| 00:03.48 | sieve | night all |
| 00:07.09 | jacques | damn I cant get to freshmeat or slashdot from work right now - some routing problem close to the last hop |
| 00:07.14 | jacques | I can get there from home machine |
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| 02:18.53 | CosmicPenguin | Wassup foks? |
| 02:18.59 | CosmicPenguin | quiet tonight? |
| 02:19.19 | CosmicPenguin | sad - a built pixil tree is 51MB |
| 02:20.38 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: heh |
| 02:20.44 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: only until we fork ;) |
| 02:21.35 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 02:22.50 | chouimat|reading | CosmicPenguin: watching 245 |
| 02:23.00 | chouimat|reading | s/245/24 |
| 02:23.12 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat|reading: ahh - hasn't hit our timezone yet |
| 02:23.36 | chouimat|reading | CosmicPenguin: better than 2hrs American Idol :P |
| 02:23.57 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat|reading: well, thats a given |
| 02:24.09 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat|reading: but 24 is really the best show on TV at this point |
| 02:24.16 | CosmicPenguin | fiction show that is |
| 02:24.39 | chouimat|reading | CosmicPenguin: yup and I love my ATI TV Wonder :) |
| 02:24.47 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat|reading: heh |
| 02:31.46 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:33.45 | CosmicPenguin | hahah |
| 02:34.06 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: what're you lauging at pixilbloater? :P |
| 02:47.49 | Morn | evening all |
| 02:48.07 | sorphin | allo jules |
| 02:49.04 | Morn | I am REALLY nervous, I have an interview tomorrow |
| 02:49.34 | sorphin | to do what? |
| 02:49.45 | Morn | Director of IT for a small non-profit |
| 02:49.51 | sorphin | ah |
| 02:50.29 | Morn | it really just a fancy title for 'Girl who does everything computer' |
| 02:50.39 | Morn | s/it/it is/g |
| 02:51.00 | sorphin | nod |
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| 02:52.17 | sorphin | prpplague: evening |
| 02:53.18 | prpplague | lo |
| 02:53.19 | chouimat|tv | hi prpplague |
| 02:57.03 | Morn | I just finished a great book |
| 02:57.13 | Morn | E=mc^2 |
| 02:57.19 | Morn | it was well written |
| 02:57.32 | chouimat|reading | Morn: currently reading Moorcock The Skrayling Tree |
| 02:58.55 | Morn | I'm debating reading a book on sphreical astronomy from 1906 |
| 02:59.04 | CosmicPenguin | fun |
| 02:59.30 | Morn | my friends make fun of me when I go into a used book store |
| 02:59.45 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: bastard |
| 02:59.54 | chouimat|reading | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 03:00.06 | Morn | I have an ebook I should read on gender bias in AI |
| 03:00.14 | CosmicPenguin | wow |
| 03:00.49 | CosmicPenguin | ooh 24 |
| 03:00.53 | cosmic_24 | later |
| 03:00.54 | Morn | CosmicPenguin: how comes pixil? |
| 03:01.02 | Morn | I guess I'll find out later |
| 03:01.52 | scanline | ah, finally... |
| 03:01.54 | scanline | http://picogui.org/Screenshots/20030325_emacs/photo_view |
| 03:29.35 | Morn | Quantum Gravity, Generalized Theory of Gravitation and Superstring Theory-Based Unification |
| 03:29.42 | Morn | sadly that looks like an interesting book |
| 03:31.07 | sorphin | heh |
| 03:31.34 | Morn | the bad part is the ebook costs $150 |
| 03:32.36 | sorphin | heh |
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| 03:52.07 | sorphin | TomW: evening |
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| 04:10.56 | CosmicPenguin | What happened to the crazy prpplague? |
| 04:13.35 | sorphin | guess he got bored w/ us and went back to his beer and nanny |
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| 04:22.14 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: does your messaging system work? |
| 04:22.15 | | CosmicPenguin: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 04:22.22 | CosmicPenguin | tldp? |
| 04:22.51 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: you are a dick |
| 04:22.52 | | CosmicPenguin: what are you talking about? |
| 04:23.09 | CosmicPenguin | bah - if anyone sees prpplague - I need to converse with him |
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| 04:33.50 | sorphin | heh |
| 04:57.49 | chouimat|Zzzz | nigth |
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| 06:08.50 | TimRiker | tldp is The Linux Documentation Project at http://www.tldp.org/ |
| 06:08.57 | TimRiker | ibot: tldp is The Linux Documentation Project at http://www.tldp.org/ |
| 06:08.57 | | okay, TimRiker |
| 06:15.28 | jacques | TimRiker: hi, how's it going? |
| 06:16.04 | TimRiker | ok. headed home.... |
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| 06:17.41 | jacques | :-( |
| 06:18.34 | sorphin | jacques: allo |
| 06:18.50 | jacques | hi sorphin :-) |
| 06:19.18 | sorphin | what kinda #'s you think glxgears shoulda gotten on this bitch? |
| 06:19.31 | jacques | what bpp you running ? |
| 06:20.19 | jacques | at 32bpp you should be seeing at *least* 3000fps in glxgears |
| 06:28.20 | jacques | sorphin: so what numbers are you seeing? |
| 06:38.31 | sorphin | i was seeing over that |
| 06:39.27 | jacques | then you are probably good |
| 06:39.33 | sorphin | nod |
| 06:39.33 | jacques | were you seeing over 4000 ? |
| 06:39.58 | sorphin | are we talking full screen or the window? |
| 06:40.08 | jacques | the window |
| 06:40.25 | jacques | just what you get by typing glxgears |
| 06:40.28 | sorphin | yeah |
| 06:40.42 | sorphin | it'd end up over 4k |
| 06:41.05 | jacques | 20627 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4125.400 FPS |
| 06:41.40 | jacques | have you played with nvclock on linux? it lets you overclock |
| 06:42.03 | jacques | Card: nVidia Geforce 4 Ti 4200 |
| 06:42.03 | jacques | Card number: 1 |
| 06:42.03 | jacques | Memory speed: 540.000 MHz |
| 06:42.03 | jacques | Core speed: 300.000 MHz |
| 06:47.23 | sorphin | only nudged OC'ing on 2k |
| 06:47.35 | sorphin | card apparently is running at 297, made it 300 even :P |
| 06:49.12 | jacques | you should have some good memory speed tho |
| 06:49.49 | sorphin | 300/650 stock |
| 06:50.40 | jacques | yeah |
| 06:52.08 | sorphin | and still no dawn hack :P |
| 06:52.20 | sorphin | should be in your history :P |
| 06:59.32 | jacques | i just read a blurb, I didnt follow the link |
| 07:14.00 | jacques | heading home |
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| 09:10.00 | jex | hi |
| 09:10.29 | jex | anyone works with intell arm ppc ? |
| 09:10.49 | jex | i need some helps...please.. |
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| 11:36.11 | jex | hi |
| 11:36.22 | jex | anyone use arm ppc here ? |
| 11:36.31 | jex | please help me . |
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| 14:18.55 | TomW | GPSFan: good morning |
| 14:28.02 | GPSFan | morning TomW: how's lift in PA? |
| 14:28.11 | GPSFan | s/lift/life |
| 14:28.39 | TomW | ah, slow and easy. |
| 14:29.09 | TomW | although, tomorrow I have to make a trip into New Jersey to visit a site for a customer. :( |
| 14:30.15 | TomW | I'm just collecting / begging samples for a new ARM design. |
| 14:32.50 | GPSFan | ah, I looked over the dct5000 code, whil reading in the MIPS user manual about reset, and exception vectors, and what's in the rom at locn 0, 200,280,300,380 look like a good match for those vectors. |
| 14:35.06 | TomW | good, I think that it is a large rom with a tiny program as the models we have are general purpose in the sense that the purchaser could feed it proper code to run. |
| 14:35.36 | TomW | Then, when the Mot people had to build a more customized version, they could fill the rom with much more code. |
| 14:35.37 | TomW | ? |
| 14:36.37 | GPSFan | yeah, looks like code and stuff only occupies the first 64Kbytes or about 8k 64bit instructions max, so it shouldn't be to hard to disassemble. |
| 14:36.52 | GPSFan | s/bit/bytes |
| 14:37.10 | GPSFan | doh, I'm not awake yet ;P |
| 14:37.40 | TomW | Yeah, interesting thing would be to reverse engineer it and get some idea of how to control the front panel display and read the buttons. |
| 14:38.43 | GPSFan | I still don't have a disassembler, found one on the web, but it would only handle elf format code. |
| 14:42.48 | TomW | yeah, there doesn't seem to be a lot of tools available for the MIPS processors. I started to look for a cross compiler + toolchain and was frustrated in finding anything. |
| 14:45.16 | GPSFan | me too, however tymesys has a downloadable sdk at 90Mbytes, I downloaded it, but havent don anything with it yet. sorphin built a toolchain for his tvio maybe he would package it up for us. |
| 14:45.25 | GPSFan | http://www.realtime-info.be/vpr/layout/display/pr.asp?PRID=3240 |
| 14:47.16 | GPSFan | http://www.timesys.com/index.cfm?hdr=linux_header.cfm&bdy=linux_bdy_download.cfm&item_id=84 |
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| 14:48.25 | TomW | thanks, both are bookmarked and I'll check them out later. |
| 14:48.34 | GPSFan | ;>) |
| 14:48.36 | TomW | Time to go beg more samples. :) |
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| 15:12.18 | sieve | morning all |
| 15:12.53 | TomW | nearly afternoon here in PA... |
| 15:16.39 | sorphin | man, that same dude keeps coming in here for that ppc crap, i guess he doesn't realize NO ONE HERE USES THAT.. even after telling him 1000000 times :P |
| 15:16.48 | sorphin | towm: umm.. i have a mips toolchain |
| 15:16.56 | sorphin | TomW: redirect that to you |
| 15:17.23 | sorphin | it's not that hard to build one :P the damn series2 tivo uses a 5432, built a damn chain in a few mins |
| 15:17.29 | TomW | Where did you find it? GPSFan had a link to one. |
| 15:17.35 | sorphin | find? |
| 15:17.38 | sorphin | built :P |
| 15:17.42 | TomW | k |
| 15:18.08 | TomW | I haven't bothered to build a cross chain in a while. |
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| 15:18.27 | sorphin | TomW: Configured with: ./configure --target=mips-linux --prefix=/usr/local/mips-tivo --program-prefix= --program-transform-name= --disable-shared |
| 15:18.28 | sorphin | Thread model: single |
| 15:18.28 | sorphin | gcc version 3.0 |
| 15:18.44 | TomW | prpplague: CosmicPenguin is looking for you. |
| 15:19.02 | sorphin | and doesn't know how ot use botmail ;) |
| 15:19.06 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya i bet, i still owe him a k |
| 15:20.02 | TomW | sorphin: noted, thanks. |
| 15:20.08 | prpplague | and a z and some max232 chips, lol |
| 15:20.25 | sorphin | TomW: i could prolly tar up hte dir :P |
| 15:20.36 | sorphin | prpplague: and a p32 explosive space modulator |
| 15:21.08 | TomW | not now, I cannot get distracted with tinkering. I have an ARM design to design & proto. |
| 15:21.18 | prpplague | sorphin: no, i keep those for myself along with my stash of flux caps |
| 15:21.29 | prpplague | TomW: oh? |
| 15:21.33 | sorphin | prpplague: i saw someone sell a flux capacitor on ebay |
| 15:21.36 | sorphin | it was nice |
| 15:21.37 | prpplague | TomW: what cpu? |
| 15:21.47 | sorphin | looked exactly like the movie one |
| 15:21.56 | sorphin | lit and al |
| 15:21.58 | sorphin | all |
| 15:22.37 | TomW | prpplague: PE7312 from Cirrus. |
| 15:23.12 | prpplague | TomW: gonna be a proprietary design? |
| 15:24.00 | TomW | it will be: 10BaseT (CS8900A), Quad UART (Phillips 28L194), 1/4 VGA + Touchscreen, Compact Flash, and an expansion bus. |
| 15:24.09 | TomW | prpplague: proprietary, yes. |
| 15:24.20 | prpplague | TomW: bummer |
| 15:24.25 | TomW | prpplague: um, oh, and it will run linux. |
| 15:24.27 | sorphin | yay. /. is b0rked |
| 15:24.34 | TomW | ? |
| 15:25.15 | TomW | hmm, /. got /.'ed. |
| 15:25.20 | prpplague | TomW: i'm still pushing forward with the hackkit, but i'm still looking for board experience and cheap designs |
| 15:25.21 | sorphin | or something |
| 15:25.45 | sorphin | prpplague: now the question comes, which will be released 1st... pixil, or the hackkit ;) |
| 15:26.10 | prpplague | sorphin: ya well, i just sent the 1/2 payment for the production |
| 15:26.17 | prpplague | sorphin: should be ready in 5 weeks |
| 15:26.20 | TomW | prpplague: I may subvert the basic design to make a public offering: e.g. remove the RS485 circuitry and make it only RS232 or something like that. |
| 15:26.40 | TomW | prpplague: or, leave off the integral power supply / charger. |
| 15:26.40 | prpplague | sorphin: damm near had a heart attack signing the check |
| 15:27.08 | prpplague | TomW: i'm having serious regrets about using sa-1110 |
| 15:27.16 | TomW | cost? |
| 15:27.23 | prpplague | TomW: i really wish i'd used one of sharps or cirrus chips |
| 15:27.29 | prpplague | TomW: cost and availablity |
| 15:27.48 | prpplague | TomW: aug 8 is last date of order for sa-1110 |
| 15:27.48 | TomW | yeah, BGA makes sense if you are planning to build > 100K units. |
| 15:28.13 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:28.17 | TomW | well.... they did say that the migration to XScale was supposed to be possible? |
| 15:28.17 | prpplague | TomW: ya i guess i'm one of those moron's that always has to learn the hardway |
| 15:28.32 | prpplague | TomW: negative, a complete re-work of the board would be nessary |
| 15:28.45 | prpplague | TomW: since none of the scale chips are pin compatible |
| 15:29.09 | TomW | I'll tell you, the cirrus PE9310 is a really nice chip! 384 pin BGA, but a killer system on a chip! |
| 15:29.43 | prpplague | TomW: ya, my plan is to sell the hackkit-v1 and re-coup my money and try a second time |
| 15:30.42 | chouimat | weatherbot: weather cyqb |
| 15:30.44 | weatherbot | Current conditions at Quebec, Que, Canada: It is 2 C (37 F), windspeed is 9.66 km/h, and visibility is 1.61 km. (Information current as of 2003.03.26 1500 UTC). |
| 15:31.11 | prpplague | weatherbot: weather bfe |
| 15:31.13 | weatherbot | Failed to lookup weather at station BFE |
| 15:31.14 | TomW | prpplague: I may try a PE9310 design later on, once I get paid for the PE7312 stuff first. I do like that 9310! |
| 15:32.02 | TomW | whew! 57 degrees in Allentown, PA and not yet 12:00. |
| 15:32.03 | chouimat | PE9310? |
| 15:32.18 | TomW | chouimat: Cirrus Logic |
| 15:32.50 | TomW | http://www.cirrus.com/en/products/pro/detail/P131.html |
| 15:32.53 | prpplague | TomW: once i get things undercontrol here, i'm gonna start over with my embedded goals, sure need to get back to basics |
| 15:33.08 | TomW | err, EP9312 , wrong number. :/ |
| 15:33.38 | TomW | prpplague: you could still cancel the order for the hackkit can't you? |
| 15:33.48 | prpplague | TomW: yes and no |
| 15:33.53 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: re your comment - the hackkit is prpplague's responsibility - I have no final say about Pixil |
| 15:34.13 | chouimat | hmmm today to do: spend the day updating my systems? or still hunting for an appartment because the one I found is a little expensive? or found a better job/or contract? |
| 15:34.20 | prpplague | TomW: yes i could, but i wouldn't do that to me friend, he's put alot of time into it |
| 15:34.25 | TomW | Well, there could be a penalty, but, considering the status of the SA-1110, it almost doesn't make sense to go forward with it. |
| 15:34.37 | prpplague | TomW: agreed |
| 15:34.37 | TomW | the XScale is still unproven, IMHO. |
| 15:35.05 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i never said you did |
| 15:35.12 | chouimat | ARM920T is which version of arm? |
| 15:35.20 | TomW | EP9312 is 200MHz, and it has USB + IDE + Paralell port + yada yada. |
| 15:35.53 | prpplague | TomW: ya xscale is too unproven and has too many silicon problems |
| 15:36.08 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: yeah, I have a customer, and his xscale is giving him ulcers |
| 15:36.56 | TomW | prpplague: if you are willing to pay for the protos, and share the design ownership, I might be interested in doing the design. |
| 15:36.58 | chouimat | TomW: sound nice ... me go back reading is digital design books |
| 15:37.22 | TomW | chouimat: not sure which armV it is |
| 15:37.24 | prpplague | TomW: ok, i'll consider it |
| 15:38.34 | TomW | prpplague: do that, I would like a powerfull GP ARM engine to sell / demo to a customer. I need something small that will run a 1024x768 color LCD and is fast. 120MIPS is fine for what I need to use. |
| 15:39.52 | chouimat | TomW: seems to be armv4 |
| 15:54.12 | kergoth | hey |
| 15:55.21 | sorphin | lo chris |
| 15:58.34 | chouimat | morning kergoth |
| 16:03.52 | sieve | kergoth: morning |
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| 16:44.05 | prpplague | anyone here familiar with postscript ? |
| 16:45.33 | sorphin | maybe. what about it? |
| 16:45.41 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: as in writing postscript by hand? |
| 16:45.56 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya |
| 16:46.14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: we've got a ps form we create thats giving us problems |
| 16:46.16 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: fire away - but I can't promise you anything |
| 16:46.34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: seems its leaving "data received" on the printer even after the job is complete |
| 16:46.36 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I had to write postscript by hand in school, but that was a while ago |
| 16:47.06 | chouimat|coffee | prpplague: http://www.rightbrain.com/pages/books.html <--- you can download thinking in postscript on that page |
| 16:47.19 | prpplague | chouimat|coffee: thanks |
| 16:47.30 | chouimat|coffee | prpplague: very good book |
| 16:50.17 | sorphin | ROTFL |
| 16:50.23 | sorphin | Click here to download the book: |
| 16:50.23 | sorphin | Windows Users ($5): eMatter 846k |
| 16:50.24 | sorphin | Macintosh Users (free): ThinkingInPostScript.pdf 846k |
| 16:50.41 | sorphin | wtf is "ematter" |
| 16:50.58 | sorphin | i'd just download the damn pdf.. since a pdf isn't "only for mac users" :P |
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| 16:54.37 | prpplague | sjhill: ho ho ho |
| 16:54.37 | sjhill | hey everybody |
| 16:54.38 | sorphin | sjhill: hey mipsbitch |
| 16:54.50 | TomW | ooooh |
| 16:54.51 | sjhill | ~ibot bitchslap sorphin |
| 16:54.52 | | ACTION beats the sh*t out of sorphin |
| 16:54.57 | sjhill | hi prpplague |
| 16:54.57 | prpplague | sjhill: listen to national pinko radio lately? |
| 16:54.57 | TomW | LOL |
| 16:54.59 | sorphin | sjhill: i seem to be the only person in here who hasn't had a prob building a mips toolchain :P |
| 16:55.04 | sjhill | prpplague: ? |
| 16:55.14 | prpplague | sjhill: NPR - public radio |
| 16:55.24 | sjhill | prpplague: no, now what? |
| 16:55.29 | sjhill | sorphin: uclibc or glibc based? |
| 16:55.41 | sorphin | sjhill: both tomw and gpsfan seem to have had probs, and i had one built in 15 mins :P |
| 16:55.46 | sorphin | sjhill: glibc |
| 16:56.31 | sjhill | glibc-2.2.5 or the 2.3.x crap? |
| 16:57.02 | sorphin | i dunno what they were doing it with.. |
| 16:57.07 | sorphin | i did it w/ 2.2.3 |
| 16:57.15 | sorphin | back when i did it |
| 16:58.33 | sjhill | TomW, GPSFan: tool versions and config lines? -> sjhill@realitydiluted.com |
| 16:59.37 | TomW | sjhill: I was only giving a quick look for a binary. I am knee deep in paying work right now and will look at a MIPS tool chain build later. |
| 16:59.50 | TomW | :( |
| 17:00.00 | TomW | work now, play later. |
| 17:00.25 | GPSFan | sorphin: I didn't have a problem building a MIPs toolchain, I didn't even try yet. I'been looking for a pre-built one, and been unsuccessful in finding one. I've never built a toolchain before, and was hoping to avoid having to learn that. |
| 17:00.27 | chouimat|coffee | TomW: boring paying work or fun one? |
| 17:00.29 | sjhill | TomW: how about just giving me tool versions, binutils, gcc, glibc and i can look from there |
| 17:00.47 | TomW | chouimat|coffee: fun, new ARM design. |
| 17:00.50 | sjhill | GPSFan: i have glibc and uclibc ones....which do you want? |
| 17:01.09 | chouimat|coffee | TomW: lucky ... I'm doing boring maintenance lately |
| 17:01.50 | GPSFan | sjhill: all I'm looking for atm is objdump that runs on an x86 and will disassemble for MIPS IV. will need compilers etc later. |
| 17:07.55 | sjhill | GPSFan: ah, then just use my uclibc chains - > ftp://ftp.realitydiluted.com/linux/MIPS/toolchains/uclibc |
| 17:08.16 | GPSFan | sjhill: Thanks! I'll check it out... |
| 17:09.18 | chouimat|coffee | sjhill: nice domain name |
| 17:09.52 | sjhill | :) |
| 17:09.58 | GPSFan | sjhill: there are 3 different ones, plain, mips, and mipsel, which one? ore dioes it matter? |
| 17:16.35 | sorphin | GPSFan: i've never seen anything use mipsel (little endian) |
| 17:16.56 | sorphin | sjhill: have you ? |
| 17:17.10 | sjhill | sorphin: yes |
| 17:17.29 | sjhill | GPSFan: which directory are you in? |
| 17:17.40 | sorphin | sjhill: in what? |
| 17:17.51 | kergoth | argh |
| 17:18.15 | kergoth | god i hate talking to customers that are not only idiots, but also can barely manage to speak english |
| 17:18.27 | sjhill | sorphin: philips nino, actually all of the WinCE devices that used MIPS processors |
| 17:18.51 | sorphin | hmm |
| 17:19.10 | GPSFan | sjhill: ftp://ftp.realitydiluted.com/linux/MIPS/toolchains/uclibc/RPMS/ |
| 17:19.13 | sorphin | sjhill: i suppose it makes sense using CE :P |
| 17:20.22 | sjhill | sorphin: right, since M$ does all little-endian stuff |
| 17:20.58 | sjhill | GPSFan: the plain file is the docs and gdb, you can use mips or mipsel as both sets of binutils will work for you |
| 17:21.20 | GPSFan | sjhill: thanks, downloading now. |
| 17:21.27 | sorphin | sjhill: well, never worked on a device that used CE, so.. |
| 17:34.44 | CosmicPenguin | Anyone here willing to own up to be a javascript guru? |
| 17:34.57 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: you must be kidding ;-) |
| 17:35.38 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: sadly, no |
| 17:35.52 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: wish I was |
| 17:35.53 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: what are you doing to pixil this time? |
| 17:36.03 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: not pixil - another gig |
| 17:36.07 | sorphin | ah |
| 17:36.08 | sorphin | phew |
| 17:37.28 | chouimat|coffee | s/CosmicPenguin/sorphin |
| 17:37.43 | sorphin | since you just made no damn sense ;) |
| 17:38.02 | chouimat|coffee | sorphin: need more slep this morning my brain is rotting |
| 17:38.07 | CosmicPenguin | what chew talkin bout willis? |
| 17:38.13 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you think the $450 price for the hackkit is too high? |
| 17:38.21 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: it is for me... :) |
| 17:38.25 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: but for the rest of the world - no |
| 17:38.34 | sjhill | chouimat|coffee: sleep....bah |
| 17:38.42 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: its just as powerful as a Ipaq / Z / etc - and it is way more extendable |
| 17:38.46 | sorphin | chouimat|coffee: sounds like you need more caffeine |
| 17:39.06 | prpplague | sjhill: fun |
| 17:39.19 | chouimat|coffee | sorphin: no I just need to have my mind cleared of some depressing thouhgt |
| 17:39.20 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: hacking the Ipaq or the Z is a limited activity at best |
| 17:39.40 | prpplague | sjhill: what about you, think $450 is too high for the hackkit? |
| 17:39.45 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: with the hackkit sky==limit |
| 17:40.09 | chouimat|coffee | ibot change 450 usd to cad |
| 17:40.14 | sorphin | prpplague: i don't think it's too high (cept for me *grin*), but like CP said, much more open w/ what it can do |
| 17:40.27 | sjhill | prpplague: that's not too bad |
| 17:40.45 | sjhill | prpplague: you might be better off buying some of the older sharp zaureses for cheap |
| 17:41.07 | prpplague | sjhill: have you seen the hackkit board? |
| 17:41.41 | sorphin | prpplague: i understand why too.. seeing as you're budgeted like the rest of us here.. we can afford $99 but not $450 |
| 17:42.53 | prpplague | sjhill: this is one i designed based on the assabet |
| 17:42.53 | sjhill | prpplague: uh...no...url? |
| 17:42.59 | prpplague | ibot: hackkit |
| 17:42.59 | | somebody said hackkit was http://hackkit.eletztrick.de/ |
| 17:43.29 | prpplague | sjhill: all sa-1110 pins available on .1" headers |
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| 17:44.17 | CosmicPenguin | seesh - motherlovin' cat |
| 17:50.28 | sjhill | prpplague: i think $375 - $400 is a better price point imho |
| 17:51.11 | prpplague | sjhill: with jtag cable, serial cable, lcd and breadboard? |
| 17:51.24 | chouimat|coffee | prpplague: feature? |
| 17:51.25 | prpplague | sjhill: or just what you see? |
| 17:51.28 | prpplague | chouimat|coffee: ? |
| 17:52.18 | sjhill | prpplague: if it has a lcd and cables, then $450 is a good price |
| 17:53.16 | prpplague | sjhill: as a professional developer, you think that its sellable? |
| 17:56.00 | mallum | kergoth: is mkswap somewhere in the buildroot ? |
| 17:56.44 | kergoth | util-linux |
| 17:58.18 | mallum | cool, thx |
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| 18:34.27 | prp_lunch | andersee: hey hey mr.uC |
| 18:34.38 | kergoth | hey andersee |
| 18:41.38 | chouimat|lunch | huh? a perfume named after Celine Dion? you're as ugly as her now you can smell like her |
| 18:43.49 | prp_lunch | chouimat|lunch: lol, what you think celine is ugly? |
| 18:43.59 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat|lunch: aren't you required by law to worship Celine Dion? |
| 18:44.07 | sorphin | hehe |
| 18:44.10 | prp_lunch | lol |
| 18:44.39 | sorphin | i thought there was a statue of her in downtown montreal |
| 18:49.25 | chouimat|lunch | CosmicPenguin: :) |
| 18:53.11 | CosmicPenguin | Arasolized? |
| 18:53.15 | CosmicPenguin | What kind of word is that? |
| 18:56.45 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: it isn't a word...your spelling sucks |
| 18:56.47 | sjhill | http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=aerosolized&r=3 |
| 18:56.49 | sjhill | :P |
| 18:56.50 | andersee | kergoth: morning |
| 18:56.53 | andersee | prp_lunch: morning |
| 18:56.58 | sjhill | hi andersee |
| 18:57.05 | andersee | sjhill: morning as well |
| 18:57.09 | sjhill | heh |
| 18:59.22 | CosmicPenguin | Its really a word? |
| 18:59.25 | CosmicPenguin | Damn |
| 18:59.37 | CosmicPenguin | I thought it was something the guy on CNN made up on the fly |
| 19:42.14 | sorphin | kergoth: re |
| 19:42.40 | kergoth | hey |
| 19:44.34 | sorphin | kergoth: so what's the next release gonna be, rc4 ? |
| 19:44.56 | kergoth | probably 3.2. |
| 19:45.00 | kergoth | I doubt i'll do another rc |
| 19:45.08 | kergoth | i have zero reports of problems with the current images |
| 19:45.11 | sorphin | ah, decided on 3.2 eh |
| 19:45.28 | prpplague | kergoth: you make any progress on the net+arm board? |
| 19:46.04 | kergoth | naw, havent had time |
| 19:46.50 | prpplague | kergoth: me either |
| 20:04.27 | prpplague | ibot: webpal |
| 20:04.32 | | rumour has it, webpal is a set top box appliance that can run Linux. see http://webpal.bigbrd.com/, or http://www.softwareandstuff.com/h_misc_webpal.html, or only $13 + shipping!, or schematics are available from: http://www.geocities.com/webpalstuff/ |
| 21:56.43 | sorphin | heh |
| 21:56.57 | sorphin | funny how people try and capitalize on any world event they can |
| 21:57.00 | sorphin | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3509324732&category=1127 |
| 22:03.17 | andersee | sorphin: heh |
| 22:03.34 | sorphin | well well, if it isnt mr busybox ;) |
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| 22:05.35 | sorphin | GPSFan: allo ken |
| 22:06.49 | kergoth | its starting to stabilize |
| 22:06.52 | kergoth | we're up to 0.9.3 now |
| 22:07.15 | sorphin | heh |
| 22:07.31 | kergoth | http://www.googlism.com/index.htm?ism=kergoth&type=2 |
| 22:07.32 | kergoth | hmm |
| 22:08.30 | chouimat | kergoth is a criminal |
| 22:09.41 | sorphin | chouimat: we already knew that ;) |
| 22:09.55 | chouimat | sorphin: :) |
| 22:10.31 | sorphin | heh |
| 22:10.32 | sorphin | odd |
| 22:10.37 | sorphin | according to googleism |
| 22:10.38 | sorphin | sorphin is talking to him/herself a lot |
| 22:10.51 | sorphin | considering sorphin is made up by me |
| 22:10.54 | sorphin | that's interesting :P |
| 22:11.24 | kergoth | kergoth was made up by me as well, so i want to know who called me a criminal |
| 22:11.25 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:11.32 | sorphin | kergoth: we all did |
| 22:11.41 | sorphin | you... criminal man |
| 22:11.50 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:11.55 | kergoth | am i penny-stealing too? |
| 22:12.00 | sorphin | yup |
| 22:12.20 | sorphin | wondered if you'd catch the OS reference |
| 22:14.16 | chouimat | even googleism think I'm nothing ... I think my depression is going up a little |
| 22:14.37 | sorphin | heh |
| 22:14.39 | chouimat | up==deeper |
| 22:14.42 | sorphin | here's a quote of the moment for you all :P |
| 22:14.44 | sorphin | "You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, |
| 22:14.44 | sorphin | the best golfer is a black guy, |
| 22:14.44 | sorphin | France is accusing the US of arrogance, |
| 22:14.44 | sorphin | and Germany doesn't want to go to war." |
| 22:14.56 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:15.13 | CosmicPenguin | I'm away |
| 22:15.16 | CosmicPenguin | :) |
| 22:15.37 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: away pixiling? |
| 22:15.53 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: just away, according to googism |
| 22:15.59 | sorphin | ah |
| 22:17.59 | sorphin | because you are definately pixiled |
| 22:18.23 | sorphin | wow |
| 22:18.30 | sorphin | lotta googlisms for pixil |
| 22:18.47 | sorphin | pico flood: |
| 22:18.48 | sorphin | Googlism for: pixil |
| 22:18.48 | sorphin | pixil is currently available directly from century embedded technologies |
| 22:18.48 | sorphin | pixil is available now |
| 22:18.48 | sorphin | pixil is not specific to any linux distribution or hardware platform |
| 22:18.48 | sorphin | pixil is a suite of commercial |
| 22:18.50 | sorphin | pixil is currently being demonstrated this week at the linuxworld expo in san francisco |
| 22:18.52 | sorphin | pixil is the leader in the affordable and professional web design market offering a wide selection of services all in one company |
| 22:18.55 | sorphin | pixil is available now for mips |
| 22:18.57 | sorphin | pixil is the most minimal of elements that could represent people |
| 22:18.59 | sorphin | pixil is a complete |
| 22:19.01 | sorphin | pixil is an open source embedded linux solution for smart handheld devices like pdas and cell phones |
| 22:19.03 | sorphin | pixil is the leader in |
| 22:19.05 | sorphin | pixil is and how to manipulate to |
| 22:19.07 | sorphin | pixil is either on or off |
| 22:19.09 | sorphin | they missed one |
| 22:19.13 | sorphin | pixil is a good thing *grin* |
| 22:19.44 | kergoth | pixil is the most minimal of elements that could represent people? |
| 22:19.45 | kergoth | hah |
| 22:20.23 | CosmicPenguin | heh - pixil is available now for mips *cough* bullshit* |
| 22:20.32 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: umm |
| 22:20.38 | kergoth | openzaurus is een resultaat daarvan |
| 22:20.40 | kergoth | wtf does that mean? |
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| 22:20.48 | sorphin | that's the same with pixil is avail now :P |
| 22:21.04 | CosmicPenguin | it mezen the coden is workin gooden |
| 22:21.04 | sorphin | kergoth: sound sweeedish cheerf |
| 22:22.02 | sorphin | hmm |
| 22:22.17 | sorphin | interesting |
| 22:22.20 | sorphin | but boring |
| 22:22.21 | sorphin | prpplague is just researching picogui right |
| 22:22.21 | sorphin | prpplague is now known as prpplague_lunch |
| 22:22.21 | sorphin | prpplague is away |
| 22:22.21 | sorphin | prpplague is now known as prp |
| 22:22.22 | sorphin | prpplague is in east texas |
| 22:22.30 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:22.37 | sorphin | speaking of TX |
| 22:22.42 | scanline | bork bork bork |
| 22:22.43 | prpplague | sorphin: ? |
| 22:22.50 | sorphin | 21-25 prolly |
| 22:23.10 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: are you around? |
| 22:23.18 | sorphin | prpplague: there goes meeting you :-P |
| 22:24.10 | prpplague | sorphin: thats ok, i'll spend some money at the nudie bar for ya |
| 22:24.53 | sorphin | prpplague: don't you mean you'll put my name on the list? :P |
| 22:30.02 | jacques | so eminem is considered the best rapper now? |
| 22:35.23 | signal11 | it's all subjective |
| 22:35.37 | signal11 | i still prefer the human beat box |
| 22:36.55 | jacques | i guess TI is keeping tim really busy |
| 22:39.33 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: wassup? |
| 22:39.41 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: you fade in and out more than Iraqi TV |
| 22:39.49 | signal11 | very little. playing with secure ft |
| 22:39.53 | CosmicPenguin | fun |
| 22:39.58 | CosmicPenguin | Did 4.31 go out? |
| 22:40.08 | signal11 | yeah, friday it went to the duplicator |
| 22:40.33 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: Not too shabby - an entire version with only two developers |
| 22:40.34 | CosmicPenguin | woot |
| 22:40.48 | signal11 | heh and not a ton of new features therefore |
| 22:56.16 | sjhill | 4.31 of what? |
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| 23:06.04 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: TinyTerm |
| 23:09.57 | sjhill | ah |
| 23:24.40 | scanline | Isn't terminal emulation fun? :) |
| 23:25.33 | sjhill | ~ibot fishslap scanline |
| 23:25.34 | | ACTION slaps scanline up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 23:25.50 | scanline | ow! |
| 23:26.03 | scanline | CosmicPenguin: which terminals can tinyterm emulate? |
| 23:26.13 | sjhill | prpplague: so your going to the gulf? |
| 23:27.14 | prpplague | sjhill: ? |
| 23:28.26 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: I don't remember... :) |
| 23:28.31 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: got anything in mind? |
| 23:28.42 | scanline | just curious how much torture it was to write ;) |
| 23:29.01 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: it was written eons ago |
| 23:29.18 | scanline | ah.. you guys just stamp new version numbers on it every once and a while? |
| 23:29.31 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: but it can handle about a dozen terminals or so |
| 23:29.37 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: the Windoze version can probably do more |
| 23:29.58 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: well, its not "you guys" any more - I'm my own man now... :) |
| 23:30.07 | CosmicPenguin | But yeah - the project is ongoing |
| 23:30.26 | scanline | hmm.. what does Greg do these days, if not work on terminals? |
| 23:31.53 | prpplague | scanline: he pimps CosmicPenguin out |
| 23:32.00 | scanline | ah |
| 23:32.24 | prpplague | speaking of pimp |
| 23:32.29 | sjhill | prpplague: i scanned back, i thought you were going on an aircraft carrier or something |
| 23:32.55 | prpplague | sjhill: naw, headed to nassau for a server upgrade, then to st.kitts |
| 23:33.05 | sjhill | oh oh |
| 23:33.05 | prpplague | sjhill: be gone for 14-18 days |
| 23:33.16 | sjhill | kitts, kitty hawk....nevermind |
| 23:33.16 | prpplague | sjhill: then to seattle, and then to honduras |
| 23:33.20 | sjhill | *nod* |
| 23:33.25 | prpplague | fun fun fun |
| 23:33.36 | sjhill | well....that means it's time to go home and sleep since i can't read worth crap |
| 23:33.42 | prpplague | lol |
| 23:34.03 | prpplague | sjhill: its all that yank food and attitude killing your brains cells |
| 23:34.25 | sjhill | i have pizza everyday...that's probably it |
| 23:34.58 | prpplague | hasta lluega guys |
| 23:36.23 | CosmicPenguin | lol |
| 23:36.28 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill is a laugh and a half |
| 23:38.41 | signal11 | scanline: it does scoansi best, plus the usual vt's etc. we're trying to improve our IBM support next |
| 23:39.34 | signal11 | lots of torture over the years |
| 23:39.42 | scanline | signal11: sounds like it |
| 23:39.44 | signal11 | some of the code is from the 80's |
| 23:40.20 | scanline | I've been torturing myself with terminal emulation the last few days... I'm convinced that any piece of code at all related to terminal emulation must be a complete organizational disaster |
| 23:41.24 | signal11 | indeed |
| 23:41.34 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: that should be a mandatory message in the header of all terminal related code |
| 23:41.39 | CosmicPenguin | ZModem too |
| 23:41.52 | scanline | well, I'm determined to eventually turn this little vt102 emulator I wrote into a library |
| 23:42.25 | scanline | provide callbacks for rendering text, scrolling, etc. then just pump characters into it |
| 23:42.33 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: sounds like fun |
| 23:42.41 | scanline | I've seen a couple projects that tried to do that, but they mostly suck |
| 23:42.59 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: tommorrow, I'm going to hack a bit more on the nxterm |
| 23:43.18 | scanline | I haven't looked at nxterm recently, but last time I did, it didn't even handle color :) |
| 23:43.31 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: thats the first thing you ever said to me |
| 23:43.38 | scanline | haha |
| 23:43.51 | CosmicPenguin | I'm happy to report that we now handle color |
| 23:44.14 | scanline | can it run emacs yet? |
| 23:44.20 | CosmicPenguin | lets see |
| 23:44.35 | signal11 | nxterm is not a good name |
| 23:44.42 | signal11 | since there is already an nxterm |
| 23:44.49 | CosmicPenguin | pixilterm |
| 23:44.57 | signal11 | vt100 was a bad name too |
| 23:45.10 | scanline | how many letters left? |
| 23:46.40 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: nope.. :) |
| 23:47.01 | sorphin | heh |
| 23:47.02 | scanline | emacs used a lot of escapes nothing else I tried did.. insertion mode, reverse video.. |
| 23:47.11 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: its actually mostly a VT52 terminal |
| 23:47.15 | scanline | oh |
| 23:47.26 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: with hacks for VT102 extensions - I need to add the other stuff, I just haven't gotten around it o |
| 23:47.46 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: I added color support, and arrow key supports |
| 23:47.50 | scanline | maybe I should just go ahead and make that library, and you can use it too :) |
| 23:48.07 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: just wait until we open source it |
| 23:48.13 | scanline | oh, right |
| 23:48.19 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: and then thats something I would definately be interested in |
| 23:48.22 | scanline | forgot about PIXIL's non-opensourcedyness |
| 23:48.31 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: hopefully not for long |
| 23:48.46 | scanline | last night I added xterm-compatible mouse reporting and title setting |
| 23:48.52 | scanline | runs links pretty nicely now |
| 23:49.16 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: cool |
| 23:49.36 | scanline | those line drawing characters were a bit annoying to implement.. |
| 23:49.47 | scanline | http://old.picogui.org/download/pterm-menuconfig.png |
| 23:50.02 | scanline | antialiasey goodness :) |
