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01:55.32sorphinre you 2 haxors you
01:55.34prpplagueCosmicPenguin: lo
01:56.51prpplaguesorphin: ho
01:57.16CosmicPenguinprpplague: no
01:57.25prpplaguemoooooo
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01:57.48sorphinprpplague: bitch
01:57.52CosmicPenguinJust goes to show, there are only two things that come out of texas
01:58.05sorphinCosmicPenguin: shit and more shit ?
01:58.45prpplagueanyone built gdb yet with arm support?
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01:59.00prpplagueGPSFan: mooooo
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01:59.11GPSFancool...
01:59.17sorphinprpplague: give it a rest
01:59.29prpplaguesorphin: ya ya, i had to do it for GPSFan
01:59.33GPSFanprpplague: has discovered ascii art.
01:59.40GPSFanthanks,
01:59.41sorphinGPSFan: i dunno bout that
01:59.51sorphinascii art is the grinch on my desktop at work ;)
01:59.59prpplaguejust thought i'd liven things up tonight
02:00.07GPSFanthat's what cows do, moo & poo..
02:00.14sorphinprp; you can give suggestions on my new box ;p
02:00.44prpplaguehmm, looks like shit, and smells like it too
02:00.50prpplaguesorphin: url?
02:00.53prpplaguesorphin: specs?
02:01.21prpplaguei've been so far out of peecee's lately i have no idea whats the latest
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02:02.08CosmicPenguinMy cats are stalking my printer
02:04.26sorphinprpplague: heh, no url, trying to decide what to go after
02:04.57prpplaguesorphin: hard call dude
02:05.30prpplaguesorphin: pc's are like auto's, why buy a mac truck when all you need is nissan pickup
02:06.18prpplagueGPSFan: you have any problems compiling gdb with arm and rdp?
02:07.20GPSFanprpplague: i didn't compile it I used the binary from: http://www.anycities.com/user/webpal/gdb-50-arm-wrs.gz
02:07.32sorphinthat's the one i grabbed
02:07.35sorphinstill waiting on the samps tho
02:08.02GPSFansorphin: mine took 8 days from request to mailbox.
02:09.35prpplaguemaxim samples?
02:09.40GPSFanyep
02:10.24prpplaguei've got to get some more caps, since i got acp instead of the cpe
02:10.47prpplaguedam gdb is huge
02:11.33GPSFan1.7M
02:12.04prpplaguei wonder if the boss would get mad if i set up a a fisher-price POS for his demo friday?
02:12.31GPSFanthe arm native version running on my WP is 1.3M
02:12.43prpplagueGPSFan: hmm, what i dl'd was 14mb
02:13.07GPSFanmust be the source, I just dl 5.3 ant that was about what it was.\
02:13.42prpplagueGPSFan: ya source
02:14.55GPSFanI just started slogging through the README
02:21.30prpplagueweird, i did a make install and it says it installed but nothing seems to have been moved into place :(
02:22.34sorphinprpplague: do a make -n ?
02:22.40sorphinsee where it thinks it's putting it
02:42.24prpplagueGPSFan: hey didn't you say there was a way to connect at 115200 ?
02:43.19GPSFanonly after you flash the image
02:44.44GPSFanprpplague: I just built gdb5.3 using the "seperate directory" method and it built just fine, runs too. I'm now going to try a different target. 5.3 is big, 5+MB
02:48.42GPSFanbbl
02:50.14prpplagueanyone know where the source for wpflash is?
03:00.05GPSFanhttp://webpal.bigbrd.com/wpflash.c
03:00.19prpplagueGPSFan: well she flashed
03:00.57sorphinprpplague: yo
03:01.01prpplagueGPSFan: bummer, hardcoded for ttyS0
03:01.05prpplaguesorphin: ho
03:01.06sorphinprpplague: you remember where on sharp's site that schem is ?
03:01.17prpplagueho and a bottle of rum
03:01.31prpplaguesorphin: under hardware reference stuff
03:01.34sorphinprpplague: don't you mean a bottle of guinness
03:01.36sorphin?
03:01.40prpplaguethat too
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03:02.42sorphinprpplague: is that in the approved only section or the section i'd have before approval?
03:03.46prpplaguesorphin: well i tried to go there, but it seems the site has changed
03:04.13sorphinyeah
03:04.38prpplaguesorphin: http://www.zaurus.com/dev/support/operation.htm
03:04.50prpplaguesorphin: at the bottom serial I/F
03:04.59sorphink
03:06.13prpplagueshe's booting
03:07.25prpplaguerecognizes the dual bank 32
03:08.07sorphinprpplague: speaking of that mem
03:08.13sorphinwhat you want for a couple of them
03:09.02prpplaguesorphin: beer
03:09.19sorphinheh
03:09.20prpplaguesorphin: you got anything local that i've not tried before?
03:09.30sorphin'i have no idea
03:09.40sorphin'anheiser busch is HQ'd here
03:09.52CosmicPenguinwierd... my USB has gone all crazy like
03:10.00CosmicPenguinreboot again (this is getting old)
03:10.20prpplaguesorphin: ewww
03:10.36sorphinprpplague: they make tons of stuff *shrug*
03:10.55prpplaguesorphin: so do cows
03:11.17sorphinheh
03:11.23sorphin'you asked *shrug*
03:11.52prpplaguesorphin: in the beer realm saying AB is kinda like say M$
03:11.59prpplaguesorphin: baaaaaaaad
03:12.16prpplaguewell looks like the 16's and 32's work
03:12.45prpplaguei think i ought to buy a couple hundred of these things and just sell my mods for them
03:13.02file[bed]prpplague: could certainly pay for a nice vacation
03:13.15prpplaguefile[bed]: no money expect to break even
03:13.25file[bed]prpplague: well gah
03:14.30sorphinprpplague: remember which of these 2 file sin the sio zipfile ?
03:15.12prpplaguenaw
03:15.24file[bed]night everyone
03:16.04sorphink
03:16.30prpplaguesorphin: how many sticks you need
03:16.50file[bed]prpplague: I could go for 2 32MB SIMMs :)
03:17.03prpplagueibot: tell file
03:17.10file[bed]:)
03:17.17file[bed]you'll have to tell me yourself
03:17.29prpplaguei'm not loosing anything else to the canadian customs
03:18.02file[bed]they hate me
03:21.35sorphinprpplague: just 2
03:21.59sorphinprpplague: lemme guess.. file begging like a dog? :P
03:23.22prpplaguesorphin: lol
03:23.34prpplaguesorphin: remind me tomorrow
03:23.56sorphinprpplague: righto
03:23.59prpplaguebbl, son wants "do alittle fragin"
03:24.02sorphinprpplague: i owe ya
03:24.11prpplagueya ya
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03:26.57CosmicPenguinSeesh - no matter what I do, this damn driver keeps locking my system hard
03:29.46sorphinwhoa
03:29.50sorphinit's sjhill on TV *smirk*
03:30.06CosmicPenguinreally?
03:30.24sorphinno, not really.. but it was a deranged man in Cedar Rapids, IA
03:31.38CosmicPenguinsorphin: sounds about right... :)
03:32.43sorphinspeaking of deranged
03:32.48sorphinkergoth: evening chris ;)
03:32.55kergothhey
03:33.00kergothI'm in a bad mood, fyi
03:33.03kergothI need to beat the shit out of something
03:33.05kergoth_but_
03:33.08kergothmy punching bag isnt hung up :(
03:33.25sorphinkergoth: so do like i used to/like prpplague's kid is?
03:33.57kergothplay games?
03:34.03sorphinFRAG!
03:34.07kergothheh
03:34.10kergothdoesnt work
03:34.14kergothi need to *HIT* something
03:34.17kergothnot the same
03:34.18kergothheh
03:34.20sorphinheh
03:34.48sorphinCosmicPenguin: eh ?
03:35.10kergoth?
03:36.18sorphinheh
03:36.21sorphinhe go p00f
03:40.44kergothsorphin: I think the god refused his pleas.
03:41.43sorphinkergoth: something like that
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03:55.08CosmicPenguinWoo-hoo!  The University of Utah has just upset the #1 basketball team in the country
03:55.42sorphinCosmicPenguin: btw..
03:55.55sorphinCosmicPenguin: the god of fat nerds ignored your plea :P
03:56.07CosmicPenguinsorphin: yeah, I noticed that
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03:59.03CosmicPenguinlets try again
03:59.22sorphinCosmicPenguin: nahhhh
03:59.46sorphinkergoth: interesting how the windows rom update doesn't require a CF card, but the linux one does
04:02.44CosmicPenguinOk, so now it works
04:03.18kergothsorphin: indeed.
04:04.04sorphinsince i don't have any cards atm
04:14.18prpplaguekergoth: hey
04:14.37prpplaguekergoth: someone piss in you coffee cup at work?
04:15.30kergothprpplague: hah, no, I wouldnt need to hit something then
04:15.34kergothprpplague: I already would have. them.
04:15.46prpplaguekergoth: lol
04:15.50prpplaguekergoth: fun fun fun
04:16.09kergothif i cant hit something, i can at least drink
04:16.27prpplaguekergoth: bad day at digi?
04:17.05kergothnaw, just in a foul mood in general.
04:17.20prpplagueahh, need a trip to the nudie bar then
04:17.31prpplaguethat always cheers me up
04:18.00kergothnah, I'm not in the mood to see women I wont be taking home
04:18.02kergoth!
04:18.02kergothheh
04:18.14prpplaguelol
04:18.52prpplagueya well, funny thing is, i can walk into a nudie bar with a couple of k and i'll still have every ugly woman sit at my table
04:19.22kergothhaha, i hate that
04:19.33kergothI'm not rude either, so i end up talking to them.. so they dont go away
04:19.33prpplaguecurse of the geek i guess
04:19.40prpplagueexactly
04:20.16prpplague"ahh, ma'am, i here to see some really good stuff, so like, like could you go the hell away!"
04:21.02kergothhehe
04:21.16prpplaguekergoth: you _are_ gonna go to OLS right?
04:21.19kergothexactly. "Well the thing is.. I'd rather talk to _them_, not _you_!"
04:21.29kergothyeah I need to go this year
04:21.51prpplaguekergoth: ya well i have a _vip_ card for the best place in ottawa
04:21.59prpplaguekergoth: it'll be fun
04:22.10kergothexcellent.
04:23.04prpplaguekergoth: talk about fun, wait till you get a couple of pint's into rmk, he'll talk your ear off, lol
04:23.16kergothhah
04:24.06prpplagueCosmicPenguin: you off tomorrow?
04:25.49sorphinprpplague: heh, i'll go.. if i can
04:25.55prpplaguesorphin: fun
04:25.59prpplaguesorphin: bring some cash
04:26.15kergothsorphin: nice
04:26.23prpplaguekergoth: erikm and i shared a room last year
04:26.24sorphinprpplague: i usually travel w/ 1-2k :P
04:26.31sorphinprpplague: that enough?
04:26.53prpplaguesorphin: that ought to be enough for a night or two
04:26.55prpplague:)
04:27.02sorphin'heh
04:27.05sorphinnight or 2 eh
04:27.17kergothheh
04:27.23prpplaguesorphin / kergoth : just remember in ottawa it's legal to touch :)
04:27.38sorphinwoulda lasted way past my trip to vegas had i not spent $800 on an "outcall" :P
04:27.52kergothhah
04:29.07prpplaguelol
04:29.42sorphinya ya laugh it up
04:29.44prpplaguei need to start doing consultanting for all these caribean clients
04:30.20prpplagueget me some good linux geeks together, make some good money and enjoy the sun/fun
04:30.32sorphinconsider it.. an expensive.. mistake
04:30.56prpplaguekergoth: i'm tellin ya dude, you need to come down and let me hook you up with a big hair'd east texas girl
04:31.13prpplaguesorphin: ahh vegas
04:32.04sorphinprpplague: on the serious side.. would 1-2k be enough?
04:32.15prpplaguewell....., now that i have my webpal tuxified, i've got to get some sleep
04:32.23prpplaguesorphin: hell ya, its canadain money
04:32.28prpplaguesorphin: goes twice as far
04:32.45prpplaguesorphin: 1us=2ca
04:32.57prpplaguesorphin: 2 dances for the price of one :)
04:33.09kergothnice.
04:33.38sorphinheh
04:33.42sorphini still have $15 CDN
04:33.54sorphinfrom when i went to england
04:34.02sorphinbought stuff in canada and forgot to exchange this
04:34.18prpplaguefunny story about how i found this place, me and about 5 other geeks were eating dinner watching the women walk by in the window.....
04:34.49prpplaguewe saw this hot blonde walk by and checking her out, she saw us and i waved....
04:35.00prpplagueshe turned around and came into the restaurant
04:35.01sorphinnod
04:35.23prpplagueshe sat down with us and announced she was a stripper and invited us down
04:35.38prpplaguegave us a bunch of free passes
04:35.50kergothhaha
04:35.52kergothnice
04:36.06prpplaguenone of the other guys were brave enough to go with me so i used all their passes!
04:36.12sorphinha
04:36.14prpplaguesorphin: what?
04:36.20prpplaguesorphin: how old are you?
04:36.54kergothsorphin: you're deprived!
04:37.08CosmicPenguinprpplague: no
04:37.11CosmicPenguin(on the off tommorrow)
04:37.17sorphinprpplague: 27
04:37.22prpplagueCosmicPenguin: ahh
04:37.27Lethalunless you live in SF, then avoiding them is a good thing :P
04:37.32prpplaguesorphin: need some education then dude
04:37.47prpplagueLethal: lol, i _agree_ with that
04:38.03prpplagueLethal: linuxworld SF wasn't a great place to be for nudie bars
04:38.10sorphinLethal: heh, i oughta hit diamond just to try and find that chick that was in BB trying to get a cell
04:38.11prpplagueLethal: you in SF?
04:38.36Lethalprpplague, linuxworld SF was fine for the free alcohol at the sistina party tho :P
04:38.56prpplagueLethal: ya we partied at the thirsty bear, great beer
04:39.06Lethalprpplague, no, I used to live out there in santa clara and san jose, but moved away around march or so
04:39.27Lethalused to work in sunnyvale
04:39.49prpplagueLethal: worst place i've worked though is seattle
04:39.52LethalI liked it, having fry's around was nice :P
04:40.00sorphinfry's was cute
04:40.00prpplagueseattle is like a third world country
04:40.05sorphinchecked it out when i was out there few months ago
04:40.17sorphinprpplague: heh, i liked seattle
04:40.25Lethalfry's rules, especially when you want ramen, porn, and a prom burner all at the same time :P
04:40.31prpplagueLethal: the cost of living is way too expensive there
04:40.42prpplagueLethal: ROTFL
04:41.01sorphinLethal: they had pr0n? i musta missed that
04:41.02Lethalprpplague, when I was in santa clara I was in a small apartment, later in san jose I rented a three bedroom house and paid 100$ a month less :P
04:41.08prpplagueLethal: they sell prom burners?
04:41.09Lethalsorphin, yes, its next to the childrens aisle
04:41.12Lethalprpplague, yeah
04:41.18prpplagueLethal: and pr0n?
04:41.19sorphinLethal: ROTFL
04:41.24Lethalprpplague, yes
04:41.31prpplagueLethal: beer?
04:41.40Lethalprpplague, didn't look, had enough at the office :P
04:41.53prpplaguelol, well 2 out of 3 aint bad
04:41.59kergothhaha
04:43.16Lethalramen was a necessity though, since everything closed so fucking early
04:43.34Lethaleven castro st. in mountain view shut down by 2am :P
04:43.35prpplagueLethal: my entire monthly bills are less than $1200, i'm buying a house on a 10 year loan and making payments of $365 a month
04:43.41sorphinmmmmm ramen
04:43.57kergothprpplague: damn!
04:44.01prpplaguemmmmm prom burner
04:44.12Lethalprpplague, wow, pigfucker :P
04:44.34prpplaguehey, like i said, its way cheap around here
04:44.41Lethalwhere are you at?
04:44.46prpplagueproblem is its a geek dead zone
04:44.55prpplagueeast texas, tyler to be exact
04:44.59kergoth365.. jeeze. i pay just under that for _car insurance_ a month alone!
04:45.04kergothbleh
04:45.12sorphinmy car ins is 133 now
04:45.15sorphindamn accidents
04:45.22prpplaguekergoth: i have full coverage on two new cars for $78 a month
04:45.28kergothi had one accident, my parents were covering the insurance.. they let it lapse
04:45.37prpplaguedoh
04:45.46kergothI got ticketed for no insurance, lost my license for 30 days, and ended up with a $4000 judgement against me on my credit record
04:45.53kergothnot to mention the skyrocketed insurance for 5 years
04:45.56LethalI had an accident too, fucker rear-ended me in a driveway. wasn't even in my fucking car :P
04:45.57kergoth"thanks mom!"
04:45.57prpplaguekergoth: ofcourse low insurance also has to do with me being an old fart
04:46.05Lethalfucking mexicans :P
04:46.14kergothLethal: hah, damn
04:46.18prpplagueLethal: ROTFL
04:46.29Lethalwasn't a small driveway either
04:46.35Lethalfucker tried really hard to be incompetent, I swear
04:46.46kergothapparently succeeded
04:46.48prpplaguekergoth: man you got screwed
04:46.49Lethalindeed
04:47.07sorphinbefore these, my ins on my new car, full cov, was 90ish
04:47.21kergothprpplague: no kidding
04:47.25Lethalthe only thing worse then that was a mexican sushi bar in sunnyvale
04:47.29Lethalthat took years off my life
04:47.44Lethalthey need laws against that shit
04:47.45kergoth*mexican* sushi bar?
04:47.47kergothegad
04:47.50Lethalyeah
04:47.55Lethalnot cool, at all
04:47.56Lethal:P
04:48.18sorphinumm
04:48.23sorphinsushi in general is yuck
04:48.23Lethalits like taco bell with wasabi :P
04:48.34Lethalsorphin, non believer :P
04:49.37sorphinLethal: i detest mex food
04:49.55Lethalsorphin, yeah, I'm not a huge fan either. non-mexican sushi is fine tho :P
04:49.56sorphinprpplague: prolly a good thing i've never seen that show
04:50.10sorphinLethal: i don't like raw, anything really
04:50.20Lethalsorphin, though looking back, I'm not quite sure what I was expecting from a place named "we be sushi"
04:50.45sorphinhehe
04:50.52kergothsorphin: vegetables fresh off the plant is the only thing i eat uncooked :)
04:51.01sorphinkergoth: not me
04:51.22kergothtomatoes for example
04:51.24kergothgood stuff
04:51.25sorphinheh
04:51.36kergothi dont often
04:51.47kergothbut once in a while, its like damn, i forgot what corn tastes like!
04:54.08CosmicPenguinprpplague: talk to you tmorrow
04:55.10Lethalthis emma processor sucks ass at decoding porn at any sensible speed
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04:57.08Lethalstupid slow nec silicon
04:59.00Lethalthey really need to think of these things before mass producing
05:01.32prpplaguelater guys
05:04.47Lethalfuck it, time to rewrite the pci dma stuff
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14:38.11filehi andersee
14:38.20anderseefile: morning
14:38.41fileandersee: $17.30 CAD with tax for a 4 port 10Mbps netgear hub, good/bad?
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15:03.56anderseefile: I bought a 5-port SMC 10/100 auto-sensing switch for like $30 new
15:04.06anderseefile: you can get such things on ebay for cheap
15:04.14anderseefile: for example http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2083067731
15:04.58sorphinandersee: and the seller will regret it
15:05.47anderseefile: here is one for $30
15:05.52anderseefile: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11179&item=2084606486
15:06.04anderseeI've been very happy with mine
15:06.25sorphinnow if it'll just make it past canadian customs ;)
15:06.29anderseeDon't even need to use cross-over cables -- it figures out whether to cross over internally
15:07.43fileandersee: I have a $50 gift card at Radioshack
15:10.12anderseefile: buy a bunch of rechargable AA batteries
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15:44.17sorphinCosmicPenguin: morning
15:45.20CosmicPenguinsorphin: same back atcha
15:45.37sorphinCosmicPenguin: any news on the cosmic side?
15:45.46CosmicPenguineh?
15:46.09sorphinanything new? :P
15:46.10CosmicPenguinOh
15:46.14CosmicPenguinNo, everything cool
15:46.38sorphinthe only side i see here :P
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16:02.06sorphinsieve: morning
16:27.52sievemorning sorphin
16:28.19filethey had 1 left
16:42.02kergothmorning
16:42.08sorphinlo chris
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17:13.47sorphinprpplague: lo whore
17:14.17prpplaguesorphin: thats right, i'm a hardware/software whore
17:14.32prpplaguesorphin: promise the customer the sky and moon, and then bend me over for money
17:14.44sorphin'yup
17:14.47sorphinprpplague: speaking of whoring
17:14.54sorphinyou said to remind you about hte mem ;)
17:14.54kergothhey dave
17:15.46prpplaguesorphin: ya ya, no shipping today so you'll have to wait till the 2nd
17:16.00sorphini know, that's fine
17:16.09sorphin:P
17:16.17sorphinyou'll need my addr anyways :P
17:16.24prpplagueibot: prpplague
17:16.26it has been said that prpplague is mailto:dave123@abcsinc.com or Dave Anders
17:16.33prpplaguekergoth: morning
17:16.50prpplaguekergoth: you gotten any further on the digi connect?
17:17.16sorphinprpplague: how were you gonna ship? (that determines work or home addr)
17:17.30prpplaguesorphin: ups ground
17:18.12sorphinprpplague: k
17:18.55sorphinprpplague: mail sent mr pos sir *grin*
17:19.10prpplaguelol
17:23.56prpplagueCosmicPenguin: hey, i've almost finished getting things together
17:24.04prpplagueCosmicPenguin: you be around tonight?
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17:31.50CosmicPenguinprpplague: of course... :)
17:31.56CosmicPenguinprpplague: for a while - I'm such a loser
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17:48.12prpplagueCosmicPenguin: ya well so am i
17:50.46prpplagueanyone else order stuff from jameco?
17:50.57sorphinprpplague: not recently, but i have before
17:51.46prpplaguesorphin: i ordered some max232cpe's and they sent the equivalant of max232acp's, think i ought to call and complain?
17:52.17sorphinprpplague: i would, as much as jameco charges ;)
17:52.23sorphinthey could atleast send the right stuff
17:56.02CosmicPenguinand sed hate CosmicPenguin
17:56.54Russ|werks/hate/wants to kill/
18:01.52kergothprpplague: I havent touched the connect since I opened the damn box. heh. its on the todo, just a number of items farther up on the list
18:01.59prpplaguesorphin: hmm, does the max232acp use electrolytic or tant's?
18:06.56sorphinprpplague: you can use tants
18:07.05sorphini think
18:08.11prpplaguesorphin: ya just checked the specs i can use ceramics
18:11.46prpplaguesorphin: well looks like jameco is gonna send some replacement caps
18:14.22Russ|werkoi, just had a client call saying her network didn't work...
18:14.42Russ|werkgot to talking, and she got the email saying that there is a virus going around that norton doesn't detect
18:14.49Russ|werkand to delete the file <fill in the blank>
18:14.56Russ|werkso she did it on *all* the computers
18:15.40prpplagueha good one
18:16.54CosmicPenguinThat is so sad
18:26.07prpplagueCosmicPenguin: you gonna get setup to make your rs-232 adapter
18:26.11prpplagueCosmicPenguin: ?
18:26.40CosmicPenguinprpplague: yeah, I guess.  I gotta order the stuff
18:26.57prpplagueCosmicPenguin: local or digikey/jameco ?
18:30.28CosmicPenguinprpplague: I dunno... there is a local shop, but there is no guarntee that they'll have everything I need
18:30.41CosmicPenguinprpplague: you just did yours on a breadboard?
18:31.28prpplagueCosmicPenguin: ya on perf board, would have been alot easier had i used the max233 instead
18:32.44prpplaguebbiaf, lunch
18:33.10Russ|werkyou could always do one inside a 25pin or 9 pin serial adaptor
18:33.28Russ|werkthen it just looks like a normal adapter, but its "special"
18:33.45sorphinheh
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18:43.24sorphinGPSFan: allo ken
18:43.31sorphinGPSFan: or should i say mr webpal ;)
18:49.10GPSFanhi sorphin:
18:49.48sorphinsup ?
19:02.15GPSFanlunch.
19:02.31sorphinnod
19:04.54GPSFanjust got back from a client's, not much going on today, maybe I'll get some more work done on getting gdb renning remotely om my WP.
19:32.27CosmicPenguin"Its starting to look alot like Christmas"
19:32.38CosmicPenguin(about damn time, too)
19:33.35sorphinummm
19:35.08MornCosmicPenguin: You work with tv listings right?
19:35.45sorphinMorn: that mail was from me btw
19:35.53MornI figured as much :-)
19:37.15sorphinprpplague: and there's the purplePOSeater
19:37.53prpplagueGPSFan: any problems implementing you max233 chip?
19:39.45GPSFanprpplague: my max233 contraption worked right off, although I broke the vcc wire off J11 while I was photographing it.
19:40.29prpplagueGPSFan: i was thinking about ordering some max233's
19:40.44prpplagueGPSFan: maybe the dual driver set
19:41.43GPSFanprpplague: for prototyping it is nice not to have wo put the caps on, for production, maybe the cost would be an issue.
19:42.04GPSFans/wo/to
19:42.44prpplagueGPSFan: right
19:43.58CosmicPenguinMorn: nah - it just finally started to snow
19:44.47CosmicPenguinPixil is alive, alive I tell you!
19:45.27MornAlive?
19:45.28Morncool
19:45.44CosmicPenguindoh
19:47.34sorphinCosmicPenguin: you're cursed
19:47.52prpplagueanyone joining the FSF ?
19:48.47prpplagueanyone gotten a copy of the ELC specs yet?
19:48.56sorphinno, and huh ?
19:49.20prpplaguesorphin: http://www.embedded-linux.org/
19:49.55prpplagueanyone know who is maintaining the elinux.org site?
19:50.23sorphinprpplague: prolly tim
19:50.52CosmicPenguinprpplague: we are supposed to be a part of the ELC - lemme check to see if we got any docs
19:52.00prpplaguehmm, where do you add pages on this wiki?
19:53.11prpplagueibot: seen BZFlag
19:53.20bzflag <timr@216.190.31.164.yoda.infowest.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 1d 14h 11m 6s ago, saying: 'cya'.
19:53.41CosmicPenguinprpplague: nope, no specs.  They wanted $25,000 to continue our membership, so we told em to sit on it and rotate
19:54.28prpplagueCosmicPenguin: what? $25k so they can tell you how to run your embedded biz?
19:54.34prpplagueCosmicPenguin: thats insane!
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20:04.45prpplagueanyone interested in maintaining a web site?
20:04.53filenah
20:10.39prpplaguekergoth: where are you running your OZ sites froms?
20:11.43kergothprpplague: openzaurus.org is still hosted off SF
20:15.27prpplaguekergoth: man i need someplace cheap
20:15.50prpplaguekergoth: i'm thinking about putting a hiden server on our network :)
20:16.12kergothhah
20:19.11prpplagueandersee: are you still running your web pages on the netwinder?
20:21.12CosmicPenguinprpplague: I can also offer a few pages on cosmicpenguin.net
20:22.12prpplagueCosmicPenguin: well i've got small-linux.com for another 5 years
20:22.20prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i'd like to set something up
20:22.35prpplagueCosmicPenguin: were are you hosting CosmicPenguin.net ?
20:24.58CosmicPenguinprpplague: A local company called KnowledgeBlue
20:25.17CosmicPenguinThey just finally set up my VDS today
20:25.27CosmicPenguinI also have a shared server where my other e-mail address lives
20:26.21fileCosmicPenguin: Virtual Dedicated Server?
20:26.26filethose are neat
20:26.52CosmicPenguinfile: yeah
20:27.17fileCosmicPenguin: act like a real server?
20:27.53CosmicPenguinfile: it should  -- Its actually getting set up while we speak, and I should have root and room to add my scripts and stuff
20:28.11fileCosmicPenguin: ahhhhh
20:28.18fileCosmicPenguin: I thought setup would be instant...
20:28.52CosmicPenguinfile: yeah, but these guys don't move as fast as you would expect... :)
20:29.57fileCosmicPenguin: hehe
20:58.00fileCosmicPenguin: ever use Xandros?
21:04.42anderseeprpplague: yes
21:10.44prpplagueandersee: pr0n server too?
21:12.27prpplagueanyone else done anything with signature capture devices?
21:12.47prpplaguethis freakin device is kicking my butt
21:15.44Russ|werksounds like tons of fun
21:17.27prpplagueRuss|werk: lots, got to do some stateful communcation with this thing and then i have to open a socket to the server to exchange the signature
21:17.58prpplagueRuss|werk: the manufacturer is totaly un-cooperative("why aren't you guys doing this in windows?")
21:18.55Russ|werkandersee: why is printf("%x") in uclibc doing it signed?
21:19.02Russ|werk0040: 60 ffffff8d 04 08
21:19.16Russ|werkprpplague: heh
21:19.21anderseeprpplague: nah.  My wife takes care of all the local need for blatent nudity
21:20.13prpplagueandersee: lol
21:20.20Russ|werker
21:20.22Russ|werknm, thats c
21:20.33Russ|werkchanging a signed char into a signed long
21:21.02prpplagueanyone know of some good code for stateful rs-232 communcations?
21:21.22Russ|werkprpplague: I'm confused with what you need
21:21.25Russ|werkprpplague: but maybe ppp?
21:21.55anderseeRuss|werk: signed?
21:22.02anderseeHmm
21:22.22prpplagueRuss|werk: psuedo code example -
21:23.05prpplagueRuss|werk: thinclient  <-> sigdevice
21:23.17Russ|werkI would just do an event loop with a select for states
21:23.34prpplagueRuss|werk: go online ->
21:23.43prpplagueRuss|werk:  <- ok
21:23.51prpplagueRuss|werk: start capture ->
21:23.57prpplagueRuss|werk:  <- ok
21:24.04prpplagueRuss|werk: <- done
21:24.14prpplagueRuss|werk: send sig ->
21:24.17Russ|werkandersee: I was passing a signed char to printf, c was converting it to a signed long (use an unsigned char, and it converts it to an unsigned long)
21:24.20prpplagueRuss|werk: <- sig
21:24.24prpplagueRuss|werk: ok ->
21:24.29prpplagueRuss|werk: go offline ->
21:24.54prpplagueRuss|werk: that kind of crap, with ack/nak's and all special codes
21:25.01Russ|werkand I assume timeouts too
21:25.16prpplagueRuss|werk: ya, and crc's and some encryption too
21:25.40Russ|werkpretty common thing to program
21:26.11prpplagueRuss|werk: agreed, but i have to make the other end be very simple for the accounting programmers to access :(
21:26.20Russ|werkyou can abstract it to whatever degree you want
21:26.36prpplagueRuss|werk: i.e. sigdevice("getsig")
21:27.20prpplagueRuss|werk: what kind of time frame would you expect to have something like that working, debugged and implemented on a production POS?
21:27.30Russ|werk..why not just make it socket based, socket, bind, listen, accept, talk to reader, send, close, etc
21:27.45Russ|werkit really depends on the amount of specs
21:27.45prpplagueRuss|werk: ya thats what i'm thinking
21:27.58prpplagueRuss|werk: rough estimate
21:28.36Russ|werkthe reverse engineering would be the most difficult part, so....
21:31.36prpplagueRuss|werk: i was looking at this - http://freshmeat.net/projects/async/?topic_id=809
21:33.52prpplagueRuss|werk: long story short, i have till the 6th
21:35.41fileprpplague: good luck
21:35.45Russ|werkwhy gtk?
21:35.54Russ|werkprpplague: I would just use a select/switch setup
21:36.00Russ|werkif you want quick
21:36.06Russ|werksee: udhcpc
21:36.30prpplagueRuss|werk: just looking at the code, not nessarily using the implementation
21:36.50prpplagueRuss|werk: ok thanks, i'll have a look
21:39.18Russ|werkhttp://busybox.net/cgi-bin/cvsweb/udhcp/dhcpc.c?rev=1.37&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup
21:40.12Russ|werkit has a timeout section, and two socket sections
21:41.54fileRuss|werk: you wrote that eh? nice
21:42.02Russ|werkyup
21:42.22Russ|werkthe signal handling went through many, many revisions until I finally found something without races
21:42.36Russ|werkthe code goes way over 80 columns in places, which I'm a little ashamed about
21:42.41prpplagueRuss|werk: hmm, is that part of bb?
21:43.01Russ|werkit can be either seperate, or a busybox applet
21:43.51prpplaguehmm, would be nice if i could put this functionality in bb
21:44.14Russ|werkwhich functionality, the signature reader?
21:44.35prpplagueRuss|werk: well technically the device does a wide range of things
21:45.05prpplagueRuss|werk: http://www.ingenico.com/products&solutions/terminals/touchscreentechnology/index.php
21:45.47prpplagueRuss|werk: credit cards, debit cards, sig capture, interactive menus
21:46.08prpplagueRuss|werk: i'm gonna have to get some sort of generic api running in the long run
21:46.53Russ|werkmaybe use the tuxscreen DSP phone stuff
21:47.48prpplagueRuss|werk: i think i'm gonna use some adult beverages instead......
21:47.52Russ|werkah
21:48.03Russ|werkok, so how will the frontend be written
21:48.10Russ|werkand what is the frontend
21:50.07Russ|werkfile: something new come out today?
21:50.30fileit was released yesterday, but they just update their entries every few weeks...
21:51.50fileupdate done :)
21:52.04fileDatabase from: 12/30/2002
21:58.16prpplagueRuss|werk: frontend is an POS accounting system
21:58.38prpplagueRuss|werk: writen in a psuedo c style code, we have our own language
21:58.57prpplagueRuss|werk: 75% of our programmers are accountants with no programming experience
21:59.06Russ|werkso there is a server that controls many sales terminals and signature terminals?
21:59.51prpplagueRuss|werk: ya the sig device is plugged into a x86 or arm thinclient, which is connected via ethernet to an application server
22:00.22Russ|werkand the sales terminal is that thinclient?
22:00.45prpplagueRuss|werk: ya ssh, telnet, or x-windows sessions
22:01.15Russ|werkok, so all communication with the daemon that communicates to the signature reader will be network based
22:01.21prpplagueya
22:02.28Russ|werkok, so you are looking to have a library on the server that opens a tcp session to a terminal, sends commands, and receives responses
22:02.35prpplagueRuss|werk: we've made this work with lots of other devices, but we always had a good api to start with
22:02.46prpplagueRuss|werk: right
22:03.46prpplagueRuss|werk: we already do sane via network as well as webcams, scanners, credit card readers, and usb keys
22:04.39Russ|werkso the daemon on the thinclient will wait for a tcp connection before doing anything
22:04.43prpplagueRuss|werk: this one is different since the manufacture wants all these little checks and obfiscated code
22:05.11prpplagueRuss|werk: right, it listen for a connection from the app server only
22:05.55Russ|werkand then once that connection occurs, it waits for request packets, it processes the request, carries it, and sends a response
22:06.07prpplagueyep
22:06.11Russ|werkso there are 3 sockets, the listen socket, the tcp socket, and the serial socket
22:06.24Russ|werkall three should probably be in the main event loop
22:06.50Russ|werkif a new connection is made on the listen socket, the old connection should probably be terminated (server rebooted badly)
22:07.14Russ|werkalso, a timeout portion should be in there
22:07.21Russ|werkso all and all, that portion is pretty simple
22:07.51Russ|werkits just the actual learning of commands, and decifering of responses
22:08.09prpplagueya its not bad in principle, its getting down to the details and doing it, just not looking forward to it :(
22:08.41prpplagueRuss|werk: right, which i've set up a serial sniffer to watch the demo app
22:09.11Russ|werklike I said, take a look at the dhcpc.c event loop, should provide a good start
22:09.13prpplagueRuss|werk: all straight ascii with a start code, message, end code and crc
22:11.10prpplagueRuss|werk: hmm, this is taking way tooooo much time away from my webpal work :)
22:15.19Russ|werkin the dhcpc code, it doesn't have read states, but you'll probably need a flag to indicate that a command is still reading data
22:17.04prpplagueRuss|werk: looks like can toggle that function on the device
22:17.17prpplagueRuss|werk: just set it only send when completed
22:18.08Russ|werkI know, but serial data is slow, and there is no indication in that communication layer when a message is complete, or was terminated
22:18.29Russ|werkso if its in the process of sending a message, and someone unplugs the unit accidentally, you are generally screwed
22:18.36Russ|werkunless you are reading in an event loop with timeouts
22:19.42filehasn't anybody dealt with Xandros?
22:21.34prpplagueRuss|werk: ahh i see your point
22:22.03Russ|werkor you could create a generic read function that reads n bytes, but has a ns timeout
22:22.30Russ|werkthat could even be expanded to do crc retransmitals for you
22:23.23prpplagueRuss|werk: i'm gonna have to think about this and do some basic experiments before implmenting anything
22:23.44prpplagueRuss|werk: i found a couple of home automation apps that look similiar to what i'm needing
22:39.26sorphinprpplague: the only thing i've done w/ sig capture devices, is signed my name in them.. just did it again 15 mins ago ;p
22:41.02fileI have no straight through CAT5... ARGH
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23:05.34prpplagueCosmicPenguin: this looks nice - http://www.astrahosting.com/
23:07.06prpplagueCosmicPenguin: hey what kind of monthly bandwidth do you get?
23:14.40CosmicPenguinprpplague: 5 or 6 GB a month, I think
23:14.43CosmicPenguinprpplague: but don't quote me
23:15.45prpplagueCosmicPenguin: http://www.one2host.com/compare_hosting.htm
23:16.55prpplaguehmm, i wasn't aware that web hosting had gotten so cheap
23:19.16CosmicPenguinprpplague: thats pretty low
23:21.00prpplagueCosmicPenguin: hmm lots of restictions
23:21.27prpplagueCosmicPenguin: "no applications including and not limited to tar, zip , bin and exe files
23:21.29prpplague"
23:23.50CosmicPenguinbastards!
23:24.19prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i bet they get alot of ppl sign up without reading the terms
23:24.37CosmicPenguinprpplague: yep
23:25.07CosmicPenguinprpplague: I just tagged the first open release of Pixil - if everyone approves, it should hit the streets by this weekend
23:25.41CosmicPenguinprpplague: Which is very appropriate, since the RIF that killed Pixil was January 4, 2002 - It will rise from its ashes 1 year to the day from when it was killed
23:25.42prpplagueCosmicPenguin: great
23:25.55prpplaguelol
23:26.26CosmicPenguinprpplague: I still wanna get it working on the Maxan, which would be a killer Pixil demo platform
23:26.34CosmicPenguinAnyway, its time for me to head home and do absolutely nothing
23:28.00prpplagueCosmicPenguin: ya later
23:28.07CosmicPenguinprpplague: try not to get a hangover, eh?
23:36.01prpplaguelater foks
23:36.05prpplaguefolks
23:51.53sievehappy new year everyone

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