irclog2html for #elinux on 20030418

`00:00.16`	`sorphin`	`so, if that's not working, then something else is borked.`
`00:00.18`	`Russ`	`"1st cyc.... 0x5555 ...`
`00:00.21`	`as2`	`6374.pdf is the datasheet Ive been reading.`
`00:00.35`	`sorphin`	`as2: well`
`00:00.53`	`as2`	`Claims to be the AT and AB datasheet.`
`00:00.56`	`sorphin`	`Russ: if it's an AT, which i think as can read :P`
`00:01.04`	`as2`	`Downloading the other one.`
`00:01.05`	`sorphin`	`that link i pasted above is code that works`
`00:01.16`	`as2`	`I can read, but it may be printed wrong.`
`00:01.18`	`Russ`	`the one for just the T shows the address as 0x2AAA and 0x5555`
`00:01.30`	`Russ`	`or they might have their datasheets screwed up`
`00:01.31`	`as2`	`I find that very interesting.`
`00:01.35`	`sorphin`	`Russ: which is how my chips are addressed too :P`
`00:02.02`	`sorphin`	`0x5555 and 0x2AAA are how these 128K chips are poked at addr wise`
`00:02.03`	`as2`	`The AT datssheet says 2AA and 555 which is not whats in the firmware.`
`00:02.12`	`Russ`	`then go off the T datasheet`
`00:02.13`	`sorphin`	`umm...`
`00:02.18`	`sorphin`	`as2: sigh`
`00:02.33`	`sorphin`	`void FlashReadReset( void )`
`00:02.34`	`sorphin`	`{`
`00:02.34`	`sorphin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:02.34`	`sorphin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:02.34`	`sorphin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:02.34`	`sorphin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:02.36`	`sorphin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:02.38`	`sorphin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:02.40`	`sorphin`	`that's in the sample code`
`00:02.50`	`sorphin`	`which is used on an AT`
`00:02.58`	`as2`	`Interesting.`
`00:03.10`	`as2`	`Then its the datasheet thats screwed.`
`00:03.11`	`sorphin`	`as2: thought you looked at the file i pasted already? :P`
`00:03.28`	`as2`	`I have.`
`00:03.29`	`sorphin`	`as2: if there's sample code`
`00:03.33`	`sorphin`	`i always follow that :P`
`00:03.55`	`sorphin`	`now screw the datasheet`
`00:04.00`	`as2`	`Ive been doing better than that, so I thought. Ive been using the code in the firmware.`
`00:04.03`	`sorphin`	`and use that above link as reference`
`00:04.25`	`as2`	`Will do, but thats telling me what Ive been doing is right, and its not working :/`
`00:04.32`	`sorphin`	`as2: since the commandset is the same as the SST/Atmel`
`00:04.41`	`sorphin`	`i know it works ;)`
`00:04.48`	`sorphin`	`ok, gimme an exampel then`
`00:05.01`	`sorphin`	`you read the ID and you get/read the proper bits? or no`
`00:05.27`	`as2`	`1st cycle, 2nd cycle, 3rd cycle use 900090 as the command...`
`00:05.43`	`as2`	`Then I do a read to the base address, and I see data, not ID.`
`00:05.52`	`sorphin`	`umm`
`00:06.06`	`sorphin`	`900090`
`00:06.10`	`sorphin`	`doesn't look proper`
`00:06.16`	`sorphin`	`for any chip :P`
`00:06.35`	`as2`	`ITs both chips getting 0090 in parralel.`
`00:06.42`	`Russ`	`no, you have to do unlock1, unlock2, and then command`
`00:06.47`	`chouimat`	`ddd`
`00:07.09`	`as2`	`I am Russ, hang on.`
`00:07.14`	`Russ`	`and unlock2 goes to a different address`
`00:07.27`	`as2`	`5555 * 4 00AA00AAh`
`00:07.37`	`as2`	`2AAA * 4 00550055h`
`00:07.47`	`as2`	`5555 * 4 00900090h`
`00:08.01`	`sorphin`	`umm`
`00:08.01`	`as2`	`3 writes, then a read from 0.`
`00:08.40`	`sorphin`	`as2: can you try just reading 1 chip?`
`00:09.14`	`as2`	`By putting 0000 is one side, yes.`
`00:09.23`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`00:09.33`	`as2`	`But then should be totally independant.`
`00:09.44`	`Russ`	`0x5555 << 2 = 0x00aa00aa`
`00:09.45`	`sorphin`	`address only 1 chip :P`
`00:09.58`	`Russ`	`ya`
`00:09.58`	`as2`	`I cant address only 1 chip.`
`00:10.13`	`Russ`	`hmm`
`00:10.25`	`as2`	`Looks right, Russ. But I'm getting only data :/`
`00:11.07`	`Russ`	`you should get 0x00200020 iirc`
`00:11.26`	`as2`	`Your right, I should :/`
`00:11.47`	`Russ`	`and you are reading from 0, right?`
`00:11.57`	`as2`	`Yes, base+0.`
`00:12.22`	`as2`	`And I get the data I know is in base+0 instead.`
`00:12.22`	`Russ`	`try doing an unlock1, unlock2, then read array first`
`00:12.57`	`as2`	`Will do. Since I'm handcoding the asm, this is a job for tomorrow, but that shounds like it could work.`
`00:13.02`	`sorphin`	`might not be applicable here, but w/ the chips i work with`
`00:13.14`	`sorphin`	`even when reading the ID`
`00:13.20`	`sorphin`	`i have to do a proper device exit`
`00:13.25`	`sorphin`	`dunno of the ST chip requires it`
`00:13.33`	`as2`	`Hmm, device exit?`
`00:13.58`	`sorphin`	`properly tells the chip you're done`
`00:14.00`	`Russ`	`unlock1, unlock2, read array`
`00:14.18`	`sorphin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:14.18`	`sorphin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:14.18`	`sorphin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:14.18`	`sorphin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:14.30`	`sorphin`	`for mine anyways`
`00:14.37`	`sorphin`	`sst and atmel require it`
`00:14.39`	`Russ`	`right, thats what I said`
`00:14.44`	`as2`	`Interesting, and you get no joy unless thats done?`
`00:14.54`	`Russ`	`if the chip is possibly in a wierd mode`
`00:15.20`	`as2`	`Interesting.`
`00:15.26`	`sorphin`	`Russ: on sst/atmel you don't get joy w/o that`
`00:15.29`	`sorphin`	`erm`
`00:15.35`	`sorphin`	`redirect that to as2`
`00:15.47`	`as2`	`I assumed that since I could read the data that I was in the mode, but maybe there is a default setting of somesort.`
`00:15.57`	`as2`	`That could be it then, easily.`
`00:16.24`	`as2`	`Much thanks the both of you :]`
`00:16.29`	`sorphin`	`as2: reading data isn't quite the same as doing a command to get the id :)`
`00:16.40`	`sorphin`	`just like on my still bricked Z`
`00:16.41`	`as2`	`Maybe I wont have to talk to the furnature for the rest of my life after this project.`
`00:16.47`	`sorphin`	`i can read all i want w/ no command`
`00:16.59`	`sorphin`	`the id, you must get every command in`
`00:17.05`	`sorphin`	`or the chip looks at you funny ;p`
`00:17.24`	`sorphin`	`as2: if you want a real puzzle`
`00:17.28`	`as2`	`The problem I have, that if I screw up however slightly, it doesnt look at me at all.`
`00:17.29`	`sorphin`	`figure out how w/o any commands`
`00:17.33`	`sorphin`	`or unlocking`
`00:17.48`	`as2`	`Theres no 'neerly' for any of this for 'safety' reasons.`
`00:17.49`	`sorphin`	`i 'threw data' at my Z's flash`
`00:17.52`	`sorphin`	`and it bricked`
`00:18.21`	`sorphin`	`theoretically, it's impossible`
`00:18.24`	`sorphin`	`but yet, it did`
`00:18.27`	`as2`	`The chances against random data doing a write must be astronomical.`
`00:18.36`	`sorphin`	`as2: well, guess what`
`00:18.38`	`sorphin`	`they did ;p`
`00:19.06`	`sorphin`	`not even the code i was writing`
`00:19.07`	`sorphin`	`just junk`
`00:19.43`	`as2`	`MAybe you activated an erase then stopped it part, wait, no thats not possible either.`
`00:20.07`	`file`	`Veni, Vidi, Velcro - I came, I saw, I stuck around`
`00:20.07`	`as2`	`Presumably all cells arnt discharged in parralel?`
`00:20.19`	`as2`	`Well, charged to 1, but you know what I mean.`
`00:20.45`	`sorphin`	`file: please don't`
`00:21.02`	`as2`	`More like, I came, I saw, I copied nature and I made a fucking fortune.`
`00:21.12`	`Russ`	`maybe you got into that burst write mode`
`00:21.36`	`sorphin`	`Russ: umm.. lemme find the code :P`
`00:21.38`	`Russ`	`Veni, Vidi, Visa`
`00:21.58`	`Russ`	`I came, I saw, I shopped`
`00:25.22`	`as2`	`Hmm, actually.`
`00:25.29`	`as2`	`If you didnt do an erase...`
`00:26.11`	`as2`	`Then did a block write, youd end up with both data uperimposed.`
`00:26.23`	`as2`	`So it wouldnt be legable.`
`00:26.52`	`sorphin`	`as2: well, what i read back was consistantly repeating`
`00:27.02`	`as2`	`Oh, Hmm.`
`00:27.27`	`as2`	`I can only assume theres a bug in the flash.`
`00:29.59`	`sorphin`	`all i did`
`00:30.00`	`sorphin`	`was:`
`00:30.27`	`sorphin`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`00:30.27`	`sorphin`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`00:30.27`	`sorphin`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`00:30.29`	`sorphin`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`00:30.37`	`sorphin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:30.39`	`sorphin`	`inside a for loop`
`00:30.43`	`sorphin`	`then after unmap`
`00:31.17`	`sorphin`	`yes, i know that's stupid, but for some reason, i was off my mind when the reader finally worked`
`00:31.40`	`sorphin`	`i jumped right into writing, forgetting that i wasn't writing to an mtd device or such i was writing to flash and it needed commands`
`00:32.14`	`as2`	`Ive done simlerllaly stupid things, but got away with it.`
`00:32.43`	`sorphin`	`as2: well`
`00:32.53`	`sorphin`	`00000000 B0 B0 B0 B2 B0 B0 B0 B2 B0 B0 B0 B2 B0 B0 B0 B2 ................`
`00:32.59`	`sorphin`	`taht's what i ended up w/ a whole flash of`
`00:33.16`	`sorphin`	`and what's worse, i was only "writing" to where teh kernel lives`
`00:33.22`	`sorphin`	`but the whole flash bought it`
`00:34.21`	`as2`	`Like wiring the oscilloscope to the wrong end of the photomultiplier and turning up the voltage till I saw a signal. I think I was getting a signal at around 1500v.`
`00:34.31`	`sorphin`	`haha`
`00:34.41`	`as2`	`(Voltage on the photmultipler power supply).`
`00:35.31`	`as2`	`The reason I got a signal, was that that high it was drawing so much power it was shorting the supply so I was getting a signal, dumb dumb dumb.`
`00:36.25`	`as2`	`Lucky it was secondhand, if Id have paid full whack at $600-800 for it ID have cried.`
`00:37.34`	`sorphin`	`as2: the scope or the multiplier?`
`00:38.00`	`as2`	`The multiplier.`
`00:38.15`	`as2`	`I paid over a grand for the secondhand digital scope.`
`00:38.28`	`sorphin`	`nod`
`00:38.30`	`sorphin`	`hmm`
`00:38.35`	`sorphin`	`i'm confused about something now`
`00:38.44`	`as2`	`I was using 10:1 inputs, so it would have taken 400V if the capacitor had gone.`
`00:39.04`	`sorphin`	`nod`
`00:39.36`	`as2`	`Id have fried the probe, but the scope would have survived.`
`00:43.18`	`sorphin`	`hrm`
`00:43.22`	`sorphin`	`i'm confused here`
`00:43.40`	`sorphin`	`what i've found elsewhere, tells me the Z is a SA1110`
`00:43.52`	`sorphin`	`but in the source i'm looking at`
`00:43.57`	`sorphin`	`CONFIG_SA1100_COLLIE`
`00:44.16`	`sorphin`	`who's right? :P (and i can't tell in the pics tim did)`
`00:44.40`	`as2`	`I dont know what a Z is.`
`00:44.46`	`sorphin`	`zaurus`
`00:45.07`	`as2`	`Not a clue then.`
`00:45.14`	`sorphin`	`as2: hmm`
`00:45.19`	`sorphin`	`couple nice ones on page3 atm`
`00:45.48`	`as2`	`Tux is a 1100, but IVe no idea what the difference between that and the 1110 is.`
`00:45.56`	`sorphin`	`as2: heh`
`00:46.03`	`sorphin`	`the 1110 is post 1100`
`00:46.08`	`sorphin`	`and has some changes`
`00:46.13`	`sorphin`	`a buncha actually`
`00:46.14`	`sorphin`	`-a`
`00:46.50`	`as2`	`Intel only had boundry scan stuff for the 1110, so I know its newer, had to search for a while to find the stuff for 1100.`
`00:47.43`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`00:47.54`	`sorphin`	`i found the 1100 jflash stuff`
`00:48.01`	`sorphin`	`russ had to point me at the 1110 stuff`
`00:48.15`	`as2`	`Its a nice change though, other compnaies dont give out boundry scan stuff unless they get blood first.`
`00:49.16`	`sorphin`	`as2: like sharp ;)`
`00:50.04`	`as2`	`What did you have to be to get to sign the NDA?`
`00:50.26`	`sorphin`	`as2: my alternate option (which would be easier) is russ' jtag mtd driver`
`00:50.37`	`sorphin`	`as2: heh, kergoth sent a mail to the sharp guy w/ me cc'd saying i bricked my Z and needed the manual`
`00:50.41`	`sorphin`	`13 days later`
`00:50.50`	`sorphin`	`i got a mail w/ the nda and where to fax it`
`00:50.53`	`sorphin`	`so i faxed, emailed back`
`00:50.58`	`sorphin`	`lil while later that day`
`00:51.00`	`sorphin`	`i had the manual`
`00:51.17`	`as2`	`Well thats not terrible.`
`00:51.23`	`sorphin`	`as2: so i'd say, knowing kergoth had a perk ;)`
`00:51.44`	`file`	`well I'm going away for two days - so everyone have a party while I'm gone`
`00:52.05`	`sorphin`	`file: don't worry, we will`
`00:53.13`	`file`	`sorphin: ...not...you...`
`00:53.27`	`sorphin`	`file: couldn't rob me :P i have no spare $`
`00:53.46`	`*** join/#elinux Morn (~julie@pool-151-203-180-25.wma.east.verizon.net)`
`00:54.15`	`sorphin`	`Morn: re`
`00:55.14`	`Morn`	`I so hate XP sometimes`
`00:55.40`	`file`	`Morn: is Microsoft Bob somewhere in there?`
`00:56.02`	`Morn`	`sigh`
`00:56.15`	`Morn`	`for some reason when I close IE I occasionally get reboots`
`00:56.23`	`Morn`	`and not nice ones, just boom`
`00:57.30`	`as2`	`I wanted the datasheet of a chip from NEC, they told me I couldnt sign the NDA because my project didnt qualify, and never would. Bastards.`
`00:57.43`	`sorphin`	`Morn: atleast you can play games :P`
`00:58.05`	`Morn`	`I don't have any games on the windows box`
`00:58.07`	`sorphin`	`Morn: ive had reboots like that w/ 2k for no real reason`
`00:58.20`	`Morn`	`If I want to play games I'll use the xbox`
`00:58.20`	`file`	`I am no longer a Windows slave.`
`00:58.37`	`file`	`I'm only on Windows for programming EEPROM and putting MP3s on my Cybiko Xtreme`
`00:58.41`	`sorphin`	`file: i'm not one either, i just use it for some things, but 99% of the time i'm in linux`
`00:59.18`	`Morn`	`The only machine I use windows on most of the time is the one I do the video work on`
`00:59.23`	`file`	`oh frell I don't have my bed made up`
`00:59.54`	`sorphin`	`file: quit trying to talk like dave`
`01:00.05`	`file`	`sorphin: I'm a Farscape watcher too`
`01:00.23`	`file`	`mmm has anybody ever tried using CAT5 for a phone line? (and data)`
`01:00.29`	`sorphin`	`yes`
`01:00.42`	`sorphin`	`just don't hook up wrong, and you'll be fine :P`
`01:00.49`	`file`	`is it possible over the same cable?`
`01:00.56`	`sorphin`	`uhh`
`01:01.03`	`sorphin`	`file: considering`
`01:01.11`	`sorphin`	`ethernet uses 123 6`
`01:01.15`	`sorphin`	`and telephone uses 45`
`01:01.21`	`file`	`thought so`
`01:01.22`	`sorphin`	`i'd say yes :P`
`01:01.36`	`sorphin`	`that's exactly why ethernet uses those pins`
`01:01.42`	`sorphin`	`to avoid running into phone lines`
`01:01.45`	`file`	`nifty - Family Guy is on`
`01:02.27`	`chouimat`	`re`
`01:03.01`	`as2`	`Hmm, wasnt 10mbit ethernet partially designed to run through the old telephone wiring though?`
`01:03.01`	`file`	`hey chouimat, how is the weather in Quebec?`
`01:03.09`	`chouimat`	`cold`
`01:03.24`	`chouimat`	`weatherbot: weather cyqb`
`01:03.25`	`weatherbot`	`Current conditions at Quebec, Que, Canada: It is -2 C (28 F), windspeed is 8.05 km/h, and visibility is 40.23 km. (Information current as of 2003.04.18 0000 UTC).`
`01:03.27`	`file`	`same here, weather is changing so much`
`01:03.39`	`file`	`was snowing a few days ago again`
`01:06.32`	`sorphin`	`as2: yes`
`01:06.54`	`sorphin`	`as2: 10bt can run over practically anything`
`01:06.59`	`sorphin`	`as2: it's 100bt that's picky`
`01:07.10`	`file`	`it can run over string?!?!?!?!`
`01:10.03`	`sorphin`	`~nuke file`
`01:10.07`		`nukes file with a single large nuke`
`01:10.17`	`sorphin`	`hmm`
`01:10.22`	`sorphin`	`it didn't /me`
`01:21.33`	`Russ`	`hmm...I need to do funky stuff with SDRAM`
`01:21.49`	`Russ`	`is there a way to be sure code will run from cache and not make bus accesses?`
`01:22.15`	`Russ`	`or do I need to set aside a space in flash for these loops to run?`
`01:23.40`	`as2`	`Is there a specific reason you dont want bus access?`
`01:24.08`	`Russ`	`I'm going to have an external bus master generate SDRAM commands and do writes and such`
`01:24.23`	`Russ`	`and I want to reprogram the SDRAM before and after this happens`
`01:24.46`	`Russ`	`(a write burst of 1024 cycles will happen)`
`01:25.07`	`Russ`	`so I need to change bursting from 4 word to page`
`01:25.09`	`*** join/#elinux as (as@modem-1027.bellsprout.dialup.pol.co.uk)`
`01:25.10`	`Russ`	`and then back`
`01:25.18`	`as`	`Frelling thing.`
`01:25.25`	`as`	`<Russ> I'm going to have an external bus master generate SDRAM commands and do writes and such`
`01:25.32`	`Russ`	`s/commands//`
`01:25.43`	`as`	`Bringing nReset of the CPU low isnt an option?`
`01:25.48`	`Russ`	`no`
`01:26.27`	`Russ`	`sleep mode would be an interesting option though`
`01:26.38`	`Russ`	`would have to time things very carfully`
`01:26.44`	`Russ`	`I could call it lazurus`
`01:26.48`	`as`	`Haha.`
`01:27.02`	`Russ`	`a processory that sleep 4 - 20 times a second`
`01:27.10`	`as`	`More like proplus that lazarus.`
`01:27.18`	`as`	`Than.`
`01:27.27`	`Russ`	`anyway, I have bursting data comming in at 133MHz`
`01:27.39`	`Russ`	`and I can't see what I type, so I make a lot of mistakes`
`01:27.49`	`as`	`If you have a loop running in a single cache line, with no other tasks, interupts off, that should leave the bus alone.`
`01:28.16`	`Russ`	`alternatively, I'd like to convince the processor to do the SDRAM signaling`
`01:28.22`	`Russ`	`and then use a bus exchange switch`
`01:28.38`	`Russ`	`but I don't think I'd be able to convince the SDRAM controller to make a continous burst like that`
`01:29.07`	`as`	`133MHz bursts :/`
`01:29.46`	`as`	`Whats doing the memory addressing, and will everything fit in 1 cycle accesses?`
`01:30.13`	`Russ`	`the SDRAM would do the addressing because a large enough chip will hawe 102 bytes in a single row`
`01:30.17`	`Russ`	`er, 1024 words`
`01:30.33`	`as`	`10 bits, yes that sounds right.`
`01:30.53`	`as`	`Can you burst data in like that without altering column bits?`
`01:31.21`	`as`	`IVe never used SDRAM.`
`01:31.22`	`Russ`	`ya, I just need an ACTIVE command with the right column`
`01:31.30`	`Russ`	`and the column can be generated beforehand`
`01:31.40`	`as`	`Aha.`
`01:31.52`	`Russ`	`and then a BURST TERMINATE afterwards`
`01:31.58`	`as`	`Whats the total data rate for this app?`
`01:32.14`	`Russ`	`it bursts 1024 words at 133MHz`
`01:32.25`	`Russ`	`waits about 600 cycles`
`01:32.27`	`Russ`	`bursts again`
`01:32.37`	`Russ`	`this happens until 4M of data is filled, and then stops`
`01:32.53`	`as`	`Crikey.`
`01:33.27`	`as`	`Wheres the data coming from out of interest?`
`01:33.30`	`Russ`	`at least thats the tenative schedule`
`01:33.42`	`Russ`	`whats 4M / 1024?`
`01:33.59`	`as`	`Yes, an ADC, logic analyser extension..?`
`01:34.08`	`Russ`	`er`
`01:34.33`	`Russ`	`sorry, 3M`
`01:34.46`	`Russ`	`3M / 1024 / 4`
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`02:07.19`	`sorphin`	`kergoth: yo`
`02:07.33`	`kergoth`	`sharp is evne more stupid than i had imagined`
`02:07.38`	`sorphin`	`kergoth: things i've found on the net say the Z has an SA1110, but the code says SA1100`
`02:07.41`	`kergoth`	`this is fucking beyond stupid.`
`02:07.46`	`kergoth`	`sorphin: its a sa1110.`
`02:07.51`	`sorphin`	`k`
`02:08.02`	`sorphin`	`what'd they fuck up now?`
`02:08.08`	`kergoth`	`sorphin: they have a small file you put on cf or sd on the 5600/c700 to control the flash process`
`02:08.20`	`kergoth`	`which makes sense`
`02:08.22`	`kergoth`	`nothing wrong with this concept`
`02:08.23`	`kergoth`	`except`
`02:08.26`	`sorphin`	`k`
`02:08.27`	`kergoth`	`its a shell script right`
`02:08.30`	`kergoth`	`THEY ENCRYPTED IT`
`02:08.31`	`kergoth`	`!#@%!#@^!$^#!`
`02:08.36`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`02:08.38`	`sorphin`	`lovely`
`02:08.43`	`Russ`	`sorphin: the sa11x0 thing is pretty common`
`02:08.44`	`kergoth`	`what in gods name made them fucking decide to encrypt a fucking shell script`
`02:08.53`	`Russ`	`the linux kernel treats both the same`
`02:08.53`	`kergoth`	`"Hey bob, i know, lets encrypt this!"`
`02:09.00`	`kergoth`	`"yeah! then hackers will hate us!"`
`02:09.02`	`kergoth`	`"yeah!"`
`02:09.06`	`sorphin`	`Russ: but as youpointed out, jtag doesn't`
`02:09.22`	`Russ`	`right, their eval board was probably a sa1100 or something`
`02:09.56`	`sorphin`	`nod`
`02:10.08`	`kergoth`	`i cant believe this`
`02:10.23`	`Russ`	`what decyrpts it`
`02:10.31`	`kergoth`	`just when i think sharp has been as stupid as they can possibly be`
`02:10.35`	`kergoth`	`they surpass my expectatinos`
`02:10.46`	`kergoth`	`undocumented code in a 8mb segment of nor flahs`
`02:10.52`	`kergoth`	`now of course i can disassemble it and figure it out`
`02:10.55`	`kergoth`	`but thats not the point!`
`02:10.58`	`sorphin`	`ker; ugh`
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`02:13.51`	`kergoth`	`i'm certain sharp japan will just send me the info on the algorithm and the original unencrypted shell, but of course i wont be able to releaes it anyway, only use it in producing oz release`
`02:13.55`	`kergoth`	`s`
`02:13.58`	`kergoth`	`</rant>`
`02:17.09`	`Russ`	`well`
`02:17.14`	`Russ`	`what decrypts the shell`
`02:18.11`	`kergoth`	`certain key combination executes a maintainance menu, which then when the right options are selected executes a linux kenrel which is kept internally in nor flash. beyond that I dont know, but I'll look into it`
`02:42.06`	`sorphin`	`Russ: ping`
`02:53.37`	`Russ`	`pong`
`03:09.23`	`sorphin`	`ok`
`03:09.57`	`sorphin`	`Russ: remind me what i may need to change in your code?`
`03:10.21`	`sorphin`	`i added the partitions, just change the header file over to the sa1110 one, and..`
`03:12.03`	`Russ`	`the method used to read/write jtag signals`
`03:12.12`	`Russ`	`any references to chain length in the code`
`03:13.00`	`sorphin`	`hrm`
`03:15.05`	`sorphin`	`Russ: the chain length is in the sa1110 header`
`03:16.25`	`Russ`	`sweet, I can prefetch icache lines by address`
`03:16.55`	`Russ`	`you might diff the header thats there, and the header that was for the sa1100 jflash`
`03:17.42`	`sorphin`	`actually`
`03:17.51`	`sorphin`	`the sa1110.h that was in teh assabet code`
`03:17.55`	`sorphin`	`comments what was changed`
`03:18.02`	`sorphin`	`in the header`
`03:18.36`	`sorphin`	`i.e.`
`03:18.36`	`sorphin`	`#define D31_0_EN 199 //212`
`03:18.42`	`sorphin`	`it's 199 in SA1100`
`03:18.46`	`sorphin`	`and 212 in SA1110`
`03:18.52`	`Russ`	`there might be lines missing`
`03:19.27`	`sorphin`	`in the sa1110.h file?`
`03:20.35`	`Russ`	`in the sa1100.h file`
`03:20.59`	`Russ`	`like instead of commentitng out lines that aren't there, they might be deleted`
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`03:44.10`	`sorphin`	`in the sa1100 file they're changed, commented out, etc.. none 'deleted'`
`03:47.59`	`CosmicPenguin`	`LOL!`
`03:48.37`	`CosmicPenguin`	`On Law and Order, they were tracking a "hacker" with an IP address of 329.14.1.104`
`03:49.17`	`Russ`	`why is that funny?`
`03:49.19`	`Russ`	`it was ipv6`
`03:49.22`	`Russ`	`foolio`
`03:51.18`	`CosmicPenguin`	`uhh...`
`03:51.36`	`CosmicPenguin`	`A four nibble ipv6 address?`
`03:52.15`	`Russ`	`what?`
`03:52.19`	`Russ`	`you can have an IP like this:`
`03:52.21`	`Russ`	`12421412.3`
`03:52.42`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Somehow I don't think that Law and Order is progressive enough to have a ipv6 address`
`03:52.44`	`CosmicPenguin`	`But I might be wrong`
`03:53.35`	`sorphin`	`Russ: so what's left? the file for the SA1110 is fine (which is what i'll be using) and it has the chain length, etc`
`03:54.10`	`Russ`	`the jtag interface`
`03:55.06`	`sorphin`	`Russ: so.... how do i figure what needs to change, just compare against the sa1110 jflash?`
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`12:48.59`	`sjhill`	`hey sorphin`
`12:53.14`	`sorphin`	`allo mipsy`
`12:54.32`	`sorphin`	`sjhill: what's up?`
`12:55.42`	`sjhill`	`massive cleanup of mips header files`
`12:56.02`	`sorphin`	`i knew it was mips, i could smell it :P`
`12:56.19`	`sjhill`	`;)`
`12:57.37`	`sorphin`	`sjhill: speaking of mips, i'm trying to decide what to do w/ the I2, it hasn't been turned on in a while..`
`12:58.27`	`sjhill`	`just send that to: Steven J. Hill @ .....`
`12:58.59`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`12:59.03`	`sorphin`	`riiight`
`12:59.51`	`sorphin`	`sjhill: maybe if you paid what i paid for it :P`
`13:00.15`	`sjhill`	`lol`
`13:01.12`	`JulieWork`	`morning all`
`13:02.05`	`sorphin`	`JulieWork: morning dvd queen`
`13:02.25`	`JulieWork`	`I found 5 more DVD's last night that were in the wrong binder`
`13:02.39`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`13:03.03`	`sorphin`	`JulieWork: shouldn't they all be in that changer now? :P`
`13:03.21`	`JulieWork`	`these 5 weren't in the binder that I emptied into the changer`
`13:03.31`	`JulieWork`	`so I have to put them in after I return from Easter break`
`13:05.17`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`13:05.19`	`sorphin`	`easter break`
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`13:21.53`	`prpplague`	`morning all`
`13:22.01`	`GPSFan`	`hi prpplague`
`13:24.14`	`prpplague`	`GPSFan: howdy`
`13:46.48`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Good morning folks`
`14:05.52`	`sorphin`	`lo you 3 delinquents`
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`14:07.09`	`sorphin`	`sieve: speaking of delinquents, there's the other one g`
`14:13.20`	`pattieja`	`morning`
`14:17.41`	`sorphin`	`pattieja: hola`
`14:26.20`	`CosmicPenguin`	`ain't we got fun?`
`14:35.05`	`sorphin`	`CosmicPenguin: as soon as we have pixil we will g`
`14:35.48`	`CosmicPenguin`	`sorphin: man - I'm doing my best over here`
`14:36.10`	`CosmicPenguin`	`sorphin: I installed it on my personal Ipaq and immediately found about a dozen serious bugs`
`14:39.12`	`prpplague`	`CosmicPenguin: your tracking number active now?`
`14:39.29`	`CosmicPenguin`	`prpplague: I lost the number`
`14:39.50`	`CosmicPenguin`	`In medial terms, I am known as an idiot`
`14:39.51`	`prpplague`	`CosmicPenguin: 1Z7495160343984946`
`14:41.01`	`sorphin`	`CosmicPenguin: doh`
`14:41.12`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: tisn't in UPS's database yet ;)`
`14:41.20`	`CosmicPenguin`	`prpplague: good deal - it should get here by arbor day`
`14:41.22`	`CosmicPenguin`	`sorphin: yes it is`
`14:41.31`	`sorphin`	`CosmicPenguin: wasn't when i checked a few mins ago`
`14:41.32`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`14:41.41`	`sorphin`	`unless it's phoenix being a putz again`
`14:41.58`	`sorphin`	`ah, i see what happened`
`14:42.03`	`CosmicPenguin`	`It just left Mesquite, Texas`
`14:42.21`	`sorphin`	`forgot the 1 in front of the Z :P`
`14:42.39`	`sorphin`	`CosmicPenguin: so what're these serious bugs?`
`14:46.59`	`CosmicPenguin`	`sorphin: backspace off of the text widget will cause a seg fault`
`14:47.09`	`sorphin`	`CosmicPenguin: doh`
`14:47.09`	`CosmicPenguin`	`sorphin: notepad items don't store for any reason`
`14:47.16`	`CosmicPenguin`	`sorphin: the timezone is foobared`
`14:47.27`	`CosmicPenguin`	`sorphin: its propriatry source code that hasn't been open sourced yet`
`14:47.43`	`sorphin`	`CosmicPenguin: the timezone on the Z's rom is crap btw :P`
`14:48.19`	`sorphin`	`you have a limited selection of cities (4) and then you pick off of that on a lil map, but it doesn't display the right damn time anyways`
`14:49.36`	`CosmicPenguin`	`sorphin: I'm probably going to add a good chunk of timezones, but you'll have to pick them off a list`
`14:49.47`	`CosmicPenguin`	`sorphin: if you want to find out the time somewhere else, then use the world clock`
`14:50.16`	`sorphin`	`CosmicPenguin: yup`
`14:50.38`	`sorphin`	`CosmicPenguin: i just either want normal zone stuff like US/Central or some crap`
`14:50.39`	`sorphin`	`or`
`14:50.44`	`sorphin`	`GMT-6`
`14:50.49`	`sorphin`	`that's all i need`
`14:51.00`	`CosmicPenguin`	`same here`
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`14:55.58`	`sorphin`	`kergoth: hola opie grin`
`14:56.14`	`kergoth`	`hey`
`14:56.47`	`sorphin`	`kergoth: need your opinion`
`14:57.01`	`kergoth`	`what about?`
`14:57.08`	`sorphin`	`hacking this cradle is gonna be a pita and a 1/2, so i have 2 choices`
`14:57.38`	`sorphin`	`do it anyways, and hope i leave it 'switchable' or, just steal it's connector and get one of those serialio cables for normal Z activities`
`14:58.29`	`kergoth`	`i'd say go with the latter, personally`
`14:58.35`	`sorphin`	`yeah`
`14:58.45`	`sorphin`	`that cable's cheaper than another cradle too`
`14:58.54`	`sorphin`	`and it charges the Z off the USB`
`14:59.05`	`sorphin`	`so less hassle`
`15:00.46`	`kergoth`	`yep`
`15:02.10`	`sorphin`	`just wish the damn thing wasn't red ;)`
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`15:07.29`	`sorphin`	`ade\|tiny: lo`
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`15:17.24`	`sorphin`	`TomW: morning`
`15:17.47`	`TomW`	`kinda looks that way out there, but I cannot be sure at this point.`
`15:18.10`	`TomW`	`hazy, cold & dismal this morning.`
`15:18.29`	`sorphin`	`TomW: g.. well, the micro is on it's way (well, soon as they ship the thing) :P going to the local elex place to look at whatever scopes they have today`
`15:18.34`	`sorphin`	`TomW: is here too`
`15:18.42`	`sorphin`	`52 and foggy`
`15:19.01`	`TomW`	`So, you bought the ebay thing?`
`15:19.10`	`sorphin`	`the microscope, yes`
`15:19.57`	`TomW`	`heh, that Ipaq helped me out at the meeting yesterday. The customer had mentioned prior to the meeting about maybe using WinCE in his new product.`
`15:20.08`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`15:20.28`	`TomW`	`Somehow, I got my Ipaq into some stupid mode that it has a "wait" timer constantly displayed.`
`15:20.45`	`sorphin`	`hehe`
`15:20.56`	`TomW`	`So, I took it to the meeting and asked him if he could figure out what WinCE was doing?`
`15:21.12`	`TomW`	`The thing runs, but very very sloooooooooowly.`
`15:21.21`	`TomW`	`Great demo!`
`15:21.27`	`TomW`	`heh`
`15:21.32`	`sorphin`	`hehe`
`15:21.45`	`TomW`	`BTW, it has been sitting here like that for the past 12 hours.`
`15:22.01`	`TomW`	`I told it to delete a file...`
`15:22.25`	`sorphin`	`TomW: niice`
`15:22.27`	`CosmicPenguin`	`TomW: Windows is its own best demo`
`15:22.38`	`TomW`	`So, I asked him "are you sure that WinCE is what you want to use"?`
`15:22.51`	`TomW`	`he's not so sure now.`
`15:22.55`	`sorphin`	`;)`
`15:23.00`	`CosmicPenguin`	`I got a great Windows story the other day too`
`15:23.14`	`sorphin`	`CosmicPenguin: lets hear it`
`15:23.25`	`CosmicPenguin`	`My grocery store has those self checkout kiosks (which I love).`
`15:23.51`	`sorphin`	`yeah, they just started having those here not too long ago, not seen one tho, since i don't grocery shop ;)`
`15:23.53`	`TomW`	`CosmicPenguin: yeah. What is funny is that he embedded a single board computer into one unit, loaded WinNT onto it and was demo'ing it around to his customers to incite some interest in "the new conept".`
`15:24.01`	`CosmicPenguin`	`The other day I went in at like 7:00 AM, and all the self checkout machines were showing a Windows 98 login screen`
`15:24.08`	`CosmicPenguin`	`And the guy was going around and obviously rebooting them all`
`15:24.15`	`sorphin`	`ROTFL`
`15:24.30`	`CosmicPenguin`	`So I asked him what he was doing, and it turns out that they need to reboot them several times a day or else they just hang and stop running`
`15:24.36`	`sorphin`	`bad enough they use windows, but 98?`
`15:24.41`	`CosmicPenguin`	`sorphin: no shit`
`15:24.44`	`TomW`	`CosmicPenguin: Well, this is a Burgular Alarm Manufacturer... His customers were _not_ excited with the prospect of having to reboot their Security equipment!`
`15:24.51`	`CosmicPenguin`	`TomW: I'll bet`
`15:24.53`	`sorphin`	`TomW: haha`
`15:25.01`	`TomW`	`:D`
`15:25.31`	`CosmicPenguin`	`The problem with all this is, that when you see something like that, you know that they made a bad decision, and that you could've done the same thing for cheaper and better`
`15:25.37`	`CosmicPenguin`	`and it makes you sad`
`15:25.42`	`sorphin`	`CosmicPenguin: indeed`
`15:25.48`	`TomW`	`I just love it! Their self-proclaimed windoze expert has lost so much face, I just say little and let Windoze sell itself.`
`15:26.12`	`sorphin`	`CosmicPenguin: just told the guy behind me what you just told us, and when i emphasised it was 98, he just "ewww'd"`
`15:26.21`	`CosmicPenguin`	`yeah`
`15:26.27`	`sorphin`	`TomW: or not sell itself`
`15:26.29`	`CosmicPenguin`	`They could've at least used NT`
`15:26.36`	`sorphin`	`even 2k`
`15:26.50`	`TomW`	`I bitch about how slow the WinCE debit card terminal runs, every time I go to the supermarket.`
`15:26.50`	`sorphin`	`K5/166`
`15:26.52`	`CosmicPenguin`	`maybe the makers got a deal on 98 licenses... :)`
`15:27.05`	`sorphin`	`CosmicPenguin: something like that`
`15:27.32`	`sorphin`	`TomW: speaking of stores`
`15:27.37`	`TomW`	`?`
`15:27.43`	`sorphin`	`i'm boycotting worstbuy now :P`
`15:28.04`	`TomW`	`heh, everybody does that, didn't you know how expensive they are?`
`15:28.10`	`CosmicPenguin`	`now? I've been boycotting them since the whole transmit your CC number in plaintext over 802.11B`
`15:28.17`	`CosmicPenguin`	`fiasco`
`15:28.30`	`sorphin`	`TomW: some stuff isn't too bad`
`15:28.48`	`sorphin`	`well, they're return crap has gotten worse`
`15:28.52`	`sorphin`	`so fuck em`
`15:29.10`	`TomW`	`I like Stables.`
`15:29.16`	`sorphin`	`TomW: uh..`
`15:29.22`	`TomW`	`s/Stables/Staples/`
`15:29.22`	`sorphin`	`the closest staples`
`15:29.27`	`sorphin`	`is Lake of the Ozarks :P`
`15:29.33`	`sorphin`	`and i'm in st louis`
`15:29.41`	`sorphin`	`so, that's not gonna happen`
`15:29.41`	`TomW`	`in the lake, or near it?`
`15:29.51`	`sorphin`	`heh, near :P`
`15:30.01`	`ade\|tiny`	`sorphin: ello`
`15:30.10`	`sorphin`	`either way, it's on the way to my gf's house`
`15:30.14`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Did you see the PDA / radiation detector on /.?`
`15:30.16`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Thats classic!`
`15:30.17`	`sorphin`	`but too far for just casual sohpping`
`15:30.20`	`ade\|tiny`	`sorphin: sorry was looking else where forgot i had xchat up`
`15:30.27`	`TomW`	`I got one of those Zoom USB 56K modems I am trying to get working on linux, picked it up at Staples for $30.`
`15:30.29`	`sorphin`	`ade\|tiny: excuses ;)`
`15:30.34`	`ade\|tiny`	`hehe :)`
`15:30.46`	`ade\|tiny`	`and now off again`
`15:30.50`	`sorphin`	`ade\|tiny: prolly off snogging the bint :P`
`15:31.09`	`ade\|tiny`	`sorphin: not far from the truth`
`15:31.13`	`sorphin`	`hehe`
`15:31.16`	`sorphin`	`htought so`
`15:31.53`	`sorphin`	`TomW: heh, i wish firewire would catch on more than usb :P`
`15:32.01`	`CosmicPenguin`	`sorphin: it will`
`15:32.05`	`TomW`	`sorphin: yeah`
`15:32.10`	`sorphin`	`CosmicPenguin: some time before i'm 30 :P`
`15:32.22`	`CosmicPenguin`	`sorphin: the Epia I just got had two Firewire ports built in`
`15:32.23`	`TomW`	`sorphin: some time before I'm dead`
`15:32.37`	`sorphin`	`TomW: it wn't happen before tomorrow ;)`
`15:33.01`	`sorphin`	`TomW: you know i'm kidding :P`
`15:33.01`	`TomW`	`oh!`
`15:33.23`	`TomW`	`a customer got himself one of those Zaurus 5500's?`
`15:33.24`	`sorphin`	`CosmicPenguin: well, i have a firewire card, just all the stuff out there to use is fscking USB`
`15:33.30`	`sorphin`	`TomW: yah?`
`15:33.46`	`sorphin`	`CosmicPenguin: and anything remotely firewire is $$$$`
`15:33.53`	`TomW`	`... with the CF ethernet. He can browse the web, but wants to know how to get at samba shares.`
`15:33.57`	`CosmicPenguin`	`sorphin: the point is, when firewire starts getting built in, thats when it will take off`
`15:34.16`	`sorphin`	`CosmicPenguin: already seen MBs w/ it built in`
`15:34.20`	`CosmicPenguin`	`sorphin: we don't count - because we would climb mountains to install new crap`
`15:34.51`	`sorphin`	`TomW: that'd be a kergoth Q`
`15:34.54`	`TomW`	`sorphin: www.freetech.com, their ITX boards all have it.`
`15:35.10`	`sorphin`	`what exactly IS ITX?`
`15:35.17`	`TomW`	`sorphin: they even give you the connector mounted on the rear panel.`
`15:35.18`	`sorphin`	`just a smaller form than ATX?`
`15:35.25`	`CosmicPenguin`	`For example, I'm saving up to get a Bluetooth dongle for my desktop, so I can bluetooth from my desktop to my tuxphone`
`15:35.35`	`TomW`	`ITX is shrunken ATX boards approx 7"x7" squares.`
`15:35.43`	`sorphin`	`bluetooth`
`15:35.44`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`15:35.49`	`sorphin`	`RF leaking serial :P`
`15:35.58`	`sorphin`	`TomW: nod`
`15:36.00`	`CosmicPenguin`	`dam nstraight`
`15:36.47`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`15:36.52`	`sorphin`	`small barebones systems`
`15:36.53`	`TomW`	`sorphin: I use ITX boards like crazy now. My workstation measures 8"x8"x11", aluminum case and I have a Pentium-III in there with 2 40Gig drives.`
`15:37.20`	`sorphin`	`shit like this would make all 3 pcs fit on 1 rack shelf :P`
`15:37.40`	`signal11`	`yeah itx is excellent`
`15:37.49`	`TomW`	`sorphin: I have another case with a P-4 board 2Ghz, scsi dat tape, scsi cdrw and 120G drive.`
`15:38.06`	`signal11`	`is there an itx board with a low power athlon?`
`15:38.18`	`sorphin`	`signal11: that's what i was wondering`
`15:38.53`	`TomW`	`This Tuesday, I will tuck my computer & LCD monitor under my arm to visit a customer site to work on some stuff. I just take my whole development stuff with me.`
`15:39.08`	`sorphin`	`hehe`
`15:39.23`	`TomW`	`signal11: all I have seen is Intel boards & Via boards so far.`
`15:39.46`	`signal11`	`it would be cool to build an LCD monitor that was also an itx case`
`15:39.47`	`sorphin`	`TomW: via implying via cpus too?`
`15:39.57`	`signal11`	`sorphin: yeah`
`15:40.04`	`sorphin`	`bah`
`15:40.08`	`signal11`	`mine has a 933 mhz via`
`15:40.16`	`signal11`	`2.4.20 kernel compile took about 10 minutes`
`15:40.22`	`sorphin`	`yuck`
`15:40.34`	`TomW`	`sorphin: The sell something they call a BookPC case: 3"x11.5"x10", about the size of a three-ring binder. I use those in the KFC stores and as servers.`
`15:40.35`	`signal11`	`well you're not going to run CAD programs on it or anything`
`15:40.37`	`sorphin`	`my 1ghz tbird does it in 3 :P`
`15:40.51`	`signal11`	`KFC?`
`15:41.03`	`sorphin`	`kentucky fried chicken`
`15:41.22`	`signal11`	`cool. i drive past the first KFC franchise just about every day`
`15:41.25`	`TomW`	`signal11: I had sooo much trouble with two 800MHz via boards, I called via and they admitted they had some engineering probs with them.`
`15:41.29`	`sorphin`	`man you utah'ins don't get out much ;)`
`15:41.31`	`CosmicPenguin`	`signal11: AMD has a board, but its MIPS based, believe it or not`
`15:41.41`	`signal11`	`CosmicPenguin: heh interesting`
`15:41.44`	`sorphin`	`CosmicPenguin: hmm, does sjmips know about it?`
`15:41.56`	`CosmicPenguin`	`sorphin: he's not kidding - I live about 3 blocks from the first KFC`
`15:42.18`	`sorphin`	`in utah? i saw the thing bout sanders before`
`15:42.20`	`TomW`	`signal11: yeah, I got a guy who runs a few KFC Chicken stores and we use linux there for the daily operation.`
`15:42.22`	`sorphin`	`and i don't remember it being in utah`
`15:42.52`	`signal11`	`sorphin: sanders restaurant was in kentucky. the first franchise was in utah`
`15:43.05`	`sorphin`	`scary`
`15:43.09`	`sorphin`	`explains a lot ;)`
`15:43.15`	`TomW`	`signal11: ITX + Linux + DSL + KFC, works good.`
`15:43.30`	`signal11`	`cool`
`15:43.42`	`sorphin`	`had a bad experience w/ kfc`
`15:44.01`	`signal11`	`TomW: i have the caselogic case, it's about the same size as that bookpc, 11x11x2.5`
`15:44.02`	`TomW`	`signal11: we found a POS vender that will work at getting their registers integrated into our operation.`
`15:44.02`	`sorphin`	`damn chicken was still pink :P`
`15:44.12`	`TomW`	`nod`
`15:44.35`	`sorphin`	`CosmicPenguin: so where's this amd mips board?`
`15:44.50`	`signal11`	`they could easily make a 17" lcd hold an itx mb`
`15:44.51`	`CosmicPenguin`	`sorphin: Its called the Constellation - thats all I know`
`15:44.58`	`TomW`	`signal11: a P-3 MB + BookPC case w/100W internal supply is $230 delivered from freetech.com`
`15:45.01`	`sorphin`	`k`
`15:45.12`	`CosmicPenguin`	`CosmicPenguin: Rochinate, my partner in crime is trying to track down a reference platform`
`15:45.26`	`sorphin`	`umm`
`15:45.31`	`sorphin`	`CosmicPenguin: talking to yourself?`
`15:45.37`	`TomW`	`hrh`
`15:45.39`	`TomW`	`heh`
`15:45.59`	`CosmicPenguin`	`CosmicPenguin: you good looking devil you - how it is that you are so smart?`
`15:46.04`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Oh, wait... :)`
`15:46.25`	`TomW`	`sorphin: it's Friday, give 'em a break, he is shell-shocked from dealing with fools all week: marketing, sales, management....`
`15:46.39`	`sorphin`	`TomW: uhh`
`15:46.43`	`TomW`	`?`
`15:46.52`	`sorphin`	`he has?`
`15:46.59`	`sorphin`	`news to me`
`15:46.59`	`CosmicPenguin`	`TomW: I am my own marketing, sales, and managment. So I guess it make sense that I'm talking to myself`
`15:47.03`	`TomW`	`now you going to tell me he is self-employed, eh?`
`15:47.06`	`TomW`	`LOL`
`15:47.17`	`TomW`	`CosmicPenguin: like I said...`
`15:47.22`	`TomW`	`ROTFL`
`15:47.33`	`TomW`	`split personality`
`15:48.03`	`TomW`	`wince is still busy...`
`15:48.16`	`sorphin`	`TomW: more like dead`
`15:48.30`	`sorphin`	`CosmicPenguin: hmm. can't find any sign of it.. i'll have to bug sjmips about it`
`15:48.36`	`TomW`	`Yeah, there has to be some way to cold reset / purge that sucker.`
`15:48.45`	`sorphin`	`TomW: there is`
`15:49.05`	`TomW`	`"hold down F8 while booting..."?`
`15:49.11`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`15:49.12`	`sorphin`	`no`
`15:49.55`	`TomW`	`I'm not going to put linux on the thing, I'm gonna keep it around to demo WinCE with. :)`
`15:50.00`	`sorphin`	`i know`
`15:50.23`	`sorphin`	`but if it's stuck you might need to do the kick it back to factory clean poweroff bit`
`15:50.44`	`sorphin`	`TomW: what model again?`
`15:50.50`	`TomW`	`3135`
`15:50.55`	`sorphin`	`k`
`15:51.09`	`TomW`	`no, this is too valuable just the way it is.`
`15:51.18`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`15:51.42`	`sorphin`	`TomW: fyi`
`15:51.44`	`sorphin`	`To do a cold reset of all 3100, 3600, and 3700 series iPAQs, toggle the battery DIP switch (as referenced in TIP #1) to the off position and let the device remain off for five minutes. Return the DIP switch to the battery on position to reactivate the battery.`
`15:52.00`	`TomW`	`ok, I got to get that usb modem working, or take it back and get a PCI modem.`
`15:52.11`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`15:52.55`	`CosmicPenguin`	`sorphin: Wait 5 minutes? Wassup with that`
`15:53.00`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Click - Click`
`15:53.23`	`sorphin`	`CosmicPenguin: heh, just what hte page says`
`15:53.28`	`CosmicPenguin`	`sorphin: wince?`
`15:53.41`	`sorphin`	`yeah prolly`
`15:53.45`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Whats wrong with the warm reset button`
`15:54.16`	`sorphin`	`CosmicPenguin: warm resets don't always happen on things :P`
`15:54.27`	`CosmicPenguin`	`I need more coffee and maybe some irish cream`
`15:54.40`	`sorphin`	`CosmicPenguin: Bailey's!`
`16:08.50`	`sorphin`	`ummm`
`16:09.14`	`sorphin`	`uh.. couldn't you already under linux? :P`
`16:09.37`	`sorphin`	`tho`
`16:10.03`	`sorphin`	`nevermind`
`16:10.15`	`sorphin`	`thinking of bzflag`
`16:11.46`	`*** join/#elinux Juliee (~julie@63.115.83.13)`
`16:12.01`	`sorphin`	`Juliee: got enough e's there?`
`16:12.08`	`Juliee`	`nah`
`16:12.22`	`Juliee`	`my gateway/router here was compromised`
`16:12.26`	`Juliee`	`I just reinstalled the OS`
`16:12.29`	`sorphin`	`lovely`
`16:12.39`	`Juliee`	`I can't find much about the compromise though`
`16:12.51`	`Juliee`	`it seems there was one post on google about it dating on the 12th`
`16:12.55`	`Juliee`	`but not much else`
`16:13.01`	`sorphin`	`nod`
`16:13.28`	`Juliee`	`I wouldn't have even known if the compromise hadn't had tried to courpt ps`
`16:13.36`	`sorphin`	`yeah`
`16:13.49`	`sorphin`	`similar when i got DNS ocmpromised a year or so ago`
`16:14.08`	`Juliee`	`I think it was done via either ssh or samba`
`16:14.14`	`Juliee`	`but I upgraded both now`
`16:14.22`	`sorphin`	`nod`
`16:14.45`	`Juliee`	`the odd thing is though I couldn't replace the files they put in /usr/lib/libc`
`16:14.51`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`16:14.51`	`Juliee`	`even when I booted to single user mode`
`16:14.56`	`Tangent`	`chattr -i <filename>`
`16:14.58`	`sorphin`	`what'd it say?`
`16:15.05`	`sorphin`	`yeah`
`16:15.09`	`sorphin`	`Tangent: sounds about right`
`16:15.16`	`Juliee`	`it said permission denied`
`16:15.18`	`Juliee`	`and I was root`
`16:15.27`	`Juliee`	`-i?`
`16:15.27`	`Tangent`	`Yeah.. chattr fixes that`
`16:15.34`	`sorphin`	`Juliee: points at what tangent said`
`16:15.40`	`sorphin`	`immutable`
`16:15.45`	`Juliee`	`ah`
`16:15.48`	`Tangent`	`I can't remember what all the flags stand for... I found a rooted box when I switched jobs`
`16:15.58`	`Juliee`	`well, I simply reinstalled the OS`
`16:16.02`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`16:16.08`	`sorphin`	`or that`
`16:16.10`	`Juliee`	`I set the box up to be easy to re-install if need be`
`16:16.20`	`sorphin`	`Tangent: when the heck did you sneak back in :P`
`16:16.40`	`Tangent`	`heh... sometime this morning... I've been lurking`
`16:17.27`	`sorphin`	`ah`
`16:17.37`	`Tangent`	`I've got a Mips based machine on my desk, and I know TimR does stuff with that...`
`16:17.51`	`sorphin`	`Tangent: so does sjhill`
`16:17.57`	`Tangent`	`so I thought I'd lurk here for a while again`
`16:18.04`	`sorphin`	`Tangent: sjhill's the mips whore`
`16:18.16`	`Tangent`	`mips whore... heheh :)`
`16:18.30`	`sorphin`	`Tangent: timmy's slightly more scarce now`
`16:18.36`	`sorphin`	`Tangent: he works for TI now`
`16:18.59`	`Tangent`	`Oh.. cool... what's he doing now?`
`16:19.08`	`sorphin`	`he's their main linux guy`
`16:19.14`	`Tangent`	`v.nice`
`16:19.27`	`sorphin`	`so he's down in TX now obviously`
`16:22.46`	`sorphin`	`sjhill: well look what woke up`
`16:23.34`	`sorphin`	`sjhill: speaking of mips, CP mentioned an AMD made mips mased machine.. called constellation or such, but i can't find anything on it.. heard of it?`
`16:23.43`	`sorphin`	`s/mased/based/`
`16:27.32`	`Tangent`	`hi sjhill`
`16:28.06`	`prpplague`	`sjhill: ho ho frellin`
`16:28.12`	`prpplague`	`sjhill: happy frekin friday!!!`
`16:28.21`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: heh`
`16:28.24`	`sjhill`	`prpplague: happy friday to you too`
`16:28.30`	`sjhill`	`ya' freak!`
`16:28.34`	`prpplague`	`lol`
`16:29.03`	`sjhill`	`sorphin: i'm not familiar with that name...perhaps if i new what cpu and peripherals were on it`
`16:29.43`	`sorphin`	`sjhill: that's all he said he knew, twas AMD and was called constellation, but google finds squat (tho, that's no real surprise these days)`
`16:30.02`	`sorphin`	`google's become all about paid page rankings :P`
`16:30.23`	`sjhill`	`sniff`
`16:30.27`	`sjhill`	`i know, it sucks`
`16:31.02`	`sorphin`	`searches all the search engines`
`16:31.22`	`sorphin`	`hmmmmm`
`16:31.34`	`sorphin`	`"AMD Constellation III"`
`16:32.02`	`sorphin`	`ah ha`
`16:32.25`	`sorphin`	`hmm..`
`16:32.30`	`sorphin`	`or not`
`16:32.40`	`sorphin`	`damn things can't search specific enough`
`16:33.37`	`sorphin`	`sjhill: found it`
`16:33.52`	`sjhill`	`url`
`16:34.19`	`sorphin`	`actually seems to be a damn vlan router, uses an AMD29k/16mhz risc proc (doesn't say mips tho)`
`16:34.51`	`sorphin`	`"Constellation Pixis"`
`16:36.17`	`sorphin`	`seems a bit not what we were talking about tho, but that's the closest fit i can find`
`16:36.20`	`sjhill`	`it's not mips...entirely different arch`
`16:37.20`	`sorphin`	`yeah, i know`
`16:37.42`	`sorphin`	`i can't find anything else even remotely matching what CP said tho, involving AMD and the name constellation`
`16:37.49`	`sorphin`	`and an ITX type board`
`16:38.44`	`sorphin`	`tho this involves amd and constellation, but that's it`
`16:39.00`	`sorphin`	`sjhill: so i think that kick was deserved ;)`
`16:39.01`	`sorphin`	`clear`
`16:39.03`	`sorphin`	`grr`
`16:39.12`	`*** join/#elinux Russ (~russ@65.39.81.228)`
`16:41.45`	`kergoth`	`hey russ`
`16:44.08`	`sorphin`	`Juliee: yo`
`16:44.16`	`sorphin`	`Juliee: still want that mpeg2vcr serial? ;)`
`17:00.27`	`Juliee`	`sorphin: sure`
`17:27.23`	`CosmicPenguin`	`sorphin: I swear I'm telling the truth`
`17:27.47`	`sorphin`	`CosmicPenguin: well, if mipsboys never heard of it, and i can't find it anywhere.. i dunno :P`
`17:28.02`	`CosmicPenguin`	`sorphin: think whatever you want`
`17:28.18`	`sorphin`	`CosmicPenguin: i meant i dunno where/how else to look for it`
`17:28.21`	`sorphin`	`:P`
`17:28.26`	`sorphin`	`w/o more details`
`17:29.58`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Uhh - this is weird - I can't ping anywhere, but IRC still works?`
`17:30.00`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Wassup with that?`
`17:30.12`	`sorphin`	`hehe`
`17:30.19`	`sorphin`	`maybe you're not really here ;)`
`17:30.33`	`sorphin`	`this is just all a bad dream`
`17:39.42`	`prpplague`	`CosmicPenguin: dns down?`
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`17:46.58`	`CosmicPenguin`	`prpplague: maybe`
`17:47.09`	`CosmicPenguin`	`prpplague: its back now, so no harm no foul, I guess`
`17:59.28`	`theDevil-`	`http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?archive=no&bug=189461`
`17:59.35`	`theDevil-`	`rofl`
`18:06.05`	`prpplague`	`theDevil-: funny`
`18:22.48`	`Russ`	hello kergoth`lunch
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`18:57.02`	`as`	`Russ, sorphin, Its still not working. :/`
`18:59.04`	`Russ`	`:(`
`18:59.05`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Holy moly`
`19:01.16`	`as`	`I might have to try something stupid like a boundry scan attempt, then at least Id know what all the pins were doing.`
`19:03.05`	`as`	`ITs a lot of work though, I'll tair my hair out a bit longer.`
`19:05.25`	`Russ`	`as`
`19:05.33`	`Russ`	`do you have jtag?`
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`19:35.11`	`TheMasterMind1`	`sorphin: around?`
`19:39.51`	`sorphin`	`theDevil-: ya`
`19:39.52`	`sorphin`	`grr`
`19:39.54`	`sorphin`	`TheMasterMind1: ya`
`19:40.08`	`TheMasterMind1`	`hey`
`19:40.25`	`TheMasterMind1`	`need help`
`19:40.29`	`sorphin`	`with?`
`19:40.36`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i want to connect my cellphone to my zaurus`
`19:40.46`	`TheMasterMind1`	`can i take the connector out from the cradle`
`19:40.48`	`TheMasterMind1`	`and use that`
`19:40.56`	`TheMasterMind1`	`well, i just took it out`
`19:41.00`	`TheMasterMind1`	`question is can i use it`
`19:41.25`	`sorphin`	`as long as you didn't trash the pins, yeah, assuming your cell has the stuff to talk to usb/serial`
`19:41.51`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i took the small little circuit board out`
`19:41.54`	`TheMasterMind1`	`the one with the button on it`
`19:41.59`	`TheMasterMind1`	`the wires coming from that`
`19:42.00`	`TheMasterMind1`	`what are they`
`19:42.10`	`TheMasterMind1`	`just plain serial?`
`19:42.47`	`TheMasterMind1`	`basically.. what i wanna know, what circuitry is in the serial cable that sharp sells`
`19:42.47`	`scanline`	`the zaurus cradle is USB.. I think the same connector also has serial, but there's no guarantee the cradle would have those pins`
`19:42.54`	`sorphin`	`umm`
`19:43.01`	`sorphin`	`scanline: uh`
`19:43.03`	`sorphin`	`yeah it does`
`19:43.07`	`sorphin`	`:P`
`19:43.13`	`scanline`	`ok`
`19:43.18`	`sorphin`	`TheMasterMind1: simple`
`19:43.19`	`sorphin`	`none`
`19:43.31`	`sorphin`	`the serial pins are on that 16 pin connector`
`19:43.37`	`TheMasterMind1`	`where is the circuitry that converts serial to usb, is that is the big board thats in the cradle or the small one`
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`19:43.39`	`TheMasterMind1`	`sorphin: k`
`19:43.43`	`sorphin`	`lemme toss you the 16 pin io doc`
`19:43.45`	`bobcat`	`�nic`
`19:43.50`	`sorphin`	`theDevil-: it's on sharp's dev site`
`19:43.55`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heh`
`19:43.55`	`TheMasterMind1`	`k`
`19:43.57`	`chouimat`	`hi`
`19:43.57`	`TheMasterMind1`	`link?`
`19:43.58`	`sorphin`	`but this is easier than looking for it`
`19:44.03`	`theDevil-`	`stop talking to me :)`
`19:44.03`	`TheMasterMind1`	`whats with the button`
`19:44.05`	`sorphin`	`TheMasterMind1: can you take dcc?`
`19:44.08`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ya`
`19:44.10`	`sorphin`	`theDevil-: rename :P`
`19:44.16`	`theDevil-`	`hahaha never`
`19:44.16`	`sorphin`	`TheMasterMind1: 1 sec`
`19:44.25`	`sorphin`	`theDevil-: i could ban you till you do ;)`
`19:44.47`	`chouimat`	`hi sorphin`
`19:44.59`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i have a cable for my cellphone, its basically a connector that connects to the lg5350 phone, which outputs ttl signals, and that goes into a pl203 chip that converts it to a usb connector`
`19:45.06`	`sorphin`	`TheMasterMind1: accept`
`19:45.16`	`TheMasterMind1`	`so with my laptop i can use ttyUSB0 to connect to phone`
`19:45.43`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i'm thinking, can i go directly cellphone ttl to zaurus 16 pin.. or do i need a level convertor in between`
`19:45.52`	`TheMasterMind1`	`do i make any sense?`
`19:46.24`	`theDevil-`	`sorphin: oh comeon you wouldnt :)`
`19:46.59`	`chouimat`	`theDevil-: don<t take anychances with sorphin`
`19:47.00`	`sorphin`	`TheMasterMind1: well, if the phone dumps out usb`
`19:47.04`	`sorphin`	`you don't need conversion`
`19:47.06`	`sorphin`	`chouimat: ;)`
`19:47.21`	`theDevil-`	`hehe`
`19:47.52`	`TheMasterMind1`	`it dumps out serial, but there circuitry and a pl chip that converts to usb`
`19:47.56`	`chouimat`	`doing irc over a 56k line with ssh is not every good idea ggrrrrr`
`19:48.30`	`chouimat`	`�w`
`19:48.42`	`sorphin`	`TheMasterMind1: well`
`19:48.49`	`sorphin`	`TheMasterMind1: if you look on the 16 pinner`
`19:48.55`	`sorphin`	`it has both, so...`
`19:49.03`	`TheMasterMind1`	`the phone signals are ttl, 0-5v, i should be able to hook that into the 16pin and hopefully there will be enough current to make it work`
`19:49.24`	`TheMasterMind1`	`sorphin: hmm, i see that. very interesting. but the zaurus can't do usb host so it won't work i dont' think`
`19:50.03`	`sorphin`	`umm`
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`19:50.33`	`sorphin`	`TheMasterMind1: then your choices are, use serial, or get a usb hub`
`19:51.46`	`TheMasterMind1`	`P/N: TCX3106-010100 (Hoshiden Corporation)`
`19:51.51`	`TheMasterMind1`	`possible to get one of those anywhere?`
`19:53.03`	`sorphin`	`TheMasterMind1: no`
`19:53.14`	`sorphin`	`that's why i had to hack my cradle for the connector for jtag`
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`20:08.04`	`vince`	`hi`
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`20:10.59`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`20:11.09`	`sorphin`	`chouimat: pick a damn name`
`20:11.13`	`sorphin`	`TheMasterMind1: re`
`20:13.12`	`TheMasterMind1`	`hi`
`20:13.22`	`TheMasterMind1`	`this connector was surprisingly easy to pull out of the cradle`
`20:13.26`	`TheMasterMind1`	`io wish it wasn't so big`
`20:13.30`	`TheMasterMind1`	`useless button`
`20:14.36`	`sorphin`	`umm`
`20:14.38`	`sorphin`	`actually not`
`20:14.43`	`sorphin`	`i've had to use that sync button`
`20:15.06`	`sorphin`	`i have to take the connector off completely, i was gonna just patch in`
`20:15.19`	`sorphin`	`but they gnd the pin i need in 3 places`
`20:15.20`	`sorphin`	`so..`
`20:15.51`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heh`
`20:16.01`	`TheMasterMind1`	`which pin do you need`
`20:17.15`	`chouimat`	`sorphin: I have connection problem ... I'm not home so I must use a damn 56k connection to long on my server via ssh`
`20:17.23`	`sorphin`	`chouimat: heh`
`20:17.28`	`sorphin`	`TheMasterMind1: 13`
`20:17.33`	`sorphin`	`which is tied to pin 8`
`20:18.00`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heh`
`20:18.04`	`TheMasterMind1`	`why do you need it`
`20:18.09`	`TheMasterMind1`	`does the Z use it?`
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`20:21.27`	`sorphin`	`TheMasterMind1: not for "normal use"`
`20:21.31`	`sorphin`	`andersee: allo mr bb`
`20:22.57`	`andersee`	`sorphin: g'day eh`
`20:25.14`	`Russ`	`hey andersee`
`20:27.43`	`kergoth`	`hey andersee`
`20:35.52`	`CosmicPenguin`	`brrr.... rain sucks`
`20:36.36`	`chouimat`	`I have to go later`
`20:41.14`	`Russ`	`rain is cool`
`20:44.56`	`Tangent`	`generally`
`20:55.11`	`CosmicPenguin`	`cept when you're walking in it`
`20:56.16`	`Russ`	`naw, even then`
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`21:08.52`	`Russ`	`my god, can the trident sales tech people be more evasive`
`21:09.26`	`Russ`	`Q: "Can I get more specific SDRAM/SGRAM requirements? There isn't much documentation on what speeds and types are supported"`
`21:09.40`	`Russ`	`"For our side, we tested SAMSUNG 2MX32 SDRAM and SAMSUNG 1MX32 SGRAM running at 150MHz"`
`21:10.02`	`Russ`	`what, does this documention for their flagship video chip not exist?`
`21:10.18`	`Russ`	`do they test SDRAM chips until they find stuff that works?`
`21:10.31`	`Russ`	`"ahh....2Mx32 seems to work"`
`21:11.46`	`Russ`	`"We plan on interfacing this <digital output> with an SRAM, or some SDRAM with some glue logic, so I need very detailed timing info"`
`21:12.10`	`Russ`	`"Why do you need to know the pixel clock?"`
`21:17.07`	`as2`	`Tell them something they dont understand maybe.`
`21:17.23`	`Russ`	`I'm pretty sure I'm already past that point`
`21:17.26`	`as2`	`That you want to interlace signals on the access.`
`21:17.43`	`as2`	`Ahh, its just general defensive stuff.`
`21:18.38`	`Russ`	`I don't know how its the place of someone who's job it is to provide tech info to say "why do you need to know ..."`
`21:18.45`	`TheMasterMind1`	`hi`
`21:18.56`	`as2`	`Your making the mistake they are there to help.`
`21:19.12`	`Russ`	`and their TRM is filled with pages that say "data will be included after physical chip has returned"`
`21:19.14`	`as2`	`They arnt, they are there to prevent people getting the information they are after.`
`21:19.22`	`TheMasterMind1`	`You are making the mistake of thinking that they are there to help.`
`21:19.24`	`TheMasterMind1`	`is what you mean`
`21:19.26`	`Russ`	`you'd think they could send me that info at least`
`21:19.48`	`Russ`	`I'm planning on purchasing large quantities of their chip`
`21:19.54`	`Russ`	`if I can get tech info from them`
`21:20.01`	`as2`	`Then talk to your sales contact.`
`21:20.14`	`Russ`	`she is the "tech sales" contact`
`21:20.27`	`Russ`	`a sales person who is supposed to know tech stuff and answer tech questions`
`21:20.43`	`as2`	`Ive never heard of a tech sales contact.`
`21:21.06`	`Russ`	`it took me 5 or 6 emails to determine that 4 of their chip offerings are the same chip sold at different price points with different bios bits set`
`21:21.25`	`Russ`	`as: maybe I'm using the wrong name for it`
`21:21.27`	`as2`	`Haha, that figures.`
`21:21.52`	`Russ`	`because I kept asking for TRM's for them`
`21:22.05`	`Russ`	`and she wouldn't give them to me, just the TRM on one of them`
`21:22.08`	`as2`	`And they really dont want you to know that, or you might be able to change the bits yourself and save a fortune.`
`21:22.18`	`Russ`	`so I'd ask whats different, and she'd list the differences`
`21:22.31`	`Russ`	`and then I'd ask for the TRM, and she'd tell me they were all the same`
`21:22.38`	`Russ`	`"but you just said they were different!"`
`21:22.56`	`Russ`	`as2: I'm NDA'd`
`21:23.27`	`as2`	`Doesnt matter. If you can undercut knowing what you do on their own chips....`
`21:24.07`	`Russ`	`SiS's offering is AGP8x and has a 700 some pin count`
`21:24.17`	`as2`	`A few bits change is probably a lot of money in order to save on hgaving several different chips fabbed with real prices on function.`
`21:24.18`	`Russ`	`so I'd rather not use it, but if they are actually cooperative...`
`21:26.16`	`Russ`	`and the TRM is more like advertising material with feature lists and some token timing diagrams`
`21:26.34`	`as2`	`I keep hitting them.`
`21:26.34`	`Russ`	`with TBA timings`
`21:27.22`	`as2`	`Though I havnt found so much as a product brief for EMMA.`
`21:27.42`	`Russ`	`emma`
`21:27.44`	`Russ`	`?`
`21:28.00`	`as2`	`The NEC chip thats been giving me nightmares.`
`21:28.33`	`as2`	`If I give up on the flash problem, my only choice is to resume attacking that one.`
`21:29.23`	`Russ`	`if you still can't get it, I'm thinking its a cycle interruption`
`21:29.40`	`Russ`	`like an IRQ, or a memory access to flash`
`21:30.02`	`as2`	`I'm running it from a high priority interupt process.`
`21:30.11`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`21:30.13`	`Russ`	`why?`
`21:30.24`	`as2`	`God shouldnt be able to infere with that code.`
`21:30.29`	`sorphin`	`kergoth: hey, i'm trashing but not trashing the cradle`
`21:30.37`	`kergoth`	`sorphin: err?`
`21:30.40`	`Russ`	`why not just disable interrupts`
`21:30.42`	`sorphin`	`kergoth: gonna snag all the connectors and make anotehr board`
`21:30.53`	`as2`	`Several reasons, mainly becuase I have to boot the CPU in boot from link mode, which is stalled.`
`21:30.55`	`sorphin`	`that has conns for jtag, serial and a usb hookup`
`21:31.14`	`sorphin`	`kergoth: or snag a 15 pin connector for the 'new cable' i'll make`
`21:31.29`	`sorphin`	`and make adapters for it`
`21:31.30`	`as2`	`In order to run code, I have to setup the DCU, and force a trap.`
`21:31.38`	`sorphin`	`that way i can 'reuse' the 16 pinner`
`21:31.59`	`as2`	`All that is working fine though, I have operations to make sure the code I want running is running ok.`
`21:32.47`	`as2`	`Aside from that, the flash bank is not the active bank, even if the CPU wasnt stalled apart from my code.`
`21:32.51`	`sorphin`	`kergoth: basically what the cradle wishes it was, but w/o spending 39.99+ more`
`21:33.49`	`Russ`	`as2: did you set the bus timings?`
`21:34.09`	`as2`	`Hmm.`
`21:34.33`	`as2`	`No, but the CPU defaults so it can boot of the flash bank above it.`
`21:34.57`	`Russ`	`I'm not sure what you mean`
`21:34.58`	`as2`	`I think thats all I should need.`
`21:35.01`	`Russ`	`but check your timings`
`21:35.29`	`as2`	`I only need to setup EMI stuff for the DRAM, which I'm not bothering with.`
`21:35.57`	`as2`	`Hmm, I'll run through the startup code just incase though.`
`21:36.27`	`Russ`	`and you might "re"turnoff any writebuffers, cachable bits, etc`
`21:36.36`	`Russ`	`just to be sure`
`21:36.55`	`Russ`	`because unlock1, unlock2, command is three words`
`21:36.55`	`as2`	`I'm using device access commands like the internal code is.`
`21:37.03`	`Russ`	`I know`
`21:37.11`	`Russ`	`writebuffers are part of the die`
`21:37.14`	`Russ`	`not software`
`21:37.16`	`as2`	`Theres no way they can be modified, they go as is.`
`21:37.46`	`as2`	`These cant be cached, they cant be grouped and they are forced to execute in order.`
`21:38.08`	`Russ`	`I don't think you are getting what I'm saying`
`21:38.17`	`Russ`	`most memory controllers have a write buffer of 4 words`
`21:38.22`	`Russ`	`you can have it on, or off`
`21:38.40`	`Russ`	`when you make writes, it stores them in the write buffer until its full, or a timeout occurs`
`21:38.44`	`Russ`	`(if its enabled)`
`21:38.49`	`Russ`	`and then writes them in a burst`
`21:38.49`	`as2`	`Thats not possible for this.`
`21:38.55`	`Russ`	`what do you mean?`
`21:39.10`	`as2`	`I'm using devsw.`
`21:39.17`	`Russ`	`devsw?`
`21:39.47`	`as2`	`Its a specific peripheral access instruction on this CPU, it cant be cached, its not going to be hit by memory controller weirdness.`
`21:40.05`	`Russ`	`hmmm`
`21:40.18`	`Russ`	`what about endian modes and corrections?`
`21:41.05`	`as2`	`I'm doing exactly the same as the firmware is doing, but when I try to call the firmware with my variables, it doesnt work either, something is ignoring me under those circumstances.`
`21:41.21`	`Russ`	`it doesn't matter if you are doing the same`
`21:41.34`	`Russ`	`what matters is the prosessor state`
`21:41.43`	`as2`	`I thought F0 might be the solution. As the firmware probably sneaks that in earlier.`
`22:33.25`	`TheMasterMind1`	`sorphin: the little board with the button and the 16pin connector on it has the other connector which the wire going to the rest of the cradle circuit connects to. any idea what the pin arrangement for that wire/connector is?`
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`22:42.41`	`sorphin`	`TheMasterMind1: heh, close to what you'd expect`
`22:43.08`	`sorphin`	`TheMasterMind1: look at the pdf`
`22:51.59`	`kergoth`	`oi`
`22:52.07`	`kergoth`	`typedef struct shappda_holdkey_info {`
`22:52.21`	`kergoth`	`sharp misspells sharp, then instead of fixing it, copies it to every other place they use it`
`22:54.51`	`code_monkeyboy`	`hi all`
`23:01.38`	`signal11`	`howdy`
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