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| 00:46.22 | CosmicPenguin | What up people? |
| 00:46.52 | TomW | Saturday night and it is snowing again. :( |
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| 01:08.36 | sorphin | TomW: simms showed up |
| 01:08.50 | TomW | cool! They work okay? |
| 01:09.08 | TomW | k |
| 01:09.16 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: whats up is no triple black singles yet, bah :P |
| 01:11.44 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: you can always give them out to your friends |
| 01:12.15 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: so, legally or not, where can I find a RDP terminal server without paying for it? |
| 01:12.20 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: true, except i have none around here anymore |
| 01:12.45 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: for example? |
| 01:13.12 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I just need a RDP server |
| 01:13.13 | CosmicPenguin | Thats all |
| 01:13.38 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: and I would rather not plunk down huge bucks for Win2k terminal server and never use it again, know what I'm saying? |
| 01:14.13 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: if by that you mean just a nice device w/ a buncha serials |
| 01:14.19 | sorphin | i dunno, i got my 2511 for free |
| 01:17.54 | sorphin | TomW: yo |
| 01:18.02 | TomW | ? |
| 01:21.34 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: find a friend, give him a triple black, and have *him* turn it on |
| 01:22.26 | sorphin | heh |
| 01:22.53 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: you got pixil gpl'd yet? :P |
| 01:24.12 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: not yet |
| 01:24.27 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: when it comes to greg, these things take time |
| 01:24.57 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I did get it running on the tux though |
| 01:24.58 | CosmicPenguin | Kinda |
| 01:25.03 | CosmicPenguin | The console keeps screwing with it |
| 01:25.57 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: fun |
| 01:26.02 | TomW | sorphin: those wires route the RDY/#BSY signal to the edge so that my programmer could tell when the Flash device was ready for the next byte. |
| 01:29.15 | TomW | sorphin: I tested the simms in my webpal to make sure that they booted. |
| 01:29.40 | sorphin | ok |
| 01:30.10 | TomW | I am not trying to sabotage your webpal. :-/ |
| 01:34.30 | sorphin | i know |
| 01:34.35 | sorphin | i just wasn't sure what they were for |
| 01:34.38 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: yeah, Greg has spent the part 3 years patiently killing all hope of a future for microwindows... He's clearly in no rush |
| 01:34.40 | sorphin | and i like knowing things ;) |
| 01:35.01 | sorphin | someone needs to kill a future for Greg ;p |
| 01:35.22 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: I've got the damn project on life support right now |
| 01:38.32 | sorphin | TomW: hmm |
| 01:38.57 | sorphin | the lights show good sign, but no serial, not even the Ctrl-A prompt on the serial.. and i cut jp1.. heh |
| 01:43.53 | sorphin | TomW: ahh.. it was because of the params, hitting sw2 got me what i needed |
| 01:44.57 | TomW | I use a KVM switch and have the wp hooked into it so I can have it use my LCD monitor & keyboad. |
| 01:45.11 | sorphin | nod |
| 01:45.43 | sorphin | eww |
| 01:45.48 | sorphin | checksum errors like a mofo |
| 01:45.51 | sorphin | reading |
| 01:45.59 | TomW | via bootp |
| 01:46.01 | TomW | ? |
| 01:46.14 | sorphin | yeah |
| 01:46.19 | TomW | mm |
| 01:46.31 | sorphin | this after cutting jp1.. |
| 01:46.36 | sorphin | trying my other serial adapter |
| 01:52.40 | TomW | well, I got debian running on the ide drive. |
| 01:53.16 | TomW | I would like to make the console fonts a lot LARGER though, cannot see the darned text on the TV set. |
| 01:53.28 | sorphin | hrm |
| 01:53.31 | sorphin | only changes are jp1 and that red wire |
| 01:53.41 | sorphin | now the thing comes up w/ the red led on right away |
| 01:53.58 | CosmicPenguin | I really don't care about "professional" TT fonts on Linux - what we realy need are some open source TV ready fonts |
| 01:54.03 | TomW | sorphin: the red led is the IDE drive light. |
| 01:54.25 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: agreed! |
| 01:54.42 | sorphin | TomW: it comes on right away and stays on |
| 01:54.47 | sorphin | no ctrl-a |
| 01:54.54 | sorphin | no nothing regardless of sw2 |
| 01:55.27 | TomW | I have been puzzling over the acorn frame buffer sources, AFAICT, I have to feed it a larger font. If it can render them. |
| 01:55.44 | TomW | sorphin: I have no serail hookup to the wp. |
| 01:56.05 | sorphin | heh |
| 01:57.31 | TomW | how about doing a pivot_root script? The pivot root on the Tux would leave the mtdblock (old root) under mnt/initrd. I used to be able to edit the contents of the flash from there (copy files, etc). |
| 01:58.01 | sorphin | and unless i'm imagining, the other simm pretends like it has nothing on it :P (in both webpals) |
| 01:58.10 | sorphin | you sure you flashed *both* simms? :/ |
| 01:58.11 | TomW | chouimat|hungry: how can you cook THEN be hungry, doesn't it go the other way around? |
| 01:58.23 | TomW | sorphin: yes, and booted both. |
| 01:58.26 | CosmicPenguin | SO nobody knows of an open source RDP server then? |
| 01:58.35 | TomW | RDP? |
| 01:58.39 | chouimat|hungry | TomW: I did a huge batch of spagetti sauce and I'm waiting for it to be ready in some hours |
| 01:58.46 | CosmicPenguin | I gotta make like Blackbeard then? |
| 01:59.01 | CosmicPenguin | Yar |
| 01:59.02 | sorphin | TomW: well, the 2nd one has nothing on it from the way both webpals are acting (and no, i didn't do any hotswapping or anything) |
| 01:59.12 | TomW | ibot RDP? |
| 01:59.12 | | TomW: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 01:59.27 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: Remote Desktop Protocol, IIRC |
| 01:59.32 | CosmicPenguin | Kinda like VNC for Windoze |
| 01:59.46 | chouimat|hungry | CosmicPenguin: winblows terminal server? |
| 01:59.47 | TomW | sorphin: hmm, clean the edge contacts? |
| 01:59.54 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat|hungry: exactly |
| 02:00.16 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: eyuuuh! |
| 02:00.31 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: I know nada bout that. |
| 02:00.53 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: Unfortunately I can't pick my clients |
| 02:00.59 | TomW | In fact, I don't even want to go there to see how badly they fsck'ed up that idea. |
| 02:01.11 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: He wants a RDP client on Linux, but I gotta test it somehow |
| 02:01.56 | sorphin | TomW: nada, this simm has nothing on it, doesn't even try and boot |
| 02:04.01 | sorphin | ah well |
| 02:07.13 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: WOW! now that is what I call a font! |
| 02:07.42 | chouimat|hungry | TomW: huh? |
| 02:07.57 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: I enabled the extra compiled in fonts of the frame buffer and chose the 12x22 font. WOW! |
| 02:08.13 | chouimat|hungry | 12x22 on 640x480????? |
| 02:08.28 | TomW | yeah! Almost looks like a TT font. |
| 02:08.41 | chouimat|hungry | TomW: that must be huge |
| 02:08.56 | TomW | I'm gonna try it on the TV to see how it looks. |
| 02:09.27 | sorphin | TomW: thanks for trying btw.. |
| 02:13.06 | sorphin | chouimat|hungry: i'm back in that boat |
| 02:14.07 | chouimat|hungry | sorphin: I will try to find someone with better soldering skil than me and pay him to do the serial adapter |
| 02:15.14 | TomW | it looks real good on the TV, 53 chars x 21 line! |
| 02:15.56 | TomW | now to get the IR keyboard & mouse working... |
| 02:15.59 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:16.53 | TomW | sorphin: I thought that I was doing a good thing... sorry. |
| 02:18.13 | sorphin | TomW: um.. you did, that's why i said thanks |
| 02:18.31 | sorphin | <sorphin> TomW: thanks for trying btw.. |
| 02:19.12 | sorphin | guess i'm just not meant to have working webpals |
| 02:19.56 | chouimat|hungry | sorphin: calm down maybe some day that will work for you |
| 02:20.58 | sorphin | chouimat|hungry: "calm down" ? that would require me to even be worked up, i was making a simple statement |
| 02:22.24 | chouimat|hungry | http://anthrax.ds.pg.gda.pl/server/ |
| 02:29.03 | TomW | sorphin: is it possible to use IOCTLs to read / write to the lpt ? |
| 02:29.10 | TomW | or parport0 dev? |
| 02:30.20 | sorphin | i duno the parallel port is what that one guy uses (instead of serial) |
| 02:30.22 | TomW | cause if it is, it should be possible to program the simms with a series of octal latches & some octal buffer chips. |
| 02:33.25 | fontenot | wow that's the last time I do make bootstrap on gcc without setting --enable-languages |
| 02:33.42 | fontenot | there's only about a million files in theuseless java crap |
| 02:33.42 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:33.52 | sorphin | fontenot: um.. that's why you never do that |
| 02:35.13 | fontenot | i never will again |
| 02:35.56 | fontenot | make that two million |
| 02:38.33 | fontenot | well at least my new box did it in under 27 minutes :-) |
| 02:42.16 | sorphin | nod |
| 02:42.58 | fontenot | how do I make kernel build with different compiler? I forget |
| 02:43.10 | fontenot | exporting CC does not work |
| 02:43.21 | fontenot | CC=foo make ? |
| 02:43.53 | MonMotha | fontenot: are you trying to xcompile? |
| 02:44.09 | MonMotha | make CROSS_COMPILE="arm-linux-" bzImage |
| 02:44.16 | fontenot | MonMotha: nope, just use gcc3 to build a kernel instead of gcc2 |
| 02:44.21 | fontenot | maybe it's HOSTCC |
| 02:44.23 | MonMotha | ah, CC= should work for that |
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| 02:44.34 | MonMotha | at least I'm pretty sure I've done that before |
| 02:45.03 | fontenot | nope that's not it either tho it looks like it from the amkefile |
| 02:45.21 | fontenot | make dep is using gcc no matter what I do |
| 02:46.34 | sorphin | MonMotha: yo |
| 02:46.40 | sorphin | MonMotha: what's the current on your programmer? |
| 02:47.36 | MonMotha | well, I've got all the hardware done except for the ack logic |
| 02:47.40 | sorphin | the 2nd simm i got back from tomw seemed blank and the 1st was fine till i tried writing params to it, so trying a local programmer is another shot |
| 02:47.43 | sorphin | nod |
| 02:48.20 | MonMotha | and I won't be able to finish building it until at least tuesday as I have to stop by MAI on monday since my local radio shack no longer stocks NOR gates |
| 02:48.26 | MonMotha | sorphin: what do you think I'm doing :) |
| 02:48.51 | MonMotha | it's built entirely from 74 series glue logic (about 20 chips total) |
| 02:48.52 | sorphin | there's a place local here that prolly has all the chips i'd need |
| 02:49.05 | MonMotha | yeah, MAI is about 20min away for me |
| 02:49.09 | MonMotha | they have everythign I need usually |
| 02:49.13 | chouimat | MonMotha: parallel port? |
| 02:49.20 | sorphin | yes |
| 02:49.46 | fontenot | dammit no matter what I do it uses gcc |
| 02:49.57 | fontenot | I even edited the makefile |
| 02:50.26 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:50.32 | sorphin | fontenot: trying to xcompile a kernel? |
| 02:51.11 | chouimat | ok I will need to redo that box from scratch ..... |
| 02:51.27 | MonMotha | chouimat: of course |
| 02:51.28 | fontenot | pos badly written makefile |
| 02:51.57 | fontenot | at one point it does CC=$(CROSS_COMPILE)gcc |
| 02:52.10 | chouimat | MonMotha: there no way to flash a webpal via a laplink cable :) just asking :) |
| 02:53.28 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:53.51 | chouimat | sorphin: :) |
| 03:00.10 | fontenot | bah it was all for nothing anyway |
| 03:00.20 | fontenot | that's what I get for believeing what I read on forums |
| 03:03.35 | sorphin | fontenot: eh? |
| 03:03.54 | fontenot | having ide problem on nforce2 |
| 03:04.02 | fontenot | trying lots of things to fix it |
| 03:04.07 | fontenot | none working |
| 03:04.17 | sorphin | ah |
| 03:20.24 | fontenot | whoo-hoo |
| 03:20.31 | fontenot | alan cox knows about my problem |
| 03:20.39 | TomW | argh! this luban guy puts a patch up for the webpal so you can use the IR keyboard and it won't compile. |
| 03:20.44 | fontenot | "Yep. I'll apply the obvious fix if Vojtech doesn't. Its on the known list" |
| 03:22.28 | fontenot | maybe I'll pass the time by playing with xfree 4.3.0 |
| 03:22.34 | sorphin | heh |
| 03:23.24 | MonMotha | sorphin: on the up-side, this thing may have a lot of hardware, but the software should be pretty easy |
| 03:24.05 | MonMotha | send command (EPP address cycle), send data, monitor for result if applicable (the device will ACK immediately, but for flash erase operations, you have to monitor in software, using the menthod of your choosing) |
| 03:24.16 | MonMotha | BSY/RDY is connected to an input if the chip has it |
| 03:28.05 | sorphin | it does |
| 03:28.21 | MonMotha | yes, but this thing can burn other types of programmable ROMs too (EEPROMs and PROMs) |
| 03:28.22 | sorphin | that's why tomw wired this red wire to one of the simm pins |
| 03:28.36 | sorphin | so his programmer would see bsy/rdy |
| 03:28.54 | MonMotha | it even does the A9->12V thing for identifying the manufactuer of EPROMs if you want it to (or you can simplify the design by not including it) |
| 03:29.08 | MonMotha | mind should also be able to engage the sector protection feature of the ROM |
| 03:29.21 | MonMotha | you have to be able to put 12V on the OE# line |
| 03:29.31 | sorphin | nod |
| 03:29.48 | fontenot | my dsl is screwing up again |
| 03:30.23 | sorphin | heh |
| 03:30.24 | MonMotha | sorphin: should be very handy for people who don't have programmers |
| 03:30.28 | sorphin | MonMotha: nod |
| 03:31.57 | MonMotha | ? |
| 03:32.33 | MonMotha | sorphin: are you going to want 32bit access support or will 16 do (please don't say you want 32...that would require me changing my design quite a bit as I'm out of lines :) |
| 03:32.51 | MonMotha | well, not really... |
| 03:32.58 | MonMotha | I guess I could grab one more line off the decoder |
| 03:33.16 | sorphin | i won't need more than what's needed to flash 1 chip, so.. |
| 03:33.36 | MonMotha | that would be 16 bit |
| 03:33.40 | MonMotha | some webpals come with 2MB roms |
| 03:33.46 | MonMotha | running in 32 bit mode |
| 03:34.20 | sorphin | i know |
| 03:34.24 | sorphin | neither of mine do |
| 03:34.30 | MonMotha | none of mine do either |
| 03:34.35 | MonMotha | I gather they were fairly rare |
| 03:35.34 | MonMotha | though I have thought about "upgrading" one of mine, though I'd probably make a custom SIMM, grab a few more address lines, and put like 4MB on it, 16 bits wide to keep thigns simple (because of the way you have to put the ps7500 in 32 bit mode would require some extensive modifications to things like start.S in blob) |
| 03:35.45 | MonMotha | hum, I should probably work on my BLOB port some to |
| 03:35.46 | MonMotha | o |
| 03:36.07 | file | MonMotha: how goes it btw |
| 03:36.22 | sorphin | nod |
| 03:36.31 | MonMotha | file: fine... |
| 03:36.38 | file | MonMotha: I meant the portng |
| 03:36.42 | file | er porting |
| 03:36.44 | MonMotha | oh, of blob? |
| 03:36.48 | file | yes' |
| 03:37.03 | MonMotha | not really sure...I think I have basic startup code (16 bit roms only) and memory setup for the clps7500 |
| 03:37.28 | MonMotha | however, I have yet to integrate it into the BLOB build routine well (not to mention that blob CVS seems otherwise broken currently, so it won't compile anwyay) |
| 03:37.43 | MonMotha | and I've almost surely made a mistake somewhere as this is the first time I've ever done anythign in assembly :) |
| 03:38.00 | sorphin | MonMotha: file doesn't even have a webpal/tux, so.. :P |
| 03:38.04 | MonMotha | heh |
| 03:38.10 | MonMotha | blob runs on the tux |
| 03:38.13 | MonMotha | runs quite well in fact |
| 03:38.24 | MonMotha | though I've thought of messing with the memory timings as I gather it's not fully optmized |
| 03:38.46 | MonMotha | is there an easy way to detect EDO vs. FP memory? |
| 03:39.00 | MonMotha | I have a 16MB fast page SIMM, but the webpal ships with EDO |
| 03:39.25 | sorphin | heh |
| 03:39.37 | MonMotha | (I have two 16 meggers laying around, figured I might as well use them) |
| 03:39.40 | sorphin | worked fine regardless |
| 03:39.43 | MonMotha | I had them in my IPX, but it hated me :) |
| 03:39.55 | MonMotha | so my IPX is down to 24MB of RAM |
| 03:39.56 | sorphin | my 16s came from my classic |
| 03:39.58 | MonMotha | used to ahve like 56 |
| 03:40.03 | sorphin | work fine |
| 03:40.12 | MonMotha | these are cheapy ones, not parity |
| 03:40.16 | MonMotha | I gather that the IPX needs parity |
| 03:40.22 | sorphin | just try them anyways :P |
| 03:40.31 | sorphin | as worst they just won't work :P |
| 03:40.33 | MonMotha | I did, segfaults abound on my IPX |
| 03:40.39 | sorphin | no |
| 03:40.42 | sorphin | i mean on the webpal ;p |
| 03:41.41 | MonMotha | oh |
| 03:50.46 | sorphin | the busyboy returns |
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| 03:56.11 | fontenot | ibot: test |
| 03:56.15 | | KICK doughecka |
| 03:58.47 | sorphin | heh |
| 04:14.46 | MonMotha | hum, think I could make a K6-2/500 (2.0Vcore) work with 2.1V? |
| 04:14.53 | MonMotha | a little extra cooling should do I'm betting |
| 04:17.19 | sorphin | dunno |
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| 05:42.17 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
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| 15:00.39 | file | greetings |
| 15:02.55 | ade|indy | lo folks |
| 15:03.57 | ade|indy | quick question: which lines in a null modem cable are really used and which are useful but not needed? |
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| 17:13.23 | chouimat | morning |
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| 19:02.25 | MonMotha | ade|indy: in theory you can get by with just ground->ground, txd->rxd, and rxd->txd |
| 19:02.28 | MonMotha | but then you'll have no flow control |
| 19:02.54 | MonMotha | if you KNOW the machines are on the same ground, you may even be able to drop the ground (but I certainly wouldn't reccomend that) |
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| 19:23.45 | ade|indy | ta |
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