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02:02.17 | CosmicPenguin | whats the good word folks? |
02:18.27 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: yo |
02:19.37 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: yo back |
02:20.08 | sjhill | *yawn* |
02:20.24 | sjhill | ibot: ~fishslap sorphin |
02:20.26 | | sjhill: I give up, what is it? |
02:20.34 | sjhill | ibot: fishslap sorphin |
02:20.37 | | ACTION slaps sorphin up side the head with a wet fish. |
02:20.37 | sorphin | ~lart sjhill |
02:20.49 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: saw my comment that the dvd works fine ? |
02:21.40 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: no, it got lost in the noice. But thats good news |
02:22.05 | sorphin | sjhill: why? you need to get a grip? :P |
02:22.12 | sjhill | :P |
02:22.25 | sjhill | i can't grip to rip tracks from my scsi dvd/cd rom |
02:22.46 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: yup, need to use ProDVD tho, since dvdrecord can't recognize the dvd media (none that i have), and i can't find the right values to shove into the table |
02:23.01 | sorphin | sjhill: awww.. poor baby :P |
02:23.24 | sjhill | sorphin: i'm only tolerating you because you're copying discs for me :-P |
02:23.52 | sorphin | heh |
02:23.56 | sorphin | tolerating me eh? |
02:24.05 | sjhill | heh |
02:24.23 | sorphin | sjhill: you don't wanna start ;) |
02:24.53 | sjhill | lol |
02:25.50 | sorphin | well, that's not the way to get it ;) |
02:26.28 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: anyways, other than that, works like a charm :) so that's one nail in sjhill's^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hour dvd writing coffin |
02:26.50 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: good deal... I'm sure you wrote it all up so I just have to follow the steps, right? ;) |
02:27.21 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: it's exactly what's on that one dvd writing page we looked at |
02:27.34 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: ahh - thats good |
02:27.46 | sorphin | just get cdrtools-2.0, and cdrecord-ProDVD (and it's wrapper script) |
02:27.48 | sorphin | and you're good |
02:28.09 | sorphin | doing the obvious substitution in steps ;) |
02:32.34 | CosmicPenguin | brb - gotta reboot |
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02:42.31 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: re |
02:42.39 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: thx |
02:42.49 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: 2.4.21-pre2 - lets hope its better |
02:43.10 | sorphin | hehe |
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04:50.29 | sorphin | oh good grief |
04:50.37 | sorphin | and the OOM steps in |
04:58.41 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: doh |
04:59.57 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: you don't leave swap on, normally? |
05:00.07 | sorphin | on a machine w/ 1.5G of mem? |
05:00.26 | sorphin | i usually forget |
05:00.33 | sorphin | cuz i rarely need it |
05:22.48 | CosmicPenguin | Anyone have an EEPROM burner they want to sell? |
05:23.06 | sorphin | nope |
05:23.20 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: what'd you break? ;) |
05:23.59 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: Nothing - I just might have reason to burn an chip or two in the next few months, and I want to be prepared |
05:24.40 | sorphin | oh? |
05:29.10 | CosmicPenguin | actually, now that I think about it, it probably won't be EEPROM |
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05:38.16 | sorphin | BZFlag: evening mr flag *grin* |
05:40.07 | BZFlag | heya. on vacation. dialup sux. ;-) |
05:41.37 | sorphin | where you at ? |
05:42.24 | sorphin | heh |
05:42.28 | sorphin | not here obviously ;) |
05:43.16 | CosmicPenguin | The company owning the IP address was based in Washington |
05:44.31 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: maybe he's visiting his "uncle bill" :P |
05:52.39 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: yeah, that would be funny |
05:53.23 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: this is where we discover that Tim is actually a Microsoft operative that has infilrated the inner circles of Linux development |
06:16.22 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I dunno, but I always find that sleep cures everything |
06:16.25 | CosmicPenguin | see ya |
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08:59.18 | ade|lite | lo folks |
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11:19.05 | miniPanda | hi! ;-> |
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15:11.21 | sorphin | mornin ken,davey |
15:11.34 | GPSFan | Howdy, |
15:11.47 | sorphin | GPSFan: anymore webpal news ? |
15:12.35 | kergoth | hey dan, dave, etc |
15:12.44 | GPSFan | sorphin: got my kernel rebuilt, uptime 1 day 15 hrs. |
15:12.48 | sorphin | morning chris |
15:13.01 | sorphin | GPSFan: cool |
15:13.12 | sorphin | GPSFan: once my maxim samples show up, i'll be on your track too |
15:13.25 | GPSFan | :>) |
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15:14.27 | prpplague | nothing new on my end |
15:14.59 | prpplague | i spent the weekend building and testing my ttl-232 adapte |
15:15.00 | sorphin | prpplague: ya, excessive beer consumption isn't new for you ;) |
15:15.03 | GPSFan | once my cf adapters arrive I'll have a solid state unit. I did get it ti boot of cf already, just a kludge hookup. |
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15:15.55 | prpplague | GPSFan: ya i took the dremel to the front plate and fixed the smart card slot so i can use the cf-adapter there instead |
15:16.21 | GPSFan | prpplague: that's where I will put mine. |
15:16.23 | sorphin | sieve: and there's the other abcsinc drone ;) |
15:16.23 | prpplague | GPSFan: from what i tell, probably the best way to do this is drill some holes in the pcb for mounting |
15:16.51 | prpplague | GPSFan: then mount the cf slot using some teflon spacers |
15:16.52 | sieve | sorphin: bleh... |
15:16.53 | GPSFan | prpplague: just don't short the VCC & GND planes |
15:17.00 | prpplague | right |
15:17.33 | prpplague | GPSFan: when i try this i'll take some meter readings before and after |
15:18.16 | GPSFan | prpplague: good idea, using plastic screws may help too. |
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15:18.30 | sorphin | Morn: re |
15:18.46 | Morn | re's |
15:21.39 | GPSFan | prpplague: there is a new kernel patch, fixing some keycode issues with the wireless KB. http://www.luban.org/Webpal/ |
15:22.30 | CosmicPenguin | Its good to be back |
15:22.55 | file | I concur |
15:23.06 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: morning mr pixil |
15:31.15 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: morning to you too |
15:31.22 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: any news? |
15:38.13 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: about ? |
15:38.30 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: anything, I guess... |
15:38.41 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: since you're always here, you know about everything before I do.. :) |
15:38.50 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: not really, well, not yet anyways |
15:39.40 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: heh, i dunno about always here, i was off visiting someone all saturday and then sunday morning :P |
15:42.52 | sorphin | don't think i've ever read phrack |
15:42.59 | prpplague | GPSFan: i think i'm gonna try build a cs8900 isa card for one my wp's |
15:53.20 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: its PITA time... :) |
15:59.34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: PITA? |
16:00.13 | CosmicPenguin | Pain In The Ass |
16:00.18 | CosmicPenguin | You know what I mean... :) |
16:19.58 | GPSFan | prpplague: that sounds like a lot of work. why not just one of the $5 ones? |
16:21.33 | prpplague | GPSFan: hmmmmmmmmm, lets see, buy $5 card learn nothing, buy $100 learn alot |
16:21.59 | prpplague | GPSFan: $100 and a weekend seems alot better than a semester class with a boring professor |
16:25.15 | CosmicPenguin | heh.... making a new operating system seems like a lot of work, why not just use one of $100 dollar ones? |
16:25.31 | CosmicPenguin | "Because I gotta... mister!" |
16:26.02 | sorphin | GPSFan: designing your own ether board is a definate learning experience, you know that:P |
16:26.59 | prpplague | sorphin: from what i can tell with the cs8900a should be pretty easy |
16:27.10 | prpplague | sorphin: i got some sample chips coming in |
16:27.12 | sorphin | prpplague: even still |
16:28.02 | GPSFan | sorphin: oh, H can't agree more, but having a working nic is a useful tool in that process. The timing on the isa bus for the wp is probably different from the SA1110, if I were going to build one, the hack kit would be my target. |
16:28.49 | sorphin | GPSFan: well, seeing as it's using a bog standard ISA modem |
16:29.15 | sorphin | GPSFan: any isa timing shouldn't be too bad |
16:29.36 | prpplague | GPSFan: from the several usages i looked at, sa-1110 boards interfacing to cs8900a are simulating an isa bus |
16:30.22 | prpplague | GPSFan: should be able to test some things on the webpal first and when i get the next set of hack kit boards continue with the dev |
16:31.02 | GPSFan | prpplague: then by all means go for the wp as a target, get a isa prpto board and have at it. btw what will you use for a MAC address? |
16:31.40 | prpplague | GPSFan: lol, got some old nics, just use one of them |
16:31.59 | prpplague | GPSFan: just gotta make sure i destroy the card so it won't ever be used |
16:32.13 | sorphin | prpplague: paranoid :P |
16:33.44 | prpplague | GPSFan: erikm was trying to get a mac range for the lart board, but they wanted a small fortune |
16:45.25 | GPSFan | prpplague: you ever used gdb on a tux, or other arm platform remotely? |
16:45.45 | sorphin | GPSFan: you mean like the Ceiva maybe? ;) |
16:46.29 | GPSFan | I'm looking for a binary of gdbserver, but don't particularly want to build it form sources. |
16:48.22 | prpplague | GPSFan: sorry, no, i've always used jtag for flashing and such |
16:49.27 | GPSFan | k, I'm trying to debug a program that I have working on my x86 linux box and want to run on my WP. It cross compiled ok, but gives real funny results when run on the WP. |
16:55.09 | prpplague | GPSFan: hmm |
16:56.03 | GPSFan | prpplague: I'm sure it is my lousy programming skills (rocks can code better than I). |
16:56.14 | prpplague | GPSFan: same here |
16:56.49 | GPSFan | I guess I'll cross build it form source, I just didn't want too many variables going crazy at once. |
17:04.47 | sorphin | prpplague: um.. didn't you use gdb for the ceiva ? |
17:05.15 | prpplague | sorphin: naw, not me |
17:05.29 | prpplague | sorphin: someone else mentioned doing that |
17:05.39 | sorphin | prpplague: ah |
17:06.26 | sorphin | man |
17:06.30 | sorphin | it's 63F out |
17:08.30 | prpplague | sorphin: ha got you beat, its 74F here |
17:08.40 | sorphin | prpplague: umm |
17:08.50 | sorphin | prpplague: i was pointing out how unseasonable it is here atm :P |
17:09.08 | sorphin | 65F is late Dec.. is *very* not normal |
17:09.12 | sorphin | s/is/in/ |
17:09.23 | sorphin | (i said 65, cuz it just went up) |
17:09.28 | prpplague | sorphin: ya well, if i give you the ip of a server will r00t it so i can go fix it? |
17:10.14 | sorphin | prpplague: um.. i'm not a script kiddie, that's f1l3 |
17:24.16 | sorphin | prpplague: besides, he's your boy, you could prolly get him to do anything :P |
17:33.27 | prpplague | sorphin: not mine |
17:33.58 | sorphin | prpplague: whatever |
17:34.04 | sorphin | prpplague: you know you're his hero ;p |
17:34.45 | prpplague | lol, why because i drink beer and hang out at the nudie bar? |
17:35.29 | sorphin | prolly |
17:35.39 | sorphin | and cuz you have all this free hardware he can't get *grin* |
17:35.53 | prpplague | lol |
18:01.43 | Russ|werk | ummm...its 46F here, does that count for anything? |
18:09.41 | sorphin | Russ|werk: that's more what it should be here or abouts |
18:12.16 | Russ|werk | at least its not as could as it could be, in the upper teens |
18:12.35 | Russ|werk | s/could/cold/ |
18:14.07 | sorphin | indeed |
18:14.56 | kergoth | anyone know, how, from a function, to dump the stack contents in the linux kernel? I need a fucking call trace at a certain point |
18:15.36 | sorphin | nope |
18:15.52 | Lethal | each architecture has methods for dumping the stack |
18:15.54 | Lethal | look at traps.c |
18:16.02 | Lethal | you can get a call trace from that just fine |
18:16.32 | Lethal | tho you might have to unstatic it :P |
18:16.53 | kergoth | Lethal: ah, thanks |
18:17.18 | Lethal | show_trace_task()/show_task() is usually what you want |
18:19.39 | Lethal | dump_stack() if you don't care about the task struct pointer :P |
18:20.16 | kergoth | Lethal: thanks :) |
18:25.26 | kergoth | ;) |
18:25.31 | sorphin | hehe |
18:25.55 | Lethal | kergoth, physically indexed / physically tagged L1 |
18:26.10 | sorphin | kergoth: i think he's been hitting the bong this morning ;p |
18:26.15 | Lethal | kergoth, with bus snooping it'll trigger a write-back or invalidate when you prepare to do DMA |
18:26.29 | Lethal | kergoth, without it, you have to implicitly do the stuff by hand before DMA |
18:26.34 | Lethal | utterly useless |
18:27.21 | Lethal | well, you can just do an all-out flush, or you can check your dma direction and save a few cycles :P |
18:27.36 | Lethal | which is what we do in sh for pci dma on noncoherent l1 |
18:27.46 | Lethal | or at least we will when I commit it.. |
18:28.22 | Lethal | sorphin, embedded linux kernel hacking :P |
18:28.40 | sorphin | ah |
18:28.47 | sorphin | in other words, nothing fancy :P |
18:29.01 | sorphin | kergoth: no one in here understands lethal ;p |
18:29.18 | Lethal | andersee and bzflag probably do :P |
18:29.24 | Lethal | sjhill too :P |
18:29.35 | Lethal | no idea about the rest of you crazy arm folk :P |
18:29.45 | Russ|werk | I think I know what he is saying...why flush all the cache if you only need to flush half (or none) |
18:29.45 | sorphin | andersee works for himself |
18:29.50 | sorphin | bzflag is just insane |
18:29.55 | kergoth | Lethal: any resource/book recommendations? ;) |
18:29.56 | sorphin | and sjhill |
18:30.09 | sorphin | sjhill is a lost cause, after all, he likes MIPS |
18:30.09 | Russ|werk | kergoth: my guess? the sh manual |
18:30.54 | Lethal | Russ|werk, essentially. its dma direction. if you do dma to the device, you just invalidate the dcache. if its from the device, writeback. if its bi-directional, flush. otherwise, BUG() :P |
18:31.15 | Russ|werk | thats what I figured |
18:31.30 | Russ|werk | I don't see why a read is a BUG() |
18:31.30 | Lethal | if your cache does bus snooping, it does it automagically for you |
18:31.57 | Lethal | Russ|werk, its not a read, its if your doing dma that's not to the device, from the device, or bidirectional. since that's a new dma direction |
18:32.02 | Russ|werk | make[3]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/src/linux-timmy/include/asm-ia64/efi.h', needed by `efi.h'. Stop. |
18:32.03 | Russ|werk | grr.... |
18:32.07 | Lethal | if you read, it counts as _from_ the device ;P |
18:32.32 | Russ|werk | err...make mrproper prolly |
18:33.33 | Lethal | kergoth, my two personal favorites are see mips run and unix systems for modern architectures: symmetric multiprocessing and caching for kernel programmers |
18:34.03 | kergoth | Lethal: thank you |
18:36.35 | sorphin | ok, who here's an ide guru (esp in proc stuff) |
18:38.30 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: has nothing to do w/ the ide bug, etc |
18:39.32 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: btw.. seems the dvd+rw-tools now support -r/rw too (and might give cdrecord-prodvd a run |
18:39.39 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/-RW/ |
18:41.06 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: good news |
18:41.11 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I love it when new DVD tools come out |
18:41.34 | sorphin | now if only someone would port ifoedit :P |
18:41.52 | sorphin | ifogen is nice, but doesn't allow the fancyness of ifoedit |
18:43.19 | Lethal | ifo? |
18:44.13 | sorphin | Lethal: dvd talk |
18:44.27 | Lethal | ah |
18:44.41 | Lethal | past mpeg2/css I'm lost :P |
18:45.10 | Lethal | if the dvd is shiny and works, good enough for me ;P |
18:45.19 | sorphin | ooooooooo.. shiney |
18:45.31 | Lethal | indeed, its like built-in marketing appeal |
18:45.46 | sorphin | everyone likes shineys ;) |
18:46.17 | Lethal | besides, embedded cpu talk is easy to parse. the rest of your crazy stuff isn't, I have yet to figure out wtf a tsop is :P |
18:46.26 | sorphin | haha |
18:46.32 | sorphin | surface mount |
18:46.58 | Lethal | yeah, they both have an s in them, I see the similarities already :P |
18:47.05 | sorphin | Lethal: Thin Small Outline Package |
18:47.06 | Russ|werk | Lethal: the if you know the low level software stuff, the hardware is pretty easry |
18:47.12 | sorphin | :P |
18:47.16 | sorphin | now you know |
18:47.17 | Russ|werk | or a TTSOP |
18:47.21 | Lethal | ah |
18:47.31 | Lethal | Russ|werk, I suppose it probably is, I just haven't had any reason to learn any of it |
18:47.37 | Russ|werk | a number suffix of course means the number of pins |
18:48.34 | sorphin | Lethal: you can also be like ken and make a DIP a TSOP ;) |
18:48.41 | Russ|werk | and as someone who's worked with a lot of low level software, you are less inclined to make the mistakes that many ee's make |
18:49.13 | Lethal | the closest i've gotten to any of that stuff was fpga hacking, which in itself was pretty fun |
18:49.24 | sorphin | fpga's are neat toys |
18:49.29 | Lethal | except the customers engineers kept smoking crack and reimplementing the ISA on a bi-weekly basis |
18:50.24 | Lethal | yeah, they're pretty cool |
18:50.37 | Lethal | everything goes to hell the minute you try and get silicon running tho ;P |
18:51.07 | sorphin | Lethal: only if you're due for a severe beating w/ the cluebat |
18:51.22 | CosmicPenguin | mmmm... cluebat |
18:51.25 | Lethal | hmm.. hitachi and ST .. probably long overdue :P |
18:51.43 | sorphin | Lethal: now now |
18:51.51 | sorphin | Lethal: the SH4 is a nice proc |
18:51.55 | Lethal | yeah |
18:51.59 | Lethal | SH4 is okay |
18:52.04 | Lethal | I'm talking about SH5 |
18:52.28 | sorphin | and as for ST..... |
18:52.31 | sorphin | ........ |
18:53.07 | Lethal | I'm still waiting for them to get the SH8000/ST50 to a point where they can produce more then 5 boards a year :P |
18:53.27 | Lethal | that work :P |
18:53.50 | sorphin | heh |
18:53.57 | Lethal | last time they tried, 1 out of 10 worked to some degree |
18:54.00 | Lethal | not impressive stats :P |
18:54.04 | sorphin | Lethal: 2 words (which i've seemed to have to use frequently lately) |
18:54.08 | sorphin | Lethal: pipe dream |
18:54.24 | Lethal | indeed, which is why I'm porting to the gdb simulator instead :P |
18:55.02 | Lethal | they haven't even pondered smp yet, which is amazing, since sh2 and sh3 allowed for it |
18:55.33 | Lethal | and smp sh2 is just uncalled for |
18:56.14 | Lethal | at least with the sh5, it could actually be useful :P |
18:56.38 | Lethal | unfortunately sh2 is the only sh smp I have to work with, despite it having no mmu |
18:57.09 | Lethal | 512-proc sh7 configurations are a ways off :P |
18:58.06 | Russ|werk | smp with no mmu? |
18:58.09 | Lethal | yeah |
18:58.14 | Lethal | it sucks |
18:58.16 | Lethal | vigorously |
18:58.29 | sorphin | lethal is a masochist |
18:58.36 | Lethal | although on the plus side, context switches are faster.. ;P |
18:59.06 | Russ|werk | how does forking new processes work on an mmuless system |
19:00.35 | Lethal | forking isn't an issue, its paging that is. I haven't had to do anything special for fork yet. |
19:00.58 | Lethal | although my init is doing weird things, so who knows ;P |
19:01.07 | Russ|werk | I thought fork() didn't work on uclinux |
19:01.38 | Lethal | I'm not sure about that, I don't have userland up yet. but I can manually start something w/ do_fork() |
19:02.55 | Lethal | the uclinux mips port does fork fine as well, as far as I can tell. m68k looks like the only one with an issue. |
19:03.14 | Lethal | dunno |
19:03.51 | Lethal | most of the issues I've run into so far have been paging, virt to phys stuff, page table references, etc. |
19:04.47 | Lethal | on my second processor it jumps into its entry point where do_fork() is invoked by hand for the init task, and all that works fine. |
19:04.55 | Lethal | regardless of an mmu being present or not |
19:07.33 | Lethal | i've never done an mmuless port before though, so its entirely possible I'm smoking crack |
19:08.54 | Lethal | I suppose there could be some CLONE_VM issues |
19:08.59 | Lethal | not sure though |
19:11.07 | Lethal | oh, I see, uclinux doesn't do fork(), but it does vfork() |
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19:20.21 | prpplague | sorphin: box? to live in? |
19:20.52 | sorphin | prpplague: no |
19:21.00 | sorphin | 'you know what i mean :P |
19:21.09 | Lethal | sorphin, build an smp sh2!@# :P |
19:21.15 | sorphin | umm |
19:21.16 | sorphin | no |
19:21.33 | Lethal | sorphin, come on, its even got 2M of discontig memory. you know you want it ;P |
19:21.47 | Lethal | oh, you wanted something useful |
19:21.49 | Lethal | nm then |
19:21.49 | Lethal | :P |
19:22.17 | sorphin | my dual PPro box, because it's a peecee, isn't very useful as SMP, while the sparc20, somewhat is.. |
19:22.31 | sorphin | my current fastest box is my 1ghz athlon.. want faster |
19:22.39 | Russ|werk | I have a dual ppc cpu board with mainboard, its not apple |
19:22.39 | Lethal | smp athlon isn't bad for a workstation |
19:22.43 | sorphin | but w/ amd's new naming crap |
19:22.45 | kergoth | Lethal: question, how do i obtain the current struct pt_regs to pass to the function which dumps a backtrace? |
19:22.48 | Russ|werk | also, a dual ppro board, but no memory |
19:23.06 | sorphin | Russ|werk: eh ? |
19:23.20 | Russ|werk | it requires buffered EDO 168pin memory |
19:23.24 | sorphin | i know |
19:23.37 | Russ|werk | difficult to track down for what I'm willing to pay for it |
19:23.49 | sorphin | Russ|werk: i'm using a Providence board :P |
19:24.13 | sorphin | Russ|werk: paid about 300 or there abouts i think for the mem |
19:24.32 | Russ|werk | ya, I'm not willing to pay $300 to get a dual ppro 180 working- |
19:25.37 | sorphin | this was a few years ago anyways |
19:27.11 | sorphin | anyhoo |
19:27.20 | sorphin | looking for suggestions (real ones, prpplague :P ) |
19:29.47 | Lethal | kergoth, you can get it at do_fork() time, or you can try and typecast the stack pointer from the current thread context. |
19:30.12 | kergoth | Lethal: bah, figured. thanks |
19:31.06 | sorphin | kergoth: any suggestions from the digicorner? :P |
19:31.28 | Lethal | kergoth, if you have a show_task() or show_trace_task(), you can just hand it a task struct pointer.. |
19:31.35 | Lethal | kergoth, it'll do all the magic for you |
19:31.43 | kergoth | Lethal: ah. thanks |
19:32.16 | Lethal | show_task() takes the sp, show_trace_task() takes the tsk |
19:32.27 | Lethal | I think its like that under 2.4 as well |
19:40.59 | Russ|werk | wtf was that changed for |
19:41.28 | Russ|werk | 2.4.20-pre4->2.4.21-pre2 s/\/proc\/kmesg/\/proc\/kmsg/ |
19:42.41 | CosmicPenguin | heh - from LKML: When playing netris, the shapes fall a lot faster in 2.5.53-mm2 than in |
19:42.41 | CosmicPenguin | 2.4.20 and in 2.5.53. |
19:42.48 | CosmicPenguin | Now thats a bug report |
19:42.49 | Russ|werk | nm |
19:43.31 | kergoth | hah |
19:44.28 | CosmicPenguin | "I can't frag as many people in 2.4.20 as in 2.4.19. The kernel must be broken! |
19:45.03 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: indeed |
19:45.10 | *** join/#elinux sjhill (~NOYB@207-191-210-241.cpe.ats.mcleodusa.net) |
19:45.23 | sorphin | sjhill: no riffraff allowed in here |
19:45.32 | Lethal | sorphin, hypocrite :P |
19:46.00 | sorphin | Lethal: i'm not riffraff, i don't worship MIPS :P |
19:46.29 | Lethal | MIPS is fine. its not SH, but it's still a fun platform :P |
19:46.38 | Lethal | except for toshiba mips, thats just uncalled for. |
19:46.48 | sorphin | hehe |
19:46.59 | *** join/#elinux TomW (tom@147seg-pc-1624-14.msns.str.ptd.net) |
19:47.01 | sorphin | Lethal: mips is neat, i'll give it that |
19:47.03 | sorphin | TomW: wow |
19:47.09 | sorphin | TomW: you're still alive ;) |
19:47.17 | TomW | sorphin: you are fast on the trigger! |
19:47.19 | sorphin | TomW: you've missed all the webpal advances :P |
19:47.20 | Lethal | sorphin, yeah, but smp on r3k w/o ll/sc isn't :P |
19:47.44 | TomW | sorphin: got body-slammed by a Cold. |
19:47.48 | sorphin | doh |
19:48.12 | sorphin | TomW: mr gpsfan has been having all the fun, i'm waitin for my maxim samples to build my serial crap |
19:48.20 | TomW | heh |
19:48.31 | CosmicPenguin | But then again, I'm a dork |
19:48.40 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: yeah, want one? |
19:49.10 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: sure - will it give me time off work? |
19:49.13 | Lethal | CosmicPenguin, blindness is usually a large factor |
19:49.23 | Lethal | although there's plenty of blind kernel developers :P |
19:49.25 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: heh, yes it will! :D |
19:49.28 | CosmicPenguin | Lethal: too much moonshine? |
19:49.31 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: you're the future pixil dork tho ;p |
19:49.46 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: and you still call it a "cold"? Sounds like "flu" or "dysentery" is a better word for it.. :) |
19:50.04 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: I'll spit in a baggie and mail it to you, okay? |
19:50.16 | TomW | lol |
19:50.27 | sorphin | TomW: it'd be no comparison to what i live w/ every DAY Tom :P |
19:50.32 | Lethal | CosmicPenguin, nah, but its the blind people that other people don't know are blind that are cool ;P |
19:51.08 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: ahhh... come to think of it, that wouldn't be a smart thing to do, sending a virus in the mail. Now would it? |
19:51.25 | TomW | :/ |
19:51.39 | Lethal | TomW, indeed. plus it hardly has any originality ;P |
19:51.39 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: just speak clearly into the microphone |
19:51.41 | sorphin | TomW: so :P |
19:52.01 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i cannot tell a lie, it was Jordan's fault. |
19:52.36 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: maybe we can blame it on Morn - no sense in making a whole new FBI file just for little ol' me |
19:52.58 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: you sure they don't already have one on you? ;) |
19:53.24 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: okay, you'll have to do it the American Way then. Go out, kiss a bunch of Babes and see what you can contract. :) |
19:53.52 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I don't think the FBI even has an office in Wyoming |
19:53.53 | TomW | What? Is Morn awake? |
19:54.19 | sorphin | TomW: was 4 hours ago |
19:54.45 | TomW | sorphin: probably off doing what I should be doing: working. |
19:54.58 | sorphin | doubtful on both accounts ;p |
20:00.14 | prpplague | TomW: hey |
20:01.01 | prpplague | TomW: whats cookin with your webpal? |
20:01.20 | sorphin | prpplague: he's been slacking.. claims he's been sick ;p |
20:02.40 | prpplague | ya ya been out smokin crack again |
20:02.48 | sorphin | prpplague: when aren't you :P |
20:02.52 | TomW | prpplague: nothin', I got to get one together for my Mom to use so she can have something to use for email. She is retiring in February and needs an email client. |
20:03.02 | Russ|werk | I was going to wait till the el-cheapo board house got back from the holiday break |
20:03.47 | Russ|werk | anyone happen to be coming out here for the fiesta bowl? |
20:03.52 | prpplague | Russ|werk: is your design with the max232 or max233? |
20:04.15 | Morn | hi |
20:04.17 | Russ|werk | 233 iirc, whatever it was, it was 5V, required two caps, and have 4 buffers |
20:04.22 | Morn | Saw my name mentioned |
20:04.24 | sorphin | Morn: re |
20:04.26 | Russ|werk | (and was TSOP) |
20:04.30 | sorphin | Morn: yeah, CP was slandering |
20:04.41 | Morn | doh! |
20:04.49 | sorphin | Russ|werk: the 233 only has 1 cap, for +v/gnd bypass |
20:05.01 | sorphin | Russ|werk: the 232 uses external caps |
20:05.07 | sorphin | Russ|werk: it'd be better to use the 233 |
20:05.21 | Russ|werk | does the 233 require -12V? |
20:05.25 | sorphin | no |
20:05.39 | sorphin | it's the 232 w/ internal caps is all |
20:05.47 | sorphin | lil bit longer |
20:05.51 | sorphin | 20 pin instead of 16 |
20:07.22 | Russ|werk | why so many pins? |
20:07.26 | Russ|werk | die space? |
20:07.32 | sorphin | i dunno |
20:07.38 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: whats the news on the serial converter (you told me to ask you on Monday) |
20:07.51 | sorphin | i know it has to do w/ the internal caps.. tying stuff together.. |
20:08.06 | sorphin | Russ|werk: saves on caps either way |
20:08.23 | Russ|werk | but probably not cost, and not very much board space... |
20:08.37 | sorphin | heh |
20:08.40 | sorphin | like $1 more |
20:08.51 | Russ|werk | ya, its $2 to $3 more |
20:09.00 | Russ|werk | well, $1.50 more |
20:09.05 | sorphin | Russ|werk: you could also do like ken suggested and design around the 235 :P |
20:09.12 | Russ|werk | the A is really expensive |
20:09.13 | sorphin | both serial ports in 1 chip |
20:09.26 | Russ|werk | I don't see whats wrong with using the max232 |
20:09.46 | sorphin | Russ|werk: your choice.. already making my own here |
20:09.56 | Russ|werk | or preferable the 232A |
20:10.02 | Russ|werk | er |
20:10.08 | Russ|werk | I think I was thinking of the 231 |
20:10.16 | Russ|werk | no |
20:10.21 | Russ|werk | dammit, now I'm confused |
20:10.24 | sorphin | hehe |
20:10.31 | sorphin | you either want |
20:10.34 | sorphin | the 232/233 |
20:10.37 | sorphin | or the 235 :P |
20:10.54 | Russ|werk | the 235 is a lot of board space |
20:11.16 | sorphin | umm |
20:11.19 | sorphin | it's both ports :P |
20:11.27 | sorphin | so that'd be why |
20:11.34 | Russ|werk | hmm...is the second port usable? |
20:11.44 | sorphin | yes |
20:11.52 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: its tied to the IR / Smartcard, IIRC |
20:11.58 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: yup |
20:12.09 | Russ|werk | so that'd be a no if you want to use the IR or smartcard |
20:12.23 | sorphin | correct |
20:12.34 | sorphin | most of these guys aren't gonna be using it |
20:12.36 | sorphin | tho |
20:12.44 | CosmicPenguin | the IR? Are you kidding me? |
20:13.20 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: you're not covered under most ;p |
20:13.36 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: really, most of us *don't* want to use the IR? May I ask why not? |
20:14.14 | sorphin | daveyboy didn't seem like he'd use it, seeing as both him and ken removed the atmel ;p |
20:14.22 | Russ|werk | I think with the smartcard reader, and the serial port, you can do a quick setup to get directtv |
20:14.39 | sorphin | ROTFL |
20:14.57 | Russ|werk | what? |
20:15.03 | Russ|werk | I've seen a setup at someone's house |
20:15.19 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: except for the whole digital reciever part |
20:15.24 | sorphin | Russ|werk: and you plan on handling the dvb signal with........ |
20:15.24 | Russ|werk | they have a directtv receiver, with a pcb inserted in the smartcard slot, and an ic on that pcb |
20:15.26 | sorphin | air ? |
20:15.28 | Russ|werk | that goes to a comuter |
20:15.32 | sorphin | oh brother |
20:15.35 | Russ|werk | er,computer's serial port |
20:15.38 | sorphin | Russ|werk: aka |
20:15.43 | sorphin | Russ|werk: an emulator |
20:15.47 | Russ|werk | the other serial port then goes to a smartcard reader |
20:15.54 | sorphin | you can do that w/ a 386 ;p |
20:16.03 | sorphin | that's just an EMU |
20:16.08 | Russ|werk | ya, but then you need a 386, a smartcard reader, etc |
20:16.14 | sorphin | and DOS |
20:16.31 | Russ|werk | but with the webpal, you just need the webpal, and the little pcb smartcard thingy |
20:16.31 | sorphin | or a linux that can access it all :P |
20:19.04 | Russ|werk | free payperview is pretty nifty |
20:21.26 | sorphin | anyways |
20:22.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: got mine built over the weekend |
20:22.28 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: not loaded anything yet |
20:22.42 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: gonna try to do that tonight as well as send some docs to ya |
20:23.48 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: cool |
20:23.48 | prpplague | sorphin: ya i removed the ir, and wired it to my cradle for my zaurus |
20:24.25 | prpplague | sorphin: the keyboards are alot more enjoyable on the z |
20:24.49 | sorphin | prpplague: try that again ? |
20:25.00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i also took a dremel to the cover so i can mount the cf-2-ide on the front where the smart card slot was |
20:25.05 | prpplague | sorphin: what? |
20:25.05 | Russ|werk | prpplague: the CIR components can be ordered from digikey... |
20:25.22 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: thats exactly what I was thinking... hell, I even got one at RadioShit |
20:25.23 | sorphin | prpplague: you did WHAT w/ the ir stuff and the Z? :P |
20:25.50 | prpplague | sorphin: de-soldered the ir module from the webpal, put the ir on a pcb and connected it to the z cradle |
20:26.01 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: though I might remove the smart card and replace it with the CF like you did |
20:26.05 | prpplague | sorphin: install some serial-2-kbd daemon |
20:26.13 | prpplague | sorphin: use ir keyboard with z |
20:26.18 | sorphin | prpplague: weird |
20:26.26 | prpplague | sorphin: why? |
20:26.35 | sorphin | prpplague: never though of that |
20:27.07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the big key is drilling the holes |
20:27.23 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: got to do some testing to make sure we don't short anything out |
20:27.29 | sorphin | prpplague: so, mr posstein.. how'd you wire it up? :P |
20:28.25 | prpplague | sorphin: if you are lazy you can just buy one of the ast remote packages and use the ir receiver |
20:29.03 | sjhill | okay, enough of this....what is this webpal thingee? |
20:29.18 | sorphin | ibot: webpal ? |
20:29.20 | | it has been said that webpal is a set top box appliance that can run Linux. see http://webpal.bigbrd.com/, or http://www.softwareandstuff.com/h_misc_webpal.html |
20:29.24 | prpplague | sorphin: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3759&item=2083969919 |
20:29.27 | sorphin | sjhill: there |
20:29.34 | prpplague | sjhill: what you didn't get one? |
20:29.50 | sorphin | prpplague: course not, he's a mips whore |
20:29.56 | TomW | sjhill: http://www.softwareandstuff.com/h_misc_webpal.html |
20:29.59 | prpplague | sorphin: thats the same remote as the one with the webpal |
20:30.06 | sorphin | TomW: i already had ibot tell him :P |
20:30.13 | TomW | :( |
20:30.35 | sorphin | prpplague: either way :P as i said, what about the cradle wiring ;p |
20:31.04 | TomW | :'( |
20:31.19 | sorphin | TomW: oh calm down already :P |
20:31.26 | prpplague | sorphin: rx-rx tx-tx 5v-5v ground-ground |
20:31.55 | sorphin | prpplague: here i thought you couldn't wire serial direct to usb :P |
20:31.56 | TomW | prpplague is stuttering |
20:32.09 | prpplague | sorphin: i used the schematic for the cradle on the faq which identifies the rs-232 signals |
20:32.18 | sjhill | hmmm, i assume better network connectivity has been solved? |
20:32.24 | prpplague | sorphin: the cradle has all the sharp-io available just not wired |
20:32.37 | sorphin | prpplague: ah |
20:32.54 | sorphin | sjhill: yeah, built/buy a cs8900? card |
20:33.02 | sorphin | prpplague: where's this schem? |
20:33.11 | prpplague | for the cradle? |
20:33.15 | sorphin | indeed |
20:33.18 | sjhill | k |
20:33.35 | prpplague | sorphin: dont have the url, but its on one of the faq pages |
20:33.42 | sorphin | bah |
20:34.04 | prpplague | sorphin: nope, its on the sharp dev site |
20:34.22 | sorphin | prpplague: sharp's actual dev site, or one of the spinoffs? |
20:34.32 | prpplague | sorphin: sharps actual dev site |
20:34.40 | sorphin | prpplague: k |
20:35.22 | prpplague | Russ|werk: making any progress on those cards? |
20:35.33 | Russ|werk | prpplague: the board house doesn't reopen till the 7th |
20:36.19 | prpplague | Russ|werk: sorry, i mean the pc/104 stuff |
20:36.27 | Russ|werk | oh, they work rather well |
20:36.39 | prpplague | Russ|werk: this was suppose to have been the tcsx-2 - http://www.abcsinc.com/tcsx1/top-pcmcia.jpg |
20:36.40 | Russ|werk | I haven't had a chance to switch everything over to pppoe yet |
20:37.00 | Russ|werk | nice case |
20:37.01 | sorphin | ya know |
20:37.06 | sorphin | i HATE sites w/ flash, etc |
20:37.12 | Russ|werk | who bent it? |
20:37.20 | Russ|werk | (and stamped) |
20:37.38 | prpplague | Russ|werk: probably some tawanies slave kids |
20:38.09 | Russ|werk | ah |
20:38.27 | prpplague | Russ|werk: we had 10 made, never went into production :( |
20:38.34 | sorphin | prpplague: "supposed to have been" ? |
20:38.39 | sorphin | why not ? |
20:39.02 | sorphin | ok |
20:39.05 | sorphin | this is gonna annoy me |
20:39.17 | Russ|werk | pc104 stuff is generally too expensive to go into production like that |
20:39.24 | Russ|werk | now the new via boards, those are really cool |
20:39.30 | sorphin | Enroll in the Developer Program. |
20:39.44 | Russ|werk | prpplague: have you checked out the via mini-itx boards? |
20:39.55 | prpplague | Russ|werk: ya we have a couple in for testing |
20:40.12 | prpplague | Russ|werk: are suppose to get one of the ones in that has 3 nics include a gb |
20:40.23 | Russ|werk | prpplague: they are pretty cheap, I installed one for someone |
20:43.45 | Russ|werk | using winblows? |
20:43.57 | prpplague | Russ|werk: http://www.beldynsys.com/k900.htm |
20:44.04 | sorphin | yse, but it started grinding at sharp's "new" dev site |
20:48.22 | Russ|werk | prpplague: how much? |
20:48.57 | prpplague | Russ|werk: expensive, $50 per board |
20:49.28 | prpplague | Russ|werk: or $195 for the 5 board kit |
20:49.29 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: we're trying to get some Via Epias on site, but Via won't answer our phone calls |
20:50.22 | Russ|werk | prpplague: I can custom make boards for cheaper |
20:50.33 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: I have a site to order them from |
20:50.36 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: one sec |
20:50.50 | prpplague | Russ|werk: every the prototype board? |
20:50.56 | prpplague | s/every/even |
20:51.07 | Russ|werk | http://idot.com/ |
20:51.15 | Russ|werk | prpplague: $26 for a two sided board |
20:51.33 | prpplague | Russ|werk: expresspcb? |
20:51.46 | Russ|werk | http://www.olimex.com/pcb/ |
20:52.03 | Russ|werk | 6.3x3.9 |
20:52.25 | Russ|werk | $104 for 12.6x7.8 |
20:52.36 | Russ|werk | subsequent orders of the same panel are cheaper |
20:53.07 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: click where it says "mini itx, click here" |
20:53.52 | prpplague | Russ|werk: but you have to do the tricks to make them thinks it's a single board right? |
20:54.03 | Russ|werk | prpplague: this place does free panelization |
20:54.17 | Russ|werk | so however many of what you are making will fit in a panel, its $26 |
20:56.44 | prpplague | Russ|werk: hmm, i realllllly need to try doing this ordering pcb's |
20:57.13 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: sweet. Now, if we could just get quantity numbers from Via, we would be set |
20:57.21 | Russ|werk | prpplague: I'm going to order some boards for jtag, rs232, and shanip when they reopen |
20:57.48 | Russ|werk | prpplague: I'll see what their prices are to populate the components too |
20:57.54 | prpplague | Russ|werk: you submit as gerber files right? |
20:58.19 | Russ|werk | prpplague: right, I sent an email asking if I send them the routing layer, or if they do that |
20:58.33 | Russ|werk | but they probably won't get back to me for another week and a half |
20:58.44 | prpplague | Russ|werk: where are they out of? |
20:59.38 | Russ|werk | some european republic or something, lemme check |
21:00.10 | Russ|werk | bulgaria |
21:01.10 | Russ|werk | I'm thinking assembly will cost extra because it would require a solder paste mask |
21:02.42 | Russ|werk | (er, not just cost extra, but cost quite a bit more than just the components) |
21:02.42 | prpplague | any concern about customs? |
21:03.01 | Russ|werk | the US doesn't have customs charges on that sort of thing afaik |
21:03.23 | Russ|werk | 'PCB from Bulgarian origin have 0% import tax when enter in Europe, CEFTA, USA and Turkey. Please check with your local customs for the import tax if your country doesn't belong to the quoted above.' |
21:03.52 | prpplague | Russ|werk: ahh ok good, we occasionally have problems on some pcbs |
21:04.26 | Russ|werk | you can't send them just any board though, they have about 10 drill sizes, and an 8mil tolerance |
21:04.48 | prpplague | Russ|werk: i'm gonna need some pcbs for the hack kit |
21:04.59 | Russ|werk | make that 8 drill size-s |
21:05.04 | prpplague | Russ|werk: i'll see how your stuff works out |
21:05.10 | Russ|werk | the smallest being 28 |
21:05.49 | Russ|werk | delivery time is significantly shorter if you specify a tolerance of 10mil |
21:06.15 | Russ|werk | you can add a drill size for a buck |
21:06.29 | prpplague | Russ|werk: your buddies in az can't do a cheap job? |
21:06.45 | Russ|werk | they don't make pcbs, they send out for thaht |
21:08.03 | prpplague | Russ|werk: ? i thought they did, are they just an assembly house? |
21:08.12 | Russ|werk | ya, they just assemble |
21:08.28 | Russ|werk | I don't know if anyone does pcb's and assembly in the same building |
21:08.44 | Russ|werk | I seriously doubt it due to the nature of pcb "creation" |
21:09.35 | Russ|werk | I'd be similarly surprised if the photoplates and the etching were done in the same building |
21:10.42 | ds-work | most one-off shops use PCB printers |
21:12.50 | prpplague | Russ|werk: that shop is names triad right? |
21:15.57 | Russ|werk | right |
21:16.22 | Russ|werk | oh geez, this site I went to to get tickets to the fiesta bowl block party, their calendar and schedule, it flashes... |
21:16.27 | Russ|werk | http://www.tempe.gov/escalante/ |
21:16.36 | Russ|werk | has to be the worst web design I have ever seen |
21:17.21 | prpplague | Russ|werk: hmm, guess you've not visited our company web site :) |
21:18.27 | TomW | Russ|werk: you talking about the "calendar of events" at the bottom of that page? |
21:18.28 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm... fiesta bowl block party |
21:18.42 | CosmicPenguin | That has potential of possibly being fun... :-) |
21:19.00 | Russ|werk | TomW: yes, and also the table layout of the page really sucks |
21:19.20 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: ya, and it will be a blast this year being that its the national championship |
21:19.28 | TomW | Russ|werk: table layout sux, but it doesn't flash under Mozilla. |
21:19.48 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: no dobut, except for all of the Miami fans hanging around |
21:20.12 | Russ|werk | TomW: probably some errant > |
21:20.22 | TomW | I want to attend the "Tie Dye Extravaganza" |
21:20.34 | TomW | heh |
21:21.08 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: being that I live about a mile from where the party, I'll show up |
21:21.29 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: yep, and bring your beer money too |
21:21.41 | Russ|werk | ya, they have the beer gardens, quite a few of them |
21:24.31 | Russ|werk | geez, I hate that, my packet monitor is going ape |
21:24.47 | Russ|werk | the cox network is so broken, and I'm getting 20 dhcp broadcasts a second right now |
21:26.05 | prpplague | Russ|werk: as well as cablynx, we have all kinds of winblows pc's on the network creating all kinds of traffic |
21:26.38 | Russ|werk | prpplague: the bizzare thing is, its from a 10.x address |
21:26.55 | Russ|werk | http://www.tostitosfiestabowl.com/images/indexpages/Bubble%20map123402.pdf |
21:29.12 | Russ|werk | hmm...the band list isn't that great..."zowie bowie", "dr ruth band" (whoever the hell that is), and "the go-go's" |
21:34.12 | prpplague | Russ|werk: someone with a dual nic |
21:34.38 | Russ|werk | prpplague: I think its broken dhcp servers, because I've gotten a 10.x address before |
21:34.49 | Russ|werk | and it was impossible to then get real address without replacing the NIC |
21:36.24 | prpplague | Russ|werk: ahh you know what it is, when you don't pay your bill they dchp you to a non-internet network |
21:36.35 | prpplague | Russ|werk: that way you can still get online to pay your bill |
21:36.52 | Russ|werk | nope |
21:38.35 | Russ|werk | its something different |
21:38.35 | Russ|werk | and when you try to talk to support about it, they are clueless |
21:39.28 | prpplague | hmm |
21:44.55 | prpplague | yeah, just installed j2re plugin, now mozilla crashes |
21:45.36 | prpplague | lovely |
22:01.50 | prpplague | TomW: this stuff might be fun - http://www.advancedinterconnections.com/bgastart.html |
22:05.32 | prpplague | ha, word is that riaa.org has been hax0red |
22:09.19 | Russ|werk | doesn't look hax0red |
22:09.48 | Russ|werk | http://riaa.org/PR_story.cfm?id=598 <- lame |
22:10.23 | Russ|werk | wow, if we turn the little switch for the internet to the off position, warezing stops |
22:10.59 | Lethal | thats not bad, the CVS webpage was hacked for about 2-3 months before people started complaining about the free porn :P |
22:12.56 | CosmicPenguin | Interesting.... riaa.org resolves, but www.riaa.org does not |
22:13.05 | Russ|werk | I was just trying to figure out in my head why more book piracy didn't happen, being that everyone has printers, and printing presses are everywhere |
22:13.26 | Russ|werk | then I realized, that books a generally sold close to the cost of production |
22:13.27 | Lethal | CosmicPenguin, you said that just as I was wondering why it wasn't connecting ;P |
22:13.56 | Russ|werk | as apposed to cd's, which are sold at probably 2000% above the cost of production |
22:15.15 | Lethal | Russ|werk, not worth it, paper + toner costs exceeds half your book costs, others you can just read in pdf ;P |
22:17.00 | prpplague | Russ|werk: did you make your pcb's with eagle? |
22:17.09 | Russ|werk | no, harry eaton's pcb |
22:18.08 | prpplague | Russ|werk: ahh |
22:18.42 | prpplague | Russ|werk: granted, i'm a newbie at doing pcb layouts, but i find eagle alot more usable |
22:19.46 | Russ|werk | I haven't used it |
22:19.50 | Russ|werk | any insight as to why? |
22:21.51 | prpplague | Russ|werk: ease of the drag-n-drop schematics i guess |
22:22.01 | prpplague | Russ|werk: i really should try pcb again |
22:22.10 | Russ|werk | what is a "drag-n-drop" schematic |
22:26.33 | prpplague | Russ|werk: you d-n-d components on the blank sheet, and then you can click connection points and it moves everything around to best fit |
22:26.49 | prpplague | Russ|werk: it also has a auto-route function |
22:27.03 | Russ|werk | ah, I prefer manual routing |
22:27.12 | prpplague | Russ|werk: you can do that as well |
22:27.13 | Russ|werk | I do the schematic in gschem |
22:27.16 | Russ|werk | load the netlist |
22:27.23 | Russ|werk | have it draw all the ratnest lines |
22:27.30 | Russ|werk | move and rotate stuff where I like it |
22:27.33 | Russ|werk | and then lay it out |
22:28.11 | Russ|werk | in that way, if I see X's in the ratnest, I can go back to gschem, see if those are lines that can be switched |
22:28.14 | Russ|werk | and then switch them |
22:35.49 | prpplague | TomW: electrolytic caps under eagle? |
22:49.27 | Russ|werk | one of the things I like about pcb, I have code setup to quickly build components |
22:49.31 | Russ|werk | (in c) |
22:50.00 | prpplague | Russ|werk: ya well your a c guru |
22:51.27 | Russ|werk | the end result is pretty simple, its like using logo |
22:56.32 | CosmicPenguin | mmm.... logo |
22:56.56 | CosmicPenguin | One time, I was gonna port logo to Microwindows, but I never got around to it |
22:57.44 | Russ|werk | pads_down(DIMA, 1, 10, 1); right(DIMC); pads_up(DIMA, 11, 20, 1);, etc |
22:58.05 | Russ|werk | (distance, start, end, increment) |