| 00:05.48 | sorphin | heh |
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| 01:05.55 | MonMotha | hum, I need to find myself a 72pin SIMM socket |
| 01:05.59 | MonMotha | the local parts shop only has 32 pins |
| 01:06.01 | MonMotha | er 30 |
| 01:07.20 | file | MonMotha: that's strange |
| 01:07.32 | sorphin | MonMotha: yeah, i know, no spares here either |
| 01:07.32 | file | I have never seen 30 pin SIMMs... |
| 01:08.05 | MonMotha | file: what!? |
| 01:08.27 | ade|indy | you have got to be joking |
| 01:08.29 | sorphin | MonMotha: do i even wanna know wtf he's on about now? |
| 01:09.01 | file | MonMotha: I seriously thought they were a joke when my friend told me about them one time |
| 01:09.15 | ade|indy | lol oh dear |
| 01:09.15 | MonMotha | file: no, 30 pin simms most certainly exsit |
| 01:09.35 | sorphin | and always will |
| 01:09.40 | ade|indy | sorphin: you are missing a treat ! |
| 01:09.54 | sorphin | ade|indy: if it involves file |
| 01:10.05 | sorphin | ade|indy: all it is is a waste of my screen |
| 01:10.10 | sorphin | always is |
| 01:10.16 | ade|indy | harsh |
| 01:10.39 | sorphin | ade|indy: well, i've never seen him say anything that even remotely seemed useful to me |
| 01:10.41 | sorphin | so.. |
| 01:11.00 | file | nobody says anything truly useful to you, so your statement would therefore indicate you should ignore everyone |
| 01:11.35 | file | MonMotha: what are they used in? |
| 01:11.58 | MonMotha | file: older 486s, most 386s, 286s, XTs with no onboard RAM |
| 01:12.03 | MonMotha | various embedded devices |
| 01:12.07 | file | interesting |
| 01:13.22 | file | MonMotha: how's your Webpals? |
| 01:13.27 | ade|indy | what are the ucsimms , 30pin jobs ? |
| 01:24.57 | MonMotha | file: actually, why do you think I was looking for a SIMM slot? |
| 01:25.06 | MonMotha | I picked up the rest of what I need to build the programmer |
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| 01:37.17 | prpplague | ho ho frellin ho |
| 01:37.24 | prpplague | andersee: hey you around? |
| 01:39.24 | prpplague | farscape is way toooooo funny |
| 01:42.34 | file | prpplague: it's not on for another hour here |
| 01:42.38 | file | er |
| 01:42.39 | file | half hour |
| 01:42.39 | sorphin | prpplague: your boy file's been at it again apparently |
| 01:42.47 | prpplague | eh? |
| 01:42.58 | prpplague | file: its on now here |
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| 01:43.32 | sorphin | prpplague: talking about 30 pin simms not existing or something, i have him /ignored, so i only saw what ade and monmotha said |
| 01:43.42 | prpplague | file: scaren-"where did you get the codes?" cryton-"we don't need no stinkin codes!" |
| 01:44.07 | prpplague | file: what this about 30pin sims? |
| 01:46.19 | prpplague | had, i got a return email from SCO, "sorry the mail you can not be sent, the email address you are sending to has excedded the 5000 message limit" |
| 01:46.28 | sorphin | hahaha |
| 01:46.37 | file | prpplague: a friend told me a few years ago about 30 pin SIMMs but I did not know if he was telling the truth or not |
| 01:46.37 | sorphin | guess they got a lot of hate mail today |
| 01:47.19 | prpplague | file: ha |
| 01:47.36 | prpplague | file: there were even SIPPS |
| 01:48.00 | prpplague | file: i even sold RARDS |
| 01:48.13 | prpplague | file: Ram cARDS |
| 01:48.48 | sorphin | prpplague: i rememebr sipps |
| 01:52.59 | prpplague | andersee: if drop by, i hope earlier i didn't sound like i was arguing with you about dr-dos |
| 01:53.20 | prpplague | andersee: this SCO crap had really pissed me off |
| 01:54.22 | prpplague | roftl, cryton just made a simpson reference |
| 01:55.54 | prpplague | sorphin: get this |
| 01:56.11 | prpplague | sorphin: i just hired a woman to help around the house and with my rugrat |
| 01:56.17 | cham | has anyone had any experience writing anything for Xircom REX PDA's? |
| 01:56.35 | prpplague | cham: check the arch list on the arm-linux site |
| 01:56.47 | prpplague | cham: it has a url for some work done on it |
| 01:58.48 | sorphin | prpplague: heh |
| 01:59.20 | cham | prpplague: cool ok |
| 01:59.38 | prpplague | sorphin: nice lookin chick |
| 02:00.01 | file | prpplague: those frelling idiots at SCO... |
| 02:00.41 | sorphin | prpplague: heh |
| 02:01.15 | cham | prpplague: is the site www.arm.linux.org? |
| 02:01.38 | prpplague | uk site |
| 02:01.47 | prpplague | ibot: arm linux |
| 02:01.48 | | i don't know, prpplague |
| 02:01.53 | prpplague | ibot: idiot |
| 02:01.53 | | idiot is probably you |
| 02:02.04 | jacques | did someone say nice looking chick? |
| 02:02.43 | prpplague | ibot: arm linux is http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/ |
| 02:02.44 | | okay, prpplague |
| 02:03.16 | prpplague | jacques: ya new "au pair" "nanny" |
| 02:03.20 | prpplague | jacques: new something |
| 02:03.43 | jacques | hmm |
| 02:04.14 | prpplague | jacques: ya 38D and she apparently likes to dress sexy |
| 02:04.26 | prpplague | jacques: nothing like seeing her clean house in spandex |
| 02:04.52 | prpplague | cham: you get that url? |
| 02:04.56 | file | prpplague: does Scorpius ever die? |
| 02:05.32 | prpplague | file: no spoilers from me |
| 02:06.02 | file | prpplague: bah! |
| 02:06.18 | cham | yeah I got the site, but I can not find anything about the rex :( |
| 02:07.30 | sorphin | prpplague: you must takes pics :P |
| 02:07.55 | prpplague | cham: http://www.tice.i12.com/index.html |
| 02:08.27 | prpplague | cham: sorry i was thinking of another xircom product |
| 02:08.35 | kergoth`bbl | prpplague: er, nice looking chick in spandex cleaning your house? nice. |
| 02:09.13 | sorphin | kergoth`bbl: he's paying her tho |
| 02:09.19 | prpplague | kergoth`bbl: ya, she's very interesting |
| 02:09.30 | prpplague | sorphin: thats the best kind of women |
| 02:09.36 | cham | cool thanks |
| 02:09.46 | sorphin | prpplague: take pics, and how bout more of a desc of her? :P |
| 02:09.53 | kergoth`bbl | sorphin: even so |
| 02:11.16 | prpplague | sorphin: won't be back till monday |
| 02:11.19 | jacques | prpplague: wow :-P |
| 02:11.22 | prpplague | sorphin: i'll see what i can do |
| 02:11.47 | sorphin | prpplague: hehe, running off for the weekend w/ her? |
| 02:12.00 | sorphin | going to see sarah |
| 02:12.33 | prpplague | sorphin: sarah? |
| 02:12.43 | sorphin | my gf |
| 02:12.45 | prpplague | sorphin: do we have a worldcom groupie? |
| 02:12.53 | sorphin | prpplague: um.. no |
| 02:13.15 | prpplague | sorphin: "ohh baby talk frame-relay to me......." |
| 02:13.35 | prpplague | sorphin: "would you like to respond to my LMI" |
| 02:13.52 | sorphin | ~lart prpplague for being a dim wit |
| 02:14.31 | prpplague | this single parent shit is driving me nuts |
| 02:14.46 | sorphin | prpplague: well cry me a river :P |
| 02:15.00 | prpplague | sorphin: no just beer |
| 02:15.31 | prpplague | sorphin: you better hope that you never have to deal with this kinda shit |
| 02:15.33 | kergoth`bbl | sorphin: now thats just _mean_ |
| 02:16.14 | sorphin | prpplague: oh, i won't |
| 02:16.51 | prpplague | sorphin: ya well that doesn;t you won;t get stuck with a wife in the hospital |
| 02:17.21 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:18.41 | prpplague | kergoth`bbl: are you lucking |
| 02:18.48 | prpplague | lurking even |
| 02:19.05 | kergoth | nah, just lazy |
| 02:19.33 | prpplague | kergoth: i hear mallum is making progress with new tiny-x builds |
| 02:19.42 | prpplague | kergoth: as well as gpe builds |
| 02:20.03 | kergoth | yeah, so it seems :) |
| 02:20.10 | jacques | bah |
| 02:20.13 | jacques | he's lucky |
| 02:20.24 | jacques | he doesn't have to deal with tslib crapola |
| 02:20.32 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:20.33 | jacques | i just xcompiled 4.3.0 for arm last night |
| 02:20.37 | kergoth | mallum built our tinyx to use tslib |
| 02:20.39 | kergoth | and its working fine. |
| 02:20.42 | kergoth | we are using tslib |
| 02:20.42 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:20.52 | jacques | ok fine but there is a hack in just for the ipaq |
| 02:21.01 | kergoth | er, why? |
| 02:21.03 | prpplague | jacques: ya well, i'm just lucky no one has flamed my email address for the butcher job i did on tiny-x oz build |
| 02:21.09 | kergoth | recent tslib cvs ipaq support is in the core ts_read_raw.c |
| 02:21.14 | kergoth | nothing seperate |
| 02:21.24 | jacques | i can kinda get it working for tuxscreen but it's just not right |
| 02:21.42 | kergoth | That reminds me, I need to push up some more patches to douglas |
| 02:21.56 | kergoth | havent sent my fixes for the 3rd argument of ts_read(_raw) |
| 02:22.06 | kergoth | right now its horribly broken if you request anythign other than a single ts event |
| 02:22.32 | jacques | kergoth: do you have a tux - sounds like you would be invaluable in fixing the problems I am having |
| 02:22.41 | kergoth | fraid not, I didnt get in on it before they sold out |
| 02:22.56 | kergoth | what is the tux's ts controller? ucb1x00? |
| 02:23.04 | jacques | correct |
| 02:23.12 | kergoth | hm, I've used the ucb1x00 support in tslib |
| 02:23.21 | kergoth | the Z uses a chip very similar, uses the same driver in fact |
| 02:23.25 | jacques | or am I getting confused with ipaq |
| 02:23.29 | jacques | dang |
| 02:23.42 | kergoth | whats the behavior you're seeing? |
| 02:23.46 | kergoth | does ts_calibrate work? |
| 02:24.05 | jacques | it's as if callbacks into the tslib library are not happening in the correct order |
| 02:24.05 | kergoth | Z has a tc35143af.. toshiba analog frontend |
| 02:24.23 | kergoth | drop a printf or two into each module's read function |
| 02:24.28 | kergoth | whats your tslib.conf look like? |
| 02:24.28 | jacques | I dod |
| 02:24.35 | jacques | I did and got really confused |
| 02:24.38 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:24.40 | kergoth | yeah, that happens |
| 02:24.55 | jacques | I got best results by removing I think 2 of the modules from the chain |
| 02:25.09 | jacques | dejitter was doing aweful things |
| 02:25.38 | jacques | I last got deep into it in november and after working o nit for 2 weeks got discouraged - I just started again last night with cvs tslib and 4.3.0 |
| 02:25.55 | kergoth | i havent run into problems with dejitter. variance can be strange though |
| 02:26.00 | jacques | kergoth: now I know who to ask when I hit problems :-) |
| 02:26.05 | kergoth | to be safe, just have 'module linear' in ts.conf |
| 02:26.30 | jacques | i remember I hacked things up pretty good in nov |
| 02:26.51 | jacques | had to add my own printfs in modules because they didnt have enough debugs |
| 02:27.02 | jacques | ended up removing 2 modules and modifying the remaining one |
| 02:27.20 | prpplague | lordy lordy lordy |
| 02:27.24 | jacques | anyway - I am going to try again and will ask you when I have hard info |
| 02:27.37 | jacques | I am going to work on it this weekend |
| 02:27.52 | jacques | before nobody would even discuss tslib with me :-) |
| 02:28.04 | kergoth | jacques: hehe, okay let me know |
| 02:28.07 | prpplague | jacques: ya well ts is scary period |
| 02:28.17 | kergoth | not once you understand it |
| 02:28.25 | prpplague | jacques: scanline is a good source of info |
| 02:28.39 | kergoth | yeah, scanline has a couple alternate filtering algorithms to consider for dejitter |
| 02:28.41 | prpplague | kergoth: agreed, but finding someone to share the "black magic" is hard |
| 02:28.49 | kergoth | yeah, agreed |
| 02:28.56 | jacques | cool kergoth and scanline - BE AFRAID |
| 02:28.56 | kergoth | I had to write a new tslib module for collie |
| 02:29.09 | kergoth | to yank some weird alterations from kernel space into user space |
| 02:29.16 | jacques | and corgi? lol |
| 02:29.25 | kergoth | it mmap()s /dev/mem to yank some magic numbers manufacturing writes to the flash before shipment |
| 02:29.31 | kergoth | ugly ugly |
| 02:29.42 | kergoth | corgi is the c700 :) |
| 02:30.06 | jacques | the british royal family loves corgis |
| 02:30.17 | kergoth | hehe. i dunno where sharp gets their machine names |
| 02:30.22 | kergoth | i mean, collie, poodle, and corgi? ;) |
| 02:30.32 | jacques | what's poodle? |
| 02:30.39 | kergoth | SL-5600 |
| 02:30.43 | kergoth | aka SL-B500 (japanese model) |
| 02:30.51 | jacques | ah |
| 02:31.03 | kergoth | uses the same TS interface as collie, so didnt need explicit support |
| 02:32.12 | jacques | wow I am strangely excited now |
| 02:32.28 | kergoth | I'm sure we can get it going. tslib is really quite cool when it works :) |
| 02:32.31 | jacques | I have been trying to get this working for so long and now I think it's possible with help |
| 02:32.52 | jacques | cant wait to get home tonight and start hackin gon it |
| 02:33.14 | kergoth | I actually need to rewrite the tslib patch for qt/embedded one of these days, its a pretty high priority todo item |
| 02:33.31 | sorphin | kergoth: i'm still waiting for OZ 3.1 :P |
| 02:33.50 | kergoth | sorphin: rc3 releases as soon as docwhat pushes his changeset to finalize our samba packages |
| 02:33.57 | kergoth | sorphin: everything else is set for that release |
| 02:34.02 | kergoth | final is a lil ways off yet |
| 02:34.11 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:34.13 | kergoth | http://openembedded.org/phpwiki/index.php/TODO |
| 02:34.20 | kergoth | I split it up by release |
| 02:34.21 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:38.59 | MonMotha | prpplague: I have never used, but have seen SIPPS..very fun things :) |
| 02:39.46 | prpplague | MonMotha: ya i made a killin on TI 386 look alike boards with sipps |
| 02:40.01 | MonMotha | heh |
| 02:40.32 | MonMotha | the place that I buy most of my parts from (now that radio shack isn't restocking their digital stuff) has a few of them in the display case :) |
| 02:40.44 | MonMotha | I believe he said they were 512k, $25 each |
| 02:40.52 | prpplague | MonMotha: i used to buy these SIPP and DIMM boards that you could solder old DIPP chips on |
| 02:41.00 | MonMotha | interesting |
| 02:41.13 | MonMotha | I just need to find a 72 pin SIMM socket so I can finish my webpal flash programmer |
| 02:41.22 | prpplague | MonMotha: good luck |
| 02:41.31 | file | MonMotha: how about an old mobo? |
| 02:41.42 | file | :) |
| 02:41.49 | prpplague | file: the pins are too close to de-solder without expensive equipment |
| 02:42.01 | file | prpplague: damn |
| 02:42.23 | prpplague | MonMotha: guess you've already tried digikey |
| 02:43.00 | MonMotha | prpplague: nope, that's my next step |
| 02:43.24 | MonMotha | prpplague: the guy reccomended using a propane torch to try and heat all the joints at once, then slap the board on the table to get the socket out |
| 02:43.27 | MonMotha | I'd be afraid of melting the socket |
| 02:43.35 | MonMotha | certainly can't be done with my little 30W iron |
| 02:43.50 | prpplague | MonMotha: eww |
| 02:43.52 | sorphin | prpplague: i remember boards too w/ socketed cache :P |
| 02:44.17 | prpplague | MonMotha: the 15w blue radio shack iron can do it, you just have to take your time |
| 02:44.19 | jacques | yeh me too |
| 02:45.23 | MonMotha | the problem is that there's almost no solder on the joint...not enough to wick it off |
| 02:45.33 | MonMotha | yes, I have various boards with "cache on a stick" |
| 02:48.27 | prpplague | MonMotha: ya i've purchase very thin solder that i can pre-tin the joint's |
| 02:50.03 | prpplague | kergoth: btw, what are doing ate home on this fine friday? |
| 02:50.05 | MonMotha | I have some pretty thin stuff...but I don't think it's worth it to do 72 pins |
| 02:50.15 | MonMotha | I'll just get a couple off digi-key |
| 02:50.49 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:51.37 | kergoth | prpplague: drinking, thats what |
| 02:51.45 | kergoth | prpplague: heh. friends are busy |
| 02:53.36 | prpplague | kergoth: lol, ohh well carry on then |
| 02:58.44 | kergoth | prpplague: :) |
| 02:58.49 | kergoth | ibot: guinness prpplague |
| 02:58.54 | | ACTION pours a creamy pint of dark bitter guinness stout and hands it to prpplague |
| 02:59.14 | prpplague | kergoth: thanks but i'm drinking arrogant bastard and fat tire |
| 02:59.55 | kergoth | :P |
| 03:01.06 | prpplague | kergoth: http://www.ratebeer.com/ShowBeer.asp?BeerID=1315&FanOfID=1210 |
| 03:01.44 | prpplague | kergoth: http://www.ratebeer.com/ShowBeer.asp?BeerID=424&FanOfID=1210 |
| 03:02.02 | kergoth | ahh |
| 03:02.23 | prpplague | kergoth: and its kicking my ass |
| 03:02.39 | prpplague | kergoth: letting off a little steam after a long long long week |
| 03:02.47 | kergoth | yeah, know how that is.. same shit here |
| 03:05.42 | prpplague | kergoth: my has got it in his head that dad can build a robot bug like the one on spykids2 |
| 03:05.53 | prpplague | kergoth: don't know how i'm gonna live up to that one |
| 03:05.54 | kergoth | lol |
| 03:06.42 | prpplague | kergoth: at least he has some idea of what going on, he ask me which kernel i was gonna put on it :) |
| 03:06.49 | kergoth | hah |
| 03:08.03 | prpplague | kergoth: you ever get your ISO stuff squared away? |
| 03:08.21 | kergoth | my boss had us deviate. its _his_ ass when the next audit comes down |
| 03:08.36 | prpplague | kergoth: ouch |
| 03:08.49 | kergoth | i dont give a shit, as long as its not me |
| 03:08.53 | kergoth | i logged all the email threads |
| 03:09.00 | kergoth | so the ISO folks will be interested i'm sure |
| 03:09.01 | kergoth | win 12 |
| 03:09.04 | kergoth | damn / |
| 03:09.11 | prpplague | agreed, ive dveloped a bad attitude as well |
| 03:09.24 | kergoth | bit hard not to |
| 03:13.31 | prpplague | sorphin: i still have't received my ebay auction photo? |
| 03:13.41 | prpplague | sorphin: s/?/! |
| 03:17.09 | sorphin | prpplague: ? |
| 03:17.40 | prpplague | sorphin: logans run photo |
| 03:18.01 | sorphin | ah |
| 03:18.20 | sorphin | tried calling the guy yet? |
| 03:18.48 | prpplague | sorphin: not yet, he said he sent it, i figured i'd wait till mid week |
| 03:19.13 | prpplague | argh, this beer is kicking my ass |
| 03:19.45 | kergoth | prpplague: isnt that the point? |
| 03:19.48 | sorphin | heh |
| 03:20.25 | prpplague | kergoth: lol, ya well i try not to get drunk, i guess i'm weird, i love the taste of beer |
| 03:20.42 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:20.53 | prpplague | kergoth: but ya, the least you can do is drunk with a sexy woman.... |
| 03:20.56 | kergoth | nah not weird, i drink cause I enjoy how it tastes, which is why I _dont_ drink beer |
| 03:20.59 | kergoth | :P |
| 03:21.50 | prpplague | kergoth: my miserable friday consits of beer and washing large amounts of cloths :( |
| 03:22.01 | kergoth | one of my best friends is now going into photography |
| 03:22.17 | kergoth | and has taken to photographing beautiful women in florida |
| 03:22.19 | prpplague | pr0n photograhy? |
| 03:22.21 | kergoth | what a fucking career |
| 03:22.23 | kergoth | naw |
| 03:22.38 | kergoth | he wants to take photos for Maxim or something |
| 03:22.44 | prpplague | ahh |
| 03:22.56 | kergoth | he's really good too. sent me some pics of this beautiful woman he took pictures of |
| 03:23.00 | kergoth | and slept with |
| 03:23.01 | kergoth | motherfucker |
| 03:23.24 | prpplague | i want to be a travel consultant and scope out hotels and fun spots in the carib |
| 03:23.36 | prpplague | kergoth: you curse him or what? |
| 03:23.46 | kergoth | yeah, bastard |
| 03:23.54 | kergoth | and here i sit in tech support |
| 03:23.55 | kergoth | !! |
| 03:24.22 | prpplague | kergoth: yes ma'am you need to turn on the power before it will work |
| 03:25.33 | sorphin | heh |
| 03:25.57 | kergoth | why, oh why, didnt i go into another career path |
| 03:26.52 | prpplague | kergoth: "would you like fries with that?" |
| 03:27.13 | kergoth | ehhe |
| 03:27.39 | sorphin | now he just says |
| 03:27.44 | sorphin | "would you like cables with that?" |
| 03:28.39 | prpplague | sorphin: or when the SCO is involved - "would you like a kernel panic with you digi driver?" |
| 03:28.53 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:29.04 | kergoth | "Why yes ma'am, the kernel panic is only 99 cents on our special value menu!" |
| 03:29.13 | prpplague | rotfl |
| 03:29.40 | sorphin | "vasoline included w/ every purchase" |
| 03:29.42 | prpplague | and if you buy now we will throw in the "double kernel panic" for free!!! |
| 03:31.01 | prpplague | guys, i don't about you, but i sure need to sponsor more opensource projects...... |
| 03:32.03 | sorphin | heh |
| 03:32.41 | prpplague | sorphin: no laughing matter, my employeers are making a shit load of money on opensource, seems only fair that we give back |
| 03:33.22 | kergoth | oh i agree |
| 03:33.25 | kergoth | but what struck me as odd |
| 03:33.30 | kergoth | was that you associate yourself with your company |
| 03:33.40 | kergoth | 'i sure need to sponsor more oepnsource projects' |
| 03:33.44 | kergoth | sorphin: nah, i use heh differently too |
| 03:33.53 | sorphin | hehe = laugh, heh = means oh.. hmm.. interesting, etc |
| 03:33.55 | kergoth | right |
| 03:33.57 | kergoth | exactly |
| 03:33.57 | kergoth | well |
| 03:34.00 | kergoth | hehe is more a chuckle |
| 03:34.01 | kergoth | but yeah |
| 03:34.09 | sorphin | kergoth: finally |
| 03:34.37 | kergoth | course i use heh in real life too. them: blah blah blah. me: heh |
| 03:34.44 | sorphin | kergoth: ditto |
| 03:34.56 | sorphin | kergoth: amazed to see someone else who understands :P |
| 03:35.13 | prpplague | kergoth: well its kinda like being a politician, the first few years you figure that you can do some good, later you slowly become just like everyone else, just another pawn in the game |
| 03:35.16 | kergoth | yeah. course a lot of people dont even understand the use of hehe |
| 03:35.19 | kergoth | much less heh |
| 03:35.32 | kergoth | prpplague: GET OUT MAN! |
| 03:35.34 | kergoth | heheh |
| 03:35.40 | prpplague | i use lol way tooo much |
| 03:35.40 | kergoth | prpplague: its not too late! |
| 03:35.46 | sorphin | prpplague the POS politician |
| 03:35.55 | kergoth | corrupted by point of sale |
| 03:35.59 | prpplague | ha |
| 03:35.59 | kergoth | thats .. odd |
| 03:36.04 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:36.09 | sorphin | indeed |
| 03:36.28 | prpplague | well, when i make this kinda of money atleast i can spend it on other OS projects |
| 03:37.09 | sorphin | non P.OS projects |
| 03:37.15 | prpplague | kergoth: i would leave if they tried anything like SCO |
| 03:37.31 | sorphin | prpplague: umm |
| 03:37.42 | sorphin | prpplague: they're already going to be something almost as stupid :P |
| 03:38.43 | prpplague | i'd argue, is taking money from morons any different than morons who frequent nudie bars? we give them what they want, we take their money and do what we want |
| 03:39.38 | sorphin | prpplague: but then |
| 03:39.46 | sorphin | you've given $ at a nudie bar, so.. |
| 03:39.58 | kergoth | did dave just call himself a moron? |
| 03:40.10 | sorphin | kergoth: i think he did |
| 03:40.17 | kergoth | hmm |
| 03:41.30 | prpplague | kergoth: dave has always called himself a moron, i'm nothing more than a handyman, skilled at everything, expert at nothing |
| 03:41.56 | kergoth | heh, i'm a generalist as well |
| 03:43.19 | kergoth | you know.. i do that.. but its just one of many things.. not specializing in it |
| 03:43.19 | kergoth | :P |
| 03:43.22 | prpplague | sorphin: isn't that the job description for employement at a telco? |
| 03:43.45 | sorphin | prpplague: least this telco employee got a raise today :P |
| 03:44.04 | kergoth | fucker |
| 03:44.13 | kergoth | I havent gotten a raise in like 3 years |
| 03:44.20 | sorphin | 'i hadn't in 2 :P |
| 03:44.25 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:44.50 | sorphin | twas only 5%, but once wcom gets out of bankruptcy (very soon) my new boss is gonna do like my old one was gonna, try and bump my $ up |
| 03:44.54 | prpplague | kergoth: don't make me feel any more guilty than i am today |
| 03:44.57 | sorphin | cuz they know how underpaid i am |
| 03:46.07 | sorphin | and yet, i'm at 33k atm.. (till they can do that stuff) |
| 03:46.33 | prpplague | sorphin: 33k? |
| 03:46.39 | prpplague | sorphin: your shitting me? |
| 03:47.18 | prpplague | sorphin: why the hell are you working for worldcom? |
| 03:47.28 | sorphin | i started there at 31k doing cisco (i learned cisco there) |
| 03:47.58 | prpplague | sorphin: ccna? |
| 03:48.01 | sorphin | prpplague: let's see, i was fresh outta college again and i had bills (i had just finished my bachelors after working at AT&T previously and taking a year off) |
| 03:48.24 | sorphin | heh, AT&T i only made 22k (1995-96) and ran an ISP in my "spare" time |
| 03:48.38 | sorphin | no, i'm not a ccna, but could easily get it prolly, NP too |
| 03:48.39 | prpplague | sorphin: hmm, with your frame relay experience you could be working big time |
| 03:49.20 | sorphin | heh |
| 03:49.33 | kergoth | yeah, definately. too bad the job market blows goats he |
| 03:49.33 | kergoth | eh |
| 03:49.46 | sorphin | advanced routing |
| 03:50.08 | sorphin | tho my heart belongs to unix :P |
| 03:50.14 | prpplague | sorphin: damm, you need to work for my pimp |
| 03:50.54 | sorphin | prpplague: i'd show you my resume |
| 03:50.56 | sorphin | but you'd prolly laugh |
| 03:51.05 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:51.19 | prpplague | sorphin: fuck you'd laugh at the ppl we normally hire |
| 03:51.31 | kergoth | my resume consists of .. office depot retail sales and cashiering, office max retail business machine sanes, warehouse work, and Digi. |
| 03:51.39 | sorphin | prpplague: dude, i've laughed at the ppl wcom has hired, hell, i laugh at most CS grads :P |
| 03:51.52 | sorphin | kergoth: heh, i have jobs not on my resume |
| 03:51.52 | prpplague | kergoth: no shit |
| 03:52.04 | kergoth | oh, and no degree |
| 03:52.07 | prpplague | kergoth: thats incredible |
| 03:52.20 | sorphin | worked for dominos |
| 03:52.21 | kergoth | I'm making $39,333 at digi right now |
| 03:52.22 | prpplague | kergoth: OZ is hell of a resume listing |
| 03:52.29 | kergoth | they hired my ass right out of retail sales at $37k |
| 03:52.35 | kergoth | talk about luck |
| 03:52.39 | kergoth | if i hadnt gotten that, i'd be hosed right now |
| 03:52.47 | prpplague | kergoth: why the f hasn;t sharp hired you? |
| 03:53.03 | kergoth | cause they're incompetant? that much is pretty obvious |
| 03:53.18 | kergoth | I need to add OZ/OE/etc to my resume |
| 03:53.22 | prpplague | kergoth: they are f'n fools |
| 03:53.48 | kergoth | that they are |
| 03:53.56 | sorphin | prpplague,kergoth: it's obvious sharp is stupid |
| 03:54.03 | sorphin | look at the stepping levels they used on the 5600 :P |
| 03:54.08 | sorphin | the shite one |
| 03:54.22 | kergoth | B.. well the pxa255 wasnt shipping in numbers, they pushed it out the door |
| 03:54.26 | kergoth | didnt want to wait, i'd assume |
| 03:54.29 | kergoth | same is true for the c700 |
| 03:55.01 | sorphin | kergoth: the most annoyign thing about the Z |
| 03:55.17 | prpplague | kergoth: you know my bc back pack i developed |
| 03:55.20 | prpplague | kergoth: ? |
| 03:55.21 | sorphin | i powered mine up this past week, for the 1st time in month of just sitting on the cradle |
| 03:55.28 | sorphin | for like 10 mins |
| 03:55.29 | sorphin | put it back on |
| 03:55.30 | kergoth | prpplague: yeah, nothing ever happened with it? |
| 03:55.33 | sorphin | it charge for an HOUR |
| 03:55.42 | prpplague | kergoth: well i sent the design to sharp |
| 03:55.55 | prpplague | kergoth: they kept it for a about 4 weeks |
| 03:56.01 | prpplague | kergoth: then i get an email |
| 03:57.18 | prpplague | kergoth: apparentlt sharp has "come up with" a bar code backpack |
| 03:57.41 | prpplague | kergoth: didn't even change the schematics |
| 03:57.53 | kergoth | prpplague: eh, thats complete and utter bullshit man |
| 03:57.54 | prpplague | kergoth: not that i give a shot |
| 03:57.56 | prpplague | shit |
| 03:58.19 | prpplague | kergoth: they did a better job on the plastics |
| 03:58.57 | prpplague | kergoth: funny things is thats the 5 time it 2 years that i've been ripped off |
| 03:59.33 | kergoth | eh, that sucks. sounds like you need to be protecting your ideas. as much as i hate the abuse of such things |
| 04:00.36 | prpplague | kergoth: ya well i'm a pisces, i get a kick out of ppl needing to rip my ideas off |
| 04:00.57 | prpplague | ibot: tcsx-1 |
| 04:00.58 | | rumour has it, tcsx-1 is http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8485254374.html |
| 04:01.01 | sorphin | prpplague: and here i just thought you were insane :P |
| 04:01.05 | prpplague | kergoth: seen that? |
| 04:01.09 | prpplague | check this out |
| 04:02.05 | prpplague | http://www.icoptech.com/products_detail.asp?ProductID=66 |
| 04:02.17 | prpplague | one of the best selling thin clients in tawain |
| 04:02.29 | prpplague | looks kinda familiar eh? |
| 04:03.36 | kergoth | prpplague: fucked up man |
| 04:03.57 | prpplague | kergoth: it gets better |
| 04:04.12 | prpplague | kergoth: remember our little visit by digi |
| 04:04.29 | kergoth | right.. |
| 04:04.33 | prpplague | kergoth: i had designed a print server based |
| 04:04.50 | prpplague | kergoth: had a prototype made |
| 04:05.14 | prpplague | http://www.icoptech.com/products_detail.asp?ProductID=78 |
| 04:05.16 | sorphin | and digi stole it? |
| 04:06.14 | prpplague | i have more pirated copies sold in tawain than m$ |
| 04:07.15 | sorphin | heh |
| 04:12.20 | prpplague | jacques_gone: later dude |
| 04:12.46 | kergoth | jacques_gone: later. drop me a line when you want to hack at tslib |
| 04:13.11 | prpplague | kergoth: isn't it funny how we all know exactly what every one specilizes in |
| 04:13.23 | prpplague | kergoth: whats jacques_gone a guru of? |
| 04:13.46 | jacques_gone | kergoth: definitely will do |
| 04:13.58 | kergoth | heh, i dont know what people specialize in, actually |
| 04:14.02 | kergoth | i know tomw is a hardware guru |
| 04:14.08 | kergoth | beyond that, /me shrugs |
| 04:14.21 | sorphin | as is ken |
| 04:14.25 | kergoth | yeah |
| 04:14.50 | sorphin | kergoth: heh, you know what i specialize in now |
| 04:14.56 | sorphin | some hardware stuff too |
| 04:15.07 | prpplague | kergoth: jacques_gone does toolchains like a mf |
| 04:15.23 | kergoth | sorphin: yeah, networky bits :) |
| 04:15.25 | kergoth | prpplague: ah |
| 04:18.49 | prpplague | kergoth: andersee:bb/uclibc/uclinux kergoth/oz CosmicPenguin/fltk/pixil file/cybiko/ jacques_gone/toolchains mastermnd_/buildroot Morn/handywoman pattieja/thinclients scanline/picogui/gui/ts signal11/sysadmin sorphin/generalinfo |
| 04:19.12 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:19.34 | sorphin | and of course |
| 04:19.38 | prpplague | ? |
| 04:19.42 | sorphin | prpplague: resident drunk |
| 04:19.48 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:19.48 | prpplague | lol |
| 04:19.54 | kergoth | prpplague/pos |
| 04:20.19 | kergoth | speaking of OZ, i just updated unstable |
| 04:20.34 | kergoth | but careful, its possbile to make your Z no longer boot due to ipkg being a bitch and me having to hack around its lacks |
| 04:20.36 | sorphin | kergoth: are you calling dave a piece of shit? |
| 04:20.37 | prpplague | kergoth: hey now, would you call a woman a slut? no need to insult me either, lol |
| 04:21.00 | kergoth | now i have to figure out how to correct a completely blown upgrade path |
| 04:21.55 | kergoth | i've got a problem here |
| 04:21.59 | kergoth | oz-base used to include inittab |
| 04:22.02 | kergoth | now sysvinit includes inittab |
| 04:22.06 | prpplague | "oz we have a problem" |
| 04:22.14 | kergoth | if the user upgrades oz-base only, they now dont have an inittab |
| 04:22.15 | kergoth | Bad Thing |
| 04:22.32 | kergoth | if user upgrades teh works, and it tries to upgrade sysvinit first, it errors because oz-base owns the same file |
| 04:22.54 | prpplague | kergoth: no, a bad thing is when your 5 year old son is kicking your ass in a q3 deathmatch |
| 04:23.05 | sorphin | prpplague: loser |
| 04:23.09 | kergoth | so the question is, how can I setup the upgrade path to ensure the user cant get the system in an inconsistent state |
| 04:23.23 | kergoth | I made sysvinit Conflict with the versions of oz-base that included inittab |
| 04:23.30 | kergoth | ipkg is smart enough to fix the upgrade order |
| 04:23.52 | kergoth | due to the conflict |
| 04:24.07 | kergoth | but the user can still upgrade just oz-base and not sysvinit, thereby leaving them with a useless system |
| 04:24.18 | prpplague | ouch |
| 04:24.31 | kergoth | I hate to make oz-base Dpends on sysvinit |
| 04:24.35 | kergoth | because technically it doesnt |
| 04:24.46 | kergoth | you could have a system with another init, or with a kernel that boots sh, not init |
| 04:24.52 | sorphin | kergoth: well |
| 04:25.03 | kergoth | hm |
| 04:25.04 | sorphin | you could make it require/depend on either sysvinit or another init |
| 04:25.11 | kergoth | yeah, i was thinking about that |
| 04:25.14 | sorphin | debian does that, has dual depends |
| 04:25.14 | kergoth | Depends on init |
| 04:25.17 | sorphin | either one or another |
| 04:25.19 | kergoth | and make simpleinit and sysvinit both Provide init |
| 04:25.22 | kergoth | thatd be clean |
| 04:25.28 | kergoth | actually, even better |
| 04:25.32 | kergoth | oz-base Depends on oz-base-init |
| 04:25.40 | kergoth | which is Provided by oz-base-sysvinit |
| 04:25.46 | kergoth | which includes the base set of init scripts for sysvinit |
| 04:26.03 | sorphin | nod |
| 04:26.06 | kergoth | oz-base-sysvinit should Depends on the version of sysvinit that includes inittab |
| 04:26.33 | kergoth | lets see. ipkg upgrades oz-base, which tries to upgrade oz-base-sysvinit due to deps, but then flips the order due to the conflits |
| 04:27.04 | kergoth | then upgrades oz-base, now intitab is gone, upgrades oz-base-sysvinit, which upgrades sysvinit, then upgrades itself |
| 04:27.07 | kergoth | yep, that'll work |
| 04:27.12 | sorphin | scary |
| 04:27.23 | kergoth | amazing how much work is invovled in stupid packaging issues, eh? |
| 04:27.42 | sorphin | yup |
| 04:28.03 | kergoth | lets see if it tries to upgrade sysvinit first, that fails due to its conflict with old oz-base, adn starts the upgrade path from that direction |
| 04:28.07 | prpplague | well guys, i'm gonna go pass out on the couch now, later guys |
| 04:28.09 | kergoth | good good, that should still work |
| 04:28.11 | kergoth | night prpplague |
| 04:28.17 | prpplague | night |
| 04:28.33 | kergoth | sorphin: i have this exact situation 6 times |
| 04:28.42 | kergoth | oz-base used to include, inittab, modules.conf, ipkg.conf, etc |
| 04:28.49 | kergoth | now sysvint, modutils, ipkg, respectively |
| 04:28.54 | kergoth | and others |
| 04:29.00 | kergoth | talk about a bitch to manager |
| 04:29.02 | kergoth | manage |
| 04:29.03 | kergoth | bleh |
| 04:32.45 | sorphin | kergoth: sucks to be you apparently |
| 04:33.11 | kergoth | indeed |
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| 07:21.24 | fontenot | which version of blob should I use in my tuxscreen - I have 2.0.4 now but I wanna use new buildroot image with kernel in it |
| 07:22.46 | fontenot | hmm I have 2.0.5-pre3 on my other tux |
| 07:34.03 | fontenot | I'm doing 'download blob' but it never tries to receive download - says "You have 60 seconds to start downloading." and then nothing |
| 07:41.44 | fontenot | nm I remembered :-) |
| 07:59.54 | fontenot | has anyone tried using a recent buildroot image? |
| 08:00.04 | fontenot | I am getting some really strange stuff - it wont boot |
| 08:00.13 | fontenot | Child dir "bin" (ino #417) of dir ino #416 appears to be a hard link |
| 08:00.23 | fontenot | Argh. Special inode #361 with mode 020640 had more than one node |
| 08:00.23 | fontenot | Warning: unable to open an initial console. |
| 08:00.23 | fontenot | Argh. Special inode #362 with mode 020640 had more than one node |
| 08:00.26 | fontenot | then it hangs |
| 08:04.10 | fontenot | trying 'erase ramdisk' |
| 08:14.26 | fontenot | ah, much better |
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