| 00:29.41 | sorphin | grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr] |
| 00:29.44 | sorphin | just got a mail from the fucker backing out because he goofed on the price |
| 00:29.46 | sorphin | that's not MY fault, so i'm going to see what ebay says |
| 00:29.48 | sorphin | cuz he breeched the contract |
| 00:35.43 | jacques | bastard |
| 00:36.25 | jacques | i would definitely report it to ebay |
| 00:40.02 | sorphin | i posted on their boards seeing what ppl say |
| 00:40.05 | sorphin | cuz that's BS |
| 00:40.18 | sorphin | ebay staff posts on there too so hopefully one of em will catch it |
| 00:44.56 | jacques | they guy should know better than to even try that |
| 00:55.54 | sorphin | well |
| 00:56.11 | sorphin | i got a response on the boards (1 so far).. ebay can't force him to sell, only a judge can |
| 01:24.15 | Morn | can anyone help me understand db values in reference to a wireless device signal strength |
| 01:27.04 | jacques | sorphin: can you give him bad feedback? |
| 01:27.18 | jacques | sorphin: would that even matter to him? |
| 01:28.45 | sorphin | i just did |
| 01:28.52 | sorphin | seems he has 120 of them |
| 01:29.06 | sorphin | but the 'recent review' doesn't show them, just the feedback entries themselves do |
| 01:29.16 | jacques | sorphin: what were you trying to buy? |
| 01:29.24 | jacques | 120 bad feedback?? |
| 01:30.48 | sorphin | out of 3xxx good ones |
| 01:30.52 | sorphin | video card |
| 01:31.10 | jacques | anyone who does that much business should stand by his word |
| 01:31.26 | jacques | sigh |
| 01:31.31 | sorphin | yeah |
| 01:32.11 | sorphin | jacques: look up item 3403837039 |
| 01:34.10 | MonMotha6 | $11.99 eh? |
| 01:35.07 | sorphin | i thought it was odd since his other auc was 69.99 but it now |
| 01:35.15 | sorphin | but that's not my problem if he can't watch what he posts |
| 01:35.53 | MonMotha6 | agreed |
| 01:36.28 | sorphin | i posted negative feedback |
| 01:36.30 | jacques | he screwed up he should eat it |
| 01:36.46 | jacques | he claims > 3500 positive feedback |
| 01:36.49 | sorphin | jacques: well, the fucker charges $16 for ups ground too |
| 01:37.01 | jacques | tho I only see 3492 heh |
| 01:37.09 | jacques | ugh |
| 01:37.17 | jacques | does he charge $20 for handling too? |
| 01:37.27 | sorphin | look at the auction :P |
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| 01:38.51 | jacques | think he coul duse any bigger fontsize? |
| 01:38.57 | sorphin | hehe |
| 01:39.04 | sorphin | the specs he posted are wrong too |
| 01:39.08 | sorphin | i looked on nvidia's site |
| 01:39.20 | sorphin | the SE has 1 billion and 31 million, not 1.1 and 34 |
| 01:39.30 | file | nothing like a good ol' session of Doom, first version ;) |
| 01:40.22 | MonMotha6 | sorphin: also claims it can drive two monitors |
| 01:40.32 | jacques | sorphin: from the looks of it that card only has one video output - his genreal specs talk about dual vga out |
| 01:40.40 | jacques | yeah what MonMotha6 said |
| 01:41.17 | MonMotha6 | and I love how active cooling is a big plus |
| 01:41.23 | MonMotha6 | if it can be done with a passive cooler, do it |
| 01:41.25 | MonMotha6 | fans just die |
| 01:42.12 | sorphin | the chip can |
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| 01:42.25 | sorphin | the card has svideo out |
| 01:42.27 | sorphin | scanline: yo |
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| 01:42.35 | jacques | yeha the chip has dual ramdacs |
| 01:42.36 | sorphin | scanline: cp was wondering where youd been |
| 01:42.55 | MonMotha6 | but he claims dual CRT at 2048x1536 |
| 01:43.06 | MonMotha6 | so unless that svideo can do 2048x1536 progressive... |
| 01:44.44 | sorphin | well anyways |
| 01:44.47 | sorphin | what's done is done |
| 01:44.51 | sorphin | i posted him negative |
| 01:45.12 | sorphin | guess i'm stuck w/ my b0rked GF256 for a while longer |
| 01:46.43 | sorphin | just watch, he'll prolly try and retaliate |
| 01:47.09 | sorphin | tho i've noticed, he looks like another one of those sellers that expects feedback but never actually leaves any for others |
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| 01:51.47 | brimstone | can someone send me a good website on getting linux on my Palm Vx? |
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| 02:31.01 | sorphin | and it's all kergoth's fault |
| 02:31.48 | kergoth | dood |
| 02:32.04 | kergoth | i just got off of a 2.5 hour phone call |
| 02:32.24 | kergoth | i need to hit something |
| 02:32.31 | file[bed] | kergoth: I hope it wasn't long distance |
| 02:32.39 | kergoth | file[bed]: work. |
| 02:32.42 | kergoth | i work in tech support |
| 02:32.47 | kergoth | just a fucking idito |
| 02:32.47 | file[bed] | k |
| 02:32.49 | kergoth | idiot |
| 02:32.54 | file[bed] | kergoth: what level of idiocy? |
| 02:33.04 | kergoth | gross idiocy |
| 02:33.08 | file[bed] | oh my |
| 02:33.08 | sorphin | kergoth: umm.. i've had a far worse day than you i'm sure :P |
| 02:33.20 | kergoth | fool of a pick database admin trying to do networking and AIX administration |
| 02:33.29 | sorphin | work fucked me, i won't be able to see sarah this weekend, and then (points up at the ebay fiasco) |
| 02:33.36 | kergoth | "well, you need to assign two ips to these devices from your subnet" |
| 02:33.39 | kergoth | them: "what ips?" |
| 02:33.44 | kergoth | me: "ask your network admin." |
| 02:33.48 | kergoth | them: "what network admin?" |
| 02:33.53 | kergoth | me: *bang head against desk* |
| 02:33.56 | sorphin | hehe |
| 02:34.01 | file[bed] | kergoth: oh dear god that sounds bad... I pity you |
| 02:34.10 | kergoth | sorphin: ouch, sorry to hear that |
| 02:34.14 | kergoth | file[bed]: hah |
| 02:34.41 | file[bed] | they're talking up valuable desk space... |
| 02:34.43 | file[bed] | er taking |
| 02:36.22 | sorphin | kergoth: i almost feel like i work for digi :P |
| 02:36.37 | kergoth | ~lart sorphin |
| 02:36.40 | kergoth | :) |
| 02:37.41 | jacques | "Fascinate Design with Footstand can be set in vertical way." |
| 02:37.53 | jacques | "Best Performed SECC Japanese Steel." |
| 02:37.56 | jacques | lol |
| 02:38.45 | sorphin | kergoth: um... my name isn't natalie portman |
| 02:38.53 | sorphin | no hot grits down my pants |
| 02:40.10 | jacques | mmmmmm natalie |
| 02:46.13 | sorphin | jacques: heh |
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| 03:27.03 | sorphin | hahaha |
| 03:27.11 | kergoth | ? |
| 03:27.21 | sorphin | the mail i just got from that seller |
| 03:28.04 | sorphin | "Thanks for your negative feedback. I guess you are perfect and you never make mistakes." |
| 03:30.43 | jacques | screw him |
| 03:30.55 | jacques | he's a sleazoid |
| 03:31.09 | sorphin | yup |
| 03:31.17 | jacques | I wonder how "forgiving" he would be if the shoe was on the other foot |
| 03:31.17 | sorphin | if you read the negs he has |
| 03:31.31 | sorphin | he has posted non paying bidder for people that DID pay |
| 03:31.39 | sorphin | w/ a money order and the item was shipped |
| 03:33.21 | sorphin | i'm not perfect, but i don't fuck up my auctions |
| 03:37.30 | jacques | nobody is perfect - its how they deal with their mistakes that counts |
| 03:37.35 | jacques | it's |
| 03:37.37 | jacques | :-D |
| 03:38.45 | sorphin | yup |
| 03:39.14 | sorphin | he's just being greedy.. funny how he says in his auc "100% satisfaction guarantee" and yet charges a 20% restocking free |
| 03:39.16 | sorphin | erm |
| 03:39.16 | sorphin | fee |
| 03:40.54 | jacques | wow 20% is at the top of the scale |
| 03:42.00 | sorphin | ebay will do whatever w/ him now, as long as he doesn't touch my feedback, i'm happy now |
| 03:43.29 | sorphin | still funny how his 'feedback review' that lil thing on the right of the feedback page doesn't show his negatives.. only the actual feedbacks down below show them |
| 03:44.39 | sorphin | he's already gotten a few more positives claiming he's an honest seller, etc |
| 03:44.41 | sorphin | riiiight |
| 03:45.56 | jacques | yeah ppl abuse the system so badly |
| 03:46.35 | jacques | well heading out for a bit |
| 03:59.57 | sorphin | stupid usb scsi crap hung again as did the burning process, yet i can do a dir on the drive that is hanging.. |
| 04:00.07 | sorphin | wonder if burnfree will allow me to 'continue' |
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| 04:09.24 | sorphin | jacques_gone: heh, he sold someone a P4 motherboard for $23, and yet the $11.99 for my video card was a "mistake" |
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| 04:40.20 | legodude_ | xeonlinux:/home/legodude# ./wpflash -nowait read all webpal.backup.image |
| 04:40.20 | legodude_ | Attempting to contact programmer... |
| 04:40.27 | legodude_ | anyone know why that would hang like that? |
| 04:40.51 | legodude_ | I successfully transferred prog.srec over to the webpal |
| 04:41.02 | legodude_ | then go to wpflash it and I never get anywhere |
| 04:41.39 | legodude_ | sometimes it will get to: |
| 04:41.39 | legodude_ | xeonlinux:/home/legodude# ./wpflash -nowait read all webpal.backup.image |
| 04:41.40 | legodude_ | Attempting to contact programmer...done |
| 04:41.40 | legodude_ | Initializing flash... |
| 04:41.51 | legodude_ | at which point the red led comes on but it dies |
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| 04:58.21 | chouimat|Zzzzzz | night |
| 04:58.40 | legodude_ | argh |
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| 05:28.04 | legodude | stupid internet |
| 05:28.24 | legodude | webpal is still borkin :( |
| 05:30.58 | sorphin | nod |
| 05:33.27 | legodude | I have no idea why it would bork at wpflash |
| 05:33.37 | legodude | with my new serial adapter I have no problems with gdb |
| 05:34.58 | sorphin | nod |
| 05:36.00 | legodude | dvd burning still scares me |
| 05:36.13 | legodude | bad flashbacks to early cd burners |
| 05:36.28 | sorphin | heh |
| 05:36.32 | sorphin | well, the only reason this hung |
| 05:36.41 | sorphin | was because the drive it was reading from hung |
| 05:36.43 | sorphin | stupid usb crap |
| 05:37.31 | legodude | ugh |
| 05:37.34 | legodude | that's fun |
| 05:38.25 | legodude | I get nice and different behavior from two webpals |
| 05:38.26 | legodude | that's fun |
| 05:39.26 | legodude | gah |
| 05:39.32 | legodude | to my serial terminal they look the same |
| 05:39.39 | sorphin | nod |
| 05:40.33 | legodude | gdb just don't like one of them |
| 05:40.54 | sorphin | nod |
| 05:41.06 | sorphin | it's stubborn |
| 05:41.18 | legodude | well |
| 05:41.23 | sorphin | it took me 15 tries :P |
| 05:41.27 | legodude | one webpal is spitting out extra data out serial port |
| 05:41.36 | legodude | it does easy rider |
| 05:41.37 | legodude | then other stuff |
| 05:41.39 | legodude | gah |
| 05:41.45 | sorphin | nod |
| 05:46.39 | legodude | kill gdb would mean kill -9 it, correct? |
| 05:49.17 | legodude | sometimes wpflash says it connects |
| 05:49.20 | legodude | and red led goes out |
| 05:49.20 | sorphin | yes |
| 05:49.22 | legodude | but then there it hangs |
| 05:49.34 | sorphin | nod |
| 05:49.36 | sorphin | had that before |
| 05:50.22 | legodude | what you do to fix it? |
| 05:52.50 | sorphin | are you trying to write 1st or read? |
| 05:57.21 | legodude | read |
| 05:57.24 | legodude | backup the flash |
| 05:57.36 | legodude | just following the directions |
| 05:58.13 | legodude | should I go for write without read? |
| 06:00.01 | sorphin | no |
| 06:02.19 | legodude | read is consistantly failing |
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| 06:22.19 | legodude_ | god damn |
| 06:22.26 | legodude_ | sorphin: you still around? |
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| 15:12.05 | sorphin | TomW: allo |
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| 15:14.08 | sieve | morning #eLinux |
| 15:14.10 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm... is it just me, or do I not remember the tuxscreen console turning off and never turning back on again? |
| 15:14.39 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i thikn your tux is starting to not like you |
| 15:15.06 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: true that. every time I start to work on it, it does something to break |
| 15:15.35 | sorphin | hahaha |
| 15:15.40 | sorphin | top story on /. |
| 15:15.49 | sorphin | ibot: slashdot |
| 15:16.26 | sorphin | apparently they need to scan for "Microsoft Office" instead :P |
| 15:17.19 | legodude_ | sorphin: how you fix your wpflash problems? |
| 15:17.32 | sorphin | legodude_: large sledge hammer |
| 15:18.49 | legodude_ | hrm |
| 15:18.55 | legodude_ | tempting... |
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| 15:21.53 | sorphin | and there's that plague bitch |
| 15:22.12 | prpplague | sorphin: and the worldcom lackey |
| 15:22.26 | sorphin | prpplague: hopefully not for much longer |
| 15:22.41 | legodude_ | where you heading to? |
| 15:23.00 | sorphin | legodude_: anywhere else |
| 15:23.59 | sorphin | haha |
| 15:24.09 | sorphin | that twit followed up on my negative feedback |
| 15:24.15 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:24.17 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:24.24 | sorphin | damn right i am |
| 15:24.32 | sorphin | i don't mispost auctions :P |
| 15:25.06 | sorphin | least he didn't touch my feedback |
| 15:25.26 | legodude_ | hehe |
| 15:25.51 | legodude_ | I've had that happen a couple times |
| 15:25.59 | legodude_ | I've never gotten screwed out of money though |
| 15:26.08 | sorphin | i didn't pay him |
| 15:26.10 | sorphin | thankfully |
| 15:26.14 | legodude_ | ja |
| 15:26.42 | legodude_ | paypal is decently safe though if you pay with credit card |
| 15:28.20 | prpplague | ya i got an item on ebay right now that i'm think i got ripped on |
| 15:29.22 | legodude_ | I've had two auctions where I won and seller never responded |
| 15:29.23 | sorphin | legodude_: if you buy their $ back guarantee |
| 15:29.32 | legodude_ | nah |
| 15:29.41 | legodude_ | just put a hold payment on your credit card |
| 15:31.32 | prpplague | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=18827&item=3312287770&rd=1 |
| 15:34.17 | legodude_ | 6 feedback? |
| 15:34.20 | legodude_ | ebay weenie :P |
| 15:34.48 | CosmicPenguin | logan's run? |
| 15:35.45 | prpplague | legodude_: i've purchased alot more, just never get anyone doing feed back |
| 15:36.01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you've never seen logan run? |
| 15:36.27 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: well yeah, but that doesn't mean I'm going to run out and buy a studio picture |
| 15:36.41 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: unless of course, you're talking about Debbie Does Dallas |
| 15:37.09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: lol |
| 15:37.42 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: LR was one of the movie's i saw as a kid, its just always been a good memory |
| 15:37.50 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: understandable |
| 15:40.31 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: there was a Logan's Run tv series as well, 14 epi's |
| 15:41.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: they sell pirated copies on ebay alot, they often top $1k for all 14 epi's |
| 15:42.01 | sorphin | prpplague: i make sure to prod them for feedback |
| 15:43.23 | prpplague | sorphin: ya well when you're buying used panties you might not want to post feedback :) |
| 15:43.40 | prpplague | jk |
| 15:43.42 | sorphin | prpplague: i bought pr0n from ebay |
| 15:43.50 | sorphin | they're all (private) auctions tho |
| 15:43.51 | sorphin | :P |
| 15:44.00 | sorphin | aka you can't look up hte item |
| 15:44.06 | sorphin | but you can make any auction private |
| 15:44.58 | prpplague | i've never actually sold anything on ebay, just purchased |
| 15:45.06 | sorphin | nod |
| 15:45.13 | sorphin | sold a couple things |
| 15:47.53 | sorphin | my old 3com switch and a vaio laptop |
| 15:48.38 | TomW | sorphin: hello |
| 15:48.44 | prpplague | i used to buy timex sinclairs alot, but these days they get pretty expensiv |
| 15:48.46 | prpplague | TomW: lo |
| 15:49.11 | TomW | I am back amoungst the daytimers again. |
| 15:49.49 | prpplague | TomW: recovered from you lead posioning from lead based solder? |
| 15:50.29 | sorphin | prpplague: he said the daytimers, not the living |
| 15:50.51 | TomW | naw, was doing some work on the network at the isp and had to be there early in the morning so as not to disrupt the customers too much. |
| 15:51.36 | prpplague | TomW: you sniff any good connections while you were there? |
| 15:51.45 | TomW | Doesn't pay anything, but they give me my internet access for free and I have a T1 that they let me admin. |
| 15:52.19 | sorphin | TomW: that's like when i worked for the isp |
| 15:52.39 | sorphin | my access was free and i got whatever hardware i wanted for free (they were a hardware seller too) |
| 15:53.33 | TomW | so far, all I am getting is practical knowledge and being tired a lot. |
| 15:58.12 | prpplague | hmm, 271 users on a quad 800 xeon with a load average of 16 seems a little high |
| 15:58.13 | TomW | ok, got my public cvs running again. |
| 15:58.26 | TomW | ? |
| 15:58.27 | prpplague | does that seem high to anyone else? |
| 15:58.48 | sorphin | prpplague: depends on what they're all running |
| 15:58.56 | TomW | never looked into what load average meant, my loading is usually so low anyway. |
| 15:59.02 | prpplague | sorphin: ncurses db app |
| 15:59.15 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:59.23 | sorphin | all you had to say was db :P |
| 16:02.32 | sorphin | oh lord |
| 16:02.36 | sorphin | now i've seen it all |
| 16:02.46 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: is the hackkit going to have an ide header on it? |
| 16:02.48 | sorphin | someone's description somewhere |
| 16:02.51 | sorphin | "my wife is very emotional.. she gets choked up every time I give her a pearl |
| 16:02.53 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:02.58 | sorphin | that's just... sad |
| 16:03.14 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: it will if you put one on it ;) |
| 16:03.52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: no ide, hackkit is a core module in concept |
| 16:04.09 | CosmicPenguin | true, true... ask a stupid question.... |
| 16:04.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: all the pins for the sa-1110 are available on the header so you can build what ever you want |
| 16:04.40 | sorphin | coo |
| 16:05.00 | sorphin | wood or aluminum? :P |
| 16:05.14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the sa-1110 has support for one pcmcia or cf slot(without hotswap support) which you could hook up to use a storage device there |
| 16:05.46 | sorphin | prpplague: only 1? |
| 16:06.08 | sorphin | how'd the tux scamming 2 then? (yes, i know it's not a 1110, but a 1100) |
| 16:07.34 | prpplague | sorphin: it uses other glue logic |
| 16:08.08 | prpplague | sorphin: thats why almost all pda's based on the strongarm only have one slot |
| 16:08.23 | sorphin | ah |
| 16:08.26 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: so what you are saying is that a hardware idiot like me will be out of luck |
| 16:08.33 | CosmicPenguin | It has a USB port, right? |
| 16:08.54 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: no, because we will have "hacks" available with docs and info |
| 16:08.57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: no |
| 16:09.01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: just a core |
| 16:09.08 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: right, I see |
| 16:09.44 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the whole concept is for ppl to build around it |
| 16:10.23 | sorphin | prpplague: there's not one big enough |
| 16:10.29 | prpplague | sorphin: ? |
| 16:10.39 | sorphin | prpplague: the hackkit looks big physically |
| 16:10.57 | prpplague | sorphin: i was thinking more like an oversized pda |
| 16:11.06 | prpplague | sorphin: something with a small 640x480 display |
| 16:11.16 | prpplague | sorphin: i really should say small webpad |
| 16:11.29 | prpplague | sorphin: something similiar to the tuxpad |
| 16:11.44 | sorphin | prpplague: ah |
| 16:12.30 | prpplague | http://www.iptel-now.de/HOWTO/TUXPAD/tuxpad.html |
| 16:12.30 | CosmicPenguin | Is this what I think it is? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3402593215&category=11188 |
| 16:12.59 | prpplague | yep |
| 16:15.02 | legodude_ | hrm |
| 16:15.34 | legodude_ | gah |
| 16:15.39 | legodude_ | still expensive as balls |
| 16:18.04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you want an inhand elf? |
| 16:18.12 | CosmicPenguin | ? |
| 16:18.34 | CosmicPenguin | cause I am out of it today |
| 16:19.11 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: http://www.inhandelectronics.com/html/elf.html |
| 16:34.43 | prpplague | wonderful....a complete contradiction in ideas, "management will determine when security/bug fixes need to moved into place" |
| 16:35.13 | sorphin | prpplague: just found out i'm not being layed off.. ah well, maybe next time |
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| 16:35.35 | sorphin | speaking of contradictions |
| 16:35.39 | sorphin | sjhill: lo mipswhore |
| 16:35.41 | legodude_ | sorphin: is not being layed off good or bad? |
| 16:35.48 | sorphin | legodude_: heh |
| 16:35.55 | sjhill | howdy sorphin |
| 16:35.59 | sorphin | legodude_: reread exactly hwat i said and ask again |
| 16:36.25 | sorphin | legodude_: specifically the "oh well, maybe next time" :P |
| 16:38.15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: that elf unit is just sitting around |
| 16:38.44 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: what can it do? |
| 16:39.16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: its basically a tuxscreen just in a pda formfactor |
| 17:32.27 | chouimat | afternoon |
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| 17:53.52 | legodude | who wrote wpflash? |
| 17:53.54 | legodude | anyone here? |
| 17:54.03 | prpplague | no |
| 18:00.13 | TomW | chouimat: I have the buildroot-webpal posted on public cvs now. |
| 18:00.36 | kergoth | TomW: great |
| 18:01.10 | legodude | where is it? |
| 18:01.11 | TomW | for the howto: http://openhardware.net/webpal/ |
| 18:01.22 | legodude | very cool |
| 18:01.32 | TomW | for the cvs: http://cvs.cyberiansoftware.com |
| 18:01.54 | TomW | I am just trying out the rom-image.bin now to make sure that a build from cvs is ok. |
| 18:02.19 | legodude | IE does not like the first page |
| 18:03.17 | legodude | loads fine in phoenix though |
| 18:03.57 | TomW | screw IE |
| 18:04.09 | TomW | mozilla loves it, that is all that matters. |
| 18:04.57 | TomW | legodude: try it as: http://openhardware.net/webpal/index.html |
| 18:05.57 | legodude | nada |
| 18:05.57 | prpplague | TomW: thats the spirit |
| 18:07.59 | TomW | ok, the binary works. The NE2000 NIC and IDE works ok. |
| 18:09.50 | TomW | legodude: hmmm, lynx has a problem with it, so I guess I will have to fix it. :( |
| 18:10.40 | legodude | ya |
| 18:10.47 | legodude | usually if IE has problems there is something major wrong |
| 18:10.53 | legodude | at least in my experience |
| 18:11.59 | prpplague | legodude: like the OS its running under sucks? |
| 18:12.15 | legodude | hey now, XP is pretty damn nice |
| 18:12.22 | prpplague | legodude: eww |
| 18:12.25 | legodude | and you can run IE on Solaris and HPUX |
| 18:12.30 | legodude | or MaxOS X |
| 18:12.35 | legodude | MacOS |
| 18:12.50 | prpplague | legodude: imho Xtra Poop is the worst |
| 18:13.06 | legodude | I pretty much love it |
| 18:13.09 | legodude | stable as hell |
| 18:13.13 | legodude | stuff just works |
| 18:13.18 | legodude | less hassle than linux even |
| 18:13.19 | chouimat | hi prpplague |
| 18:13.27 | legodude | wow |
| 18:13.48 | prpplague | chouimat: lo |
| 18:14.07 | chouimat | prpplague: same here , except I keep a windows in vmware just in case ... |
| 18:14.38 | chouimat | and on a very old computer in the closet ... |
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| 18:14.56 | TomW | legodude: try it now |
| 18:15.08 | legodude | nada |
| 18:15.17 | legodude | there we go |
| 18:15.24 | legodude | it was cache version from before |
| 18:15.25 | legodude | works now |
| 18:15.30 | TomW | k |
| 18:15.38 | prpplague | chouimat: when i went and bought my last digital camera, the goober behind the counter tried to give me a free copy of XP |
| 18:15.49 | TomW | I stripped out some META statements from the HEADing. |
| 18:16.01 | legodude | ah |
| 18:16.28 | prpplague | chouimat: i just smiled, opened the box, broke the cd, ripped the license in half, put it back in the box, and asked the guy to throw it in the trash |
| 18:16.28 | chouimat | TomW: nice site, maybe you can add the webpal buildroot to openzaurus/openembedded builroot too, |
| 18:16.37 | prpplague | chouimat: should have seen the look on his face |
| 18:16.40 | chouimat | prpplague: hehe |
| 18:17.32 | TomW | legodude: the first paragraph under "installing an ARM toolchain" is just for you. |
| 18:17.51 | TomW | heh |
| 18:18.16 | legodude | haha |
| 18:18.17 | legodude | thanks |
| 18:18.18 | TomW | chouimat: mmm |
| 18:18.19 | chouimat | prpplague: I bought a Casio BE-300 last week (refurbished) but the twit forgot to remove the previous owner pin so since that brainless device need a windows computer with usb to do a simple thing like reset to the factory setting ... I just returned it ... |
| 18:18.21 | legodude | I thought about that |
| 18:19.10 | legodude | I have a couple linux machines now so it's not the problem it once was :P |
| 18:19.14 | TomW | ARGH! I need to take a road trip! Too much shit^H^H^Htuff going on lately. |
| 18:20.20 | TomW | heh |
| 18:20.33 | chouimat | TomW: sorry can't help you with that .... it's BO in my case |
| 18:20.33 | legodude | wpflash is driving me boink |
| 18:21.31 | TomW | legodude: send the simms to me, enclose 5 Green Stamps per and I'll do them for you. |
| 18:21.46 | legodude | so damn tempting |
| 18:22.07 | legodude | I wonder how much a hardware flash programmer is though |
| 18:22.23 | chouimat | hmmmm tempting tempting tempting |
| 18:22.29 | TomW | not bragging, but it is nice to just stick the simm in the device programmer and have it done in a minute. |
| 18:22.34 | legodude | ja |
| 18:22.41 | legodude | wpflash is just not working for me |
| 18:22.46 | legodude | gdb goes fine |
| 18:22.54 | legodude | then wpflash just hangs and does squat |
| 18:22.58 | TomW | legodude: mine was only USD$1100 |
| 18:23.04 | legodude | haha |
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| 18:23.56 | legodude | that's about 10x what I'm willing to pay :p |
| 18:24.23 | TomW | The buildroot-webpal is not too bad for those with 56K dialups. It only pulls 26 Meg off the net. |
| 18:24.46 | TomW | errr, once you get the 35 Meg toolchain that is. |
| 18:25.24 | legodude | TomW: what would your turnaround be to program em? |
| 18:25.31 | TomW | 1 day |
| 18:25.35 | legodude | hrm |
| 18:25.40 | TomW | US Mail |
| 18:25.55 | legodude | would I then be able to update the linux image myself with bootp? |
| 18:26.06 | TomW | otherwise, you pay for expedited method yourself (UPS Red, etc) |
| 18:26.25 | chouimat | hmmmm I wonders if there a way to use the parallel port and a laplink cable to program the webpal |
| 18:26.35 | legodude | me too chouimat |
| 18:26.36 | TomW | legodude: dunno, ask sorphin when he gets his SIMMs that I did for him. Should get them tomorrow? |
| 18:27.12 | chouimat | legodude: I found something to let gdb use the parallel port |
| 18:27.27 | TomW | legodude: MonMotha6 was building a programmer for it using the parallel port, ask him. |
| 18:27.44 | legodude | chouimat: but does the webpal support parallel? |
| 18:27.51 | prpplague | legodude: yes |
| 18:28.26 | prpplague | TomW: i've got a url at home for a device to let you plug into a pcmcia slot for flash devices |
| 18:28.35 | prpplague | TomW: haven't had time to read about it much |
| 18:28.37 | TomW | prpplague: you got the wpflash working? Want to try my binary and see if the bootp in it works okay? |
| 18:29.13 | prpplague | TomW: i'm at work, + this wife/hospital thing is takin all my time |
| 18:29.17 | TomW | k |
| 18:29.41 | chouimat | legodude: I don't think so |
| 18:29.42 | prpplague | TomW: i was planning to order a ton of webpals, but it's been a real bitch lately just get the basics done |
| 18:29.55 | prpplague | TomW: maybe this weekend |
| 18:31.30 | chouimat | legodude: http://sources.redhat.com/ml/gdb/2003-01/msg00048.html |
| 18:32.27 | chouimat | hmmmmmmm I need music .... |
| 18:32.29 | legodude | interesting chouimat |
| 18:32.45 | chouimat | legodude: version 0.5.0 is on the site btw |
| 18:33.15 | chouimat | legodude: which kind of music? |
| 18:33.54 | legodude | Michael Nyman is modern classical and Doves are rock type |
| 18:34.01 | legodude | dunno how to classify them exactly |
| 18:34.20 | legodude | the download link for the parallel port thing doesn't work for me |
| 18:34.38 | legodude | connection refused |
| 18:37.23 | chouimat | legodude: I'm searching the .5 version |
| 18:37.41 | legodude | does his site work for you? |
| 18:37.51 | chouimat | nope |
| 18:40.26 | legodude | does prog.srec support parallel port? |
| 18:40.31 | legodude | or only serial? |
| 18:41.54 | legodude | seems like whole damn netic.de is down |
| 18:42.13 | prpplague | legodude: there are a ton of stuff down apparently |
| 18:42.21 | legodude | in europe? |
| 18:42.27 | legodude | or interweb in general? |
| 18:42.35 | prpplague | legodude: i can't get to a bunch of the eastcoast and europe |
| 18:42.44 | legodude | ah' |
| 18:42.47 | legodude | wonder why |
| 18:43.47 | prpplague | legodude: saddam has used his stash of hacked playstation2's and is doing a massive DoS |
| 18:43.53 | legodude | haha |
| 18:44.25 | chouimat | ok my cat just decided that it's time for him to spend the rest of the afternoon on my lap |
| 18:44.39 | prpplague | legodude: you know that supposedly they caught a bunch of iraq CS ppl hacking ps2's to be used for guiding missles |
| 18:44.45 | chouimat | the joy of working at home |
| 18:46.27 | legodude | prpplague: ja, that was quite a while ago though |
| 18:46.46 | legodude | seems rather counter-productive to me, but enh, what do I know? |
| 18:47.06 | chouimat | legodude: I know I have the 0.5 some where but I can't remember on which hdd |
| 18:48.35 | sorphin | the whole dept i used to be in got axed |
| 18:49.17 | prpplague | legodude: ya well,guess the ps2's were easy to sneak in |
| 18:50.15 | legodude | prpplague: he's trying to import huge piping and whatnot for nukes and biochem, wouldn't some embedded boards be really easy? |
| 18:54.22 | legodude | stupid internet |
| 18:54.56 | prpplague | legodude: well, they've had a big eye out for that stuff lately |
| 18:55.24 | prpplague | legodude: not too many "government types" would think a game could be hacked |
| 18:55.38 | prpplague | legodude: after all "moding" is illegaly in the US |
| 18:55.59 | legodude | but a guy orders 500x dev boards in us |
| 18:56.06 | legodude | ships them to saudi arabia |
| 18:56.09 | legodude | then into iraq |
| 18:56.15 | legodude | that's like suitcase sized |
| 18:56.53 | prpplague | legodude: hmm, you know, that brings up a good point, seems like we could do more damage to saddam if we send some ppl over there armed with the DMCA |
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| 18:57.14 | prpplague | legodude: ya but the UN ppl are doing the customs inspections |
| 18:57.52 | legodude | prpplague: walk from iraqi neighbor country into iraq |
| 18:57.59 | legodude | whole boarder can't be so guarded |
| 18:58.06 | prpplague | legodude: agreed |
| 18:58.25 | mallum | kergoth: hey, usb networking works :-) |
| 18:59.03 | legodude | mallum: on what? |
| 18:59.44 | mallum | legodude: c700 |
| 18:59.47 | legodude | ah |
| 19:00.00 | prpplague | mallum: a sharp? |
| 19:00.18 | mallum | yep |
| 19:00.19 | kergoth | mallum: nice :) i never got around to confirming |
| 19:00.25 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:00.36 | prpplague | mallum: cool |
| 19:00.38 | mallum | kergoth: hehe, this is with the sharp rom of course |
| 19:01.08 | prpplague | mallum: what? thats evil |
| 19:01.13 | mallum | kergoth: I can ping yahoo from the shell, but the stupid browser thinks I havn't got a connection |
| 19:01.31 | mallum | prpplague: yeah I know ... I've only had it a day |
| 19:01.38 | kergoth | mallum: odd |
| 19:02.03 | mallum | prpplague: kergoth is going to mail me the reflash instructions for it, then Im gonna get X running on its shiny arse |
| 19:02.14 | prpplague | mallum: cool |
| 19:02.18 | prpplague | mallum: gpe? |
| 19:03.01 | mallum | prpplague: hmm, Im gonna try for a stripped down gnome/matchbox combo |
| 19:03.12 | prpplague | hmm |
| 19:03.13 | mallum | prpplague: there is enough screen space anyway |
| 19:03.33 | prpplague | mallum: gnome seems a little bulk for that |
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| 19:05.32 | mallum | prpplague: yeah Im not sure, I've just realised this only has 32Mb of ram - thats pretty dumb |
| 19:05.48 | kergoth | it shouldve been 64/64 |
| 19:06.01 | kergoth | i dunno waht to do with all this flash, 64mb is alot |
| 19:06.34 | mallum | hmm, maybe I reading it wrongly or its hiding some away |
| 19:07.37 | chouimat | legodude: ping |
| 19:08.26 | kergoth | mallum: what i meant was, it is 64mb flash 32mb ram, but sharp shouldve made it 64/64 |
| 19:08.38 | mallum | kergoth: yeah definetly .. sorry |
| 19:08.50 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:08.53 | mallum | kergoth: especially with such a big display |
| 19:09.14 | chouimat | legodude: http://ulyx.homeunix.org:12000/pppcb-0.5.0.tar.bz2 |
| 19:09.25 | kergoth | this unit would be godly if it had 64mb ram, a bigger battery, and a pxa255 |
| 19:09.27 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:09.28 | legodude | thanks chouimat |
| 19:09.51 | legodude | have you had time to play with it any? |
| 19:10.06 | chouimat | legodude: nothing ... just tell me when the download is finished |
| 19:10.09 | mallum | kergoth: indeed |
| 19:10.16 | chouimat | legodude: read the code and |
| 19:10.22 | legodude | done chouimat |
| 19:10.23 | chouimat | looked at how it work |
| 19:11.03 | kergoth | legodude: look at the sharp muramasa pc-mm1-h1w |
| 19:11.08 | kergoth | legodude: i'm drooling over that lately |
| 19:11.33 | chouimat | kergoth: I'm drooling over the Boxer tower :) |
| 19:12.04 | kergoth | legodude: 10", transmeta 866mhz, 2lbs, $1300 |
| 19:12.04 | legodude | wow |
| 19:12.06 | legodude | looks damn nice |
| 19:12.07 | legodude | wow |
| 19:12.09 | kergoth | yeah |
| 19:12.10 | legodude | amazing |
| 19:12.11 | kergoth | its amazing |
| 19:12.12 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:12.15 | kergoth | shop.conics.net |
| 19:12.18 | legodude | I have thinkpad 240 now |
| 19:12.19 | kergoth | will sell it to you outside of japan |
| 19:12.20 | legodude | 3lbs |
| 19:12.38 | legodude | whats batt life? |
| 19:12.49 | kergoth | 3.2hrs normal, you can buy a 9hour sharp battery fo rit |
| 19:12.50 | legodude | chouimat: what's that? |
| 19:12.50 | kergoth | for it |
| 19:12.54 | legodude | 9hours |
| 19:12.57 | legodude | that's what I need |
| 19:12.57 | kergoth | s/9hour/9 hour/ |
| 19:13.03 | chouimat | legodude: wait I will find the page |
| 19:13.10 | legodude | what about the lindows machine? |
| 19:13.14 | legodude | that looks pretty cool too |
| 19:13.17 | legodude | 3lbs though |
| 19:13.28 | chouimat | legodude: http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/products/boxer/ |
| 19:14.09 | legodude | why chouimat? |
| 19:14.18 | legodude | ain't that just more expensive and slower than x86? |
| 19:14.36 | chouimat | legodude: but it's less expensive than a mac :) |
| 19:14.42 | kergoth | I'd like an old powerpc box to play with powerpc assembly |
| 19:14.46 | kergoth | just for hackign purposes |
| 19:14.46 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:14.54 | kergoth | develop skillsets, not for real use |
| 19:14.58 | legodude | chouimat: I don't understand why you'd want that at all though |
| 19:15.29 | legodude | sun axi boards are also ATX, non-x86, slow and expensive :p |
| 19:15.54 | chouimat | legodude: I loved the powerpc assembly in school, and I want one |
| 19:15.56 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:17.09 | chouimat | kergoth: the more skills you have the better :) |
| 19:17.46 | legodude | ugh, extra battery is big and dorky for sharp |
| 19:18.01 | kergoth | legodude: ah it is? that sucks |
| 19:18.25 | kergoth | still, that unit is really really close to what i need |
| 19:18.38 | legodude | www.dynamism.com has pictures of it |
| 19:18.40 | kergoth | if it had built in BT and a better video card i'd be happier though |
| 19:18.50 | kergoth | its some noname video card, 8mb vram |
| 19:19.00 | legodude | problem is that my laptop is almost exactly what I want |
| 19:19.03 | kergoth | the sony vaio's are similar, and have ati mobility radaeons |
| 19:19.08 | kergoth | thats cool |
| 19:19.13 | legodude | a laptop would have to be a heck of a lot better for me to upgarde |
| 19:19.19 | kergoth | thinkpad 240, /me googles |
| 19:19.33 | fontenot | is sf cvs down again? |
| 19:19.44 | chouimat | kergoth: I can have a used thinkpad 760, but the CDROM is dead :( |
| 19:19.53 | legodude | mine is 300mhz, 192mb, 30gb |
| 19:19.56 | legodude | fantastic keyboard |
| 19:20.02 | legodude | no stupid windows keys or capslock |
| 19:20.03 | CosmicPenguin | This console issue is annoying |
| 19:20.06 | kergoth | I need a nice _portable_ laptop, not one of those luggables like hte dell inspiron |
| 19:20.08 | legodude | proper T arrows |
| 19:20.25 | legodude | ~3.3lbs with 4hour battery |
| 19:21.52 | kergoth | hmm |
| 19:22.03 | kergoth | that sharp is tempting, $1300 isnt bad |
| 19:22.19 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: anything dealing with the /dev/console is annoying... |
| 19:22.27 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: yeah... |
| 19:22.45 | kergoth | hm, speaking of console, i wonder if busybox chvt is still broken |
| 19:28.34 | mallum | kergoth: I gotta shoot out for the evening now .. please if you get a chance mail me over them instructions :-) |
| 19:28.48 | mallum | kergoth: I know your really busy ... I'll leave you alone after that |
| 19:28.49 | kergoth | mallum: will do, i'm fucking with the pcmcia madness now |
| 19:28.54 | mallum | kergoth: cool |
| 19:29.19 | mallum | kergoth: I got telnet / ftp up on the box now - so I can at least try a tinyX binary on it now and see what happens ;-) |
| 19:29.23 | kergoth | nice |
| 19:30.43 | mallum | kergoth: cool, thanks for your help btw - ttyl |
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| 19:36.32 | chouimat | If you're right 90 per cent of the time, why quibble about the remaining three per cent? |
| 19:41.23 | legodude | damn japanese and their cool toys |
| 19:41.30 | kergoth | ibm s30? hmm |
| 19:41.40 | kergoth | legodude: right, thats why ya gotta order from dynamism or conics :) |
| 19:42.22 | legodude | I don't think either of them ever had it |
| 19:42.25 | kergoth | ah, that sucks |
| 19:42.30 | legodude | conics had libretto cheap a while ago |
| 19:42.36 | legodude | I almost got one |
| 19:42.58 | GPSFan | TomW: hey tom, still around? |
| 19:43.00 | legodude | ooh they still have |
| 19:43.21 | TomW | yeah |
| 19:43.29 | TomW | GPSFan: what's up |
| 19:43.39 | prpplague | legodude: i've got one of the libretto 110's that i've gutted, i plan to stick a strongarm inside |
| 19:43.40 | kergoth | hmm, $1700-1800 for the libretto eh |
| 19:43.51 | GPSFan | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.15 | GPSFan | first is that the command 'cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.cyberiansoftware.com:/home/co buildroot-webpal' is missing the cvs after the /home |
| 19:44.30 | TomW | k |
| 19:44.32 | GPSFan | that's from your web page of instructions. |
| 19:44.46 | GPSFan | no real problem. |
| 19:44.50 | prpplague | kergoth: because you spend all your money at the nudie bar |
| 19:44.51 | TomW | oops |
| 19:44.57 | TomW | GPSFan: thanks |
| 19:45.25 | file | mmm |
| 19:45.25 | TomW | GPSFan: the other problem? |
| 19:45.52 | GPSFan | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:46.03 | file | if I switch my wireless NICs into adhoc mode I get much better performance |
| 19:46.26 | TomW | GPSFan: hmm, interesting, I just did a checkout an now doing a build. |
| 19:46.48 | TomW | GPSFan: it is building the kernel now. |
| 19:46.52 | GPSFan | oops, it's the .h that's missing. stuff before this point built ok. |
| 19:48.00 | TomW | GPSFan: I'll let you know in a few minutes, it is still running. |
| 19:48.29 | GPSFan | TomW: ok, I gotta run out for a bit, bbl. |
| 19:48.32 | kergoth | prpplague: hah, i wish.. nah, i spend it on .. a toshiba magnia firewall, and a xm boombox.. and.. hehe |
| 19:48.35 | TomW | GPSFan: kernel build went ok. |
| 19:48.52 | TomW | GPSFan: it is now into busybox. |
| 19:49.03 | legodude | chouimat: that parallel things needs external board? |
| 19:49.12 | kergoth | TomW: which buildroot did you base this one off of? |
| 19:49.23 | GPSFan | TomW: mine too, I have a webpal-kernel of 643916 |
| 19:49.41 | TomW | kergoth: an older buildroot-tux, the newer stuff I don't yet trust. |
| 19:49.59 | kergoth | TomW: k, just wondering what to diff -urNd this against to grab the webpal specifics |
| 19:50.01 | TomW | kergoth: from about a year ago. |
| 19:50.52 | TomW | kergoth: seems that all there is on the webpal is people shoving binaries at each other and little source code. |
| 19:51.01 | kergoth | hrmph |
| 19:53.13 | TomW | GPSFan: I have no 'font_acorn_8x8.h' anywhere in the kernel tree. |
| 19:55.26 | chouimat | legodude: seems |
| 19:55.58 | TomW | GPSFan: ok, I have a 'font_acorn_8x8.c' but it was not compiled into the kernel. |
| 19:56.38 | legodude | chouimat: there is another discussion from 2001 about adding parallel port support to gdb |
| 19:58.37 | GPSFan | TomW: well it wants it when building bootp. I think I never reubilt bootp before. just the kernel. |
| 19:58.38 | sorphin | holy scrolling batman |
| 19:59.12 | prpplague | kergoth: magnia? |
| 20:00.18 | legodude | anyone know where prog.srec source is? |
| 20:00.26 | legodude | am I just not seeing it on bigbrd's site? |
| 20:01.04 | TomW | GPSFan: do you have a build/bootp/font_acorn_8x8.c file? |
| 20:01.18 | prpplague | kergoth: ohh ya i've got a couple of those i ordered from tigerdirect |
| 20:01.32 | TomW | GPSFan: do you have a build/bootp-2.1/font_acorn_8x8.c file? |
| 20:01.53 | TomW | GPSFan: I forgot the version on the dir. |
| 20:02.09 | prpplague | kergoth: this thing right - http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?sku=T24-1550%20P |
| 20:02.14 | GPSFan | TomW: yes, in /usr/local/buildroot-webpal/build/bootp-2.1 |
| 20:02.51 | TomW | And a 'make bootp' fails? |
| 20:02.56 | prpplague | kergoth: if that thing just had a serial port it would rock |
| 20:04.24 | prpplague | kergoth: if you could yank the modem and connect a csu/dsu, it'd make a great frad |
| 20:04.46 | TomW | GPSFan: I am using the arm-linux-gcc 2.95.3 toolset from arm.uk.linux.org |
| 20:05.03 | GPSFan | font_acorn_8x8.c:5: video/font.h: no such file or directory |
| 20:05.43 | GPSFan | TomW: where is it looking for that file, in the toolchain stuff or the buildroot stuff? |
| 20:06.59 | TomW | ? I have no clue, I have no subdir named video in my bootp dir. there is one under build/linux/drivers/ |
| 20:07.30 | TomW | GPSFan: go into the build/bootp-2.1 and do a grep "video/font.h" |
| 20:07.36 | sorphin | bootp makes fine here |
| 20:08.11 | TomW | sorphin: is that from the buildroot-webpal? |
| 20:08.21 | sorphin | no |
| 20:08.31 | GPSFan | TomW: the include /video/font.h is in font_acorn_8x8.c |
| 20:08.34 | TomW | sorphin: shaddup |
| 20:08.42 | TomW | ~lart sorphin |
| 20:08.44 | sorphin | TomW: um.. sorry |
| 20:08.55 | TomW | heh |
| 20:09.26 | TomW | AHHH |
| 20:09.41 | sorphin | we had a layoffs today, so i'm a bit busy cleaning up after that |
| 20:09.56 | sorphin | and just saw the mentions of bootp failing |
| 20:10.00 | GPSFan | sorphin: no it just looks like I don't have the font.h in the right place. |
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| 20:10.06 | GPSFan | bbl |
| 20:10.18 | sorphin | GPSFan: blame tomw then, he's the one that build the buildroot :P |
| 20:10.59 | TomW | GPSFan: k, I got to go, look at the make file: CFLAGS += -I$(LINUX)/include -fPIC -D__KERNEL__ |
| 20:12.22 | TomW | sorphin: get those simms yet? |
| 20:12.42 | file | SIMMs? did I hear SIMMs? |
| 20:12.50 | TomW | ~lart file |
| 20:12.59 | chouimat | hehe |
| 20:16.24 | file | what's up? |
| 20:17.12 | kergoth | prpplague: yes, i was bitching about it not having serial |
| 20:17.23 | kergoth | prpplague: network is the only access method, if it goes down, you're fucked |
| 20:18.20 | TomW | GPSFan: in the bootp Makefile, change references from $(LINUX) to $(BUILD_DIR)/$(LINUX) |
| 20:18.43 | kergoth | prpplague: course a miniPCI serial card would work, that modem is miniPCI |
| 20:18.44 | TomW | sorphin: GPSFan doesn't have a linux kernel source in /usr/src/linux |
| 20:18.46 | kergoth | prpplague: :) |
| 20:19.08 | kergoth | prpplague: i'm using it as my linux router/firewall at home, needed something other than my crap linksys |
| 20:22.05 | prpplague | kergoth: cool |
| 20:22.14 | prpplague | kergoth: you looked at yanking the modem |
| 20:23.03 | file | not again... |
| 20:24.37 | kergoth | prpplague: yep, opened it up. there are plugs for keyboard and mouse too, just backpanel blocks it |
| 20:25.27 | prpplague | kergoth: hmm, sounds fun |
| 20:25.56 | prpplague | kergoth: if i didn't have a lack of motivation i'd order one |
| 20:26.03 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:26.11 | kergoth | i know that problem well |
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| 20:35.03 | GPSFan | TomW: I do have kernel sources in /usr/src/linux, but font.h isn't anywhere to be found. I guess it isn't needed to build the kernel. |
| 20:36.04 | TomW | yeah, grab the bootp source off the site and replace the sources/dl/bootp-2.1.tar.bz2 with that one and see if it works ok now. |
| 20:36.56 | TomW | The problem is that I needed a $(BUILD_DIR) reference in front of the $(LINUX) references withing the bootp Makefile. |
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| 20:44.29 | GPSFan | TomW: off your site? I can't find it in your cvs for buildroot-webpal. |
| 20:45.03 | TomW | GPSFan: you may have a distro kernel source (like Mandrake) and they may have cleaned up the sources by removing other archetuctures. I use a kernel from ftp.kernel.org. |
| 20:45.34 | TomW | GPSFan: it is not in the cvs, it is a wget from the make/bootp |
| 20:45.52 | GPSFan | ah. |
| 20:46.21 | TomW | http://tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/Users/TimRiker |
| 20:46.28 | TomW | wrong. |
| 20:46.42 | TomW | http://www.openhardware.net/webpal/files/bootp-2.1.tar.bz2 |
| 20:46.46 | TomW | that one. |
| 20:46.50 | TomW | sheesh |
| 20:47.04 | TomW | I cut & paste too quickly |
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| 20:47.35 | TomW | GPSFan: grab that file and put it in sources/dl |
| 20:49.44 | TimRiker | TomW: you starting a webpal buildroot? wanna use elinux cvs for that? |
| 20:49.57 | TomW | TimRiker: we could |
| 20:50.05 | TomW | less hassle for me |
| 20:50.30 | TomW | TimRiker: I still have privs over there shall I create a new module? |
| 20:51.26 | TimRiker | what's your SF nick? |
| 20:52.30 | TimRiker | ahh tomwalsh... /me adds to elinux project... |
| 20:53.13 | TomW | tomwalsh |
| 20:53.24 | TomW | I just logged in via ssh |
| 20:53.52 | TimRiker | added. |
| 20:54.05 | TomW | elinux.sourceforge.net? |
| 20:54.39 | TomW | cool, I'm in |
| 20:56.00 | GPSFan | I got the one from your site, removed the old bootp-2.1 directory and did a make again, same error looking for font.h, the font_acorn_8x8.c file still has an include for font.h. so I edited it out, and bootp made just fine. |
| 20:56.03 | TomW | TimRiker: add it to the elinux, or tuxscreen cvs? |
| 20:56.37 | GPSFan | TomW: rest of the stuff is building now. |
| 20:56.54 | TomW | GPSFan: what version of ARM cross are you using? |
| 20:57.17 | GPSFan | 2.95.4 |
| 20:57.36 | TomW | ah, where did you find that? arm.uk.linux.org? |
| 20:58.08 | file | Warning: Battery power at 8%... I'll fade away! |
| 20:59.01 | TomW | GPSFan: I only see 2.95.3 on the uk site. |
| 20:59.29 | TimRiker | TomW: elinux. |
| 20:59.33 | TomW | k |
| 21:00.08 | prpplague | these frekin IE only site are killing me |
| 21:00.12 | GPSFan | Long time ago, when I was trying to get a good cross toolchain I must have downloaded 5. all sucked. finally jacques pointed me to one he had put together. it worked like a charm. I've built many tux kernels, the webpal kernel and a bunck of apps. |
| 21:00.28 | TimRiker | and holler if there are more folks to add to the project. andersee or I can add them. If you find a bunch I'll likely just op you too. ;-) |
| 21:00.54 | kergoth | the erikm 2.95.3 cross toolchain on ftp.arm.linux.org.uk works excellently |
| 21:01.12 | GPSFan | TomW: build is done, ended with a warning about clok skew detected. but it looks like it finished. |
| 21:03.29 | kergoth | TimRiker: the code for the OE buildsystem we discussed is underway |
| 21:03.54 | TimRiker | kergoth: sweet! |
| 21:04.13 | kergoth | openembedded.bkbits.net, i'll fire up a cronjob to build regular snapshots |
| 21:04.23 | kergoth | schurig started the work, basing large chunks of it on portage |
| 21:06.36 | chouimat|reading | kergoth: ok that sound good |
| 21:07.11 | kergoth | TimRiker: check out the current wiki, lots of implementation details have been hashed out |
| 21:07.19 | kergoth | TimRiker: your opinions would be valuable |
| 21:09.12 | prpplague | anyone using opera? |
| 21:09.18 | file | nope |
| 21:09.26 | TomW | TimRiker: :pserver:tomwalsh@elinux.sourceforge.net:2401/cvsroot/elinux correct? |
| 21:09.54 | TomW | TimRiker: when I attempt a login, it hangs. |
| 21:11.46 | sorphin | prpplague: buy what? |
| 21:12.41 | kergoth | TimRiker: use ext, not pserver |
| 21:12.42 | kergoth | er |
| 21:12.45 | kergoth | s/timriker/tomw/ |
| 21:12.54 | TomW | k |
| 21:12.55 | kergoth | imho anyway, i hate pserver |
| 21:12.57 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:13.06 | kergoth | ditch the :2401 if you use ext, dont need it |
| 21:14.01 | TomW | kergoth: no, won't take ext, errors out |
| 21:14.14 | TomW | ditching |
| 21:14.34 | kergoth | it'll then use ssh |
| 21:14.51 | kergoth | may have to export CVS_RSH=ssh (iirc), otherwise it could default to rsh (stupid thing) |
| 21:15.09 | kergoth | grr, damn c700 hates me |
| 21:15.18 | prpplague | sorphin: ie emulation |
| 21:15.20 | kergoth | why, oh why, does my pcmcia not register with ide |
| 21:15.27 | sorphin | prpplague: ah |
| 21:22.57 | TomW | I give up |
| 21:23.30 | legodude | anyone know of an easy way to send arbitrary data to arbitrary ip/port? |
| 21:23.47 | kergoth | legodude: netcat? :) |
| 21:23.51 | TomW | nmap |
| 21:23.52 | TomW | ? |
| 21:23.57 | TomW | heh |
| 21:24.04 | legodude | netcat looked borked last time I looked at it |
| 21:24.10 | kergoth | works just fine for me |
| 21:24.10 | legodude | I'll check out nmap |
| 21:24.13 | kergoth | socat works great as well |
| 21:24.19 | kergoth | its like netcat but more powerful |
| 21:24.28 | legodude | I'll try socat |
| 21:24.31 | kergoth | nmap is primarily a port scanner and OS identification tool |
| 21:24.35 | kergoth | doubt it'll help ya here |
| 21:25.23 | kergoth | ~fishslap TomW |
| 21:25.24 | | ACTION slaps TomW up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 21:25.26 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:25.55 | TomW | I got people to do and places to see, later |
| 21:26.39 | prpplague | legodude: nc works great |
| 21:26.49 | prpplague | legodude: although i actually prefer the nc in bb |
| 21:27.29 | TimRiker | SF cvs is by ssh so it's :ext:tomwalsh@elinux.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/elinux |
| 21:28.13 | legodude | prpplague: just realized my slack came with nc so I'll use that for now |
| 21:28.24 | TimRiker | kergoth: since ssh can fall back to rsh, I just have rsh symlinked to ssh. |
| 21:30.25 | kergoth | fine then, do it the easy way ;) |
| 21:31.42 | CosmicPenguin | don't do a rm -rf build/stage unless you are prepared to rebuild the entire tree... :* |
| 21:31.44 | CosmicPenguin | :( |
| 21:31.45 | prpplague | hmmm, i wonder why opera is linked with libXm.so.2 for redhat when redhat ships with libXm.so.3 |
| 21:38.53 | CosmicPenguin | buh-bye AT&T Broadband, hello Comcast |
| 21:39.14 | prpplague | ssdn |
| 21:39.59 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: a cow pie by any other name? |
| 21:40.05 | sorphin | prpplague: pretty much |
| 21:40.10 | CosmicPenguin | Yep |
| 21:40.16 | CosmicPenguin | New domain name I guess |
| 21:59.05 | chouimat|reading | weatherbot: weather cyqb |
| 21:59.06 | weatherbot | Current conditions at Quebec, Que, Canada: It is -4 C (24 F), windspeed is 14.48 km/h, and visibility is 32.19 km. (Information current as of 2003.02.28 2100 UTC). |
| 22:00.12 | sorphin | weatherbot: weather kstl |
| 22:00.19 | weatherbot | Current conditions at St. Louis, Lambert-St. Louis International Airport, MO, United States: It is 1 C (34 F), windspeed is 8.05 km/h, and visibility is 16.09 km. (Information current as of 2003.02.28 2053 UTC). |
| 22:05.49 | CosmicPenguin | 3538944 Feb 28 15:07 tuxscreen-image.jffs2 |
| 22:05.56 | CosmicPenguin | Thats with Pixil, baby! |
| 22:06.35 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: coo |
| 22:06.44 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: pixil open source yet? |
| 22:06.56 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: working on it.. :) |
| 22:07.02 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:07.14 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: you'll be the fourth to know, behind prpplague, Morn and sorphin.. :) |
| 22:07.29 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: after all, we've gotta get it integrated into OZ and OE |
| 22:07.51 | kergoth | indeed |
| 22:08.39 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: well, the tux has jtag |
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| 22:27.45 | legodude | what is pixil? |
| 22:27.51 | legodude | custom os + windowing system? |
| 22:28.19 | CosmicPenguin | nope - Qtopia competitor |
| 22:28.22 | CosmicPenguin | based on Microwindows |
| 22:29.09 | legodude | o |
| 22:29.13 | legodude | runs on linux them? |
| 22:29.14 | legodude | then |
| 22:29.21 | CosmicPenguin | yep |
| 22:29.31 | legodude | it's a gpled project? |
| 22:29.38 | CosmicPenguin | not yet |
| 22:29.41 | CosmicPenguin | but it will be |
| 22:30.11 | legodude | what's microwindow's license? |
| 22:30.16 | CosmicPenguin | MPL |
| 22:31.08 | legodude | ah |
| 22:33.06 | legodude | anythign nifty in it? |
| 22:37.33 | CosmicPenguin | depends on your defintion of nifty |
| 22:37.48 | CosmicPenguin | grr... why are my C apps pulling in libgcc_s? |
| 22:58.49 | CosmicPenguin | uclibc: 70052 Feb 28 15:40 pixilwm |
| 22:58.59 | CosmicPenguin | glibc: 62364 Feb 28 15:24 /user/projects/pixil/distro/bin/pixilwm |
| 22:59.10 | CosmicPenguin | Sometin' is fishy here |
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