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| 00:55.50 | cpenguin_home | woo-hoo! |
| 00:56.01 | cpenguin_home | The webpal has landed |
| 01:00.48 | sorphin | cool |
| 01:00.56 | sorphin | pop it open and camera it ;) |
| 01:02.44 | cpenguin_home | alright |
| 01:02.59 | cpenguin_home | I've got a flash dimm and a regular dimm |
| 01:03.13 | file | Survivor?!?!?! I thought that got cancelled |
| 01:03.21 | sorphin | cpenguin_home: film? |
| 01:03.24 | sorphin | no digital camera? |
| 01:03.26 | cpenguin_home | the 665 processsor - so that means I have to lift the pin |
| 01:03.29 | cpenguin_home | sorphin: no, I hate em |
| 01:03.33 | sorphin | ugh |
| 01:03.38 | sorphin | ok, no pics from you then |
| 01:03.46 | sorphin | how's it look overall |
| 01:03.57 | cpenguin_home | sorphin: If I wasn't going out of town tommorrow, I would do 1 hour photo |
| 01:04.37 | cpenguin_home | floppy and ide, like promised |
| 01:04.45 | file | cpenguin_home: pleased? |
| 01:05.14 | cpenguin_home | file: sure |
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| 01:05.26 | cpenguin_home | its a pain in the ass to get to the isa slot |
| 01:05.40 | file | ISA, I remember that |
| 01:05.43 | file | my old mobo had all ISA |
| 01:05.52 | file | 4 PCI, 3 ISA |
| 01:06.06 | file | sjhill: g'day |
| 01:06.11 | sjhill | hi file |
| 01:06.21 | sorphin | file: that's nice......... |
| 01:06.22 | sjhill | lo' everyone else |
| 01:06.25 | sorphin | sjhill: allo stevo |
| 01:06.26 | file | sjhill: my Nino beeps at your entrance |
| 01:06.29 | sjhill | hi sorphin |
| 01:06.31 | sjhill | heh |
| 01:06.38 | sorphin | file: give it a rest eh? |
| 01:06.49 | file | sorphin: somebody's gotta motivate him! |
| 01:07.22 | sorphin | file: um.. not really |
| 01:07.28 | sorphin | you're the only one that cares about that thing |
| 01:07.33 | sjhill | sorphin: not true |
| 01:07.38 | file | sjhill does!!!! |
| 01:07.44 | file | he's got many Ninos, even... a color one! |
| 01:07.58 | sjhill | sorphin: i have about 50 different people who have emailed me |
| 01:08.09 | sorphin | heh |
| 01:08.20 | sorphin | sjhill: i doubt they're all as annoying as file tho ;p |
| 01:08.20 | file | sjhill: I sent you an e-mail once... I think |
| 01:10.29 | cpenguin_home | my isa card won't fit |
| 01:10.33 | cpenguin_home | damn bnc adapater |
| 01:10.38 | sorphin | umm |
| 01:10.40 | file | cut it off! |
| 01:10.42 | file | :) |
| 01:10.46 | sorphin | cut the pins |
| 01:10.51 | sorphin | simple |
| 01:13.07 | sjhill | well, i fly out for an interview with Echostar next week |
| 01:13.28 | file | ic |
| 01:13.56 | sjhill | i'm dealing with the strong possibility that i will have to relocate |
| 01:14.03 | sorphin | umm |
| 01:14.06 | sorphin | you will |
| 01:14.09 | sorphin | believe me ;p |
| 01:14.51 | sjhill | i've thought of shaving my head bald...i have this horendous cowlick |
| 01:15.02 | file | one of my friends did it - looks really neat |
| 01:15.18 | file | completely bald thati s |
| 01:15.19 | file | er that is |
| 01:15.26 | sjhill | file: damn cold in the winter though...especially where i'm at with wind chills hitting -50F |
| 01:15.38 | file | aye |
| 01:17.29 | sorphin | file: you're too late ;p |
| 01:17.53 | file | sjhill: your home lab is scary |
| 01:17.56 | sorphin | sjhill: i got one in the back too |
| 01:18.45 | sjhill | file: yet so very comforting to me |
| 01:18.52 | file | sjhill: uh huh |
| 01:19.11 | file | who is this... Jen |
| 01:19.18 | sjhill | file: my fiancee |
| 01:19.30 | sorphin | pics? |
| 01:19.32 | sorphin | where? ;) |
| 01:19.34 | sjhill | sorphin: yep |
| 01:19.41 | file | there's only one |
| 01:19.42 | sjhill | sorphin: http://www.realitydiluted.com/gallery |
| 01:19.46 | file | but there's some of his old office too |
| 01:19.51 | file | sjhill: that looked really nice btw |
| 01:19.58 | sjhill | file: it was awesome |
| 01:20.17 | sorphin | sjhill: i just have this 7' rack of gear next to me ;p |
| 01:20.20 | sjhill | file: everything you could want was accessible by the skywalk system...you never had to go outside |
| 01:20.34 | file | sjhill: alas... it's over |
| 01:20.46 | sjhill | file: it was a good run though |
| 01:20.48 | file | sjhill: another alas - no pictures of you :p |
| 01:21.28 | sjhill | file: that's 'cause i'm too handsome...if i put a pic up, women would flock to me |
| 01:21.35 | sorphin | whatever ;p |
| 01:21.49 | sorphin | scary |
| 01:21.58 | sorphin | sjhill: btw.. she's not bad ;) |
| 01:22.19 | sjhill | sorphin: yeah, she's phenomenal...built for speed and pleasure |
| 01:23.00 | sjhill | sorphin: she takes extremely good care of me...she wants to stay at home, have kids and take care of me...exact words |
| 01:23.10 | sorphin | weird |
| 01:23.14 | file | sjhill: I predict good fortune for you. |
| 01:23.17 | sorphin | sure she's human? :P |
| 01:23.21 | sjhill | sorphin: oh yes :) |
| 01:23.30 | sjhill | file: most definitely |
| 01:23.34 | file | sjhill: and alot more MIPS stuff. |
| 01:23.42 | sjhill | she even likes some of my anime... |
| 01:23.44 | sorphin | sjhill: now comes the real question |
| 01:23.48 | sjhill | ? |
| 01:23.52 | sorphin | wtf is she doing w/ a guy like you ;) |
| 01:24.12 | sjhill | i drug her daily |
| 01:24.32 | file | sjhill: standard geek drugs, or an assortment? |
| 01:24.33 | sorphin | obviously ;) |
| 01:24.42 | sorphin | ibot: kill file |
| 01:24.43 | | i haven't a clue, sorphin |
| 01:24.45 | sorphin | damn |
| 01:24.57 | file | I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that. |
| 01:25.48 | sjhill | http://www.realitydiluted.com/gallery/easter2002 |
| 01:25.52 | sjhill | you can see me and her sister |
| 01:27.12 | file | cpenguin_home: those are fun |
| 01:27.27 | file | cpenguin_home: get another thing of attachments too |
| 01:27.38 | file | could make diamonds if you wanted with it... |
| 01:28.00 | file | sjhill: a suit?!?!?! urgh |
| 01:28.22 | sjhill | file: the only one i have i might add |
| 01:28.32 | file | sjhill: haha |
| 01:28.54 | file | might need one... unfortunately |
| 01:29.24 | file | cpenguin_home: how good is that computer backpack? |
| 01:30.58 | cpenguin_home | i don't know if mine is the same, but I love mine |
| 01:32.33 | file | k |
| 01:34.32 | sorphin | sjhill: hey |
| 01:34.36 | sorphin | i was looking at that :P |
| 01:34.42 | sjhill | sorphin: sorry, just a sec |
| 01:34.48 | sorphin | dork ;p |
| 01:34.50 | sjhill | k |
| 01:34.55 | sorphin | her sister single? *grin* |
| 01:34.58 | sjhill | yes |
| 01:35.23 | sorphin | *grin* |
| 01:35.46 | sorphin | she's cute too ;) |
| 01:36.20 | sorphin | ok, done |
| 01:36.46 | sjhill | yep, her sister's really cute |
| 01:37.03 | sorphin | too bad she's in iowa ;p |
| 01:37.08 | sjhill | heh |
| 01:39.06 | sorphin | what i meant is that would make things a bit difficult ;p |
| 01:39.59 | sorphin | what're their names? :P |
| 01:40.32 | sjhill | you'll have to move to Iowa to find out :) |
| 01:41.16 | sorphin | to find out their names? heh |
| 01:41.23 | sjhill | :) |
| 01:43.10 | sorphin | well, how old is she? (her sister :P ) |
| 01:44.34 | sjhill | 22 |
| 01:44.39 | sorphin | cool |
| 01:44.44 | sjhill | Jen's 26...i'm 32 |
| 01:44.50 | sjhill | i like younger women :) |
| 01:44.54 | sorphin | old geiser ;) |
| 01:45.20 | sorphin | or geezer |
| 01:45.56 | sorphin | older than them tho |
| 01:48.51 | cpenguin_home | dammit - screwed it together wrong |
| 01:49.06 | sorphin | oops |
| 01:53.17 | cpenguin_home | there are drilled holes on the inner case that the case screws go through |
| 01:53.32 | cpenguin_home | but they're not equally spaced on the case, so there is a right way and wrong way to screw on the case |
| 01:57.27 | sorphin | nod |
| 01:58.33 | sjhill | fricken spawns |
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| 02:02.45 | MonMotha | out of curiosity, what's the smallest people have managed to get a recent glibc on x86? |
| 02:12.39 | sjhill | MonMotha: not small enough...use uClibc |
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| 02:13.19 | fishhead | hey |
| 02:13.27 | fishhead | any 6801, 8051, avr, or z80 fans here |
| 02:13.32 | fishhead | I got all of them to learn :) |
| 02:13.39 | sjhill | then learn them |
| 02:13.43 | fishhead | I bought a epson HX20, world's first laptop 2 6801 compatibles |
| 02:13.47 | sjhill | google is your friend....we're not |
| 02:13.50 | fishhead | two lcd's with embedded 8051's |
| 02:13.59 | fishhead | sjhill canuck off |
| 02:14.05 | sjhill | heh |
| 02:14.16 | sjhill | mostly we're ARM and MIPS people here |
| 02:14.19 | fishhead | I was on this network from the beginning |
| 02:14.22 | fishhead | don't make me bite you |
| 02:14.41 | fishhead | yeah I figured as much, but figured I might find a few microcontroller fans too |
| 02:14.43 | fishhead | :) |
| 02:14.54 | sjhill | TomW might be a good person to ping |
| 02:14.54 | fishhead | nothing wrong with arm or mips |
| 02:14.57 | fishhead | mips is funny |
| 02:15.02 | fishhead | when sgi started moving away from them |
| 02:15.06 | fishhead | everyone said mips was dead |
| 02:15.09 | fishhead | and partially true |
| 02:15.16 | fishhead | their desktop peform wasn't that good |
| 02:15.25 | fishhead | they switched to embedded market and kicking ass |
| 02:15.26 | fishhead | :) |
| 02:15.28 | sorphin | cept SGI still uses mips :P |
| 02:15.36 | fishhead | sorphin yeah but not as much |
| 02:16.09 | sorphin | fishhead: btw.. don't get smart w/ the regulars :P |
| 02:16.21 | fishhead | oh I am just kidding around sorphin |
| 02:16.28 | fishhead | and like I said I was a regular when this network went up :) |
| 02:16.36 | sorphin | and.... |
| 02:16.46 | fishhead | I remeber talking newbies over the phone long distance |
| 02:16.50 | fishhead | thru kernel compiles etc |
| 02:16.56 | sorphin | that's nice.. |
| 02:19.16 | cpenguin_home | gotta let the SO use the computer.... |
| 02:19.25 | cpenguin_home | More WebPal reports later (including hooking the damn thing up) |
| 02:19.36 | sorphin | k |
| 02:19.38 | cpenguin_home | let prpplague know I' |
| 02:19.43 | cpenguin_home | I'm looking for him |
| 02:19.44 | sorphin | .... |
| 02:19.46 | sorphin | k |
| 02:19.47 | cpenguin_home | bbiab |
| 02:30.04 | MonMotha | sjhill: yes, but then I can't steal stuff from my desktop :) |
| 02:30.15 | fishhead | hey monmontha |
| 02:30.16 | fishhead | ltns |
| 02:30.26 | MonMotha | and some of the networking tools I use don't compile cleanly against uClibc (though they're so close that the patches are honestly 10 lines long or less) |
| 02:30.29 | MonMotha | ltns? |
| 02:30.48 | fishhead | yeah remeber me |
| 02:31.25 | MonMotha | not really... |
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| 04:18.38 | sorphin | don't hurry back now, hear? :P |
| 04:33.20 | andersee | MonMotha: uClibc problems? |
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| 05:50.58 | BZFlag | andersee: breakfast tomorrow? |
| 05:53.05 | sorphin | either you're gonna be un utah or he's in your area |
| 05:57.27 | andersee | BZFlag: not looking very likely... Though it looks like I'll be heading down that way around 4:30pm (dinner with the inlaws) |
| 06:01.30 | BZFlag | drop by if you get a chance. |
| 06:02.04 | BZFlag | might hook you up with more loaner hardware. ;-) |
| 06:03.58 | andersee | k |
| 06:04.02 | andersee | Sounds like a plan |
| 06:04.35 | andersee | BZFlag: Doing anything over the holidays? |
| 06:05.18 | BZFlag | headed down to st george and vegas. |
| 06:05.50 | BZFlag | well I plan on breakfast. better get some sleep. ;-) |
| 06:05.54 | BZFlag | nite all |
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| 07:55.45 | russ | my webpal came in today |
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| 14:56.35 | CosmicPenguin | Morning |
| 14:56.41 | CosmicPenguin | where is everybody? |
| 15:04.47 | sorphin | no idea |
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| 15:11.29 | sorphin | fun fun |
| 15:14.30 | CosmicPenguin | I'm never a very patient flyer |
| 15:14.47 | sorphin | guess we need to do the Mr. T method |
| 15:15.10 | CosmicPenguin | Mr. T method? |
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| 15:31.30 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: knock you out before you fly |
| 15:31.58 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: no, thats ok. I can handle it... I just hate giving up control |
| 15:32.22 | CosmicPenguin | But then again, I trust thousands of people every day not to drive their cars into mine, so I guess a little trust is always needed |
| 15:32.34 | sorphin | yeah |
| 15:32.50 | sorphin | flying is one of hte few times i'm high up in the air that it doesn't bug me |
| 15:35.40 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: yeah, actually me too |
| 15:35.47 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: once I'm up there, its all good |
| 15:36.13 | sorphin | yeah |
| 15:36.40 | sorphin | unenclosed heights are my thing, and even then it's not so much the height, its falling and going splat |
| 15:37.48 | CosmicPenguin | splat is bad |
| 15:38.00 | sorphin | yup |
| 15:38.04 | sorphin | or worse |
| 15:38.33 | sorphin | you don't die on impact, you just get hurt really bad.. i'd rather just die on impact than go through all that |
| 15:44.26 | sorphin | so when's your mechanical bird flight? |
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| 15:52.07 | CosmicPenguin | 7:00 tonight, I think |
| 15:52.42 | sorphin | ah |
| 15:52.53 | sorphin | so you still have time to poke at the webpal ;) |
| 15:53.37 | CosmicPenguin | nah |
| 15:53.49 | CosmicPenguin | but without the RS232 dongle, I'm SOL |
| 15:53.59 | CosmicPenguin | I keep asking, but nobody knows whats going on with those bad boys |
| 15:54.19 | sorphin | blame russ |
| 15:54.22 | sorphin | ;) |
| 15:54.37 | CosmicPenguin | But the entire motherboard of the WebPal is enclosed in a metal case, |
| 15:54.49 | CosmicPenguin | So its going to be a bit of mechanical engineering to get everything to work right |
| 15:55.11 | CosmicPenguin | I guess we could leave the top sheld off. That shouldn't leak *too* much radation |
| 15:56.20 | CosmicPenguin | Better than punching a hole through metal to get at the IDE pins and what not |
| 15:56.54 | CosmicPenguin | But we definately need to have a CF <-> IDE adapter with a cable - the one prpplague wanted to use just wouldn't work without some major dremmel work |
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| 16:02.41 | kergoth | morning |
| 16:09.12 | sorphin | lo |
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| 16:20.15 | prpplague | morning folks |
| 16:22.21 | sorphin | lo davey *grin* |
| 16:24.15 | prpplague | sorphin: morning |
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| 16:28.13 | prpplague | sieve: yo! crack baby |
| 16:33.27 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: my webpal has done been delivered and disected |
| 16:33.42 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: got any photos? |
| 16:33.52 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: of the guts? |
| 16:34.27 | sorphin | TomW: he has no digital camera |
| 16:34.30 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: sadly no - I don't have a digital camera, and I'm going out of town tonight, otherwise I would've hit the one hour photo |
| 16:34.44 | TomW | WHAT!!! No digital Camera! |
| 16:34.46 | TomW | ??? |
| 16:34.57 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: mine does good pics, even for a 1.3 meg |
| 16:35.00 | TomW | uh |
| 16:35.18 | CosmicPenguin | Nothing beats a good ol' 35 mm for superior picture taking and color depth |
| 16:35.29 | CosmicPenguin | and if I ever want a washed out copy of my pictures, I've got a scanner |
| 16:36.03 | CosmicPenguin | But hey, thats just me. |
| 16:36.33 | CosmicPenguin | Anyway, the WebPal comes encased in a plastic shell, and then in a metal shell that completely contains the motherboard |
| 16:37.17 | CosmicPenguin | One side features the smartcard, IR sensor and 3 LEDs, while the back has all the gozouttas for the video |
| 16:38.28 | CosmicPenguin | The ISA connects to the mother board through a seperate dongle with two ISA slots |
| 16:39.15 | CosmicPenguin | My 3Com 509 inserted ok, but my model had a BNC adapter that didn't quite fit the smaller than standard hole in the back of the device |
| 16:39.26 | CosmicPenguin | But after I removed the tab from the top, it worked out ok. |
| 16:44.08 | CosmicPenguin | I didn't get a chance to plug it in though |
| 16:44.31 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: look like any additional headers connected to the cpu? |
| 16:45.50 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: other than IDE and floppy, none that were populated |
| 16:46.36 | CosmicPenguin | My model had the 665 SuperIO |
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| 16:48.15 | CosmicPenguin | Anyway, due to the constraints within the case, it might be nice to get CF <-> IDE dongles and RS232 dongles that have cables so we can run them outside of the metal case |
| 16:48.23 | CosmicPenguin | Otherwise, lots of mechanical engineering will be required |
| 16:49.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: send me an email with your address |
| 16:51.38 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: incoming |
| 16:55.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: need a cf card? |
| 16:57.36 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: nah |
| 16:57.52 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: ah, why not. Shouldn't turn down hardware |
| 16:58.05 | prpplague | 16mb ok? |
| 16:58.11 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: fine with me |
| 16:58.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you want a geode unit as well? |
| 16:58.39 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: what? |
| 16:58.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: a geode thin client |
| 16:59.04 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: ohhh.... |
| 16:59.23 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: sure... details? URLs? Who made it? |
| 17:01.15 | prpplague | http://www.maxan.com/product/a-300_eng.html#a-300 |
| 17:01.35 | prpplague | its the a-200 |
| 17:01.51 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i never could get x to run properly on it |
| 17:01.58 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i suspect it was a bios issue |
| 17:08.22 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: invalid link |
| 17:14.02 | prpplague | http://www.maxan.com/product/a-300_eng.html |
| 17:14.05 | prpplague | try that |
| 17:14.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm sending it anyway |
| 17:14.43 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: sweet |
| 17:14.48 | CosmicPenguin | Hmm... GX1 |
| 17:14.59 | CosmicPenguin | older model without the real wicked cool video processing stuff |
| 17:15.34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: well maybe you can get x running on it |
| 17:15.37 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: did you try Xfb? |
| 17:15.47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: negative |
| 17:16.01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i only have about 10 days to do some testing with it |
| 17:16.13 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: we have 40 in stock IIRC |
| 17:19.58 | sorphin | prpplague: what's this about free hardware? :) |
| 17:20.33 | prpplague | sorphin: call it one of those "buddy" deals, payback for help with TT |
| 17:20.41 | sorphin | ah |
| 17:20.45 | sorphin | ah well |
| 17:28.46 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: cool |
| 17:28.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: not that i'll every get to use :( |
| 17:35.42 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: 1Z7495160343426852 |
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| 17:44.55 | prpplague | mine are probably being used as a foot stool for someone in the mesquite ups office |
| 17:46.40 | sorphin | heh |
| 17:46.40 | sorphin | well |
| 17:46.44 | sorphin | i just spoke to them |
| 17:46.47 | sorphin | no signature required |
| 17:46.53 | sorphin | so i might be abel to get them to leave it |
| 17:47.02 | sorphin | BZFlag: allo tim |
| 17:48.34 | kergoth | BZFlag: hey tim |
| 17:49.18 | prpplague | BZFlag: got that "senior waste disposal engineer" job yet? |
| 17:49.36 | sorphin | prpplague: thought that's what they were moving you to? |
| 17:50.01 | prpplague | BZFlag: btw, i heard from netsilicon about the net+arm stuff, seems the project never got started :) |
| 17:50.26 | prpplague | sorphin: i wish, less stress, and i probably could find a lot of really cool broken stuff to play with |
| 17:50.39 | kergoth | prpplague: support finally got ahold of netsilicon hardware. get to play around |
| 17:50.55 | sorphin | prpplague: actually, "senior nuclear waste disposal engineer" ;) |
| 17:51.35 | prpplague | kergoth: got linux going yet? |
| 17:51.53 | prpplague | kergoth: the printserver deb is quoting is a net+50 arm7tdmi |
| 17:52.00 | kergoth | prpplague: nah not yet, only just got it an hour ago. |
| 17:52.03 | kergoth | ahh cool |
| 17:52.19 | kergoth | hm, i just realized i dont have a single screwdriver in my cube |
| 17:52.52 | sorphin | kergoth: and you call yourself... whatever you call yourself ;p |
| 17:53.08 | prpplague | kergoth: don't feel bad, i buy a set of screw drivers once a week and they keep getting stolen |
| 17:53.26 | sorphin | prpplague: prolly chris stealing em ;p |
| 17:53.59 | prpplague | sorphin: naw, we have alot of field techs that don't like to buy their own stuff :( |
| 17:54.32 | sorphin | ah |
| 18:03.36 | kergoth | prpplague: ahaha check this |
| 18:03.58 | kergoth | prpplague: they gave me a buffered, powered, jtag unit with this. 'raven'. shit is priced at $300! |
| 18:04.25 | sorphin | heh |
| 18:05.04 | kergoth | prpplague: this unit is a net+50 as well. |
| 18:12.00 | prpplague | kergoth: nice |
| 18:12.07 | prpplague | kergoth: what ya gonna do with it? |
| 18:13.07 | kergoth | prpplague: for now, play around with it and understand its existing NET+OS so i can support it |
| 18:13.13 | BZFlag | prpplague: ah. I'm not surprised given that neither of us can find anyone that worked on it. ;-) |
| 18:13.16 | kergoth | prpplague: then, probably look into getting linux on the thing |
| 18:14.32 | sorphin | BZFlag: your opinion on the zaurus made no sense yesterday ;) (i don't speak bzflagese) |
| 18:14.38 | prpplague | BZFlag: wanna move to east texas and operate you guru group out of the back of my nudie bar? |
| 18:14.54 | prpplague | kergoth: well keep me posted if you can |
| 18:15.01 | sorphin | prpplague: hell, guru group could be the silent partnet ;) |
| 18:15.05 | sorphin | partner |
| 18:15.09 | kergoth | prpplague: will do. |
| 18:18.04 | BZFlag | ok, I'm on an iPAQ and ext2/ext3/vfat are all modules. |
| 18:18.27 | BZFlag | when I insert a MMC card, I'd like it to look for all possible filesystem types and mount the right one. |
| 18:19.13 | BZFlag | idealy I think I'd like bb mount to look at the partition type, modprobe the right modules, try mounting, then rmmod the ones that are not used. |
| 18:19.16 | BZFlag | thoughts? |
| 18:19.52 | sorphin | actually sounds like nice idea |
| 18:23.15 | prpplague | BZFlag: you gonna creat a config file structure similiar to pcmcia stuff? |
| 18:30.30 | Russ|werk | morning |
| 18:31.05 | prpplague | Russ|werk: guess what? |
| 18:34.22 | Russ|werk | I know, I got the # |
| 18:34.23 | Russ|werk | thanks |
| 18:34.31 | Russ|werk | oh, I also got my webpad |
| 18:34.42 | prpplague | webpad or webpal? |
| 18:34.46 | Russ|werk | er |
| 18:34.48 | Russ|werk | webpal |
| 18:34.57 | Russ|werk | if they need a keyboard driver for that, I happen to have one |
| 18:35.14 | prpplague | Russ|werk: shit, i just realized, i could have stuck a ide-2-cf adapter in your box, :( |
| 18:36.21 | BZFlag | hmm... looks like with a /etc/filesystems that bb mount will modprobe each one. |
| 18:38.22 | Russ|werk | thats ok, I'll just use a harddrive |
| 18:38.43 | Russ|werk | the webpal keyboard is identical |
| 18:42.12 | prpplague | Russ|werk: identical to what? |
| 18:43.16 | Russ|werk | the tuxscreen |
| 18:43.47 | prpplague | ahh |
| 18:45.17 | prpplague | Russ|werk: well i hope you can do some good with those boards |
| 18:49.16 | sorphin | Russ|werk: cp is anxious ;) |
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| 20:09.45 | sorphin | allo mr bb |
| 20:10.26 | file | Star Trek: Nemesis in a few hours ;) |
| 20:10.41 | sorphin | apparently the critics think it sucks, must be good then ;) |
| 20:10.53 | file | yup |
| 20:29.01 | BZFlag | what expires (autoclean) modules? |
| 20:30.19 | andersee | BZFlag: nothing. On some systems a cron job does. But generally speaking, nothing. |
| 20:31.08 | BZFlag | I thought the kernel had an autoclean timeout someplace? |
| 20:31.41 | andersee | BZFlag: nope |
| 20:32.39 | andersee | BZFlag: /etc/cron.daily/modutils |
| 20:32.49 | andersee | insmod_ksymoops_clean |
| 20:32.49 | andersee | insmod_ksymoops_clean deletes saved ksyms and modules not accessed in 2 days. |
| 20:33.30 | BZFlag | sheesh. ;-) |
| 20:37.47 | BZFlag | andersee: rmmod -a when fat and vfat are install would not rmmod fat right? |
| 20:38.16 | BZFlag | rmmod needs the -r to do that? |
| 20:38.28 | andersee | yup |
| 20:41.41 | andersee | hmm |
| 20:41.55 | andersee | Actually I think rmmod -a would be sufficient |
| 20:42.37 | BZFlag | if I modprobe vfat, then fat gets loaded. if I rmmod -a, vfat goes, but fat stays. next rmmod -a gets fat. |
| 20:42.52 | BZFlag | could be worse on other modules. |
| 20:43.19 | BZFlag | I think I'll work up a rmmod patch that loops till it can't unload anything. k? |
| 20:43.33 | BZFlag | only on -a -r though. |
| 20:43.52 | BZFlag | or should -a just do the "Right Thing" on bb ? |
| 20:50.55 | Lethal | rmmod -a will wipe out autoclean stuff, if theres dependancies just run it a few times ;P |
| 20:57.12 | BZFlag | Lethal: agreed, but a -a would insure it was only run one more time than needed. |
| 20:57.41 | BZFlag | well, tried. only run once. ;-) |
| 20:58.44 | BZFlag | opinions anyone on -a doing -a -r ? (oh, /me meant -r would insure above) |
| 20:59.14 | BZFlag | I don't see the point in doing a -a without a -r myself. |
| 21:12.30 | BZFlag | hmm. it would probably mean moving my_query_module someplace where rmmod can see it too. |
| 21:14.27 | BZFlag | xmalloc() is stack space? module_names is never freed. |
| 21:16.28 | MonMotha | andersee: my uClibc "problems" are very minor, mostly missing functions that probably don't need to be implemented anyway (as I believe rint() may even be a glibcism) |
| 21:17.48 | Lethal | xmalloc is supposed to take a heap argument to determine where to do the allocation from |
| 21:18.14 | Lethal | I don't think linux does it that way though |
| 21:20.46 | Lethal | I guess it just uses the general kernel heap |
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| 21:22.42 | Lethal | I guess thats what you get when its not mandated by ansi or posix ;P |
| 21:23.17 | Lethal | according to glibc its a wrapper to malloc() but prints out an error message if ENOMEM. |
| 21:25.43 | BZFlag | so it gets freed on exit() yes? so if lsmod is used as a builtin, the shell will grow and grow? |
| 21:26.47 | Lethal | why would exit() free it? |
| 21:26.47 | Lethal | exit() will clean up fd's, but not allocations AFAIK. |
| 21:26.47 | BZFlag | exit() frees process malloced space, yes? |
| 21:26.48 | BZFlag | ~fishslap Lethal for being half asleep |
| 21:26.49 | | ACTION slaps Lethal up side the head with a wet fish for being half asleep |
| 21:26.49 | BZFlag | hmm. tha bot is dead? |
| 21:26.49 | Lethal | you could always do an atexit() handler to free() up any xmalloc() remnants. |
| 21:26.49 | Lethal | as long as you don't care about strict posix ;P |
| 21:31.19 | BZFlag | the point is that in bb I think there is an option to turn all bb commands into builtins and if that was the case, then the memory would not get freed. |
| 21:31.20 | Lethal | I don't think exit() does. its certainly not required to. |
| 21:31.20 | Lethal | ah |
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| 21:32.38 | Lethal_ | fucking useless OPN |
| 21:33.35 | sorphin | BZFlag: yes, there is |
| 21:33.35 | sorphin | in other news, my webpals just left lenexa, KS 45 mins ago :) |
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| 21:36.54 | Lethal | wow, these servers are really out of sync |
| 21:37.08 | sorphin | umm |
| 21:37.13 | Lethal | I /quit on my other client like 5 minutes ago :P |
| 21:37.21 | sorphin | apparently not ;p |
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| 21:39.00 | sorphin | could just be the server you're on ;p |
| 21:39.05 | Lethal | sorphin, non-conformist :P |
| 21:39.29 | Lethal | yeah, it was |
| 21:39.36 | Lethal | I hopped to this one and its not laggy |
| 21:39.41 | Lethal | no idea what I was on before |
| 21:40.19 | andersee | Lethal: this is why busybox has a CLEANUP option. Rarely used... |
| 21:41.06 | Lethal | cleanup is usually a good thing |
| 21:41.30 | sorphin | one of them will be mine |
| 21:41.48 | MonMotha | ping? |
| 21:42.16 | sorphin | -:- CTCP PING reply from MonMotha: 1.458 seconds |
| 21:42.18 | sorphin | :P |
| 21:42.20 | MonMotha | not too bad |
| 21:42.26 | MonMotha | 600ms or so of that is my tunnel |
| 21:42.36 | sorphin | you're a masochist |
| 21:42.42 | sorphin | speaking of tunnels |
| 21:42.47 | sorphin | he.net has their head somewhere |
| 21:42.52 | sorphin | my tunnel was pingable |
| 21:42.58 | sorphin | but they cut it saying it wasn't ;p |
| 21:43.05 | sorphin | then eventually my account |
| 21:43.07 | andersee | Lethal: Normally, we save a few bytes by not freeing memory and let the kernel clean up after us |
| 21:43.23 | Lethal | andersee, does exit() actually clean up the allocations? |
| 21:43.31 | sorphin | andersee: assuming the VM does its job |
| 21:43.52 | Lethal | thats a pretty steep assumption |
| 21:44.12 | sorphin | and from what i've seen not a very accurate one :P |
| 21:44.32 | Lethal | sorphin, was fine around 2.0 :P |
| 21:44.40 | sorphin | i know |
| 21:44.45 | sorphin | 2.4's vm sucks |
| 21:44.49 | Lethal | no shit :P |
| 21:44.51 | sorphin | both of em |
| 21:45.03 | Lethal | 2.5 isn't doing too bad |
| 21:45.03 | MonMotha | what do you think of the 2.5 VM? |
| 21:45.06 | MonMotha | whatever the kernel one is :) |
| 21:45.23 | sorphin | MonMotha: haven't ran 2.5 |
| 21:45.26 | sorphin | and won't |
| 21:45.53 | Lethal | MonMotha, wait till june, I'm sure once 2.5 is stable Linus will up and rewrite the VM before 2.6 release ;P |
| 21:46.09 | sorphin | heh |
| 21:46.13 | sorphin | a new zaurus out soon |
| 21:46.22 | sorphin | 5600... there's a prerelease one on ebay |
| 21:46.24 | Lethal | 2.5 is pretty fun |
| 21:46.30 | kergoth | sorphin: yep |
| 21:46.40 | Lethal | O(1) does a decent job |
| 21:46.56 | sorphin | ? |
| 21:47.09 | sorphin | holy shit |
| 21:47.20 | sorphin | the 5600 uses a 400mhz intel xscale |
| 21:47.25 | sorphin | noe more ARM |
| 21:47.28 | sorphin | no even |
| 21:47.30 | Lethal | which one? |
| 21:47.33 | Lethal | xscale is still ARM |
| 21:47.36 | Lethal | its ARM 5 derived |
| 21:47.36 | sorphin | heh |
| 21:47.41 | Lethal | still has broken caches |
| 21:47.55 | Lethal | and a fucked performance counter + MMU to go along |
| 21:47.56 | sorphin | The SL-5600 uses a 400MHz Intel XScale processor, while the previous model uses a 206 MHz StrongARM. It will have a total of 96MB of memory, made up of 32MB SDRAM and 64MB of protected Flash, which is secure memory for storing files and applications. |
| 21:47.56 | sorphin | Its screen is a reflective TFT LCD with a front light. This 320 by 240 pixel display is 3.5 inches when measured diagonally and supports 65,536 colors. |
| 21:47.56 | sorphin | Like its predecessor, the SL-5600 has a bottom piece that slides to expose a small keyboard. It also has a CompactFlash slot and a SD/MMC slot. It includes a 1700 mA Lithium-Ion rechargeable battery that is removable. It also has a speaker and microphone with a stereo headphone jack. |
| 21:48.05 | Lethal | great |
| 21:48.07 | Lethal | so which xscale? :P |
| 21:48.13 | kergoth | Lethal: thats the real question |
| 21:48.21 | andersee | Lethal: Well, not exit(), but the _exit(2) syscall causes the kernel to cleanup whatever mess the process leaves behind. So by skipping the cleanup in busybox, we can save some bytes, and the kernel cleans up for us. |
| 21:48.21 | kergoth | Lethal: i dont have any info on what stepping made it into the units as of yet |
| 21:48.32 | sorphin | Lethal: hell if i know |
| 21:48.36 | sorphin | i'm just looking on ebay |
| 21:48.47 | Lethal | kergoth, ah |
| 21:49.10 | sorphin | 400MHz Intel XScale processor featuring a 32-bit instruction cache and a 32-bit data cache and 100MHz memory interface is all i know |
| 21:49.13 | kergoth | Lethal: should have details soon |
| 21:49.15 | Lethal | I had one of the early iq80310's. what a fucking mess that was :P |
| 21:49.20 | prpplague | sorphin: i'd rather have the c700 instead |
| 21:49.24 | sorphin | kergoth: it's due in Jan ;p |
| 21:49.26 | TimRiker | GROUP_FILE is defined in libbb/messages.c and referenced in loginutils/addgroup.c |
| 21:49.28 | kergoth | sorphin: i know. |
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| 21:49.36 | sorphin | prpplague: say what? |
| 21:49.44 | Lethal | sorphin, great. when it moves out of VIVT maybe it'll actually be useful ;P |
| 21:49.53 | sorphin | huh? |
| 21:49.54 | Lethal | at least ARM 6 is supposed to be VIPT |
| 21:49.59 | kergoth | prpplague: word is dynamism wants to get some of OZ's spiffiness into their english translated c700 |
| 21:50.09 | Lethal | sorphin, its virtually indexed / virtually tagged in the L1 |
| 21:50.17 | sorphin | umm right |
| 21:50.24 | Lethal | lots of aliasing suckage :P |
| 21:50.27 | Lethal | and no coherency |
| 21:50.48 | prpplague | kergoth: ya benmeyer implied i should really wait for the US version |
| 21:51.25 | sorphin | the 5700 is to normal lookin |
| 21:51.33 | Lethal | well, at least if they go VIPT, SMP will be feasible :P |
| 21:51.35 | prpplague | sorphin: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9634169761.html |
| 21:51.49 | Lethal | otherwise you'd essentially have to flush at each spinlock interval :P |
| 21:51.57 | sorphin | umm |
| 21:52.09 | sorphin | ~fishslap andersee |
| 21:52.11 | | ACTION slaps andersee up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 21:52.17 | sorphin | wake up busyboy |
| 21:52.42 | sorphin | prpplague: hah, cute |
| 21:52.46 | sorphin | -h |
| 21:53.01 | sorphin | prpplague: i'm sure the cost will be more than i'd pay ;p |
| 21:53.18 | prpplague | sorphin: ya about $800 |
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| 21:53.25 | sorphin | yup |
| 21:53.27 | sorphin | no way in hell |
| 21:53.30 | Lethal | is that the HPC one they demoed in japan awhile back? |
| 21:53.35 | sorphin | i'd rather pay 300 for the 5500 :P |
| 21:54.17 | Lethal | ah, yeah, it is. cool. |
| 21:54.23 | Lethal | 800 isn't bad |
| 21:54.27 | sorphin | uhh |
| 21:54.43 | Lethal | though a bit overpriced. the reference board is 550 :P |
| 21:54.47 | sorphin | BZFlag: good luck ;) |
| 21:55.05 | sorphin | Lethal: i won't pay that much $ for something like this, it's rediculous |
| 21:55.21 | Lethal | sorphin, obviously. if they fix their caches though, I'll buy one ;P |
| 21:55.30 | andersee | BZFlag: I'm here. You were missing when I went to respond |
| 21:55.34 | sorphin | nod |
| 21:55.45 | sorphin | i'd buy one, but not for 800 |
| 21:56.05 | sorphin | andersee: no he wasn't he was here, just name changed ;) |
| 21:56.30 | Lethal | yeah. now if only someone would ship a current SH pda, I'd buy that ;P |
| 21:56.36 | sorphin | Lethal: i don't spend 800 on a toy like this ;p |
| 21:57.01 | sorphin | bad enough spending 500 on a switch ;p |
| 21:57.09 | andersee | Lethal: someone should make a handheld dreamcast |
| 21:57.10 | BZFlag | andersee: xmalloc in lsmod module_names does not get freed. |
| 21:57.12 | andersee | Lethal: ;-) |
| 21:57.25 | Lethal | andersee, uh.. no.. maple sucks ass :P |
| 21:57.28 | BZFlag | andersee: kaii is close, but sh3 not sh4 =( |
| 21:57.45 | Lethal | sh4 or sh5 in a pda would be nice though |
| 21:57.56 | Lethal | even HP's old jornada stuff is all SH-3 |
| 21:58.10 | Lethal | SH-3 is cool and all. but combined I & D has just got to go :P |
| 21:58.24 | BZFlag | it would be the first pda that bzflag could run on. ;-) |
| 21:58.26 | andersee | BZFlag: Hmm. Free it within an #ifdef CONFIG_FEATURE_CLEAN_UP |
| 21:58.38 | Lethal | BZFlag, won't run on SH-3? |
| 21:58.47 | Lethal | BZFlag, how about SMP SH-2? ;P |
| 21:58.55 | andersee | BZFlag: But memory leaks are default behavior... Most of the time there is no need to free things |
| 21:59.02 | sorphin | Lethal: smp is overrated |
| 21:59.04 | BZFlag | andersee: does CONFIG_FEATURE_CLEAN_UP get defined if commands as builtins then? |
| 21:59.07 | Lethal | sorphin, so is the sh-3 ;P |
| 21:59.15 | andersee | BZFlag: no, but it should |
| 21:59.23 | sorphin | Lethal: i wouldn't know.. i only have one SH device, my dreamcast ;p |
| 21:59.36 | Lethal | sorphin, dreamcast was fun to port linux to :P |
| 21:59.49 | sorphin | Lethal: i'll take your word for it |
| 21:59.58 | Lethal | except for maple |
| 22:00.01 | Lethal | thats just uncalled for |
| 22:00.02 | Lethal | :P |
| 22:00.10 | prpplague | Lethal: the reason we would pay that amount for the c700 is we need the 640x480 display for legacy apps |
| 22:00.33 | Lethal | prpplague, thats what virt res + a slider is for ;P |
| 22:01.14 | prpplague | Lethal: doesn't work well for end (l)users |
| 22:01.26 | sorphin | nope |
| 22:01.28 | sorphin | not 8000 |
| 22:01.29 | sorphin | erm |
| 22:01.30 | sorphin | 800 |
| 22:01.37 | sorphin | SL-C700 Sharp Zaurus SL-C700 699.00 - |
| 22:01.45 | Lethal | prpplague, bundle a cluebat with it? :P |
| 22:01.58 | sorphin | so ner :P |
| 22:02.11 | sorphin | ~lart lethal |
| 22:02.24 | Lethal | bah |
| 22:02.42 | sorphin | 699 is slightly better, but not good enough ;p |
| 22:02.43 | prpplague | Lethal: trust me, our customers are bottom of the barrel, they don't mind paying awhole lot more if it be just a little be simpler |
| 22:02.57 | sorphin | btw |
| 22:02.59 | Lethal | prpplague, thats typical. |
| 22:03.05 | sorphin | that 699 is on dynamism |
| 22:03.23 | Lethal | the clueful customer is a much overhyped myth :P |
| 22:03.48 | prpplague | sorphin: alot better than the $2900 for this - http://home.intermec.com/eprise/main/Intermec/Content/Products/Products_ShowDetail?section=Products&Product=CMPTR6651&Category=CMPTR&Family=CMPTR2 |
| 22:04.01 | sorphin | heh |
| 22:04.46 | sorphin | prpplague: rip |
| 22:04.47 | sorphin | off |
| 22:05.36 | Lethal | wow, context switching on mmuless rules ;P |
| 22:06.24 | Lethal | andersee, I almost have the DC booting with the MMU turned off ;P |
| 22:06.31 | andersee | Lethal: :-) |
| 22:06.38 | sorphin | heh |
| 22:06.40 | sorphin | why? :P |
| 22:06.42 | andersee | Lethal: Faster? |
| 22:06.53 | MonMotha | andersee: you see my response to your question regarding my uClibc "problems"? |
| 22:07.04 | Lethal | sorphin, want to get the mmuless stuff taken care of so I know that shit works before I start hacking on the saturn port ;P |
| 22:07.11 | sorphin | heh |
| 22:07.17 | prpplague | Lethal: DC? Diskless Client? |
| 22:07.20 | sorphin | no |
| 22:07.21 | Lethal | andersee, a lot of stuff is. |
| 22:07.22 | sorphin | dreamcast |
| 22:07.23 | sorphin | :P |
| 22:07.34 | andersee | MonMotha: yup, saw it |
| 22:07.37 | Lethal | andersee, tlb flushing works out to a BUG() ;P |
| 22:07.39 | sorphin | ~rlart |
| 22:07.43 | MonMotha | andersee: k |
| 22:07.54 | sorphin | damn |
| 22:07.56 | sorphin | missed |
| 22:08.06 | Lethal | about the only real performance hit left on it is periodic flushing to deal with aliasing issues |
| 22:08.20 | Russ|werk | prpplague: when does ups actually stop by to scan stuff? |
| 22:08.31 | Lethal | and its not stupid like XScale which likes to keep its cache enable stuff in the page tables ;P |
| 22:08.33 | sorphin | Russ|werk: eh? |
| 22:08.50 | Lethal | so we can sanely tear down the page tables and still read/write the CCR |
| 22:08.51 | sorphin | you're STILL waiting for that nonexistant tracking info? ;) |
| 22:09.04 | prpplague | Russ|werk: in about 30 minutes |
| 22:09.13 | sorphin | wow |
| 22:09.16 | andersee | BZFlag: - return addgroup(GROUP_FILE, group, gid, user); |
| 22:09.16 | andersee | + return addgroup(group_file, group, gid, user); |
| 22:09.18 | andersee | thx |
| 22:09.19 | Russ|werk | I have a number now...Its just not in the ups database yet |
| 22:09.21 | sorphin | its actually gonna ship ;) |
| 22:09.23 | andersee | My bad |
| 22:10.00 | Lethal | then after SMP works on SH-2, will just have to prod ST into releasing smp stuff ;P |
| 22:10.37 | sorphin | umm.. right |
| 22:11.10 | Lethal | frequency scaling should be interesting too, especially if the slave runs at a different speed then the master. |
| 22:11.43 | Lethal | then theres just the notifier block updates for loops_per_jiffy changes for additional overhead. |
| 22:12.04 | Lethal | which isn't too expensive |
| 22:14.39 | BZFlag | andersee: yep, figured it was an oversight. |
| 22:14.48 | Lethal | sorphin, thanks for your support ;P |
| 22:15.10 | sorphin | of course :P |
| 22:15.16 | BZFlag | Lethal: that's AMP then no? |
| 22:15.40 | Lethal | BZFlag, nah. frequency scaling is just something thats possible per-CPU. normally they run at the same speed. |
| 22:15.59 | Lethal | its not required to be though |
| 22:16.05 | BZFlag | andersee: opinion on rmmod -a acting like -r by default? |
| 22:16.12 | Lethal | not that theres actually much point in slowing it down any |
| 22:16.20 | Lethal | the SH7604 isn't that fast to begin with |
| 22:16.20 | Russ|werk | if there is not enough load for two cpu's, I can see scaling the other cpu down to conseve power |
| 22:16.35 | BZFlag | Lethal: battery power? (me imagines that smp pda) |
| 22:16.46 | Lethal | Russ|werk, the second one never needs to be spun up. if theres only work on one processor, the second one can be kicked offline and bootstrapped again later when needed. |
| 22:17.11 | Lethal | BZFlag, then your better off turning the second processor off and kicking your first one into power-save ;P |
| 22:17.15 | BZFlag | did you see the kernel patches to turn cpus on and off at runtime? |
| 22:17.26 | Lethal | I saw the hotplug stuff |
| 22:17.46 | Lethal | turning the slave off and on isn't an issue |
| 22:17.47 | BZFlag | cool cool. that was the only thing I missed about sco. |
| 22:17.52 | Lethal | with the master however, thats an issue :P |
| 22:18.09 | Russ|werk | maybe if you have a pda that has a second processor thats *just* fast enough to play an mp3 with mad |
| 22:18.10 | *** part/#elinux sorphin (sorphin@adsl-64-218-79-41.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) |
| 22:18.34 | Lethal | all you do for smp is just hand off an entry point to the slave cpu anyways, that can be cleared and it can be put into suspend or whatever |
| 22:18.36 | andersee | BZFlag: It is a behavior defference from modutils. But then again, I suppose that could be a argument that rmmod -a is broken... Not strong feeling either way. I certainly don't see how it could hurt anything if you change it... And it may even help some apps. |
| 22:18.41 | BZFlag | or do ipsec or do voip coding etc. |
| 22:19.08 | Lethal | I'll just have to hack SH-2 + SMP support into my cpufreq driver for SH |
| 22:23.32 | BZFlag | hmm. with applets always win I run ./busybox sh and then try ./busybox lsmod and I get the help text. |
| 22:24.09 | BZFlag | infact ./busybox <anything> get's the help text. |
| 22:24.25 | BZFlag | does busybox think busybox is a builtin too? |
| 22:26.12 | BZFlag | I guess that follows. just unexpected. |
| 22:30.33 | BZFlag | andersee: taking time off next week == working on busybox? ;-) |
| 22:34.39 | andersee | BZFlag: hehe |
| 22:34.50 | andersee | BZFlag: I'm a loser, what can I say |
| 22:37.49 | BZFlag | with CONFIG_FEATURE_SH_STANDALONE_SHELL is there an exec/fork/spawn for applets? ie: would they get cleaned by the kernel? |
| 22:38.16 | BZFlag | andersee: you planning on dropping by tonight? |
| 22:39.04 | BZFlag | keri has a concert so I'll head off to that about 6ish |
| 22:43.32 | andersee | BZFlag: What time will you be around? I'd not be able to drop by till around 9ish |
| 22:44.32 | andersee | BZFlag: My wife is going to stay the night at her sister's place. I'll be coming home since I have some committments in the morning. But I'll be heading back to pick her and the kids up tomorrow afternoon. |
| 22:44.53 | andersee | BZFlag: So if 9 is too late, I can swing by tomorrow afternoon. |
| 22:46.57 | BZFlag | don't know when I'll get home. asking keri for a best guess... |
| 22:48.39 | BZFlag | she expects we'll be home by 9 or 9:30 at the latest. I'll be hacking ;-) drop by at 9:30? |
| 22:51.36 | prpplague | kergoth: well, looks like we are going ahead with the printserver project |
| 22:52.17 | prpplague | kergoth: i've gotten approval for uclinux port to net+50 |
| 22:53.56 | prpplague | kergoth: shall i setup cvs access for ya? |
| 22:55.41 | kergoth | prpplague: certainly |
| 22:56.46 | prpplague | kergoth: ok password is: ihavetheplague |
| 22:56.55 | prpplague | kergoth: lol, jk |
| 22:56.59 | kergoth | lol |
| 22:57.25 | andersee | BZFlag: k, its a plan then |
| 22:57.29 | kergoth | its so dead here today |
| 22:59.46 | BZFlag | ~rinsult |
| 22:59.48 | | go stick ibot's head in a pig, bzflag. |
| 23:00.07 | kergoth | hmm |
| 23:00.24 | BZFlag | ~rinsult |
| 23:00.39 | BZFlag | that was interesting. |
| 23:00.57 | kergoth | indeed. |
| 23:05.16 | CosmicPenguin | Later folks - have fun with your webpals! |
| 23:10.47 | prpplague | andersee: is there a "uclinux howto for morons"? |
| 23:11.16 | Lethal | there's a howto? |
| 23:15.37 | Lethal | hum. anyone done discontig on uclinux before? |
| 23:17.05 | Lethal | pg_data_t looks relatively hostile to mmuless. especially w/ the pfn references. |
| 23:17.28 | kergoth | Lethal: what arch are you working with there, out of curiosity? |
| 23:18.02 | Lethal | kergoth, SH. an SH7604 (SH-2) in particular. |
| 23:18.11 | kergoth | ah |
| 23:19.22 | Lethal | I guess I could manually fill in the boot node stuff and ignore the pfn stuff |
| 23:25.33 | Lethal | bah. looks like I'll have to rewrite setup_arch(). fun. |
| 23:51.17 | sieve | later all |