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| 00:15.10 | TheMasterMind1 | 1. 3com Etherlink III (TP/TPO) (3c509) Managed to get it up after changing the io scan to 0x80400000 |
| 00:15.10 | TheMasterMind1 | Other than that I just get collisions/overuns. |
| 00:15.11 | TheMasterMind1 | damn |
| 00:15.16 | TheMasterMind1 | i have a bunch of those cards |
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| 01:00.42 | sjhill | lo' everyone |
| 01:01.07 | sorphin | sjhill: you should have em tomorrow |
| 01:01.24 | sorphin | sjhill: i mailed yesterday, and unlike you, i paid the xtra $.10 for a day faster ;) |
| 01:04.51 | sjhill | sorphin: thx a bunch and thx for the generosity :) |
| 01:05.05 | sjhill | sorphin: seriously, how much do i owe you for postage? |
| 01:06.17 | sorphin | sjhill: twas only like $5.. don't worry about it.. just remember next time you have something i need ;) |
| 01:07.33 | sjhill | lol |
| 01:07.34 | sjhill | agreed |
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| 01:17.06 | sorphin | prpplague: evening |
| 01:17.30 | prpplague | sorphin: evening |
| 01:17.33 | MonMotha | heya prpplague |
| 01:17.47 | prpplague | whats cookin guys? |
| 01:18.13 | MonMotha | just working on random stuff |
| 01:19.31 | sorphin | still no maxim |
| 01:20.20 | prpplague | sorphin: still waiting on samples? |
| 01:20.27 | prpplague | sorphin: why didn't you just order some? |
| 01:20.45 | sjhill | sorphin: no maxim? why bother with it when you can get playboy? err.... |
| 01:21.06 | prpplague | sjhill: lol |
| 01:21.12 | sjhill | :-) |
| 01:21.14 | prpplague | sjhill: maxim mag is pretty nice |
| 01:21.40 | sorphin | sjhill: umm |
| 01:21.47 | sorphin | sjhill: i meant my parts |
| 01:21.54 | sjhill | heh |
| 01:21.56 | sorphin | sjhill: tho my maxim sub is over this month |
| 01:22.07 | sorphin | prpplague: i'm cheap |
| 01:23.35 | prpplague | sorphin: go get you some old apple ][ parts |
| 01:24.03 | prpplague | there are a ton of 74LS series and in later models of add in cards they have max232's as well |
| 01:24.24 | sjhill | man, i was really tempter to buy a gamecube today |
| 01:24.29 | sjhill | tempted even |
| 01:24.34 | sorphin | sjhill: get the toshiba one if you do |
| 01:24.47 | sjhill | ? |
| 01:27.48 | sorphin | sjhill: look on lik-sang |
| 01:27.57 | sorphin | 'there's a toshiba made version of the gamecube |
| 01:28.01 | sorphin | sweet lookin |
| 01:28.26 | sorphin | yay |
| 01:28.30 | sorphin | finally found my lilo.conf |
| 01:30.33 | sjhill | that's scary....wth did you put it? |
| 01:31.06 | sorphin | umm |
| 01:31.18 | sorphin | you missed it |
| 01:31.28 | sorphin | in lost+found |
| 01:33.07 | TheMasterMind1 | yo |
| 01:35.23 | TheMasterMind1 | i'd be set |
| 01:37.51 | legodude|out | what 509s does it want? 509bs? |
| 01:37.55 | legodude|out | or plain old ones? |
| 01:38.06 | TheMasterMind1 | it doesn't want 509s |
| 01:38.10 | TheMasterMind1 | it wants ne2k clones |
| 01:38.19 | legodude|out | I thought 509s were reported to work? |
| 01:38.20 | TheMasterMind1 | there's a post from a guy who got the 509s to work |
| 01:38.25 | TheMasterMind1 | but with a lot of collisions and stuff |
| 01:38.32 | TheMasterMind1 | "Other than that I just get collisions/overuns." |
| 01:38.38 | TheMasterMind1 | "3com Etherlink III (TP/TPO) (3c509) Managed to get it up after changing the io scan to 0x80400000" |
| 01:38.41 | legodude|out | oh, I misread that then |
| 01:39.03 | sorphin | legodude|out: you were saying about getting things after 3 months ? |
| 01:39.21 | sjhill | sorphin: ouch, sorry to hear you had a "disk randomizer" hit |
| 01:41.24 | sorphin | sjhill: ya know how fsck says not to run on a mounted disk or risk serious damage ? |
| 01:42.55 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 01:44.16 | sorphin | TheMasterMind1: what's so amusing ? |
| 01:44.39 | legodude|out | sorphin: ya, I'm not sure |
| 01:44.39 | MonMotha | who was it that was cleaning up their comp room for the first time in ages? |
| 01:44.51 | legodude|out | but I think sgi said something about you could get new overlays after their first release |
| 01:44.54 | legodude|out | but I could be mistake |
| 01:44.54 | file | MonMotha: I did |
| 01:44.55 | legodude|out | n |
| 01:45.14 | MonMotha | file: http://perscorpserv.ath.cx/~monmotha/comproom/ |
| 01:45.14 | file | I never got rid of the desktop systems in my corner though |
| 01:45.17 | MonMotha | what's your prognosis? |
| 01:45.53 | file | LOL |
| 01:46.05 | legodude|out | MonMotha: mine is about as bad |
| 01:46.05 | file | s3500054.jpg -> my corner was like that |
| 01:46.23 | legodude|out | baker's racks are key |
| 01:47.00 | sorphin | legodude|out: baker's racks? |
| 01:47.03 | MonMotha | file: heh, look at 61 |
| 01:47.09 | sorphin | legodude|out: i just have a 7' rack next to me |
| 01:47.28 | file | MonMotha: evil, evil |
| 01:47.31 | legodude|out | I want a real 19" rack bad |
| 01:47.36 | legodude|out | I have tons of rackmount stuff now |
| 01:47.40 | legodude|out | they have em here for $50 |
| 01:47.43 | legodude|out | I might just have to get one |
| 01:47.50 | sjhill | sorphin: well i have a 38" rack next to me....they're beautiful fleshy mounds...and.....wait a minute....sorry |
| 01:47.51 | MonMotha | file: heh |
| 01:47.59 | legodude|out | sorphin: lemme find pictuer of baker's rack |
| 01:48.12 | file | all my network stuff is located on my desk |
| 01:48.25 | file | ADSL, hub, CAT5, USB, more CAT5.. |
| 01:48.31 | sorphin | sjhill: hehe |
| 01:48.41 | sorphin | sjhill: yeah, your fiancee does have nice ones ;) |
| 01:48.47 | legodude|out | you're not hardcore unless yo uhave a good amount of fiber :P |
| 01:48.59 | MonMotha | file: the cable modem is on the top of the blue stand with the laptop next to the server, the switch is on top of the bit rackmount comp under the blue linksys hub |
| 01:49.13 | sjhill | lol |
| 01:49.15 | MonMotha | 57 you can kinda see it, it's under the 16 port hub |
| 01:49.28 | MonMotha | 56 kidna shows it too, behind the tapes |
| 01:49.41 | MonMotha | let me takes some better pictures |
| 01:50.38 | legodude|out | sorphin: http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=1757001&cat=105263&type=1&dept=4044&path=0%3A4044%3A4064%3A105263 |
| 01:50.40 | legodude|out | that's the style |
| 01:50.43 | file | I wish this damn ISA NIC worked! |
| 01:50.54 | legodude|out | but mine is 4ft wide, 18" deep, 6ft tall |
| 01:51.00 | legodude|out | file: webpal? |
| 01:51.07 | file | legodude|out: no... just in general |
| 01:51.08 | legodude|out | 5 shelves |
| 01:51.14 | file | I think it's EEPROM is shot |
| 01:51.15 | sorphin | legodude|out: heh, i'll have to look much much later |
| 01:51.26 | file | I might be able to revive it with a complete rewrite of the EEPROM though... |
| 01:51.29 | file | let me go scavenge for it |
| 01:51.32 | legodude|out | and like $65 at sams club |
| 01:51.40 | sorphin | legodude|out: my rack was $99 |
| 01:51.57 | legodude|out | ja, they have em here in surplus for $50 |
| 01:52.01 | legodude|out | I just need way to get it to my dorm |
| 01:52.04 | file | found it... and a phone too! |
| 01:52.30 | file | 3Com Etherlink 3C509B-TP |
| 01:52.58 | sorphin | legodude|out: mine i had to assemble |
| 01:53.08 | sorphin | MonMotha: the linux usb storage crap has issues and a 1/2 |
| 01:53.18 | sjhill | crap being the operative word |
| 01:53.29 | legodude|out | sorphin: is it enclosed rack? |
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| 01:53.59 | cpenguin_home | evening |
| 01:54.04 | legodude|out | word |
| 01:54.10 | legodude|out | how goes things? |
| 01:54.12 | sorphin | legodude|out: no, call it a telecom rack |
| 01:54.15 | legodude|out | ahso |
| 01:54.20 | sjhill | cpenguin_home: word up dude |
| 01:54.23 | file | Windows & Linux doesn't even see this NIC... |
| 01:54.26 | legodude|out | the ones here are 4post so they're huge |
| 01:54.52 | sorphin | legodude|out: ya |
| 01:54.54 | legodude|out | I really, really want a half rack |
| 01:55.03 | legodude|out | but they're more than full racks often |
| 01:55.07 | sorphin | legodude|out: this rack is pretty ful :P |
| 01:55.21 | legodude|out | I don't have enough stuff for a full rack at home or here |
| 01:55.34 | legodude|out | but I could fill two half racks easy if I had one here and at home |
| 01:57.20 | sorphin | heh, i do :P |
| 01:57.36 | sorphin | top 5U is all cisco routers |
| 01:58.20 | legodude|out | nice |
| 01:58.35 | sorphin | at the bottom are 2 mid towers |
| 01:58.43 | sorphin | then above those are giga's 4U case |
| 01:58.59 | legodude|out | I'd need me some shelves |
| 01:59.09 | legodude|out | or 4u cases for my machines |
| 01:59.16 | sorphin | a lil bit above that, is a shelf w/ nothing atm, above that is the ultra 5, then the SS20, then a tivo, then the 1605/dsl modem, then the cisco stuff |
| 02:00.23 | legodude|out | racks just look cool too |
| 02:01.20 | MonMotha | sjhill: yeah, I noticed |
| 02:01.26 | MonMotha | butI don't have my PCMCIA slots working yet |
| 02:01.39 | MonMotha | it's not PnP so I'll have to pop the hood again and write down the name of the board and chip |
| 02:04.11 | MonMotha | there we go, numbers 1-21 should actually look OK |
| 02:23.28 | sorphin | man |
| 02:23.33 | sorphin | lotta dupe files |
| 02:23.42 | sorphin | it did complain about lotta dupe inodes tho |
| 02:23.44 | sorphin | explains things |
| 03:12.38 | kergoth | re |
| 03:15.14 | sorphin | kergoth: re chris |
| 03:17.29 | kergoth | whatre you up to this evening |
| 03:19.32 | sorphin | actually making progress on the restore |
| 03:20.19 | kergoth | ah nice |
| 03:21.40 | sorphin | slow but sure |
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| 03:54.24 | TheMasterMind1 | sup kre |
| 03:54.26 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: |
| 03:56.22 | kergoth | hey |
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| 15:28.51 | CosmicPenguin | morning |
| 15:29.06 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: indecisive weasel |
| 15:41.16 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: he's a slippery one |
| 15:42.05 | CosmicPenguin | brb - I hate these damn server messages |
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| 16:19.41 | sorphin | prpplague: morning davey |
| 16:19.54 | prpplague | morning |
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| 16:22.29 | sorphin | prpplague: hate to ask.. teh bimbo ship the simms yet ? |
| 16:22.41 | prpplague | sorphin: don't know |
| 16:22.42 | sorphin | or is she still trying to figure out what color to paint her nails? |
| 16:22.46 | prpplague | sorphin: i'll check shortly |
| 16:22.46 | sorphin | +s |
| 16:22.51 | sorphin | k |
| 16:23.07 | prpplague | sorphin: more likely trying to figure out what body part to pierce next |
| 16:23.34 | sorphin | prpplague: ah, one of those kinda girls |
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| 16:24.33 | prpplague | anyone know if the ucb series comes in plcc ? |
| 16:24.51 | sorphin | ucb series ? |
| 16:25.21 | prpplague | ucb1200 or ucb1300 |
| 16:25.44 | sorphin | ah |
| 16:26.59 | sorphin | looks like LQFP only |
| 16:27.04 | sorphin | according to philips |
| 16:27.30 | andersee | Anyone want to standardize their embedded systems? http://www.linuxdevices.com/files/misc/ELCPS_v1.pdf |
| 16:28.10 | sorphin | prpplague: so, looks like you're sol |
| 16:28.19 | sorphin | andersee: prolly |
| 16:28.47 | sieve | lo all |
| 16:29.53 | sorphin | sieve: lo |
| 16:29.59 | sorphin | kergoth: morning digibitch |
| 16:30.15 | kergoth | I gave up coffee and soda. somebody kill me |
| 16:30.27 | sorphin | ~lart kergoth |
| 16:30.41 | kergoth | thanks |
| 16:31.06 | sorphin | kergoth: i figred working at digi you'd drink MORE coffee and soda :P |
| 16:32.18 | prpplague | andersee: ya, doesn't look like something i'm interested |
| 16:32.31 | sorphin | +in |
| 16:33.32 | prpplague | sorphin: ya |
| 16:34.58 | prpplague | sorphin: looks like i need to get expresspcb to make a feed lqfp to dip converters |
| 16:35.19 | sorphin | prpplague: fuuuun |
| 16:35.41 | sorphin | i don't even remember what an lqfp looks like |
| 16:37.44 | prpplague | sorphin: IIRC lqfp is just a low profile qfp |
| 16:38.11 | sorphin | nod |
| 16:40.53 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.conexant.com/products/prodsubcat.jsp?id=618 |
| 16:41.46 | CosmicPenguin | So, do you suppose the #elinux team could take one of those chips, add on a tuner and cobble together a reasonable facsimile of a HDTV decoder reference platform for Linux |
| 16:41.47 | CosmicPenguin | ?? |
| 16:43.24 | scanline | hmm |
| 16:43.59 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: which, there's 3 single chip solutions |
| 16:47.46 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: one of the decoders... the single chip solutions don't seem to handle HDTV |
| 16:48.01 | CosmicPenguin | The MPEG decoder would have to be seperate (but thats not a crime) |
| 16:49.59 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: or wait, I see what you are talking about now |
| 16:52.02 | sorphin | nope |
| 16:53.29 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: anyway, just a thought |
| 16:53.39 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: yup |
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| 17:15.32 | sorphin | as_: lo |
| 17:15.59 | as_ | soephin :] |
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| 17:18.50 | sorphin | ade|desk: oi.. attack of the brits ;) |
| 17:19.13 | ade|desk | sorphin: yoyoyo ! |
| 17:19.18 | ade|desk | lo all |
| 17:19.49 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: you awake? |
| 17:33.12 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: yup |
| 17:38.51 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: I kinda found the problem, but I don't know the solution to my _ctype issue |
| 17:39.10 | CosmicPenguin | The problem is isupper(), islower() and isspace() |
| 17:39.25 | CosmicPenguin | We are definately pulling in linux/ctype.h which defines extern char *_ctype; |
| 17:40.16 | CosmicPenguin | plus several macros all having to do with _ctype[] |
| 17:41.31 | CosmicPenguin | and then I found this in stl/c_locale.h |
| 17:41.34 | CosmicPenguin | # elif defined (_STLP_USE_UCLIBC) |
| 17:41.34 | CosmicPenguin | # include <linux/ctype.h> |
| 17:43.38 | CosmicPenguin | Whassup with that? |
| 17:49.08 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: removing that line and adding several _defines by hand seems to fix it |
| 17:49.47 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: dunno, but its obviously wrong |
| 17:52.17 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: patch incoming |
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| 18:24.01 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: one of these? * REDUCE WRINKLES! |
| 18:24.01 | andersee | * INCREASE SEXUAL POTENCY! |
| 18:24.01 | andersee | * IMPROVE EMOTIONAL STABILITY? |
| 18:30.13 | prpplague | andersee: * USE LINUX |
| 18:32.19 | ade|desk | increase the size of your penis. only $49 a month |
| 18:34.07 | ade|desk | anyone know the laws on spam, if spam comes from US and is then received in the UK under whos laws does the problem lie ? |
| 18:39.06 | prpplague | ade|desk: well based on the case going on in france regarding yahoo auctions, you can prosecute in the country that has the law |
| 18:39.21 | prpplague | ade|desk: the US has tried to do this on many occasions |
| 18:39.29 | prpplague | ade|desk: why not take advantage of it |
| 18:39.39 | sorphin | heh |
| 18:40.16 | sorphin | ade|desk: CP says he's tried that plan |
| 18:46.18 | ade|desk | sorphin: lol , really |
| 18:47.35 | ade|desk | prpplague: cos most spam now has some shit at the bottom that says it complies with US mailing law, but i still dont like/want it. can I use UK law to tell them to piss off ? |
| 18:50.26 | sorphin | ade|desk: yeah, he seems eager to show the results so i'd be careful if i were you |
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| 18:50.49 | sorphin | prpplague: well, i have seasons 1-3 of buffy coming to me from canada this week, let's hope they don't get 'file'd' ;) |
| 18:53.10 | andersee | ade|desk: that stuff is complete crap |
| 18:53.38 | ade|desk | sorphin: you should have said... buffy comes out over here on dvd sooner than US :) |
| 18:53.59 | ade|desk | i think we are on season 5 on region 2 |
| 18:54.27 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: Is that a drop in replacement for the current patch then? |
| 18:59.01 | sorphin | ade|desk: yeah |
| 18:59.08 | sorphin | ade|desk: but you're also PAL :P |
| 19:03.30 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: more or less |
| 19:06.39 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: pick one :P |
| 19:07.13 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: more, since its a larger patch |
| 19:09.30 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: what's the news on pixilization? |
| 19:10.54 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: that the uclibc version of Pixil is about 1.5 MB larger than the glibc version... :( |
| 19:10.57 | CosmicPenguin | jordanc@:address >size address |
| 19:10.57 | CosmicPenguin | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:10.57 | CosmicPenguin | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:10.57 | CosmicPenguin | jordanc@:address >size /projects/pbr/distro/bin/address |
| 19:10.57 | CosmicPenguin | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:10.58 | CosmicPenguin | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:11.08 | CosmicPenguin | The first one is uclibc, the second one is straight glibc |
| 19:11.17 | sorphin | umm |
| 19:11.22 | sorphin | how the fsck did that happen ? |
| 19:12.57 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I dunn |
| 19:14.35 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: to be fair, we do pick most of it back up with the difference between the libc libraries, but |
| 19:14.56 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: BTW, why are you using stlport? |
| 19:15.42 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: 2.95 toolchain, prolly.... |
| 19:15.47 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: is that a bad idea all around? |
| 19:15.49 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: stlport tends to make big binaries due to using lots of templates... |
| 19:16.03 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: oddly, my straight C files are also bigger |
| 19:16.36 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: Why use the 2.95 toolchain? |
| 19:16.54 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: I just picked it. I'll switch now |
| 19:18.53 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: I built with -O3 -fPIC and -D_GNU_SOURCE |
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| 19:42.10 | prpplague | surprise surprise surprise, jameco send replacement caps and an apology letter |
| 19:42.46 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: Hmm. -O3 does loop unrooling and other bloating optimizations. and -fPIC makes the code bigger too by wasting a register. Why build the toolchain PIC? |
| 19:47.02 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: I meant my code |
| 19:47.17 | CosmicPenguin | ade|desk: the toolchain was built with default flags |
| 19:47.44 | ade|desk | i believe you |
| 19:48.12 | CosmicPenguin | damn xchat |
| 20:09.28 | CosmicPenguin | ** rebuilding with 3.2 ** |
| 20:14.30 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: *fingers crossed* |
| 20:15.50 | CosmicPenguin | man, can you imagine surviving a plane crash? I bet you never even go up on the second floor of a building after that |
| 20:17.11 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: ??? |
| 20:20.15 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: there was a plane crash in Turkey with 5 survivors |
| 20:23.52 | prpplague | ok guys, whats the command to release a filehandler for re-use in C? |
| 20:24.26 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: a stream? |
| 20:24.35 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: dup? |
| 20:27.54 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i got a legacy app that doesn't seem to be releasing file handlers |
| 20:28.07 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: so it just keeps making new ones? |
| 20:28.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: right |
| 20:28.16 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: doh |
| 20:28.17 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: till it chokes |
| 20:28.30 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: right around 0xFFFF? |
| 20:28.58 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: fortunately i've built in some stuff to keep one of these apps from taking over the system |
| 20:29.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: right now, i'm doing a wrapper that limited the number of file handlers per pid to 1024 |
| 20:30.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: its based on the value stored in /proc/sys/fs/file-max |
| 20:30.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: IIRC |
| 20:34.09 | CosmicPenguin | ahhh |
| 20:35.16 | sorphin | prpplague: also changable by ulimit |
| 20:40.57 | prpplague | sorphin: ahh, thanks, i'd forgotten about that as well |
| 20:42.11 | sorphin | prpplague: yeah, have to do that at work for the app i support |
| 20:42.20 | sorphin | damn rvd keeps running outta filehandles |
| 20:43.01 | prpplague | sorphin: cool thanks |
| 20:44.38 | CosmicPenguin | heh, Bill Gates is down $1007.5 million bucks today |
| 20:44.43 | sorphin | awwww |
| 20:44.46 | sorphin | NOT |
| 20:45.15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: cool |
| 20:46.53 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: I must have screwed something up. The total size of my binaries under 3.2 shot up to 7.1 MB |
| 20:46.58 | CosmicPenguin | Up from 5.6MB with glibc |
| 20:47.18 | sorphin | heh |
| 20:47.34 | andersee | Hmm |
| 20:47.57 | andersee | That doesn't sound right. Static linking going on in there? |
| 20:48.00 | file | CosmicPenguin: no offense but you've been screwing up things alot in the last two days |
| 20:49.03 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: nope, the ld is the same for both versions.... |
| 20:49.10 | CosmicPenguin | s/ld/ldd/ |
| 20:50.32 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: ld can be the same, but different libs can cause different things to happen |
| 20:51.18 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: Can you check with 'ldd' or 'readelf' to compare what libs are dynamically linked. Compare some binary or other that got bigger vs the glibc one |
| 20:52.13 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: actually, the glibc version had nano-X statically linked, and the uclibc version didn't... :( |
| 20:53.11 | andersee | binaries stripped? |
| 20:53.32 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: yep |
| 20:53.54 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: in the interest of fairness, I should say that these are C++ apps |
| 20:54.04 | file | son of a... stupid argh |
| 20:54.21 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: the Nano-X libraries are smaller with uclibc, but the FLTK libraries are slightly larger |
| 20:56.15 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: so there you go |
| 20:56.26 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: but unfortunately, it adds way too much bloat |
| 21:01.49 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: no worries, you have more important things than C++ to concern yourself with... :) |
| 21:02.40 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: are you using stlport still? |
| 21:02.50 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: Or is this will the libstdc++ provided by gcc-3.2 |
| 21:12.12 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: libstdc++ with gcc-3.2 |
| 21:12.25 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: or wait, let me make sure |
| 21:13.46 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: hmm... I don't seem to be dynamically linking libstdc++. Perhaps thats a problem? |
| 21:13.53 | andersee | That'll do it |
| 21:13.58 | andersee | Figured as much |
| 21:14.00 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: do I need to specifically put -lstdc++ on the line? |
| 21:14.12 | andersee | Shouldn't need to, no |
| 21:14.18 | CosmicPenguin | well then |
| 21:14.26 | andersee | Perhaps we are missing a symlink |
| 21:14.48 | andersee | can you 'ls -l' the lib/libstdc++*' stuff |
| 21:14.54 | CosmicPenguin | possibly, there is no *.so in the library |
| 21:15.14 | CosmicPenguin | or rather, there is no libstdc++* in the .so |
| 21:15.36 | CosmicPenguin | Do ya know what I mean? :) |
| 21:16.10 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: Yup |
| 21:17.29 | andersee | Add in another symlink... |
| 21:17.46 | andersee | There should be a .so, and a .so.<version> |
| 21:18.55 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: linked to what? |
| 21:20.09 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: Take libpthread as an example. There is libpthread-0.9.16.so, and libpthread.a. |
| 21:20.29 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: There are also two symlinks: libpthread.so -> libpthread-0.9.16.so and libpthread.so.0 -> libpthread-0.9.16.so |
| 21:21.21 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: yeah, but I have no libstdc++.so anywhere |
| 21:21.27 | CosmicPenguin | find . -name libstdc* |
| 21:21.29 | CosmicPenguin | ./toolchain/lib/libstdc++.la |
| 21:21.30 | CosmicPenguin | ./toolchain/lib/libstdc++.a |
| 21:21.48 | andersee | For libstdc++ you want something like libstdc++.so.0 -> <lib> and libstdc++.so -> <lib> |
| 21:21.52 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: Hmm |
| 21:22.21 | andersee | I guess I need to look at the uclibc_toolchain.mk install then |
| 21:22.44 | andersee | Perhaps they wern't built, or were misinstalled. |
| 21:22.57 | andersee | lemme look |
| 21:23.10 | andersee | The missing symlinks are my problem too |
| 21:24.26 | CosmicPenguin | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:24.38 | CosmicPenguin | Would --disable-shared in the GCC makefile be a bad thing? |
| 21:25.59 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: --disable-shared don't provide a shared libgcc |
| 21:26.16 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: So nope, thats not it |
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| 21:36.10 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: keep in mind, I have absolutely no idea of anything thats happening in there.... :) |
| 21:38.35 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: yeah. Lemme take a look and see if I can fix it. |
| 21:39.36 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: much preciated |
| 21:40.36 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: as soon as my current build finishes... Don't want to push my load average over the current 10 zillion. |
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| 21:42.39 | teclas2k | jtag anybody please? |
| 21:43.18 | teclas2k | i'm trying to get my 3760 back to life ? |
| 21:44.07 | teclas2k | are we sleeppingh here ? |
| 21:44.21 | Russ|werk | what do you want to know about jtag? |
| 21:44.54 | teclas2k | thanks. i'm trying to get a bootldr back to flash on by 3760. |
| 21:45.13 | Russ|werk | what did you want to know exactly? |
| 21:45.24 | teclas2k | i can read but cannot write. it's giving me "timeout for buffers" |
| 21:45.46 | CosmicPenguin | 3760? IBM terminal? :) |
| 21:45.47 | teclas2k | i suspect it's due to vpen. any idea ? |
| 21:46.00 | teclas2k | sorry... ipaq 3760 |
| 21:46.33 | teclas2k | sa1110 rev B4 and ianjtag tools |
| 21:46.49 | Russ|werk | why not use jflash? |
| 21:47.08 | teclas2k | because it doesn't detect anything. |
| 21:47.58 | teclas2k | and i have tryied LART, and Intel kit and jtag-tools and... ianjtag is the only one that worked with no problems so far. |
| 21:48.00 | MonMotha | there's somethign special you have to do to flash ipaqs with jflash |
| 21:48.10 | MonMotha | unfortunately I can't tell you :) |
| 21:48.20 | teclas2k | i thought so... |
| 21:48.25 | MonMotha | ask Jamey Hicks when he gets back or another compaq person |
| 21:48.33 | MonMotha | I'm not actually under NDA, but I said I wouldn't tell anyone :) |
| 21:49.25 | MonMotha | though check handhelds.org CVS, they may have an appropriately patched jflash somewhere |
| 21:49.26 | teclas2k | no problem... i know. i talked to him. so far i'm really staring at ianjtag tools to flash the stupid device... |
| 21:49.41 | teclas2k | they don't anymore... only PXA. |
| 21:50.11 | teclas2k | do you at leas know of a working jflash version ? |
| 21:50.18 | teclas2k | i tried several cables: |
| 21:50.36 | MonMotha | no I don't |
| 21:50.46 | teclas2k | buffered in several pin configs but the simplest is allways the better way: |
| 21:50.59 | teclas2k | 100ohm resistor in every line... :) |
| 21:51.20 | MonMotha | let me dig up the one I used on my tux |
| 21:51.56 | teclas2k | thanks. can you point me somebody else with the same problem ? |
| 21:52.32 | MonMotha | teclas2k: well, jflash is noutoriously picky |
| 21:52.53 | Russ|werk | teclas2k: note: there are two versions of jflash |
| 21:52.53 | teclas2k | can i DCC you the copy of ianjtag i'm using right now ? |
| 21:53.02 | teclas2k | ohoh... |
| 21:53.08 | Russ|werk | teclas2k: the lart one is for the SA11_0_0 |
| 21:53.08 | teclas2k | :> |
| 21:53.13 | MonMotha | I'm not a jtag expert |
| 21:53.14 | Russ|werk | you have a sa11_1_0 |
| 21:53.21 | MonMotha | yeah, you'll need SA-1110, not SA-1100 |
| 21:53.29 | Russ|werk | the sa1100 version will fail to detect an sa1100 when you run it on an sa1110 |
| 21:53.31 | teclas2k | i know. |
| 21:53.53 | Russ|werk | 'and i have tryied LART' |
| 21:54.02 | teclas2k | it was the first one i tryied till i read the note... |
| 21:54.04 | Russ|werk | why did you try the lart jtag tool? |
| 21:54.20 | teclas2k | because i didn't note it was using 1100 |
| 21:54.27 | teclas2k | :> |
| 21:54.48 | teclas2k | i even built their cable... |
| 21:55.04 | teclas2k | but had to stop just before plugging it in...: |
| 21:55.18 | teclas2k | sa1110 is not 5v tolerant... :< |
| 21:55.25 | MonMotha | nor is SA-1100 |
| 21:55.37 | MonMotha | which is why you throw a buffer running off a 3.3V supply in |
| 21:55.45 | MonMotha | that can handle the 5V |
| 21:55.48 | teclas2k | the manuals say it is... |
| 21:55.59 | MonMotha | really? |
| 21:56.27 | prpplague | anyone know where to order/request samples of the ucb1300? |
| 21:56.38 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: doesn't intel run that these days? |
| 21:56.41 | teclas2k | i think it is for filter purposes as it uses capacitors.. |
| 21:57.02 | MonMotha | my cable doesn't have any caps on it, basically just some resistors and a buffer ;) |
| 21:57.14 | teclas2k | ls244 ? |
| 21:57.19 | Russ|werk | the sa1100 is NOT NOT NOT 5V tolerant |
| 21:57.47 | teclas2k | ok..... ok... i got it.... |
| 21:57.57 | Russ|werk | I just don't want anyone blowing something up |
| 21:57.59 | MonMotha | teclas2k: I used an HC |
| 21:58.39 | Russ|werk | teclas2k: so wait, what was your question? |
| 21:59.43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the smallest min order i've found is 2k qty |
| 22:00.21 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: damn.... |
| 22:00.23 | Russ|werk | you could always find someone who made a replacement daughterboard for their tuxscreen |
| 22:00.25 | teclas2k | do you know how do i toggle vpen ? |
| 22:00.31 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: order em and retile your bathroom... :) |
| 22:00.33 | Russ|werk | and buy their daughterboard |
| 22:00.34 | ade|desk | prpplague: ah damn thats 2 too many |
| 22:00.39 | Russ|werk | teclas2k: vpen? |
| 22:00.55 | teclas2k | to enable flash write... |
| 22:01.09 | ade|desk | prpplague: only need 1998 |
| 22:01.09 | Russ|werk | Is that in the BCR? |
| 22:01.41 | prpplague | Russ|werk: ya i got two on the tuxscreen daughters boards, i was just kind afraid tring to desolder that thing |
| 22:02.01 | teclas2k | jamey says it has to be written a 1 to 0x49000000 with A24=1 and ncs5=1 |
| 22:02.04 | Russ|werk | prpplague: hmmm |
| 22:02.13 | Russ|werk | teclas2k: sounds like the BCR |
| 22:02.18 | Russ|werk | teclas2k: ok, then do that |
| 22:02.31 | teclas2k | i'm wrong on this one, pb_ told me not jamey... |
| 22:02.39 | Russ|werk | teclas2k: check the kernel headers |
| 22:03.09 | Russ|werk | and the 3760 arch setup file (it'll probably remap the BCR) |
| 22:04.35 | ade|bed | night all |
| 22:04.54 | prpplague | interesting all the distributors are saying that the ucb1300 is obsoleted |
| 22:05.57 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: do they mean the 1200? |
| 22:06.18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: they laughed when i asked about the 1200 |
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| 22:06.34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: said they hadn't carried that in two years |
| 22:06.46 | teclas911 | i'm back... the line droped |
| 22:08.12 | teclas911 | so, how do i get to vpen ? according to handhelds.org its accessed by MCS5 and A25=0 and A24=1 |
| 22:08.36 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: so if the 1300 is obsoleted, what did they try to sell you in its place? |
| 22:09.09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: nothing, they weren't interested in developers |
| 22:09.22 | MonMotha | nobody wants to sell 1 of anything |
| 22:09.25 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: from the philips site, it looks like the ucb1400 is what they want to sell |
| 22:10.24 | prpplague | wonder what the difference between the ucb1300 and 1400 is |
| 22:10.26 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: the 1400? |
| 22:10.29 | CosmicPenguin | hehe |
| 22:10.57 | CosmicPenguin | You hated the 1200, you lothed the 1300, and now Phillips proudly presents the 1400. Hate it again, for the first time |
| 22:11.32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: 1400 has built in AC'97 stero audio |
| 22:11.45 | prpplague | is there even a linux driver for the 1400? |
| 22:12.30 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: its probably the same pinout as the other 2, so it should pretty much work already |
| 22:13.54 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: looks like its supported in the arm kernel |
| 22:16.05 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: didn't the 1200 support AC'97 though? |
| 22:17.34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i didn't see it on the datasheet |
| 22:17.41 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: doesn't mean it didn't |
| 22:20.49 | MonMotha | prpplague: what kind of interface does UCB1200/1300/1400 use anyway (to proc)? |
| 22:21.26 | sorphin | good grief |
| 22:21.33 | prpplague | MonMotha: no idea, thats why i'm ordering some to see if i can learn |
| 22:21.37 | sorphin | pesky lil bugger he was |
| 22:22.03 | MonMotha | prpplague: heh |
| 22:22.19 | MonMotha | looks like a serial bus of some sort (real informative there... :) |
| 22:27.04 | CosmicPenguin | MonMotha: its an digital->analog coverter, so it sticks its fingers into the pie in lots of areas |
| 22:27.42 | prpplague | well, i'm gonna bite the bullet and order 4 |
| 22:27.43 | MonMotha | CosmicPenguin: also ADC, for touchscreen |
| 22:27.49 | MonMotha | prpplague: how much each? |
| 22:27.51 | CosmicPenguin | MonMotha: yes indeed |
| 22:28.14 | MonMotha | CosmicPenguin: I was wondering what the UCB1x00->CPU connect was |
| 22:28.15 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: 4 UCB1400 chips? |
| 22:30.26 | prpplague | ya |
| 22:30.35 | prpplague | $11.00 |
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| 22:31.04 | CosmicPenguin | MonMotha: yeah, its on the serial bus |
| 22:31.23 | CosmicPenguin | the MCP to be exact |
| 22:31.27 | prpplague | i jsut can't find any specs on what the difference between the BE BE-T and BE-S |
| 22:31.30 | MonMotha | which is? ) |
| 22:31.31 | MonMotha | :) |
| 22:31.38 | MonMotha | MCP that is |
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| 22:33.14 | prpplague | sjhill: hey |
| 22:33.22 | prpplague | sjhill: you know anything about the UCB series? |
| 22:33.41 | sjhill | hi prpplague |
| 22:33.48 | sjhill | prpplague: ucb1200 a little |
| 22:34.35 | prpplague | sjhill: any idea what the difference between the BE, BE-T , and BE-S versions are? |
| 22:34.47 | sjhill | no clue |
| 22:35.10 | prpplague | sjhill: hmmm, lol, tnx anyway |
| 22:35.21 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: that would be the Multimedia Communications Port |
| 22:35.34 | TheMasterMind1 | aha! |
| 22:35.35 | MonMotha | CosmicPenguin: ah, thanks |
| 22:35.49 | TheMasterMind1 | i found two 32MB 72pin sticks of ram! |
| 22:36.11 | MonMotha | those are rare |
| 22:36.28 | TheMasterMind1 | oh? |
| 22:36.29 | CosmicPenguin | MonMotha: if you check the SA1100 spec, you'll get all the gory specs |
| 22:36.29 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
| 22:36.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: are you saying that the difference is the style of MCP port? |
| 22:37.12 | MonMotha | CosmicPenguin: I'm sure I will :) |
| 22:37.16 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: difference in what? |
| 22:37.57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: sorry must be on two different converstations |
| 22:38.16 | MonMotha | CosmicPenguin: you accidentally addressed prpplague instead of me |
| 22:38.22 | MonMotha | on your definition of MCP |
| 22:42.52 | TheMasterMind1 | so can the webpal play mp3s? |
| 22:42.58 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone tried it? |
| 22:43.24 | sorphin | umm |
| 22:43.54 | MonMotha | love the phillips semiconductor website...the menus pop up then disappear as soon as a I move my mouse in moz |
| 22:44.04 | MonMotha | I'm sure it works in IE though, because we know everybody uses IE |
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| 22:45.40 | bgelb | prpplague: you there? |
| 22:49.36 | prpplague | bgelb: well, most ppl pay i not all together anywhere |
| 22:49.42 | prpplague | s/pay/say |
| 22:49.49 | bgelb | hehe |
| 22:49.59 | bgelb | for the IR kbd |
| 22:50.10 | bgelb | the raw IR data or the decoded from Atmel is used |
| 22:50.21 | bgelb | or does it depend on which kernel patch you are using |
| 22:51.09 | prpplague | ya if your using the tuxscreen code, you can use the raw |
| 22:51.23 | prpplague | based on the schematics and code |
| 22:51.30 | bgelb | thats what you are running |
| 22:51.34 | bgelb | ? |
| 22:51.51 | prpplague | bgelb: no, remember i've remove my ir and atmel all-together |
| 22:52.30 | bgelb | right |
| 22:52.34 | bgelb | http://www.luban.org/Webpal/ |
| 22:52.36 | bgelb | that patch |
| 22:52.40 | bgelb | does it use raw |
| 22:52.41 | bgelb | or IR |
| 22:52.41 | prpplague | bgelb: but based on what i've done with the tuxscreen kbd and receiver you should be able to do that |
| 22:52.49 | prpplague | let me look |
| 22:52.50 | TheMasterMind1 | he's not using the tuxscreen code |
| 22:52.59 | TheMasterMind1 | using the webpal irkbd code |
| 22:53.34 | bgelb | basically, I found two mods, the one you described where I put raw IR on J10 and disconnect atmel |
| 22:53.36 | bgelb | or |
| 22:53.38 | bgelb | cut JP1 |
| 22:53.46 | bgelb | and not have IR raw anywhere |
| 22:54.30 | TheMasterMind1 | i think shannon_irkbd uses raw data - its sa1100 dependent code. the webpal irkbd driver uses the i/o port address to read data.. |
| 22:54.37 | prpplague | bgelb: its reading from ttyS0 which should be port 1 |
| 22:54.48 | prpplague | TheMasterMind1: right |
| 22:55.03 | bgelb | port 1 == J10 |
| 22:55.03 | bgelb | right |
| 22:55.16 | bgelb | so I can just cut J10 |
| 22:55.18 | bgelb | errr |
| 22:55.19 | bgelb | JP1 |
| 22:55.20 | TheMasterMind1 | 0x3f88 = ttyS0 ? |
| 22:55.29 | prpplague | TheMasterMind1: from what i'm seeing the webpal is getting the decoded, where as the tuxscreen is getting raw |
| 22:55.32 | prpplague | TheMasterMind1: right |
| 22:55.50 | bgelb | hm |
| 22:55.52 | bgelb | whats tuxscreen |
| 22:55.59 | prpplague | ibot: tuxscreen |
| 22:56.00 | | methinks tuxscreen is http://TuxScreen.net/ they were $99 but now sold out or http://tuxscreen.net/scrapbook/images.html or #TuxScreen |
| 22:56.08 | TheMasterMind1 | prpplague: yea, sounds right |
| 22:56.23 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm trying to get the shannon_irkbd (tuxscreen) working on my Zaurus |
| 22:56.25 | bgelb | another wierd piece of hardware? |
| 22:56.29 | TheMasterMind1 | with the built in irda |
| 22:56.34 | TheMasterMind1 | bgelb: yea, basically |
| 22:56.40 | TheMasterMind1 | its TimRiker's thing |
| 22:56.45 | TheMasterMind1 | he used to sell em, dunno if he still does |
| 22:56.50 | bgelb | any advantage to the tuxscreen code over webpal code |
| 22:57.10 | TheMasterMind1 | don't think so |
| 22:57.20 | TheMasterMind1 | prpplague: you've used shannon_irkbd with the webpal? |
| 22:57.21 | bgelb | bye bye JP1 |
| 22:57.25 | bgelb | -) |
| 22:58.12 | prpplague | TheMasterMind1: the keyboard for the webpal is the exact same model |
| 22:58.24 | TheMasterMind1 | prpplague: yea, i know |
| 22:58.37 | TheMasterMind1 | i just wanna know if the code works on the webpal |
| 22:58.40 | TheMasterMind1 | ie, has it been tested |
| 22:58.51 | TheMasterMind1 | technically it should work on the zaurus too, but i'm struggling with it |
| 22:59.06 | TheMasterMind1 | damn irda vs cir |
| 22:59.24 | prpplague | TheMasterMind1: i test with it hard wired to the cradle of my z |
| 22:59.28 | prpplague | TheMasterMind1: and running OZ |
| 22:59.38 | TheMasterMind1 | prpplague: yea, i'm trying to get it working with the built in irda in the Z |
| 22:59.53 | TheMasterMind1 | instead of using the webpal cir via serial |
| 22:59.57 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: you sticking a UCB1400 on your webpal? |
| 23:01.11 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: for all intents and purposes, Pixil is done and ready to ship out the door |
| 23:01.16 | CosmicPenguin | Let the managment fencing begin! |
| 23:01.36 | TheMasterMind1 | hehe |
| 23:03.52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: cool |
| 23:04.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: naw, i've builts a new daughter board for my tuxscreen core |
| 23:05.15 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: ahh, cute... |
| 23:05.56 | Russ|werk | wb TheMasterMind1 |
| 23:06.23 | prpplague | TheMasterMind1: there's the man to ask about the ir |
| 23:06.33 | prpplague | TheMasterMind1: since he's the author of the tuxxscreen code |
| 23:07.52 | TheMasterMind1 | Russ|werk: hey |
| 23:07.58 | TheMasterMind1 | prpplague: yea, i talked to him about it |
| 23:08.27 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm trying to figure out still how to get the zaurus irda to recieve stuff properly |
| 23:08.37 | TheMasterMind1 | i was tweaking the registers and the data coming in was different |
| 23:08.48 | TheMasterMind1 | but i have yet to find the right combination to produce the proper data input |
| 23:08.53 | bgelb | w00t! |
| 23:08.57 | bgelb | wireless kdb works now |
| 23:09.18 | TheMasterMind1 | we need a wiki for the webpal |
| 23:09.27 | TheMasterMind1 | someone set one up on elinux.org |
| 23:09.29 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: read the sa1110 developers manual under irda |
| 23:09.31 | TheMasterMind1 | i can't figure out how |
| 23:09.40 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: hmm, that thing is so huge.. |
| 23:09.57 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yep, i have it printed here. its invaluable if your'e doing anything with the sa1110 |
| 23:10.00 | TheMasterMind1 | bgelb: where can i print 250 pages double sided for cheap |
| 23:10.05 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:10.16 | TheMasterMind1 | other than tj ofcourse |
| 23:10.18 | Russ|werk | TheMasterMind1: not thi irda section |
| 23:10.28 | Russ|werk | TheMasterMind1: your local university |
| 23:10.31 | TheMasterMind1 | Russ|werk: hmm, true, i could just print that out |
| 23:10.46 | TheMasterMind1 | Russ|werk: i'm still in highschool, and i don't particularly want to get bitched at for eating toner |
| 23:10.49 | bgelb | TheMasterMind1: nowhere |
| 23:11.00 | bgelb | TheMasterMind1: got any friends who work in an office? |
| 23:11.00 | bgelb | heh |
| 23:11.07 | TheMasterMind1 | bgelb: no.. |
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| 23:11.10 | bgelb | TheMasterMind1: Maybe you could print in CS lab if you promised to make available |
| 23:11.11 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, maybe my dad can |
| 23:11.20 | TheMasterMind1 | bgelb: what about kinko's or something? |
| 23:11.26 | bgelb | hmmm |
| 23:11.29 | bgelb | you'd pay |
| 23:11.32 | TheMasterMind1 | right |
| 23:11.35 | bgelb | don't you have a laser printer? |
| 23:11.39 | TheMasterMind1 | if its cheap its fine with me |
| 23:11.41 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, i do actually |
| 23:11.42 | TheMasterMind1 | there's an idea |
| 23:11.46 | bgelb | use that |
| 23:11.48 | TheMasterMind1 | not sure how much toner i have though |
| 23:11.49 | bgelb | might take an hour |
| 23:11.51 | bgelb | well |
| 23:11.51 | CosmicPenguin | .05 a page isn't too bad for a printed manual... :) |
| 23:11.53 | TheMasterMind1 | i think i have a new toner in the basement |
| 23:11.54 | bgelb | find oout =P |
| 23:12.17 | TheMasterMind1 | i have enough toner, what i don't have is paper |
| 23:12.31 | TheMasterMind1 | sad. |
| 23:12.40 | sjhill | sorphin: got the package...thx a bunch |
| 23:12.43 | prpplague | bgelb: ya if i could ever find time to get my page up and running i'd like to put webpal stuff on it |
| 23:13.04 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, i hate how wiki doesn't like html |
| 23:13.10 | TheMasterMind1 | we need a html->wiki convertor |
| 23:13.23 | bgelb | goodness |
| 23:13.31 | bgelb | I have 3 20 reem boxes of paper |
| 23:13.35 | bgelb | heh |
| 23:13.36 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: hmm, so is the release event returning 0,0 what is screwing it up? |
| 23:13.36 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: did you consider my offer? |
| 23:13.44 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: nope |
| 23:13.45 | TheMasterMind1 | bgelb: wow, lot of paper |
| 23:13.47 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: :) |
| 23:13.52 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: so the data is just fucked up then |
| 23:13.53 | bgelb | sale |
| 23:13.57 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: but the pressure readings are accurate now |
| 23:13.57 | bgelb | and my dad works at home so |
| 23:14.00 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: working on x/y |
| 23:14.04 | bgelb | he'll use it sooner or later |
| 23:14.06 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: heh, progress.. |
| 23:14.09 | TheMasterMind1 | bgelb: yea |
| 23:14.12 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yep, one step at a time |
| 23:14.12 | bgelb | bbl |
| 23:15.14 | TheMasterMind1 | bbiaf, going to go print this irda section |
| 23:18.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: sorry, which one is that? |
| 23:18.33 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: about the web space? |
| 23:18.54 | TheMasterMind1 | Intel\x{00AE} SA-1110 Microprocessor Developer's Manual |
| 23:18.56 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ohh, i got a web hosting service for $11 a month |
| 23:18.56 | TheMasterMind1 | that right? |
| 23:18.59 | Russ|werk | TheMasterMind1: I said "your local university" not "your university" |
| 23:19.13 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: just don't have anyone/anytime to do the page yet |
| 23:19.30 | TheMasterMind1 | Russ|werk: lol :) |
| 23:19.33 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: ahh |
| 23:23.25 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: thanks for the offere anyway |
| 23:23.49 | TheMasterMind1 | WHOA... you mean i don't have to randomly turn registers on and off.. it TELLS me what each one does! |
| 23:23.52 | TheMasterMind1 | this is amazing |
| 23:24.00 | prpplague | lol |
| 23:24.28 | prpplague | TheMasterMind1: ya its a different ball park than dealing with sharp for mysterious chip code |
| 23:25.28 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: or sigma designs |
| 23:26.09 | TheMasterMind1 | is there stuff like this for the keyboard side too? |
| 23:26.24 | TheMasterMind1 | how its sending the data |
| 23:28.10 | Russ|werk | TheMasterMind1: no |
| 23:28.14 | TheMasterMind1 | The HP-SIR enable (HSE) bit controls whether the HP-SIR bit modulation logic is enabled or disabled. When HSE=0, HP-SIR modulation is disabled, and if UART operation is enabled (ITR=0), it is used for normal serial transmission (NRZ encoding only) rather than IrDA communication. |
| 23:28.17 | TheMasterMind1 | that's what i want right |
| 23:28.22 | Russ|werk | TheMasterMind1: not that I found, it was very easy to RE though |
| 23:28.36 | TheMasterMind1 | i want to recieve it as normal serial transmission |
| 23:28.46 | Russ|werk | TheMasterMind1: not my area really |
| 23:28.55 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: thats the Sejin protocol, right? |
| 23:29.19 | Russ|werk | TheMasterMind1: you want whatever the LIRC project uses to receive stuff from remote controls |
| 23:29.54 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: ya, it was easier than decoding ps/2 communications |
| 23:29.59 | TheMasterMind1 | CosmicPenguin: yea, the sejin keyboard |
| 23:31.41 | prpplague | TheMasterMind1: sejin website has the complete specs including the protocol it uses |
| 23:31.42 | Russ|werk | it just sends serial octets over the CIR port |
| 23:32.24 | Russ|werk | so for him, its a matter of reading octets over the irda port, but undoing the modulation thing |
| 23:32.25 | prpplague | Russ|werk: hey i meant to ask, why the odd baud rate in the code, iirc 2466 8,O,1 ? |
| 23:33.03 | Russ|werk | prpplague: ya, thats from a) looking at the CIR output on a scope with CosmicPenguin, and b) looking at the serial register from within inferno |
| 23:33.44 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: you mean SpaceCoaster? |
| 23:33.57 | prpplague | Russ|werk: i seem to get more consistant response with 2400,8,N,1 |
| 23:34.52 | Russ|werk | er, ya SC, not CP |
| 23:35.04 | Russ|werk | prpplague: thats what was in inferno |
| 23:35.07 | Russ|werk | (the odd one) |
| 23:35.31 | Russ|werk | prpplague: note that the timeout code in shannon_irkbd is broken |
| 23:35.34 | prpplague | Russ|werk: so how would tweak a x86 platform to use 2466? |
| 23:35.35 | Russ|werk | (iirc) |
| 23:35.39 | CosmicPenguin | TheMasterMind1: The modulation shouldn't be too bad... this web page might be helpful: http://www.hw.cz/english/docs/irda/irda.html |
| 23:35.50 | TheMasterMind1 | muchas gracias |
| 23:35.55 | Russ|werk | prpplague: *shurg* |
| 23:36.19 | prpplague | Russ|werk: i have a sejin ir receive that plug directly into a pc serial port |
| 23:36.21 | sorphin | sjhill: no prob |
| 23:36.29 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: he's technically not looking to do irda, its basically a hack |
| 23:36.56 | prpplague | Russ|werk: its the same receiver as the one in the webpal, with no logic, just straight connect to the rs-232 level |
| 23:37.09 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: That should cover the 4ppm modulation anway |
| 23:37.20 | Russ|werk | http://www.lirc.org/irda.html |
| 23:38.55 | TheMasterMind1 | hmmf, lirc.org is down |
| 23:39.07 | CosmicPenguin | And thank your lucky starts that you don't have to play with TWIRP |
| 23:39.18 | Russ|werk | http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/ConsumerIR |
| 23:39.19 | TheMasterMind1 | hm, down from only my box |
| 23:39.21 | TheMasterMind1 | how interesting |
| 23:39.26 | Russ|werk | http://www.rit.edu/~tfs1812/ |
| 23:40.11 | kergoth | Russ|werk: so you emulate CIR with SIR? per the link on the lirc page? |
| 23:40.20 | Russ|werk | I think portions of the shannon_irkbd code were originially from lirc code (long, long long ago) |
| 23:40.26 | Russ|werk | kergoth: no, I thought I had to at first |
| 23:40.31 | kergoth | ah |
| 23:40.31 | Russ|werk | kergoth: but the shannon has a CIR receiver |
| 23:40.40 | kergoth | Russ|werk: ahh |
| 23:40.41 | Russ|werk | kergoth: TheMasterMind1 has to though |
| 23:40.42 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: the webpal doesn't, but we do |
| 23:40.48 | TheMasterMind1 | lucky us |
| 23:40.52 | TheMasterMind1 | i looked at the lirc_sir code |
| 23:40.57 | TheMasterMind1 | didn't understand too much |
| 23:41.05 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: http://www.ita.chalmers.se/~svinto/hypermail/irda/1999-07/0073.html <-may be useful |
| 23:41.05 | TheMasterMind1 | i tried the initialization that they were using |
| 23:41.07 | TheMasterMind1 | it didn't work |
| 23:42.06 | Russ|werk | http://www.purple.dropbear.id.au/zaurus/ <- probably what you want |
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| 23:43.16 | Russ|werk | but you just want the code from the LIRC irda stuff, not lirc |
| 23:44.23 | CosmicPenguin | too much fun |
| 23:44.49 | TheMasterMind1 | Russ|werk: i've already played with lirc. i've built a similiar module for the openzaurus feeds. i've also tested with the keyboard, lirc properly recognizes the keystrokes that come in. the program is, i need those signals to be actual keyevents which means i need an irkbd driver. its jsut a matter of figuring out how lirc_sir does it, and copying that code into shannon_irkbd |
| 23:44.58 | TheMasterMind1 | unfortunately, i can't seem to be able to do that |
| 23:45.24 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll fiddle with it some more, i'll get it eventually |
| 23:45.36 | Russ|werk | printk is your friend |
| 23:45.59 | TheMasterMind1 | true that |
| 23:48.00 | sieve | good night all |