| 00:01.13 | psypete | also check if you've got hw accelerated video working |
| 00:01.15 | psypete | and your CPU |
| 00:01.35 | sorphin | umm |
| 00:01.50 | sorphin | yes hw accel video is working, and what about my cpu :P |
| 00:02.49 | psypete | how fast iz it |
| 00:03.18 | sorphin | uhh :P |
| 00:03.23 | sorphin | a 1ghz athlon? :P |
| 00:04.38 | Russ|werk | sorphin: see if it looks broken |
| 00:05.04 | sorphin | heh |
| 00:05.14 | sorphin | there's nothing wrong w/ the damn machine :P |
| 00:05.42 | sorphin | because as i've said *twice* vlc plays just fine, and things are fine under win2k too ;p |
| 00:10.11 | CosmicPenguin | ogle doesn't do as good a job of handling the DeCSS |
| 00:13.24 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: just needed something to mess w/ the menus w/ |
| 00:15.13 | psypete | DeCSS is not a hard algorithm :) |
| 00:16.46 | sorphin | anyhoo |
| 00:22.50 | psypete | tried mplayer, xine, etc? |
| 00:24.45 | sorphin | like i said, i was only using it to mess w/ the menus, not permanent |
| 00:24.52 | psypete | ah |
| 00:25.39 | Russ|werk | xine and ogle work for me with menus |
| 00:25.48 | Russ|werk | (latest sid and marrilat stuff) |
| 00:27.18 | psypete | which dvds? |
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| 00:30.36 | Russ|werk | any I've tried |
| 00:31.02 | psypete | cool |
| 00:31.19 | Russ|werk | I take it you don't have debian then |
| 00:33.32 | Russ|werk | andersee: any hints on the resume? |
| 00:36.29 | psypete | yeah, just stinky ol gentoo |
| 00:36.51 | Russ|werk | probably some mis-used optimization |
| 00:43.01 | andersee | Russ|werk: just took a look. If that doesn't get you a job, nothing will. :) |
| 00:44.03 | Russ|werk | ok, now I just need to work on a cover letter |
| 00:44.39 | andersee | Russ|werk: feel free to add me as a reference if you want to |
| 00:44.51 | Russ|werk | thanks |
| 00:45.05 | Russ|werk | I don't have a reference list hammered out yet, don't know if they'll ask |
| 00:45.19 | Russ|werk | since the company I'm applying for, I was refered to them |
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| 02:57.43 | file | MonMotha? |
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| 03:18.58 | sorphin | GPSFan: evening ken |
| 03:19.29 | sorphin | kergoth: re |
| 03:19.52 | kergoth | hey |
| 03:19.53 | kergoth | whats goin on |
| 03:20.50 | sorphin | just eating dinner |
| 03:21.00 | kergoth | cool cool, same. frozen pizza baby |
| 03:21.03 | kergoth | too lazy to cook |
| 03:21.51 | sorphin | hehe |
| 03:22.01 | sorphin | that's how i used to live, frozen pizza and ramen |
| 03:23.04 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:23.17 | kergoth | yea, me too. I've gotten better lately, but when I run out of time, I fallback |
| 03:23.18 | kergoth | ;) |
| 03:28.45 | GPSFan | hi dan |
| 03:29.12 | MonMotha | file? |
| 03:29.22 | sorphin | GPSFan: sup ? |
| 03:29.30 | kergoth | hey MonMotha, GPSFan |
| 03:30.39 | MonMotha | bin only modules suck, don't they |
| 03:31.00 | kergoth | indeed they do |
| 03:31.08 | kergoth | fucking SD |
| 03:31.33 | MonMotha | ah yes, SD sucks |
| 03:31.46 | MonMotha | closed spec, expensive cards |
| 03:32.16 | MonMotha | besides, you can't use them in my ipaq, my digital camera, and those handy little IDE adapters that CF cards have :) |
| 03:32.37 | kergoth | I'm wondering how much I can disassemble this module to replace bits of its code without being in danger due to the dmca |
| 03:33.36 | MonMotha | kergoth: IANAL, but as long as you don't allow the final product to circumvent the access controls, or tell anyone how to do so (by providing such documentation about your rev engineering adventures), you might be OK |
| 03:33.53 | kergoth | yeah, thats what I'm hoping for |
| 03:34.01 | MonMotha | IIRC, the DMCA actually specifically allows reverse engineering for compatibility, but the problems so far have been the "circumvention device" thing |
| 03:34.22 | MonMotha | also, I believe it only says trafficking a circumvention device, not the creation or use |
| 03:34.22 | kergoth | yeah, it does allow it for compatibility. I hate pushing my luck ;) |
| 03:34.30 | kergoth | I need to reread it |
| 03:34.41 | GPSFan | sorphin: not much... |
| 03:34.56 | MonMotha | if I read that right (which I probably didn't), that means you can circumvent access controls as long as you don't tell anyone else how to do it or provide them with the means to do so |
| 03:34.59 | MonMotha | as I said, IANAL |
| 03:35.29 | kergoth | k |
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| 03:53.40 | sorphin | mattsmith: no. *grin* |
| 03:59.01 | mattsmith | no what... am I that annoying? |
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| 04:08.02 | mattsmith | ok.. now I've got to add a package to the tuxscreen.. any advice? |
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| 04:44.53 | russ_ | TimRiker: you around? |
| 04:59.41 | russ_ | guess not |
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| 05:20.20 | russ_ | hey prpplague |
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| 05:48.22 | sorphin | cpenguin_home: evening jc |
| 05:49.01 | cpenguin_home | sorphin: hey |
| 05:49.25 | sorphin | don't forget you were gonna put that vid up for critiquing *grin* |
| 05:50.08 | cpenguin_home | sorphin: I'll have to delay that... |
| 05:51.12 | sorphin | k |
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| 11:24.01 | TomW | morning all |
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| 15:27.11 | sorphin | prpplague: attack of the plague |
| 15:28.13 | TomW | ? |
| 15:28.39 | TomW | sorphin: you have pnemonic plague? |
| 15:28.51 | sorphin | no, 2 of dave, till that other one timed out :P |
| 15:29.19 | TomW | oh, :) |
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| 15:37.04 | sieve | morning all |
| 15:37.16 | SmithMatt | mornin' |
| 16:35.25 | CosmicPenguin | morning |
| 16:40.20 | sorphin | morning cp |
| 16:49.29 | CosmicPenguin | Ok, so what is up with the big@boss.com mails? Is that a new worm that I missed hearing about? |
| 16:54.51 | sorphin | no idea |
| 16:58.47 | SmithMatt | I've gotten a few... .PIF attachments, right? |
| 17:00.23 | CosmicPenguin | yeah |
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| 17:13.11 | kergoth | morning |
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| 18:34.32 | sorphin | GPSFan: re |
| 18:38.59 | GPSFan | howdy, I still wonder at why my irc client disconnects after a while when there is no traffic. |
| 18:41.02 | CosmicPenguin | GPSFan: what client do you use? |
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| 18:51.19 | sorphin | that'd be why |
| 18:51.52 | sorphin | it's all the fault of that purple plague guy |
| 18:51.55 | sorphin | prpplague: oh hi ;) |
| 18:52.25 | prpplague | sorphin: what are you blame'n on me now? |
| 18:52.35 | sorphin | prpplague: everything, naturally |
| 18:52.45 | prpplague | cool |
| 18:53.25 | prpplague | sorphin: my favorite is getting blamed for the destruction of the dinosaurs |
| 18:54.02 | sorphin | prpplague: nah, tomw's old enough to be blamed for that tho ;) |
| 18:54.25 | TomW | good eating too! |
| 18:54.46 | sorphin | TomW: afternoon gramps |
| 18:55.15 | TomW | lousy ride during rush hour though, they always seemed to end up fighting each other. |
| 18:55.24 | CosmicPenguin | mmm... bbq brontasaurus ribs |
| 18:56.06 | prpplague | anyone every see that episode of northern exposure about then cooking a mammonth they found in the ice? |
| 18:56.25 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: eww... freezer burn |
| 18:56.41 | TomW | prpplague: is that some "reality" show or something? |
| 18:57.07 | TomW | prpplague: as in "marry Joe millionaire"? |
| 18:57.08 | prpplague | TomW: an old sit come about living in alaska |
| 18:57.39 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: did you not live in the US during the late 80's early 90's? |
| 18:57.50 | TomW | heh |
| 18:58.14 | CosmicPenguin | Not that the shows were the same, but the social impact |
| 18:58.29 | TomW | I was working... for corporations back then, not much leisure time then. |
| 18:59.29 | TomW | I had some customer call today to tell me that they no longer can see any data in thier Delphi app running under Win2k. Anyone want to take a guess as to what I told them? :D |
| 18:59.51 | TomW | thier database appears to be empty... |
| 19:08.56 | prpplague | oh no, not the evil corps |
| 19:08.57 | prpplague | between me and my son, we have turned the house into a disaster zone |
| 19:09.18 | sorphin | Russ: because they're stupid ? |
| 19:10.22 | prpplague | Russ|werk: why is someone asking a windows ce question? |
| 19:10.35 | Russ|werk | at least its arm |
| 19:10.49 | prpplague | Russ|werk: agreed |
| 19:17.44 | ade|out | CosmicPenguin: are there more dvds of Northern Exposure ... region 2 only has the first series :( |
| 19:17.51 | ade|out | lo all btw |
| 19:19.11 | sorphin | ade|desk: lo |
| 19:23.08 | ade|desk | sorphin: ello, yet another day of network hell in ex.ac.uk :( |
| 19:23.28 | sorphin | ya |
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| 20:24.51 | legoude | anyone here know offhand if you can do uclib/arm/busybox devel in windows? |
| 20:26.07 | Russ|werk | theorectially, yes |
| 20:26.31 | Russ|werk | but you can also theoretically commute to work through sewers on your hands and kneews |
| 20:26.34 | Russ|werk | er, knees |
| 20:29.16 | CosmicPenguin | legoude: step 1 - get a working kernel |
| 20:29.21 | CosmicPenguin | s/kernel/toolchain/ |
| 20:29.33 | Russ|werk | step 1: check yourself into the asylum |
| 20:29.41 | CosmicPenguin | Actually, step .5 is poke your eyes out, so you can get used to the pain |
| 20:29.48 | Russ|werk | step 2: receive electroshock therapy |
| 20:29.54 | Russ|werk | step 3: install debian |
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| 20:30.46 | sorphin | andersee: afternoon |
| 20:30.55 | andersee | sorphin: afternoon |
| 20:30.59 | andersee | All going well? |
| 20:31.52 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: I'm not going to have time to look at that prolem report you sent till tonight. hope thats ok. Its my little girls 6th birthday so I'm kindof booked for the day. :) |
| 20:33.16 | Russ|werk | they tearing apart the basement? |
| 20:33.52 | legoude | hrm |
| 20:34.10 | legodude | maybe I'll try building on beos then |
| 20:34.17 | sorphin | andersee: eh.. patching up solaris on this box so i can do the app upgrade |
| 20:34.34 | Russ|werk | legodude: why not build on linux? |
| 20:38.12 | legodude | Russ|werk: linux machine is at home |
| 20:38.21 | legodude | and sshing to it blows donkey for some reason |
| 20:38.25 | legodude | real high latency |
| 20:38.28 | legodude | and it drops all the time |
| 20:38.41 | file | bah |
| 20:40.27 | Russ|werk | and you are at work where you only have windows and beOS? |
| 20:40.40 | legodude | at college |
| 20:40.44 | legodude | I have solaris too |
| 20:40.55 | legodude | and linux on rs6k |
| 20:41.02 | legodude | but that machine is slow as dirt |
| 20:42.43 | Russ|werk | It'd be much easier to add another drive or partition to whichever machine is fastest, and install linux there |
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| 20:43.13 | legodude | I'm going to do taht with Be machine |
| 20:43.21 | legodude | but I'm not gonna get another disk for 2weeks |
| 20:43.26 | legodude | so in the meantime... |
| 20:43.50 | rodapop | Hi. I'm looking to get linux running smoothly as a workstation on a 486. What are your opinions on using an older kernel such as 1.2.13? |
| 20:44.11 | legodude | ugh |
| 20:44.14 | legodude | use at least 2.2 |
| 20:44.31 | legodude | 2.2 ran fine for me on 486 |
| 20:44.37 | CosmicPenguin | legodude: for more fun, try building 1.2.13 on your windows box |
| 20:44.42 | rodapop | legodude: it is for a workstation. |
| 20:45.07 | rodapop | For typing, and emailing. |
| 20:45.11 | legodude | CosmicPenguin: didn't they build kernel with VC++ once? |
| 20:45.33 | legodude | haha |
| 20:45.34 | legodude | did they? |
| 20:45.37 | CosmicPenguin | If I don't hear it, it doesn't exist |
| 20:45.46 | legodude | I seem to recall reading something about it a couple years ago |
| 20:46.14 | CosmicPenguin | rodapop: 2.4 should even work great. Its the user apps you need to watch out for |
| 20:46.42 | legodude | kernel in itself doesn't have terribly high system requirements |
| 20:46.55 | legodude | it runs on wee things all the time |
| 20:49.34 | Russ|werk | rodapop: you can try using the iPAQ distro |
| 20:50.57 | rodapop | User apps are definitely the killers. I can work on that. I would like to make sure that my core components are all very high performance on 486 machines. With a kernel sans module support, would 2.4 be comparable to a circa 1992 kernel? |
| 20:51.39 | Russ|werk | don't worry so much about the kernel |
| 20:51.56 | Russ|werk | and the only time modules would really slow you down is depmod -a |
| 20:52.20 | sorphin | otherwise just insmod -f ;) |
| 20:53.13 | rodapop | I have read on the kansas city mailing list archives (1992) that the kernel would take 8 minutes to compile on a 386. |
| 20:53.37 | rodapop | I am looking for this standard of performance or better. |
| 20:55.12 | rodapop | See http://www.kclug.org/old_archives/linux-activists/1992/feb/2/0077.shtml for details. |
| 20:55.48 | sorphin | umm |
| 20:55.59 | sorphin | 1992 is 11 years ago :P |
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| 20:56.06 | sorphin | TimRiker: afternoon |
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| 20:57.10 | rodapop | Yes 1992 is 11 years ago ;D But I have many 486 machines that I refuse to throw away. I know of many who could benefit from an email/wordprocessing machine. |
| 20:58.07 | rodapop | I can benefit because it gives me satisfaction to not be funding bloatware, and I am intending on selling these machines as I do with my custom keyboards. |
| 20:58.19 | sorphin | heh |
| 20:58.40 | sorphin | rodapop: i'd suggest having SOME highspeed box around to do your compiling on ;) |
| 20:58.54 | rodapop | sorphin, I am currently working on a 600 Mhz computer. |
| 20:59.09 | rodapop | I also have a 350 Mhz K6-2. |
| 20:59.18 | sorphin | cuz 2.4 compiles slower than 2.2 for example, and it esp matters on cpu speed/memory |
| 20:59.41 | rodapop | I would like to hear your thoughts on the 2.0 series. |
| 21:01.08 | rodapop | The 2.0 series was the first series that I had the opportunity to be familiar with, though I did not ever compile it on or for a 486. |
| 21:02.05 | sorphin | umm |
| 21:02.45 | Russ|werk | rodapop: use your distro's kernel packaging system, and compile a kernel for your system on another box (2.4) |
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| 22:00.38 | MonMotha | this is pathetic |
| 22:00.58 | MonMotha | fairchild used two LARGE fedex packages to ship a 4 SOICs each |
| 22:01.19 | Russ|werk | they may find that they are less likely lost that way |
| 22:02.16 | MonMotha | could be |
| 22:02.18 | file | MonMotha: oh guess what |
| 22:02.56 | MonMotha | guess? |
| 22:03.08 | file | MonMotha: oh don't guess, I'll tell |
| 22:03.26 | file | MonMotha: PII 300MHz, with mobo that supports up to 1.4GHz for $35 USD ;) |
| 22:04.52 | CosmicPenguin | Thats a deal.. :) |
| 22:05.08 | file | yeah I need RAM though |
| 22:05.39 | file | brb - need to virus scan something |
| 22:05.50 | CosmicPenguin | file: I heard that ram is so cheap these days, they have it on the extra value menu at McDonalds... :) |
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| 22:05.59 | file | CosmicPenguin: :) |
| 22:06.51 | file | virus found and removed |
| 22:11.11 | file | CosmicPenguin: it's a nice little board |
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| 22:51.57 | Russ|werk | andersee: did I see your name in the gnome about box? |
| 22:54.26 | sorphin | Russ|werk: prolly, andersee is a whore, he gets around ;) |
| 22:56.21 | sorphin | codewhore that is |
| 23:00.54 | SmithMatt | It's been a whole day - can I ask more questions now? |
| 23:01.29 | sorphin | feel free, i'm going home soon so i won' see em :P |
| 23:03.12 | SmithMatt | I'd like to add a package to the tuxscreen image. wireless-tools specifically. What kinds of things are involved in turning its makefile into wireless-tools.mk and getting it into the image? |
| 23:03.41 | Russ|werk | reading the other .mk files |
| 23:03.43 | SmithMatt | I've tried to do it manually, but I can't seem to get the files added to /build/root to show up in the image once its on the tuxscreen |
| 23:17.51 | andersee | Russ|werk: dunno |
| 23:18.15 | andersee | Russ|werk: Back a few years ago I ported nethack to gnome |
| 23:18.31 | andersee | Russ|werk: Havn't done anything on gnome since |
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