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| 02:21.55 | file | sorphin: do you have an extra I-Opener psu? |
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| 02:59.41 | prpplague | GPSFan: lo |
| 03:02.28 | prpplague | ibot: webpal |
| 03:02.29 | | i heard webpal is a set top box appliance that can run Linux. see http://webpal.bigbrd.com/ |
| 03:12.00 | sorphin | heh |
| 03:12.43 | MonMotha | neat device...though I think I'll have to pass unless they're giving them away :) |
| 03:13.48 | kergoth | MonMotha: for $13 they practically are |
| 03:14.05 | MonMotha | they're $13? |
| 03:14.07 | MonMotha | where? |
| 03:14.47 | prpplague | let me see if i have the url handy |
| 03:15.26 | file | http://www.softwareandstuff.com/h_misc_webpal.html |
| 03:15.27 | file | I think |
| 03:15.51 | prpplague | http://www.softwareandstuff.com/h_misc_webpal.html |
| 03:15.53 | prpplague | yep |
| 03:15.57 | file | :) |
| 03:16.01 | file | got that from memory too |
| 03:16.15 | prpplague | ibot: webpal is also http://www.softwareandstuff.com/h_misc_webpal.html |
| 03:16.15 | | prpplague: okay |
| 03:16.16 | MonMotha | not bad |
| 03:16.27 | MonMotha | how much does shipping normally run? |
| 03:16.40 | prpplague | $11 |
| 03:16.43 | MonMotha | looks like $11 :) |
| 03:16.46 | prpplague | pretty steep |
| 03:17.02 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:17.17 | prpplague | MonMotha: its got more than $25 of parts even if you don't do the arm stuff |
| 03:17.43 | MonMotha | I know |
| 03:17.50 | MonMotha | I'll probably get one |
| 03:17.57 | MonMotha | I was thinking another $100 device :) |
| 03:18.04 | prpplague | ahh |
| 03:18.14 | MonMotha | might even have to get 2...dunno |
| 03:18.23 | MonMotha | have to see how funds work out after x-mas is all said and done |
| 03:20.41 | sorphin | heh |
| 03:27.46 | jacques | sigh I didnt get out there today |
| 03:27.52 | jacques | had meeting |
| 03:28.03 | prpplague | jacques: ha, your webpal handicapped |
| 03:30.51 | jacques | yeah :-( |
| 03:30.57 | jacques | I cant be part of the club yet |
| 03:35.37 | prpplague | jacques: you not part of the in-crowd, go set at the popular table, your not welcome at the geek table :) |
| 03:40.22 | sorphin | prpplague: still wondering why file's welcome :P he has no webpal NOR tuxscreen :P |
| 03:40.44 | prpplague | sorphin: welcome to what? |
| 03:42.52 | sorphin | prpplague: the club, and for that matter, being in here or in #tuxscreen :P |
| 03:42.53 | prpplague | sorphin: education isn't excluse to those who own property |
| 03:43.15 | sorphin | prpplague: heh, no, just people that have a clue :P |
| 03:43.25 | prpplague | sorphin: lol, now now |
| 03:43.25 | sorphin | kergoth: you're allowed tho, even if you do work at digi ;) |
| 03:43.34 | kergoth | haha, woot |
| 03:43.40 | prpplague | sorphin: that would exlude most of worldcom NOC |
| 03:43.59 | sorphin | prpplague: prolly, i don't work there tho ;) |
| 03:44.01 | kergoth | hah |
| 03:44.32 | kergoth | goddamnit, why cant i find a decent free terminal emulation app with serial for windows |
| 03:44.38 | kergoth | what do i have to dig out my procomm floppies or what |
| 03:44.44 | prpplague | kergoth: whatcha looking for? |
| 03:44.51 | prpplague | kergoth: linux? |
| 03:45.12 | sorphin | kergoth: Telix :P |
| 03:45.20 | prpplague | kergoth: look for dave's telnet |
| 03:45.31 | prpplague | kergoth: works pretty well |
| 03:45.34 | kergoth | telix! man, thats oldschool |
| 03:45.37 | kergoth | wheres telemate |
| 03:45.42 | kergoth | i miss that too |
| 03:45.47 | prpplague | kergoth: or are you looking for serial/modem stuff? |
| 03:45.49 | sorphin | i used telix forever |
| 03:45.53 | kergoth | prpplague: serial, for windows atm |
| 03:45.58 | kergoth | prpplague: consoling my damn zaurus |
| 03:46.03 | prpplague | kergoth: ahh |
| 03:46.05 | sorphin | heh |
| 03:46.16 | prpplague | argh nooooooooooo |
| 03:46.26 | prpplague | get alpha communcator |
| 03:46.46 | sorphin | kergoth: if it's your zaurus, it needs more than consoling (not consoleing, but the one where you console someone :P ) (like consolation) |
| 03:47.03 | kergoth | prpplague: alpha communicator? |
| 03:47.14 | kergoth | sorphin: oh right. hehe. |
| 03:47.15 | prpplague | http://download.com.com/3000-2155-10103267.html?tag=lst-0-1 |
| 03:50.46 | prpplague | kergoth: its a good one |
| 04:07.08 | sorphin | prpplague: did you find any more working 32s? |
| 04:34.31 | prpplague | sorphin: ya about 8 |
| 04:34.41 | sorphin | :) |
| 04:34.45 | prpplague | sorphin: i don't know if its reading all the memory, but the device boots |
| 04:34.57 | sorphin | nod |
| 04:35.03 | prpplague | sorphin: i'm building the ttl-to-232 package tomorrow |
| 04:35.07 | sorphin | k |
| 04:35.16 | prpplague | sorphin: hopefull have linux running late tomorrow |
| 04:35.17 | sorphin | it linux sees all the mem on both, i'll take 2 ;) |
| 04:35.22 | prpplague | sorphin: then i can do some tests |
| 04:35.29 | prpplague | sorphin: ok |
| 04:35.40 | sorphin | see my bit about A12 ? |
| 04:35.50 | prpplague | sorphin: earlier today? |
| 04:36.00 | sorphin | which pin is which on which thing |
| 04:36.11 | prpplague | naw, must have missed it |
| 04:36.15 | sorphin | <sorphin> A12 = RA11 (pin 101) |
| 04:36.18 | sorphin | <sorphin> and on the simm slot it's 29 |
| 04:36.23 | prpplague | ahh |
| 04:36.38 | sorphin | *assuming* when he said A12 |
| 04:36.40 | prpplague | can you remind me tomorrow at the office |
| 04:36.46 | sorphin | he meant literal, and not counting from 0 |
| 04:36.46 | prpplague | ? |
| 04:37.15 | sorphin | cuz A12 (meaning starting w/ A0) is an RAS# line on most simms |
| 04:37.21 | sorphin | prpplague: ok homer |
| 04:37.28 | kergoth | Linux version 2.4.19-rmk4-cl1 (kergoth@oemx) (gcc version 2.95.3 20010315 (relea |
| 04:37.28 | kergoth | se)) #55 Wed Dec 18 22:21:25 CST 2002 |
| 04:37.28 | kergoth | CPU: Intel StrongARM-1110 revision 8 |
| 04:37.28 | prpplague | hmmmmm, beeeeeeer |
| 04:37.33 | kergoth | er mispaste |
| 04:37.36 | sorphin | heh |
| 04:37.41 | prpplague | kergoth: doh |
| 04:37.45 | prpplague | night guys |
| 04:37.49 | sorphin | ~fishslap kergoth for being a mispasting digiwhore |
| 04:37.50 | | ACTION slaps kergoth up side the head with a wet fish for being a mispasting digiwhore |
| 04:37.52 | sorphin | prpplague: night |
| 04:37.55 | kergoth | prpplague: night |
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| 05:14.28 | jacques | G FING D |
| 05:14.35 | jacques | 3 for 5 |
| 05:14.39 | jacques | 3 for 4 |
| 05:16.00 | jacques | any iptables users here? |
| 05:17.36 | jacques | ibot: test |
| 05:17.37 | | Test successful! |
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| 05:23.16 | MonMotha | jacques: what you need? |
| 05:25.00 | jacques | MonMotha: i have a linux box with 2 NICs - we are using it as a firewall |
| 05:25.17 | jacques | I did not set it up, but it's using iptabled rules |
| 05:25.44 | jacques | I need to forward requests for a certain port from outside to a machine on the inside |
| 05:26.30 | jacques | i found some docs but the commands were not working then I did something that screwed up my port 80 access to the outside so I could not look at docs on the web anymore, but I just undid that |
| 05:26.37 | bmidgley | BZFlag: do you work for motorola now? |
| 05:26.46 | jacques | so I am back to square 1 |
| 05:28.09 | jacques | actually maybe I didnt undo that... :-\ |
| 05:28.18 | jacques | lol |
| 05:28.35 | jacques | I'm forwarding all port 80 requests form the inside to my machine on the inside d'oh! |
| 05:28.46 | MonMotha | jacques: yep :) |
| 05:29.01 | MonMotha | throw an interface match and/or IP address match (your outside IP addy) on the DNAT line |
| 05:29.15 | MonMotha | I did that to myself once :) |
| 05:29.18 | MonMotha | very fun |
| 05:29.40 | jacques | MonMotha: thanks! |
| 05:30.04 | jacques | first to figure out how to delete the bad rules |
| 05:32.17 | MonMotha | iptables -D |
| 05:33.17 | jacques | heh I need to delete the port 80 forward first :-) |
| 05:34.19 | jacques | i love how the terminology is confusing - -D deletes from the selected chain, but when I put PREROUTING as the chain nameis says no such chain |
| 05:34.25 | jacques | mayne I also need a -t nat |
| 05:34.28 | BZFlag | bmidgley: nope. CTO does not qualify as key management or key engineering I guess. |
| 05:34.46 | jacques | yeah the -t nat helped |
| 05:36.35 | MonMotha | jacques: yeah, it assumes filter table unless you specify otherwise |
| 05:36.58 | MonMotha | well, I must be getting to bed |
| 05:37.02 | MonMotha | any last questions jacques? |
| 05:38.22 | jacques | MonMotha: thanks for your help I think I have enough to go on now |
| 05:39.55 | MonMotha | k |
| 05:42.59 | jacques | :-( |
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| 06:12.20 | jacques | iptabled needs a debugger |
| 06:12.24 | jacques | iptabled |
| 06:12.26 | jacques | iptables |
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| 13:51.15 | sorphin | ~fishslap tomw |
| 13:51.17 | | ACTION slaps tomw up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 13:51.34 | sorphin | excuse you stinky |
| 13:51.36 | sorphin | :P |
| 13:51.45 | TomW | morning all |
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| 13:52.09 | sorphin | TomW: was wondering when you were gonna appear.. need you confirm a finding of mine ;p |
| 13:52.16 | TomW | well, one machine down, another to build up today, then I can do some webpal work. |
| 13:52.26 | TomW | k |
| 13:52.56 | TomW | sorphin: what's up |
| 13:53.22 | sorphin | well, from *my* standpoint |
| 13:53.33 | sorphin | A12 = RA11 = pin 101 on the ARM |
| 13:53.42 | TomW | I spoke with bill danielson (webpal.bigbrd.com) and he has no problem with me mirroring his stuff. |
| 13:53.49 | sorphin | and A12 = A11 = pin 29 on the simm slot |
| 13:54.26 | TomW | I was afraid that someone was going to ask me about that shit: the tux ram wiring... |
| 13:54.49 | sorphin | based on the fact the arm/simm number starting at 0, and if you go by that and then assume A12 = A12, then you're actually hitting an RAS# line |
| 13:54.50 | sorphin | :P |
| 13:55.03 | sorphin | which isn't really a good notion |
| 13:55.54 | sorphin | now, if you're normal and look at them counting from 0 and think A11 is A12 (the 12th addr line).. then it's A11/NC, which is more logical |
| 13:56.12 | TomW | Well, yes, you can drive a RAS line with and address line and get the expected result. The address line goes valid before the true CAS line, so you could substitude an address line. |
| 13:56.42 | TomW | s/and address/an address/ |
| 13:57.05 | sorphin | heh |
| 13:57.34 | sorphin | maybe you should look at it then :P |
| 13:57.58 | sorphin | and the 7500 sheet |
| 13:58.21 | TomW | I think the notation that you are seeing deals with the difference between a 12x10 and a 13x9 organization of the ML4LC16 Micron device. Micron offers that device in the 8K & 4K refresh (13 column / 12 column) |
| 13:59.16 | sorphin | just the 2 spec sheets (jedec vs cirrus 7500) |
| 13:59.24 | TomW | The same was true of the DRAM sticks that you could put in a PC. The sticks were either 8K / 4K refresh. The "refresh" is tied directly to the number of columns. |
| 14:00.25 | sorphin | right |
| 14:00.27 | TomW | _ALL_ PC's had to "test" the RAM to determine which organiztion the DRAM Modules used, that is part of the POST (Power On System Test). |
| 14:01.25 | TomW | In the embedded world, we don't usually concern ourselves with the DRAM organization, as the manufacturer of the board has already made the design determination as to which device(s) they will support and soldered them onto the board for us. |
| 14:02.07 | sorphin | my only "confusion" comes in w/ bigbrd boy, whether he means A0-A13 -literal- A12, or A11, A12 (A11 being the 12th addr line) |
| 14:02.31 | TomW | sorphin: except when it comes to people like us who are adding more ram to a finished design (hacking it), now we have to consider the ram organization and possibly reprogramming of the DRAM controller. |
| 14:03.28 | TomW | sorphin: I haven't yet delved into the webpal to see how it is wired. |
| 14:03.50 | sorphin | heh |
| 14:04.07 | TomW | sorphin: that will be one of the primary areas that I will hit first is how the FLASH & DRAM are attached to the processor. |
| 14:04.12 | sorphin | you can tell looking at the spec sheets |
| 14:04.17 | TomW | s/attached/wired/ |
| 14:04.22 | sorphin | it's just whether HE was being literal or not |
| 14:04.33 | sorphin | i suppose i could look right now since mine is open |
| 14:04.56 | TomW | hmmm, I haven't gone that deeply into it yet. |
| 14:06.28 | TomW | I think I know what you are talking about as there was a mention about A12 missing from the RAM socket, wasn't there? |
| 14:07.03 | sorphin | yes |
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| 14:07.09 | sorphin | which A12 would allow 4k |
| 14:07.15 | sorphin | whereas w/o it's 2k |
| 14:08.52 | TomW | then the organization would be 11x11 |
| 14:09.17 | TomW | that was a valid organization for the Tux, if you recall. |
| 14:09.26 | TomW | s/Tux/SA1100/ |
| 14:09.35 | sorphin | well, 4k is what most simms you can find are |
| 14:09.53 | TomW | Well, I do have some 72pin 16Meg simms here... |
| 14:09.56 | sorphin | as prpplague found while doing his dual bank testing.. |
| 14:10.05 | sorphin | he found some 32s that appear to work |
| 14:10.17 | sorphin | won't know for sure till he builds his serial toy today and throws linux on |
| 14:10.21 | sorphin | since it'll report memory |
| 14:11.52 | sorphin | ok, off to commute to work... bbl |
| 14:13.49 | TomW | huh, I don't see anything in the PS7500FE manual about changing the DRAM organization. |
| 14:15.04 | TomW | Oh shit |
| 14:15.15 | TomW | It is only an 11x11 organization. |
| 14:23.53 | TomW | batteries are dead in the HEX calculator so I cannot "think" today. :( |
| 14:29.55 | TomW | file: yeah, I wish, I went to radio shack and CVS drug looking for new ones... but... |
| 14:30.41 | TomW | Frustrating that only a cheap-o $5 calculator from WalMart is the only one I found that can do Hex math! |
| 14:31.15 | TomW | I have a Casio scientific, but that is missing Logical operations on it. |
| 14:34.37 | TomW | ah, kcalc is what I need. |
| 14:35.12 | file | come on Mr. Postman, deliver my mail |
| 14:38.18 | TomW | file: what'cha waiting on? |
| 14:38.38 | file | TomW: a Multimedia Card for my MP3 Player, PCI USB Controller, and a new mouse |
| 14:40.06 | TomW | sorphin: since there are four RAS lines, perhaps we can "trick" the processor into thinking we have two banks of memory installed. |
| 14:40.32 | CosmicPenguin | Good morning world! |
| 14:40.36 | file | CosmicPenguin: hi |
| 14:40.43 | TomW | sorphin: each bank is only 16bits wide x 8Meg deep which would be a total of 16Meg per bank. |
| 14:41.32 | TomW | sorphin: that way, we can take a 32Meg SODIMM / DIMM and make it appear as two seperate 16Meg banks. |
| 14:41.50 | TomW | sorphin: ? |
| 14:42.12 | TomW | sorphin: I need to see a schematic to "think" it out. |
| 14:42.35 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: about time you dragged your lazy butt out into the world! heh |
| 14:43.04 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: We'all been here for 10 minutes or so already... |
| 14:45.44 | TomW | well, I have another machine to build up, once I get this thing delivered (tomorrow hopefully), I can start tinkering with the webpal. bbl |
| 15:06.02 | CosmicPenguin | So whats the news with the memory? |
| 15:06.13 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: still don't think you can have something useful with 4MB of memory? :) |
| 15:06.37 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: nope ;) |
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| 15:40.48 | kergoth | yo |
| 15:40.53 | sorphin | lo |
| 15:42.48 | CosmicPenguin | ho |
| 15:43.02 | GPSFan | snow! |
| 15:43.09 | sorphin | GPSFan: No |
| 15:43.27 | CosmicPenguin | Thank you very much! We'll be here all week! |
| 15:43.43 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: and no, kergoth isn't a ho, he's a bitch |
| 15:43.52 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: thats right, I'm the ho |
| 15:44.00 | sorphin | actually |
| 15:44.06 | sorphin | prpplague is |
| 15:44.16 | sorphin | you're just the pixilator |
| 15:45.29 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: what would you call an engineer that will do anything for a contract? |
| 15:45.56 | GPSFan | sorphin: if you need 72pin EDO for the WebPal try http://www.computersurplusoutlet.com/viewproduct.asp?ProductID=MEM-EDO326 or http://www.computersurplusoutlet.com/viewproduct.asp?ProductID=MEM-EDO646 I know they are almost as much as a WebPal (or more) but they look like they whould work. |
| 15:48.57 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: truely sad |
| 15:49.26 | kergoth | hm, dave isnt online yet |
| 15:49.31 | sorphin | GPSFan: i have simms (cept 32s, which prpplague will hook me up on).., |
| 15:49.35 | kergoth | ibot: botmail for prpplague: drop me a line when you get online. |
| 15:49.37 | sorphin | not gonna pay $12 for simms tho ;) |
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| 15:50.19 | sorphin | speaking of corporate whores |
| 15:50.24 | sorphin | sjhill: allo steve |
| 15:50.42 | file | hi sjhill |
| 15:51.06 | sjhill | bah! |
| 15:51.10 | sorphin | ;) |
| 15:51.20 | sjhill | i'm not a corporate whore anymore...i'm an outcast |
| 15:51.24 | sjhill | hi file |
| 15:51.34 | sorphin | sjhill: but you will be again :P |
| 15:51.52 | sjhill | sorphin: maybe, i'm seriously considering contracting again |
| 15:51.59 | sorphin | ROTFL |
| 15:52.08 | sorphin | <CosmicPenguin> sorphin: what would you call an engineer that will do anything |
| 15:52.08 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:52.15 | sorphin | i think that fits then ;) |
| 15:52.58 | sorphin | i still want this chick on the front of cirrus' site :P |
| 15:55.16 | GPSFan | sorphin: $9/32M is expensive by SDRAM standards, but for EDO, which is getting scarce it's not bad. I have 2 32M EDO simms that boot up in my WebPals. |
| 15:56.12 | sorphin | nod |
| 15:57.05 | sorphin | prpplague has 8 that work |
| 15:58.06 | GPSFan | ;>) |
| 16:18.47 | kergoth | what time does dave usually drag his ass onto irc? |
| 16:18.57 | sorphin | seems to vary |
| 16:19.07 | kergoth | hm, thats not very helpful |
| 16:19.07 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:19.15 | sorphin | well, i'm not his watcher :P |
| 16:19.31 | sorphin | ping sieve :P |
| 16:19.32 | sorphin | he'd know |
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| 16:27.32 | sorphin | allo mr bznotctoflag |
| 16:31.31 | CosmicPenguin | I have accompished something that few in this room ever have |
| 16:31.53 | CosmicPenguin | I have actually recieved a physical package from Advantage Business Computers |
| 16:31.59 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: heh |
| 16:31.59 | CosmicPenguin | :) |
| 16:32.14 | sorphin | and it is... |
| 16:32.32 | CosmicPenguin | A bunch of shredded chinese newspapers... |
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| 16:46.02 | sieve | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 16:47.26 | CosmicPenguin | sieve: no offense of course, its just that our friend file spent many lonely days watching the mailbox for a TSCX-1 |
| 16:47.28 | sieve | kergoth: he's gonig to be a little late today.. |
| 16:48.20 | kergoth | sieve: ahh okay. any idea when? |
| 16:49.34 | sieve | should be a few |
| 16:49.45 | sieve | actually he just walked in |
| 16:49.46 | sieve | :) |
| 16:49.52 | sorphin | damn slacker |
| 16:49.54 | kergoth | ah, okay good |
| 16:50.01 | kergoth | i wish i could walk in at 11 |
| 16:50.03 | kergoth | :P |
| 16:50.09 | sieve | heh |
| 16:50.21 | sorphin | i walk in somewhere between 9 and 9:30 and leave at 5 |
| 16:51.38 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: great to know that our crack telcom engineers are on the job |
| 16:51.55 | sorphin | well, i don't support customers, so.. ;) |
| 16:53.54 | sorphin | speaking of crack.. that crack smoker needs to hurry up and login like the rest of us :P |
| 16:54.44 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: yeah, nobody ever accused a telcom company of supporting their customers |
| 16:55.05 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: well, it's not my job to deal w/ custs at all |
| 16:55.21 | sieve | we have inventory peeps in the way up here |
| 16:55.37 | sorphin | fun |
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| 16:56.12 | sorphin | prpplague: bout time ya slacker |
| 16:56.33 | prpplague | sorphin: what up dude? |
| 16:56.46 | sorphin | prpplague: kergoth has been waitin on you |
| 16:57.08 | prpplague | sorphin: ya chatting with him now |
| 16:57.13 | sorphin | ah |
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| 17:09.12 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: tmtmtl! |
| 17:09.31 | sorphin | ? |
| 17:09.37 | kergoth | ? |
| 17:09.41 | CosmicPenguin | The man, the myth, the legend! |
| 17:09.42 | sjhill | ? |
| 17:09.44 | sjhill | ah |
| 17:09.50 | sorphin | you mean |
| 17:09.51 | sorphin | the man |
| 17:09.53 | kergoth | you say that enough you need an acronym? |
| 17:09.53 | sorphin | the myth |
| 17:10.00 | sorphin | the compulsive masterbator :P |
| 17:10.10 | sjhill | sorphin: hey watch it, that's me too |
| 17:10.16 | sorphin | tmi |
| 17:10.25 | sjhill | tmi? |
| 17:10.30 | kergoth | too much information |
| 17:10.34 | sorphin | yup |
| 17:10.34 | sjhill | lol |
| 17:10.49 | prpplague | lol |
| 17:11.28 | sjhill | just bought a Indigo external scsi cd-rom and scored an irix 5.3 media set with it |
| 17:11.28 | sorphin | gonna buy my I2? :P |
| 17:11.40 | sjhill | sorphin: nah, already have one :) |
| 17:11.46 | sorphin | it's running .17 :P |
| 17:11.57 | sjhill | sorphin: the guy wants to trade me an Indy for one of my Indigo r4k machines though |
| 17:12.05 | sorphin | heh |
| 17:12.17 | sjhill | i'm trying to figure out if i really want to |
| 17:13.11 | sorphin | sjhill: tell him you want an O2 ;) |
| 17:14.49 | CosmicPenguin | mmm... I love O2 its my favorite gas |
| 17:15.02 | sorphin | uh huh |
| 17:16.04 | CosmicPenguin | Ahh! |
| 17:17.45 | CosmicPenguin | Thats not good |
| 17:17.49 | sorphin | nope |
| 17:17.50 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: got my package :) |
| 17:17.52 | CosmicPenguin | Thank you much! |
| 17:17.57 | file[desk] | CosmicPenguin: I curse you! I want mine! |
| 17:18.24 | sjhill | sorphin: i already have an O2 :) |
| 17:18.45 | sorphin | sjhill: how bout an Origin ? |
| 17:20.07 | sjhill | sorphin: now that i don't have :) |
| 17:20.11 | sorphin | ;) |
| 17:20.47 | file[desk] | sjhill: how goeth the job search? |
| 17:21.56 | CosmicPenguin | If you start disassembling any electronic device immediately after receving it - you might be a geek |
| 17:22.27 | file[desk] | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
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| 17:25.46 | sjhill | file[desk]: crappy |
| 17:26.01 | file[desk] | sjhill: bah |
| 17:27.14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: np, my pleasure |
| 17:27.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: whatcha think of the thin client? |
| 17:27.36 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: any advice - how does the bootup procedure work? |
| 17:28.29 | sorphin | heh |
| 17:28.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: on what? the thin client? |
| 17:29.05 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: yeah - is it a DOC, or what? |
| 17:29.18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: naw, it has a internal cf slot |
| 17:29.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you can also include a laptop harddrive |
| 17:29.32 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: beautiful |
| 17:30.02 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: so to dick with it, you really need to keep it disassembled |
| 17:30.12 | CosmicPenguin | Or get a laptop harddrive |
| 17:30.48 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: don't forget to use protection :P (smirk) (practice safe hacking, always wear a static strap *smirk*) |
| 17:31.00 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: yeah, I'll keep that in mind |
| 17:31.57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yep |
| 17:36.47 | prpplague | brb |
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| 17:42.06 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: lookin' good |
| 17:42.33 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: what? |
| 17:42.43 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: the Maxan |
| 17:42.46 | prpplague | ahh |
| 17:43.13 | prpplague | i upgraded my mozilla and its shitting on me |
| 17:48.28 | file[desk] | lol @ letter |
| 17:48.42 | file[desk] | I didn't know there was a province with the initials MB... |
| 17:48.53 | prpplague | manatoba? |
| 17:49.05 | file[desk] | nah that's not a province |
| 17:49.31 | file[desk] | darn it - the sun's back |
| 17:49.35 | file[desk] | can't see... monitor |
| 17:49.45 | sorphin | prpplague: prolly wise to stay that way |
| 17:50.41 | file[desk] | bbl - going to living room to watch TV |
| 17:50.50 | CosmicPenguin | file[desk]: the sunnn... it burns.... my precious..... |
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| 17:51.28 | prpplague | file[desk]: why aren't you in school? |
| 17:51.39 | aiban | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:52.19 | CosmicPenguin | good, good, and kickass movie |
| 17:53.06 | aiban | :). agree 100%, but I was referring to the Japanese Open Source OS named "Tron." |
| 17:53.46 | sorphin | never heard of it |
| 17:53.51 | prpplague | aiban: probably not gonna find too many people here that play the politics stuff |
| 17:53.56 | aiban | I wish I knew more about it because it would be easier to explain Linux/Open Source to Japanese natives if I could refer to their own Tron. |
| 17:53.57 | prpplague | aiban: we just code and hack |
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| 17:55.06 | file | anybody see "The One"? |
| 17:55.12 | file | it's coming on Starz soon... |
| 17:55.15 | aiban | I thought coding and hacking was a form of politics;) |
| 17:55.22 | sorphin | nope |
| 17:56.05 | CosmicPenguin | Thats whast RMS and ESR want you to think |
| 17:56.13 | aiban | what do you think |
| 17:57.11 | CosmicPenguin | aiban: I don't think anything - its easier that way |
| 17:57.32 | aiban | that's zen |
| 17:57.59 | CosmicPenguin | aiban: thats actually just a lazy human being... but zen works too |
| 17:59.57 | aiban | so you all hack Linux, because you can? Non-open source doesn't allow you to hack, so you don't play with it because you can't, right? |
| 18:00.02 | sorphin | yay my zaurus is finally here |
| 18:03.10 | CosmicPenguin | aiban: something like that - we just like playing with new toys, and Linux is free, and easy to modify |
| 18:09.21 | kergoth | sorphin: nice |
| 18:10.30 | sorphin | bottom of the shipping box was slightly moist in the corner, but the zaurus's box appears ok |
| 18:11.09 | sjhill | sorphin: somebody peed on it |
| 18:11.16 | sorphin | sjhill: no |
| 18:11.18 | sorphin | it's rain |
| 18:23.16 | prpplague | kergoth: is the digi connect you have ots? |
| 18:24.44 | file | Futureshop sent me the wrong thing |
| 18:24.48 | file | they sent a Firewire card instead of USB! |
| 18:25.12 | file | clearly this thing marked "DV Firewire Card" in bright yellow letters is not a USB card |
| 18:25.13 | CosmicPenguin | bastards! |
| 18:27.05 | CosmicPenguin | Not that I would mind if somebody sent me one of those by accident |
| 18:27.44 | file | I can't even find it on their site |
| 18:31.10 | fontenot | but it's not that great if you actually need to use USB devices. |
| 18:33.00 | file | I can go to the store and get it exchanged |
| 18:33.03 | file | fontenot: exactly |
| 18:33.09 | file | she's checking if they have any in stock |
| 18:38.18 | file | dammit |
| 18:38.20 | file | there's none there |
| 18:38.28 | file | but they've got the ADS One, if I pay $5 I can have it |
| 18:38.59 | file | bbl |
| 18:48.14 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: 32 |
| 18:51.41 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: i agree |
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| 19:07.36 | kergoth | Russ|werk: so are you merging your bl/fl stuff with nico's in pxa or am I? :P |
| 19:07.54 | Russ|werk | I dunno, I've just been sitting on it for too long with out doing anything with it |
| 19:08.00 | Russ|werk | so I figured I'd put it out there |
| 19:08.17 | kergoth | Russ|werk: yep, i saw it when i was looking at your keyboard stuff in the tuxscreen patch, which is why i sent the email in the first place :) |
| 19:08.48 | Russ|werk | its supposed to be a patch that would work equally well for x86 and ppc, etc |
| 19:10.26 | Russ|werk | I think the apm issue is really the only serious one |
| 19:10.41 | Russ|werk | when I wrote it, I didn't realize that many displays are very readable with the backlight off |
| 19:11.21 | kergoth | ah |
| 19:14.35 | kergoth | burritos, man, that sounds good |
| 19:18.41 | Russ|werk | anybody remember who designed the shanip mods? |
| 19:29.11 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: SpaceCoaster was in on it |
| 19:29.12 | file[desk] | my boss is calling Futureshop... about my order |
| 19:29.21 | CosmicPenguin | Haven't seen him around in about a year |
| 19:34.05 | Russ|werk | hmmm...do you know which shanip mod I should do? |
| 19:50.42 | GPSFan | Russ|werk: the original mod came via BZFlag. Then Gork, SpaceCoaster & I hacked on it a while reducing the complexity. Shanip3 was an attempt to reduce the component count so that it could be easily built without a PCB. |
| 19:54.44 | Russ|werk | GPSFan: so if I were to produce a pcb, which mod should I use? |
| 19:54.55 | Russ|werk | GPSFan: shanip1, because its the most complex? |
| 19:59.58 | GPSFan | Russ|werk: the problem with Shanip1 was that the op amp gain was too high, and was overdriving the A/D input on the UCB1200. |
| 20:00.45 | Russ|werk | so can't you just put a different feedback loop thingy on there and get a smaller gain? |
| 20:00.55 | Russ|werk | change your resistors around |
| 20:01.26 | GPSFan | Russ|werk: there are 2 audio paths involved, SPKR out to T/R IN and T/R out to MIC in. both have to be AC coupled and attenuated so as to not overload the input circuits. |
| 20:03.04 | GPSFan | Russ|werk: the LM386 is fixed gain, thus the R5/R6 atten on it's input. As I remember the comments from those that built the original Shanip complained of very distorted audio. |
| 20:04.12 | Russ|werk | do you want to do a bit of redesign before I stamp these things? |
| 20:07.17 | GPSFan | Russ|werk: I built a shanip3 on the back of mu tux board, it's in pieces waiting for another round tuit. At onetime Gork had most of a VOIP solution running but never got around to releasing it. |
| 20:07.54 | GPSFan | Russ|werk: let me look over the schematics a bit tonight and see if there is anything I would change. |
| 20:08.19 | Russ|werk | I'm going to make a panel with jtag stuff, shanip stuff, and some rs232 level converters for the webpal |
| 20:11.08 | GPSFan | Russ|werk: that sounds good, got any $ target yet? |
| 20:11.16 | CosmicPenguin | thats one bountiful panel |
| 20:11.39 | Russ|werk | $26 for a panel+shipping (6.3"x3.9") |
| 20:12.00 | Russ|werk | additional panels for $20 |
| 20:12.17 | Russ|werk | I'm trying to make a generic jtag interface for tinkerers |
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| 21:25.18 | CosmicPenguin | ratebeer is charging? They want me to pay to see what brainless idiot said about beer in Utah? |
| 21:37.03 | GPSFan | Russ|werk: I put together a pair of block diagrams that show a simplified view of Shanip2 and Shanip3, they are at: http://tuxscreen.net/download/schematics/shanip2bd.pdf and http://tuxscreen.net/download/schematics/shanip3bd.pdf |
| 21:37.24 | sorphin | GPSFan: from what i read |
| 21:37.31 | sorphin | shanip3 was "experimental" |
| 21:39.22 | GPSFan | sorphin: yep, because that's what I put in the wiki description. |
| 21:39.39 | MonMotha | has anyone hacked a mic input into the shanip...I assume it wouldn't be too difficult, btu I suck at analog stuff |
| 21:43.49 | Russ|werk | what about volume control? |
| 21:50.40 | GPSFan | Russ|werk: the UCP1200 has adjustable gains in the speaker amp and mic input path, neither of which are used in the original design, alternately one or the other of the fixed attenuators on the Shanip3 could be made variable. |
| 21:56.31 | GPSFan | Russ|werk: Gork did an ExpressPCB layout that had a volume control for the audio jack output, he also had one with a MAX232 on it. |
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| 22:16.06 | prpplague | argh, i need to get a digikey order ready..... |
| 22:16.17 | sorphin | prpplague: my sympathy |
| 22:17.51 | prpplague | sorphin: i think i'm gonna hold off till tomorrow, with the mode i'm in, i'll probably order the wrong stuff |
| 22:18.30 | GPSFan | prpplague: do you know a good place to get CF-IDE adapters? |
| 22:19.26 | prpplague | GPSFan: ya me |
| 22:19.40 | prpplague | GPSFan: how many do you need? |
| 22:19.48 | Russ|werk | GPSFan: ya, I saw that |
| 22:20.09 | Russ|werk | GPSFan: basically, I just want to know what would be best to put on these shanip pcb's |
| 22:20.46 | GPSFan | prpplague: I need one for each WebPal, ie. 2 I also need to know a good source for bunches. |
| 22:20.55 | Russ|werk | ok, the generic jtag dongle.. |
| 22:21.16 | Russ|werk | solder a db25 on one side, it has a row of 17 pads on the other side top and bottom |
| 22:21.34 | prpplague | GPSFan: you can get them through me, one of our sub-contractors makes them, they will be $9+SH |
| 22:21.36 | Russ|werk | 34 0.100" connected to those pads |
| 22:21.46 | Russ|werk | 15 0.100" holes for the extra lpt pins |
| 22:22.20 | Russ|werk | 14 0.100" to 12 buffer input/outputs and V+/GND |
| 22:22.31 | Russ|werk | one SO-20 octal buffer |
| 22:22.37 | Russ|werk | one 0805 decoupling cap |
| 22:22.55 | GPSFan | Russ|werk i've looked over shanip2 vs 3 and I'd go with 3. The audio output is isolated in 3, and the cap between micgnd on the UCB1200 and T/R OUT- is not needed. |
| 22:23.05 | sorphin | prpplague: build that rs232 bit yet? |
| 22:23.06 | prpplague | Russ|werk: that ttl board on bigbrd's sight shows him using electrolytic caps, can i sub tants or mono's for them? |
| 22:23.07 | Russ|werk | total size, 0.800"x1.700" |
| 22:23.12 | prpplague | sorphin: working on it now |
| 22:23.15 | sorphin | :) |
| 22:23.22 | prpplague | sorphin: just clocked out on a break |
| 22:23.31 | Russ|werk | prpplague: whenever I do charge pump caps, I use 0.1" decoupling caps |
| 22:23.39 | prpplague | sorphin: i also ordered a few of those rs-1 boards |
| 22:24.09 | sorphin | prpplague: wow.. you actually clock in/out? |
| 22:24.10 | sorphin | scary |
| 22:24.46 | prpplague | Russ|werk: i was thinking more of hand soldered stuff |
| 22:24.55 | Russ|werk | this will be hand solderable |
| 22:25.15 | prpplague | Russ|werk: hmm, then i must not be understanding |
| 22:25.58 | Russ|werk | stuff doesn't have to be dil to be hand solderable |
| 22:26.23 | sorphin | kergoth: yo |
| 22:26.45 | kergoth | sorphin: hey |
| 22:26.54 | sorphin | a Z question |
| 22:26.59 | kergoth | ask away |
| 22:27.11 | sorphin | it nativly has QT but is QTopia replaceable or.... |
| 22:27.19 | sorphin | getting mixed info here |
| 22:27.38 | Russ|werk | http://rcm.dhs.org/serial.png http://rcm.dhs.org/jtag.png |
| 22:27.51 | GPSFan | prpplague: I'll need bunches if the WebPal ever turns out to be a viable embedded platform. |
| 22:28.06 | prpplague | GPSFan: np, i can hook you up |
| 22:28.27 | kergoth | sorphin: the qtopia palmtop envirnmetn uses the qt/embedded library |
| 22:28.30 | sorphin | Russ|werk: looks good to me |
| 22:28.31 | GPSFan | prpplague: but for now 2 will do. |
| 22:28.34 | prpplague | Russ|werk: so the cap type doesn't really matter as long as the value is correct |
| 22:28.44 | sorphin | prpplague: correct |
| 22:28.46 | kergoth | sorphin: which is direct to FB output, and the qws window management |
| 22:28.50 | prpplague | GPSFan: send me an email with a shipping address |
| 22:29.02 | kergoth | sorphin: qtopia can of course be replaced, with opie, which also uses qt/e, or picogui, or tinyx, or what have you |
| 22:29.16 | sorphin | kergoth: a friend said to ditch QT and throw on qtopia.. i don't think he knew what he was saying ;) |
| 22:29.17 | Russ|werk | little bit of cleanup required |
| 22:29.28 | kergoth | sorphin: he definately didnt know what he was talking about |
| 22:29.36 | Russ|werk | the idea with the jtag, is that every unit is different, so you get the write connector on the end (double or single row) |
| 22:29.48 | Russ|werk | then use the blank pins as breadboard |
| 22:30.00 | sorphin | prpplague: sending out what? i'm catching bits and pieces here ;) |
| 22:30.14 | sorphin | kergoth: ah |
| 22:30.22 | sorphin | Russ|werk: sounds alright |
| 22:30.23 | prpplague | sorphin: cf-ide |
| 22:30.27 | sorphin | ah |
| 22:30.40 | sorphin | prpplague: how much? |
| 22:30.57 | prpplague | sorphin: $99 for you |
| 22:30.59 | Russ|werk | GPSFan: so the shanip3? |
| 22:30.59 | sorphin | heh |
| 22:31.03 | Russ|werk | GPSFan: any shortcomings? |
| 22:31.13 | prpplague | sorphin: $9+SH |
| 22:31.21 | sorphin | prpplague: k |
| 22:32.00 | prpplague | ibot: ttl to 232 |
| 22:32.01 | | prpplague: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 22:32.04 | prpplague | ibot: ttl to rs232 |
| 22:32.05 | | bugger all, i dunno, prpplague |
| 22:32.08 | prpplague | ibot: ttl to rs-232 |
| 22:32.08 | | i heard ttl to rs-232 is http://www.al-williams.com/rs1.htm |
| 22:32.15 | sorphin | prpplague: where are they coming from? (i.e. any pic?) |
| 22:32.37 | GPSFan | Russ|werk: I don't think so, but it would be nice if someone else prototyped it and did a bit more extensive testing than I did. |
| 22:32.49 | prpplague | sorphin: one of our subs is producing them for maxspeed |
| 22:32.56 | sorphin | ah |
| 22:33.47 | GPSFan | Russ|werk: correct-a-mundo... |
| 22:35.20 | prpplague | crap i need to order some parts but i can't think straight will as this crap going on at the office |
| 22:36.54 | Russ|werk | GPSFan: what is the purpose of the audio jack? |
| 22:39.54 | GPSFan | Russ|werk: I think Gork wanted to use headphones instead of using the Tux's speaker. |
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| 22:44.49 | Russ|werk | on your schematics, you have headers, I'm guessing those are imagined headers |
| 22:51.16 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: how many of those rs-1 boards did you get? |
| 22:51.21 | CosmicPenguin | Can I buy one off ya? |
| 22:52.17 | GPSFan | Russ|werk: the original Shanip had 2 headers I just kept thsm for reference. Could be done with 1, or none or just pcb holes. |
| 22:52.37 | GPSFan | s/thsm/them |
| 22:53.46 | kergoth | sorphin: now go install openzaurus :) |
| 22:54.28 | Russ|werk | and what value did you choose for TDB |
| 22:54.31 | Russ|werk | er |
| 22:54.33 | Russ|werk | TBD |
| 22:56.59 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i order 10 but i can't seem to get a confirmation |
| 22:57.02 | GPSFan | Russ|werk: the TBD really depends on your headphones, or what you are driving with that output. the UCB1200 speaker output is lo-z (sort of). |
| 22:57.25 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm ordering enough stuff from jameco/digikey to put 10 units together as well |
| 22:57.35 | GPSFan | bbl |
| 22:57.43 | kergoth | prpplague: got mail |
| 23:00.27 | prpplague | kergoth: yep, sounds good |
| 23:00.39 | prpplague | kergoth: i'm scheduled to start work full time on it tuesday |
| 23:00.54 | kergoth | prpplague: alright cool. |
| 23:01.45 | prpplague | ha i got tickets for a midnight show of TTT |
| 23:02.43 | sorphin | kergoth: openzaurus? |
| 23:03.04 | kergoth | sorphin: http://openzaurus.org/ |
| 23:03.41 | prpplague | sorphin: kergoth is the lead developer of an alternate rom for the sharp zaurus |
| 23:04.08 | kergoth | sorphin: It Sucks Less (tm) |
| 23:05.32 | sorphin | hmm |
| 23:05.36 | sorphin | i duno bout htat ;) |
| 23:05.42 | sorphin | if it's written by a digidrone ;) |
| 23:06.30 | sorphin | heh |
| 23:06.41 | sorphin | # It boots. |
| 23:06.41 | sorphin | # mtd driver works, rootfs mounts readwrite just fine |
| 23:06.43 | sorphin | # framebuffer driver appears to work, lcd powers up and displays a perty penguin, if sideways. |
| 23:06.48 | sorphin | "appears to work"? :P |
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| 23:08.07 | sorphin | bbl. heading home. |
| 23:08.24 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: let me know, I want to help |
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| 23:09.03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ok |
| 23:11.19 | prpplague | hmmm, account setup....."please enter a challenge question and response" "name of you favorite stripper" "jewels" |
| 23:16.00 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: should I save this stuff on the CF? Is that your version of LInux? |
| 23:18.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: it was a test run of a some thin client stuff, pretty ugly |
| 23:18.41 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: only save it you want something laugh at |
| 23:18.57 | *** topic/#eLinux by sjhill-afk -> PRP: favorite stripper = jewels CP: should i save this stuff on CF? |
| 23:19.25 | prpplague | sjhill: lo |
| 23:19.30 | sjhill | hi :) |
| 23:20.03 | *** topic/#eLinux by sjhill -> Embedded Linux || http://eLinux.org/ || cross compile, uClibc, busybox, tinylogin, handhelds, post-sale linux installs ;-), etc. |
| 23:26.10 | sjhill | sorphin: i sent the box of CDRs |
| 23:30.41 | kergoth | sorphin: bah, smartass |
| 23:37.36 | MonMotha | Russ|werk: any suggesstions on adding a mic jack (so we'd have both line out and mic in)? |
| 23:37.39 | MonMotha | for things like headsets |
| 23:38.05 | Russ|werk | *shurg*, there is already a handset, plug a headset into that |
| 23:38.30 | MonMotha | well, my headset has traditional 1/8" plugs |
| 23:38.47 | MonMotha | and I just thought it would be nice to be able to ahve the handset (possibly auto switch between them somehow too) |
| 23:39.14 | MonMotha | er headset |
| 23:39.41 | MonMotha | (ie, have them both plugged in at the same time, dunno what criteria would be used to switch between them) |
| 23:41.09 | prpplague | ok time to hit the road, gotta go work out and then drive to 2 hours to a city where i have tickets to see TTT |
| 23:42.50 | Russ|werk | http://rcm.dhs.org/shanip3.png |
| 23:43.16 | MonMotha | Russ|werk: now that's small |
| 23:43.44 | MonMotha | and I was impressed with cramming a shanip2 into 1.5"x1.5" on a protoboard |
| 23:43.58 | Russ|werk | shanip3 has less components |
| 23:44.12 | MonMotha | true |
| 23:44.13 | Russ|werk | 8 of them to be exact |
| 23:44.33 | MonMotha | and of course, I was using rather ;arge components on a proto board :) |
| 23:44.48 | MonMotha | which is also what I built my 2nd serial port mod on |
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