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`00:01.41`	`kergoth`	`andersee: hey erik, how goes it`
`00:02.42`	`andersee`	`ok`
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`01:10.07`	`MonMotha`	`yes file?`
`01:10.55`	`file`	`MonMotha: do you accept Paypal?`
`01:13.16`	`MonMotha`	`file: don't even have an account`
`01:13.25`	`file`	`gah - money order then`
`01:15.28`	`file`	`MonMotha: oh well...`
`01:15.37`	`file`	`MonMotha: can you estimate shipping?`
`01:16.21`	`MonMotha`	`not until I package it up`
`01:16.30`	`file`	`gah`
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`01:20.41`	`file`	`MonMotha: must... have...`
`01:26.00`	`file`	`MonMotha: your passing up a chance for $$$ :)`
`01:32.05`	`MonMotha`	`file: how would you like it shipped?`
`01:32.16`	`file`	`MonMotha: inexpensive`
`01:32.18`	`MonMotha`	`USPS, UPS, or FedEx?`
`01:32.26`	`MonMotha`	`and where am I shipping to?`
`01:32.40`	`file`	`USPS Airmail, Canada`
`01:34.22`	`MonMotha`	`that's not trackable you know`
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`02:16.30`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: lo`
`02:16.38`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: lo`
`02:17.05`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: whats cookin tonight?`
`02:17.07`	`sorphin`	`sup`
`02:17.20`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: just got back from the hospital`
`02:17.24`	`sorphin`	`eh.. took a nap, just got up.. talking to the woman, pitch black is on tv atm`
`02:17.37`	`sorphin`	`ah.. dialysis probs ?`
`02:18.09`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: sorta, she has a bad infection thats spread to her lungs`
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`02:18.18`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: fun`
`02:18.23`	`sorphin`	`legodude: yo`
`02:18.53`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: no much fun, she might not make it to the end of the week`
`02:19.22`	`legodude`	`hey sorphin`
`02:20.29`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: i know`
`02:21.42`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: i'm guessing she was normal when you 2 1st hooked up, and then it all started years later ?`
`02:22.39`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: you ever met a normal woman?`
`02:22.51`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: lemme rephrase`
`02:23.04`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: no, she's been diabetic since she was 11`
`02:23.05`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: didn't have/didn't know she had all these probs`
`02:23.38`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: diabeties is a long term degenerative diasese`
`02:23.49`	`sorphin`	`my mom has it now`
`02:24.03`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: diabeties is the #5 medical condition that ppl comit suicide from`
`02:24.10`	`sorphin`	`found out last year`
`02:25.07`	`prpplague`	`gotta start making plans on takin care of my rugrat all by myself`
`02:25.29`	`sorphin`	`yeah`
`02:26.05`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: dunno if he could do anything at the nudie bar`
`02:26.39`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: lol`
`02:26.46`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: kids room`
`02:27.40`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: heh, where the strippers kids play ?`
`02:27.40`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: get me a 17 blonde swediss girl to help around the house`
`02:28.13`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: named inga ?`
`02:28.48`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: yaaaa`
`02:29.00`	`prpplague`	`TomW: lo`
`02:29.04`	`prpplague`	`TomW: you alive?`
`02:29.47`	`sorphin`	`he's almost 4 hours idle`
`02:31.19`	`prpplague`	`bummer`
`02:31.21`	`MonMotha`	`anyone know if Phillips offers free samples?`
`02:31.40`	`prpplague`	`MonMotha: i got 0 response from phillips`
`02:31.46`	`MonMotha`	`fun`
`02:32.00`	`MonMotha`	`I'm putting in another request to fairchild, gunna see how well they do`
`02:32.07`	`prpplague`	`MonMotha: cirrus/cyrstal and TI seem ok`
`02:32.07`	`MonMotha`	`their web itnerface is very clumsy to maxim`
`02:32.14`	`MonMotha`	`prpplague: where do you sign up at TI?`
`02:32.38`	`prpplague`	`MonMotha: on the main site, just click on samples and it'll let you sign up`
`02:33.03`	`prpplague`	`MonMotha: i've got 4 of the tsc2300 on the way`
`02:34.30`	`MonMotha`	`www.ti.com? or someplace else?`
`02:34.35`	`MonMotha`	`ti.com is mostly consumer stuff`
`02:35.08`	`prpplague`	`MonMotha: ohh hang on a sec`
`02:35.35`	`prpplague`	`MonMotha: http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/tsc2301.html`
`02:35.42`	`prpplague`	`MonMotha: thats the url for the tsc2301`
`02:35.53`	`prpplague`	`MonMotha: should be able to get somewhere from there`
`02:36.02`	`MonMotha`	`aha, neat`
`02:40.16`	`MonMotha`	`hello`
`02:40.45`	`MonMotha`	`prpplague: ah LQFPs...every hobbiest's nightmare...no where near as bad as BGAs though`
`02:40.56`	`prpplague`	`argh, they need a commercial for verizon's frame relay service "is your frame relay down? Yes! Good!"`
`02:41.02`	`MonMotha`	`or even worse, Maxim loves TINY packages...their chip scale thigns are really small`
`02:41.09`	`prpplague`	`MonMotha: got some really cool adapter pcb's`
`02:41.11`	`MonMotha`	`prpplague: hah!`
`02:41.29`	`MonMotha`	`prpplague: I've seen them for SOIC, and PLCC but not LQFP`
`02:41.34`	`MonMotha`	`let alone BGA of any kind`
`02:41.38`	`TomW`	`prpplague: yawn!`
`02:41.42`	`prpplague`	`TomW: hey`
`02:41.48`	`TomW`	`prpplague: hello`
`02:41.48`	`prpplague`	`TomW: pester time......`
`02:41.52`	`prpplague`	`TomW: quick question`
`02:41.56`	`TomW`	`prpplague: uhoh`
`02:42.04`	`prpplague`	`TomW: lcd signal traces`
`02:42.14`	`TomW`	`prpplague: k`
`02:42.57`	`prpplague`	`TomW: i'm working on a tuxscreen dev board similiar to yours, the odd pins are about 1/2 longer than the even pins`
`02:42.59`	`TomW`	`prpplague: nothing really critical about them, just keep them away from high current supply traces and other high speed signal lines.`
`02:43.05`	`prpplague`	`TomW: is that gonna be a problem?`
`02:43.52`	`file`	`goodnight everyone`
`02:44.00`	`prpplague`	`file: later`
`02:44.22`	`TomW`	`prpplague: no, no real props to worry about there, induced noise from other signals might be the only thing that would be a problem. Just make sure that the Power & GND traces are "beefy" (40mil or >)`
`02:45.12`	`prpplague`	`TomW: i said traces, i really using 24gauge wire`
`02:45.20`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`02:45.54`	`TomW`	`prpplague: certain types of logic are more susceptable to power supply noise (less supply noise immunity) than others, CMOS is notorious for being susceptable to supply noise.`
`02:46.54`	`prpplague`	`TomW: ahh`
`02:47.03`	`prpplague`	`TomW: i was kinda worried about the lengths`
`02:47.34`	`TomW`	`prpplague: just make the wiring "pretty". Don't lump / bundle the lcd signal times together (then they will tend to cross-talk), spread them out a little.`
`02:47.51`	`TomW`	`prpplague: why? How many feet of wire are you going to use?`
`02:47.53`	`TomW`	`heh`
`02:48.47`	`prpplague`	`TomW: like i said they were about 1/2" differences`
`02:49.02`	`prpplague`	`TomW: i did run them pretty close to each other though`
`02:49.03`	`TomW`	`prpplague: lcd signals are comparitively low frequency and the timings between the data & clock signals is fairly large.`
`02:49.17`	`prpplague`	`TomW: ok cool`
`02:49.36`	`prpplague`	`TomW: should be done tomorrow with the soldering and give it a try`
`02:50.17`	`TomW`	`I only really worry about stuff like address / data bus, the ethernet signal lines going to the RJ45 conn, hi speed stuff like that.`
`02:50.33`	`MonMotha`	`dammit, I think I signed up for TI's email newsletter thignie`
`02:50.59`	`TomW`	`MonMotha: uhoh, don't you get enough spam already? You wanted more?`
`02:51.06`	`TomW`	`MonMotha: :P`
`02:52.33`	`MonMotha`	`TomW: well, I missed the little check box`
`02:52.46`	`TomW`	`MonMotha: you need a "throw away" email account for use like that. Mine is currently "golly@openhardware.net", when it gets too much spam, I will kill that account and start using something like "whoopie@openhardware.net", or such. :D`
`02:53.24`	`TomW`	`MonMotha: when they ask for an email to send me tracking numbers, etc., I give 'em my throw away account.`
`02:54.46`	`sorphin`	`TomW: i use sneakemail.com`
`02:54.52`	`MonMotha`	`TomW: well, the email I'm currently using will go away in a year or so`
`02:55.07`	`TomW`	`hmm, maybe my next throw away will be "wanker@openhardware.net"?`
`02:55.30`	`TomW`	`see how many people get insulted at having to use that one. :P`
`02:56.08`	`prpplague`	`TomW: thanks for the info`
`02:56.27`	`TomW`	`prpplague: np, the bill is in the mail for the consult, heh.`
`02:56.38`	`prpplague`	`ibot: prpplague`
`02:56.40`		`it has been said that prpplague is mailto:dave123@abcsinc.com or Dave Anders`
`02:56.53`	`TomW`	`heh`
`02:57.02`	`TomW`	`prpplague: your "black hole"?`
`02:57.09`	`prpplague`	`?`
`02:57.22`	`TomW`	`for the unwanted / ignorable mail.`
`02:57.35`	`TomW`	`e.g. my bill`
`02:57.49`	`prpplague`	`TomW: i was serious`
`02:57.49`	`TomW`	`hmm`
`02:57.51`	`sorphin`	`TomW: sneakemail allows me to generate a throwaway email addie, i.e. just for a pw or whatever`
`02:57.53`	`TomW`	`ibot: tomw`
`02:57.55`		`i heard tomw is goofy`
`02:57.55`	`MonMotha`	`gotta love TI's site`
`02:57.57`	`sorphin`	`then delete it, and they're blackholed :P`
`02:58.00`	`TomW`	`hey!`
`02:58.10`	`TomW`	`ibot: tomw`
`02:58.13`		`[tomw] goofy`
`02:58.19`	`MonMotha`	`click on UARTs homepage, and you get analog`
`02:58.25`	`TomW`	`ibot: probably true...`
`02:58.27`		`i haven't a clue, TomW`
`02:58.40`	`sorphin`	`ibot: tomw is also an old geezer`
`02:58.42`		`sorphin: okay`
`02:58.46`	`sorphin`	`ibot: tomw`
`02:58.48`		`it has been said that tomw is goofy, or an old geezer`
`02:58.49`	`TomW`	`MonMotha: maybe they mean "modems"?`
`02:59.24`	`TomW`	`ibot: sorphin is also an eater of roadkill`
`02:59.26`		`okay, TomW`
`02:59.32`	`TomW`	`ibot: sorphin`
`02:59.33`		`sorphin is sorphin. an eater of roadkill`
`02:59.40`	`TomW`	`lol`
`02:59.45`	`MonMotha`	`TomW: It's TI, you'd think they'd know what a UART is`
`03:00.03`	`sorphin`	`ibot: forget sorphin`
`03:00.04`		`sorphin: i forgot sorphin`
`03:00.06`	`TomW`	`MonMotha: young engineers, perhaps they don't.`
`03:00.37`	`MonMotha`	`ah, their "interface" section is under analog`
`03:02.15`	`MonMotha`	`which I guess kinda makes sense in some situations`
`03:02.28`	`MonMotha`	`some digital busses do odd things with the line for control purposes`
`03:05.35`	`TomW`	`MonMotha: maybe they transferred some of the production of some digital logic over to their analog division, the UART being one of them?`
`03:05.49`	`MonMotha`	`mozilla needs better cookie jar management`
`03:06.01`	`TomW`	`agreed.`
`03:06.06`	`MonMotha`	`TomW: they have a separate digital logic division, but interface is under analog for some odd reason`
`03:06.18`	`MonMotha`	`I'm trying to get a sample and it just says "HTTP/1.1 Application Restarting"`
`03:06.33`	`MonMotha`	`I figure it's probably a cookie issue as most sites give really messed up errors when they're expecting a cookie`
`03:06.37`	`TomW`	`heh, does it say anything about ASP?`
`03:06.55`	`TomW`	`like, samples.asp`
`03:07.17`	`MonMotha`	`no`
`03:07.19`	`MonMotha`	`it's not even an ASP`
`03:07.27`	`MonMotha`	`actually I guess it is`
`03:07.31`	`MonMotha`	`the rest of tehir site is jsp tho`
`03:07.33`	`MonMotha`	`go figure`
`03:09.00`	`prpplague`	`TomW: if you ask anyone of the guys from the arm group that attended OLS last year, they'll testify that i show my appreciation`
`03:09.23`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: beeeeeeeeeeeer`
`03:09.29`	`TomW`	`prpplague: naw, I was just teasing you, forget about it.`
`03:09.59`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: ohhh ya baby`
`03:10.25`	`TomW`	`prpplague: ... on the other hand, a nights pass to Dave's English Pub, House of Women, and software shop would be cool!`
`03:10.27`	`TomW`	`heh`
`03:10.28`	`prpplague`	`TomW: seriously, i make seek some of your time later when i get closer to going public with the hackkit`
`03:10.36`	`prpplague`	`TomW: lol`
`03:10.48`	`prpplague`	`TomW: attend OLS and we can go to Fanny's`
`03:11.03`	`prpplague`	`TomW: i have a lifetime VIP pass`
`03:11.30`	`sorphin`	`Fanny's ?`
`03:11.51`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: let your imagination run`
`03:12.07`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: these days, that's not very far`
`03:13.14`	`TomW`	`sorphin: at your age? You should still be suffering unbridled fantasizum yet.`
`03:13.17`	`MonMotha`	`nope, thir site is just screwed up I guess`
`03:13.25`	`sorphin`	`TomW: did you forget my age ?`
`03:13.32`	`TomW`	`sorphin: ?`
`03:13.39`	`MonMotha`	`they have cookies out the wazoo and it's still not working`
`03:13.44`	`MonMotha`	`I think they now have like 11 cookies`
`03:14.10`	`sorphin`	`TomW: 28 in < 5 months`
`03:14.34`	`TomW`	`sorphin: trust me, at 49 things aren't that exciting anymore.`
`03:14.49`	`prpplague`	`ha, my son got to play in the snow for the first time today`
`03:14.59`	`prpplague`	`we got 1/8"`
`03:15.03`	`sorphin`	`TomW: i've went through more than most people that are almost 28 :P`
`03:15.17`	`TomW`	`now there is a man who is fortunate: having a young child.`
`03:15.29`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: and someday, he'll be old enough to take over the nudiebar and POS work ;)`
`03:15.37`	`TomW`	`LOL`
`03:15.45`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: just the nudie bar`
`03:16.03`	`TomW`	`dave will keep the English Pub...`
`03:16.35`	`prpplague`	`keep it? i'll be so pickled, i'd be a mummy on the end of the bar`
`03:16.52`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: you mean you're not already?`
`03:17.15`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: not yet, but if i make it to the end of the week i will be`
`03:17.52`	`MonMotha`	`yeah, looks like ti's site is horribly messed up`
`03:17.54`	`MonMotha`	`probably IE only`
`03:18.06`	`prpplague`	`MonMotha: having problems?`
`03:18.10`	`prpplague`	`MonMotha: i didn't`
`03:18.18`	`MonMotha`	`prpplague: mozilla?`
`03:18.24`	`prpplague`	`MonMotha: ya`
`03:18.35`	`MonMotha`	`going to the samples page just gets a "HTTP/1.1 Application Restarting" error`
`03:18.54`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`03:18.56`	`prpplague`	`i have java and flash installed 1.21 iirc`
`03:19.10`	`sorphin`	`yuck`
`03:19.33`	`MonMotha`	`does it use java or flash?`
`03:19.47`	`prpplague`	`iirc it requested java`
`03:20.00`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: the relatives have already started to call :(`
`03:20.14`	`MonMotha`	`hum...`
`03:20.17`	`MonMotha`	`I don't have java`
`03:20.25`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: lovely`
`03:20.59`	`MonMotha`	`it's not a cookie issue, ti has full cookie permissions`
`03:21.33`	`prpplague`	`MonMotha: what are you looking for?`
`03:22.10`	`MonMotha`	`TL16C550CN`
`03:22.18`	`MonMotha`	`need a UART or something for a project, and that looks good :)`
`03:22.19`	`prpplague`	`uart?`
`03:22.21`	`MonMotha`	`yep`
`03:22.22`	`prpplague`	`ahh`
`03:22.38`	`MonMotha`	`I'd really like a CDP6402, AY-5-1015, or D36402R-9`
`03:22.43`	`MonMotha`	`but I can't find anyone who has them`
`03:22.47`	`MonMotha`	`they're probably no longer made`
`03:22.53`	`MonMotha`	`even something LIKE it would be nice`
`03:22.57`	`prpplague`	`MonMotha: digikey or jameco?`
`03:23.07`	`MonMotha`	`I've tried digikey`
`03:23.11`	`MonMotha`	`I guess I can look at jameco`
`03:23.29`	`prpplague`	`jameco has lots of stuff that is no longer in production`
`03:24.28`	`TomW`	`MonMotha: you want the java 1.3 plugin for mozilla? I have it tar'ed here.`
`03:24.46`	`MonMotha`	`TomW: actually, I don't want it :)`
`03:24.54`	`MonMotha`	`I've avoided installing java and flash so far`
`03:24.56`	`MonMotha`	`no reason to start now`
`03:25.29`	`TomW`	`sometimes ya just gotta do what you gotta do.`
`03:25.37`	`sorphin`	`TomW: yeah, like not run it ;)`
`03:25.44`	`TomW`	`heh`
`03:26.19`	`sorphin`	`so if a page requires flash to even enter`
`03:26.22`	`sorphin`	`i skip em`
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`03:27.06`	`MonMotha`	`well, it totally borks links and lynx too`
`03:27.08`	`sorphin`	`Russ: make up your mind ;)`
`03:27.19`	`Russ`	`sorry`
`03:27.21`	`Russ`	`I was screwing with latest xchat cvs`
`03:27.24`	`MonMotha`	`does TI do samples by phone?`
`03:27.41`	`Russ`	`they keep dicking around with the server config`
`03:27.52`	`sorphin`	`Russ: ah`
`03:33.02`	`sorphin`	`who here's good at manipulating data sheets out of companies ?`
`03:34.22`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: morn is good at blackmail`
`03:37.26`	`sorphin`	`heh`
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`04:18.38`	`MonMotha`	`sorphin: I've found that if you call up companies and ask for dead tree copies of things like data sheets they're usually happy to send them, often free of charge`
`04:18.51`	`MonMotha`	`Intel for example will send dead-tree copies of their dev manuals, which are like books`
`04:18.57`	`sorphin`	`MonMotha: i dunno bout this`
`04:19.12`	`sorphin`	`MonMotha: it's the Atmel AT90SC Secure Micro`
`04:19.15`	`MonMotha`	`ah`
`04:19.21`	`MonMotha`	`yeah, they may be a bit hesitant`
`04:19.55`	`sorphin`	`unless you're ordering 10k of them, atmel won't even talk to you about em`
`04:20.00`	`MonMotha`	`though if it's truely "secure", they shouldn't be wary of sending their own ("company approved" nonetheless) specs`
`04:20.16`	`MonMotha`	`sorphin: really? I've found most places don't care how many you want if all you want is some paper`
`04:20.26`	`MonMotha`	`sorphin: do they not have a PDF online?`
`04:21.28`	`sorphin`	`MonMotha: a very very vague one`
`04:21.28`	`MonMotha`	`Personally I see such closed-ness as an indication that they're not entirely comfortable with how "secure" the thing is`
`04:21.31`	`sorphin`	`they want an NDA`
`04:21.38`	`MonMotha`	`hum...`
`04:21.58`	`MonMotha`	`sorphin: that would make me shy away from using them in a design...but then I'm somewhat intelligent, not a manager type`
`04:22.02`	`sorphin`	`which is find by me, i've broken nda's before in the tivo circle :P`
`04:22.05`	`prpplague`	`hmm, i need ms.november's datasheet......`
`04:22.10`	`MonMotha`	`security by obscurity never works`
`04:22.10`	`sorphin`	`s/find/fine/`
`04:22.19`	`sorphin`	`MonMotha: well, the TiVo uses that chip`
`04:22.25`	`sorphin`	`hence why i want the damn sheet`
`04:22.41`	`MonMotha`	`ah`
`04:22.52`	`MonMotha`	`sorphin: what you need from it?`
`04:23.02`	`sorphin`	`from the data sheet?`
`04:23.05`	`sorphin`	`anything :P`
`04:23.31`	`sorphin`	`all we've been doing is rev engineering tivo's crypto app (which doesn't do a whole lot)`
`04:23.35`	`sorphin`	`be nice to know more about the chip`
`04:25.44`	`MonMotha`	`trying to get at the code on the chip?`
`04:26.08`	`sorphin`	`well, that, and just understand the general what you can do w/ it, etc..`
`04:26.54`	`MonMotha`	`ah, well then a datasheet would be useful, yes`
`04:27.02`	`sorphin`	`indeed`
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`15:35.42`	`CosmicPenguin`	`morning`
`15:36.07`	`sorphin`	`lo`
`15:40.48`	`signal11`	`whats up`
`15:44.56`	`sorphin`	`need more sleep`
`15:53.55`	`CosmicPenguin`	`signal11: did you ever find out what HDTV chip the TiVo is going to be using?`
`15:54.14`	`sorphin`	`CosmicPenguin: umm`
`15:54.24`	`sorphin`	`CosmicPenguin: i asked sjhill, that bcm chip tivo is already using`
`15:54.27`	`sorphin`	`will do hdtv :P`
`15:54.38`	`CosmicPenguin`	`sorphin: really? So all you need to do is stick on a tuner?`
`15:55.17`	`signal11`	`CosmicPenguin: nope not yet`
`15:55.40`	`CosmicPenguin`	`sorphin: got a part number?`
`15:55.42`	`signal11`	`heh note to self: read to bottom of discussion before responding`
`15:56.02`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`15:56.34`	`sorphin`	`broadcom BCM7030 (it's the one i was bugging him for the data sheet for ;) )`
`15:56.50`	`CosmicPenguin`	`sorphin: did you get it? How good is broadcom in handing that stuff out?`
`15:57.18`	`sorphin`	`Yes. Don't ask.`
`16:01.13`	`CosmicPenguin`	`signal11: this is what we want http://www.broadcom.com/products/3510.html`
`16:02.01`	`signal11`	`hmm, i did a google search for broadcom; not a lot of mention about transport streams, but lots of mention of copy protection.`
`16:02.46`	`signal11`	`but yeah it definitely looks like the right chip`
`16:03.48`	`sorphin`	`that chip can to a lot`
`16:03.58`	`signal11`	`hopefully the interface between the 3510 and that 7020 is documented`
`16:04.30`	`sorphin`	`7030`
`16:04.31`	`sorphin`	`not 20`
`16:05.04`	`CosmicPenguin`	`signal11: we probably don't need the 7020 - the 3510 can output a MPEG2 transport stream - thats all we need`
`16:05.06`	`signal11`	`ok what is the easiest way to get a card with a 3510.`
`16:05.08`	`CosmicPenguin`	`signal11: think price... :)`
`16:06.26`	`kergoth`	`hey`
`16:06.50`	`CosmicPenguin`	`signal11: Hmmm..... well, we need to get the specs and stuff and then go from there`
`16:07.03`	`CosmicPenguin`	`signal11: Our good friend Troy has contacts in place, we'll ask him what he can do`
`16:10.51`	`signal11`	`CosmicPenguin: i wonder if there are any extra vt100's for sale, to put together an mp3 player`
`16:11.16`	`CosmicPenguin`	`signal11: just be patient... ;)`
`16:11.35`	`CosmicPenguin`	`signal11: but you and I both know that there are better platforms available for that same price (Via Epia)`
`16:13.32`	`signal11`	`ATX power supply though, ugh`
`16:14.30`	`signal11`	`it makes car/truck applications almost impossible`
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`16:19.14`	`CosmicPenguin`	`signal11: thats the price you pay for the speed - the Geode just can't muster the power`
`16:19.52`	`signal11`	`for my application, i don't care... i want low power consumption (at 12 vdc) above all else`
`16:20.55`	`CosmicPenguin`	`If you are using 100% CPU just to play the MP3, thats bad juju`
`16:25.19`	`prpplague`	`signal11: why 12vdc?`
`16:26.20`	`signal11`	`prpplague: car`
`16:26.34`	`signal11`	`AC inverters wreak havoc on car audio`
`16:27.28`	`prpplague`	`signal11: ahh, i ment 12vdc vs. 5vdc`
`16:29.55`	`signal11`	`heh, same answer`
`16:30.25`	`signal11`	`i found the ultimate touch screen too but it is like $800`
`16:30.34`	`prpplague`	`ouch`
`16:30.45`	`prpplague`	`what are you wanting to do with a $800 ts`
`16:30.47`	`signal11`	`yeah the little ones are expensive`
`16:30.57`	`prpplague`	`how little?`
`16:30.59`	`signal11`	`6"`
`16:31.05`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: morning grumpy`
`16:31.07`	`prpplague`	`resolution?`
`16:31.12`	`signal11`	`640x480`
`16:31.12`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: ya ya`
`16:31.33`	`prpplague`	`signal11: you looked at earthlcd.com?`
`16:31.40`	`signal11`	`that's where I found it`
`16:32.00`	`prpplague`	`signal11: are you hooking this to a vga connection?`
`16:32.34`	`signal11`	`http://www.earthlcd.com/XLK5002T.htm`
`16:32.42`	`signal11`	`yes, vga`
`16:33.09`	`prpplague`	`ahh that explains the expense`
`16:33.51`	`prpplague`	`signal11: what kinda board you using?`
`16:34.13`	`signal11`	`prpplague: well i have been using an old AT computer for years, with a packard bell ir remote`
`16:34.23`	`signal11`	`it was a cool setup in 1999`
`16:35.28`	`prpplague`	`signal11: fun`
`16:36.25`	`prpplague`	`signal11: sounds like a job for the hack kit :)`
`16:37.19`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: now if only it were available ;)`
`16:37.31`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: shhhhh!`
`16:37.37`	`signal11`	`heh`
`16:38.18`	`prpplague`	`anyone tried the audio patch for the webpal kernel?`
`16:38.19`	`sorphin`	`prpplague's nudie bar, electronics shop, bar and hackkit`
`16:38.44`	`sorphin`	`-2nd bar`
`16:38.54`	`sorphin`	`oh hell, 2 bars, might as well`
`16:38.59`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: thats english pub`
`16:39.10`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: lemme guess`
`16:39.16`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: all they serve is guiness`
`16:39.44`	`sorphin`	`and just for prpplague`
`16:39.47`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: naw, just not AB/COORS/MILLER`
`16:39.47`	`sorphin`	`ibot: guiness`
`16:39.48`		`sorphin: are you smoking crack?`
`16:39.53`	`sorphin`	`ibot: guinness`
`16:39.54`		`ibot pours a creamy pint of dark bitter guinness stout`
`16:40.16`	`sorphin`	`:P`
`16:40.21`	`prpplague`	`yep`
`16:40.50`	`sorphin`	`ibot: no, guinness is <reply> /me pours a creamy pint of dark bitter guinness stout.`
`16:40.51`		`sorphin: okay`
`16:40.56`	`sorphin`	`ibot: guinness`
`16:40.57`		`/me pours a creamy pint of dark bitter guinness stout.`
`16:41.01`	`sorphin`	`wtf`
`16:41.09`	`sorphin`	`ok, taht won't work`
`16:41.16`	`sorphin`	`ibot: forget guinness`
`16:41.16`		`sorphin: i forgot guinness`
`16:41.35`	`sorphin`	`ibot: fishslap?`
`16:41.36`		`sorphin: are you smoking crack?`
`16:41.39`	`prpplague`	`man almost all of the jobs at linuxdevices.com are for indian`
`16:45.25`	`prpplague`	`ibot: guinness is <action> pours a guinness`
`16:45.25`		`prpplague: okay`
`16:45.29`	`prpplague`	`ibot: gu`
`16:45.30`		`prpplague: no idea`
`16:45.33`	`prpplague`	`ibot: guinness`
`16:45.34`		`ACTION pours a guinness`
`16:47.08`	`sorphin`	`ah`
`16:47.12`	`sorphin`	`<action>`
`16:47.53`	`sorphin`	`and now`
`16:47.57`	`sorphin`	`for your bad joke of the day`
`16:48.11`	`sorphin`	`our Rights Online: Appropriate Punishment For Crackers?`
`16:48.19`	`sorphin`	`smother them in cheese?`
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`16:57.39`	`prpplague`	`ibot: tell me about guinness`
`16:58.28`	`CosmicPenguin`	`hmm.... it seems that we have found SCO's new business plan: http://www.sys-con.com/linux/articlenews.cfm?id=381`
`16:58.30`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Bastards`
`16:59.27`	`sorphin`	`CosmicPenguin: too bad they won't have a prayer`
`17:00.37`	`Lethal`	`sco's still around? wtf?`
`17:02.13`	`Lethal`	`does anyone outside of sco even use unixware anymore?`
`17:02.55`	`CosmicPenguin`	`sorphin: actually, a prayer is all they have - and it won't be answered`
`17:04.03`	`sorphin`	`yup`
`17:05.28`	`prpplague`	`CosmicPenguin: ya just read that`
`17:06.33`	`prpplague`	`CosmicPenguin: looks like the new SCO has got the worst of the management from Caldera, SCO, Novell, and AT&T`
`17:10.41`	`prpplague`	`we dropped SCO like a hot rock after they started trying to hit us up for $$ to pay for bug fixes`
`17:12.08`	`prpplague`	`ibot: ibot`
`17:12.09`		`i guess ibot is a blootbot now, no longer an infobot. run by BZFlag on his server. see blootbot also http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/`
`17:12.21`	`CosmicPenguin`	`prpplague: and of course, that has reflected poorly on companies like Century who depend on SCO`
`17:12.34`	`CosmicPenguin`	`prpplague: anyway, did you ever think we would miss the leadership of Ransom Love?`
`17:12.41`	`prpplague`	`lol`
`17:13.39`	`sorphin`	`that name is just so lame`
`17:14.02`	`CosmicPenguin`	`sorphin: he's our own personal pr0n star... :)`
`17:14.10`	`CosmicPenguin`	`sorphin: the pride of Utah!`
`17:14.18`	`sorphin`	`CosmicPenguin: maybe gay pride`
`17:14.29`	`CosmicPenguin`	`prpplague: just wait till his autobiography comes out "For the Love of it"`
`17:16.39`	`prpplague`	`forget guinness`
`17:16.53`	`prpplague`	`ibot: forget guinness`
`17:16.53`		`prpplague: i forgot guinness`
`17:17.31`	`prpplague`	`ibot: guinness is <action> pours a creamy pint of dark bitter guinness stout and hands it to $nick`
`17:17.32`		`prpplague: okay`
`17:17.37`	`prpplague`	`ibot: guinness`
`17:17.38`		`ACTION pours a creamy pint of dark bitter guinness stout and hands it to prpplague`
`17:20.12`	`CosmicPenguin`	`prpplague: what was the website with the IDE->CF adapters`
`17:21.22`	`prpplague`	`CosmicPenguin: don't recall`
`17:21.37`	`prpplague`	`CosmicPenguin: however i'm putting together a page to sell that stuff from`
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`17:22.08`	`prpplague`	`CosmicPenguin: i'm hope'n to have it by friday as long as nothing else major happens to my wife this week`
`17:22.31`	`CosmicPenguin`	`prpplague: k... but we need to buy some ASAP (and when I say we, I mean Century)`
`17:22.42`	`prpplague`	`CosmicPenguin: how many?`
`17:26.55`	`CosmicPenguin`	`prpplague: I dunno.... 4?`
`17:29.49`	`sorphin`	`ohh big order grin`
`17:30.58`	`prpplague`	`CosmicPenguin: how soon? can it be a couple of days?`
`17:31.44`	`CosmicPenguin`	`prpplague: yeah... I need to get approval anyway`
`17:32.39`	`sorphin`	`hehe`
`17:32.40`	`prpplague`	`CosmicPenguin: better get the rectal-cranium-inversion extraction tool as well`
`17:32.59`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: those are hard to come by in the corporate world ;)`
`17:35.08`	`prpplague`	`ibot: sales department <reply> the sales department is actually a high level genetic experimentation lab bond genes from such animals as the slug, snail, and snake together with human dna`
`17:35.08`		`that's too long, prpplague`
`17:35.22`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`17:40.03`	`CosmicPenguin`	`ibot: they got to you, didn't they?`
`17:40.04`		`i haven't a clue, CosmicPenguin`
`17:40.15`	`CosmicPenguin`	`That proves it!`
`18:02.51`	`sorphin`	`CosmicPenguin: i heard pixil is actually not a gui thing, it's a secret government project to do something bad :P`
`18:04.30`	`CosmicPenguin`	`sorphin: everything is a secret government project to do something bad. Trust noone`
`18:04.44`	`sorphin`	`CosmicPenguin: good point`
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`18:11.52`	`sieve`	`lo all`
`18:15.28`	`sorphin`	`signal11: lo`
`18:15.31`	`sorphin`	`grr`
`18:15.33`	`sorphin`	`sieve: lo even`
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`19:00.26`	`CosmicPenguin`	`mm.... monday - clean out the mailing list folders day`
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`19:29.14`	`andersee`	`CosmicPenguin: I updated buildroot for you. Tried rebuilding pixil?`
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`19:35.15`	`sorphin`	`scanline: he's baaaaack`
`19:35.24`	`scanline`	`aieee!`
`19:35.41`	`sorphin`	`scanline: capped you yet? grin`
`19:35.59`	`scanline`	`no.. haven't quite got navi online though`
`19:36.08`	`sorphin`	`ah`
`19:36.27`	`scanline`	`was tired after getting here last night so I didn't unpack, and I decided to do a big reorganization of my room`
`19:37.15`	`CosmicPenguin`	`andersee: not yet... I'm not really building under the control of a buildroot at this point, since I don't have a target app or anything (its all running on my desktop)`
`19:38.22`	`CosmicPenguin`	`andersee: so what I really need is just an updated uclibc-3.2 toolchain and I can test it from there`
`19:40.33`	`andersee`	`Already checked into buildroot...`
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`20:07.06`	`Morn`	`how is Pixil coming for the tuxscreen`
`20:07.15`	`Morn`	`anything I can play with yet?`
`20:07.33`	`sorphin`	`nothing that anyone can right atm`
`20:09.52`	`sorphin`	`he's still trying to build correctly`
`20:10.01`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Morn: Its in managment's hands now`
`20:10.18`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Morn: Just waiting for the go ahead`
`20:10.26`	`sorphin`	`CosmicPenguin: in otherwords, it's heading for the shreader now?`
`20:10.48`	`Morn`	`I see the web page has a OE version`
`20:11.21`	`sorphin`	`CosmicPenguin: i think you and pixil are being stalked ;)`
`20:11.37`	`CosmicPenguin`	`sorphin: thats good - I like to generate a buzz`
`20:11.53`	`sorphin`	`CosmicPenguin: i thought you liked to GET a buzz, not generate one :P`
`20:11.59`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Morn: Trust me, when it hits the web, you will be the first to know`
`20:12.03`	`CosmicPenguin`	`sorphin: its all good.. :)`
`20:12.30`	`sorphin`	`ibot: guinness`
`20:12.31`		`ACTION pours a creamy pint of dark bitter guinness stout and hands it to sorphin`
`20:12.55`	`sorphin`	`there's your buzz ;)`
`20:13.24`	`Morn`	`I've been messing around with C# recently, don't boot me out`
`20:13.45`	`CosmicPenguin`	`mmmm... beer`
`20:15.29`	`file`	`hey all`
`20:21.19`	`sorphin`	`Morn: sellout :P`
`20:23.34`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: so far i'm 2 for 2 w/ canadapost`
`20:23.38`	`Morn`	`Not really, I wanted a windows only app and it turns out to be not a bad language for that`
`20:23.43`	`sorphin`	`file: 0 for X`
`20:24.48`	`sorphin`	`file is 0 for X even`
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`20:51.58`	`sorphin`	`kergoth: well well, if it isn't the resident OZ digiwhore`
`20:52.11`	`kergoth`	`indeed. how goes it`
`20:52.26`	`sorphin`	`more of my ebaying hath arrived..`
`20:53.09`	`kergoth`	`ah nice`
`20:53.31`	`sorphin`	`the Z has been sitting quietly for a while now`
`20:54.38`	`sorphin`	`kergoth: while you're semi awake`
`20:55.10`	`sorphin`	`kergoth: got an OZ question`
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`21:34.59`	`file`	`CosmicPenguin: found a bug?`
`21:36.55`	`CosmicPenguin`	`file: no, I was trying to find a bug I submitted a while ago that was closed`
`21:38.03`	`file`	`ic`
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`22:45.09`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Everyone knew that Dell was POS, now they are proving it: http://www.smartmoney.com/bn/ON/index.cfm?story=ON-20030113-000012-0045`
`22:46.07`	`sorphin`	`CosmicPenguin: i still like that julie chick (the blonde intern in their new commercials)`
`23:07.08`	`CosmicPenguin`	`sorphin: hows this for an unsubscribe request: http://playstation2-linux.com/pipermail/ps2stuff-general/2003-January/000040.html`
`23:07.12`	`CosmicPenguin`	`(warning - quite offensive0`
`23:10.37`	`*** mode/#eLinux [+o Russ\|werk] by ChanServ`
`23:12.20`	`Russ\|werk`	`heh`
`23:12.23`	`Russ\|werk`	`dumbass`
`23:13.03`	`Russ\|werk`	`was today a half day for the stock markets or something?`
`23:14.56`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Russ\|werk: I don't think so. Yahoo shows a full days graph for the Nasdaq`
`23:15.15`	`Russ\|werk`	`but they moved so little for the day`
`23:16.42`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Volume was 1,357,392,000`
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`23:38.03`	`*** mode/#eLinux [+o prpplague] by ChanServ`
`23:56.05`	`sieve`	`later all`

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