| 00:02.08 | sorphin | ya |
| 00:02.26 | file | the libc4/libc5 ld.so doesn't work in Gentoo, just my luck |
| 00:03.29 | kergoth | sorphin: good, so this numbnuts seeing a undefined __divi3 is because he's a dumbass and the symbols leaked into a shared lib in his toolchain |
| 00:04.31 | sorphin | nod |
| 00:04.48 | sorphin | kergoth: ya know, i can't figure out their cradle design |
| 00:05.13 | sorphin | they had caps/0 ohm'ers, what looked like a rectifier and such |
| 00:05.28 | sorphin | dunno why, other than for toggling the wakeup line, i dunno |
| 00:06.15 | kergoth | odd |
| 00:10.04 | CosmicPenguin | What is everyones prefered memory usage for the Z? |
| 00:10.58 | sorphin | ? |
| 00:11.17 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website/content/installguide |
| 00:11.57 | CosmicPenguin | You have to choose between the system memory and the storage ram |
| 00:12.03 | sorphin | right |
| 00:12.16 | sorphin | and they recommend one for "newbies" persay |
| 00:13.36 | sorphin | For a new user, we suggest that those using an SL-5000D use the 26-6 kernel, whilst those using an SL-5500 use the 40-24 kernel. |
| 00:13.48 | sorphin | tho, if you have CF or such |
| 00:13.58 | sorphin | taht's obviously easier changed |
| 00:14.27 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah |
| 00:14.39 | chouimat|tv | sorphin: sl5000d use 32-0 |
| 00:14.41 | jacques | CosmicPenguin: I just saw your comment about VIA :-\ |
| 00:15.13 | jacques | CosmicPenguin: so when they say full xfree driver they mean unaccelerated? |
| 00:15.16 | sorphin | chouimat|tv: well, i don't have a 5000 |
| 00:15.21 | sorphin | i was just pasting what the page says |
| 00:15.38 | chouimat|tv | sorphin: I have a 5000d so I use 32-0 :) |
| 00:15.54 | sorphin | chouimat|tv: well, you also have less ram ;) |
| 00:15.56 | CosmicPenguin | My image + kernel seems to be about 15MB together |
| 00:16.04 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: cool |
| 00:16.06 | CosmicPenguin | so I guess the 40-24 is the right answer |
| 00:16.16 | CosmicPenguin | Or am I reading that wrong? |
| 00:16.22 | chouimat|tv | I would use the 64-00 :) |
| 00:16.32 | sorphin | chouimat|tv: heh |
| 00:16.37 | CosmicPenguin | Ok - so whats the difference? |
| 00:16.37 | jacques | CosmicPenguin: did you ever hear back fro mthe VIA person who was asking for driver developres? |
| 00:16.41 | sorphin | chouimat|tv: either watch tv or rename :P |
| 00:16.42 | CosmicPenguin | jacques: never |
| 00:16.52 | jacques | grrrr |
| 00:16.54 | chouimat|tv | sorphin: back to tv :P |
| 00:16.58 | jacques | bastages |
| 00:17.05 | CosmicPenguin | What is the second number for anyway? A ramdisk? |
| 00:17.24 | sorphin | example |
| 00:17.25 | sorphin | zImage-5500-64memory-0storage.bin |
| 00:17.35 | sorphin | 64/0 memory/storage |
| 00:17.57 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: yeah - but what does storage mean? Doesn't it have a persistant flash |
| 00:18.03 | sorphin | yes |
| 00:18.08 | sorphin | but it has a ramdisk like you mentioned |
| 00:18.18 | sorphin | that's where all your 'user stuff' is stored w/ the sharp rom |
| 00:18.30 | sorphin | and why the flash is unwriteable |
| 00:18.38 | CosmicPenguin | Ahh - I see |
| 00:18.52 | sorphin | oz you don't have to do it that way |
| 00:18.54 | CosmicPenguin | So if you want to make a change, it has to be reflashed? |
| 00:18.59 | sorphin | if you don't want |
| 00:19.03 | sorphin | w/ the sharp rom, yes |
| 00:19.10 | CosmicPenguin | but OZ uses jffs2 |
| 00:19.19 | CosmicPenguin | So with OZ, you shouldn't have any storage at all |
| 00:21.06 | sorphin | well |
| 00:21.15 | sorphin | that doesn't mean you wanna shove everything in the Z's flash |
| 00:22.52 | CosmicPenguin | So if you choose 0 storage, it will stick all the logs and stuff in flash too |
| 00:22.55 | CosmicPenguin | > |
| 00:22.56 | CosmicPenguin | ? |
| 00:24.00 | sorphin | taht'd be a kergoth Q |
| 00:24.34 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: so chouimat|tv suggests 64-0. What do you recommend? |
| 00:25.16 | sorphin | and go from there |
| 00:26.51 | sorphin | http://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website/content/download <-- it kinda details it on that page, that's where it has the 40-24 suggestion too |
| 00:28.25 | CosmicPenguin | yeah - I figured it out |
| 00:28.58 | sorphin | nod |
| 00:29.15 | sorphin | i'm just annoyed now, cuz now i have to rig up the usb :P |
| 00:29.19 | CosmicPenguin | Hmm.... I guess I'm not as cool as I thought |
| 00:29.24 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: ? |
| 00:35.36 | kergoth`bbl | CosmicPenguin: there arent any logs. but if there were, they'd be in /var, which is ramfs. |
| 00:35.51 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: If Qtopia and Opie can fit in 16MB - then so should Pixil |
| 00:36.06 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: yup |
| 00:36.18 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth`tv: Now I understand - it was a bit confusing until I found the right web page |
| 00:36.25 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: and I barely fit |
| 00:36.35 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: that w/ or w/o uclibc? |
| 00:53.54 | CosmicPenguin | w/o uclibc |
| 00:57.13 | sorphin | ah |
| 00:57.23 | sorphin | not bad for glibc |
| 00:57.43 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah, but if QT can do it... :* |
| 00:57.44 | CosmicPenguin | :( |
| 00:58.17 | sorphin | nod |
| 01:20.18 | Morn | 10 mintues left on this auction |
| 01:25.47 | file | Morn: I was going to go to sleep, but I'm going to wait to see if you win it :) |
| 01:26.02 | Morn | :-) |
| 01:26.12 | Morn | 3 minutes left |
| 01:26.16 | Morn | I'm still high bidder |
| 01:26.59 | MonMotha | ok, eagle's lib editor has problems |
| 01:27.09 | MonMotha | it suffers from the "beign too smart for it's own good" problem |
| 01:28.15 | Morn | that's my problem with the AirCard 555 software |
| 01:29.07 | file | oh darn now I remember what I was going to do |
| 01:29.39 | MonMotha | well, I'm trying to define a new package for the 83C451...they have 68PLCC (which is it available in), and I want to put it in 64 pin DIP (which it is also available in; I have one) |
| 01:29.51 | MonMotha | th eproblem is, it's saying there's not enough pins |
| 01:30.05 | chouimat|tv | neptune? |
| 01:30.11 | Morn | ugh |
| 01:30.15 | MonMotha | thing is, when you get it in DIP packaging, one port (I think 3, but doesn't matter) loses 4 bits to make it fit and eagle doesn't like that |
| 01:30.20 | Morn | someone bid $215 with 1 second left |
| 01:30.21 | Morn | :-( |
| 01:30.31 | file | Morn: damn |
| 01:32.24 | file | such a conundrum for you... |
| 01:34.52 | Morn | yay! |
| 01:34.55 | Morn | I won another one |
| 01:34.58 | Morn | slightly more |
| 01:34.59 | Morn | but I got it! |
| 01:35.10 | file | :) |
| 01:35.15 | file | Congrats! |
| 01:35.16 | Morn | $220 |
| 01:36.18 | Morn | shoot the guy only accepts check or money order |
| 01:36.40 | file | Morn: :( |
| 01:38.39 | Morn | hmmm... the checkout seems to indicate that he'll accept paypal if it is a debit or bank account, but not credit card |
| 01:38.48 | Morn | so I sent him a message for clarification |
| 01:38.59 | file | Morn: good man/person |
| 01:39.30 | file | well I must seek sleep, but before I go - if you find what you seek in life, why live? |
| 01:40.09 | chouimat|tv | file: to have hot sex everyday? |
| 01:40.26 | file | chouimat|tv: like that'll happen |
| 01:40.48 | chouimat|tv | file: never give up ;P |
| 01:41.12 | file | a girl in tech class today asked me all kinds of questions about sex... it was odd - wasn't expecting it |
| 01:41.41 | chouimat|tv | file: hehe :) |
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| 01:55.43 | file | I keep meaning to go to sleep, but I keep getting caught up in more stuff |
| 01:56.46 | Morn | someone the other night mentioned a video editing tool for linux? |
| 01:56.49 | Morn | I don't recall the name |
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| 02:23.07 | sorphin | Morn: GOPChop ? |
| 02:23.17 | Morn | no, it was something else |
| 02:23.25 | Morn | linux video something, or something like that |
| 02:23.29 | Morn | Russ mentioned it |
| 02:23.29 | sorphin | wasn't anything i toldyou about then |
| 02:23.51 | sorphin | a |
| 02:23.52 | sorphin | ah |
| 02:24.05 | sorphin | if ibot was still here, should be in his logs |
| 02:33.29 | Morn | I wanted to see if I used transcode to re-encode the PVR video files if I could edit them |
| 02:33.38 | Morn | but I can't even remember how to use transcode! |
| 02:33.48 | sorphin | haha |
| 02:52.03 | sorphin | kergoth: what's up over there digiboy? |
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| 03:14.13 | kergoth | sorphin: nada, eatin dinner |
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| 03:48.52 | Russ | Morn: linux video studio |
| 03:49.15 | Morn | Russ: thanks, I'll look for it |
| 03:50.07 | kergoth | fucking usb-storage. |
| 03:50.09 | kergoth | grr |
| 03:50.11 | Morn | transcode is taking FOREVER to re-encode this file |
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| 03:56.50 | Morn | transcode transcoded it upside down |
| 03:56.52 | Morn | sigh |
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| 04:05.55 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 04:07.44 | Morn | Russ: it appears the site that had Linux Video Studio is down or gone |
| 04:10.12 | sorphin | kergoth: yup |
| 04:10.30 | sorphin | kergoth: wondering if the firewire since it doesn't have a module like usb-storage is more reliable |
| 04:12.11 | sorphin | hmm |
| 04:12.17 | sorphin | my Z has some weird virus :P |
| 04:18.02 | Morn | Mem: 1032504 1014880 17624 0 20528 835048 |
| 04:18.12 | Morn | 800+meg cached!!!! |
| 04:18.15 | Morn | sheesh |
| 04:18.19 | sorphin | Morn: heh |
| 04:18.23 | sorphin | Morn: i've had more :P |
| 04:29.07 | sorphin | hmm |
| 04:29.19 | sorphin | the openzaurus virus is on my Z ;) |
| 04:36.54 | sorphin | kergoth: yo |
| 04:39.56 | kergoth | hey |
| 04:40.12 | sorphin | kergoth: you and i need to have a talk about your timezones :P |
| 04:40.42 | kergoth | heh, its opie's timezones ipk |
| 04:40.53 | kergoth | one of these days i'll make more granular packages |
| 04:40.55 | sorphin | well it fucking sucks ;) |
| 04:41.02 | sorphin | even SHARP has st louis :P |
| 04:41.25 | sorphin | opie's is more obscure places that don't even fall in central time :P |
| 04:41.39 | kergoth | just hit chicago |
| 04:41.45 | kergoth | if you need a central location |
| 04:41.47 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:41.54 | sorphin | didn't see it :P |
| 04:43.07 | sorphin | k |
| 04:46.09 | sorphin | kergoth: think there's any point in continuing now my mmap bit? |
| 04:47.01 | sorphin | heh |
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| 13:09.00 | prpplague | morning all |
| 13:09.09 | sjhill | hi |
| 13:09.36 | sjhill | prpplague: resume looks good except that you use present tense in some descriptions and past tense in others...make your verbage consistent |
| 13:10.59 | prpplague | sjhill: ok thanks |
| 13:11.19 | sjhill | sure |
| 13:11.38 | prpplague | sjhill: now if only TimRiker is as impressed :) |
| 13:14.16 | chouimat | morning |
| 13:16.26 | prpplague | chouimat: morning |
| 13:16.41 | prpplague | chouimat: hows life in .ca this morning? |
| 13:17.20 | chouimat | prpplague: raining |
| 13:23.10 | MornWork | morning |
| 13:23.32 | MornWork | turns out the guy I'm buying the Z from accepts PayPal IF you have a bank account on it |
| 13:24.02 | MornWork | any iPAQ guru's around? |
| 13:25.37 | prpplague | MornWork: does that mean no z? |
| 13:26.29 | MornWork | no, I have a bank account on my PayPal |
| 13:26.36 | MornWork | I'm just working out the shipping with the person |
| 13:26.43 | MornWork | I'll pay to have it shipped faster |
| 13:31.55 | chouimat | brb need coffee |
| 13:32.17 | prpplague | MornWork: ok cool |
| 13:44.49 | chouimat | http://lwn.net/Articles/29829/ |
| 13:48.23 | chouimat | ok according to this law plug my cable tv into my ati tv wonder is illegal because I can descramble paytv |
| 13:49.47 | prpplague | chouimat: yep |
| 13:50.05 | prpplague | chouimat: as well as using vpn, encrypted email, nat |
| 13:50.43 | chouimat | prpplague: is it my or the USA are becoming more idiot with the time? |
| 13:52.15 | chouimat | prpplague: they can pass to stupids laws ... they will be easier target for cyber terrorism but they don't seems to understand that |
| 13:52.39 | prpplague | chouimat: nope, not your imagination |
| 13:52.49 | prpplague | chouimat: and nope again, they don't understand |
| 13:53.20 | chouimat | ok ... good canada money will soon worth more than us dollar .... :) |
| 13:53.24 | prpplague | chouimat: ppl who are technical are looked at by ppl in the US like the techno mages in babylon5 |
| 13:53.30 | prpplague | chouimat: they work magic |
| 13:53.58 | prpplague | chouimat: 98% US citizens have not earthly idea what goes on in the world |
| 13:53.59 | chouimat | prpplague: i know ... and what you don't understand you destroy it |
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| 13:54.35 | chouimat | prpplague: an american with idea ???? I thought they we're all killed in the 19th century |
| 13:54.41 | chouimat | hey TomW |
| 13:55.03 | TomW | chouimat: you bashing us yanks again? ;) |
| 13:55.15 | chouimat | TomW: http://lwn.net/Articles/29829/ :) |
| 13:55.33 | chouimat | TomW: just being ironic :) |
| 13:55.37 | TomW | oh, so you have something on authority,eh? |
| 13:55.45 | TomW | heh |
| 13:55.55 | chouimat | TomW: nah! just stupids laws .... |
| 13:56.42 | TomW | mmm, DMCA certainly does show that our politicians are people of exceptionally high greed and low intelligence. |
| 13:57.37 | TomW | Somehow, we seem to have lost that "of the People, for the People and by the People" thing. |
| 13:57.55 | TomW | prpplague: dave, you around? |
| 13:58.24 | chouimat | TomW: could be worse |
| 13:58.44 | TomW | yeah, I could have been born a Muslim... |
| 13:59.07 | TomW | er, I could have been born in a Muslim country. |
| 13:59.10 | chouimat | TomW: or a muslim woman :) |
| 13:59.17 | TomW | ow, ow ow |
| 14:00.03 | CosmicPenguin | morning |
| 14:00.08 | TomW | I don't know how liberated that would be: keep the woman barefoot & pregnant, or, pregnant & working? |
| 14:00.29 | TomW | Morn: you want to weigh in on this? |
| 14:00.33 | chouimat | TomW: it's decided next life I'm reincarning in a cat |
| 14:00.43 | TomW | uhhuh |
| 14:00.56 | TomW | chouimat: a male cat |
| 14:01.19 | chouimat | TomW: yup |
| 14:01.35 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: good morning, I think |
| 14:01.59 | TomW | weatherbot: weather kabe |
| 14:02.01 | weatherbot | Current conditions at Allentown, Lehigh Valley International Airport, PA, United States: It is 6 C (43 F), windspeed is 25.75 km/h, and visibility is 16.09 km. (Information current as of 2003.04.23 1351 UTC). |
| 14:02.11 | TomW | mmm, it is morning, yes. |
| 14:02.11 | chouimat | weatherbot: weather cyqb |
| 14:03.00 | TomW | my eyes hurt today, must have been all that driving I did yesterday to get to the customer site. |
| 14:03.09 | chouimat | weatherbot weather cyqb |
| 14:03.42 | TomW | chouimat: you have no weather today, I would not recommend that you leave your house! |
| 14:04.08 | chouimat | TomW: I'm getting rain all the week ... |
| 14:04.13 | TomW | chouimat: you could find yourself stepping out into the "unkown" of a Dark Space. |
| 14:04.53 | chouimat | TomW: ok since I got good news yesterday ... I want to enjoy it a little :) |
| 14:05.07 | TomW | chouimat: what news is that? |
| 14:05.26 | chouimat | TomW: paying less taxes than I thought |
| 14:05.31 | TomW | hah |
| 14:05.49 | chouimat | TomW: something like 10x less .... |
| 14:05.49 | TomW | so, you still have money eh? |
| 14:06.08 | TomW | ... can still purchase food, pay rent, etc. |
| 14:06.08 | chouimat | TomW: yup ... I sending thhe money order tomorrow |
| 14:06.37 | chouimat | TomW: can take 5 months off |
| 14:06.47 | TomW | chouimat: email me your address again, I'll send it out today to get it out of here. |
| 14:07.01 | chouimat | ok |
| 14:07.04 | CosmicPenguin | Grrr.... |
| 14:07.29 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: what's up? |
| 14:07.51 | chouimat | TomW: email? |
| 14:07.58 | TomW | ibot: tomw |
| 14:07.59 | | i guess tomw is at tom@openhardware.net |
| 14:08.11 | prpplague | TomW: what up? |
| 14:08.18 | TomW | prpplague: dcc |
| 14:08.24 | TomW | prpplague: ? |
| 14:09.02 | prpplague | TomW: in FW handicapped |
| 14:09.12 | prpplague | s/in/i'm |
| 14:09.21 | prpplague | TomW: you can just /msg me |
| 14:09.47 | chouimat | TomW: send |
| 14:09.50 | CosmicPenguin | Stupid jewelry supplier |
| 14:10.05 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: problem?? |
| 14:11.53 | chouimat | prpplague: got time to pl;ay with the gp32? |
| 14:12.14 | prpplague | chouimat: not till next week |
| 14:13.39 | chouimat | prpplague: ok I'm wondering if I get one of those or I get a Dreamcast or both of them |
| 14:15.17 | CosmicPenguin | ok, spilt milk, spilt milk.... |
| 14:15.22 | CosmicPenguin | How are you guys doing today? |
| 14:15.28 | chouimat | http://www.charmedlabs.com/productsmain.htm |
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| 14:21.50 | TomW | ibot: prpplague |
| 14:21.51 | | methinks prpplague is mailto:dave123@abcsinc.com or Dave Anders |
| 14:22.58 | sorphin | hmm |
| 14:26.13 | sorphin | TomW: morning tommy |
| 14:26.39 | sjhill | ibot: sjhill |
| 14:26.40 | | rumour has it, sjhill is mailto:sjhill@realitydiluted.com and a MIPS wh*re |
| 14:26.53 | sorphin | sjhill: kergoth put that btw, not me |
| 14:27.04 | sjhill | heh, i don't mind it |
| 14:27.08 | sorphin | ibot wouldn't take whore :P |
| 14:27.09 | | sorphin: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 14:27.12 | TomW | sorphin: hey Danny |
| 14:27.25 | sjhill | lol |
| 14:27.33 | sorphin | TomW: still awtching these 2465s, etc |
| 14:27.42 | sorphin | ibot: die |
| 14:27.43 | | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 14:28.13 | sorphin | one ends in 3 hours 31 mins |
| 14:28.23 | sorphin | a 465b in 5 hours |
| 14:28.41 | sorphin | and there's another B that's a bit more but it now :P |
| 14:28.56 | sorphin | TomW: heh, 2 2465's ended yesterday.. both near 600 :P |
| 14:32.43 | TomW | sorphin: it is a nice scope though. |
| 14:32.56 | sorphin | TomW: well, i don't have $600 :P |
| 14:33.04 | TomW | sorphin: at least you are getting an idea of what it is worth. |
| 14:33.15 | sorphin | TomW: and after seeing that 465b w/ extras for only $199 :P |
| 14:33.22 | sorphin | i'm a bit leary of some of htese |
| 14:34.13 | TomW | sorphin: yeah, that is why I recommend you look to a calibration shop and see what they have in your price range. At least, you have someone local that you can go back to if it doesn't work correctly. |
| 14:34.17 | sorphin | TomW: there's a buyitnow on a 465b w/ probes for 289, otherwise it's 219 atm w/ 4 days left too, but i'm gonna try for the ones ending today |
| 14:34.25 | sorphin | TomW: heh, i hit a local place |
| 14:34.32 | sorphin | they had super old shit |
| 14:34.36 | sorphin | that was way over priced |
| 14:34.39 | TomW | :( |
| 14:35.11 | TomW | sorphin: maybe you were not meant to own a scope? |
| 14:35.16 | TomW | heh |
| 14:35.31 | sorphin | ibot: thwap tomw |
| 14:35.32 | | sorphin: are you using Windows? |
| 14:35.39 | sorphin | ~lart tomw |
| 14:35.45 | sorphin | :P |
| 14:36.00 | sorphin | TomW: in good news i recovered my zaurus last night :P |
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| 14:36.15 | sorphin | BZFlag: morning |
| 14:36.31 | TomW | sorphin: that's ok, my head feels that way this morning, like I have a hangover. But, it was from all the carbs I ate yesterday, not booze. |
| 14:36.48 | sorphin | heh |
| 14:36.53 | chouimat | ewww crabs |
| 14:36.57 | sorphin | TomW: suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure ya alchi |
| 14:37.03 | *** mode/#eLinux [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 14:37.29 | sorphin | TimRiker: recovered my z last night :) (turns out only the zimage was hosed, which i found via diag mode) |
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| 14:37.41 | sorphin | so now it's running OZ :P |
| 14:37.50 | TimRiker | sweet |
| 14:38.06 | prpplague | TimRiker: morning |
| 14:38.16 | sorphin | prpplague: we're surrounded |
| 14:38.48 | TimRiker | heh |
| 14:39.05 | sorphin | :) |
| 14:39.31 | chouimat | wow! just got a call from QNX |
| 14:39.34 | sorphin | ah, only on /., guy claims kiddie pr0n pics on his machine were put there by a virus and the judge buys it :P |
| 14:40.55 | chouimat | sorphin: wow! |
| 14:41.09 | sorphin | chouimat: he wasn't merkin tho, so can't blame us ;) |
| 14:41.55 | chouimat | sorphin: I don't have nay comments beside the judge was a moron |
| 14:42.03 | sorphin | yeah |
| 14:45.36 | CosmicPenguin | Ok - so I have a plugin that is comprised of two object files of size 10404 and 6832 |
| 14:45.48 | CosmicPenguin | And when they are compiled into the plugin, the .so is 128356 bytes |
| 14:45.53 | CosmicPenguin | on the Strongarm |
| 14:46.04 | CosmicPenguin | but on the X86 - the plugin is 15452 bytes |
| 14:46.08 | CosmicPenguin | WTF? |
| 14:46.24 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: ldd on the arm version |
| 14:46.39 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: segfaults - it doesn't like the .so for some reason |
| 14:47.25 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: the arm-ldd? |
| 14:47.42 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: plus, its not the shared libraries that are the problem, its the libraries that are being included that suck |
| 14:48.11 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: ok |
| 14:48.19 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm..... |
| 15:01.32 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: hmmm - oddly, it seems to be pulling in some of the system calls |
| 15:06.25 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: weird |
| 15:10.03 | CosmicPenguin | quite annoying |
| 15:10.39 | CosmicPenguin | buh-bye qtopia! |
| 15:10.50 | sorphin | *g* |
| 15:11.07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hows pixil ala z? |
| 15:13.22 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: depressing |
| 15:13.25 | sorphin | prpplague: i think the mention of pixil woke morn up |
| 15:13.27 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: its huge! |
| 15:13.36 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I am a failure |
| 15:13.56 | sieve | morning all |
| 15:13.56 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: nah |
| 15:14.03 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: once we can debloat it |
| 15:14.23 | CosmicPenguin | the entire pixil directory is 5.3MB |
| 15:14.44 | sorphin | nod |
| 15:14.53 | CosmicPenguin | 1.1 of that is the problem that i mentioned above - the plugins are hugely bloated for some reason |
| 15:15.00 | CosmicPenguin | unless |
| 15:15.44 | sorphin | unless? |
| 15:16.01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: so played with your z much yet? |
| 15:16.14 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: unless I compile the plugins with gcc instead... :) |
| 15:16.22 | sorphin | prpplague: he installed pixil on it i think, i know he atleast put oz on it |
| 15:16.31 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: as opposed to.. |
| 15:16.32 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: belay that - unless I link the plugins with gcc instead |
| 15:16.41 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: its flashing as we speak |
| 15:16.45 | CosmicPenguin | I think |
| 15:17.14 | sorphin | prpplague: i get to have fun rigging up a cable now :P |
| 15:17.27 | CosmicPenguin | THe lights just went out - I assume its done flashing at that point |
| 15:17.36 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: yup |
| 15:17.41 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: now do a full reset |
| 15:21.07 | sorphin | i will never understand why people bid hours out :P |
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| 15:21.25 | sorphin | 2 hours 35 mins left on this thing and it's been bumped up twice |
| 15:21.35 | sorphin | stupid price jumpers |
| 15:21.54 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: so.. what other than gcc were you using then? :P |
| 15:24.11 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I was using g++ to link it |
| 15:24.29 | sorphin | ick |
| 15:24.37 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I agree |
| 15:25.06 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: just calling g++ added 50% bloat :P |
| 15:25.08 | CosmicPenguin | well, OZ is running - I have other work to do, but once I get USB networking up and going, I can start pixil |
| 15:25.24 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: the thing is - they are G++ object files, so thats why I was using it to link the .so |
| 15:25.31 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: usb networking was easy thankfully |
| 15:25.36 | sorphin | i just gotta make a cable again |
| 15:25.41 | kergoth`zzz | CosmicPenguin: gcc links c++ just fine. the only diff is g++ pulls in libstdc++ implicitly |
| 15:25.52 | sorphin | speaking of OZ |
| 15:25.53 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: thats exactly what I was seeing |
| 15:25.54 | sorphin | allo kergoth |
| 15:25.54 | CosmicPenguin | :) |
| 15:26.11 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I gotta hit the kernel code too to write the keyboard and touchscreen stubs for MW |
| 15:26.21 | sorphin | ah |
| 15:26.24 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: fun |
| 15:26.43 | sorphin | sounds like a day of pixiling to me |
| 15:27.00 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: actually - I'm working on sync right now - thats no fun what soever |
| 15:27.22 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: never said fun |
| 15:27.29 | sorphin | just pixiling |
| 15:27.30 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: doing the Z stuff is fun |
| 15:28.13 | prpplague | kergoth: argh, guess i'm gonna have to call deb.........i'm getting digi spam now :( |
| 15:28.25 | sorphin | ugh |
| 15:28.30 | sorphin | that's the worst kind ;) |
| 15:28.38 | kergoth | prpplague: hah |
| 15:28.49 | kergoth | bleh, meeting |
| 15:28.53 | kergoth | bbl |
| 15:29.24 | CosmicPenguin | sigh - I'll bet adding the networking stuff puts me over the top... :( |
| 15:30.04 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: maybe unimplicitly including libstdc will put you back down++ |
| 15:30.12 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: a bit |
| 15:30.38 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I'm still way over bloated - because G++ will have to be used, and if it pulls in libstdc++ implictly all over the place, then doom on me |
| 15:31.02 | sorphin | well |
| 15:31.11 | sorphin | umm |
| 15:31.13 | CosmicPenguin | Of course, 90% of the time, I am using CXX to link |
| 15:31.18 | sorphin | think there' a flag to remove that |
| 15:35.01 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: -nostdlib ? |
| 15:35.09 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: no - because that will exclude all the other libraries too |
| 15:35.26 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: libstdc++ isn't bad - I use it all over the place, I just wait it to be shared |
| 15:35.46 | sorphin | ah |
| 15:35.50 | sorphin | you can do that |
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| 15:48.14 | dsmith | Howdy people. Anyone awake? |
| 15:48.44 | prpplague | dsmith: no, we all went home, lol |
| 15:49.01 | dsmith | heh, figured |
| 15:49.17 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I resemble that remark - I am at home... :) |
| 15:50.35 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i thought -shared would stop it from dragging in stdc++, well, unless the shared lib wasn't available |
| 15:52.47 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I think its a G++ issue |
| 15:52.54 | sorphin | nod |
| 15:53.06 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: when i compile with gcc and pull in -lstdc++, life is much smaller |
| 15:53.31 | sorphin | well, if that works, then i say just stick w/ that approach |
| 15:58.00 | prpplague | yikes, sieve host the network :( |
| 15:58.02 | prpplague | s/host/hosed |
| 15:58.09 | sorphin | prpplague: eh? |
| 16:01.26 | prpplague | sorphin: sieve installed a box with the same ip as our default gateway :( |
| 16:01.32 | kergoth | hah |
| 16:01.33 | sorphin | doh |
| 16:01.47 | sorphin | atleast windows bitches if you do that |
| 16:02.20 | prpplague | sorphin: ya well, rhat 7.3 does too, this was an older box |
| 16:02.34 | sorphin | ah |
| 16:04.19 | sorphin | prpplague: did you slap him around? |
| 16:04.45 | prpplague | sorphin: later |
| 16:04.52 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: that saved me about 600k |
| 16:04.53 | prpplague | sorphin: when he's not looking |
| 16:05.03 | sorphin | prpplague: ah |
| 16:05.18 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: hey, 600k can make the difference |
| 16:05.30 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I want it down around 3MB without uclibc |
| 16:05.40 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:05.41 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: plus, i didn't build in nxbill or ViewML in this one |
| 16:05.44 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: or the sync |
| 16:06.06 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: or doom - but that doesn't really count because of the .WAD |
| 16:06.07 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: what's the prob w/ using uclibc now? still b0rked? |
| 16:06.18 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: ?? thats a kergoth question |
| 16:06.39 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:06.55 | sorphin | i meant w/ pixil |
| 16:07.01 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: it works fine with pixil |
| 16:07.29 | sorphin | um.. ok.. |
| 16:28.23 | sieve | prpplague: yea so I bo0bo0'd... so shoot me. |
| 16:28.36 | prpplague | sieve: later |
| 16:28.53 | prpplague | sieve: no old cask barley wine for you |
| 16:29.15 | sieve | prpplague: mmmmmmmmmmm.. barley wine |
| 16:33.42 | sorphin | ibot: shoot sieve |
| 16:33.43 | | ACTION shoots sieve in the head. |
| 16:50.36 | mallum | prpplague: hey mr, you know the guy that runs Linux Devices ? |
| 16:50.50 | mallum | prpplague: I just submitted a stroy for mb 0.5 release |
| 16:50.58 | TomW | mallum: he is a ham radio guy as well. |
| 16:51.30 | TomW | mallum: I've chatted with him via email, he is a good egg. |
| 16:52.41 | sorphin | TomW: heh, just cuz i am eating free food like the rest of the group means nothign |
| 16:53.13 | TomW | IMO, the number of perks that they give you is inversely proportional to the krap you have to put up with. |
| 16:53.32 | TomW | s/inversely// |
| 16:53.35 | sorphin | TomW: i have more perks than yo ucna imagine :P |
| 16:53.50 | TomW | ah, job sux that much, eh? |
| 16:53.59 | TomW | heh |
| 16:54.12 | sorphin | TomW: my hours are 9-5 for a reason ;) |
| 16:55.08 | sorphin | TomW: don't you mean cenil(sp) |
| 16:55.15 | TomW | well, this sux, my program did not monitor the link heartbeat when I connected it to the customer equipment, but it works fine here on the workbench. :( |
| 16:55.29 | chouimat | ch |
| 16:55.35 | chouimat | ouch |
| 16:56.02 | mallum | prpplague: and he mailed me back asking if I'd like to right an article on matchbox, which of course I've already done , hehe |
| 16:56.12 | TomW | means I will have to drag 80+ pounds of freakin' fire panel into my workshop to see what is wrong. |
| 16:56.15 | sorphin | chouimat: where'd you go? off worshiping celine? |
| 16:56.23 | sorphin | TomW: doh |
| 16:56.28 | TomW | :( |
| 16:56.48 | chouimat | sorphin: was in the bathtub |
| 16:57.01 | sorphin | TomW: well, tomorrow i lug around 43lbs of microscope :) |
| 16:57.15 | TomW | I should charge them by the pound for this work, I'd be a rich man by now. Every one of these panels seem to weight at least 60 pounds, I had one that was over 100 lbs one time. |
| 16:57.47 | TomW | sorphin: yeah, but you'll do that with gladness in your heart... |
| 16:58.35 | sorphin | TomW: indeed |
| 16:59.28 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:59.42 | sorphin | Russ: c'mon, tell us how you really feel ;) |
| 17:02.00 | prpplague | mallum: ya he's been a little flaky since he started up the other site windowsdevices.com |
| 17:02.27 | TomW | abw == abi word? |
| 17:02.37 | sorphin | prolly |
| 17:03.20 | TomW | prpplague: IMO, he is hoping that Ziff-Davis purchases that site from him too? |
| 17:05.33 | mallum | prpplague: ah bad man, and its sponsered by the eeeevil empire |
| 17:06.46 | kergoth | yay |
| 17:06.49 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:06.53 | mallum | hehe |
| 17:07.02 | kergoth | X didnt want to build for me earlier |
| 17:07.09 | mallum | kergoth: bad X |
| 17:07.12 | kergoth | indeed |
| 17:07.14 | mallum | kergoth: what happened ? |
| 17:07.19 | kergoth | it likes me better now though |
| 17:07.35 | kergoth | mallum: it tried to build something in the staging install, which wasnt passed EXTRA_INCLUDES |
| 17:07.37 | mallum | "imake is my mate" |
| 17:07.45 | kergoth | simple fix |
| 17:07.51 | prpplague | TomW: ya i get that feeling too |
| 17:07.53 | sorphin | kergoth: is it safe to sync up BK atm, or do you have it horribly b0rked atm? :P |
| 17:08.06 | prpplague | kergoth: x for oz? |
| 17:08.26 | kergoth | prpplague: doing a gcc3 feed build for the c700, yes |
| 17:08.58 | kergoth | mallum: I have opie using vera by default now, looks much much less crappy than helvetica |
| 17:09.02 | kergoth | mallum: vera rocks. |
| 17:09.07 | TomW | mallum: nice thing about Rich, when you submit your article and if you are not a good journalist, he will edit & rewrite your copy to dress it up. |
| 17:09.11 | mallum | kergoth: thats wierd, was it just a case of adding extra_includes to make install ? |
| 17:09.15 | kergoth | mallum: yup |
| 17:09.25 | mallum | TomW: yes :-) thats what he did for me |
| 17:09.27 | prpplague | kergoth: ahh fun |
| 17:09.31 | mallum | TomW: he's a very nice guy |
| 17:09.34 | TomW | mallum: me also |
| 17:09.43 | mallum | kergoth: hmm, I thought I has it in there |
| 17:09.45 | prpplague | TomW: agreed |
| 17:09.52 | kergoth | prpplague: feed builds are always a pain. since we use the debian package pool, half the builds break due to old sources being yanked |
| 17:09.55 | kergoth | prpplague: heheh |
| 17:09.59 | kergoth | mallum: it was, but commented out.. dont ask me.. |
| 17:10.08 | TomW | sorphin: hey, I got a couple of those digiboards, can they be used for anything usefull? |
| 17:10.17 | prpplague | TomW: rick has always has been pretty vigilant about promoting embedded linux |
| 17:10.40 | sorphin | TomW: wall decoration? paper weights? holding up the wobbly leg of a table? |
| 17:10.46 | mallum | kergoth: yeah vera is nice, do you know why theres an extra vera package for opie ? |
| 17:10.49 | TomW | sorphin: k |
| 17:11.09 | mallum | kergoth: we should be able to use the same package ? theres nothing X or opie specific about it ? |
| 17:11.15 | kergoth | mallum: its qpfs, not ttfs |
| 17:11.23 | kergoth | mallum: most opie users dont have freetype installed at all |
| 17:11.27 | kergoth | mallum: they're prerendered |
| 17:12.07 | mallum | kergoth: aha okey , I wondered what qpf meant ;-) |
| 17:12.10 | kergoth | sorphin: buildroot's always in a state of flux. its not too bad atm |
| 17:12.19 | sorphin | kergoth: k |
| 17:12.57 | mallum | kergoth: I should probably check the task-x package has all the right deps if you building feeds |
| 17:13.24 | kergoth | mallum: thatd be a good idea. also, we need to figure out how to set the architecture field properly on x ipks |
| 17:13.45 | kergoth | mallum: the main X ipk that includes the kdrive bits needs to be dependent on the machine type in question. corgi, collie, what have you |
| 17:14.01 | kergoth | mallum: the rest should be dependent on armv4l or armv4l-xscale, due to the -march |
| 17:14.35 | mallum | kergoth: even the X package should be fine on all machine types |
| 17:14.51 | mallum | kergoth: its just the armv4-xscale bit that needs doing |
| 17:14.53 | sorphin | kergoth: remind me how to do an update? :P |
| 17:15.08 | kergoth | mallum: oh, good point, since you're using tslib.. |
| 17:15.16 | kergoth | cool |
| 17:15.25 | kergoth | sorphin: bk pull; bk -r co -q; |
| 17:15.30 | mallum | kergoth: I guess an extra sed line on each package control file should do it |
| 17:15.41 | kergoth | mallum: evil, but whatever works :) |
| 17:15.49 | mallum | kergoth: is it Arch: $(arch) which works ? |
| 17:15.58 | kergoth | Architecture: arch |
| 17:16.09 | kergoth | Architecture: $(Architecture) in yoru makefile |
| 17:16.17 | kergoth | it'll be set appropriately based on the selected optimizations used |
| 17:16.18 | mallum | kergoth: cool, I can add that now |
| 17:16.27 | kergoth | cool, thanks |
| 17:16.40 | mallum | kergoth: and I'll check the task-x deps |
| 17:22.09 | mallum | kergoth: oh 2 more quick questions while Im fixing this ... |
| 17:22.37 | mallum | kergoth: what do you use as maintainer name, and does OZ have a libgcc dep ? |
| 17:23.01 | kergoth | mallum: right now it doesnt, because we need to ensure it gets added to deps whhen building with gcc3 but not when building with gcc2 |
| 17:23.07 | kergoth | mallum: let me know if you have a good idea on how to do that :) |
| 17:24.06 | mallum | kergoth: yeah, Id say just make sure libgcc is part of the base and not worry about it |
| 17:24.16 | mallum | kergoth: its a pretty stupid library |
| 17:24.25 | kergoth | mallum: thats what i'm doing atm, is ensuring it ends up in the images |
| 17:24.32 | kergoth | still it should be fixed eventually |
| 17:25.19 | mallum | kergoth: okey, and what about defualt maintainer name for generated packages ? |
| 17:25.43 | kergoth | mallum: default is like OpenZaurus Team <openzaurus-users@lists.sf.net> or something very similar |
| 17:25.53 | kergoth | mallum: just set the Maintainer makefile variable to yourself for packages you maintain |
| 17:26.07 | mallum | kergoth: okey, whats that var ? |
| 17:26.11 | kergoth | Maintainer |
| 17:26.12 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:26.15 | mallum | hehe |
| 17:26.22 | mallum | with capital M ? |
| 17:26.32 | kergoth | yeah |
| 17:26.42 | kergoth | look in Rules.make for what other vars you can set in the ipk rule |
| 17:27.13 | mallum | okey will do |
| 17:28.54 | mallum | kergoth: also currently its only the actually x server binary that gets the arm optimisations |
| 17:29.09 | kergoth | k |
| 17:29.25 | mallum | kergoth: I havn't yet figured out how to pass the flags to the rest of the build without them getting into the bootstrap part too and messing that up :\ |
| 17:29.27 | kergoth | well, set the arch as appropriate. non optimized packages should be simply 'arm' |
| 17:30.33 | mallum | kergoth: okie, I've managed to do it before ( not with OZ ) but I cant remember what the damn host.def entry was :\ |
| 17:36.48 | MornWork | I just bought to handhelds in 24 hours |
| 17:36.58 | MornWork | I need my head examined... |
| 17:40.34 | mallum | MornWork: ooh what did you get ? |
| 17:41.29 | MornWork | I just got a new iPAQ 5455 |
| 17:41.33 | MornWork | with the trimmings |
| 17:42.16 | sorphin | cool |
| 17:42.30 | sorphin | Morn: you got that $130 Z ? |
| 17:42.44 | MornWork | no |
| 17:42.48 | MornWork | I got another one though |
| 17:42.50 | MornWork | more expensive |
| 17:42.52 | MornWork | $220 |
| 17:42.56 | sorphin | ugh |
| 17:43.13 | MornWork | the bidding went up at the last seconds |
| 17:43.21 | sorphin | and you got sucked intoa bid war :P |
| 17:43.31 | sorphin | didn't you |
| 17:43.44 | MornWork | I lost the one with the bidding war |
| 17:43.51 | MornWork | and I just bid $220 on the other one |
| 17:43.53 | MornWork | and I got it |
| 17:43.59 | sorphin | heh |
| 17:44.10 | sorphin | MornWork: i didn't and wouldn't pay that much :P |
| 17:44.17 | mallum | kergoth: oked I just pushed |
| 17:44.17 | sorphin | i'm just glad mine works again |
| 17:44.51 | sorphin | MornWork: so you'll be able to pixil the Z, but not your ipaq |
| 17:45.13 | MornWork | why not the ipaq? |
| 17:45.41 | sorphin | cp's ipaq pixil stuff only supports 6xxxsomthings |
| 17:46.03 | sorphin | i hitnk he said |
| 17:46.18 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I only can support those devices I have on site |
| 17:46.24 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: right |
| 17:46.31 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: until of course, the source code is released, then you're on your own... :) |
| 17:46.32 | MornWork | I have a 3635 ipaq as well |
| 17:46.37 | sorphin | which is why i said the 6xxxwhatever |
| 17:46.38 | MornWork | my original ipaq |
| 17:46.49 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: right? |
| 17:49.22 | MornWork | hmmm, someone in the building has a wireless access point |
| 17:49.33 | MornWork | the 5455 just connected |
| 17:54.05 | kergoth | /home/kergoth/oz/corgi/output/staging/usr/X11R6/lib/libXft.so: undefined reference to `XRenderFindFormat' |
| 17:54.10 | kergoth | mallum: that ring a bell? |
| 17:54.24 | kergoth | mallum: in the matchbox build |
| 17:55.03 | mallum | kergoth: no, one sec |
| 17:55.07 | kergoth | hmm |
| 17:56.41 | mallum | kergoth: yes, its linking to the wrong xft :( I will fix in a little bit - I have to pop out for a mo |
| 17:56.50 | kergoth | k |
| 17:56.57 | sorphin | TomW`drugs: around? |
| 18:04.44 | mallum | kergoth: I updated the matchbox version and some of the configure stuff changed, shouldn't be hard for me to fix in a bit |
| 18:04.49 | mallum | bbl |
| 18:06.30 | kergoth | k, later |
| 18:08.37 | CosmicPenguin | Is there nothing more depressing then putting so much work into code that you know will be replaced soon anyway? |
| 18:08.59 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: not really, no |
| 18:09.13 | kergoth | heheh |
| 18:09.55 | MornWork | I can't get this new iPAQ to charge the battery |
| 18:10.09 | sorphin | heh |
| 18:16.59 | signal11 | MornWork: that's apparently a common problem |
| 18:17.05 | signal11 | we have a bunch that won't charge |
| 18:17.24 | MornWork | any way to fix it? |
| 18:18.55 | signal11 | as far as I can tell, new battery, $50 |
| 18:19.06 | signal11 | and you can get one that lasts twice as long for like $100 |
| 18:20.01 | MornWork | well, I have 'insurance' on the unit |
| 18:20.09 | MornWork | if it doesn't work they'll have to replace it |
| 18:20.53 | sorphin | heh |
| 18:20.58 | sorphin | MornWork: thorugh who? |
| 18:21.13 | MornWork | CompUSA |
| 18:21.48 | sorphin | ah, in otherwords you overpaid ;) |
| 18:22.26 | MornWork | Not if you factor in "I want it NOW!" cost :-) |
| 18:22.43 | MornWork | but it appears to charge (at leas the the LED is blinking) if you use the dongle |
| 18:22.48 | MornWork | not the cradle |
| 18:22.53 | sorphin | heh |
| 18:23.04 | sorphin | bad cradle? |
| 18:23.34 | MornWork | no a quic search of the web shows this is a common issue |
| 18:23.42 | sorphin | heh |
| 18:23.44 | sorphin | lovely |
| 18:23.44 | MornWork | apparently the FIRST charge has to be done via the dongle |
| 18:23.51 | sorphin | taht's.... odd |
| 18:23.58 | MornWork | yeah |
| 18:24.01 | MornWork | but... |
| 18:29.47 | chouimat | *yawns* |
| 18:36.30 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i still have 2 free, since my external drives use the 2.0 card |
| 18:41.25 | sjhill-afk | CosmicPenguin: ummm, you may want to consider getting help |
| 18:41.39 | sjhill-afk | CosmicPenguin: mental i mean |
| 18:41.46 | sorphin | sjhill-afk: you should talk |
| 18:41.53 | sorphin | mr eat, sleep, breathe mips |
| 18:42.44 | sjhill-afk | err, well... |
| 18:43.33 | CosmicPenguin | I have mental help? |
| 18:43.39 | CosmicPenguin | or rather, I need mental help? |
| 18:43.48 | CosmicPenguin | Thats a bold statement |
| 18:44.10 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: esp coming from a mipswhore like him |
| 18:45.56 | sorphin | -:- sjhill is now known as justastupidmipswhore |
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| 18:51.34 | jsdaav | hi all |
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| 18:56.56 | Russ | looking for someone in paris |
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| 18:57.02 | file | hi all |
| 18:58.13 | file | now I'm a compressed file! |
| 18:58.38 | kergoth | gunzip file |
| 19:00.02 | file | noooooooooooooo |
| 19:01.19 | Russ | kergoth: dude, you are weirding me out |
| 19:01.40 | Russ | what you to do, behind closed doors, is your own buisness |
| 19:01.49 | file | get away from me you sick sick person :p |
| 19:02.05 | kergoth | hah |
| 19:02.33 | file | well now, I think I'll wipe Windows 98 from my laptop and try Neptune |
| 19:05.11 | sorphin | kergoth: hey |
| 19:05.37 | sjhill | "I'm the bearded lady...What are you one of the freaks?" |
| 19:05.44 | sorphin | kergoth: there some prob w/ uclibc+OZ? (hence why CP is having to do pixil w/ glibc) |
| 19:05.49 | sjhill | man, i haven't seen Spaceballs in a long time |
| 19:06.01 | kergoth | sorphin: the buidlsystem doesnt produce uclibc yet |
| 19:06.06 | kergoth | sorphin: so he'd have to do it manually |
| 19:06.08 | kergoth | sorphin: heh |
| 19:06.15 | kergoth | sorphin: its that simple |
| 19:06.22 | sorphin | kergoth: better tell him that :P |
| 19:06.50 | kergoth | sorphin: in fact, one could just grab the bits of the uclibc build from the uclibc buildroot and toss it into the uclibc makefile in the oz buildroot |
| 19:06.53 | kergoth | sorphin: i just havent had the time |
| 19:07.39 | sorphin | kergoth: nod |
| 19:08.38 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: thats beside the point - it doesn't count if you reduce your size by using a different compiler |
| 19:08.46 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:09.00 | sorphin | heh |
| 19:12.21 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i use whatever the fsck works :P |
| 19:27.18 | prpplague | later timmy |
| 19:27.21 | prpplague | :) |
| 19:28.06 | prpplague | what the hell is a rar document? |
| 19:28.14 | MornWork | it's a type of compression |
| 19:28.16 | kergoth | rar? its an archive format |
| 19:28.19 | kergoth | yeap |
| 19:28.24 | prpplague | ahh |
| 19:28.56 | kergoth | often used to split packages at a certain size, similar to the old school arj's |
| 19:29.36 | prpplague | kergoth: whats the linux utility name to deal with them? |
| 19:29.51 | kergoth | rar or unrar, i forget which |
| 19:29.53 | MornWork | urar |
| 19:29.56 | MornWork | unrar rather |
| 19:30.18 | prpplague | MornWork: thanks ol' girl |
| 19:31.32 | signal11 | rar is the internet piracy format |
| 19:31.47 | signal11 | they really should just name if IPF |
| 19:32.09 | kergoth | IPF, i like that |
| 19:32.10 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:35.00 | prpplague | lol |
| 19:35.02 | prpplague | fun |
| 19:35.08 | prpplague | no unrar on my box |
| 19:35.38 | prpplague | too bad i'm using rhat sh@$ else i could do an app-get |
| 19:39.13 | MornWork | if you had Mandrake you could use urpmi |
| 19:39.20 | MornWork | the plf source has unrar |
| 19:46.51 | kergoth | i really wish people would use LA instead of LAK for this user space complaining |
| 19:47.35 | dsmith | Anyone know how to keep a sbc5206 evaluation board from choking in elf files? (srecords work ok). |
| 19:48.01 | dsmith | s/ in / on / |
| 19:49.45 | prpplague | dsmith: need _way_ more info dude |
| 19:50.06 | prpplague | signal11: you use unrar under linux? |
| 19:50.29 | signal11 | i have used it in the past, yes |
| 19:50.42 | signal11 | they came out with a new version not too long ago |
| 19:50.49 | signal11 | so old unrar executables might be incompatible |
| 19:51.14 | signal11 | i have UNRAR 3.20 beta 2 |
| 19:51.22 | prpplague | signal11: ya i'm getting a "unknown method" when i try to unrar this file |
| 19:51.44 | signal11 | what unrar version is it? |
| 19:51.46 | signal11 | 2.x is bad news these days |
| 19:52.26 | signal11 | http://hs.knm.org/~mark/unrarsrc-3.2.0.tar.gz |
| 19:52.29 | signal11 | try that one |
| 19:53.46 | prpplague | signal11: ya the only thing i could find for rhat was 2.5 |
| 19:53.56 | prpplague | signal11: thanks |
| 19:54.08 | prpplague | signal11: permission denied |
| 19:55.10 | dsmith | prpplague: I haven't started with uClinux yet, just the cross tools. Trandfering a small progam by tftp as s-records works fine, but as elf it doesn't. |
| 19:55.37 | dsmith | prpplague: It *looks* like it trasfers, but a md doesn't show it. |
| 19:57.20 | prpplague | dsmith: sorry what i meant was more info on what the sbc5206 is |
| 19:57.41 | dsmith | Ah. |
| 19:58.22 | dsmith | It's a 5206 eval board by arenwash |
| 19:59.34 | dsmith | prpplague: see http://www.uclinux.org/ports/ near the bottom |
| 20:00.19 | prpplague | dsmith: ahh ok, most of the folks here are ARM based cpu's |
| 20:00.26 | dsmith | specifically: http://www.arnewsh.com/flyers/sbc5206.html |
| 20:00.39 | prpplague | dsmith: andersee is a uClinux guru |
| 20:01.16 | dsmith | prpplague: ok, thanks. |
| 20:01.28 | chouimat|bored | grrrrr I'm getting spammed by local gov |
| 20:02.15 | dsmith | Is this not a uclinux channel? |
| 20:02.37 | CosmicPenguin | dsmith: your problem is really more of a hardware issue than a linux issue |
| 20:03.07 | signal11 | prpplague: ok try it now |
| 20:03.16 | signal11 | 600 permissions, oops |
| 20:03.34 | prpplague | signal11: same, np, i found it on another server |
| 20:03.46 | prpplague | dsmith: eLinux as in Embedded Linux |
| 20:03.59 | signal11 | cool |
| 20:04.08 | prpplague | dsmith: doesn't rule out uclinux, just that there are few gurus here |
| 20:04.36 | prpplague | signal11: thanks anyway |
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| 20:05.49 | ade|tty | morning all |
| 20:05.56 | prpplague | ade|tty: where my pics :) |
| 20:06.08 | prpplague | chouimat|bored: you decided on a gp32 yet? |
| 20:07.07 | ade|tty | prpplague: hmm not taken any yet, she hasn't been well. canoeing illness so a little unfair to sell her like that |
| 20:07.36 | ade|tty | i might get more money if she looks well :) |
| 20:07.58 | prpplague | ade|tty: alright then |
| 20:08.42 | ade|tty | grr too many screen sessions |
| 20:09.13 | ade|tty | prpplague: i will take one before i leave home tomorrow |
| 20:09.20 | ade|tty | i hope |
| 20:09.21 | andersee | prpplague: lies, all lies |
| 20:09.26 | andersee | prpplague: ;-) |
| 20:10.08 | dsmith | prpplague: Yeah, linux on a processor with no mmu is limiting, but I got this board to play with for nothing. |
| 20:10.42 | ade|tty | mmu-less boards are fun |
| 20:11.13 | andersee | dsmith: what sortof board? |
| 20:11.29 | dsmith | andersee: 5206 |
| 20:11.35 | CosmicPenguin | http://tv.yahoo.com/news/wwn/20030319/104808600007.html |
| 20:11.52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya i saw that on /. |
| 20:11.56 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: pretty funny |
| 20:12.01 | CosmicPenguin | Oh, it was on /.? My bad |
| 20:12.05 | andersee | dsmith: coldfire? |
| 20:12.10 | dsmith | andersee: yes. |
| 20:13.32 | andersee | dsmith: so whats your problem? Coldfire is very well supported by uClinux-dist. |
| 20:13.50 | andersee | dsmith: Links and useful hints are on http://www.ucdot.org/ |
| 20:14.19 | dsmith | andersee: I can tftp an srec file no problem, but elf doesn't seem to work. |
| 20:14.36 | andersee | dsmith: yes I know. |
| 20:14.43 | dsmith | Yay! |
| 20:14.48 | andersee | dsmith: uClinux does not run ELF binaries |
| 20:14.53 | dsmith | Ah. |
| 20:14.56 | andersee | dsmith: uClinux used FLAT binaries |
| 20:15.01 | andersee | dsmith: i.e. |
| 20:15.21 | andersee | dsmith: linux/fs/binfmt_elf.c is not usable on an mmu-less system |
| 20:15.31 | andersee | dsmith: linux/fs/binfmt_flat.c is what you need |
| 20:16.24 | andersee | dsmith: grab uClinux-dist. It has a toolchain that changes the link step to run elf2flt automatically, producing flat binaries. Then you can run thing on uClinux |
| 20:19.49 | dsmith | andersee: I got the toolchain from http://www.uclinux.org/pub/uClinux/m68k-elf-tools/ |
| 20:19.50 | signal11 | prpplague: how is rar working now |
| 20:20.01 | andersee | dsmith: ok |
| 20:20.13 | andersee | dsmith: that should be producing flat binaries then |
| 20:20.24 | andersee | dsmith: you canuse 'file' to check |
| 20:21.40 | prpplague | signal11: good, i got my file unrared |
| 20:21.57 | prpplague | signal11: no idea why they rar'd in the first place it was only 600k |
| 20:22.23 | dsmith | andersee: I haven't gotten uclinux yet, I was just making a stupid-simple hello world to test out the board first. |
| 20:22.42 | dsmith | andersee: I don't have a crt0.o, for examle. |
| 20:23.25 | andersee | dsmith: umm. You are trying to run a linux binary on the bare metal system w/o a kernel running? |
| 20:24.38 | dsmith | andersee: No. |
| 20:24.40 | andersee | dsmith: You could write a led blink app to run on the bare metal w/o too much pain. But a hello world app would be hard to do without a kernel. |
| 20:25.03 | dsmith | andersee: Oh, I was using the traps in the debug rom to print. |
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| 20:27.47 | dsmith | andersee: (getting uClinux now) |
| 20:28.28 | dsmith | andersee: Anyway, do you know what's broke with elf on that board? Just don't use it eh? |
| 20:29.41 | andersee | dsmith: nothing specific to that board |
| 20:30.10 | prpplague | ibot: gp32 |
| 20:30.11 | | well, gp32 is http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/04/03/1530224&mode=thread&tid=127 |
| 20:30.18 | prpplague | kergoth: try that |
| 20:30.41 | andersee | dsmith: The ELF file format is 1) hard to handle properly without an mmu and 2) is larger than is necessary for limited capacity cpus |
| 20:30.58 | andersee | dsmith: Therefore, the ELF file format is not supported at all on any uClinux system |
| 20:31.04 | dsmith | ok |
| 20:31.37 | dsmith | andersee: btw: do you know James Schettine or William Mohat? |
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| 20:54.10 | andersee | dsmith: names don't sound familiar to me... |
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| 21:36.07 | dsmith | WhooHoo! |
| 21:47.31 | chouimat|busy | prpplague: wooohooo |
| 21:49.30 | prpplague | chouimat|busy: ? |
| 21:49.44 | chouimat|busy | prpplague: I can pay for the gp32 with money order :) |
| 21:50.37 | prpplague | chouimat|busy: fun |
| 21:50.53 | prpplague | chouimat|busy: i'm working on getting a s3c2400 dev board so i can get blob running |
| 21:51.09 | prpplague | chouimat|busy: other wise i'm gonna have to frankenstein mine |
| 21:51.51 | chouimat|busy | prpplague: ok they shipped yours via postal servicees or ups? |
| 21:52.30 | Russ | prpplague: the project I'm on now uses the s3c2500 |
| 21:52.36 | Russ | so I have 2 of those dev boards |
| 21:52.49 | prpplague | chouimat|busy: fedex |
| 21:53.06 | prpplague | Russ: how much different is the s2c2500 from the 2400? |
| 21:53.15 | prpplague | Russ: you already got blob running? |
| 21:54.00 | Russ | I don't know |
| 21:54.07 | Russ | I haven't seen any docs on the 2400 |
| 21:54.12 | chouimat|busy | prpplague: the prrice of that s3c2400 board? |
| 21:54.27 | Russ | right now, I haven't done any software work, just schematics and timing |
| 21:54.38 | Russ | the s3c2500 is pretty cool, you can lock stuff down in cache |
| 21:55.05 | prpplague | Russ: fun |
| 21:55.17 | prpplague | Russ: when are you gonna start work on bootloading? |
| 21:55.23 | Russ | http://www.samsung.com/Products/Semiconductor/SystemLSI/Networks/PersonalNTASSP/CommunicationProcessor/S3C2500A/S3C2500A.htm |
| 21:55.23 | Russ | dunno |
| 21:55.32 | prpplague | chouimat|busy: don't know yet |
| 21:55.53 | chouimat|busy | prpplague: how mmuch they charged for shipping? |
| 21:55.54 | prpplague | Russ: hmm, depending on how interesting this gets i'd like in on it |
| 21:56.00 | prpplague | chouimat|busy: didn't look |
| 21:56.13 | Russ | prpplague: you happen to know much about SDRAM? |
| 21:56.13 | prpplague | Russ: how much were your dev boards? |
| 21:56.17 | Russ | dunno |
| 21:56.27 | prpplague | Russ: not much.... |
| 21:56.45 | Russ | because I'd like to do funny things with the clock, but I don't know how it would react |
| 21:58.24 | prpplague | Russ: looks like the difference between the 2400 and 2500 is the ethernet |
| 21:58.31 | prpplague | http://www.samsung.com/Products/Semiconductor/SystemLSI/MobileSolutions/MobileASSP/MobileComputing/S3C2400X/S3C2400X.htm |
| 21:59.28 | chouimat | hmmmmmm GP32, DC ,Playstation2 or all of them |
| 21:59.44 | prpplague | chouimat: so much to hack so little time |
| 21:59.45 | prpplague | chouimat: (and money) |
| 22:00.33 | chouimat | prpplague: I have money now ... but I still don't know if I got a used Dreamcast got problem with one ... maybe I will just get the gp32 instead |
| 22:02.51 | prpplague | Russ: you are gonna run linux on this device right? |
| 22:05.53 | chouimat | prpplague: I'm looking at 920T_DDI0151B.pdf |
| 22:21.30 | prpplague | chouimat: kernel building :) |
| 22:23.59 | chouimat | prpplague: I'm wondering if I order it .... |
| 22:25.12 | prpplague | chouimat: "if you order it, it will come....." |
| 22:26.31 | chouimat | prpplague: I know ... |
| 22:26.42 | kergoth | hmm, i never got around to picking a OE color scheme |
| 22:26.44 | kergoth | for the logo |
| 22:26.48 | kergoth | i should do that |
| 22:26.49 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:33.15 | prpplague | chouimat: $1700 for s3c2410 dev board |
| 22:35.59 | chouimat | prpplague: ok ... I will get the gp32 :)) |
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| 22:38.19 | prpplague | chouimat: looks like all the dev boards are for the s3c2410 which has more gpios and ints |
| 22:40.18 | Russ | prpplague: uClinux |
| 22:40.31 | Russ | (no MMU) |
| 22:40.41 | Russ | no LCD |
| 22:40.45 | prpplague | Russ: the 2500 doesn't have mmu? |
| 22:40.54 | Russ | na ADC |
| 22:40.56 | Russ | right |
| 22:41.07 | Russ | no USB Host |
| 22:41.08 | Russ | no MMC |
| 22:41.43 | Russ | not quite as many GPIO |
| 22:41.45 | Russ | no RTC |
| 22:42.06 | Russ | I'll probably go with the 2501, which doesn't have all the fancy UARTs |
| 22:42.41 | prpplague | Russ: ahh, didn't notice that.... |
| 22:42.46 | prpplague | Russ: the 2400 series has mmu |
| 22:42.56 | Russ | it does support an external bus master, which the 2400 doesn't look like it does |
| 22:44.07 | Russ | the 2500 also has a 3DES/DES accelerator |
| 22:45.58 | chouimat | prpplague: only windows tools |
| 22:46.05 | prpplague | chouimat: for what? |
| 22:48.20 | chouimat | prpplague: updating the gp32 |
| 22:49.19 | prpplague | chouimat: there is suppose to be some linux tools |
| 22:49.31 | prpplague | chouimat: i'm more interested in doing the port though |
| 22:50.12 | prpplague | (technically its not a port, just getting it running since some one else already did all the hard work) |
| 22:50.28 | chouimat | prpplague: me too but I need away to make it communication .... bah usbnet will do fine |
| 22:50.49 | prpplague | chouimat: ya well, initially it will have to be jtag and serial console |
| 22:50.56 | prpplague | gotta run |
| 22:50.58 | prpplague | later folks |
| 22:53.39 | CosmicPenguin | The Matrix on Imax? duuuude |
| 22:57.48 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: that just wrong .... another boring sequel |
| 22:58.41 | signal11 | we'll see |
| 22:59.28 | chouimat | I didn't saw anyy of the lotr movies ... I felt asleep on the novel so ... |
| 23:00.04 | signal11 | they're enjoyable |
| 23:00.23 | kergoth | bleh |
| 23:02.08 | kergoth | /usr/local/arm/3.2/lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/3.2.3/../../../../arm-linux/bin/ld: libkeyview.so.1.0.0: undefined versioned symbol name std::time_put_w@@GLIBCPP_3.2 |
| 23:02.12 | kergoth | /usr/local/arm/3.2/lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/3.2.3/../../../../arm-linux/bin/ld: failed to set dynamic section sizes: Bad value |
| 23:03.24 | signal11 | heh mr smith from the matrix is in the LOTR movies |
| 23:03.34 | signal11 | er agent smith, whatever |
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| 23:16.18 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat|bored: luckly, none of us share your opinion |
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| 23:24.20 | sorphin | Morn: and there's the dvd queen |
| 23:28.06 | Morn | re's |
| 23:34.22 | mallum | kergoth: doh, the matchbox build is totally fuxor'd, its gonna take quite a bit of surgery to fix it :/ |
| 23:34.34 | mallum | kergoth: damn pkgconfig |
| 23:34.38 | sorphin | mallum: doh |
| 23:34.41 | sorphin | Morn: sup? |
| 23:35.49 | kergoth | mallum: greatttt. dontcha just love libtool/auto*/pkgconfig |
| 23:36.06 | mallum | kergoth: its the end user that matters baby |
| 23:36.26 | kergoth | you know, the more i read qt internals |
| 23:36.31 | kergoth | the more i want to strangle someone |
| 23:36.35 | kergoth | its an interesting phenomenon |
| 23:36.43 | mallum | sounds fun |
| 23:37.06 | kergoth | mallum: I love the qt classes and the way you code for it, but the /embedded part is worthless |
| 23:37.07 | Morn | my server at my own address is down |
| 23:37.12 | Morn | and I don't have keys to go fix it |
| 23:37.29 | Morn | even if I did it's 2.5 hours each way to get there |
| 23:37.37 | file | Morn: bug somebody near to fix it... tell them to take a lock picking kit |
| 23:37.50 | Morn | sigh |
| 23:37.57 | Morn | everyone is yelling at me |
| 23:38.00 | sorphin | Morn: um. yo udon't have keys? :P |
| 23:38.02 | Morn | like I can do anything |
| 23:38.12 | Morn | I gave my roommate my keys when I moved out |
| 23:38.49 | mallum | kergoth: sounds cool about sharp giving you a 2.4.18 kernel SD module - how will it work with 2.19 though ? |
| 23:38.58 | kergoth | mallum: yep |
| 23:39.01 | kergoth | mallum: wont be a problem |
| 23:40.03 | mallum | kergoth: cool |
| 23:40.33 | file | this Groove Armada song is taking control of my mind |
| 23:40.52 | mallum | kergoth: In your adventure into the world of qt source, have you noticed anything on how it gets notified of rotation ? |
| 23:41.18 | kergoth | mallum: what do ya mean? |
| 23:41.23 | sorphin | Morn: erm |
| 23:41.32 | sorphin | Morn: you left the server at your *old* address? :P |
| 23:42.39 | mallum | kergoth: well the keycode ( Im currently using ) seems to happen on case close - but the same code on close in either direction ( eg screen showing / screen not showing ) - Im not sure how to destinguish the two |
| 23:43.08 | kergoth | mallum: hmm, well, sharp hasnt released the source to the qt/e changes for qtopia 1.5.2 on the c700 and 5600 |
| 23:43.14 | kergoth | mallum: so we're flying blind here |
| 23:43.14 | sorphin | ROTFL |
| 23:43.19 | sorphin | how absurd |
| 23:43.25 | kergoth | mallum: i say fuck it, i'm reading the kernel code and reimplementing |
| 23:43.27 | sorphin | SCO announces another linux thing |
| 23:43.29 | sorphin | and NOW |
| 23:43.29 | kergoth | isnt wheel reinvention fun? |
| 23:43.37 | sorphin | SCO Threatens Red Hat and SuSE |
| 23:43.41 | mallum | kergoth: arg ! thats crap |
| 23:43.53 | mallum | kergoth: I thought qte was 'open source' |
| 23:44.05 | kergoth | mallum: qte is dual licensed. sharp pays, they have it under the QPL |
| 23:44.12 | Morn | sorphin: I didn't have a new connection here yet |
| 23:44.17 | kergoth | mallum: and sharp never releases shit unless they're legally obligated to |
| 23:44.20 | kergoth | mallum: motherfuckers. |
| 23:44.23 | Morn | they are supposed to have the new DSL up by next week |
| 23:44.32 | sorphin | nod |
| 23:44.37 | sorphin | then how are you on? :P |
| 23:44.43 | Morn | cable modem |
| 23:44.49 | mallum | kergoth: doh, seems there missing out not releasing the source :/ |
| 23:44.51 | Morn | residential though |
| 23:44.58 | sorphin | Morn: nod |
| 23:46.57 | mallum | there is a film on TV with the guy who does Kitt's voice in knight rider - wierd |
| 23:47.08 | mallum | bedtime now, goodnight all |
| 23:53.55 | sorphin | and there returns the pixilman |