| 00:03.46 | sorphin | nod |
| 00:03.56 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: that about goes w/ the "freedom fries".. who cares |
| 00:04.15 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: apparently more people then we thought |
| 00:04.30 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm - 2.5.65 doesn't want to build with arm - Makefile issues |
| 00:05.33 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: then they're pathetic |
| 00:22.16 | CosmicPenguin | Attention world - you are pathetic - signed sorphin |
| 00:22.25 | CosmicPenguin | Works for me |
| 00:28.02 | sorphin | ;) |
| 00:28.55 | kergoth | hey sweet, opie-tetrix finally has a high score |
| 00:28.58 | kergoth | now its worth playing |
| 00:30.01 | sorphin | heh |
| 00:30.11 | kergoth | i mean whats tetris without a high score? |
| 00:30.11 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:31.13 | jacques | on SNL they had a new thing |
| 00:31.25 | jacques | they said "you already paid for the wine you dumbasses!" |
| 00:31.28 | jacques | news |
| 00:31.30 | jacques | arg |
| 00:31.34 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:32.22 | jacques | they also said somthing like "France is renaming American cheese to Idiot cheese" |
| 00:32.32 | jacques | i was rolling |
| 00:33.10 | kergoth | win 4 |
| 00:33.12 | kergoth | damn / |
| 00:34.55 | sorphin | heh |
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| 01:43.29 | sorphin | GPSFan_: re ken |
| 01:45.39 | GPSFan_ | hi dan, |
| 01:47.39 | sorphin | GPSFan_: sup? |
| 01:47.53 | kergoth`bbl | hey ken, dan |
| 01:48.25 | sorphin | allo mr oz-final |
| 01:48.50 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: you there you pesky pixil penguin? |
| 01:50.49 | GPSFan_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:53.54 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: sure |
| 01:55.19 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: did you ever get your transcode/dvd stuff sorted out? |
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| 02:44.11 | Speedy2 | !seen timriker |
| 02:44.12 | chouimat | re |
| 02:44.17 | Speedy2 | Hey |
| 02:44.25 | Speedy2 | seen timriker |
| 02:44.38 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:44.45 | sorphin | ibot: seen timriker |
| 02:44.45 | | timriker <~timr@205.208.222.223> was last seen on IRC in channel #elinux, 1d 20h 28m 41s ago, saying: 'ok. headed home....'. |
| 02:45.05 | sorphin | Speedy2: this isn't a warez channel on efnet :P ! commands don't work :P |
| 02:45.36 | Speedy2 | Uhh, OK, sorry, they work in other channels I've been on in freenode |
| 02:45.57 | sorphin | ibot responds to ~ not ! ;-) |
| 02:45.58 | | sorphin: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 02:46.05 | sorphin | ibot: quiet |
| 02:46.06 | | sorphin: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 02:46.13 | sorphin | ~die |
| 02:46.13 | | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 02:46.43 | Speedy2 | ~seen timriker |
| 02:46.43 | | timriker <~timr@205.208.222.223> was last seen on IRC in channel #elinux, 1d 20h 30m 39s ago, saying: 'ok. headed home....'. |
| 02:46.57 | Speedy2 | Hrm. I hope he got home. I need to sell him a monitor. |
| 02:47.14 | sorphin | i'm sure he did, he's just busy |
| 02:47.32 | Speedy2 | Woah: http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/software/winvn/winvn.html |
| 02:47.36 | Speedy2 | That hasn't been updated in a while. |
| 02:48.40 | sorphin | um.. k |
| 02:49.05 | Speedy2 | <-- is searching for a cross-platform news reader (not Mozilla) |
| 02:49.21 | sorphin | ah |
| 02:49.30 | kergoth | i use pan when i need to use news. it feels like forte's agent. not crossplatform afaik |
| 02:49.32 | sorphin | non-gui i use trn |
| 02:49.33 | kergoth | course theres always cygwin |
| 02:50.19 | Speedy2 | Yeah, except I'm sure I'll have to pull my teeth out to get it to cross-compile |
| 02:50.27 | Speedy2 | I hate tin. |
| 02:50.58 | Speedy2 | It gives away your e-mail address even if you don't want it to. |
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| 03:27.42 | sorphin | heh |
| 03:28.30 | chouimat|drunk | hi sorphin |
| 03:28.50 | sorphin | lo |
| 03:29.50 | chouimat|drunk | sorphin: any news? |
| 03:30.22 | sorphin | chouimat|drunk: on? |
| 03:37.19 | chouimat|drunk | sorphin: anything |
| 03:46.07 | sorphin | no |
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| 03:54.51 | chouimat|drunk | ibot: seen prpplague |
| 03:54.51 | | prpplague <~JoeBob1@12.148.134.9> was last seen on IRC in channel #elinux, 12h 3m 44s ago, saying: 'sorphin: lo wcom lackey'. |
| 03:55.06 | sorphin | GPSFan: re |
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| 03:55.50 | GPSFan | hi dan |
| 03:57.13 | sorphin | GPSFan: there was something i was gonna point you at, but now i forget |
| 03:57.30 | sorphin | ah |
| 03:57.32 | sorphin | now i remeber |
| 03:57.42 | sorphin | seen the toaster oven soldering thing on /.? |
| 03:59.35 | fornic8 | That's nothing new. |
| 03:59.42 | fornic8 | (That technique) |
| 03:59.47 | sorphin | uhh |
| 03:59.51 | sorphin | no kidding :P |
| 04:00.35 | sorphin | no offense, btw, but i was talking to gpsfan :P |
| 04:01.51 | GPSFan | sorphin: when I looked /. traffic had saturated the site, I'll look again. I've used hot air guns to unsolder, and desolder, I guess a toaster oven might work, if you wanted to only make a few. ;>) |
| 04:02.31 | sorphin | GPSFan: it was fine when i looked 30 mins ago |
| 04:02.47 | sorphin | don't like that that paste has to be fridged, etc |
| 04:04.02 | GPSFan | sorphin: I looked about 3 hrs ago have been watching a movie. |
| 04:05.02 | sorphin | nod |
| 04:06.43 | GPSFan | works now, looks like there may be quite a bit of cleanup work afterwards. The temp profile also looks a bit long, but I haven't really done any SM production soldering. |
| 04:07.28 | sorphin | yeah |
| 04:07.39 | fornic8 | It's just easier to bridge all the joints and use a wick to remove the excess. |
| 04:07.57 | sorphin | fornic8: heh, i've seen otherwise :P |
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| 04:08.10 | fornic8 | Do you use the oven bake technique often? |
| 04:09.15 | sorphin | i've never used it.. twas talking about bridge removal in general can be a real pain :P |
| 04:09.39 | fornic8 | I'm not talking about soldering, then using a wick to remove a bridge. |
| 04:09.46 | fornic8 | Err, that is soldering each pin one by one |
| 04:09.50 | fornic8 | Ah well, nevermind. |
| 04:10.08 | sorphin | you have no idea what i'm talking about, so nevermind to you either. |
| 04:10.13 | sorphin | GPSFan: anyways |
| 04:10.25 | sorphin | GPSFan: i don't design enough smt to really warrant it |
| 04:11.08 | fornic8 | No, you're saying removing a bridge with a wick is PITA, which I agree |
| 04:11.17 | GPSFan | I've some old solder paste in my toolbox, it's probably dead by now, might pull it out and see if it comes out of the tube. |
| 04:11.21 | sorphin | try a lot of bridges |
| 04:11.26 | sorphin | :P |
| 04:11.34 | fornic8 | What kind of designs do you do? |
| 04:12.31 | sorphin | GPSFan: prolly won't do too well |
| 04:12.54 | GPSFan | sorphin; building any high pincount boards by hand is a lot of work and one really needs to justify the time and effort spent. but if there isn't any alternative it can (and has) been done. |
| 04:13.07 | sorphin | yeah |
| 04:13.27 | sorphin | GPSFan: my most fun was hand soldering a 208 pin intel ether chip :P |
| 04:13.57 | fornic8 | What sux is not being able to do 2-layer homebrew easily. |
| 04:15.14 | GPSFan | I've tried various techiques, with 208 pin parts, used a lot of solder wick too, the worst one I ever did the part didn't have tin plated leads, I don't know what they were but the solder just beaded up on them. finallt talked to the mfgr, and got some new samples which were fine. |
| 04:15.19 | sorphin | fornic8: aww.. don't have a press handy? :P |
| 04:15.32 | fornic8 | sorphin: Alignment problems are more of the issue. |
| 04:15.39 | sorphin | GPSFan: i had to send the board to NZ to a friend who could do it |
| 04:17.14 | sorphin | GPSFan: teh toaster oven might work if you somehow get a bga only part |
| 04:17.16 | GPSFan | good microscope, good light, steady hand, lots of solder wick, small tip iron. did I say practice? |
| 04:17.48 | sorphin | no microscope, got light and steady hand and lots of wick and a small tip |
| 04:18.17 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: were you talking at me earlier? |
| 04:18.26 | GPSFan | first 208 pin I did I used an agfa 8x loop, nearly went blind... |
| 04:18.50 | GPSFan | board worked though. |
| 04:19.02 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: uh.. yeah |
| 04:19.12 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: since i had asked you re the transcode/dvd bit :P |
| 04:19.27 | fornic8 | sorphin: Oh, no Zeiss Stereoscopic microscope? :P |
| 04:19.32 | CosmicPenguin | yeah |
| 04:19.41 | CosmicPenguin | It worked out rill nice |
| 04:19.47 | sorphin | GPSFan: been meaning to get one of those former intel, now digital blue microscope things |
| 04:19.55 | sorphin | ~lart fornic8 |
| 04:20.05 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: well, now i could use some tips ;) |
| 04:20.31 | GPSFan | sorphin: HSC ahd them a while ago, I put off buying one till they were gone ;>( |
| 04:20.31 | CosmicPenguin | I'll do my best |
| 04:20.36 | fornic8 | Wait, those Intel like learn stuff microscopes? I heard they ain't so great. |
| 04:20.44 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I also have been using transcode for my wedding video, with differing effects |
| 04:20.57 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: bottom line - the wav -> mp2 conversion sucks ass |
| 04:21.01 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: everything else works well |
| 04:21.28 | sorphin | GPSFan: heh, office depot has them, plus they're on ebay |
| 04:21.39 | sorphin | fornic8: i've seen images from them, look fine to me |
| 04:22.05 | fornic8 | Well, this discussion came up on a newsgroup (precisely using these for electronics work) and people weren't that impressed. Just passing it on. |
| 04:22.13 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: nod.. well, atm i'm transcoding audio via mpg123 -> toolame |
| 04:22.21 | sorphin | nod |
| 04:22.44 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: from a dvd? |
| 04:23.05 | sorphin | actually no |
| 04:23.13 | sorphin | series 1 tivo recordings |
| 04:23.19 | sorphin | damn 32khz |
| 04:23.21 | CosmicPenguin | ahhh I see |
| 04:23.28 | sorphin | the S2 atleast uses 48khz |
| 04:23.37 | CosmicPenguin | So whats the prob? |
| 04:23.48 | sorphin | heh, my main prob i've always had |
| 04:23.54 | sorphin | is the remuxing |
| 04:24.06 | CosmicPenguin | Thats a fun one |
| 04:24.12 | sorphin | yeah |
| 04:24.34 | sorphin | so what'd you find for the muxing secret to good sync? |
| 04:24.44 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: no real secret |
| 04:25.03 | sorphin | must be, i've never gotten proper sync w/ mplex |
| 04:25.13 | CosmicPenguin | actually - mplex is what I have started using |
| 04:25.26 | sorphin | heh |
| 04:25.27 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: its better than the transcode mplexer |
| 04:25.46 | CosmicPenguin | Ok, I lied |
| 04:25.50 | CosmicPenguin | I've been using the tcmplexer |
| 04:26.07 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: thats a profiler file |
| 04:26.44 | GPSFan | sorphin: compared to my B&L I am sure it sucks, but might be interesting for field work where you need something that ins't too expensive to knock around with. |
| 04:27.19 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: that's nice but i don't want profiling ;) |
| 04:27.45 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I know - its a compile time option though - did you compile the binary yourself or did you get it from someone else? |
| 04:27.58 | sorphin | no, i compiled it, but don't recall seeing that |
| 04:28.11 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: so how were you using tcmplex then? |
| 04:28.20 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: anyway, tcmplex has a -D option, which will let you set the delay on the audio and video streams |
| 04:29.00 | CosmicPenguin | So for example, on one of the chapters of my wedding video, I use -D 0,1200 to delay the audio half a second to sync to the video |
| 04:29.00 | sorphin | nod |
| 04:29.06 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: its really a trial and error thing |
| 04:29.12 | sorphin | oh fun |
| 04:29.16 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: yeah |
| 04:29.27 | CosmicPenguin | I did find I had much better results when I processed the audio and video seperately |
| 04:30.04 | sorphin | well the av is already seperate |
| 04:30.07 | CosmicPenguin | but you are already encoded, so you really don't care |
| 04:34.36 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: its an annoying lifestyle |
| 04:34.43 | CosmicPenguin | what is toolame encoding it as? |
| 04:34.53 | CosmicPenguin | Transcode might be able to help |
| 04:34.55 | CosmicPenguin | with that |
| 04:35.19 | sorphin | toolame is mpeg1 layer 2 |
| 04:35.27 | sorphin | the prob is as i said, source audio is 32khz |
| 04:35.30 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah - what you wanna do is just go mp3 -> mp2 |
| 04:35.42 | sorphin | if i tell toolame the source is 32khz |
| 04:35.44 | sorphin | it segv's |
| 04:35.44 | CosmicPenguin | transcode *should* resample - but who knows? |
| 04:36.00 | CosmicPenguin | eh? |
| 04:36.08 | sorphin | no mp3 here |
| 04:36.17 | CosmicPenguin | and you're just resampling? |
| 04:36.19 | sorphin | source audio is mpeg1 layer 2 @ 32khz |
| 04:36.25 | sorphin | yes |
| 04:36.29 | CosmicPenguin | ahhh |
| 04:36.32 | sorphin | because i've made a vcd w/ 32khz |
| 04:36.37 | sorphin | and my dvd player went chipmunk |
| 04:36.44 | sorphin | cuz it expects 44.1 |
| 04:36.53 | CosmicPenguin | yeah |
| 04:37.35 | sorphin | easier to downsample 48khz if i had to like w/ the S2's output |
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| 05:06.19 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: hmm |
| 05:06.27 | sorphin | INFO: using reference profile (SVCD) |
| 05:06.27 | sorphin | INFO: profile type is (PAL) |
| 05:06.34 | sorphin | that... doesn't seem right.. |
| 05:14.35 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 05:27.40 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: oh yeah |
| 05:27.46 | CosmicPenguin | you need to specify -N |
| 05:27.50 | CosmicPenguin | for NTSC |
| 05:28.09 | CosmicPenguin | and -m v for vcd |
| 05:28.46 | sorphin | heh |
| 05:28.48 | sorphin | oddly enough |
| 05:28.59 | sorphin | mplayer plays it ok, and it looks ntsc |
| 05:29.03 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 05:29.05 | sorphin | weird |
| 05:29.09 | CosmicPenguin | it prolly doesn't matter in the multiplexer |
| 05:29.21 | CosmicPenguin | since the mplexer doesn't really mess with the video or anything |
| 05:29.21 | sorphin | yeah |
| 05:29.28 | sorphin | the sync is dead on |
| 05:29.29 | sorphin | cool |
| 05:29.31 | CosmicPenguin | I assume it forces the frame rate and stuff, but hell |
| 05:29.37 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: good |
| 05:30.20 | sorphin | damn video bitrate's too high tho for svcd, as i figured |
| 05:31.01 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: so what's the wedding video, since you haven't had the wedding yet.. just preperation stuff? |
| 05:32.15 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: yeah, a video diary and crap |
| 05:32.19 | CosmicPenguin | pictures, a little video |
| 05:32.30 | sorphin | ah |
| 05:32.31 | sorphin | cool |
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| 06:26.18 | TimRiker | andersee: leaving at 9:30 tomorrow. last chance to drop off the power supply. ;-) |
| 06:26.45 | TimRiker | We're staying across the street as the house ie empty. |
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| 15:25.33 | prpplague | morning crack babies |
| 15:29.41 | prpplague | kergoth: looks like there is some nice work being done on reverse engineering the bootloader for the z |
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| 16:09.28 | CosmicPenguin | friends, Romans, countrymen1 |
| 16:10.01 | CosmicPenguin | hmm.... M*A*S*H or CNN? Do I want to watch a new war or an old one? |
| 16:31.06 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: you here? |
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| 16:39.41 | CosmicPenguin | You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the South African Rand is the best performing currency in the world, The Swiss hold the America's Cup, France is accusing the US of arrogance, and Germany doesn't want to go to war. |
| 16:39.47 | CosmicPenguin | Heh... thats a good quote |
| 16:46.14 | prpplague | anyone had experience trying to get ie only web sites working under linux? |
| 16:50.50 | GPSFan | prpplague: yeah, you cluebat the webmaster untill they fix it. |
| 17:00.05 | prpplague | GPSFan: ya not gonna happen |
| 17:00.35 | prpplague | GPSFan: the four biggest hardware distributors in the world are suckin bill gates dick |
| 17:04.22 | GPSFan | prpplague: yeah, I know, all the micro$oft tools default to ie only html generation, many times the "webmaster" hasn't a clue that that's the case. It's an uphill battle. |
| 17:10.33 | prpplague | GPSFan: ya well this is an intended html problem |
| 17:10.52 | prpplague | GPSFan: these guys actually check the browser and also for a specific activex file |
| 17:15.00 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I've seen that more and more lately |
| 17:15.08 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: kinda like the issue with MSN and Opera... :( |
| 17:16.03 | CosmicPenguin | I don't blame the webmasters so much as the WYSISYG web editors |
| 17:16.30 | CosmicPenguin | These guys are building out whole web sites using the Adobe product or something else, and they just have no idea whats going on unde the hood |
| 17:17.05 | CosmicPenguin | I'll venture a guess that a third of all "webmasters" in the world couldn't hand write a hello world in html |
| 17:21.09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: lol, yep |
| 17:33.51 | CosmicPenguin | This earthviewer.com stuff on CNN is pretty cool |
| 17:33.57 | CosmicPenguin | but I guess its pretty expensive |
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| 18:42.02 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I can't believe you're not here today |
| 18:54.49 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: going to see sarah in a lil bit, prolly all weekend |
| 18:56.11 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: hey - lookit you... :) |
| 18:56.57 | sorphin | hehe |
| 18:57.16 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: just a quick question - when I play my DVD on my DVD player - it seems that the audio is struggling to catch up with the video, and as a result sounds like crap |
| 18:57.18 | CosmicPenguin | Any advice? |
| 18:57.30 | CosmicPenguin | Sounds great on the PC, BTW |
| 18:57.50 | sorphin | umm |
| 18:58.00 | sorphin | what bitrate is your audio/video ? |
| 18:58.49 | CosmicPenguin | Video 4000 Kb/s, audio 128 |
| 18:58.54 | CosmicPenguin | I've also tried the video at 224 |
| 18:59.03 | CosmicPenguin | sorry, I've also tried the audio at 224 |
| 18:59.15 | CosmicPenguin | 44,100 sample rate |
| 18:59.18 | sorphin | this is a dvd? |
| 18:59.19 | sorphin | hmm |
| 18:59.53 | CosmicPenguin | problems? |
| 19:00.05 | sorphin | GPSFan: gonna try and get a friend of mine in here who knows mips asm, as well as his company has worked w/ the DCT5k ;) |
| 19:01.07 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i'll have to think on it |
| 19:01.42 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: k |
| 19:01.51 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: its pissing me off, because everything else works great |
| 19:02.00 | sorphin | yeah |
| 19:02.16 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I keep hearing about buffering on the DVD and other stuff, but I don't understand very well |
| 19:03.06 | sorphin | yeah |
| 19:03.18 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i'll prolly be back sunday night some time, i'll see what i can do |
| 19:03.21 | GPSFan | sorphin: taht sounds good, I've been pokeing through the code, haven't found where the serial port is setup or used yet. |
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| 19:04.07 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: don't let it get in the way of a little sno-sno, you hear? |
| 19:04.08 | sorphin | GPSFan: ken, meet eric |
| 19:04.12 | sorphin | MuscleNerd: eric, meet ken |
| 19:04.12 | sorphin | ;) |
| 19:04.20 | MuscleNerd | hey ken heh |
| 19:04.21 | GPSFan | hi eric, |
| 19:04.23 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: hehe, i never do ;) |
| 19:04.28 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: atta boy |
| 19:04.52 | MuscleNerd | u guys got any of the rom mapped out yet or is it blank slate right now |
| 19:05.34 | GPSFan | MuscleNerd: sorphin tells me you know a bit about the dct5000. as far as I can tell all that's there is the GI bootloader. |
| 19:06.20 | GPSFan | I have looked at the first few dozen lines of code, (no MIPS experience) so it's slow going. |
| 19:06.26 | MuscleNerd | i've got lots of reverse engineering stuff done for mips roms, but not dct5000 in particular |
| 19:06.32 | MuscleNerd | lots = some |
| 19:07.15 | GPSFan | k, it's a 5432 which is mips IV, objdump generates code that differs in mneumonics from the NEC manual. |
| 19:08.07 | sorphin | cya guys |
| 19:08.22 | GPSFan | have a nice weekend sorphin: |
| 19:08.38 | MuscleNerd | ok i just got the rom... |
| 19:08.46 | MuscleNerd | i'll be back in like 5 mins |
| 19:08.54 | GPSFan | cya. |
| 19:10.33 | MuscleNerd | does the rom image start at 1fc00000? |
| 19:10.37 | MuscleNerd | the file i mean |
| 19:10.49 | GPSFan | bfc00000 |
| 19:10.58 | MuscleNerd | yep ok thanks |
| 19:11.05 | GPSFan | rom 0=bfc00000 |
| 19:12.55 | MuscleNerd | u guys using objdump right? |
| 19:13.59 | MuscleNerd | and is the magical incantation you're using something like: objdump -D -m mips:mips5 -b binary --adjust-vma=0xbfc00000 filename |
| 19:17.23 | GPSFan | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:17.46 | GPSFan | MuscleNerd: that's what I used. |
| 19:18.05 | MuscleNerd | ok cool |
| 19:19.57 | GPSFan | MuscleNerd: if dan didn't give you a trimmed rom file you may want to trim off all the ending FFFF's |
| 19:20.08 | MuscleNerd | yeah he took care of that |
| 19:20.13 | GPSFan | ;>) |
| 19:22.44 | MuscleNerd | (and it looks like the arch difference betweeen your objdump and my objdump example doesn't affect the output (except in the non-code regions where it does't matter anyway) |
| 19:24.22 | GPSFan | yeah, I tried a few other architecture settings and came to the same conclusion. but I don't know jack about MIPS, so what looked like non-code to me may not be. ;>) |
| 19:24.49 | MuscleNerd | heh |
| 19:25.26 | GPSFan | that's what this all about, learning. |
| 19:26.12 | MuscleNerd | i didnt enjoy learning mips :) especially gp-relative addressing |
| 19:27.15 | GPSFan | how long have you been doing mips related work? |
| 19:27.55 | MuscleNerd | i learned it once i got my S2 Tivo (i had been doing powerpc for hacking S1 tivo stuff) |
| 19:28.10 | MuscleNerd | sorphin: like november-ish |
| 19:28.39 | MuscleNerd | oops autocompleted wrong |
| 19:28.43 | MuscleNerd | so like: november-ish |
| 19:29.21 | GPSFan | cool, the dct5000 has an ide interface, and lots of web references say that it was intended to have PVR capabilities. so here's hoping... |
| 19:30.46 | MuscleNerd | looks like theres roughly 150 functions in it |
| 19:32.12 | GPSFan | there are several linux ports for the 5432, and some of NEC's eval boards use the ALI 1543, which are supported. It will make a cool computer, the big trick will be trying to make the cable/tv/analog stuff work under linux. |
| 19:33.04 | MuscleNerd | (150 functions in the rom).....yeah i should prob learn more about what the box does heh |
| 19:33.14 | MuscleNerd | right now though for what i'm doing it doesn't matter |
| 19:34.18 | GPSFan | MuscleNerd: can you tell where the code talks to the serial port? which is 16550 compatible in the ALI 1543, which lives on the PCI bus. |
| 19:35.47 | MuscleNerd | i can work towards that...is that your primary goal right now |
| 19:35.52 | MuscleNerd | as far as the rom |
| 19:36.05 | MuscleNerd | i haven't even found the PCI enumeration routines yet : |
| 19:36.07 | MuscleNerd | :) |
| 19:37.38 | GPSFan | basically what we want to know is how the bootloader code loads code from the outside world. then how much initialization has been and needs to be done in the loaded code to begin to bring up a more capable bootloader like blob. |
| 19:38.26 | GPSFan | that will allow us to load test programs into the box and probe for the additional hardware. |
| 19:39.04 | MuscleNerd | gotcha |
| 19:40.44 | GPSFan | so far what we know is that the boot loader does talk to the serial port, and the front panel display & buttons. we think that it also is looking at one of the cable interfaces for some kind of a signal from the HE equipment. |
| 19:41.27 | MuscleNerd | where exactly does that "DCT5000 Boot ROM v%s" string end up |
| 19:41.44 | GPSFan | the serial port runs at 38400 N81 and spews out all manner of messages, most of which we have found in the rom code. |
| 19:42.01 | MuscleNerd | is the msg i just mentioned put out over the serial port? |
| 19:42.08 | GPSFan | yes. |
| 19:42.11 | MuscleNerd | ok |
| 19:42.29 | GPSFan | with the version # filled in as 1.17 |
| 19:43.23 | MuscleNerd | ok |
| 19:46.02 | MuscleNerd | hey i gotta go grab lunch , but i'll be back in about an hour...so in like 1.5-2 hours i'll let you know what i've found so far....i think i have enough to find the serial routines |
| 19:46.46 | GPSFan | MuscleNerd: thanks a hole lot, have a good lunch. I need to go out later too, so I'll cy later.. |
| 19:46.58 | GPSFan | s/hole/whole |
| 19:47.07 | MuscleNerd | yep see ya in a few... |
| 19:52.13 | chouimat | hi |
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