what did I not read |
| 01:22.45 | legodude | any tinyX people here? |
| 01:24.03 | Morn | legodude: you going to give me a copy of your new image with caller ID? |
| 01:25.21 | legodude | it's not an image |
| 01:25.30 | legodude | the latest buildroot has everything in it that you need |
| 01:25.43 | Morn | really? |
| 01:25.44 | legodude | I'm just writing a frontend to the tuxphone daemon |
| 01:25.45 | legodude | ja |
| 01:25.50 | legodude | like I said |
| 01:26.00 | legodude | look in the examples directory for the tuxphone daemon |
| 01:26.04 | Morn | My image is anchinet |
| 01:26.08 | legodude | ah |
| 01:26.16 | legodude | I can give you my new image if you want |
| 01:26.22 | legodude | but it's nothing special |
| 01:26.26 | legodude | just a default compile |
| 01:26.37 | legodude | and my one with TinyX does not have working Matchbox WM |
| 01:26.41 | Morn | mine right now doesn't do much more than just let me use the phone |
| 01:26.59 | Morn | I tried a few GUI's but none of them had working touchscreen drivers |
| 01:27.13 | legodude | you know what libgcc_s.so.0.9.9 is? |
| 01:27.28 | Morn | not off the top of my head |
| 01:27.54 | file[bed] | mmm |
| 01:28.29 | Morn | where does the error occur? |
| 01:28.37 | legodude | loading TinyX |
| 01:28.41 | legodude | X loads up fine |
| 01:28.51 | legodude | I'm using it for remote display right now |
| 01:28.58 | legodude | just no WM, no rxvt, etc |
| 01:29.29 | Morn | hmmm |
| 01:29.56 | legodude | I just need to talk to someone who does this and ask em what's wrong |
| 01:30.14 | Morn | I don't do anything with tinyX |
| 01:30.18 | Morn | so I can't be much help |
| 01:30.23 | MonMotha | did we ever figure out why the X screen was all blue if you started it from the fbcon rather than serial port? |
| 01:30.36 | legodude | don't think so |
| 01:30.44 | legodude | there was some talk on the mailing list a while ago IIRC |
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| 01:59.42 | file[bed] | hi Tim |
| 02:00.17 | glytchbinary | . |
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| 02:51.52 | Error403 | hello hello |
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| 03:08.00 | legodude | hey Error403 |
| 03:08.07 | legodude | you know anything about TinyX on tux? |
| 03:08.11 | Error403 | hello |
| 03:08.18 | Error403 | legodude: Nope, never ever used it |
| 03:08.22 | Error403 | don't plan on it either |
| 03:08.24 | Error403 | :) |
| 03:08.27 | Error403 | Opie, here I come ;) |
| 03:08.44 | legodude | ah |
| 03:08.50 | legodude | Opie runs on framebuf? |
| 03:09.16 | Error403 | of course |
| 03:09.23 | Error403 | that's all it runs on |
| 03:09.28 | legodude | ah |
| 03:09.31 | Error403 | they're trying to get it on X11, but it's not done |
| 03:09.32 | legodude | didn't read the site well enough :P |
| 03:09.37 | Error403 | :) |
| 03:14.30 | MonMotha | I gather that qt/e doesn't like X :) |
| 03:14.35 | MonMotha | it's supposed to, but doesn't :) |
| 03:15.52 | legodude | all I want is matchbox :( |
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| 03:47.08 | klu5ter | prpplague: yo crack head.. i guess you got your cable installed... |
| 03:50.30 | chouimat|shower | ok it's time to get a shower when your cat doesn't want to be near you because you smell too strong |
| 03:56.20 | Russ | chouimat|shower: |
| 03:56.27 | Russ | you are never going to get a chick to dress you that way |
| 04:03.23 | chouimat | Russ: hehe ... look I didn't get out of here sincee friday .... |
| 04:16.26 | legodude | w00t |
| 04:16.27 | legodude | "This is my fault. I only did a partial update of buildroot and |
| 04:16.27 | legodude | forgot to include an important change to make/uclibc_toolchain.mk |
| 04:16.27 | legodude | which copies libgcc_s.so into the target filesystem. I'll add |
| 04:16.27 | legodude | that (along with updating gcc and a few other little things) into |
| 04:16.27 | legodude | buildroot this evening." |
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| 05:10.48 | chouimat|Zzzzzz | night |
| 06:31.48 | Russ | HWaddr 44:4D:50:C0:00:44 |
| 06:31.50 | Russ | odd... |
| 06:32.08 | Russ | HWaddr 44:4D:50:C0:00:44 |
| 06:32.22 | Russ | er, HWaddr 44:4D:50:00:13:CE |
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| 12:25.47 | TomW | good morning |
| 12:26.27 | sjhill | hi TomW |
| 12:26.55 | TomW | sjhill: hey, how you been? |
| 12:27.26 | TomW | I had a really good weekend, I went on a Men's Spiritual Retreat. |
| 12:27.38 | TomW | _intense_! |
| 12:27.53 | sjhill | i haven't been on a retreat in almost a year |
| 12:28.04 | sjhill | i think PK is the last major thing i went to |
| 12:28.11 | TomW | I haven't had to deal with that much "in your face" honesty in quite a while. |
| 12:28.48 | TomW | It was good though! I came back with a lot of things to reflect upon. |
| 12:29.05 | TomW | PK? |
| 12:29.10 | sjhill | Promise Keepers |
| 12:29.18 | TomW | k |
| 12:29.32 | TomW | This was mixed, married / unmarried guys. |
| 12:29.38 | sjhill | cool |
| 12:31.00 | TomW | noisy though, I've never gone to one of those things before. After the first day, a buddy I went up with said "now it gets louder", he was right! |
| 12:31.29 | sjhill | heh |
| 12:31.46 | TomW | take 65 guys and stick 'em in a room with coffee, muchies & tabacco... |
| 12:31.59 | TomW | s/muchies/munchies/ |
| 12:32.38 | TomW | What is the Promise Keepers? Is that a married couples thing? |
| 12:40.54 | sjhill | TomW: no, it's for men only...talk about in your face |
| 12:41.07 | sjhill | the one i went to was about 9000 guys |
| 12:42.18 | TomW | AH, yeah, I say in on a lot of conversations that some guy was bitchin' about his wife and how fsked up she was being. Then was told "it is you, man, you're the a**hole" |
| 12:42.30 | TomW | s/say/sat/ |
| 12:43.33 | TomW | then, the other guys would proceed to tell him how they worked it out. |
| 12:44.36 | TomW | heh, I wonder what it would be like to be a fly on the wall at a Women's Retreat? ;) |
| 12:44.45 | TomW | cat fights? |
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| 12:49.50 | sjhill | nah, probably a lot of crying |
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| 13:39.49 | Error403 | Hello... is there any utility that can create all of the /dev/ entries without creating a jffs2 image? |
| 13:40.25 | prpplague^2 | Error403: bb has a function to create /dev entries |
| 13:40.44 | prpplague^2 | Error403: however if your needing alot of entries, probably need to look at using devfs |
| 13:41.11 | Error403 | I just need the basic ones for the tux to boot |
| 13:41.18 | Error403 | so.. I'll check that out, thanks |
| 13:41.40 | TomW | Error403: I have some code to do that |
| 13:41.56 | Error403 | TomW: even better :) |
| 13:42.06 | TomW | it is extracted from the mkjffs stuff of Erik's |
| 13:42.16 | TomW | let me look for it. |
| 13:44.23 | TomW | Error403: get my buildroot-webpal, then look at make/makedevfs.mk The url is: http://www.openhardware.net/webpal/index.html |
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| 13:46.02 | TomW | Error403: it uses Erik's devicetable.txt file to orchestrate the MAKEDEV stuff into the root filesystem. I used a cramfs on that buildroot so the mkjffs stuff couldn't be used, so, I extracted the code that I needed to build a simpler util. |
| 13:51.22 | TomW | Error403: makedevs.mk pulls in the code and builds it (native development machine arch build), then romfs.mk actually runs the makedevs and passes the parameters to it. |
| 13:52.07 | Error403 | opps ;) |
| 13:52.21 | TomW | Error403: option '-D' tells it where the device_table.txt file is (the /dev map) and the '-d' tells it the destination (where to do stuff). |
| 13:52.52 | Error403 | TomW: How can I add a library path for the linker via the makefiles? |
| 13:52.53 | TomW | Error403: be carefull if you run it as root, it _will_ allow you to change the /dev dir of the machine you are on. |
| 13:53.32 | Error403 | I'll chroot then |
| 13:53.38 | TomW | CFLAGS= |
| 13:53.46 | Error403 | ah, of course |
| 13:53.53 | Error403 | then -Wl,-L |
| 13:53.54 | Error403 | sure |
| 13:54.49 | Error403 | TomW: So do I need the linux.mk (I sure hope not) or romfs.mk? |
| 13:55.08 | TomW | yeah, but you can simply untar the makedevs source, cd into that dir, then simply type 'make' and it should build properly. The makefile in that dir is standalone and doesn't need uClibc, etc. to build the util. |
| 13:55.20 | TomW | s/yeah// |
| 13:55.27 | Error403 | that's a better idea :) |
| 13:55.32 | TomW | yup |
| 13:55.50 | TomW | I just put in the tree as a convenience. |
| 13:56.19 | TomW | btw, iirc, it will also mkdir as well. |
| 13:56.35 | TomW | ... as well as MAKEDEV |
| 13:57.22 | TomW | look at the sample device_table.txt in the sources dir, all that stuff in there I should have working. |
| 13:58.01 | Error403 | Well, I can't chroot it, the cross compiler was compiled using glibc (even though inhibit libc was on) |
| 13:58.08 | TomW | but, if in doubt, just do a make from the toplevel makefile. heh, it will build you a webpal cramfs . |
| 14:03.40 | Error403 | yippie! :) |
| 14:03.57 | Error403 | thanks :) |
| 14:05.11 | TomW | Error403: np |
| 14:05.33 | Error403 | now, the big trick |
| 14:05.38 | Error403 | try to pivot on the nfs mount |
| 14:08.59 | Error403 | Hrfm, this tuxscreen isn't retaining its kernel image on boot |
| 14:09.02 | Error403 | annoying |
| 14:09.16 | Error403 | on reboot even |
| 14:10.14 | prpplague^2 | Error403: sure your not loading the kernel to ram instead of flash? |
| 14:11.43 | Error403 | 'flash kernel' :) |
| 14:13.47 | prpplague^2 | Error403: ok, just checking :) |
| 14:14.28 | Error403 | wtf, it did it again |
| 14:14.43 | Error403 | bbl |
| 14:15.02 | Error403 | Hate to kick it and run... but ;) |
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| 14:16.28 | CosmicPenguin | Morning |
| 14:17.43 | sorphin | lo |
| 14:17.53 | prpplague^2 | morning |
| 14:18.06 | prpplague^2 | anyone got experience with RDC chips? |
| 14:18.07 | sorphin | prpplague^2: you duping again? |
| 14:18.17 | sorphin | rdc ? |
| 14:18.18 | CosmicPenguin | He's multiplying |
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| 14:18.26 | prpplague^2 | sorphin: ya, left my box at home logged in and ssh urned off |
| 14:18.30 | prpplague^2 | TimRiker: lo |
| 14:18.37 | sorphin | prpplague^2: ah |
| 14:18.43 | sorphin | TimRiker: morning timmy |
| 14:20.08 | prpplague^2 | TimRiker: hmmmm...... |
| 14:20.10 | sorphin | TimRiker: didn't you have mucho meetings as a cto before? or are these just extra boring |
| 14:20.11 | prpplague^2 | TimRiker: hanging |
| 14:20.17 | prpplague^2 | TimRiker: lethal injection |
| 14:20.24 | prpplague^2 | TimRiker: throat cut |
| 14:20.31 | prpplague^2 | TimRiker: meetings |
| 14:20.34 | sorphin | prpplague^2: we're not talking about what you do on a 1st date in TX :P |
| 14:20.36 | prpplague^2 | TimRiker: hard choice |
| 14:21.20 | prpplague^2 | sorphin: no we save the fun stuff for the 2nd date |
| 14:21.55 | sorphin | ah |
| 14:22.02 | prpplague^2 | sorphin: hmm, can you run uclinux on a 16-bit mcu? |
| 14:22.12 | sorphin | then what's a 1st date, introduce your mom to your sister? |
| 14:22.44 | TimRiker | ti uses outlook. outlook makes it easy to completely fill your day with meetings. |
| 14:23.00 | sorphin | TimRiker: wcom uses outlook too |
| 14:23.04 | sorphin | erm |
| 14:23.07 | sorphin | s/wcom/mci/ |
| 14:23.11 | sorphin | hwoever |
| 14:23.18 | prpplague^2 | sorphin: 1st is i get to show her my beer bottle cap collection :) |
| 14:23.19 | sorphin | the smart people use netscape mail, etc |
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| 14:23.29 | sorphin | prp^2: ah |
| 14:23.38 | sorphin | pattieja: morning jason |
| 14:24.21 | sorphin | prpplague^2: btw.. looks like you can |
| 14:24.52 | prpplague^2 | sorphin: hmm, oh? |
| 14:25.00 | prpplague^2 | sorphin: where are you seeing the info? |
| 14:25.04 | sorphin | don't take that as gospel tho (as i've not used anything that "small") |
| 14:25.09 | prpplague^2 | sorphin: i was trying to find an update on elks |
| 14:25.10 | sorphin | prpplague^2: google |
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| 14:25.29 | sorphin | sieve: secondary POS lover |
| 14:25.49 | sieve | sorphin: bleh |
| 14:25.51 | sieve | morning all |
| 14:26.27 | sorphin | prpplague^2: oh, did you find out if you're going to jamaica or whatever it was? |
| 14:27.08 | prpplague^2 | sorphin: jamaica has been postponed for a little while |
| 14:27.08 | sieve | sorphin: actually I'm more affectionately known as network bitch... |
| 14:27.23 | prpplague^2 | sorphin: they are running on a backup server system for now |
| 14:27.39 | prpplague^2 | sorphin: we also have a server problem in panama and honduras |
| 14:27.54 | prpplague^2 | sorphin: so i might be on the road a little in the next few weeks |
| 14:27.57 | sorphin | sieve: ah |
| 14:28.22 | sorphin | prpplague^2: don't forget your monster bug repellant |
| 14:29.05 | prpplague^2 | sorphin: thats called, "eat lots of indian food before you go...." |
| 14:31.34 | prpplague^2 | sorphin: hmm, several pdf files indicate that uclinux will work on x86 mmu-less mcu's however i'm not seeing any references on the uclinux.org site |
| 14:32.37 | sorphin | i dunno |
| 14:32.50 | sorphin | prpplague^2: yo usee this? sound like your kind thing ;) |
| 14:32.51 | sorphin | MP3 Player In An AK-47 Magazine |
| 14:33.24 | prpplague^2 | sorphin: lol, i don't use ak's have a sks |
| 14:33.44 | sorphin | prpplague^2: i meant using a magazine tho, prolly could use an sks one :P |
| 14:33.45 | prpplague^2 | sorphin: but that would be nice :) |
| 14:33.56 | prpplague^2 | sorphin: ya same clip |
| 14:34.06 | prpplague^2 | sorphin: well actually its a magazine |
| 14:34.15 | CosmicPenguin | I love bus errors |
| 14:34.40 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i should give you a box of bus error for your wedding ;) |
| 14:34.44 | sorphin | +s |
| 14:35.26 | prpplague^2 | sorphin: and i'll give him a couple of cans of squelch |
| 14:35.57 | sorphin | prpplague^2: whas that? |
| 14:37.38 | prpplague^2 | sorphin: lol, squelch for your radio.... |
| 14:37.43 | prpplague^2 | sorphin: old communcations joke |
| 14:37.57 | prpplague^2 | sorphin: always send the newbie off looking for some squelch |
| 14:38.11 | sorphin | ah, that squelch |
| 14:38.25 | sorphin | prpplague^2: haven't had breakfast yet, not really concious atm |
| 14:38.38 | prpplague^2 | sorphin: np |
| 14:45.46 | prpplague^2 | hmm, i can't believe someone has done a port to the rdc r8800 series |
| 14:48.55 | CosmicPenguin | Its official - my entire family is angry at me |
| 14:49.06 | prpplague^2 | CosmicPenguin: :( |
| 14:49.09 | prpplague^2 | CosmicPenguin: what up? |
| 14:49.35 | signal11 | CosmicPenguin: doh what happened |
| 14:49.44 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague^2: they all think I should've gone out and gotten a job after century canned me |
| 14:50.04 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague^2: specially since I had to get the Volvo fixed to the tune of about $700 |
| 14:50.07 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: it's not really their business |
| 14:50.20 | prpplague^2 | CosmicPenguin: lol, btdt |
| 14:50.48 | CosmicPenguin | stupid car |
| 14:52.11 | CosmicPenguin | I think the dealer kinda screwed me - somewhere along the line I broke pretty much everything on the front left tire |
| 14:52.23 | sorphin | heh |
| 14:52.31 | CosmicPenguin | The dealer fixed the bearing (so the wheel wouldn't fall off), but it turns out that the strut was damaged too |
| 14:52.39 | CosmicPenguin | And the control rod |
| 14:53.11 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i'll only take a car to the dealer if it's under warranty |
| 14:53.26 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: since its a Volvo, sometimes the dealer is the best bet |
| 14:53.35 | sorphin | nod |
| 14:53.45 | CosmicPenguin | But since Ford bought Volvo, things have been getting better |
| 14:53.49 | sorphin | heh |
| 14:54.06 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: no really, I can get a part in 3 days now instead of 3 weeks |
| 14:54.30 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: Ford doesn't build the cars, they just handle the distribution network, fortunately |
| 14:55.01 | sorphin | prpplauge^2: speaking of fords. got an old ford pickup? :P |
| 14:55.23 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: that, and a shotgun and a dog - its state law |
| 14:55.46 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: and an open container in the front seat at all times? |
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| 15:03.38 | signal11 | i want to put a gun rack in my wife's kia |
| 15:06.49 | CosmicPenguin | heh - how does your wife feel about that? |
| 15:07.10 | CosmicPenguin | Not a lot of folks with a gun rack in Cottonwood you know... :) |
| 15:07.57 | sorphin | kergoth: i just figured out over the weekend what the 'zire' is i saw yo utalking about last week.. |
| 15:08.17 | sorphin | it's cute, but i don't see it as being useful to me unless it can be treated as a toy :P |
| 15:08.57 | kergoth | heheh. agreed |
| 15:10.55 | legodude | morning all |
| 15:13.20 | prpplague^2 | morning |
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| 15:21.39 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:24.58 | sieve | chouimat: morning |
| 15:25.14 | chouimat | hi sieve |
| 15:25.33 | legodude | morning chouimat |
| 15:31.21 | chouimat | http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20030428&mode=classic |
| 15:33.01 | prpplague^2 | chouimat: cute |
| 15:34.18 | chouimat | prpplague^2: hi |
| 15:37.47 | MornWork | anyone ever have to register a domain in china? |
| 15:40.37 | chouimat | nope |
| 15:42.05 | TomW | MornWork: maybe you need to be a member of the communist party to do that? |
| 15:42.24 | MornWork | the company I work for does a lot of work in China |
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| 15:43.51 | chouimat | wd stop playing |
| 15:47.04 | kergoth | wd: what part of stop playing did you fail to understand? |
| 15:50.51 | chouimat | kergoth: maybe it's chops reincarnated |
| 15:51.20 | kergoth | heheh |
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| 16:09.43 | *** join/#elinux sjhill (~sjhill@65.117.135.105) |
| 16:11.07 | sjhill | heh |
| 16:13.57 | sorphin | sjhill: sup ? |
| 16:15.05 | sjhill | mips dma floppy...bleh |
| 16:15.31 | chouimat | kergoth: http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?file=5892-1.jpg |
| 16:15.40 | chouimat | hi sorphin sjhill |
| 16:16.41 | sjhill | hi chouimat |
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| 16:36.42 | prpplague^2 | sjhill: hey |
| 16:37.39 | chouimat | prpplague^2: sup? |
| 16:37.50 | sjhill | prpplague^2: hey yourself |
| 16:38.27 | prpplague^2 | just reading and trying to learn between server issues |
| 16:38.47 | chouimat | prpplague^2: ok a boring day then |
| 16:38.55 | prpplague^2 | sjhill: any experience with RDC chips? |
| 16:40.40 | sjhill | prpplague^2: less classify that under "NO" |
| 16:40.45 | sjhill | s/less/let's/ |
| 16:41.32 | sorphin | prpplague^2: unless it's mips, sjhill doesn't touch it ;) |
| 16:41.58 | sjhill | precisely correct |
| 16:42.08 | sjhill | there is no other architecture |
| 16:42.13 | sorphin | so his fiancee must be mips based ;) |
| 16:42.18 | sjhill | lalalala.....i'm not listening.....lalalala.... |
| 16:42.24 | sjhill | heh |
| 16:42.41 | prpplague^2 | lol |
| 16:42.50 | sorphin | sjhill: say r10k? |
| 16:42.54 | prpplague^2 | sjhill: just thought you might have heard something |
| 16:43.06 | sjhill | sorphin: yes, i have one |
| 16:43.29 | wd1 | whois "*dz* |
| 16:43.40 | sorphin | umm |
| 16:44.19 | sorphin | sjhill: in what? :P |
| 16:45.06 | wd1 | sorphin: sorry. |
| 16:46.51 | sjhill | sorphin: o2 |
| 16:46.56 | sorphin | ah |
| 16:47.09 | sjhill | i'm going to have a couple of i2 r10k's shortly |
| 16:47.14 | sorphin | what speed? |
| 16:47.18 | sorphin | i2s ? |
| 16:47.18 | *** part/#elinux wd1 (~wd@pD9EBCF5C.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:47.20 | sjhill | all of the above |
| 16:47.30 | sjhill | the guy i know has a stack of 40 i2's |
| 16:47.38 | sorphin | what's an i2 ? |
| 16:47.39 | sorphin | :P |
| 16:47.40 | sjhill | most likely everything |
| 16:47.42 | sjhill | heh |
| 16:48.01 | sorphin | and for htat matter what do you want for one? (if i think it's worth wanting one *g*) |
| 16:48.35 | sorphin | oh |
| 16:48.36 | sorphin | that i2 |
| 16:48.44 | sorphin | brain still not awake |
| 16:48.44 | sorphin | duh |
| 16:49.01 | sorphin | any of em purples or all cyan? |
| 16:49.17 | sjhill | purple and cyan |
| 16:49.21 | sorphin | hmm |
| 16:49.29 | sorphin | i still wanna get rid of my cyan |
| 16:49.37 | sorphin | i shouldn't have gotten it |
| 16:49.46 | chouimat | sorphin: ? |
| 16:50.02 | sorphin | chouimat: SGI Indigo2 (cyan) |
| 16:51.01 | chouimat | ok that |
| 16:52.21 | legodude | ooh |
| 16:52.30 | legodude | what specs sorphin? |
| 16:53.30 | sorphin | 4400/200, 128M, Non impact (obviously by it's cyan color), forget the drive size off the top of my head |
| 16:53.44 | legodude | they do have some impact cyans |
| 16:54.02 | sorphin | not that i've seen |
| 16:54.06 | chouimat | sorphin: bad ? |
| 16:54.11 | sorphin | chouimat: huh? |
| 16:54.12 | legodude | old and slow |
| 16:54.20 | legodude | sorphin: people do backplane upgrades |
| 16:54.25 | sorphin | legodude: ah |
| 16:54.31 | sorphin | well, this isn't one of em |
| 16:54.33 | legodude | and power supply |
| 16:54.38 | sorphin | this is a normal cyan |
| 16:54.48 | legodude | teal is the proper color :P |
| 16:54.52 | sorphin | whatever |
| 16:55.16 | chouimat | ok I just have an old ipx here .... somewhere |
| 16:55.23 | legodude | gah |
| 16:55.27 | legodude | ipx is slooooow |
| 16:55.32 | sorphin | so... |
| 16:55.34 | sorphin | bite me |
| 16:55.45 | legodude | tis okay |
| 16:55.49 | chouimat | legodude: for 25 CAD :) |
| 16:55.51 | sorphin | legodude: i ran my webserver from my Classic |
| 16:55.55 | sorphin | for years |
| 16:55.56 | sorphin | no probs |
| 16:55.57 | legodude | me too |
| 16:56.03 | legodude | I ran it on IPC first |
| 16:56.04 | legodude | then LX |
| 16:56.06 | sorphin | and long ago (95-96) |
| 16:56.15 | sorphin | and i ran it on a NeXT Station :P |
| 16:56.18 | legodude | not so long ago for me |
| 16:56.31 | legodude | I ran NeXT on parisc |
| 16:56.32 | sorphin | a color one no less |
| 16:56.32 | legodude | that was fun |
| 16:56.36 | sorphin | w/ a 21" monitor |
| 16:56.38 | sorphin | purty |
| 16:56.42 | legodude | waste of a machine :P |
| 16:57.03 | legodude | I never really liked next though |
| 16:57.05 | sorphin | legodude: if you're saying a parisc is a waste |
| 16:57.07 | sorphin | you're right :P |
| 16:57.14 | legodude | ha |
| 16:57.18 | legodude | I rather like hpux |
| 16:57.23 | sorphin | legodude: ahem |
| 16:57.27 | sorphin | that's hp(s)ux |
| 16:57.31 | legodude | ya |
| 16:57.33 | legodude | I know I know |
| 16:58.07 | sorphin | and *rea* SysV on 3b2/1000's |
| 16:58.10 | sorphin | real even |
| 16:58.24 | legodude | before me time |
| 16:58.41 | sorphin | ahso :P |
| 16:58.52 | legodude | I think those machines were made around time I was born |
| 16:58.57 | legodude | maybe a bit later :P |
| 17:00.01 | legodude | ja |
| 17:00.02 | legodude | same with me |
| 17:00.05 | legodude | dad had coco |
| 17:00.08 | legodude | I loved that machine |
| 17:00.12 | legodude | loading from tape |
| 17:00.43 | chouimat | legodude: I had a coco annd still have one with 2 Diskettes and OS-9 .... now that litttle baby got 16MB of ram :) |
| 17:00.55 | legodude | wow |
| 17:01.00 | sorphin | chouimat: overkill |
| 17:01.03 | legodude | wow |
| 17:01.10 | legodude | how'd you jam 16mb into one? |
| 17:01.13 | sorphin | chouimat: don't you know no one needs more than 640k of RAM? |
| 17:01.13 | legodude | IIRC my dad's had 64k |
| 17:01.33 | chouimat | legodude: coco 3 is upgradable and the GIME chips is in fact a MMU |
| 17:01.52 | legodude | I remember him soldering ram chips piggyback somehow |
| 17:01.57 | legodude | ah |
| 17:02.09 | chouimat | legodude: someone did an IDE interface and a SCSI-1 interface |
| 17:14.32 | chouimat | wow! a man on "assistannce sociale" bought for 850CAD of lottery tickets |
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| 17:22.36 | sorphin | Russ: mornin |
| 17:57.21 | Russ | morning |
| 17:57.30 | Russ | yet another wonderful day for arm hacking |
| 17:57.52 | sorphin | as long as you're not outdoors here |
| 17:58.25 | Russ | weatherbot: weather wherever sorphin is |
| 17:58.39 | sorphin | hehe |
| 17:58.54 | sorphin | weatherbot: weather kstl |
| 17:59.42 | Russ | weatherbot: weather KPHX |
| 18:00.06 | sorphin | weatherbot is 4 mins idle |
| 18:03.51 | chouimat|lunch | sorphin: weatherbot is broken and I didn't have time to fix it |
| 18:04.01 | sorphin | chouimat|lunch: so get on it ;) |
| 18:04.36 | chouimat|lunch | sorphin: maybe later tonight or tomorrow |
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| 18:09.41 | sorphin | GPSFan_: hola |
| 18:09.57 | GPSFan_ | hi dan, happy monday. ;) |
| 18:10.16 | sorphin | ibot: monday |
| 18:10.16 | | i heard monday is when everything breaks for no apparent reason, creating so many problems it takes you until friday to get back to normal. a good reason to want to go out and kill people, or a day that no work should be performed due to this phenomenon |
| 18:10.45 | GPSFan_ | indeed... |
| 18:11.08 | sorphin | GPSFan_: it'd be a happier monday if i was still w/ sarah :P |
| 18:11.22 | sorphin | like i was all weekend |
| 18:11.39 | kergoth | happier monday |
| 18:11.45 | GPSFan_ | ;), well there is all the more to look forward to the next time you see her.;) |
| 18:11.46 | kergoth | those exist? |
| 18:11.56 | sorphin | kergoth: read my reasoning :P |
| 18:12.10 | sorphin | GPSFan_: which is atleast 2 weekend away at the least |
| 18:12.30 | GPSFan_ | ;( |
| 18:13.14 | kergoth | damnit libtool. |
| 18:13.17 | kergoth | ibot: libtool |
| 18:13.18 | | libtool is probably a fool, and can be found at http://www.gnu.org/software/libtool/ |
| 18:13.23 | kergoth | ibot: libtool is also the spawn of satan |
| 18:13.24 | | okay, kergoth |
| 18:13.30 | sorphin | ibot: kergoth |
| 18:13.31 | | somebody said kergoth was at kergoth@handhelds.org, or that openzaurus guy |
| 18:13.44 | sorphin | ibot: emulate kergoth |
| 18:13.44 | | ACTION mutters about buildsystems and tells people to RTFM. |
| 18:15.52 | chouimat|lunch | ibot emulate chouimat |
| 18:15.52 | | ACTION goes buy some beers |
| 18:16.01 | sorphin | and hey |
| 18:16.05 | sorphin | the grammar is wrong too ;) |
| 18:16.11 | sorphin | chouimat|lunch: just like yours ;) |
| 18:16.30 | chouimat|lunch | sorphin: :P |
| 18:16.55 | sorphin | or fregrish or somehting |
| 18:17.00 | sorphin | +n |
| 18:17.08 | chouimat|lunch | sorphin: i don't speak |
| 18:17.27 | sorphin | chouimat|lunch: that explains a lot |
| 18:19.22 | Russ | ibot: emulate russ |
| 18:19.22 | | Russ: I give up, what is it? |
| 18:19.27 | Russ | hmm.... |
| 18:19.33 | sorphin | sounds about right ;) |
| 18:30.54 | chouimat | http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/2711/borglang.html |
| 18:36.35 | legodude | "cvs update" is all I need to grab new updates on a cvs server, no? |
| 18:36.51 | chouimat | cvs up -dP |
| 18:37.59 | legodude | how is that different? |
| 18:38.11 | legodude | output looks the exact same |
| 18:38.19 | sorphin | legodude: man cvs :P |
| 18:38.47 | legodude | k |
| 18:38.58 | legodude | I wonder if he got the buildroot-tux changes done |
| 18:40.03 | sorphin | he? |
| 18:40.27 | legodude | codepoet |
| 18:40.43 | sorphin | i didn't know andersee was making more changes |
| 18:40.47 | legodude | ja |
| 18:40.59 | legodude | "This is my fault. I only did a partial update of buildroot and |
| 18:40.59 | legodude | forgot to include an important change to make/uclibc_toolchain.mk |
| 18:40.59 | legodude | which copies libgcc_s.so into the target filesystem. I'll add |
| 18:40.59 | legodude | that (along with updating gcc and a few other little things) into |
| 18:40.59 | legodude | buildroot this evening." |
| 18:41.04 | legodude | TinyX got borked |
| 18:41.15 | legodude | I finally have time for it |
| 18:41.19 | legodude | writing me a caller ID app |
| 18:41.24 | sorphin | oh, i have time for it |
| 18:41.26 | sorphin | just no desire |
| 18:41.30 | legodude | ah |
| 18:41.50 | legodude | I need to screw with this |
| 18:41.53 | legodude | this my webpal |
| 18:41.58 | legodude | then other toys |
| 18:41.59 | sorphin | heh |
| 18:42.05 | sorphin | my webpals are still bricks |
| 18:42.11 | legodude | mine too |
| 18:42.11 | legodude | well |
| 18:42.17 | legodude | not quite bricks |
| 18:42.21 | legodude | but I can't flash them |
| 18:42.41 | CosmicPenguin | Heh - Every day I complain to myself because I have to jump up from my desk to check my caller ID, but do I ever hack my tuxscreen? No |
| 18:43.05 | legodude | hehe |
| 18:43.10 | legodude | I rather like tux as a phone |
| 18:43.24 | sorphin | never used it as a phone |
| 18:45.06 | legodude | new ipod |
| 18:45.07 | legodude | shiny |
| 18:47.33 | prpplague^2 | http://www.commsdesign.com/news/product_news/OEG20030428S0031 |
| 18:47.39 | prpplague^2 | that sounds fun |
| 18:48.25 | sorphin | heh |
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| 18:52.32 | chouimat | cool a colecovision for 5CAD .... |
| 18:52.33 | Russ | I need to have time to turn my webpal into a directv emulator thingy |
| 18:52.46 | sorphin | heh |
| 18:52.56 | sorphin | Russ: i was gonna do that originaly w/ my WSP |
| 18:52.58 | sorphin | never did |
| 18:53.05 | chouimat | sorphin: WSP/ |
| 18:53.11 | chouimat | s///? |
| 18:53.19 | sorphin | WebSurfer Pro |
| 18:53.19 | legodude | websurfer pro? |
| 18:53.21 | Russ | aparently, directv hacking isn't an opensource thing |
| 18:53.45 | file | Russ: hehe |
| 18:54.01 | Russ | its more of a script kiddie thing |
| 18:54.54 | file | Russ: we don't like sharing eeprom images because the more people use it, more chance it'll go down |
| 18:55.43 | Russ | thats not what I mean |
| 18:55.57 | Russ | I mean the code that runs on the box acking as the emu |
| 18:55.59 | Russ | er, acting |
| 18:56.29 | file | Russ: oh ic |
| 18:56.57 | Russ | http://directfb.org/screenshots/directfb_on_tuxscreen.jpg |
| 18:57.23 | Russ | looks like somebody forgot to scratch philips off the keyboard |
| 18:57.30 | chouimat | nice |
| 18:57.32 | file | hehe |
| 18:57.34 | legodude | hey |
| 18:57.36 | CosmicPenguin | mmm... shiney |
| 18:57.37 | Russ | *cought* TimRiker *cough* |
| 18:57.38 | legodude | I have that yellow book |
| 18:57.39 | legodude | it's german |
| 18:57.56 | legodude | we read em for my german class this semester :) |
| 18:58.03 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague^2: bored yet? |
| 18:58.24 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i am, waiting on greg ;) |
| 18:58.32 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I know, I know |
| 18:58.48 | prpplague^2 | CosmicPenguin: ya well, i'm over hear in server install script hell |
| 18:59.41 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague^2: I assume thats a pretty brutal hell, too... worse than Java 101 hell? |
| 19:01.41 | chouimat | "H2O is hot water, and CO2 is cold water." <--- answer given by an american high school student in a test |
| 19:01.51 | file | lol |
| 19:01.55 | legodude | hey, that was my answer :P |
| 19:01.58 | sorphin | ugh |
| 19:04.31 | prpplague^2 | chouimat: pretty typical |
| 19:04.57 | prpplague^2 | CosmicPenguin: whats the level of dependecies right now? |
| 19:04.59 | chouimat | prpplague^2: yup but I'm wondering about the teacher skills :) |
| 19:05.03 | prpplague^2 | CosmicPenguin: single layer? |
| 19:05.05 | Russ | beware the dangers of DHMO (dyhydrogen monoxide) |
| 19:05.08 | Russ | dhmo.org |
| 19:05.26 | sjhill | i take comfort in knowing that in 10 years, there will be enough stupid kids that i can pay small amounts of money to be my slaves....muwhahahah |
| 19:05.30 | file | chouimat: I have Friday off (thank god) so your stuff will go out then |
| 19:05.39 | prpplague^2 | sjhill: lol |
| 19:06.07 | Russ | netgear router? ew |
| 19:06.07 | prpplague^2 | sjhill: ya well, most of them will be under the afl-cio and you'll have to negotiate contracts |
| 19:06.21 | chouimat | file: I use a nice freebsd box |
| 19:06.29 | sjhill | *sigh* |
| 19:06.32 | sjhill | you're probably right |
| 19:06.46 | sjhill | freaking human rights people....geez |
| 19:07.26 | file | chouimat: well it's currently at $25 USD With free next day air UPS shipping |
| 19:07.40 | prpplague^2 | sjhill: i loved the luxury tax past by the democrates in the early 80's |
| 19:07.40 | file | both the router and hub plus power adapter and some 6 foot CAT5 cables |
| 19:07.49 | prpplague^2 | sjhill: you know the one? |
| 19:08.43 | sjhill | i don't remember |
| 19:09.55 | prpplague^2 | sjhill: where all these "blue collar" workers wanted higher taxes on these rich ppl, so they passed a tax on things like yachets, custom built cars (i.e. lumo's) and small bix planes |
| 19:10.14 | prpplague^2 | sjhill: so all these ppl stopped buying them in the states and started going overseas |
| 19:10.48 | prpplague^2 | sjhill: so in about a year, all these "blue collar" workers were laid off from those industries |
| 19:11.10 | sjhill | lol |
| 19:11.23 | file | this seller is an IT Analyst at Avon |
| 19:11.29 | prpplague^2 | sjhill: so the workers call the _same_ ppl that passed the law, and start asking for help |
| 19:11.43 | Russ | alot of people don't understand economics |
| 19:11.50 | Russ | its not a zero sum game |
| 19:11.52 | sjhill | Russ: namely democrats |
| 19:12.06 | prpplague^2 | sjhill: they repealed the law, and voted in a subsidy to help get the industries back on their feet |
| 19:12.13 | Russ | the more you make, the more I make |
| 19:12.40 | prpplague^2 | sjhill: so, in essence, the tax didn't earn a dollar, and instead lost a ton due to the subsidy |
| 19:13.10 | prpplague^2 | sjhill: and the "blue collar" workers think that the _same_ ppl that passed the law are hero's for repealing it |
| 19:13.56 | prpplague^2 | sjhill: thats the kinda stuff i'm worried about with all those dump kids growing into |
| 19:14.03 | sjhill | yeah |
| 19:14.18 | chouimat | prpplague^2: just look at the sars ... people this day seems to be alll in the toilet when God distributted common sense |
| 19:14.30 | chouimat | and intelligence |
| 19:14.55 | Russ | chouimat: you are talking frenglish again and making no sense |
| 19:14.57 | sjhill | i'm a conservative and Republican....darn proud of it too |
| 19:15.10 | chouimat | Russ: :P |
| 19:15.37 | prpplague^2 | Russ: lol, i suspect its probably close to a 50/50 mix |
| 19:16.22 | prpplague^2 | Russ: i generally try to keep political out of programming channels |
| 19:16.39 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague^2: unless of course, it involves the gubment and open source... :) |
| 19:16.46 | CosmicPenguin | Or copyrights |
| 19:16.57 | Russ | thats what I mean by "socially liberal" |
| 19:18.24 | prpplague^2 | CosmicPenguin: agreed |
| 19:18.46 | prpplague^2 | Russ: really? i think that is more just plain common sense |
| 19:19.00 | file | chouimat: if I send the stuff out Friday, when can you have the drives come my way? :) |
| 19:19.02 | sorphin | Morn: you anarchist you ;) |
| 19:19.43 | chouimat | file: I need to see some clients thursday and friday so I can send it friday ... just need to get a box for it |
| 19:19.43 | MornWork | "Governments are for people that can't handle anarchy." |
| 19:19.52 | sorphin | MornWork: yup |
| 19:19.53 | file | chouimat: k |
| 19:20.04 | sorphin | MornWork: and people taht needs someone to run their life for then |
| 19:20.14 | chouimat | file: maybe saturday that will depend when I will finish with them |
| 19:20.16 | signal11 | i have the complete set of chomsky spoken word cd's on mp3 if anyone wants them |
| 19:20.22 | file | chouimat: I hope the SIMM works out for you |
| 19:20.24 | prpplague^2 | Russ: i think more "socially liberal" are educated on OS that conservatives, not that conservatives would disagree, its just that i don't think they are as informed |
| 19:21.26 | signal11 | and that dead kennedys guy too |
| 19:22.38 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: Well, the stereotypical conservative is pro-business, and business types seem to have the hardest time figuring out OS |
| 19:23.54 | TomW | ibot: monday |
| 19:23.55 | | [monday] when everything breaks for no apparent reason, creating so many problems it takes you until friday to get back to normal. a good reason to want to go out and kill people, or a day that no work should be performed due to this phenomenon |
| 19:24.07 | TomW | hmmm |
| 19:24.36 | Russ | sounds like somebody has a case of the mundays |
| 19:25.01 | TomW | yeah, cannot seem to get it in gear today. |
| 19:25.20 | TomW | I think I've stripped some of those gears a while ago or something like that |
| 19:25.39 | TomW | Russ: too nice a day to be inside working. |
| 19:27.13 | Russ | I can always work outside |
| 19:27.26 | Russ | grab my laptop, head out to asu campus, sit outside and get free wireless |
| 19:27.37 | TomW | too bright to see my laptop display (wimpy lcd). |
| 19:27.42 | Russ | bummer |
| 19:28.45 | file | TomW: same problem for me |
| 19:36.11 | sorphin | TomW: yo |
| 19:36.25 | sorphin | TomW: watching a tek probe on ebay :P (new) |
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| 20:03.22 | TomW | lots of angry people. BTW, the two states (NJ & PA) have no direct authority over the bridge commision. |
| 20:03.36 | chouimat | TomW: ouch |
| 20:03.43 | sorphin | TomW: welcome back from the netsplit :P |
| 20:04.19 | TomW | The bridge commision was formed over 100 years ago by independant operators that collectively got together to share the expense & maintenance of the bridges. |
| 20:04.45 | sjhill | anyone ever hear of Artis? |
| 20:04.49 | TomW | fuckers |
| 20:04.51 | sjhill | company i mean |
| 20:04.53 | sjhill | whoa |
| 20:05.03 | sjhill | TomW: you're referring to Artis? |
| 20:05.19 | TomW | no, not you guys, the idiots at eh bridge commision with their toll increase. |
| 20:05.30 | sjhill | oh |
| 20:05.43 | sjhill | so nobody knows about Artis ... *sigh* |
| 20:05.46 | TomW | I talk too much with my fingers, I now swear with them. |
| 20:05.53 | TomW | ;) |
| 20:06.06 | chouimat | TomW: here bus get their toll increase every year .... and the service is crappy for the last 15 years ... |
| 20:06.08 | signal11 | that is one nice thing about Utah, no toll roads |
| 20:06.34 | TomW | signal11: the bad thing is that there is no water in Utah. |
| 20:06.39 | TomW | LOL |
| 20:06.40 | sorphin | signal11: actually saw one in the ozarks, but that's the only one i know of here in MO |
| 20:07.10 | signal11 | yeah we need some water. it rained a few days ago |
| 20:07.36 | TomW | we got lots of it, almost too much, but the dandelions love it! |
| 20:07.37 | signal11 | they've been saying rain is two days away for a week now |
| 20:10.14 | chouimat | ls |
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| 20:11.34 | TomW`gone | what is causing all this quit & joined stuff? |
| 20:11.43 | sorphin | it's netsplits :P |
| 20:12.04 | TomW`gone | what is a netsplit? Server load balancing? |
| 20:12.17 | sorphin | servers losing link to the network and reconnecting (or lilo fucking up again) |
| 20:12.18 | signal11 | irc servers lose connection to each other |
| 20:12.24 | sorphin | yup |
| 20:12.27 | TomW`gone | ok |
| 20:12.36 | signal11 | for whatever reason |
| 20:12.38 | Russ | "rehubbing" |
| 20:12.44 | sorphin | TomW`gone: think of them as a big spoke network |
| 20:13.16 | sorphin | w/ a hub i nthe center (hidden). |
| 20:13.20 | sorphin | same thing as this network |
| 20:13.23 | TomW`gone | yeah, just because I connect to freenode.net doesn't mean that we both end up on the same hardware. |
| 20:13.29 | sorphin | right |
| 20:13.41 | sorphin | there's a rotation |
| 20:13.55 | sorphin | TomW`gone: that's why sometimes i'll implicitly connect to a specific server |
| 20:14.13 | TomW`gone | I take pot luck |
| 20:14.22 | chouimat | sorphin: which one? |
| 20:14.43 | sorphin | chouimat: i haven't done that for a while, i tried to get my other channel to everyone on hte asme server |
| 20:14.47 | sorphin | but no one would :P |
| 20:15.01 | sorphin | then i tried moving them to oftc |
| 20:15.05 | sorphin | that didn't go either :P |
| 20:16.34 | CosmicPenguin | So are you guys done messing around, or what? :) |
| 20:17.36 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: heh |
| 20:21.30 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: at least take off the browser, before you start swinging that thing around... ;) |
| 20:36.57 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm... the money sink AKA my car is now ready for its next big charge. |
| 20:38.59 | signal11 | CosmicPenguin: doh what happened now |
| 20:47.28 | MornWork | anyone have a lot of experience with adaptec scsi cards? |
| 20:47.36 | sorphin | yes |
| 20:47.53 | MornWork | I've got a AIC-7892 Ultra/160 card here |
| 20:48.00 | sorphin | k |
| 20:48.07 | MornWork | when Win2k initializes it it starts whining |
| 20:48.11 | MornWork | really annoying |
| 20:48.25 | MornWork | and the leds on the card start flashing in a back and forth pattern |
| 20:48.48 | sorphin | "kitt, i need ya buddy" :P |
| 20:48.52 | MornWork | it appears to be working though, I can access the drives and the tape drive |
| 20:49.01 | MornWork | it's just making this god awful noise |
| 20:49.15 | MornWork | I just wondered if that is a typical adpatec error state? |
| 20:49.51 | sorphin | to be honest, i've never used a card like that w/ windows, i've kept my scsi under linux |
| 20:50.15 | MornWork | it shouldn't matter what the OS is |
| 20:50.59 | MornWork | and apaprently adaptec wants per incident payment for support |
| 20:51.00 | sorphin | well, what i mean is i've never had a card get into a state like that |
| 20:51.12 | MornWork | it's cheaper to buy a new card then get support from them |
| 20:51.14 | sorphin | you're using the latest drivers for that card w/ 2k ? |
| 20:51.19 | MornWork | yeah |
| 20:51.26 | MornWork | it was working up til this morning when I came in |
| 20:51.38 | MornWork | well, it's still working, just making a LOT of noise |
| 20:51.44 | sorphin | hmm |
| 20:52.27 | chouimat | any one got a valid vmware4 for linux serial number? |
| 20:52.40 | sorphin | i could dig one up prolly |
| 20:58.38 | sorphin | chouimat: KJN8M-7UQFM-001FK-4KHJ0 |
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| 21:03.18 | chouimat | sorphin: thanks |
| 21:03.22 | sorphin | nod |
| 21:03.25 | file | sorphin: thanks as well |
| 21:03.41 | chouimat | I will try it later |
| 21:04.25 | file | darn good, it works |
| 21:04.31 | file | no expiration on my VMWare now ;) |
| 21:04.55 | sorphin | file: taht'd be correct |
| 21:05.03 | sorphin | i know the right "people" ;) |
| 21:05.54 | file | can I make VMWare use my existing 2000 install? |
| 21:06.11 | chouimat | file: yes |
| 21:06.35 | sorphin | file: i'd have a backup if i were you ;) |
| 21:06.45 | file | sorphin: of my 2k install? I don't use it for much anymore |
| 21:06.50 | sorphin | k |
| 21:07.07 | file | my parents have done all their taxes, so I no longer need it for Quicktax |
| 21:07.15 | file | and I only use it for transferring music to my Cybiko Xtreme |
| 21:08.37 | sorphin | nod |
| 21:10.19 | file | I think I broke lilo |
| 21:11.10 | file | I don't have a Win2k Pro install CD handy... so I can't install it in VMWare... |
| 21:11.31 | sorphin | heh |
| 21:11.56 | file | I've got NT4... but that has no USB support. |
| 21:12.10 | file | I have Windows 98 setup files... bleh |
| 21:12.34 | [mbm] | and you can't load a retail version of xp without it bitching about registration |
| 21:12.46 | signal11 | hmm, is this a linux channel? |
| 21:12.47 | file | [mbm]: I never have and never will use XP |
| 21:12.49 | signal11 | j/k |
| 21:13.11 | sorphin | signal11: nope |
| 21:13.24 | sorphin | [mbm]: um.. i think you can if you know what to do ;) |
| 21:14.12 | [mbm] | you can do it with the right version of xp or if you aren't using that version of xp outside of vmware |
| 21:14.53 | [mbm] | problem comes when you dualboot and try to load that copy in vmware, it complains that you've changed hardware |
| 21:14.56 | file | I have many versions... 95a, 95b, 98, 98se, 2000 Pro, 2000 Server, 2000 Data Center, Neptune, XP Corporate, NT4 Server/Workstation |
| 21:15.07 | file | my favorite has been NT4 |
| 21:16.29 | signal11 | file: yeah that was a good one. once they integrated Exploder it all went downhill |
| 21:16.41 | file | signal11: I concur |
| 21:16.51 | sorphin | [mbm]: i used to have that w/ 2k |
| 21:16.57 | sorphin | i gave up on vmwaring it |
| 21:17.06 | sorphin | cuz i couldn't get it to have 2 hw profiles |
| 21:17.22 | file | signal11: shell integration was... just wrong |
| 21:17.44 | sorphin | it's nice, my 2k had a thing in add/remove |
| 21:17.47 | sorphin | to remove IE |
| 21:17.51 | glytchbinary | which handheld would you guys recommend to get started with embedded linux development ? |
| 21:18.01 | file | Zaurus? |
| 21:18.02 | sorphin | glytchbinary: ipaq or zaurus |
| 21:18.05 | signal11 | glytchbinary: zaurus or ipaq i gues |
| 21:18.08 | signal11 | s |
| 21:18.36 | file | sorphin: I looked for that, but could not find it... since I wanted to put 2k on my laptop |
| 21:18.38 | signal11 | which cpu does the zaurus use? |
| 21:18.42 | file | sorphin: with it's 40MB of RAM it... was bad |
| 21:19.32 | sorphin | file: looked for what? |
| 21:19.34 | [mbm] | sorphin: probably old versions of vmware used to puke on acpi calls |
| 21:19.38 | sorphin | signal11: SA1110 |
| 21:19.56 | sorphin | [mbm]: that was the prob, it had initially set up 2k w/ acpi |
| 21:20.04 | sorphin | i promptly have remedied that ;) |
| 21:20.08 | file | sorphin: something to allow IE to be removed |
| 21:20.15 | signal11 | heh try to run old DOS TSR programs under Win4lin sometime |
| 21:20.17 | sorphin | file: ah |
| 21:20.28 | sorphin | file: one of M$'s win2k updates |
| 21:20.30 | signal11 | the one i tried caused linux to freeze |
| 21:20.49 | sorphin | signal11: ugh.. win4lin was terrible too |
| 21:21.07 | file | Win4Lin was fast I'll give it that, but I never got it working with networking |
| 21:21.14 | file | and it had no USB support |
| 21:24.12 | signal11 | i LOVE win4lin |
| 21:24.53 | glytchbinary | zaurus is looking the best... |
| 21:25.17 | sorphin | -:- CosmicPenguin is now known as cosmic_volvo_running_pixil |
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| 21:25.53 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: thats about right - its a sleek powerful good looking car that breaks down alot |
| 21:26.05 | sorphin | ;) |
| 21:26.21 | CosmicPenguin | I guess Qtopia would be a H2 then? Expensive, huge, takes up alot of resources? |
| 21:27.24 | glytchbinary | damn, they're 500$ |
| 21:27.33 | sorphin | glytchbinary: yumm |
| 21:27.35 | sorphin | -y |
| 21:27.38 | sorphin | not they aren't |
| 21:27.40 | sorphin | no |
| 21:27.44 | sorphin | damn i need to go home :P |
| 21:27.44 | kergoth | 5600 maybe.. |
| 21:27.47 | kergoth | but that wouldnt be worth it anyway |
| 21:27.57 | kergoth | if you're gonna throw down that kinda cash, drop the extra $50 and buy a c700 |
| 21:27.58 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:28.25 | sorphin | heh |
| 21:28.35 | sorphin | kergoth: you mean like you? :P *smirk* |
| 21:28.39 | sorphin | oh wait, that's right |
| 21:28.41 | kergoth | me? i didnt buy it |
| 21:28.43 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:28.44 | sorphin | you don't *own* a Z |
| 21:28.51 | kergoth | heheh |
| 21:28.51 | sorphin | kergoth: i know, hence the smirk |
| 21:29.05 | [mbm] | signal11: nod. win4lin directly patched the kernel to allow it to steal cpu time ... two problems: getting that damn patch to work, and the lack of saftey controls to keep win4lin from bringing down the box |
| 21:30.07 | glytchbinary | why wouldn't the 5600 be worth it kergoth? |
| 21:30.18 | sorphin | glytchbinary: cuz a 5500 is cheaper |
| 21:30.22 | CosmicPenguin | dammit - I don't have an extra video card |
| 21:30.23 | kergoth | glytchbinary: because a 5500 is dirt cheat |
| 21:30.23 | sorphin | and would work well enough |
| 21:30.23 | CosmicPenguin | doom |
| 21:30.26 | kergoth | glytchbinary: cheap |
| 21:30.39 | kergoth | glytchbinary: and a c700, at only $50 more, has an incredible 640x480 display and better formfactor |
| 21:30.41 | sorphin | and XScale is crap ;) |
| 21:30.54 | sorphin | kergoth: see above tho :P |
| 21:31.06 | kergoth | well, it'll perform similar to the 5500 |
| 21:31.11 | kergoth | which is why a 5600 isnt worth it |
| 21:31.19 | kergoth | c700 may or may not due to the formfactor and display |
| 21:32.50 | glytchbinary | any of you have a 5500 ? |
| 21:32.58 | kergoth | yep |
| 21:33.33 | glytchbinary | tell me about it |
| 21:33.37 | glytchbinary | if you don't mind taking the time |
| 21:33.44 | glytchbinary | vs say... the ipaq if you've used one |
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| 21:37.30 | glytchbinary | TimRiker: what do you think, ipaq or zaurus ? im going to buy one. |
| 21:37.40 | CosmicPenguin | buy em both |
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| 21:39.00 | glytchbinary | dont' have enough |
| 21:39.25 | chouimat | weatherbot: weather cyqb |
| 21:39.31 | glytchbinary | reading amazon.com reviews now, there seems to be alot of people who don't like the screens on the zaurus, uneven back lighting |
| 21:39.47 | sorphin | heh |
| 21:39.59 | sorphin | i didn't like it at 1st, but it's tolerable |
| 21:40.11 | kergoth | yep, the backlight on the 5500 isnt that good, but the screen is no worse than most ipaqs. particularly not given the price range |
| 21:40.26 | kergoth | now, again, the 5600 has the same screen, and at the cost you'd be better off with a ipaq or c700 |
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| 21:48.17 | TimRiker | glytchbinary: zaurus with OZ instead of the sharp image. that's my current recommendation. you can get a 5500 for $199 still. |
| 21:49.05 | TimRiker | the c700 for $500 is looking nice... /me eyes kergoth (you are bringing it to the interview, yes? ;-) |
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| 21:50.28 | glytchbinary | kergoth: is coming to work there? |
| 21:50.50 | glytchbinary | TimRiker: $199 5500 new ? or used? |
| 21:51.06 | chouimat | any news about the dct? |
| 21:51.11 | TimRiker | refurb iirc |
| 21:51.18 | glytchbinary | 5500 is 350 on amazon |
| 21:53.08 | kergoth | TimRiker: of course! |
| 21:53.11 | kergoth | TimRiker: :) |
| 21:54.42 | glytchbinary | whats the battery life like? |
| 21:54.46 | glytchbinary | found one for 209 on ebay |
| 21:55.04 | TimRiker | http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?sku=S213-1076%20P |
| 21:55.44 | TimRiker | that's the refurb for $199 I bought 4 of them. |
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| 21:56.20 | glytchbinary | nice |
| 21:56.58 | glytchbinary | ... (: |
| 21:57.52 | CosmicPenguin | I dunno - thats not really your thing, is it Tim? :) |
| 21:57.59 | CosmicPenguin | To buy stuff and then resell it to others... :) |
| 21:58.05 | glytchbinary | tuxscreens ? (: |
| 21:58.46 | TimRiker | http://www.pcconnection.com/scripts/productdetail.asp?sku=436392&SourceID=k22350 <- cheapest froogle find for a 5600, $424.99 |
| 21:59.20 | kergoth | ~fishslap CosmicPenguin |
| 21:59.22 | | ACTION slaps CosmicPenguin up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 21:59.32 | TimRiker | CosmicPenguin: no, I try to avoid that. next thing you know my garage is full of hardware and then... oops. I guess I did do that once or twice. |
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| 22:30.43 | sorphin | TimRiker: or 3 times or 4 times.... ;) |
| 22:31.16 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: eventually, somebody will be trying to get rid of 3 or 4 pallets of Z's, and guess who will take them over? :) |
| 22:31.33 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: oh, you don't mean timmy do you? ;) |
| 22:31.59 | sorphin | andersee: yo |
| 22:34.00 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: hows the injury? |
| 22:35.15 | TimRiker | CosmicPenguin: if I could get Zs at the price I paid for TuxScreens I'd jump at the opportunity. ;-) |
| 22:35.22 | TimRiker | no basement to put them in though. |
| 22:35.32 | TimRiker | injury? what happened? |
| 22:35.59 | TimRiker | taking too many pictures of the new house? |
| 22:36.46 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: its ok |
| 22:37.02 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: not that big a deal, though a bit ugly still |
| 22:37.13 | andersee | sorphin: afternoon |
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| 22:37.49 | andersee | TimRiker: http://codepoet.org/gallery/albums.php |
| 22:37.55 | andersee | TimRiker: I cut myself |
| 22:38.28 | andersee | TimRiker: BTW, hi! long time no see... How's Texas treating you? |
| 22:39.17 | sorphin | andersee: legodude was lookin for you |
| 22:39.26 | sorphin | about some tux changes |
| 22:39.42 | TimRiker | andersee: nobody told you that dumpsters don't make good razors? |
| 22:40.38 | andersee | TimRiker: Guess I should have sharpened it a bit first |
| 22:40.49 | sorphin | TimRiker: you know erik, he never learns ;) |
| 22:41.00 | TimRiker | heh. well, sorry to hear it. it looks painful. |
| 22:41.48 | TimRiker | Texas is fine. rain, thunderstorms, tornado watches. the usual. |
| 22:42.23 | TimRiker | job is fun. looking for some more good embedded Linux people. Resumes to Tim@TI.com ;-) |
| 22:42.43 | sorphin | TimRiker: any word on that telcommuting yet? ;) |
| 22:42.57 | CosmicPenguin | TimRiker: I second that |
| 22:43.06 | andersee | TimRiker: what was that about cheap Z's? |
| 22:43.06 | TimRiker | sorphin: not happening soon. I'll keep pusing though. |
| 22:43.23 | TimRiker | http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?sku=S213-1076%20P <- $199 |
| 22:43.58 | andersee | hehe |
| 22:44.28 | TimRiker | yeah! pass those hard drives around already. |
| 22:44.58 | sorphin | hehe |
| 22:45.00 | andersee | Well, now that I have my Government contract in place (it _finally_ was awarded earlier this month), the government is now responsible for buying me all my hardware. :) |
| 22:45.22 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: as opposed to before, when they just randomly sent you stuff? |
| 22:45.25 | TimRiker | cool. they sending you to OLS too? |
| 22:45.26 | sorphin | andersee: there goes our tax dollars :P |
| 22:45.35 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: yeah |
| 22:45.49 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: but now I'm an official government contractor |
| 22:46.07 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: get your line item in the budget yet? :) |
| 22:46.15 | TimRiker | andersee: you might get sorely out of touch with the community and waste tax dollars if you don't go to OLS. |
| 22:46.31 | andersee | TimRiker: Hmm, good point |
| 22:46.34 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: yup |
| 22:46.40 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: rock on! |
| 22:46.53 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: Codepoet Consulting (as seen in the Federal Budget) |
| 22:47.04 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: my contract is a 5 year, automagically renewing thing |
| 22:48.13 | sorphin | heh |
| 22:48.19 | sorphin | TimRiker: why so early? |
| 22:49.29 | TimRiker | http://www.linuxsymposium.org/2003/cfp.php <- publishing concerns etc. |
| 22:49.40 | sorphin | ah |
| 22:49.47 | TimRiker | July 23rd-26th, 2003 |
| 22:50.34 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: eh? |
| 22:50.41 | chouimat|bored | how much for ols? |
| 22:50.56 | andersee | TimRiker: " Tim Riker Texas Instruments Developing Mobile Devices based on Linux" |
| 22:50.58 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat|bored: no travel for you, eh? Just get on a bus |
| 22:51.19 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: 6 hours drive from Quebec City |
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| 22:51.48 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: thats nothing, where I'm from |
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| 22:59.31 | TimRiker | andersee: nice huh? ;-) you ought to go just for that talk. ;-) |
| 23:00.15 | kergoth | TimRiker: do we get to throw tomatoes? |
| 23:00.17 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:00.38 | TimRiker | kergoth: watch it, you might dirty your TI shirt |
| 23:01.00 | sorphin | TimRiker: he hasn't even been interviewed yet ;) |
| 23:01.06 | sorphin | you may end up hating him ;) |
| 23:01.14 | sorphin | after all, he is a digi-ite ;) |
| 23:01.20 | kergoth | shh |
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| 23:16.25 | sorphin | ~lart kergoth |
| 23:18.16 | kergoth | ~bitchslap ibot |
| 23:18.17 | | ACTION beats the sh*t out of ibot |
| 23:23.56 | CosmicPenguin | Hmm.... I'm gettting alot of port scans on really high UDP ports |
| 23:25.15 | CosmicPenguin | TimRiker: I was wondering why BZFlag kept poping up all the time |
| 23:25.17 | CosmicPenguin | :) |
| 23:25.25 | TimRiker | heh |
| 23:26.00 | TimRiker | current CVS has a "follow the winner" mode that makes for a nice screensaver. |
| 23:26.24 | TimRiker | I talked it into tunneling out through the http-connect firewall here. amusing. |
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| 23:30.54 | chouimat|away | kergoth: still having fun with libtool? |
| 23:31.05 | CosmicPenguin | if /me had a magic lamp, one of my wishes would be to make libtool disappear |
| 23:31.08 | kergoth | 'fun' wouldnt exactly be my choice of words |
| 23:33.07 | mallum | kergoth: hey mr |
| 23:33.23 | mallum | kergoth: I fixed matchbox and totally overhauled the rxvt package today |
| 23:33.46 | kergoth | yay |
| 23:34.19 | kergoth | cc1: unrecognized option `-fno-implicit-templates' |
| 23:34.19 | kergoth | make[5]: *** [cxa_demangle.lo] Error 1 |
| 23:34.21 | kergoth | whee |
| 23:36.30 | mallum | kergoth: one quick que for you, I had to locally hack the libgcc package the other day to get it to build |
| 23:36.47 | mallum | kergoth: now when I bk pull its says; |
| 23:37.00 | mallum | =================================== ERROR ==================================== |
| 23:37.00 | mallum | takepatch: packages/libgcc1/SCCS/s.Makefile is edited and modified; unsafe to overwrite. |
| 23:37.00 | mallum | takepatch: patch left in PENDING/2003-04-29.02 |
| 23:37.00 | mallum | ============================================================================== |
| 23:37.05 | kergoth | yes |
| 23:37.11 | kergoth | you have to check in your changes or ditch them |
| 23:37.18 | kergoth | in order for it to deal with merges |
| 23:37.23 | kergoth | either ci it or unedit it |
| 23:37.41 | mallum | bk unedit ? |
| 23:38.46 | kergoth | yep |
| 23:38.50 | kergoth | that'll ditch your local changes |
| 23:38.58 | kergoth | and remove the checked out version of the file |
| 23:40.04 | mallum | cool done and pushed |
| 23:40.20 | mallum | it wierd I actually quite enjoy putting stuff in the buildroot |
| 23:40.48 | mallum | you get a very accomplished feeling when something goes right |
| 23:41.06 | mallum | and lots of little problems to solve, that arn't too stressful |
| 23:41.12 | mallum | kind of like a game of super mario |
| 23:41.26 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:41.36 | kergoth | buildroot is like a game of super mario. thats .. interesting |
| 23:45.20 | glytchbinary | damn gcc takes a long time to build... |
| 23:45.34 | kergoth | i built gcc 8 times today so far |
| 23:45.38 | kergoth | thank god for ccache, i gotta say |
| 23:45.50 | glytchbinary | (: , what on earth would make you build gcc 8 times in a day |
| 23:45.57 | glytchbinary | working on gcc itself? |
| 23:47.28 | kergoth | glytchbinary: nah, crosscompiling gcc 3.2.3ds9-1 from debian's package pool |
| 23:47.45 | kergoth | glytchbinary: had to fight libtool a fair bit to prevent /usr/lib from leaking into libtool's libdir path, thereby hosing the build for libstdc++ |
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