| 00:00.15 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: probably there is another IC that does the IR, especial with that crappy Sejin protocol |
| 00:00.16 | prpplague | hmm, there is an appendix with documentation on how to implement a 32-bit bus |
| 00:00.36 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: the FPA must be a Cirrus add on then...... |
| 00:00.36 | sorphin | prpplague: nope, i highly doubt it runs the ir |
| 00:00.42 | CosmicPenguin | the SA1100 doesn't have one, I know that |
| 00:00.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: contunity check shows it directly connected to the atmel chip |
| 00:00.57 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: the IR? |
| 00:01.01 | prpplague | ya |
| 00:01.11 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: how big is the storage for the Atmel firmware? |
| 00:01.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: not looked |
| 00:01.21 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: did you find the rom chip yet? |
| 00:01.36 | sorphin | 8k/256bytes |
| 00:01.43 | sorphin | 8k flash |
| 00:01.47 | sorphin | 256 bytes ram |
| 00:01.51 | sorphin | if i rmeber the sheet right |
| 00:01.51 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: negative, just looking at the processor right now |
| 00:03.12 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I guess the Atmel might also have IR code. If the IR data already comes in decoded, then something has to be between the reciever and the CPU |
| 00:03.23 | CosmicPenguin | Well, actually I lied |
| 00:03.36 | CosmicPenguin | So ignore what I said |
| 00:03.45 | andersee_sleep | prpplague: 31 |
| 00:03.50 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: well thats easily checked, i have a ir to rs-232 non-decoded interfave |
| 00:04.03 | prpplague | andersee: age? |
| 00:04.16 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I'll see you one better... I've got full source code to decode the Sejin |
| 00:04.19 | prpplague | andersee: or number of strippers? |
| 00:04.31 | CosmicPenguin | All we need to do is cat the serial port, and if we get recognizable data, thats your answer |
| 00:04.32 | andersee | prpplague: yup. You had asked.... |
| 00:04.42 | CosmicPenguin | But until I can buy a RS232 adapter, its all academic |
| 00:04.45 | prpplague | andersee: actually i think it sorphin, lol |
| 00:04.47 | andersee | prpplague: BTW, I'm not an ent. ;-) |
| 00:04.54 | sorphin | andersee: you're a git ;) |
| 00:04.56 | prpplague | andersee: jk |
| 00:05.21 | CosmicPenguin | andersee is probably more of an elf than anything |
| 00:05.27 | CosmicPenguin | Lord of the House of Busybox |
| 00:05.35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: is that with or with out the driver running? |
| 00:05.44 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: what driver? |
| 00:05.58 | sorphin | i may just breadboard an rs232 adapter for now |
| 00:05.59 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you mentioned some code for sejin |
| 00:06.15 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: given a byte on a serial port, I can convert it to something meaningful |
| 00:06.35 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: when playing nethack, I prefer archeologist or monk. :-) |
| 00:06.58 | sorphin | andersee: well? :P |
| 00:07.08 | andersee | sorphin: ?? |
| 00:07.20 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: 31 |
| 00:07.24 | sorphin | ah |
| 00:07.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ah |
| 00:07.29 | sorphin | it got lost in there |
| 00:07.47 | CosmicPenguin | Ok, I'm going home |
| 00:07.52 | sorphin | so it goes Tom (gramps), davey, erik, um... me ? |
| 00:08.07 | sorphin | unless someone's between 31 and 27 |
| 00:08.18 | sorphin | or between 33 and 49 ;p |
| 00:08.57 | sieve | 26 |
| 00:09.03 | CosmicPenguin | 27 - 4 days |
| 00:09.17 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm it appears that the built in controler lines on the processor aren't being used |
| 00:09.24 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: for the video? |
| 00:09.26 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: that makes sense |
| 00:09.45 | CosmicPenguin | (thats 27 minus four days, not 27 *and* four days) |
| 00:10.02 | sorphin | Dec 21st |
| 00:10.17 | CosmicPenguin | 22nd |
| 00:10.34 | CosmicPenguin | So I'm 27 and I can't count. |
| 00:11.00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: agreed, i just find it odd that they didn't use any of the built in video resources |
| 00:11.11 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: probably because of the TV stuff |
| 00:11.21 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: its more complicated than most people think |
| 00:12.40 | CosmicPenguin | ok, I'm off for home |
| 00:12.46 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya it looks like from the sample schematic that it would require the use of the gpio and an ntsc/pal encoder |
| 00:12.54 | sorphin | guess i'll fire one of mine up |
| 00:12.59 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: which looks exactly like whats on the board |
| 00:13.15 | prpplague | ya i'm out here too guys |
| 00:13.32 | prpplague | got crack to smoke and ho's to check up on |
| 00:13.37 | sieve | *pooF8 |
| 00:13.53 | sorphin | heh |
| 00:14.06 | prpplague | later guys |
| 00:14.30 | sorphin | cool it's not a brick brick.. i can live w/ this |
| 00:24.22 | andersee | BZFlagNotCTO: So whats up? |
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| 00:45.56 | BZFlagNotCTO | andersee: announced. I'm still employed for today. no title, future terms unclear. in short nothings changed. ;-) |
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| 00:49.18 | cpenguin_home | Hello, hello |
| 00:49.18 | BZFlagNotCTO | heh |
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| 00:51.20 | sorphin | cpenguin_home: tom must have a bad tv, cuz it looks fine here on mine.. |
| 00:51.31 | cpenguin_home | sorphin: yeah, I expected |
| 00:51.48 | cpenguin_home | sorphin: maybe he has one with very close scanlines or something |
| 00:52.23 | cpenguin_home | Or maybe his TV is just crappy.... I've noticed that with PC NTSC controllers, bad timings are more evident |
| 00:53.20 | Russ|werk | is he using svideo? |
| 00:54.06 | sorphin | that remote works, but is a lil slow moving the cursor (in my opinion) |
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| 00:56.24 | jacques | webpals? |
| 00:56.31 | jacques | sounds interesting |
| 00:56.43 | sorphin | the place selling them is local to you :P |
| 00:56.57 | sorphin | well, in that general cali area |
| 00:57.02 | sorphin | could prolly pick one up :P |
| 00:57.11 | jacques | cool, where can I find more info? |
| 00:59.03 | jacques | sorry to hear tat |
| 01:00.00 | sorphin | bt cut the link w/ no real notice |
| 01:00.29 | jacques | :-( |
| 01:01.34 | sorphin | else i coulda pulled my mail off and could remember all the places that would need to be changed |
| 01:05.00 | sorphin | jacques: ok, found it |
| 01:05.05 | sorphin | www.surpluscomputers.com |
| 01:05.13 | cpenguin_home | jacques: http://www.softwareandstuff.com/h_misc_webpal.html |
| 01:05.39 | sorphin | cpenguin_home: they don't have em on the front page anymore tho.. |
| 01:06.14 | cpenguin_home | my cat just climbed up the back of my chair and stabbed me in the back |
| 01:06.26 | sorphin | lovely |
| 01:07.38 | sorphin | any thoughts on the switch that is near the middle of the board ? |
| 01:09.40 | cpenguin_home | sorphin: S2? |
| 01:09.45 | cpenguin_home | or SW2, rather? |
| 01:10.11 | sorphin | yup |
| 01:10.15 | cpenguin_home | Dammit - my power went off last night, and I forgot to save the file I was working on |
| 01:10.28 | sorphin | that's why i use 'joe' |
| 01:10.30 | cpenguin_home | sorphin: that has an integral part of the flash process... sort of a soft reset or something |
| 01:10.38 | sorphin | end up w/ DEADJOE |
| 01:10.44 | sorphin | hmm |
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| 01:11.35 | jacques | thanks! looking now |
| 01:11.45 | cpenguin_home | sorphin: I almost never forget to save... Its my nervous tick to sit there and hit Ctrl-X Ctrl-S when I'm doing nothing |
| 01:12.06 | cpenguin_home | Oh, well... its just a fake event generator for tuxphone |
| 01:13.02 | jacques | wow |
| 01:13.38 | jacques | a $12.95 linux box?? |
| 01:14.11 | cpenguin_home | jacques: well, with shipping, handling, and RS232 port, its more like $30, but still... :) |
| 01:15.48 | jacques | well they are only a couple of miles from me, so no shipping and handling, but tax |
| 01:16.00 | jacques | hmm what's needed for the rs232 port ? |
| 01:16.18 | sorphin | max232 |
| 01:16.32 | sorphin | and a few components (caps), connectors |
| 01:16.42 | jacques | ah I see |
| 01:17.35 | jacques | it has an IDE connector? |
| 01:17.53 | jacques | and an ISA slot? |
| 01:17.55 | jacques | wow |
| 01:18.08 | jacques | i gotta have a couple of those |
| 01:19.23 | sorphin | :) |
| 01:20.08 | jacques | how hard is it to find the SIMMs to upgrade RAM? |
| 01:21.01 | sorphin | normal ram simm |
| 01:21.08 | sorphin | 72 pinner |
| 01:21.11 | sorphin | edo |
| 01:21.14 | sorphin | max of 32M |
| 01:21.23 | jacques | that's good. |
| 01:22.35 | cpenguin_home | sorphin: don't we have to solder in an additional pin for the RAM? |
| 01:22.48 | jacques | ah it says it does not support 4k refresh simms |
| 01:22.53 | jacques | only 2k refresh |
| 01:23.04 | jacques | tho maybe a 64MB would show up as 32MB |
| 01:23.06 | mehuman | What is the $12.95 linux box? i missed the begining of the conversation |
| 01:23.33 | sorphin | jacques: it would |
| 01:23.33 | jacques | mehuman: http://www.softwareandstuff.com/h_misc_webpal.html |
| 01:23.38 | file | mehuman: Webpal |
| 01:23.48 | sorphin | cpenguin_home: not to my knowledge |
| 01:23.55 | sorphin | cpenguin_home: lemme double check tho |
| 01:24.16 | mehuman | thanks |
| 01:24.24 | jacques | maybe that additional pin would allow 4k refresh simms ot be used |
| 01:24.30 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:24.31 | sorphin | The A12 address pin on the CLPS7500 is not wired to the RAM SIMM slot. Because of this, the Webpal doesn't support 4 K refresh RAM SIMMs. 16 MB and 32 MB SIMMs that use 4 K refresh will only report 1/2 of their memory. 64 MB and 128 MB SIMMs will always report 1/4 of their memory. So be sure to specify that you want 2K refresh SIMMs if you buy either 16MB or 32MB SIMMs. |
| 01:24.31 | sorphin | The Webpal does support double sided SIMMs. A double sided SIMM will appear as two memory banks. |
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| 01:24.57 | jacques | heh I as just about to paste that |
| 01:26.37 | cpenguin_home | Alright I have no idea what that means |
| 01:27.05 | sorphin | what it means |
| 01:27.27 | sorphin | is if you wired that A12 addr line to the ram simm slot |
| 01:27.27 | cpenguin_home | the powers-that-be may have to announce a new category for the Academy Awards: maybe something like Best Non-Human/Computer Generated Performance of the Year. And no, neither Madonna nor Keanu Reeves could be considered... although it would be tempting. |
| 01:27.31 | sorphin | you can use 4K refresh simms |
| 01:27.31 | cpenguin_home | Thats funny |
| 01:27.45 | sorphin | that's all it means |
| 01:27.52 | cpenguin_home | sorphin: pretend for a moment that I don't know what 4k refresh means |
| 01:28.08 | sorphin | because you don't? ;) |
| 01:31.39 | sorphin | cpenguin_home: What's the difference between 2K and 4K SDRAM? |
| 01:31.40 | sorphin | Actually, the main reason behind the addition of the 4K refresh version is decreased power consumption. A DRAM device with 4K refresh draws less current than the same capacity DRAM with 2K refresh. The current is decreased by increasing the number of rows and decreasing the number of columns in the DRAM array. The number of columns defines the "depth" of a page. A 2K device has a page depth of 2,048 -- whereas a 4K device has a page |
| 01:31.41 | cpenguin_home | exactly |
| 01:32.13 | sorphin | The DRAM controller in your workstation/server determines the type of refresh it can support. Some controllers only have 11 address drivers, so they are limited to 2K refresh. Many newer DRAM controllers have been designed to support both refresh standards. And still others support only 4K refresh. even tho that's sdram, same thing |
| 01:32.14 | cpenguin_home | sorphin: cool... now, how can I tell what type of SIMM I have? |
| 01:32.33 | sorphin | you'd have to look up the specs on the maker's page :/ |
| 01:33.25 | sorphin | well |
| 01:33.27 | sorphin | put it this way |
| 01:33.30 | file[desk] | very old ones |
| 01:33.42 | sorphin | if it shows up 1/2 the size it is |
| 01:33.45 | sorphin | it's a 4k |
| 01:34.05 | GPSFan | sorphin: have you found the pinnouts of the webpal CPU yet? |
| 01:34.10 | cpenguin_home | sorphin: fun |
| 01:34.18 | sorphin | GPSFan: was just looking a few mins ago and got distracted |
| 01:34.22 | sorphin | not hard to find tho |
| 01:34.23 | cpenguin_home | GPSFan: prpplague had some info earlier |
| 01:34.49 | GPSFan | try these 2 links, they may help, large pdf though: http://www.cirrus.com/en/pubs/devKit/sch-7500.pdf, http://www.arm.com/techdocs/56LNAN/$File/ARM7500FEvB.pdf |
| 01:35.14 | jacques | it might be easier and cheaper to put a 64MB simm in there |
| 01:35.24 | sorphin | jacques: nah |
| 01:35.44 | sorphin | hmm |
| 01:35.53 | GPSFan | CosmicPenguin: i've been folowing your webpal conversations, I have 2 comming tomorrow, they might be fun to play with. |
| 01:35.54 | sorphin | cpenguin_home: i couldn't find anything on that simm that is in there |
| 01:36.31 | cpenguin_home | Well, Russ needs to get those boards done... he will have lots of customers |
| 01:37.09 | jacques | russ boards? |
| 01:37.10 | cpenguin_home | sorphin: hmm... time to take mine apart again |
| 01:37.18 | sorphin | cpenguin_home: don't forget prpplague found that other adapter |
| 01:37.24 | sorphin | for rs232 |
| 01:37.26 | cpenguin_home | sorphin: I don't trust that thing |
| 01:37.39 | sorphin | hmm |
| 01:37.43 | sorphin | reminds me |
| 01:37.44 | cpenguin_home | sorphin: plus, we would have cut a good chunk of metal and plastic just to get at it |
| 01:38.23 | sorphin | hmm |
| 01:38.27 | sorphin | max3233's |
| 01:38.28 | cpenguin_home | jacques: russ was going to work up some of the TTL 2 rs232 boards and get a few panels full printed for all of us |
| 01:38.28 | sorphin | ah well |
| 01:39.10 | cpenguin_home | jacques: http://webpal.bigbrd.com/rs232.html |
| 01:41.38 | sorphin | cpenguin_home: another explaination btw |
| 01:41.39 | sorphin | A memory module is made up of electrical cells. The refresh process recharges these cells, which are arranged on the chips in rows. The refresh rate refers to the number of rows that must be refreshed. |
| 01:41.44 | sorphin | Two common refresh rates are 2K and 4K. The 2K components are capable of refreshing more cells at a time and they complete the process faster, therefore 2K components use more power that 4K refresh. The 4K components are capable of refreshing less cells at a slower time, but they use less power. |
| 01:41.59 | cpenguin_home | sorphin: sweet |
| 01:42.28 | jacques | cpenguin_home: cool I will be a customer too if rus gets them done |
| 01:43.13 | cpenguin_home | gotta go watch FoTR |
| 01:43.30 | sorphin | seems to be a big if ;p |
| 01:45.06 | jacques | :-\ |
| 01:45.43 | sorphin | well, the schematic and pcb layout are available, so... |
| 01:57.24 | jacques | i wonder if it's possible to run any emulators on the webpal |
| 01:57.36 | jacques | for old games I mean |
| 01:58.07 | jacques | tho i guess even if there was enough cpu, control would be an issue |
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| 02:26.06 | GPSFan | prpplague: were you looking for webpal cpu pinouts? |
| 02:28.14 | prpplague | GPSFan: earlier yes, however i was able to find a pdf on the 7500 |
| 02:29.35 | kergoth | ~lart lineo |
| 02:29.39 | GPSFan | prp, ok, I found the datasheet for the Cirrus dev board and the ARM7500PE core datasheet, big, but usefull. I have 2 webpals comming tomorrow, should be fun to play with. |
| 02:30.06 | GPSFan | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:30.11 | GPSFan | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:30.23 | GPSFan | oops ;>) |
| 02:31.51 | prpplague | GPSFan: there are some differences in the arm7500fe and ps7500fe iirc |
| 02:32.13 | MonMotha | ah yes, the BFG9k, better than the BFG10k I think |
| 02:33.05 | prpplague | http://www.cirrus.com/en/pubs/proDatasheet/ps7500fe.pdf |
| 02:33.33 | prpplague | MonMotha: ? |
| 02:33.46 | MonMotha | referring to ibot's method of LARTing Lineo |
| 02:33.52 | prpplague | oh |
| 02:34.06 | GPSFan | prpplague: I'm sure there are, thanks for the link, the cirrus site was frustrating. |
| 02:35.39 | prpplague | GPSFan: ya, i finally just did a wget on most of the site to a box in house(helps to have a t3 and dual xeon at your disposal) |
| 02:36.16 | GPSFan | prpplague: ;>) |
| 02:37.12 | prpplague | i don't think i'm ever gonna get my computer room clean |
| 02:37.35 | prpplague | new rule: if it costs less than $10 and i've not used it in 6 months, its going in the trash |
| 02:37.36 | GPSFan | clean denotes non-functionality. |
| 02:37.40 | file | prpplague: there was a time once, when I believed that I should keep my desk clean 24/7 - but that idea has long since disappeared |
| 02:38.15 | prpplague | GPSFan: ya well, as much sh^htuff as i have now, i'm not functional either :) |
| 02:39.16 | GPSFan | true, a certain amount of clean is neccessary to inspire, which leads to more mess..:) |
| 02:39.27 | prpplague | yep |
| 02:39.28 | file | clean+mess=mess |
| 02:39.45 | file | mmm thus, clean=mess! |
| 02:39.51 | prpplague | clean+creativity=mess |
| 02:39.55 | file | illogical, illogical! Please explain. Only humans can explain. |
| 02:46.52 | kergoth | file: um, actually that implies clean=0, not that clean=mess |
| 02:46.56 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:47.10 | file | kergoth: ILLOGICAL><gkig93859ITJRNVFJSG9UFEJZXL |
| 02:51.12 | MonMotha | hum, my kernels usually at least get the "Aiee!" out |
| 02:51.35 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:51.38 | file | MonMotha: don't make me dump my memory on you! |
| 02:51.41 | kergoth | mine was spewing random data earlier |
| 02:51.42 | file | or my core! |
| 02:51.51 | kergoth | serial would suddenly go garbage mode |
| 02:51.55 | file | kergoth: I know, that's why I said it! *X-Files music* |
| 02:51.55 | kergoth | corrupt my serial console |
| 02:51.56 | MonMotha | kergoth: that's really bad :) |
| 02:52.05 | MonMotha | oh, was it just a serial driver issue? |
| 02:52.08 | jacques | lol http://www.softwareandstuff.com/h_dsk_mac6360160nomo.html |
| 02:52.37 | kergoth | MonMotha: not exactly. remnant bits of old lineo code was doing something strange to the peripheral controller.. commented out all that cruft and it worked great ;) |
| 02:52.52 | MonMotha | kergoth: heh |
| 02:52.59 | MonMotha | kergoth: are you doing tux kernel hacking btw? |
| 02:53.19 | kergoth | MonMotha: nah, I never got a tux before they sold out. otherwise i would |
| 02:53.36 | MonMotha | kergoth: hum...I've been debating doing a USB mod |
| 02:54.08 | prpplague | kergoth: i was wondering about that |
| 02:54.13 | file | wow |
| 02:54.14 | prpplague | kergoth: saw you post on lak |
| 02:55.03 | kergoth | 2 useless replies, one useful one from russell, and then it turns out to be remnant lineo stupidity ;) |
| 02:55.30 | MonMotha | file: ? |
| 02:55.38 | file | MonMotha: I'm looped |
| 02:55.47 | file | MonMotha: you'd best ignore me |
| 02:55.50 | MonMotha | oh |
| 02:56.17 | sorphin | prpplague: ok, so i can't trash the psu the webpal uses, since it's not a brick brick after all :P |
| 02:56.55 | prpplague | sorphin: what? |
| 02:56.58 | file | two bricks make a right! |
| 02:57.00 | jacques | i was wondering about thewebpal ps |
| 02:57.03 | file | or is it worng... |
| 02:57.05 | file | er wrong |
| 02:57.12 | file | unless your Chinese, then your wong! |
| 02:57.18 | jacques | will it support hd for example? |
| 02:57.41 | prpplague | jacques: its pretty nasty, not much work was done on it |
| 02:57.54 | sorphin | prpplague: i thought it was a normal brick (cuz of the connector on the webpal), till i got it out and saw it's not, it's like my thinkpad, normal plug, then a lil box along the way, then smaller wire to the webpal itself |
| 02:58.52 | prpplague | sorphin: you could use a different one if you re-do the internals of the board |
| 02:59.03 | prpplague | sorphin: looks like its regulated at 5v |
| 02:59.15 | prpplague | sorphin: you'd have to cut some traces |
| 02:59.29 | sorphin | nono |
| 02:59.52 | sorphin | i thought it was a normal brick, you know like the charger for your cell, or to power a cordless, etc.. |
| 03:00.00 | sorphin | like the tux uses |
| 03:00.08 | sorphin | a socket hogger ;p |
| 03:00.12 | prpplague | sorphin: a wall-wort |
| 03:00.16 | sorphin | that too |
| 03:01.20 | sorphin | anyways |
| 03:02.25 | prpplague | sorphin: i always use non-wall-wort stuff anyway |
| 03:03.33 | sorphin | i prefer to |
| 03:03.39 | sorphin | but don't have a choice a lot of times |
| 03:04.06 | prpplague | why not? |
| 03:04.23 | sorphin | uhhh |
| 03:04.43 | sorphin | if i don't have another psu w/ the same connector/power, etc.. wtf else am i gonna use ? |
| 03:05.53 | prpplague | sorphin: your not a real geek unless you have a walk-in closet of psu's |
| 03:06.52 | kergoth | insensitive bastard! |
| 03:06.52 | kergoth | :P |
| 03:07.31 | prpplague | ha i remember my 7th christmas, i got a variable psu and a multimeter kit |
| 03:09.23 | prpplague | anyone watching the dateline bs about video game sales? |
| 03:09.54 | kergoth | hah |
| 03:09.57 | prpplague | seems like since they can't find any under age cigerette sales they do "exposes" on video game sales |
| 03:10.04 | kergoth | or a cordless drill for that matter |
| 03:10.05 | prpplague | kergoth: what? |
| 03:10.06 | kergoth | or a screwdriver! |
| 03:10.08 | kergoth | haha |
| 03:10.17 | kergoth | ;) |
| 03:10.23 | prpplague | ohhh |
| 03:10.35 | jacques | what? selling games to underage kids? |
| 03:10.40 | prpplague | jacques: ya |
| 03:11.03 | prpplague | kergoth: took me 2 months and lots of burned fingers to put my multimeter kit together |
| 03:11.06 | MonMotha | prpplague: yes I saw that |
| 03:11.08 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:11.19 | jacques | hmm powerbook for $200 |
| 03:11.34 | prpplague | kergoth: the lead fumes probably explain my dain bramage |
| 03:12.05 | MonMotha | prpplague: I sure hope that was an intentional typo |
| 03:12.07 | sorphin | heh |
| 03:12.10 | sorphin | "Would a Boycott of the MPAA/RIAA Help Matters?" |
| 03:12.13 | sorphin | doubtful |
| 03:12.31 | prpplague | ya doubtful since there are plenty of other zombies out there |
| 03:12.34 | MonMotha | don't worry, you now owe AOL $1000 in royalties for using their patented technology |
| 03:12.36 | MonMotha | you're chatting on IRC :) |
| 03:13.04 | prpplague | MonMotha: what? aol is claiming that they invented irc? |
| 03:14.46 | prpplague | argh, my computer room resembles the backroom in a jawa's transport vehicle |
| 03:14.46 | MonMotha | http://www.bbspot.com/News/2002/12/santa_linux.html |
| 03:14.50 | jacques | maybe they clam they invented network chat |
| 03:15.00 | MonMotha | prpplague: AOL granted a patent on a fairly broad interpretation of "instant messenging" |
| 03:15.15 | MonMotha | prpplague: no, that's MY computer room |
| 03:15.18 | jacques | but I was using bitnet in 1986 - Relay - whence IRC name came from |
| 03:15.21 | MonMotha | too bad I don't have a digital camera |
| 03:16.46 | MonMotha | prpplague: I have an 8ft folding table that you can't push a chair under because it's stacked with computers |
| 03:16.54 | MonMotha | everything from 486s to 1.2tbirds |
| 03:17.12 | prpplague | no a single theater in 200 miles doing a midnight viewing of LotR |
| 03:17.27 | prpplague | 1.2tbirds? |
| 03:17.39 | prpplague | frame relay tester? |
| 03:18.57 | prpplague | gangs of newyork? most anticapted film of 2002 ? |
| 03:19.02 | prpplague | get real |
| 03:19.58 | jacques | i never heard about it before a couple days ago |
| 03:20.06 | jacques | so anticipated it probably not a good word |
| 03:20.42 | prpplague | jacques: ya well i heard that phrase on National Pinko Radio this morning and just now on dateline with Stoned Philips |
| 03:22.36 | MonMotha | prpplague: 1.2 Athlon Tunderbird, 1.5GB PC2100 |
| 03:22.43 | prpplague | MonMotha: ohh |
| 03:22.44 | MonMotha | only 2.4GB of HDD in a RAID 5 tho :) |
| 03:23.30 | prpplague | MonMotha: i'm loaded with tons of old timex sinclair parts and old z80 based arcade mb's |
| 03:24.04 | MonMotha | prpplague: can't say I've got any of those |
| 03:24.18 | MonMotha | I do have a single TRS-80, but it's a CoCo so it's not a z80 |
| 03:24.32 | MonMotha | some motorola chip IIRC at like 700kHz |
| 03:27.57 | jacques | hmm is $600 a good price for a 18" lcd monitor ? |
| 03:30.12 | jacques | i know they vary immensely |
| 03:30.16 | jacques | in quality |
| 03:30.41 | MonMotha | jacques: I've seen 17" for like $300, but the res wasn't very good and it only had an analog in |
| 03:31.23 | jacques | MonMotha: this is 1280x1024 with DVI and analog in |
| 03:32.45 | prpplague | brb, beer run |
| 03:33.27 | jacques | but I have seen so many that have ringing and shadowing |
| 03:33.48 | jacques | and strange effects at certain refresh rates... |
| 03:34.43 | prpplague | ok the remote for the webpal is the same as the ast remote |
| 03:35.33 | jacques | ast ? |
| 03:36.03 | prpplague | jacques: a remote control sold with ast systems a few years ago |
| 03:36.15 | prpplague | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2080644010 |
| 03:36.25 | prpplague | brb |
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| 03:45.46 | TomW | sorphin: it does email. |
| 03:46.36 | jacques | hi TomW |
| 03:46.43 | TomW | sorphin: kind of a bitch to set it up to dial into my Linux dial-in server, but it does seem to use PAP/CHAP to accomplish the login. |
| 03:46.58 | TomW | hi jacques, just playing with my WebPal. |
| 03:47.26 | prpplague | TomW: hey the keyboard and remote are identical to a set sold by ast a few years ago |
| 03:47.48 | prpplague | TomW: it appears that the output is un-encoded ascii |
| 03:47.53 | TomW | I have no freakin' clue as to where it is getting the emails from, I have my junk email account it is offloading right now. |
| 03:48.31 | jacques | TomW: you too? I defeinitely need to drop by that place on my way to work tomorrow |
| 03:49.41 | prpplague | jacques: you close to the store that sells the webpals? |
| 03:50.28 | jacques | prpplague: yeah a couple of miles |
| 03:50.43 | jacques | well proibably like 4-5 from home, 2-3 from work |
| 03:50.47 | TomW | jacques: it is an interesting toy. The remote control "mouse" works pretty nicely. As I have found out, the Tux keyboard works with the WebPal, they are identical, except for the key legends. |
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| 03:51.00 | jacques | TomW: wow |
| 03:51.06 | Russ | hmm.. |
| 03:51.12 | jacques | that's surprising to me |
| 03:51.16 | Russ | the 4pcb deal, is minimum 3 boards |
| 03:51.39 | TomW | jacques: the TV on screen stuff is an interesting aspect of this unit. It does open up some home automation possibilities. |
| 03:52.07 | jacques | TomW: yeah - just need a working serial and/or parallel port |
| 03:52.24 | TomW | Russ: then they have a minumum, hmmm, didn't know that. |
| 03:52.25 | jacques | i was amazed it has an ide interface |
| 03:52.35 | prpplague | TomW: i've got the remote and keyboard working with my zaurus |
| 03:52.56 | TomW | jacques: yeah, the interface is a 0.100" ide cable, not the 2mm atapi cable interface. |
| 03:53.38 | TomW | prpplague: really?! That is cool, just for the remote mouse, the $13 is worthwhile, eh? |
| 03:53.58 | prpplague | TomW: http://www.cirrus.com/en/pubs/proDatasheet/ps7500fe.pdf |
| 03:54.16 | prpplague | TomW: there is the datasheet on the processor if you want to add that to the docs |
| 03:54.25 | TomW | jacques: also has a floppy interface, ps/2 mouse, ps/2 keyboard, parallel printer port, 2 16650 serial ports, ... |
| 03:54.40 | prpplague | TomW: ya well worth the $13, lol i really needed another set of rca cables :) |
| 03:55.03 | TomW | prpplague: what is the URL for? |
| 03:55.16 | jacques | ps/2 mouse and keyboard? coooool |
| 03:55.22 | jacques | (interfaces I mean) |
| 03:55.25 | prpplague | TomW: for the webpal processor |
| 03:55.44 | prpplague | TomW: the complete datasheet |
| 03:56.39 | TomW | prpplague: already had it, I have 4 of the chips already that I sampled some time ago. Thanks. |
| 03:57.27 | TomW | It looks like it stores the off loaded email into the flash memory chip. You can remove power and it still keeps the emails, until you delete them. |
| 03:57.32 | prpplague | TomW: ohh ok, i couldn't find it on any of the webpal sites already up |
| 03:57.54 | TomW | kind of clumsy to erase the email messages, especially if you get a lot of spam. |
| 03:58.07 | prpplague | TomW: and wear out your flash |
| 03:59.06 | jacques | hmmmmmmmm what about the ISA interface ?? maybe can add an old pcmcia card dock ? |
| 03:59.44 | prpplague | jacques: tested one this afternoon with no luck |
| 03:59.59 | prpplague | jacques: but i have problems in some mb's with the board |
| 04:00.11 | prpplague | jacques: i had inventory order 3 different ones |
| 04:00.19 | prpplague | jacques: be hire friday |
| 04:00.21 | TomW | jacques: no, don't think so, but, they have the SMSC FDC37C665 ISA bus controller in the webpal... |
| 04:00.58 | jacques | hmmm |
| 04:01.09 | jacques | too bad they close at 7pm |
| 04:01.24 | TomW | I can already see that imap is the way to go with the webpal. Don't let that sucker use pop3 and pull the messages off the server!!! |
| 04:02.39 | TomW | I want to clean off the email, then try browsing the web with it, see how / if it can do it. |
| 04:03.07 | jacques | BIAW |
| 04:11.53 | TomW | The web browser loads abc.com, looks a bit odd, loading linuxtoday.com crashes the machine into a poweroff state. It doesn't know how to handle a png file format, but it does do gif's. |
| 04:12.27 | prpplague | TomW: power off? |
| 04:12.38 | TomW | Well, it is going to need to have linux installed onto it, along with maybe tiny-x + mozilla or dillo to be usefull. |
| 04:12.49 | TomW | prpplague: yes, it shuts the power off. |
| 04:13.03 | TomW | crashes itself, I guess. |
| 04:13.16 | prpplague | TomW: and an 802.11b card :) |
| 04:13.51 | TomW | Not really usefull in the current condition of their software. But, then, what would I expect from something that is 5 years old. |
| 04:14.30 | TomW | I wonder how they may have expected to keep up with the rapid rate of change of the browser's capabilities? OnLine updating of their software? |
| 04:14.49 | prpplague | TomW: that would be essential |
| 04:15.08 | prpplague | TomW: i mean we planned for that in out thinclients 3 years ago |
| 04:15.14 | TomW | Or, maybe they didn't think. They may have envisioned it as having a "captive audience" similar to WebTV? |
| 04:15.55 | prpplague | TomW: ya well, i'm not impressed by single use boards like this |
| 04:16.01 | TomW | Maybe that is why they populated the IDE header onto the main board, plan may have been to add an internal drive later in the production cycle. |
| 04:16.30 | kergoth | i'd prefer doing a decent browser for picogui and running that on em |
| 04:16.35 | kergoth | nice and tiny |
| 04:16.40 | TomW | agreed, anything deployed as an "appliance" has to be able to be updated to the latest software. |
| 04:17.14 | TomW | kergoth: yeah, that might be something, but, you have the problem of rendering Frames, PNG graphics, etc. |
| 04:17.40 | TomW | kergoth: From what I have seen, most of the tiny browsers are very limited as to what they can do! |
| 04:18.00 | kergoth | indeed. |
| 04:18.08 | TomW | dillo is pretty good, but it is not _that_ small a footprint. |
| 04:18.27 | prpplague | dillo? |
| 04:18.34 | kergoth | how small is the gecko engine alone? |
| 04:18.34 | TomW | ... and, Mozilla is too freaking big. |
| 04:18.37 | prpplague | dillo, my version is 2.6m |
| 04:18.56 | kergoth | dillo is 2.6m? jeeze |
| 04:19.04 | kergoth | its approaching konq/e size, thats bad |
| 04:19.05 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:19.37 | prpplague | kergoth: ya well i compiled in a bunch of IMHO useless stuff |
| 04:19.49 | MonMotha | kergoth: call 1-800-861-8380 and ask |
| 04:20.03 | MonMotha | oh wait, you wanted Gecko, not Geico |
| 04:20.07 | MonMotha | *ducks* |
| 04:20.24 | kergoth | ~fishslap MonMotha |
| 04:20.30 | | ACTION slaps MonMotha up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 04:20.37 | TomW | ~insult MonMotha |
| 04:20.51 | kergoth | penguin molesting eh |
| 04:20.52 | MonMotha | wow...that's one hell of an insult |
| 04:20.57 | kergoth | are you abusing your linux again? |
| 04:21.10 | TomW | no, just his penguin. |
| 04:21.16 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:21.17 | TomW | heh |
| 04:37.07 | prpplague | ibot: ttl to rs-232 is http://www.al-williams.com/rs1.htm |
| 04:37.07 | | okay, prpplague |
| 04:38.03 | MonMotha | heh, I just build them on breadboards and solder wires onto a DB-9 |
| 04:38.13 | prpplague | ha i've made it to 190 - http://www.ratebeer.com/ViewUser.asp?UserID=1210 |
| 04:42.22 | TomW | prpplague: webpal.bigbrd.com seems to spell out pretty completely what is to be done to get linux on the system. it is still unclear as to what the rootfs on the harddrive should contain though. |
| 04:43.21 | prpplague | TomW: ya well, you could use the basic tuxscreen root fs or even start with the lart rootfs |
| 04:43.21 | TomW | prpplague: we definately need more DRAM, I am expecting that some of the 16Meg FP DRAMs will work in the webpal. |
| 04:43.37 | prpplague | TomW: i've done several boards with the lart rootfs, its a great starting point |
| 04:43.44 | TomW | makes sense, yeah, do the Tux rootfs. |
| 04:44.10 | TomW | prpplague: all you need is init to start running /etc/rc someplace. |
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| 04:44.41 | prpplague | TomW: yep |
| 04:45.16 | TomW | I have a laplink cable. I don't have the GDB built to do the initial installation of the boot loader, but no big deal. |
| 04:45.38 | TomW | RS232 --> TTL is also not an issue. |
| 04:45.40 | prpplague | TomW: you got the ttl adapter? |
| 04:45.44 | prpplague | TomW: ok |
| 04:45.47 | prpplague | TomW: i figured |
| 04:45.59 | prpplague | TomW: with all your hw expertise |
| 04:46.16 | TomW | All I don't have is,... time. |
| 04:46.29 | TomW | as usual. |
| 04:46.40 | prpplague | same here |
| 04:46.46 | TomW | I need to hit the lottery so I can play with this shit and not worry abt money. |
| 04:47.02 | prpplague | TomW: i have now 6 projects going, i don't know how i'm gonna be able to get it all done |
| 04:47.10 | prpplague | TomW: thats my dream |
| 04:47.19 | TomW | heh |
| 04:47.19 | prpplague | TomW: win 10mil and open a think tank |
| 04:47.36 | TomW | win 10mil and open a bordello. |
| 04:47.45 | TomW | better idea |
| 04:47.53 | prpplague | TomW: with a think tank as the store front |
| 04:48.09 | TomW | need something to keep the ideas flowing... |
| 04:57.48 | TomW | I wish that I had taken the time to learn how the ext2 file system was structured. I would rather that this system _not_ boot linux from flash, but load the image from the IDE. |
| 04:58.17 | TomW | wonder about this emlilo, if that will read from a filesystem like ext2 / ext3. |
| 04:59.36 | prpplague | kergoth`movie: step away from the pr0n |
| 05:00.29 | prpplague | TomW: you want the kernel to boot from the hd? |
| 05:00.57 | prpplague | TomW: then the bootloader will need to be able to initialize the ide interface and read the filesystem |
| 05:01.11 | prpplague | TomW: probably be easier to start with the fs being fat16 |
| 05:01.17 | prpplague | TomW: if your gonna do that |
| 05:02.06 | prpplague | TomW: i know erikm was working on booting from a cf card using fat16, but i'm not sure what the status of that is |
| 05:02.18 | TomW | prpplague: working with IDE is not that difficult, it is a fairly simple system. |
| 05:02.41 | prpplague | TomW: agreed, but the code would have to be intergrated into the bootloader |
| 05:02.57 | prpplague | TomW: i know you have experience with the ide stuff |
| 05:03.02 | TomW | prpplague: my cf_bootloader for the ez328lcd did that: pulled the kernel + ramfs in from the CF, put it into RAM, then launched it. |
| 05:03.09 | prpplague | TomW: you probably could just yank the code from the kernel |
| 05:03.24 | prpplague | TomW: what file system? fat16? |
| 05:03.24 | TomW | prpplague: naw, you don't need kernel code to do ide. |
| 05:03.37 | TomW | yah, the CF is FAT16. |
| 05:04.34 | prpplague | TomW: god i love this kinda of item, pure learning experience |
| 05:04.42 | TomW | FAT16 is a very simple file system to follow along. All I did was put a single file on the CF, then the cf_bootloader would do a 1.5 meg blindload of the start of the CF. |
| 05:04.56 | *** join/#elinux BZFlag (timr@rikers.org) |
| 05:04.56 | *** mode/#eLinux [+o BZFlag] by ChanServ |
| 05:05.02 | prpplague | TomW: for me its like junkyard wars but more fun! |
| 05:05.25 | prpplague | TomW: blindload? isn't that kinda risky? |
| 05:05.30 | prpplague | BZFlag: lo |
| 05:05.40 | TomW | prpplague: I could have set it up to look for a particular filename, then follow the FAT16 links to load the entire file in. But, it was more work than was necessary. |
| 05:05.50 | TomW | BZFlag: hi |
| 05:05.59 | TomW | prpplague: why risky? |
| 05:06.02 | BZFlag | http://www.webmedlit.com/ <- a site bzflag used to administer. looks like they could use a hand. |
| 05:06.10 | TomW | either it boots or it doesn't. |
| 05:06.14 | prpplague | TomW: no crc check? |
| 05:06.42 | prpplague | TomW: agreed but what if the code tries to over write the bootloader |
| 05:07.01 | TomW | the CF IDE interface does some checking on the integrity of the sectors. You have to trust _something_, else you generate reams of code. |
| 05:07.48 | prpplague | TomW: agreed, i've been in the end (l)user area for toooooooo long, i'm used to working with the attitude, if the MF can break it they will |
| 05:08.09 | TomW | prpplague: cannot overwrite the bootloader, the bootloader executes from EPROM. The bootloader data section is located far removed from where you are blind loading the image into RAM. np. |
| 05:08.12 | prpplague | BZFlag: how goes it Motorola ho? |
| 05:08.33 | prpplague | TomW: ahh, not so on some arm boards |
| 05:08.50 | prpplague | TomW: but i see your point |
| 05:09.42 | TomW | Yeah, you have to init the DRAM controller, yada yada yada... |
| 05:09.44 | prpplague | TomW: so you intend on init the ide and the look for the kernel and a initrd? |
| 05:09.57 | TomW | thinking of that. |
| 05:10.31 | TomW | The thing is that lilo already does something like that now. That is why I was interested as to what emlilo was (embedded lilo?). |
| 05:11.07 | prpplague | ya but lilo in general is so clunky when it comes to arm |
| 05:11.25 | TomW | Lilo has no linux kernel to do the sector loads from the IDE drive. Lilo has to call the ROM BIOS of the computer (INT 13?) to do sector reads. |
| 05:12.02 | TomW | So, if emlilo is an embedded (stripped) version of lilo, maybe the same thing can be done? |
| 05:12.03 | BZFlag | prpplague: hey watch it... I'm not there. ;-) |
| 05:12.36 | prpplague | BZFlag: jk |
| 05:12.37 | TomW | why do you say that lilo is ARM-clunky? |
| 05:12.51 | prpplague | TomW: i'm just used to using blob |
| 05:13.03 | prpplague | TomW: its very clean and very documented |
| 05:13.16 | BZFlag | this is an arm box you're looking at? why not blob? |
| 05:13.26 | TomW | ah, well, you need _something_ to bootstrap the system. Problem with blob is that it is JFFS-centric. |
| 05:13.37 | prpplague | TomW: no so |
| 05:13.41 | prpplague | TomW: not so |
| 05:13.44 | TomW | ? |
| 05:13.46 | BZFlag | or raw blocks. |
| 05:13.54 | prpplague | TomW: it doesn't have to be jffs |
| 05:13.59 | BZFlag | just have a kernel memory location and it will load from there. |
| 05:14.18 | BZFlag | also there are other readers, like tar and cramfs. and more can easily be added. |
| 05:14.32 | BZFlag | I think duck has fat read support working on an arm board at lineo. |
| 05:14.40 | prpplague | TomW: with the the 32bit init codes that are listed on bigbrd's site you could fix blob pretty quick |
| 05:14.44 | BZFlag | reading off a cf fat partition at that. |
| 05:14.45 | TomW | right. Ok, but it still is a linear loading scheme, it doesn't take into account a "directory" with allocation links to follow? |
| 05:15.06 | BZFlag | the fat code does. |
| 05:15.24 | TomW | BZFlag: yeah, FAT16 is really simple to do. |
| 05:15.28 | prpplague | BZFlag: i've not dl'd a new blob in a while, is that part of the dist now? |
| 05:15.52 | TomW | BZFlag: I have yet to study how ext2 / ext3 filesystems are structured though. |
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| 05:16.54 | TomW | BZFlag: trouble with FAT, AYMK, it is a pretty useless filesytem for unix to use. |
| 05:17.00 | TomW | heh |
| 05:17.37 | BZFlag | don't think the fat code got merged. I know erik has is. email duck@lineo.com (or duck@metrowerks.com ...) and I'm sure you can get a copy of his version. |
| 05:17.45 | prpplague | TomW: agreed, the permissions and 8.3 are too limiting |
| 05:17.54 | BZFlag | his board is not strongarm I think it's arm7 |
| 05:18.06 | prpplague | BZFlag: ya i got duck address at the office |
| 05:18.08 | TomW | Yeah, the webpal is arm7 |
| 05:18.42 | TomW | BZFlag: interesting unit from the standpoint of the TV interface. |
| 05:19.13 | TomW | that remote control mouse works pretty smoothly, opens up some interesting home automation stuff. |
| 05:19.46 | BZFlag | sounds fun. |
| 05:20.16 | TomW | I don't like flash memory, never have, it is too constraining, you always need more and it tends to wear out quickly, also takes too damned long to program. |
| 05:20.52 | BZFlag | heh. /me has gotten used to it. ;-) |
| 05:21.05 | BZFlag | though 1G of flash would be nice. ;-) |
| 05:21.10 | TomW | From my point of view, all the flash should do is store some config data, and a capable bootloader to run the mass storage device and get the o/s up and away. |
| 05:21.26 | prpplague | lol, ya well, i've really gotten attached using a 128mb SD card in my z |
| 05:21.38 | TomW | :P |
| 05:22.30 | prpplague | BZFlag: nice |
| 05:22.35 | prpplague | BZFlag: no vercel? |
| 05:23.10 | prpplague | BZFlag: you still interest in putting the lineo stuff on the hack kit? |
| 05:24.42 | BZFlag | prpplague: jury is still out on the hack kit. I doubt you will get it for cheap. cheapest option would be to buy one seat of the SDK and do it yourselves. =( |
| 05:25.09 | BZFlag | we only have a few vercel units and none that are the final revision with the mmc/sd slot. |
| 05:25.22 | TomW | what is this "hack kit"? |
| 05:26.34 | TomW | Hmm, just had a thought, wonder if I can fit an 32Meg SODIMM into the webpal? Make a 72pin --> SODIMM adaptor? |
| 05:27.05 | prpplague | TomW: the board i sent the schematics to you on |
| 05:27.13 | TomW | BZFlag: I recall that too. Want it back? |
| 05:27.22 | BZFlag | some day. ;-) |
| 05:27.23 | prpplague | TomW: http://hackkit.eletztrick.de/ |
| 05:27.46 | TomW | BZFlag: ok, done. I get doing other stuff and occasionally stumble across it. |
| 05:28.44 | TomW | the PS7500FE is supposed to handle EDO memory as well as FP (Fast Page). |
| 05:29.27 | prpplague | TomW: i acquired a large box of old 72-pin memory from inventory this afternoon, i hope to go through it tomorrow |
| 05:31.10 | jacques | damn you guys typed a lot since I left |
| 05:31.32 | prpplague | jacques: ya were are some tpying mf's |
| 05:31.42 | prpplague | jacques: too bad it ain;t usable code :( |
| 05:31.59 | TomW | yeah, the chip can handle 4 banks of 64Megabytes per bank of EDO / FP DRAM. |
| 05:32.21 | prpplague | 2k refresh |
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| 05:32.28 | TomW | jacques: if you don't "listen" once in a while you could get lost, heh. |
| 05:32.44 | prpplague | BZFlag: ok thanks for the info on the sdk |
| 05:32.57 | TomW | first things first, I need a schematic. |
| 05:33.09 | prpplague | TomW: i started some today |
| 05:33.16 | TomW | in Eagle? |
| 05:33.18 | prpplague | TomW: trying to map out some of the basics |
| 05:33.26 | prpplague | TomW: pen/paper, lol |
| 05:33.31 | TomW | grrr |
| 05:34.02 | prpplague | TomW: start putting it on eagle tomorrow, i hope |
| 05:34.10 | TomW | I have to hunt around here to find pen / pencil. I am pretty tied to keyboard / mouse anymore. |
| 05:34.16 | prpplague | TomW: got a realllllllly nasty installation going in this week |
| 05:34.31 | TomW | so do I, two of them. |
| 05:34.46 | TomW | and, I have yet to do the prep work. :( |
| 05:34.50 | prpplague | TomW: normally i am as well, however i find pin outs and basic schematics seem to flow better initial with p-n-p |
| 05:35.25 | TomW | yeah, guess so. I don't "railroad" my schematics, I tend to rely a lot on "airlining" |
| 05:35.31 | prpplague | TomW: well thats the fun part of this one, managment failed to assign anyone to do pre-work, now its all fire drills |
| 05:35.46 | TomW | faster to change a label than to move a "wire" / bus. |
| 05:35.55 | TomW | LOL |
| 05:36.20 | TomW | Boy, I don't miss that shit one little bit! Now when that happens, they pay me extra. |
| 05:36.30 | prpplague | well, i'm off to bed, being a fireman is hard work |
| 05:36.38 | TomW | prpplague: later. |
| 05:36.45 | prpplague | later BZFlag |
| 05:36.48 | prpplague | later jacques |
| 05:37.28 | jacques | looks like linux on the webpal has been in development for a long time |
| 05:39.09 | TomW | yeah, looks like since early 2000. |
| 05:40.17 | jacques | yeah |
| 05:41.44 | TomW | If nothing else, you can put a webpal on every TV in the house and be able to make selections for the MPEG music to play? |
| 05:42.56 | TomW | BZFlag: lightning strike? |
| 05:43.44 | BZFlag | nope. other systems right next to it were fine. just random. |
| 05:44.09 | BZFlag | it's on a simple surge strip, but not a UPS. |
| 05:45.14 | TomW | jacques: I don't see anything like a mailing list / irc channel for it, other than the BBS. |
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| 05:46.01 | TomW | sjhill: lo |
| 05:46.12 | TomW | sjhill: got my webpals today. |
| 05:46.26 | sjhill | hey TomW |
| 05:46.30 | sjhill | cool |
| 05:46.48 | TomW | sjhill: :( |
| 05:47.31 | TomW | well, time to pull the plug. Lots to do tomorrow. |
| 05:48.33 | jacques | BZFlag: maybe it's one of those bad electrolytics |
| 05:48.55 | BZFlag | of just bad luck? ;-/ |
| 05:49.20 | jacques | maybe that too |
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| 06:18.44 | Russ | wants to reduce his time to market, and he is doing XIP everything...and wants to write to flash |
| 06:19.01 | Russ | using intel flash, what a coincedence... |
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| 07:28.40 | andersee | Its the once and future CTO |
| 07:40.31 | BZFlag | quick somebody ask on slashdot lineo thread how not aquiring the CTO equates to "acquiring All key talent from Embedix Inc.: management, engineering, marketing, sales" ;-) |
| 07:41.13 | BZFlag | sounds to me like "they" are starting off being misleading right from the start. |
| 07:49.17 | andersee | BZFlag: other than you (who they are dropping) do they have any other actual talent? |
| 07:49.42 | andersee | err thinks |
| 07:50.17 | andersee | of course, Lineo management fired me a year and a half ago, for which I am now quite grateful. :-) |
| 07:50.51 | BZFlag | ron/ross/duck/rigby/craig are all pretty good. nobody is plugged into the community, but then berardino thinks open source is a liability so that does not surprise me. |
| 07:51.14 | BZFlag | add jensen to the list. |
| 07:51.38 | andersee | i.e. they have the company that used to be novell :-) |
| 07:52.36 | andersee | I guess craig wasn't a novell-ite. The rest were. |
| 07:52.52 | BZFlag | yep. |
| 07:53.22 | andersee | BZFlag: did you check out nail.codepoet.org yet? |
| 07:55.20 | BZFlag | not yet. |
| 07:56.20 | BZFlag | seems there is a "guru" that works at Horwath Gurugroup |
| 07:58.23 | BZFlag | http://www.horwath.com/Horwath/HIDirPro.nsf/938e6266c1d2dcb885255f3800026c84/5712ab4cd9059307852569ea005099b7?OpenDocument |
| 07:58.34 | BZFlag | don't ya just love notes urls? |
| 08:00.31 | andersee | I see. You got it as it was sent to gurugroup.com accidentally, rather than gurugroup.bw |
| 08:03.03 | BZFlag | yep |
| 08:06.47 | andersee | BZFlag: as I recall they weaseled the acquisition deal such that you get nothing at all for your stock, right? |
| 08:10.29 | BZFlag | yep. true, true. |
| 08:11.09 | BZFlag | I presume that's why Matt is staying on? To get some salary? who knows. perhaps he has preferred stock. |
| 08:13.00 | andersee | Seems like the lawyers (i.e. Matt) are always the ones that get the profit... |
| 08:13.23 | andersee | Without anyone with vision (i.e. you) the place is going nowhere. Ever. |
| 08:13.44 | BZFlag | quick slashdot that for me. ;-) |
| 08:14.19 | andersee | Post anonymously, then follow up as yourself to confirm. :-) |
| 08:17.43 | BZFlag | heh |
| 08:18.01 | BZFlag | bzflag? |
| 08:18.54 | BZFlag | porting bzflag to the dreamcast? |
| 08:19.52 | andersee | ~fishslap bzflag for obsessing over his game |
| 08:19.57 | | ACTION slaps bzflag up side the head with a wet fish for obsessing over his game |
| 08:20.06 | andersee | hehe |
| 08:20.22 | BZFlag | heh |
| 08:22.00 | andersee | Not a bad box, if a bit loud |
| 08:27.55 | BZFlag | driving games? |
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| 15:20.53 | CosmicPenguin | Good morning |
| 15:26.53 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: morning |
| 15:27.32 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: whats new? |
| 15:28.18 | sorphin | rain today, hopefully zaurus today, training on yet another platform i'll have to support today |
| 15:29.12 | sorphin | tomw said the arm in the webpal can support 4 banks of 64M... won't happen i nteh webpal, that's for sure w/ how they have that shit wired up.. |
| 15:36.30 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:36.38 | sorphin | this sounds like a lame tv show title |
| 15:36.41 | sorphin | "When Sysadmins Go Bad" |
| 15:37.11 | prpplague | bad admins, bad admins, whactha gonna do when they rm you! |
| 15:37.38 | sorphin | ~fishslap prpplague for his bad copy of "cops" |
| 15:37.43 | | ACTION slaps prpplague up side the head with a wet fish for his bad copy of "cops" |
| 15:38.06 | sorphin | prpplague: lotta simms in that box you found? |
| 15:38.44 | prpplague | sorphin: enough that its too heavy to pick up off the floor |
| 15:38.58 | sorphin | damn |
| 15:39.31 | sorphin | well, we'll not be able to use more than 32M in this bitch unfortunately, unless someone rewires the damn thing |
| 15:39.42 | sorphin | even if you wire up the A12 line |
| 15:43.19 | prpplague | hmm, seems i have alot of edo 4x32 sticks |
| 15:49.00 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: lol |
| 15:54.09 | prpplague | found some 16x32 |
| 15:54.24 | prpplague | how can you find out what size the cache is? |
| 16:11.13 | prpplague | sorphin: using the software that comes on the webpal is there a way to check the amount of ram? |
| 16:17.10 | prpplague | well the 64meg stick didn;t boot |
| 16:17.17 | prpplague | but the 16meg stick does |
| 16:24.16 | prpplague | anyone? anyone? anyone? |
| 16:30.52 | prpplague | ibot: are you alive? |
| 16:30.53 | | The dead cannot live |
| 16:31.03 | prpplague | ibot: do you stink? |
| 16:31.04 | | prpplague: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 16:36.46 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 16:37.33 | CosmicPenguin | Doh, I didn't know I was still /awayed |
| 16:41.47 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:41.51 | sorphin | prpplague: doesn't surprise me |
| 16:42.14 | prpplague | sorphin: ya i found the spec sheet, looks like they are 2k refresh |
| 16:44.44 | kergoth | morning |
| 16:45.51 | prpplague | lo |
| 16:49.27 | sorphin | prpplague: well, even if htey weren't |
| 16:49.59 | sorphin | you just find the A12 line on the simm slot (where it should go), and on the ARM, and get some wirewrap wire |
| 16:50.05 | sorphin | and make a bridge |
| 16:50.36 | prpplague | agreed |
| 16:51.14 | sorphin | finding it on the simm slot should be trivial too, since it's a jedec standard slot |
| 16:53.29 | CosmicPenguin | trivial isn't a word you should be tossing around |
| 16:54.14 | sorphin | why? |
| 16:57.11 | CosmicPenguin | Because, its not a word to be used lightly |
| 16:59.35 | CosmicPenguin | I want one of these: http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/keyboards/5c3f/ |
| 17:01.22 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: pixil time |
| 17:02.50 | prpplague | da da dom, pixil time, da da dom, pixil time |
| 17:03.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you mean you can't type in the dark? |
| 17:03.48 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: yeah, but it looks cool |
| 17:03.59 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: and really, isn't that the most important thing? |
| 17:04.02 | CosmicPenguin | :) |
| 17:04.13 | kergoth | "You see Steve, its a problem of motivation. If I work my ass off, and Digi ships a few extra units, I dont see a dime." |
| 17:04.30 | kergoth | hm, yep, digi is officially office space, minus milton |
| 17:04.50 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I lied, I've got a Term bug to fix first, then its pixil time |
| 17:05.04 | prpplague | kergoth: no milton? darn |
| 17:05.10 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ahh |
| 17:05.27 | prpplague | kergoth: ha i have a red swingleline on my desk! |
| 17:06.02 | prpplague | can you beleive there are only four showings of TTT today in my area |
| 17:10.14 | prpplague | well, i guess 16mb is better than 8 |
| 17:10.17 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: wow - that many? |
| 17:10.33 | sorphin | prpplague: you mean 4 |
| 17:10.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: 3 4 7 and 8 oclock |
| 17:11.15 | sorphin | prpplague: btw.. the 4 i said refered to the memory |
| 17:11.27 | sorphin | the webpal has 4 megs of mem apparently |
| 17:11.37 | CosmicPenguin | I was 17 before I saw a movie within a week of its inital release |
| 17:12.03 | prpplague | sorphin: ohh, are you sure? i was thinking the chip i had was 8 |
| 17:12.11 | sorphin | that page says 4 |
| 17:12.17 | sorphin | only way to know for sure is linux |
| 17:12.36 | prpplague | sorphin: nope your right, just checked the datasheet on the chip |
| 17:13.10 | prpplague | well if anyone need a 16meg simm, i have some |
| 17:14.30 | sorphin | no 32s eh? ;) |
| 17:16.42 | sorphin | prpplague: yo, paste that proc datasheet again ? (i'm at work and don't have it here) |
| 17:16.54 | sorphin | gonna find the A12 line |
| 17:17.37 | sorphin | damn |
| 17:17.48 | sorphin | the chick on the front page of cirrus is a hottie |
| 17:20.27 | CosmicPenguin | Has anyone started a wiki link on elinux.org? |
| 17:22.31 | sorphin | prolly not |
| 17:26.24 | prpplague | sorphin: hang on |
| 17:27.31 | sorphin | prpplague: you see that chick on the front of cirrus.com ? |
| 17:28.03 | prpplague | sorphin: naw, didn't go to the main page |
| 17:28.06 | prpplague | sorphin: will now |
| 17:28.36 | prpplague | nice |
| 17:29.45 | prpplague | sorphin: i'd buy that for a dollar |
| 17:30.06 | sorphin | hehe |
| 17:30.08 | sorphin | indeed |
| 17:30.13 | prpplague | http://www.cirrus.com/en/pubs/proDatasheet/ps7500fe.pdf |
| 17:31.12 | prpplague | sorphin: ya, i've got 16's 64's and 128's |
| 17:31.39 | prpplague | sorphin: all my 32's are dual 16's |
| 17:31.49 | sorphin | ? |
| 17:31.55 | sorphin | you mean dual bank? |
| 17:31.57 | prpplague | sorphin: double sided 16's |
| 17:32.04 | prpplague | sorphin: ya |
| 17:32.11 | sorphin | those would work |
| 17:32.30 | prpplague | not according to bigbrd's sight |
| 17:32.36 | sorphin | ummm |
| 17:32.41 | sorphin | yes they will |
| 17:32.44 | sorphin | reread |
| 17:32.51 | sorphin | dual sided will show up as 2 banks |
| 17:32.55 | sorphin | that's all he said |
| 17:36.08 | prpplague | hmm, i could have sworn it said that double sided could not be used |
| 17:36.54 | prpplague | doh, i miss read |
| 17:37.26 | prpplague | sorphin: so what kind of problems will we have with 2 banks rather than one? |
| 17:38.18 | sorphin | shouldn't have any that i know of |
| 17:44.51 | prpplague | sorphin: well i've tried three different doubles, with no-boot |
| 17:45.15 | sorphin | hmm |
| 17:45.20 | sorphin | they 4k or 2k ? |
| 17:45.35 | prpplague | 2k |
| 17:45.39 | sorphin | hmm |
| 17:46.44 | prpplague | sorphin: it starts to boot then hangs |
| 17:47.14 | sorphin | maybe it's just the webpal sw |
| 17:47.24 | sorphin | that don't like it |
| 17:47.24 | prpplague | sorphin: possible |
| 17:47.30 | sorphin | need to see what linux will do |
| 17:50.39 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: linux can do everything </troll> |
| 17:50.45 | prpplague | sorphin: i found some 32's that will boot |
| 17:51.02 | prpplague | sorphin: ya i got to get one loaded this weekend |
| 17:51.57 | sorphin | prpplague: cool |
| 17:52.40 | sorphin | prpplague: you'll need serial tho ;p |
| 17:55.21 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: so do I |
| 17:55.43 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: unless we get some resolution on that here soon, I'll hit the wire wrap / breadboard ... |
| 17:56.11 | CosmicPenguin | I'm the only person on a planet that can drop 15 bucks of wire on two ICs and a cap |
| 17:56.26 | sorphin | clear |
| 17:56.28 | sorphin | grr |
| 17:56.48 | CosmicPenguin | grr? |
| 17:57.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you got the max chip? |
| 17:57.54 | prpplague | sorphin: ok, i've tried 6 different 64mb chips with no luck |
| 17:59.02 | sorphin | heh |
| 18:00.28 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: no, but I figured i could order one pretty quickly |
| 18:00.29 | CosmicPenguin | why? |
| 18:00.59 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ohh, well if you gonna order, why not order one of the pre-made units |
| 18:01.21 | prpplague | ibot: ttl to serial |
| 18:01.22 | | prpplague: bugger all, i dunno |
| 18:01.27 | prpplague | ibot: ttl to rs-232 |
| 18:01.27 | | extra, extra, read all about it, ttl to rs-232 is http://www.al-williams.com/rs1.htm |
| 18:03.18 | sorphin | prpplague: he siad he doesn't trust it |
| 18:03.19 | sorphin | apparently |
| 18:03.29 | prpplague | sorphin: why? |
| 18:03.34 | sorphin | no idea |
| 18:07.41 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Well, two reasons. First, the design on big bird has 10 pins, your solution only has 6 |
| 18:08.17 | CosmicPenguin | Also, the RS232 dongle is attached right to the board, so there is lots of case modification, where as the other solution uses a cable to extend the dongle out of the box |
| 18:09.30 | sorphin | oh, this is gonna be fun.. |
| 18:09.40 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: there are only 6 pins that are of any concern on a rs-232 that we are concerned with anyway |
| 18:10.13 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: are you saying you don't want to mod the case? |
| 18:12.14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: tx,rx,cts,rts,power and ground |
| 18:13.34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya just checked the schematic, those are all thats being used |
| 18:13.38 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: alright |
| 18:13.51 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: ok, tell you want, just because you are you, I'll order one |
| 18:14.00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: lol |
| 18:14.23 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: don't let me bully you, i'm just saying, it looks like its the same |
| 18:14.43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: and you can use some ribbon cable to extend out of the case if you want |
| 18:15.15 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I don't need the kit, right? |
| 18:15.44 | prpplague | the $20 item comes with everything, the $10 one only the pcb |
| 18:15.59 | CosmicPenguin | damn |
| 18:16.06 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yep |
| 18:16.10 | prpplague | bbl |
| 18:16.15 | CosmicPenguin | Maybe I should wait and pay less |
| 18:16.26 | prp_lunch | CosmicPenguin: ya well i can't wait |
| 18:16.44 | prp_lunch | CosmicPenguin: i'll have to order some, and make a few temporary ones |
| 18:17.02 | prp_lunch | CosmicPenguin: i'll call the folks shortly and see about a volume discount |
| 18:25.51 | CosmicPenguin | prp_lunch: sweet |
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| 18:37.43 | sorphin | hmm |
| 18:39.00 | sorphin | A12 = RA11 (pin 101) |
| 18:43.20 | sorphin | and on the simm slot it's either pin 29 or pin or 33 |
| 18:45.23 | sorphin | ok, tis pin 29 |
| 18:45.44 | sorphin | now if tom would just show up ;p |
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| 18:48.45 | Russ|werk | did someone attempt to send me a message earlier? |
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| 19:18.32 | Russ|werk | already? |
| 19:18.33 | Russ|werk | geez |
| 19:21.05 | kergoth | hey russ, how goes it |
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| 19:24.48 | kergoth | BZFlag: hey tim |
| 19:31.19 | Russ|werk | goes good |
| 19:31.30 | Russ|werk | I noticed 4pcb.com requires a minium order of three |
| 19:31.37 | sorphin | saw |
| 19:31.40 | Russ|werk | so its really a $99 dollar special |
| 19:32.41 | sorphin | ummm what about the free bit |
| 19:34.03 | Russ|werk | a free bit? |
| 19:34.43 | prpplague | Russ|werk: you get your stuff? |
| 19:35.59 | Russ|werk | ya |
| 19:36.05 | Russ|werk | I haven't had a chance to pick it up |
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| 19:45.51 | sorphin | sjhill: what bitch |
| 19:49.22 | sjhill | lol |
| 19:49.27 | file | I also got the USB drivers for the Planet Halo device... |
| 19:49.57 | sjhill | sorphin: i just bought a 50-pack of CDRs...how about an address...16 discs right? |
| 19:50.43 | sorphin | rechecking :P |
| 19:50.55 | sjhill | heh |
| 19:51.07 | sorphin | yes |
| 19:51.08 | sorphin | 16 |
| 19:51.17 | sjhill | cool...address? |
| 19:51.20 | sorphin | hey, some of us are busy atm :P |
| 19:51.34 | sjhill | k |
| 19:52.40 | prpplague | sjhill: yo |
| 19:52.49 | prpplague | sjhill: how did the interview go? |
| 19:53.14 | sjhill | prpplague: great....now i'm trying to negotiate salary |
| 19:55.03 | sorphin | scary |
| 19:55.14 | Lethal | BZFlag, not part of the metroworks fanclub? :P |
| 19:59.18 | sorphin | parent |
| 19:59.21 | sorphin | not parents |
| 19:59.29 | sjhill | ah |
| 19:59.36 | BZFlag | not part of the team, that's for certian. fan club remains to be seen. |
| 19:59.44 | prpplague | BZFlag: are you out? |
| 19:59.44 | sorphin | sjhill: who the fuck said that anyways? |
| 20:00.03 | sjhill | sorphin: no one, i was poking fun |
| 20:00.16 | sorphin | heh |
| 20:00.17 | BZFlag | sorphin: tone down the language please? |
| 20:00.24 | sorphin | BZFlag: k |
| 20:00.25 | sjhill | sorphin: i'll send them out tomorrow |
| 20:00.31 | sorphin | sjhill: k |
| 20:00.39 | sjhill | BZFlag: oh yeah? well !$#@%^$!#$!!#@$#! |
| 20:00.46 | sjhill | :) |
| 20:00.48 | sorphin | heh |
| 20:00.54 | sorphin | a [censored] channel |
| 20:01.30 | sjhill | pass |
| 20:01.34 | *** mode/#eLinux [+o sorphin] by ChanServ |
| 20:01.39 | sjhill | gaaahh |
| 20:01.46 | BZFlag | sjhill: #$*&*#@$&%*& to you too! |
| 20:02.08 | sorphin | BZFlag: %$(*#@%*($@*% to metrowerx for not keeping you |
| 20:02.22 | sorphin | metroworks even |
| 20:02.43 | sorphin | well, i'd fire andersee too ;) |
| 20:02.57 | prpplague | sjhill: are they in the ballpark? |
| 20:03.01 | sorphin | damn busybox daemon ;) |
| 20:05.21 | sjhill | lol |
| 20:05.26 | sjhill | i'm positive this Dilbert cartoon wasn't in the paper -> http://reality.sgiweb.org/extasia/ |
| 20:05.28 | sjhill | *sigh* i think i already pasted that link here before |
| 20:05.50 | sorphin | i love that |
| 20:06.07 | sjhill | prpplague: i'd have to take a 25% cut and relocate |
| 20:06.12 | sjhill | 25% minimum |
| 20:06.20 | sorphin | sjhill: from what? 120k? :P |
| 20:06.34 | sjhill | heh, no...but E* is really cheap |
| 20:06.44 | sorphin | what's their offer? |
| 20:06.56 | sorphin | considering what i make at wcom :P |
| 20:06.58 | sorphin | i'll take it |
| 20:07.31 | file[desk] | eh |
| 20:07.44 | andersee | sorphin: I heard that :-) |
| 20:08.01 | sorphin | andersee: you're supposed to be sleepign still :P |
| 20:08.29 | andersee | sorphin: Nah, I had to get up early to pick up family at the airport... |
| 20:09.02 | sorphin | ah |
| 20:11.14 | kergoth | prpplague: going to ask deb for a digi connect unit or work on the netsilicon NET+ARM? |
| 20:16.09 | prpplague | kergoth: ya i was planning to call when i got a chance |
| 20:16.31 | prpplague | kergoth: i've been tinkering with the net+arm board and i think i want a digi connect |
| 20:16.43 | kergoth | prpplague: ah, k |
| 20:20.37 | prpplague | kergoth: you make any progress? |
| 20:21.03 | kergoth | prpplague: nah been hacking on the Z kernel |
| 20:21.04 | prpplague | kergoth: i got some uclinux done, but still not addressed the bldr |
| 20:21.11 | kergoth | prpplague: bldr is the holdup, yeah |
| 20:22.14 | sorphin | still no sign of my zaurus :( |
| 20:23.02 | kergoth | that sucks |
| 20:23.07 | kergoth | wheres it at atm? |
| 20:23.30 | sorphin | on it's way here still apparently |
| 20:23.53 | Russ|werk | I'm wondering if we should go with pcbexpress.com and get 18in^2 of board for $80 |
| 20:24.24 | Russ|werk | I suppose thats not very much board :( |
| 20:24.48 | sorphin | Russ: well, the rs232s aren't that big |
| 20:24.59 | Russ|werk | I would probably make them smaller than they are |
| 20:25.31 | Russ|werk | use just a 10 pin connector that would be a spacer, a s016 max232, 4 0805 pump caps, and a 10 pin rs232 connector |
| 20:25.43 | Russ|werk | so it would be as wide as the 10 pin connector |
| 20:26.21 | sorphin | nod |
| 20:26.29 | andersee | sorphin: my digital camera apparently has been sitting in Louisville KY since yesterday |
| 20:26.45 | sorphin | this was priority mail |
| 20:26.50 | sorphin | to work |
| 20:27.07 | sorphin | prolly be here tomorrow, since now apparently, from chicago to here, takes 3 days ;p |
| 20:27.11 | sorphin | damn xmas rush BS |
| 20:29.44 | sorphin | this means i won't be able to use it till friday |
| 20:29.55 | Russ|werk | there was some board house in africa that would do $20ish boards as long as they meet some specifications |
| 20:32.48 | sorphin | nod |
| 20:51.02 | BZFlag | kergoth: I installed mutt and spamassassin for you. |
| 20:51.54 | kergoth | BZFlag: hehe. thanks. didnt need to do that, the ones in my homedir work .. ;) |
| 20:52.38 | kergoth | file[desk]: ? |
| 20:52.52 | file | kergoth: my MMC hasn't come yet |
| 20:53.01 | kergoth | file: ah |
| 20:53.16 | BZFlag | kergoth: I'd rather use the system ones so any user has access. just saves space. but if you find a reason to keep locals, do as you like. |
| 20:53.39 | kergoth | BZFlag: of course. thanks. |
| 21:06.20 | sjhill | well, that was a nice walk |
| 21:06.38 | sjhill | it's great living right next to the 2nd largest city park |
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| 22:02.52 | kergoth | "Most importantly, the toolkit provides a special compiler that translates your HTML code into C code." |
| 22:02.59 | kergoth | sick bastards! |
| 22:04.38 | prpplague | lol |
| 22:05.22 | kergoth | prpplague: this is in the damn user manual for the NET+OS BSP |
| 22:06.05 | prpplague | kergoth: ewww? your kidding right? |
| 22:06.22 | kergoth | prpplague: hell no. somehitng about creating menus in html and compiling them |
| 22:06.28 | kergoth | prpplague: fucked up way of doing things |
| 22:06.35 | prpplague | kergoth: no s |
| 22:08.20 | prpplague | kergoth: i swear if my boss asks me one more time this hour how this project is going, he's gonna have a hard time explaining to the emegency room how this cd-rom got stuck up his ass |
| 22:08.28 | kergoth | prpplague: lol |
| 22:08.37 | kergoth | prpplague: i hate it when they dont get off your back |
| 22:09.01 | prpplague | kergoth: this project should take about 6 months and they want it in two weeks |
| 22:09.38 | kergoth | prpplague: doesnt surprise me. |
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| 22:23.39 | andersee | kergoth: How will you be stuffing things into flash on your boards? jtag? |
| 22:25.04 | kergoth | andersee: yep |
| 22:28.19 | andersee | kergoth: do you need a bootloader? |
| 22:34.32 | prpplague | andersee: ya thats kinda what we are stuck on |
| 22:34.50 | andersee | kergoth: arcturusnetworks has one: http://www.uclinux.com/Software/Software.html |
| 22:34.51 | prpplague | andersee: any suggestions? |
| 22:35.12 | andersee | kergoth: Also these folks sell one for the netsilicon Net+Arm http://www.es-usa.com/index.cfm?color=blue |
| 22:35.12 | kergoth | whew back, had to do some real work |
| 22:35.35 | andersee | I think they call it the LxNET50 |
| 22:35.48 | prpplague | andersee: net+50 is what we are using |
| 22:36.22 | andersee | Doesn't it provide a "Net+Lx" bootloader |
| 22:37.04 | prpplague | andersee: ya, we just weren't sure if it would work with uclinux |
| 22:37.21 | kergoth | yep. if itll work then great |
| 22:37.44 | kergoth | brb, soda run |
| 22:39.38 | andersee | prpplague: Should work. See for example http://www.uclinux.org/pub/uClinux/archive/1678.html |
| 22:40.28 | prpplague | andersee: thanks |
| 22:40.35 | andersee | prpplague: See chapter 6 of the LxNET50 User's Manual |
| 22:41.02 | prpplague | andersee: sounds like your familiar with the net+50 |
| 22:41.18 | andersee | prpplague: Of course, if you need something fancy, blob could be ported without too much pain |
| 22:42.29 | prpplague | andersee: lxnet50 users manual...., i don't seem to have that with my dev board...... |
| 22:42.36 | prpplague | kergoth: do you? |
| 22:43.26 | kergoth | prpplague: fraid not |
| 22:44.52 | andersee | http://www.es-usa.com/filez/LxNet50_20.pdf |
| 22:44.53 | prpplague | kergoth: hmm, guess we need to harras you sister company netsilicon |
| 22:45.29 | prpplague | andersee: thanks |
| 22:45.53 | kergoth | andersee: ah thanks |
| 22:46.00 | andersee | prpplague: I guess chapter 6 is now chapter 13... |
| 22:47.43 | kergoth | hmm |
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| 23:11.33 | Russ|werk | the serial layout is looking good, they will panelize good, each one is about 0.5"x0.75" |
| 23:12.12 | prpplague | Russ|werk: ohh? when do expect them to be ready? |
| 23:14.05 | Russ|werk | well, unfortunately, the the board house I want to use takes a winter break between the 20th and the 6th |
| 23:14.33 | Russ|werk | but they will route the boards for us |
| 23:20.35 | andersee | Russ|werk: these boards you speak of? shanip? |
| 23:21.53 | jacques | hi andersee |
| 23:22.03 | MonMotha | you don't really need custom boards for shanip...I managed to fit it in about 2"x2" on a standard proto board |
| 23:22.13 | MonMotha | I don't think you could get much smaller using standard through-hole components |
| 23:22.56 | Russ|werk | andersee: the boards for the webpal with a serial level shifter |
| 23:23.48 | file | I dunno where it's going though |
| 23:24.00 | andersee | jacques: hey |
| 23:24.15 | file | mmm would anybody happen to have a power supply for one? |
| 23:24.23 | andersee | Russ|werk: ahh |
| 23:24.28 | andersee | Russ|werk: too bad |
| 23:24.32 | andersee | :-) |
| 23:25.02 | Russ|werk | andersee: I'll be including some shanip mods in this panel |
| 23:25.21 | Russ|werk | andersee: as well as some more jtag |
| 23:26.16 | Russ|werk | I get about 24.5sqin |
| 23:32.52 | Russ|werk | I don't know which shanip to do though, 1, 2, or 3 |
| 23:33.10 | file | Russ|werk: could always randomly pick... |
| 23:33.20 | MonMotha | Russ|werk: 2 and 3 seem to be popular |
| 23:33.28 | MonMotha | and less complicated |
| 23:33.33 | Russ|werk | well, 3 is simplier than 2 |
| 23:33.42 | Russ|werk | and 1 has has an op-amp |
| 23:34.27 | MonMotha | I gather 2 has received more testign than 3, but dunno how much of a qualifier that is |
| 23:34.55 | Russ|werk | who designs these things? |
| 23:35.03 | MonMotha | dnno |
| 23:36.04 | MonMotha | totally off topic, but anyone know a place that still sells IBC Cherry Cola? |
| 23:36.04 | Russ|werk | http://www.tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/ShanIP <- disapeared |
| 23:36.14 | Russ|werk | pop shop |
| 23:36.47 | MonMotha | Russ|werk: naw, the Wiki's just acting up, as usual |
| 23:36.52 | Russ|werk | http://www.popsoda.com/ |
| 23:37.07 | Russ|werk | local for me |
| 23:37.13 | andersee | Russ|werk: keep hitting reload. I got it after like 10 reloads |
| 23:37.15 | andersee | The ShanIP is a audio modification for the TuxScreen to allow the CPU to make noises using the speaker/handset. |
| 23:37.15 | andersee | Here's the schematics http://www.tuxscreen.net/download/schematics/shanip2.pdf |
| 23:37.15 | andersee | There are also some photos available http://www.tuxscreen.net/download/shanip2-pictures/ |
| 23:37.54 | prpplague | MonMotha: our local convience store does |
| 23:38.10 | prpplague | well, i'm off to see TTT |
| 23:38.13 | prpplague | later guys |
| 23:38.22 | prpplague | andersee: most assuredly |
| 23:38.24 | MonMotha | Russ|werk: they're out of IBC Cherry Cola |
| 23:38.34 | *** part/#elinux prpplague (~JoeBob1@12.148.134.9) |
| 23:38.38 | MonMotha | prpplague: there's a local grocery chain that has them on occassion, so I have to stock up :) |
| 23:39.23 | MonMotha | I have a shanip2 built, but I haven't hooked it up yet |
| 23:39.55 | file | andersee: I concur |
| 23:40.01 | file | andersee: but maybe we should get a third opinion |
| 23:40.42 | Russ|werk | anyway, I need to get going to LoTR |
| 23:40.56 | file | Russ|werk: do the hussle! |
| 23:41.03 | file | get it, hussle, dance, BLEH |
| 23:41.38 | Russ|werk | hussle/russell? |
| 23:41.45 | file | oh even better! |