irclog2html for #elinux on 20021217

`00:25.39`	`file`	`andersee: me and you are the only two without Webpals`
`00:30.47`	`andersee`	`file: :-)`
`00:31.12`	`andersee`	`file: Everyone else will get bored of 'em soon enough. :-)`
`00:31.17`	`file`	`hehe`
`00:33.34`	`MonMotha`	`I don't have a webpal`
`00:34.13`	`file`	`MonMotha: it was a figure of speech`
`00:34.40`	`file`	`MonMotha: all the big people in here have one`
`00:37.46`	`MonMotha`	`ah`
`00:37.54`	`MonMotha`	`those aren't easy to detect when all you have is text`
`00:38.31`	`file`	`yet again, figure of speech`
`00:38.47`	`file`	`big people = people who use ARM devices and other junk like the Webpal alot`
`00:38.58`	`file`	`yeekz... I feel like I'm talking to my coworker`
`01:25.29`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`01:31.17`	`sorphin`	`we have webpals grin`
`01:31.40`	`sorphin`	`shipped in a big UPS worldwide box w/ too many peanuts ;p`
`01:35.47`	`sorphin`	`bah`
`01:35.50`	`sorphin`	`thing uses a damn brick`
`01:36.25`	`sorphin`	`and we haved leaked korean/chinese/japanese/whoever batteries here too`
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`01:52.43`	`cpenguin_home`	`Heh - I joined #tuxscreen again by accident`
`01:53.13`	`sorphin`	`shame on you grin`
`01:54.14`	`sorphin`	`cpenguin_home: these things musta been sitting in a warehouse for ages, i had leaky batts too.. looks like if you could find the chips, you could up the size of the flash on the simm that's in it possibly`
`01:54.55`	`MonMotha`	`I really wish SF would stop breaking things`
`01:55.17`	`cpenguin_home`	`sorphin: uhhh.... I have no idea what you are talking about`
`01:55.23`	`sorphin`	`the flash simm`
`01:55.27`	`sorphin`	`in the webpal`
`01:55.40`	`cpenguin_home`	`Right.... somewhere in the area of a meg, right?`
`01:55.41`	`sorphin`	`it has a spot for another chip (didn't look on the other side, maybe 2)`
`01:55.59`	`sorphin`	`right`
`01:56.16`	`cpenguin_home`	`ahh.... I'm shooting for IDE anyway`
`01:56.26`	`cpenguin_home`	`I kind of liked Russ\|werk's ideas about the flash too`
`01:56.34`	`cpenguin_home`	`sorphin: What about that metal case? Annoying, huh?`
`01:56.56`	`cpenguin_home`	`sorphin: plugged it in yet?`
`01:57.26`	`sorphin`	`no, these were sitting outside all day in the box`
`01:57.31`	`sorphin`	`letting them "adjust to room temp"`
`01:57.39`	`sorphin`	`else they might condensate :P`
`01:58.07`	`sorphin`	`still wonder if a cisco flash simm will work`
`01:58.11`	`sorphin`	`be nice if it did`
`01:58.15`	`sorphin`	`i have a few around`
`02:00.26`	`file[laptop]`	`sorphin: they were there when you got home?`
`02:02.13`	`cpenguin_home`	`mmm... leaky batteries`
`02:03.12`	`file[laptop]`	`axe deodorant body spray! argh`
`02:04.27`	`sorphin`	`yup`
`02:04.56`	`sorphin`	`ok, this thing has J10 and J11 spots 2 more serial ports or what's the 2nd one if one is serial ?`
`02:09.26`	`cpenguin_home`	`looks good`
`02:10.16`	`sorphin`	`?`
`02:10.17`	`file[laptop]`	`sorphin: both serial`
`02:11.23`	`cpenguin_home`	`sorphin: the webpal output`
`02:11.29`	`cpenguin_home`	`very clean`
`02:12.04`	`sorphin`	`ah`
`02:12.38`	`cpenguin_home`	`The keyboard is a motherlovin' segin`
`02:12.43`	`cpenguin_home`	`Thats a horrible protocol`
`02:12.46`	`sorphin`	`i should see if i can track down 2 of these lil flash chips (if i can't use my other simms)`
`02:13.00`	`sorphin`	`it looks just like the tux one, cept gray`
`02:14.24`	`cpenguin_home`	`Does the website mention that the remote works, or not?`
`02:14.30`	`cpenguin_home`	`Because, I have all this sejin code`
`02:14.39`	`sorphin`	`i dunno`
`02:14.43`	`cpenguin_home`	`It freaks out with no modem`
`02:14.45`	`file[laptop]`	`cpenguin_home: your making me want it more`
`02:14.51`	`sorphin`	`of course`
`02:14.58`	`sorphin`	`it expects one`
`02:14.59`	`file[laptop]`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:14.59`	`file[laptop]`	`<EtherNet> my s`
`02:15.01`	`file[laptop]`	`oops`
`02:17.12`	`cpenguin_home`	`alright - its time to put linux on this bad boy`
`02:17.17`	`sorphin`	`hehe`
`02:17.22`	`file[laptop]`	`cpenguin_home: good luck`
`02:17.34`	`sorphin`	`w/o the serial?`
`02:17.46`	`cpenguin_home`	`file[laptop]: unfortunately, that involves a serial card, which I persist in failing to have`
`02:18.38`	`file[laptop]`	`cpenguin_home: ...o k`
`02:22.34`	`sorphin`	`hmm`
`02:22.46`	`sorphin`	`can't find anything on that atmel chip`
`02:28.41`	`cpenguin_home`	`atmel? Thats probably the analog processor`
`02:28.42`	`cpenguin_home`	`Number?`
`02:29.24`	`sorphin`	`ok, i found it`
`02:29.31`	`sorphin`	`i had to clean the lil red dot off covering the #'s`
`02:30.15`	`sorphin`	`8-bit Microcontroller w/ 8k Bytes flash`
`02:30.20`	`sorphin`	`AT89C52`
`02:31.50`	`sorphin`	`must be for the smartcard reader`
`02:39.23`	`sorphin`	`cpenguin_home: so.. how're you putting linux on it w/o being able to change the flash code`
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`02:40.55`	`cpenguin_home`	`sorphin: like I said, I need the serial card`
`02:41.03`	`cpenguin_home`	`BUt you already knew that... :)`
`02:43.03`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`02:43.26`	`sorphin`	`you had me slightly confused when you said: <cpenguin_home> alright - its time to put linux on this bad boy`
`02:44.31`	`file[laptop]`	`same here...`
`02:46.17`	`cpenguin_home`	`ahh....`
`02:46.30`	`cpenguin_home`	`But I did mention a serial card, which I persist in failing to have`
`02:54.57`	`cpenguin_home`	`Hmmm.... a dhcp server is in my future, I think`
`02:57.09`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`04:04.07`	`cpenguin_home`	`brb`
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`04:21.11`	`cpenguin_home`	`Dangit - I lost a bill`
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`05:56.04`	`sorphin`	`uh oh`
`05:56.37`	`andersee`	`fear`
`05:56.38`	`sorphin`	`andersee: what're you breakin? ;)`
`05:57.42`	`sorphin`	`ah`
`05:57.46`	`sorphin`	`thats all?`
`05:57.50`	`sorphin`	`weak :P`
`05:58.16`	`andersee`	`yeah I know`
`05:58.37`	`cpenguin_home`	`andersee: thats about all I can handle`
`05:58.46`	`andersee`	`It was feeding +12 to the fan and driving me crazy with noise`
`05:59.02`	`andersee`	`Now it is silent as the grave (the way a good computer should be)`
`06:01.36`	`sorphin`	`but also lower cfm`
`06:02.26`	`sorphin`	`ya know i just noticed`
`06:02.37`	`sorphin`	`these guys must be itchin for pad corrosion`
`06:04.35`	`sorphin`	`the flash simm is gold pinned, the ram simm is tin, the pins in both sockets are the same.. and if my memory serves me right, and it usually does, you don't wanna keep a gold pinned simm sitting in a socket that doesn't have gold pins also (if you get my drift here), just like you don't mix gold pinned sockets and tin simms.. i forget exactly what the chemical reaction is tho`
`06:06.03`	`cpenguin_home`	`sorphin: for 12.95, do you really care?`
`06:08.37`	`MonMotha`	`sorphin: I've got comps with gold/tin mixed and have had the SIMMs installed for at least 4 years...no problems with reliability and no noticable "corrosion", though I don't doubt that there's a possibility`
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`15:46.52`	`kergoth`	`hey`
`15:47.48`	`sorphin`	`lo`
`15:48.38`	`kergoth`	`i shouldve gone to bed before 5am`
`15:48.47`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`15:48.52`	`sorphin`	`4am here`
`15:49.49`	`sorphin`	`too bad caffeine does nothing to me :P`
`15:50.47`	`kergoth`	`yeah not much here either, i'd prefer orange juice`
`15:50.55`	`kergoth`	`something in that shit wakes me up more than caffeine`
`15:50.56`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`15:51.01`	`kergoth`	`man, you know what sounds good`
`15:51.02`	`kergoth`	`a bawls`
`15:51.04`	`kergoth`	`i need to order a case`
`15:51.27`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`16:20.52`	`sieve`	`mmmmmmmmm bawls.... necter of the gods`
`16:26.57`	`sorphin`	`could use a better name ;p`
`16:27.24`	`kergoth`	`bah, a drink called bawls in a blue bottle is priceless. blue bawls.`
`16:27.27`	`kergoth`	`a bit immature, but hye`
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`16:28.36`	`TomW`	`sorphin: webpals.bigbrd.com has been sucked dry, webpals are "out for delivery". :)`
`16:28.53`	`sorphin`	`cool`
`16:28.56`	`sorphin`	`so the site is back up?`
`16:30.08`	`TomW`	`Yeah, sent him an email yesterday afternoon and several hours later it came back online. I am not sure where he has it, he said his local power company electric came back after being off all weekend.`
`16:30.15`	`TomW`	`North Carolina?`
`16:30.35`	`sorphin`	`no`
`16:30.39`	`sorphin`	`mountainview, ca`
`16:30.53`	`TomW`	`Pacific Northwest? Whatever, I have everything now, except for time. :( I have those linux boxen to get ready today.`
`16:31.11`	`sorphin`	`they were having power probs recently in mtn view/sunnyvale this past weekend`
`16:31.30`	`TomW`	`BUT, once they show up, I am eager to pry one of them apart!`
`16:31.41`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`16:31.54`	`sorphin`	`TomW: there's a spare spot on the flash simm for another AMD chip`
`16:32.06`	`TomW`	`Hmmm.`
`16:32.21`	`sorphin`	`so if you could find one of those chips, should just be able to toss it on`
`16:32.40`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`16:32.43`	`sorphin`	`his site may be up`
`16:32.49`	`sorphin`	`but his dns resolving isn't ;p`
`16:32.49`	`TomW`	`I wonder what browser they have, like, I wonder if I can give one of these thingys to my Mom to give her Internet Access?`
`16:32.58`	`sorphin`	`i dunno, ask jordan`
`16:33.04`	`sorphin`	`he actually fired his up last night`
`16:33.12`	`sorphin`	`apparently the rca is really clear`
`16:33.26`	`TomW`	`sorphin: If you wait a bit, I will take the site contents and put it on openhardware.net.`
`16:33.33`	`sorphin`	`mihgt have to`
`16:33.39`	`sorphin`	`i can't resolve webpals.bigbrd.com anywhere ;p`
`16:34.11`	`TomW`	`64 bytes from adsl-63-198-187-46.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (63.198.187.46): icmp_seq=0 ttl=240 time=197.290 msec`
`16:34.24`	`TomW`	`He is running a DSL site.`
`16:34.28`	`sorphin`	`nod`
`16:34.31`	`sorphin`	`as am i :P`
`16:34.43`	`sorphin`	`well`
`16:34.45`	`TomW`	`I am cable modem here on static IP.`
`16:34.48`	`sorphin`	`can't hit his site via IP`
`16:34.51`	`sorphin`	`it 404's`
`16:34.57`	`sorphin`	`prolly using named vhosting`
`16:35.14`	`TomW`	`sorphin: it loads here okay.`
`16:35.43`	`sorphin`	`404 Not Found`
`16:35.43`	`sorphin`	`The requested URL '/' was not found on this server.`
`16:35.43`	`TomW`	`Maybe MO didn't pay thier internet cloud bill?`
`16:35.48`	`sorphin`	`umm`
`16:35.53`	`sorphin`	`if that were teh case`
`16:35.56`	`sorphin`	`i wouldn't be here :P`
`16:37.33`	`TomW`	`shit, just crashed my website.`
`16:37.41`	`sorphin`	`doh ;p`
`16:37.55`	`TomW`	`I got to get rid of that vmware virtual setup I have running the website.`
`16:38.06`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`16:38.25`	`TomW`	`This motherboard has an Intel chipset and the damned video server for X is soooo unstable!`
`16:39.45`	`TomW`	`Hmmm, maybe take those three webpals, stick ethernet cards in them (and small drives), then use them to build the site with?`
`16:39.47`	`TomW`	`heh`
`16:40.06`	`sorphin`	`well, i ran my webserver for 3 years on a sparc classic ;p`
`16:40.12`	`sorphin`	`over nfs`
`16:40.21`	`TomW`	`argh!`
`16:40.44`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Morning folks`
`16:40.44`	`sorphin`	`nice`
`16:40.44`	`sorphin`	`you appear`
`16:40.44`	`TomW`	`nothing like brutalizy yourself, is there?`
`16:40.44`	`sorphin`	`and you cause a netsplit`
`16:40.53`	`sorphin`	`TomW: actually it worked quite well`
`16:41.02`	`TomW`	`CosmicPenguin: howdy`
`16:41.07`	`sorphin`	`TomW: back in the day, when i ran the ISP`
`16:41.14`	`CosmicPenguin`	`How is the ol' webpal community holding out today?`
`16:41.18`	`sorphin`	`TomW: my personal webserver at home, was a NeXT Station`
`16:41.24`	`sorphin`	`worked great`
`16:41.47`	`TomW`	`CosmicPenguin: mine are on the truck "out for delivery" and the webpal.bigbrd.com site is up, so I sucked it dry.`
`16:41.53`	`sorphin`	`CosmicPenguin: tom's are appearing today, tho he has no time for em yet`
`16:41.56`	`sorphin`	`TomW: ah HA`
`16:42.02`	`sorphin`	`is it webpal or webpals? :P`
`16:42.07`	`sorphin`	`you said webpals befpore`
`16:42.09`	`sorphin`	`before`
`16:42.22`	`TomW`	`webpal.bigbrd.com`
`16:42.28`	`sorphin`	`ok`
`16:42.31`	`sorphin`	`now it works :P`
`16:43.03`	`TomW`	`sorphin: I am going to drive myself nuts looking out the door every 15 minutes for a big box on the front step. :/`
`16:43.20`	`sorphin`	`mine arrived in a big UPS worldwide box`
`16:43.30`	`sorphin`	`TomW: and guess what ;)`
`16:43.43`	`TomW`	`These guys from UPS could teach the Military a few things about Stealth Delivery...`
`16:43.50`	`sorphin`	`you get to be the next member of the corroded battery club :P`
`16:43.58`	`TomW`	`lol`
`16:44.08`	`TomW`	`the "corroded battery club"?`
`16:44.09`	`sorphin`	`the batteries they send w/ the remote`
`16:44.17`	`TomW`	`Ah, no!`
`16:44.25`	`sorphin`	`seem to have been sitting AROUND since 1997 :P`
`16:44.29`	`sorphin`	`they leaked`
`16:44.35`	`TomW`	`I'll bet.`
`16:44.59`	`sorphin`	`never seen a battery leak that wasn't IN something, till i bought one of my tivos`
`16:45.04`	`sorphin`	`and the batts for the remote were like that`
`16:45.07`	`TomW`	`Well, I have 0.005" brass shim stock here if I have to rebuild the battery contacts.`
`16:45.40`	`sorphin`	`nono`
`16:46.02`	`sorphin`	`the batts are just in their cardboard/plastic thing like you normally get batts in w/ tons of korean writing`
`16:46.06`	`TomW`	`Did it screw the electronics in the remote?`
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`16:46.49`	`TomW`	`Or, did they package the batts seperately?`
`16:48.30`	`CosmicPenguin`	`seperately - the hardware is in good shape`
`16:48.37`	`sorphin`	`yup`
`16:49.48`	`CosmicPenguin`	`They did a pretty good job with the UI`
`16:50.03`	`TomW`	`fscking Intel crap!`
`16:50.04`	`CosmicPenguin`	`We need to get our hands on some TV friendly fonts`
`16:50.28`	`TomW`	`sorphin: crashed it again!!!`
`16:50.48`	`TomW`	`That's it, I am only gonna ssh into the server.`
`16:52.35`	`sorphin`	`doh`
`16:53.34`	`TomW`	`:/`
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`16:57.37`	`sorphin`	`and heeeeeeeeeeeeeeere's satan grin`
`16:58.26`	`sorphin`	`TomW: wonder what's w/ the ir keyboard/serial interaction`
`17:00.12`	`sorphin`	`hmmmmmmmmmmmmm`
`17:00.14`	`sorphin`	`rscott's loader (including bootstrapping so you don't need a flash programmer)`
`17:00.26`	`sorphin`	`i wonder`
`17:01.28`	`sorphin`	`coo`
`17:01.50`	`sorphin`	`http://mtrob.fdns.net/~webpal/ has the flash pinouts, etc.. (of the simm)..`
`17:04.28`	`sorphin`	`coo`
`17:04.40`	`sorphin`	`you don't need the hw flasher to flash the flash initially`
`17:19.23`	`TomW`	`yeah, 1Meg of flash ain't very much, is it?`
`17:20.10`	`sorphin`	`TomW: not that 2 is much better, but still`
`17:20.16`	`TomW`	`But, I have booted using less. The EZ328LCD controller boots linux with only 32K of EPROM.`
`17:20.52`	`sorphin`	`if either we could solder another amd chip onto the flash simm or one of my cisco flash simms works, then that's even better :) tho we know jordan will be using CF :P`
`17:21.21`	`TomW`	`I wonder how big the emlilo is, if it will boot from an IDE drive and what filesystem(s), if any, it supports.`
`17:21.42`	`sorphin`	`dunno`
`17:22.16`	`sorphin`	`if only 10 of those pins on j10/11 are the serial crap, what's the other 10?`
`17:22.20`	`TomW`	`With only 1 meg of flash, that isn't big enough for anything seriously General Purpose that I would like to tinker with on the WebPal.`
`17:22.43`	`sorphin`	`nod`
`17:23.04`	`TomW`	`I think they said that there were two 10 pin headers, J10 went to the IR stuff, and J11 was a spare serial port.`
`17:23.26`	`TomW`	`won't know until I pry one apart.`
`17:24.16`	`sorphin`	`but the port he's using is interacting w/ the ir keyboard for some reason`
`17:24.34`	`sorphin`	`and one hits the atmel for the smartcard`
`17:24.37`	`TomW`	`screw this, I have to go to the bank to xfer some funds. Hopefully they will be here when I get back.`
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`17:41.44`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Damn UARTs`
`17:41.57`	`TomW_gone`	`UPS has received shipper's billing information electronically. Billing information received does not indicate shipment pickup or drop-off. Please contact the shipper for more details.`
`17:42.02`	`TomW_gone`	`idiots!`
`17:42.19`	`sorphin`	`?`
`17:42.25`	`TomW_gone`	`Their web tracking sux`
`17:42.29`	`sorphin`	`CALL them`
`17:42.34`	`sorphin`	`1-800-pick-ups`
`17:42.59`	`TomW_gone`	`I called and the guy said as far as he can see, it is on the truck, scheduled for delivery.`
`17:43.04`	`CosmicPenguin`	`I love the 16550 kernel code - you can send kernel messages all day, but unless you get an interrupt, userland code will sit in a buffer forever`
`17:43.30`	`kergoth`	`CosmicPenguin: so make it poll if you want it to behave otherwise`
`17:43.30`	`sorphin`	`CosmicPenguin: what i'm trying to figure out`
`17:43.30`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`17:43.36`	`sorphin`	`is what i ran into before`
`17:43.42`	`sorphin`	`unless i run minicom 1st`
`17:43.54`	`sorphin`	`inferno hangs accessing my serial port`
`17:44.01`	`CosmicPenguin`	`kergoth: yeah, I know, but thats Linus's code that does that`
`17:44.02`	`sorphin`	`and same w/ my VFD program`
`17:44.09`	`CosmicPenguin`	`PITA to modify all the time`
`17:44.10`	`sorphin`	`no idea why`
`17:44.17`	`sorphin`	`kergoth: any ideas mr serial?`
`17:44.18`	`kergoth`	`CosmicPenguin: you expected otherwise/`
`17:44.34`	`kergoth`	`sorphin: inferno hangs? in what syscall?`
`17:44.39`	`CosmicPenguin`	`kergoth: good pint`
`17:45.08`	`sorphin`	`right after opening ttyS0 (and if i don't init the seiral w/ something like say minicom) my vfd program can't access the serial port either`
`17:45.16`	`kergoth`	`CosmicPenguin: most nonintelligent serial devices will rely on interrupts as a default behavior`
`17:45.19`	`sorphin`	`and i'm using standard serial access code`
`17:45.31`	`kergoth`	`sorphin: i understand that, and which function is it hanging in?`
`17:45.32`	`kergoth`	`open()?`
`17:45.33`	`kergoth`	`read()?`
`17:45.37`	`sorphin`	`open`
`17:45.40`	`CosmicPenguin`	`kergoth: yeah..... I suspect a hardware problem`
`17:46.01`	`sorphin`	`that i can tell w/ strace anyways`
`17:46.12`	`kergoth`	`if open() hangs, its blocking for some reason. did clocal get turned off?`
`17:46.26`	`sorphin`	`kergoth: here's the code i use in my vfd program, which should work:`
`17:46.28`	`kergoth`	`stty -a is your friend`
`17:46.29`	`kergoth`	`:)`
`17:46.31`	`sorphin`	`mini flood`
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`17:47.25`	`kergoth`	`sorphin: theres the problem`
`17:47.30`	`kergoth`	`sorphin: if you're opening to set parameters`
`17:47.43`	`sorphin`	`i keep it open`
`17:47.44`	`kergoth`	`sorphin: open it in O_NONBLOCK to ensure the initial open() doesnt block if CLOCAL is unset`
`17:47.53`	`sorphin`	`hmm`
`17:48.04`	`sorphin`	`wonder is that's the same problem inferno has`
`17:48.13`	`kergoth`	`sorphin: then open() is defined to be unable to block, cant hang`
`17:48.18`	`kergoth`	`generally apps open() in nonblock to config`
`17:48.18`	`sorphin`	`cuz like i said, once i hit the port once w/ minicom`
`17:48.21`	`kergoth`	`then reopen`
`17:48.28`	`kergoth`	`minicom is setting parameters`
`17:48.28`	`sorphin`	`it's fine`
`17:48.31`	`kergoth`	`affecting behavior`
`17:48.39`	`kergoth`	`compare stty -a output before and after`
`17:48.53`	`kergoth`	`but to prevent the hang, open in nonblock for the configuration pass`
`17:49.04`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`17:49.07`	`sorphin`	`i only open once`
`17:49.23`	`kergoth`	`you dont need to open a second time`
`17:49.29`	`kergoth`	`unless you -want- it to hang for some reason`
`17:49.30`	`sorphin`	`i compared my technique to.. i think it was apcupsd`
`17:49.35`	`kergoth`	`ie. modem app, you want it to block on carrier`
`17:49.40`	`sorphin`	`nod`
`17:49.43`	`kergoth`	`after sending AT commands having opened in nonblock`
`17:49.47`	`kergoth`	`so just add O_NONBLOCK`
`17:49.51`	`kergoth`	`should be sufficient`
`17:50.17`	`sorphin`	`inferno must not do that`
`17:51.10`	`kergoth`	`right. so how it behaves depends on the serial port configuration prior to running it`
`17:51.14`	`kergoth`	`which is exactly the behavior you're seeing`
`17:51.20`	`kergoth`	`;)`
`17:51.31`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`17:51.47`	`kergoth`	`is the inferno source available?`
`17:51.53`	`kergoth`	`if not, create a wrapper`
`17:51.58`	`sorphin`	`i used to have to rename /dev/ttyS0 just to get infernoremote to boot ;) before i found the minicom tricks`
`17:52.00`	`kergoth`	`which sets parameters sanely, then calls inferno`
`17:52.01`	`sorphin`	`-s`
`17:52.08`	`kergoth`	`would be much easier than using minicom`
`17:52.14`	`sorphin`	`yeah`
`17:52.15`	`kergoth`	`just have a script set stty params prior to running it`
`17:52.38`	`sorphin`	`what i wonder then is why does apcupsd init ok`
`17:52.44`	`sorphin`	`when i init the same as it does`
`18:07.38`	`*** join/#elinux prpplague (~JoeBob1@12.148.134.9)`
`18:07.48`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: lo`
`18:08.20`	`prpplague`	`howdy`
`18:08.46`	`sorphin`	`ppr: hey you'll love this one`
`18:08.48`	`sorphin`	`grr`
`18:08.53`	`prpplague`	`yes?`
`18:09.05`	`sorphin`	`i was in worst buy last night, getting a cell for my mom`
`18:09.20`	`sorphin`	`there were these 2 young chicks in htere trying to get a phone too (well, one of em was)`
`18:09.44`	`sorphin`	`she got credit denied, and then tried the sprint $125 deposit thing, apparently couldn't get that either yet.. dunno..`
`18:09.51`	`sorphin`	`after she left, and we were all watching her go grin`
`18:09.52`	`sorphin`	`turns out`
`18:09.58`	`sorphin`	`guess where her place of employment is`
`18:10.23`	`prpplague`	`worldcom?`
`18:10.26`	`sorphin`	`no`
`18:10.28`	`sorphin`	`better`
`18:10.32`	`sieve`	`streakers?`
`18:10.37`	`prpplague`	`hooters?`
`18:10.40`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Mom Strippers?`
`18:10.43`	`sorphin`	`Diamond Cabaret`
`18:10.46`	`CosmicPenguin`	`s/Mom/Moms/`
`18:10.55`	`sorphin`	`she's only 18`
`18:10.58`	`sieve`	`oh yea.... who's your dady?`
`18:11.00`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: doh`
`18:11.01`	`sorphin`	`and works at diamons`
`18:11.05`	`sorphin`	`diamonds even`
`18:11.10`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: get them young, raise them right`
`18:11.14`	`sorphin`	`had a nice bod tho`
`18:11.19`	`sieve`	`nothing worng with that`
`18:11.22`	`sorphin`	`too bad in a few years she'll look like ass`
`18:11.37`	`CosmicPenguin`	`sorphin: if she was good looking, then she should have no problem coming up with the money for a cellphone`
`18:11.43`	`sorphin`	`hehe`
`18:11.49`	`prpplague`	`CosmicPenguin: good point`
`18:12.03`	`sieve`	`mmmmmmmmm jewls...`
`18:12.06`	`sorphin`	`CosmicPenguin: i think she had the $, just had to go to the bank this morning after work to put her check in :P`
`18:12.36`	`sieve`	`hehe what check? you mean $1 bills?`
`18:12.50`	`sorphin`	`if they deny your credit, it wouldn't matter if you have $ or not ;p`
`18:12.59`	`kergoth`	`yo prpplague`
`18:13.03`	`sorphin`	`sieve: ok, to get $ out, whatever`
`18:13.10`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Maybe in Saint Louis, they toss checks on the stage`
`18:13.23`	`sorphin`	`CosmicPenguin: go back to sleep jordan`
`18:13.27`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Pay to the order of: The smoking redhed`
`18:13.40`	`sorphin`	`she was a blond ;p`
`18:14.12`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Will the bank accept checks to stage names? If I got a check from "Summer Flowers" I would be suspicious`
`18:14.23`	`sorphin`	`anyways`
`18:15.10`	`prpplague`	`well the cats out of the bag`
`18:15.22`	`prpplague`	`i wonder if BZ is one of the ones that got to keep his job`
`18:15.48`	`sorphin`	`where's hte announce?`
`18:15.59`	`prpplague`	`http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3637903027.html`
`18:17.10`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: hmmm`
`18:17.13`	`sorphin`	`Metrowerks plans to retain a significant portion of the Embedix (Lineo) team, including key management,.....`
`18:17.22`	`sorphin`	`i'd say tim is key management, wouldn't you?`
`18:19.52`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: ya but signigicant portion would also mean not everyone`
`18:20.03`	`sorphin`	`true`
`18:20.14`	`sorphin`	`he hasn't appeared yet today, so dunno`
`18:20.51`	`prpplague`	`who was it that posted the url for the microcontroler project that used an old isa nic?`
`18:21.21`	`sorphin`	`i forget`
`18:23.41`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: i rememeber the one you mean tho`
`18:23.53`	`sorphin`	`twas in circuit cellar or some shit.`
`18:24.33`	`prpplague`	`ya thats it`
`18:25.17`	`CosmicPenguin`	`prpplague: TomW`
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`18:26.14`	`sorphin`	`CosmicPenguin: ya know, i dunno why that micro controller didn't click in yesterday.. i'm used to AT90C/AT90SCs.. heh`
`18:26.40`	`*** part/#elinux lbk11 (~dan@mail.recab.com)`
`18:28.22`	`prpplague`	`TomW: hey`
`18:28.28`	`TomW`	`:D`
`18:28.33`	`sorphin`	`TomW: he wants a url`
`18:28.47`	`prpplague`	`TomW: you got that url for the pic/isa nic project?`
`18:28.58`	`TomW`	`yeah, but I don't recall posting that URL.`
`18:29.18`	`prpplague`	`TomW: was very later one evening`
`18:29.27`	`prpplague`	`TomW: i thought i'd bookmarked it`
`18:29.35`	`TomW`	`What is it that he is trying to do via ISA?`
`18:29.53`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Hmmm.... It might have been MonMotha too`
`18:29.59`	`TomW`	`I have done some ISA stuff, long, long, time ago.`
`18:30.13`	`prpplague`	`TomW: i was just thinking that if an isa nic could be used with a pic, then it might be possible to use it with the sa-1110`
`18:30.18`	`CosmicPenguin`	`It was somebody who talks reguarly, it wasn't prpplague, sorphin or myself, and it was a hardware type`
`18:30.21`	`TomW`	`There is one / two gotcha's.`
`18:31.07`	`TomW`	`I don't see why not, the ISA bus is pretty simple, as long as you don't use DMA. The I/O decoding is not as readily apparent, but once you know.`
`18:31.22`	`TomW`	`Let me see if I still have the old orcad schematic...`
`18:36.37`	`prpplague`	`TomW: nm, found it`
`18:37.41`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: share :P`
`18:37.47`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: hang on`
`18:37.50`	`sorphin`	`since i apparently don't have it bookmarked either`
`18:38.29`	`prpplague`	`http://www.circuitcellar.com/library/ccofeature/lightner0799/index.asp`
`18:38.47`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: the last page seems to crash mozilla, but not netscape`
`18:39.04`	`sorphin`	`nod`
`18:40.15`	`prpplague`	`TomW: ya, it might be a nice project to include in the hack kit stuff`
`18:41.08`	`sorphin`	`ordering too`
`18:41.27`	`Russ\|werk`	`the sa11x0 pcmcia bus is basically an ISA bus`
`18:42.10`	`Russ\|werk`	`prpplague: it doesn't crash mozilla 1.2.1`
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`18:42.51`	`sorphin`	`that reminds me`
`18:42.53`	`prpplague`	`Russ\|werk: ya i'm on still on 1.1`
`18:43.02`	`Russ\|werk`	`not a debian sid user I take it`
`18:43.05`	`sorphin`	`i think i will try my isa-pcmcia adapter in the webpal when i get linux on it`
`18:43.46`	`prpplague`	`Russ\|werk: right thats what i was looking at, however, wasn't there still some timming issues for implementing a real isa bus that way?`
`18:44.08`	`Russ\|werk`	`prpplague: no, the CS8900A is an ISA chip`
`18:44.30`	`Russ\|werk`	`the SRAM bus might have timing issues for ISA`
`18:44.38`	`prpplague`	`Russ\|werk: ahh, i need to go back and look at the lart nic board again then`
`18:45.08`	`Russ\|werk`	`I built a similar nic board`
`18:45.16`	`sorphin`	`Russ\|werk: looked at the flash simm pinout on the link off the bigbrd site?`
`18:45.59`	`prpplague`	`Russ\|werk: then it probably wouldn't that difficult to make an isa interface for a nic with the sa-1110`
`18:46.05`	`Russ\|werk`	`no, I looked through google's cache yesterday, but didn't find it`
`18:46.16`	`Russ\|werk`	`prpplague: not difficult at all`
`18:46.39`	`Russ\|werk`	`prpplague: then again, I delt with 3.3V parts, with 5V parts, you'll need a buffer`
`18:46.39`	`prpplague`	`Russ\|werk: cool, but doing so would preclude the usage of a pcmcia or cf slot`
`18:46.41`	`sorphin`	`Russ\|werk: well, now that the site's back.. i've been digging`
`18:46.51`	`Russ\|werk`	`pcmcia == cf == ISA`
`18:47.11`	`prpplague`	`Russ\|werk: right but not all at the same time?`
`18:47.11`	`TomW`	`prpplague: yeah, the gotcha was that you had to qualify AEN with IO_RD & IO_WR, those signals went valid during a DMA operation so you had to use AEN also fully qualify the Address on the bus.`
`18:47.33`	`Russ\|werk`	`sorphin: my plan was to put in two 32 bit shift registers onto the parallel port, shift data and address in, shift data out`
`18:47.41`	`Russ\|werk`	`sorphin: very much like jtag`
`18:47.47`	`sorphin`	`yeah`
`18:47.51`	`Russ\|werk`	`prpplague: they are basically the same bus`
`18:48.05`	`sorphin`	`Russ\|werk: that would work seeing as we don't have a jtag of sorts :P`
`18:48.15`	`Russ\|werk`	`TomW: AEN == CS`
`18:48.21`	`TomW`	`correct`
`18:48.33`	`TomW`	`in a kind of sort of way`
`18:49.00`	`prpplague`	`has anyone done a wget on the site yet to make a backup?`
`18:49.12`	`TomW`	`Whew! I haven't thought of ISA interfacing in a loooooooooonnnnng time!`
`18:49.24`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: tom did`
`18:49.28`	`Russ\|werk`	`prpplague: just email the guy`
`18:49.41`	`prpplague`	`Russ\|werk: for the web site?`
`18:49.45`	`sorphin`	`tom leeched the site earlier`
`18:49.58`	`sorphin`	`and it's still up as of right now`
`18:50.06`	`Russ\|werk`	`prpplague: ya`
`18:50.10`	`prpplague`	`TomW: did he say you could mirror it?`
`18:50.24`	`TomW`	`prpplague: yes, I will put it on Openhardware.net`
`18:51.59`	`prpplague`	`Russ\|werk: i'm just trying to figure out some ways to use off-the-shelf stuff with the hack kit`
`18:52.25`	`prpplague`	`TomW: do you get CC?`
`19:06.03`	`TomW`	`http://www.openhardware.net/webpal.bigbrd.com/index.html`
`19:10.33`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Woo-hoo - ElcomSoft not guilty`
`19:10.39`	`CosmicPenguin`	`"Merely offering a product that could violate copyrights was not enough to warrant a conviction, the jury instructions said."`
`19:10.40`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Well put`
`19:11.08`	`TomW`	`REALLY?!! The Russians won?`
`19:11.33`	`TomW`	`prpplague: What is CC?`
`19:12.15`	`prpplague`	`CosmicPenguin: yeeeee dogieee thats great news!`
`19:12.22`	`prpplague`	`TomW: circuit Cellar`
`19:13.39`	`TomW`	`prpplague: nope`
`19:15.36`	`prpplague`	`man, now if johansen can win his case, i'll have a very merry christmas`
`19:17.25`	`TomW`	`fuck Adobe`
`19:17.29`	`CosmicPenguin`	`prpplague: well, it was kind of a victory - nobody actually got around to attacking the DMCA, they were just wrangling over semantics`
`19:17.47`	`TomW`	`true`
`19:18.07`	`prpplague`	`CosmicPenguin: agreed, but none the less, its one more nail in the coffin`
`19:18.16`	`TomW`	`no direct contest of the DMCA, just that they were not intentionally in violation of it, heh`
`19:18.20`	`prpplague`	`TomW: ya i'm the same way about adobe`
`19:18.51`	`CosmicPenguin`	`prpplague: actually, it probably removed a nail - sadly ElcomSoft admitted they "violated" the DMCA`
`19:19.47`	`TomW`	`something like the old PkZip vs Arc shit.`
`19:20.21`	`prpplague`	`CosmicPenguin: hmmm, i didn't read that`
`19:20.42`	`TomW`	`prpplague: oh, sorry, I forgot. You are too young to remember PkWare.`
`19:20.47`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`19:20.54`	`TomW`	`heh`
`19:20.58`	`prpplague`	`TomW: get real`
`19:21.00`	`sorphin`	`phil katz`
`19:21.01`	`sorphin`	`blech`
`19:21.30`	`sorphin`	`ya know, sometimes i wish google would be a bit more cooperative`
`19:21.37`	`prpplague`	`TomW: i was using pkzip and arc on my apple ][+`
`19:22.49`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: old geezer`
`19:22.56`	`TomW`	`heh`
`19:23.32`	`sorphin`	`TomW: c'mon UPS :P`
`19:23.48`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: don't need those, but i could use a nice polishing rage for my bald head`
`19:24.13`	`sorphin`	`rage ?`
`19:24.18`	`sorphin`	`:P`
`19:24.23`	`prpplague`	`rag`
`19:33.55`	`Russ\|werk`	`sorphin: where are you getting these pinouts`
`19:34.05`	`Russ\|werk`	`sorphin: I noticed we don't need to make a reprogrammer for it anyway`
`19:34.11`	`Russ\|werk`	`http://www.openhardware.net/webpal.bigbrd.com/bootstrap.html`
`19:34.13`	`sorphin`	`i know`
`19:34.17`	`sorphin`	`i saw that ealrier`
`19:34.19`	`sorphin`	`earlier`
`19:34.36`	`sorphin`	`Russ\|werk: i'm looking at pinouts to see if i can use any other simm`
`19:34.55`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: i couldn't find any matches last night`
`19:34.56`	`sorphin`	`as for the pinout of THIS flash simm, its on the link at the bottom of the main page`
`19:35.35`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: i did find several other so-dimm boards that probably would work`
`19:35.36`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: i can't find shit to tell me the pinout of the simms cisco uses, tho i suppose if i could same pin CHIPS`
`19:35.49`	`sorphin`	`i could replace the flash on the simm`
`19:35.55`	`sorphin`	`hmm`
`19:36.05`	`sorphin`	`144->72 pin?`
`19:36.28`	`Russ\|werk`	`sorphin: maybe put a doc millenium on there`
`19:36.33`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`19:36.40`	`sorphin`	`i have a DOC2k`
`19:36.45`	`sorphin`	`from my webserver pro`
`19:36.45`	`Russ\|werk`	`why laugh?`
`19:36.50`	`sorphin`	`umm`
`19:36.52`	`sorphin`	`laugh?`
`19:36.54`	`Russ\|werk`	`a millenium is a TTSOP`
`19:37.07`	`sorphin`	`'heh' is not a laugh to me`
`19:37.07`	`prpplague`	`Russ\|werk: i was looking at that too, but i think there would be a problem with the onboard firmware`
`19:37.11`	`sorphin`	`'hehe' is`
`19:37.43`	`prpplague`	`Russ\|werk: have you intergrated DOC before?`
`19:38.03`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: a DOC wires up alike an eeprom supposedly`
`19:38.07`	`CosmicPenguin`	`mmmmm....doc`
`19:39.03`	`Russ\|werk`	`no, but the code is there to write your own bios`
`19:39.05`	`Russ\|werk`	`grub`
`19:39.18`	`sorphin`	`yeah`
`19:39.19`	`Russ\|werk`	`since you'd have to recompile for ARM`
`19:39.26`	`sorphin`	`you can grub on DOC`
`19:40.12`	`sorphin`	`hmmm`
`19:40.17`	`Russ\|werk`	`you can't grub on arm`
`19:40.30`	`sorphin`	`i know`
`19:40.37`	`Russ\|werk`	`so you'd need to port the code written for grub to use the doc`
`19:41.04`	`sorphin`	`Russ\|werk: you think the tsop the flash uses is TSOP or reverse TSOP (looking at the amd spec sheet)`
`19:42.02`	`sorphin`	`hmmm, my flash program may be able to write to this thing`
`19:42.29`	`TomW`	`sorphin: they're heeeere!`
`19:42.37`	`Russ\|werk`	`they wouldn't have any reason to use reverse`
`19:42.37`	`sorphin`	`TomW: coo`
`19:42.41`	`sorphin`	`k`
`19:42.41`	`prpplague`	`i made an isa board for doc 2 years ago, wasn't too bad`
`19:43.01`	`sorphin`	`my WSP has the DOC socketed on hte MB`
`19:43.11`	`Russ\|werk`	`prpplague: you know that m-systems sells those boards...`
`19:43.16`	`Russ\|werk`	`prpplague: for cheap`
`19:43.36`	`Russ\|werk`	`sorphin: you could write it with gdb`
`19:44.10`	`sorphin`	`Russ\|werk: i use the flash's command set (well, on the other flash i've used)`
`19:44.32`	`prpplague`	`Russ\|werk: ya i know, but this was a special U shaped card since it was in a thinclient that didn't have enough space to use the isa slot`
`19:45.35`	`Russ\|werk`	`ah`
`19:48.08`	`prpplague`	`Russ\|werk: your stuff arive?`
`19:49.11`	`Russ\|werk`	`not yet, expecting it tomorrow`
`19:49.17`	`prpplague`	`ahh ok`
`19:49.25`	`Russ\|werk`	`one of the cards msys makes is taller than the metal isa clip`
`19:49.33`	`Russ\|werk`	`and can hold theree flash chips`
`19:49.39`	`Russ\|werk`	`the other is about 2 inches tall and holds one`
`19:50.52`	`TomW`	`hah! All else fails, then put an LM323 on the freaking board to get power, hah.`
`19:51.10`	`sorphin`	`TomW: eh?`
`19:51.41`	`TomW`	`the voltage regulator, no switching supply on this baby, series regulation only!`
`19:51.52`	`sorphin`	`umm`
`19:52.00`	`sorphin`	`that's cuz it uses a damn power brick :P`
`19:52.26`	`prpplague`	`TomW: your talking about the webpal right??`
`19:52.56`	`sorphin`	`dammit`
`19:53.01`	`sorphin`	`i don't want 32 pin tsop`
`19:53.17`	`sorphin`	`what i need is a fucking cross reference`
`19:53.25`	`TomW`	`prpplague: yeah`
`19:53.40`	`prpplague`	`TomW: yea i was looking at that yesterday`
`19:53.55`	`prpplague`	`TomW: didn't spend a whole lot of time on the PS did they?`
`19:54.00`	`sorphin`	`TomW: should be trivial to crack open the brick and put the internals in the box`
`19:54.33`	`TomW`	`prpplague: not a whole lot of time engineering the thing out really, lots of empty space inside that box!`
`19:54.41`	`prpplague`	`TomW: yep`
`19:54.59`	`prpplague`	`TomW: i hate it when ppl create one-time-usage boards`
`19:55.00`	`TomW`	`sorphin: wall warts get you past some nasty testing at U/L`
`19:55.11`	`sorphin`	`TomW: tis funny`
`19:55.15`	`sorphin`	`one of my dsl modems`
`19:55.20`	`sorphin`	`uses a 1 amp brick`
`19:55.26`	`sorphin`	`the other, has the psu internal`
`19:55.47`	`sorphin`	`uncovered, just like the tivo does`
`19:55.48`	`prpplague`	`TomW: ya but why not have used a 5vdc regulated ?`
`19:56.45`	`TomW`	`Hey! For $13 + shipping, if this thing runs, fine with me, something else to play with!`
`19:56.49`	`Russ\|werk`	`sorphin: bricks are very cheap because of how the assemble them, and where they order parts`
`19:57.02`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`19:57.17`	`sorphin`	`atleast some are trivial to transplant`
`19:57.24`	`sorphin`	`assuming you can crack the POS open`
`19:57.42`	`sorphin`	`1st time last night, i saw a nokia phone brick`
`19:57.45`	`sorphin`	`w/ a SCREW`
`19:58.01`	`sorphin`	`looked like you could just pop that out and there you go`
`19:58.37`	`sorphin`	`ya know, sometimes i hate priority mail`
`19:58.54`	`sorphin`	`even tho something make take 1 day 1st class, they MAKE it take 2 days priority`
`19:59.00`	`sorphin`	`you never get it in 1 day`
`19:59.09`	`sorphin`	`that is so annoying`
`19:59.17`	`sorphin`	`fedex, if it's early, it's early`
`19:59.24`	`sorphin`	`ups.. it's never early`
`19:59.32`	`TomW`	`Russ\|werk: you see the inside of this thing yet?`
`19:59.42`	`sorphin`	`TomW: how can he?`
`19:59.45`	`sorphin`	`he hasn't gotten his yet`
`19:59.58`	`sorphin`	`he said that already ;)`
`20:00.36`	`Russ\|werk`	`TomW: ya`
`20:00.52`	`TomW`	`Russ\|werk: It looks at if you could get abt 2-2.5 Amps out of that LM323, heatsink area is a bit lacking. They used a tiny fin-sink + PCB area.`
`20:01.48`	`TomW`	`sorphin: what is J9? Floppy?`
`20:05.28`	`TomW`	`Well, batteries are corroded, that hit the trash. Man! The give you what, 20-30 feet of phone cable, plus a TelCo line splitter. Lots of stuff in that box.`
`20:07.17`	`TomW`	`Russ\|werk: the "wall wart" is the in-line xformer type (line cord + xfrmr + plug) rated 8VAC @ 2Amps`
`20:07.54`	`TomW`	`here goes, put the power plug in, attach SVGA LCD monitor....`
`20:08.17`	`Russ\|werk`	`TomW: I attempted to open the batteries that came with my keyboard with my teeth`
`20:08.27`	`Russ\|werk`	`quickly discovered they were corroded`
`20:08.44`	`sorphin`	`ROTFL`
`20:09.09`	`sorphin`	`TomW: yeah, the smaller header is floppy`
`20:09.33`	`TomW`	`heh, "Earthlink Setup",`
`20:09.45`	`TomW`	`"Manual setup", and "Help"`
`20:12.37`	`TomW`	`Ooohhh! The logitech mouse works.`
`20:12.44`	`TomW`	`cute`
`20:15.52`	`sorphin`	`TomW: ain't you got this thing schematic'd yet? :P`
`20:16.06`	`TomW`	`phffft!`
`20:16.24`	`sorphin`	`:)`
`20:16.29`	`TomW`	`still playing... Not much to the software at all, is there?`
`20:16.41`	`sorphin`	`umm`
`20:16.47`	`sorphin`	`in 1M flash? :P`
`20:17.57`	`prpplague`	`Russ\|werk: ha, don't worry the acid makes your teeth white`
`20:19.55`	`TomW`	`you know, you have enough room to put a 3inch IDE drive inside that case! LOL!`
`20:20.30`	`TomW`	`never mind a notebook drive, just a off-the shelf unit might work, heh.`
`20:20.31`	`sorphin`	`TomW: i wouldn't tho`
`20:20.47`	`TomW`	`sorphin: stress test the voltage regulator?`
`20:20.54`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`20:21.01`	`sorphin`	`just general space principle`
`20:23.26`	`file[laptop]`	`my boss is buying me a Webpal ;)`
`20:23.37`	`file[laptop]`	`since I got some confidential material from former Cybiko employees`
`20:26.27`	`TomW`	`sorphin: hey! the keyboard looks like the same company that made the Shannon keyboard made this one. Different color (black) and some legends are different, but...`
`20:26.38`	`sorphin`	`yup`
`20:27.04`	`Russ\|werk`	`TomW: you would need 12V`
`20:27.18`	`Russ\|werk`	`TomW: ya, fairly certain its the same thing`
`20:27.21`	`*** join/#elinux Morn (~julie@ultrasparc.ipv6.magenet.com)`
`20:38.13`	`file[laptop]`	`nevermind, I got an I-Opener done`
`20:38.15`	`file[laptop]`	`er instead`
`20:40.11`	`CosmicPenguin`	`TomW: its different`
`20:40.49`	`prpplague`	`kergoth: board just arrived`
`20:40.59`	`*** mode/#eLinux [+o prpplague] by ChanServ`
`20:41.01`	`CosmicPenguin`	`TomW: Its a Segin`
`20:41.15`	`file[laptop]`	`Russ\|werk: it was source code to their MP3 Player, USB drivers, SD/MMC reading code`
`20:41.23`	`kergoth`	`prpplague: cool`
`20:44.11`	`*** join/#elinux BZFlag (~timr@gk2-ext.lineo.com)`
`20:44.40`	`*** mode/#eLinux [+o BZFlag] by ChanServ`
`20:44.43`	`sorphin`	`BZFlag: so what's the good/bad word ?`
`20:45.04`	`kergoth`	`BZFlag: hey tim`
`20:45.08`	`sorphin`	`judging by your domain`
`20:45.08`	`kergoth`	`yeah, whats the scoop?`
`20:45.19`	`sorphin`	`looks like atleast today you're still there`
`20:50.39`	`prpplague`	`kergoth: is your board and actual netsilicon net+50 dev board? or is it something made by digi?`
`20:50.48`	`prpplague`	`BZFlag: whats the story?`
`20:50.55`	`kergoth`	`prpplague: 'digi connect'`
`20:51.03`	`kergoth`	`prpplague: you?`
`20:52.08`	`prpplague`	`kergoth: mine appears to be a netsilicon dev board`
`20:52.33`	`kergoth`	`prpplague: ah. figured out what bootloader we'll need for this thing?`
`20:52.58`	`prpplague`	`kergoth: nothing sold, just been doing some reading`
`20:53.19`	`prpplague`	`kergoth: we might be able to chain boot similiar to what i've done with blob before`
`20:53.20`	`TomW`	`Russ\|werk: for all the good that that lousy heatsink does for the LM323, IMO, the LM323 would be better off mounted to the Aluminum shields. Much larger heatsink area.`
`20:53.38`	`kergoth`	`prpplague: was thinking that as well. /me shrugs. doesnt matter much`
`20:53.40`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`20:53.44`	`prpplague`	`kergoth: you think i need to call deb and have her send me a digi connect board instead`
`20:54.29`	`prpplague`	`kergoth: no sure that having different board might slow us down...`
`20:54.49`	`kergoth`	`prpplague: indeed. wonder whats different in the digi connect board..`
`20:55.10`	`kergoth`	`prpplague: do you know what'll be in the printserver itself w/ regard to a board?`
`20:55.10`	`BZFlag`	`sorphin: at least it's public now. my situation is unresolved as of now. could be a couple more days.`
`20:55.21`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: "it has that digi goodness"? smirk`
`20:55.32`	`sorphin`	`BZFlag: ah..`
`20:55.37`	`prpplague`	`kergoth: its suppose to be based on the digi connect board`
`20:55.39`	`sorphin`	`BZFlag: well, you know we all wish good luck`
`20:55.47`	`kergoth`	`prpplague: ah`
`20:55.48`	`BZFlag`	`http://www.metrowerks.com/MW/Develop/Embedded/Emb_Linux/Strategy.htm`
`20:55.52`	`prpplague`	`BZFlag: good luck`
`20:56.26`	`prpplague`	`kergoth: i'll see if the docs have a pic of the board`
`20:56.55`	`Russ\|werk`	`file[laptop]: I assume the USB is on a different board`
`20:57.12`	`BZFlag`	`What Metrowerks is Acquiring - # All key talent from Embedix Inc.: management, engineering, marketing, sales ... oh really?`
`20:57.30`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`20:57.32`	`kergoth`	`define 'key talent'`
`20:57.47`	`sorphin`	`BZFlagNotCTO: yeah, i saw similar in the linuxdevices article`
`20:58.26`	`sorphin`	`but that's my opinion atleast`
`21:03.47`	`kergoth`	`BZFlagNotCTO: sorry to hear that.`
`21:04.06`	`sorphin`	`grrr`
`21:04.13`	`kergoth`	`sorphin: ?`
`21:04.33`	`sorphin`	`stupid fscking BT and the stupid owner of where fysh.org was colo'd`
`21:04.46`	`sorphin`	`so now fysh.org is down for unforseeable`
`21:04.48`	`Russ\|werk`	`sorphin: you need a new colo?`
`21:04.54`	`sorphin`	`and i have tons of shit using my account there`
`21:05.17`	`sorphin`	`they prolly will, but it's not my box and it's in england`
`21:05.35`	`sorphin`	`so now i switch everything over to my domain that i had going to dans@fysh.org`
`21:06.17`	`kergoth`	`BZFlagNotCTO: any chance to build the sd Zaurus module against 2.4.19-rmk4 sources? ;)`
`21:06.23`	`sorphin`	`MFSOB`
`21:06.30`	`sorphin`	`and now phoenix crashes`
`21:06.32`	`sorphin`	`grr`
`21:06.35`	`BZFlagNotCTO`	`sure! you have ir working now?`
`21:06.38`	`BZFlagNotCTO`	`er it...`
`21:06.46`	`MonMotha`	`sorphin: don't worry, mozilla is segfaulting on me about once very 30 seconds`
`21:07.08`	`sorphin`	`kergoth: my zaurus should be here tomorrow hopefully, if not thursday (hopefully tomorrow)`
`21:07.12`	`MonMotha`	`and I of course lack debugging in my moz build`
`21:07.16`	`Russ\|werk`	`sorphin: which mozilla?`
`21:07.37`	`kergoth`	`BZFlagNotCTO: only very very basic functionality atm, but the kernel ABI shouldnt change enough to b0rk the binary sd module`
`21:07.46`	`sorphin`	`Russ\|werk: it's the newest phoenix, so...`
`21:07.52`	`kergoth`	`BZFlagNotCTO: mtd stuff is working, rewriting the keyboard driver as we speak`
`21:08.01`	`kergoth`	`BZFlagNotCTO: that keyboard driver in that lineo patch was .. horrid`
`21:08.27`	`Russ\|werk`	`kergoth: you can use the input layer and then use the glue driver I wrote`
`21:08.37`	`prpplague`	`kergoth: are don't suppose your working in support for serial keyboard?`
`21:09.26`	`Russ\|werk`	`prpplague: it would not be difficult, the shannon keyboad is essentially a serial keyboard`
`21:09.37`	`kergoth`	`Russ\|werk: holger schurig just sent me his input layer driver, which should help, just need to alter it. does your hardware use a keyboard matrix, or does your keyboard use a serial interface?`
`21:10.14`	`Russ\|werk`	`kergoth: I just get codes from the serial port`
`21:10.41`	`Russ\|werk`	`kergoth: but it passes them off to the input layer instead of dealing with the keyboard/console stuff`
`21:10.44`	`kergoth`	`Russ\|werk: I'll just adapt schurig's, i have a matrix to deal with, directly check key status`
`21:10.51`	`kergoth`	`Russ\|werk: (its input layer as well)`
`21:10.51`	`Russ\|werk`	`and then input_keyb.c provides glue`
`21:10.56`	`kergoth`	`Russ\|werk: i love the input layer`
`21:11.03`	`kergoth`	`Russ\|werk: could you email me it though? i'd love to take a look`
`21:11.06`	`Russ\|werk`	`2.6 will drop the keyboard/console stuff supposively`
`21:11.12`	`Russ\|werk`	`kergoth: its in the -tux patches`
`21:11.27`	`sorphin`	`Russ\|werk: eh ?`
`21:11.29`	`kergoth`	`Russ\|werk: ah`
`21:11.31`	`Russ\|werk`	`kergoth: don't look at the interrupt code though, I'm fairly certain its broken`
`21:11.36`	`kergoth`	`Russ\|werk: k`
`21:12.29`	`BZFlagNotCTO`	`Russ\|werk: you saw the race patch on the mailing list? you going to add it to a new tux kernel patch?`
`21:12.48`	`kergoth`	`Russ\|werk: re: 2.6 dropping keyboard/console bits, good riddance, i've always hated the way its handled`
`21:13.08`	`sorphin`	`kergoth: umm.... then how the hell...`
`21:13.11`	`Russ\|werk`	`BZFlagNotCTO: ya, I was going to wait til 2.4.20-rmk1 to merge again, but it looks like thats not coming till mid january`
`21:13.23`	`Russ\|werk`	`sorphin: input layer`
`21:13.35`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`21:13.41`	`sorphin`	`ya know`
`21:13.50`	`sorphin`	`the more i see of 2.6 code/ideas`
`21:13.56`	`sorphin`	`the more i think i won't update to it`
`21:14.00`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`21:14.08`	`kergoth`	`you think the input layer is a bad thing?`
`21:14.20`	`kergoth`	`~fishslap sorphin`
`21:14.27`		`ACTION slaps sorphin up side the head with a wet fish.`
`21:14.27`	`sorphin`	`just saw a feature strip mentioned on /. very recently`
`21:14.46`	`MonMotha`	`ibot lagometer`
`21:14.48`		`MonMotha: wish i knew`
`21:14.48`	`sorphin`	`kergoth: umm.. im' trying to understand why it's necessary to change`
`21:14.54`	`MonMotha`	`ibot ping?`
`21:14.56`		`pong`
`21:15.10`	`sorphin`	`ibot: ping monmotha`
`21:15.12`		`i haven't a clue, sorphin`
`21:15.15`	`sorphin`	`bah`
`21:15.32`	`kergoth`	`sorphin: because there has never been a standard means of handling input. there are an assload of independent implementations`
`21:16.06`	`sorphin`	`kergoth: well.... as long as it's not as shoddy as the damn ide code`
`21:20.45`	`TomW`	`hey! The WebPal does have sound!`
`21:20.56`	`sorphin`	`yeah`
`21:20.57`	`sorphin`	`it does`
`21:21.03`	`sorphin`	`just no linux support for it`
`21:21.22`	`TomW`	`The on-screen video of the TV looks kind of ragged though.`
`21:22.14`	`TomW`	`I almost feel that I am looking at something from an Apple ][, but Apple had better video. :-/`
`21:22.22`	`sorphin`	`hmm`
`21:22.30`	`sorphin`	`jordan said his was crisp`
`21:22.55`	`TomW`	`Let me try another unit, this is the one I took the covers off of.`
`21:25.17`	`CosmicPenguin`	`TomW: considering you're talking 640x480 on a NTSC, it shouldn't be too bad`
`21:25.47`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Not exactly XBox or PS2 quality, but there are lots more electronics in play on the dedicated TV consoles`
`21:25.48`	`sorphin`	`CosmicPenguin: you'd be surprised how some of these STBs are`
`21:26.02`	`CosmicPenguin`	`sorphin: no I wouldn't - I'm in the biz... :)`
`21:26.05`	`sorphin`	`my WSP has eh.. rca out`
`21:30.22`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`21:30.28`	`sorphin`	`AOL Awarded Millions in Spam Case`
`21:30.43`	`sorphin`	`they should be paying us millions for having to put up w/ all their fucking commercials ;p`
`21:31.34`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: class action suit for "Mental anguish"`
`21:31.42`	`sorphin`	`indeed`
`21:32.38`	`prpplague`	`i'll just be glad with the stupid christmas jewerly and lexus commercials go away`
`21:32.58`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: you don't want a lexus w/ a bow on it? ;)`
`21:33.06`	`sorphin`	`oh wait, that's right`
`21:33.14`	`sorphin`	`you want a STRIPPER named lexus w/ a bow on her`
`21:34.00`	`prpplague`	`ohh ya baby`
`21:35.03`	`sorphin`	`hehe`
`21:35.42`	`Lethal`	`that sounds vaguely more appealing then relabelled toyota propoganda :P`
`21:35.48`	`TomW`	`CosmicPenguin: yeah, I wouldn't call it "crisp" though. It does look good with an LCD monitor (VGA) connected to it, the TV image is a bit disappointing.`
`21:36.18`	`sorphin`	`TomW: i'll hook mine up tonight`
`21:36.30`	`sorphin`	`depends on the qual of your tv too i suppose ;)`
`21:36.41`	`sorphin`	`and comparing vga to a tv is apples+oranges`
`21:42.15`	`TomW`	`agreed.`
`21:43.28`	`TomW`	`One nice thing is how easily it integrates into my current setup. I hooked the output of the WebPal into the Line inputs of the VCR, so now all I have to do is hit the Line selection of the VCR and I switch over to the WebPal.`
`21:44.03`	`TomW`	`There are some interesting possibilities here for this thing. Can anyone say pr0n?`
`21:44.07`	`TomW`	`heh`
`21:44.35`	`sorphin`	`umm`
`21:44.42`	`sorphin`	`prpplague can`
`21:50.10`	`CosmicPenguin`	`TomW: I like having the remote with the "mouse" on it - those bad boys are hard to find these days`
`21:50.39`	`TomW`	`CosmicPenguin: yeah, that mouse is certainly easy to use, isn't it?`
`21:51.59`	`sorphin`	`good god`
`21:52.15`	`sorphin`	`salary range`
`21:52.26`	`sorphin`	`66,229-101,742`
`21:52.35`	`sorphin`	`and 92,060-119,682`
`21:52.47`	`CosmicPenguin`	`mmmm.... sign me up!`
`21:52.52`	`sorphin`	`ok, i think i'll go work for the DOE ;)`
`21:52.54`	`kergoth`	`DOE? ah, department of energy?`
`21:52.58`	`sorphin`	`yup`
`21:53.11`	`CosmicPenguin`	`TomW: we wanted one of those remotes for our STB and we couldn't find any`
`21:53.31`	`sorphin`	`CosmicPenguin: well, these things are from 1997 ;)`
`21:55.45`	`Russ\|werk`	`TomW: I looked at the kernel patch, and it looked like it had stuff to integrate with other devices (like VCR's)`
`21:55.58`	`Russ\|werk`	`TomW: so maybe you could have it display callerid info or something`
`21:56.06`	`Russ\|werk`	`I don't know where that port is though`
`21:56.11`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Lets get pixilated!`
`22:01.07`	`sorphin`	`CosmicPenguin: yeah yeah yeah, we'll believe it when we see it ;p`
`22:07.36`	`TomW`	`I wonder, the 3C509 ISA cards that I have here do not have any fingers on the ISA pins for the DMA stuff...`
`22:07.47`	`sorphin`	`ok..`
`22:08.18`	`MonMotha`	`IIRC the 3c509 was one of the first cards made to work in the tivo`
`22:08.28`	`sorphin`	`no`
`22:08.30`	`sorphin`	`it wasn't`
`22:08.40`	`MonMotha`	`would suggest that it possibly lacks such "advanced" features`
`22:08.41`	`MonMotha`	`really?`
`22:08.47`	`sorphin`	`generic ne2k was`
`22:08.50`	`MonMotha`	`really...`
`22:09.04`	`MonMotha`	`I seem to remember reading something about ne2ks not working right due to some obscure thing`
`22:09.12`	`MonMotha`	`but then I don't hack tivoos`
`22:09.15`	`TomW`	`If you pull the 93C46 EEPROM off of most ethernet controller chips, they default to 0x300 and their primary IRQ line. The also lose their MAC number, but that can be stuffed into it by the ARM processor.`
`22:09.34`	`TomW`	`Right, ne2k's need DMA, IIRC.`
`22:09.45`	`Russ\|werk`	`TomW: you could also put it into a dos machine and reprogram it`
`22:09.59`	`TomW`	`The 3C509 is _not_ what you could call an NE2000 card.`
`22:10.14`	`TomW`	`Russ\|werk: Ok, you got any of those machines handy?`
`22:10.25`	`Russ\|werk`	`TomW: yes`
`22:10.26`	`TomW`	`All my stuff is PCI.`
`22:10.40`	`TomW`	`Nothing around here is ISA anymore.`
`22:10.57`	`*** join/#elinux file (~lan@mctn1-3374.nb.aliant.net)`
`22:11.13`	`Russ\|werk`	`you don't have any isa boards left over`
`22:11.21`	`sorphin`	`no`
`22:11.22`	`sorphin`	`they don't`
`22:11.29`	`file`	`ahhhh my new mouse and PCI USB card got sent out a bit ago`
`22:11.36`	`TomW`	`I also have a RT8019 ISA card.`
`22:11.53`	`sorphin`	`using Eagle Ne2k cards`
`22:11.59`	`sorphin`	`no dma`
`22:12.05`	`TomW`	`lotta crap boards in that box...`
`22:12.06`	`sorphin`	`works just fine`
`22:13.25`	`TomW`	`The IOBASE of the 3C509 cards should be similar to that of the current Modem cards. Just that instead of being IOBASE+0x3f8, it would be IOBASE+0x300.`
`22:13.45`	`sorphin`	`TomW: so i dunno hwere you came up w/ that :P`
`22:13.56`	`TomW`	`why`
`22:14.07`	`MonMotha`	`I've got a box of random boards...I should look through them some time :)`
`22:14.14`	`sorphin`	`andrew's original tivonet board he adapted the ne2k driver FOR the tivo :P`
`22:14.15`	`MonMotha`	`mostly ethernet cards and videoc ards`
`22:14.21`	`sorphin`	`so :P`
`22:15.05`	`TomW`	`I don't have an NE2000 cards, I never bothered with them. Only 3COM & RealTek stuff here, with the odd Nat Semi card.`
`22:15.12`	`sorphin`	`well`
`22:15.20`	`sorphin`	`i got these eagle cards`
`22:15.22`	`sorphin`	`5 for $5 on ebay :P`
`22:15.32`	`TomW`	`sorphin: ISA?`
`22:15.34`	`sorphin`	`yes`
`22:15.37`	`TomW`	`k`
`22:15.59`	`sorphin`	`now ne2kpci, might be another story`
`22:16.01`	`file`	`ISA of course`
`22:16.02`	`TomW`	`You do that then, I have these 3Com cards here by the handfull.`
`22:16.09`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`22:16.13`	`sorphin`	`i have some 3com cards`
`22:16.17`	`TomW`	`yup`
`22:16.18`	`sorphin`	`they all sucked ass`
`22:16.23`	`TomW`	`heh`
`22:16.30`	`sorphin`	`fscking useless Etherlink XLs`
`22:16.36`	`prpplague`	`TomW: my vendor still has new isa ne2k pretty cheap`
`22:16.53`	`kergoth`	`i have 3c509s laying all over my closet. i should really clean`
`22:16.58`	`sorphin`	`unfortunately i only have 1 eagle left :(`
`22:17.03`	`TomW`	`let me say this then: UPS is a much better company than FedEx, UPS delivers stuff, FedEx loses stuff.`
`22:17.12`	`sorphin`	`since i accidentally trashed one`
`22:17.30`	`sorphin`	`TomW: maybe fedex just doesn't like you`
`22:17.52`	`prpplague`	`TomW: both are better than USPS`
`22:18.00`	`TomW`	`sorphin: umm, what was it that you were saying about those 3com cards?`
`22:18.14`	`sorphin`	`TomW: i have 4 diff etherlink XL cards`
`22:18.19`	`sorphin`	`all 4 SUCKED`
`22:18.34`	`sorphin`	`kergoth: um... you like in MN`
`22:18.44`	`sorphin`	`you expect things to be right up there? :P`
`22:18.50`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`22:18.55`	`TomW`	`I have Etherlink III cards, seemed okay when I was using them.`
`22:18.56`	`sorphin`	`then got the fuck out`
`22:19.05`	`sorphin`	`TomW: these.... didn't`
`22:19.12`	`kergoth`	`i'd get the fuck out if i had someplace to go or a job somewhere`
`22:19.20`	`kergoth`	`otherwise i'll stay here with my townhouse and shitty digi job`
`22:19.24`	`prpplague`	`kergoth: pimp?`
`22:19.28`	`file`	`I hate this 3Com card`
`22:19.29`	`prpplague`	`kergoth: get you so ho's`
`22:19.31`	`TomW`	`LOL`
`22:19.33`	`file`	`it refuses to work for me`
`22:19.35`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: offering him a job at the nudiebar?`
`22:19.37`	`file`	`in two computers, it just won't work`
`22:19.52`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: sure, he can be the oil boy`
`22:19.57`	`sorphin`	`rotfl`
`22:20.03`	`kergoth`	`lol`
`22:20.23`	`sorphin`	`you mean he's the guy that reclaims all the used oil after oil wrestling?`
`22:20.27`	`sorphin`	`:P`
`22:20.30`	`prpplague`	`kergoth: not much pay, but lots of benefits`
`22:21.34`	`prpplague`	`kergoth: lol, ya well at least you get some sex, after you get screwed on a regular basis by digi, lol`
`22:21.44`	`prpplague`	`kergoth: jk`
`22:21.47`	`kergoth`	`i dont count bending over for digi`
`22:21.50`	`kergoth`	`:P`
`22:21.52`	`TomW`	`HAH! I just noticed something! The part numbers on the WebPal boards: PWD-xxxx , It stands for "Printed Wire Board"!`
`22:22.01`	`kergoth`	`hah`
`22:22.03`	`sorphin`	`cute`
`22:22.04`	`TomW`	`Man! I haven't heard that term in years!`
`22:22.17`	`sorphin`	`TomW: the flash simm says htat too`
`22:22.26`	`TomW`	`yup`
`22:22.34`	`sorphin`	`s/PWD/PWB/ ;)`
`22:22.56`	`sorphin`	`TomW: think it'd be worth trying to find a couple amd chips to put w/ those ?`
`22:22.58`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: ya i notice that last night while i was searching for other flash boards`
`22:23.14`	`TomW`	`I did ATE back in the '70s, some companies did call them that back then.`
`22:23.35`	`sorphin`	`TomW: back in the 70s, i was being conceived/born :P`
`22:23.45`	`TomW`	`sorphin: naw, you are better off with the CF or IDE solution.`
`22:24.05`	`TomW`	`sorphin: at least they give you the IDE interface, makes it a lot easier.`
`22:24.13`	`sorphin`	`once you pull up that pin`
`22:24.24`	`sorphin`	`i'm not even gonna ponder how they figured out that one`
`22:24.27`	`kergoth`	`70s? i wasnt even a glimmer in my dads eye`
`22:24.34`	`TomW`	`sorphin: plus, we have used that kind of technique on the Tux (look at the latest linux.rc)`
`22:24.40`	`sorphin`	`kergoth: how old ARE you chris? :P`
`22:24.45`	`kergoth`	`sorphin: 22`
`22:24.49`	`TomW`	`kergoth: hey, squirt!`
`22:24.51`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`22:24.54`	`sorphin`	`kergoth: youngin`
`22:24.57`	`prpplague`	`kergoth: wipersnapper`
`22:25.02`	`sorphin`	`man`
`22:25.03`	`kergoth`	`hah, doh`
`22:25.10`	`TomW`	`heh`
`22:25.12`	`kergoth`	`~lart old people`
`22:25.14`	`kergoth`	`:P`
`22:25.14`	`sorphin`	`the only people in here younger than kergoth`
`22:25.21`	`sorphin`	`is file`
`22:25.25`	`sorphin`	`i think`
`22:25.29`	`sorphin`	`unless scanline is too`
`22:25.45`	`TomW`	`naw, not sure abt Micah`
`22:25.50`	`file`	`Micah is older than me`
`22:26.01`	`kergoth`	`file: how old tho?`
`22:26.06`	`sorphin`	`file is 16`
`22:26.08`	`TomW`	`yeah, I suspect in his 20's, not much more though.`
`22:26.09`	`file`	`2 years I think`
`22:26.18`	`sorphin`	`oh, you meant micah`
`22:26.26`	`TomW`	`sorphin: right`
`22:26.43`	`sorphin`	`ok`
`22:26.47`	`sorphin`	`so who's the OLDEST ?`
`22:27.07`	`sorphin`	`TomW: sounds like you so far ;)`
`22:27.58`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: isn't you`
`22:28.12`	`sorphin`	`anyone know how ancient erik is?`
`22:28.28`	`TomW`	`sorphin: yeah, 49 here.`
`22:28.32`	`sorphin`	`yup`
`22:28.36`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: don't you andersee_sleep is a ent`
`22:28.52`	`prpplague`	`argh, my brain is leaving stuff out today`
`22:28.55`	`sorphin`	`TomW: you'd be the winner`
`22:29.00`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: don't you know andersee_sleep is an ent`
`22:29.04`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: wanna try htat in NON-pos speak`
`22:29.16`	`sorphin`	`an ent ?`
`22:29.20`	`sorphin`	`entity?`
`22:29.31`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: nm, from LotR`
`22:29.35`	`sorphin`	`oh`
`22:29.43`	`prpplague`	`who is the FPGA guru here`
`22:29.47`	`sorphin`	`read the books, the movies didn't catch my interest`
`22:29.55`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: depends.. what about em?`
`22:30.48`	`prpplague`	`just thinking about providing a project using one with the hack kit`
`22:30.56`	`sorphin`	`ah`
`22:31.03`	`sorphin`	`well, they're very versatile`
`22:31.42`	`sorphin`	`tis funny cuz some of tivo's driver shit mentions FPGA, even tho they're not using one (but tested on one)`
`22:32.58`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: http://www.mrc.uidaho.edu/fpga/fpga.html magically appeared in my browser`
`22:32.59`	`scanline`	`sorphin: I'm 18`
`22:33.20`	`sorphin`	`scanline: ok, so younger than the rest of us but older than that canuck`
`22:33.23`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: ya i already had that one`
`22:33.42`	`sorphin`	`ah`
`22:33.43`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: i'm manly looking for suggestions a nice chip to use with arm`
`22:34.39`	`sorphin`	`ah`
`22:34.46`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: a leg ?`
`22:35.09`	`sorphin`	`a potato chip for the arm to hold? i dunno any specific chips to be honest`
`22:35.15`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: middle finger?`
`22:35.22`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: now now`
`22:35.27`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: jk`
`22:35.31`	`sorphin`	`my name isn't file`
`22:35.33`	`TomW`	`Who is "SMC"?`
`22:35.36`	`sorphin`	`you don't need to address me that way`
`22:35.45`	`sorphin`	`TomW: ummm`
`22:35.54`	`TomW`	`the whole name`
`22:36.38`	`sorphin`	`dman i used to know this`
`22:38.08`	`prpplague`	`standard micro systems`
`22:38.12`	`sorphin`	`thats it`
`22:38.24`	`sorphin`	`erm`
`22:38.26`	`TomW`	`thanks!`
`22:38.29`	`sorphin`	`not systems tho :P`
`22:38.40`	`sorphin`	`C != Systems :P`
`22:39.02`	`TomW`	`doh, smc.com`
`22:39.05`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: its now SMSD it was Standard Microsystem Corp.`
`22:39.27`	`sorphin`	`yup`
`22:39.32`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: try smsc.com`
`22:40.21`	`prpplague`	`TomW: that what you are looking for?`
`22:40.36`	`sorphin`	`i thikn he might mean the SMC networks`
`22:40.50`	`TomW`	`AHHH! It is SMSC that makes the chip: FDC37C665`
`22:40.58`	`sorphin`	`yeah`
`22:41.12`	`sorphin`	`just name collisions is all`
`22:43.21`	`TomW`	`sorphin: right, then they went to SMSC (Standard Micro Systems Corp)`
`22:43.33`	`sorphin`	`yup`
`22:45.05`	`sorphin`	`i can't use it till thursday`
`22:45.08`	`sorphin`	`night`
`23:03.24`	`prpplague`	`did anyone look up the specs on that atmel chip?`
`23:05.11`	`CosmicPenguin`	`prpplague: yeah, last night`
`23:05.15`	`file`	`prpplague: I got the USB code for the Cybiko, CyOS and Win32 side`
`23:05.27`	`CosmicPenguin`	`prpplague: just a microcontroller - I would assume that it controls the analog stuff`
`23:06.07`	`prpplague`	`CosmicPenguin: ya it looks like the smart card stuff is connected to it`
`23:07.02`	`prpplague`	`CosmicPenguin: i`
`23:07.32`	`prpplague`	`CosmicPenguin: i'm wondering if its connected to the 8 line gpio or on isa bus`
`23:08.17`	`CosmicPenguin`	`prpplague: according to the web site, it appears to be connected to the 2nd serial port`
`23:08.30`	`CosmicPenguin`	`prpplague: apparently multiplexed with the same post that we will end up using`
`23:08.48`	`prpplague`	`CosmicPenguin: where did you read that? on the bird sight?`
`23:14.30`	`CosmicPenguin`	`prpplague: yeah`
`23:38.47`	`prpplague`	`CosmicPenguin: what about the cpu pins outs? any found that?`
`23:44.16`	`prpplague`	`found the spec sheet, but they don't seem to be using descriptors i'm familiar with`
`23:45.18`	`CosmicPenguin`	`prpplague: nope`
`23:49.39`	`prpplague`	`hmm, looks like the 8 gpio lines are connected to the video controler`
`23:52.10`	`prpplague`	`the onboard atod is not even being used, the pins are tied to groud`
`23:53.59`	`CosmicPenguin`	`prpplague: interesting`
`23:54.23`	`CosmicPenguin`	`prpplague: I would say that the video controller needs some real hack work - the CPU isn't really designed for that kind of stuff`
`23:54.25`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Unlike the Geode... :)`
`23:54.50`	`prpplague`	`CosmicPenguin: ya well, i'll probably try yanking the control off`
`23:55.11`	`CosmicPenguin`	`prpplague: you don't want the video?`
`23:55.55`	`prpplague`	`CosmicPenguin: lcd`
`23:56.16`	`prpplague`	`CosmicPenguin: fpa coprocessor?`
`23:56.27`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`23:56.48`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: i didn't know arm core shipped with fpa`
`23:57.27`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: learn something new every day? ;)`
`23:57.41`	`sorphin`	`btw.. that atmel is strictly for the smartcard, nothing else`
`23:57.55`	`sorphin`	`hence why it's an AT90C (usually used a 90C or 90SC)`
`23:57.58`	`CosmicPenguin`	`prpplague: the arm core has a FPA? Thats not right - its not an add on chip?`
`23:58.51`	`prpplague`	`CosmicPenguin: not acording to the docs`
`23:59.01`	`prpplague`	`CosmicPenguin: as i read it, its on the silicon`
`23:59.38`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: its doesn't run the ir?`

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