| 00:00.36 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:01.10 | kergoth | sorphin: no that was last month |
| 00:01.12 | kergoth | sorphin: hehe |
| 00:01.34 | sorphin | my check next week is gonna have a bit more since my standby time didn't manage to make it onto the last check |
| 00:01.41 | sorphin | only 11 hours, but still |
| 00:02.21 | kergoth | cool cool |
| 00:06.40 | ade|desk | doh got a computing exam in 9 hrs time .. whoops |
| 00:06.46 | ade|desk | forgot to revise |
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| 00:24.27 | BZFlag | http://rikers.org/tmp/tsop56zifa.jpg http://rikers.org/tmp/tsop56zifb.jpg http://rikers.org/tmp/tsop56zifc.jpg |
| 00:24.36 | BZFlag | anyone know where to get some of those? |
| 00:27.15 | jacques | what the heck is that? |
| 00:27.26 | andersee | BZFlag: flash chip socket? |
| 00:28.41 | Russ|werk | BZFlag: triad might |
| 00:32.53 | Russ|werk | http://alphazee.webstrikesolutions.com/tutorials/leaper10notes.htm |
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| 00:38.05 | prpplague | yo yo |
| 00:40.13 | prpplague | gotten quite in here |
| 00:42.58 | BZFlag | http://www.meritec.com/Pages/products/sockets/tsop.html |
| 00:43.18 | BZFlag | yeah, tsop-56 (intel flash) socket. |
| 00:44.14 | prpplague | BZFlag: what usage did you have in mind for that? |
| 00:44.24 | BZFlag | http://alphazee.webstrikesolutions.com/tutorials/tsopsocket.htm |
| 00:44.57 | BZFlag | customer want's in for some early development boards. the vercel dev boards have them. |
| 00:46.07 | prpplague | ahh |
| 00:46.18 | prpplague | BZFlag: so the vercel is still moving along? |
| 00:47.56 | prpplague | BZFlag: interesting |
| 00:49.08 | prpplague | BZFlag: you still interested in getting the lineo package configured for the hack kit? |
| 01:40.32 | BZFlag | prpplague: our part of the vercel thing is done. |
| 01:41.02 | BZFlag | prpplague: with things up in the air, I'd like to postpone it. |
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| 02:00.22 | prpplague | BZFlag: so has the PR bomb hit yet? |
| 02:01.39 | sorphin | prpplague: have noticed an EMP yet? :P |
| 02:01.55 | prpplague | sorphin: ? |
| 02:02.02 | sorphin | bomb |
| 02:02.03 | sorphin | EMP |
| 02:02.16 | prpplague | Electro Magnetic Pulse? |
| 02:02.18 | BZFlag | http://store.yahoo.com/romtools/tsop56.html |
| 02:02.20 | sorphin | yes |
| 02:02.58 | sorphin | BZFlag: umm |
| 02:03.04 | sorphin | isn't that a bit pricey? |
| 02:03.26 | BZFlag | prpplague: nope, about a week away still I'd bet. |
| 02:03.33 | BZFlag | $100 for 6? |
| 02:03.42 | BZFlag | sounds ok to me. |
| 02:03.56 | sorphin | 16$ for a socket |
| 02:03.59 | prpplague | a little pricey |
| 02:04.05 | BZFlag | now if I were ordering 1000 or something that'd be different. |
| 02:04.20 | sorphin | BZFlag: i dunno where you normally order things from ;) |
| 02:04.34 | BZFlag | ok, better source for a similar socket? |
| 02:04.44 | sorphin | prpplague: yo joebob |
| 02:04.50 | sorphin | ;) |
| 02:05.01 | sorphin | BZFlag: i'll dig around |
| 02:05.02 | prpplague | sorphin: what? |
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| 02:05.16 | sorphin | prpplague: thought maybe you might know of anywhere :P |
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| 02:05.39 | prpplague | sorphin: no, just sounded expensive |
| 02:06.36 | MonMotha | I wouldn't think that would be a really common item... |
| 02:06.53 | MonMotha | most distributors, even if they will sell them to you, probably won't have them in stock |
| 02:07.01 | sorphin | MonMotha: never know |
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| 02:08.28 | bhima | I'm building an old kernel - 2.4.6. make image finds multiple definitions of symbols in fs/fs.o and drivers/net/net.o (inflate/defalte/etc) |
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| 02:10.00 | sorphin | prpplague: make up your mind ;p |
| 02:10.18 | prpplague | sorphin: learning the usage of chanserv and nickserv |
| 02:11.06 | sorphin | ah |
| 02:11.13 | prpplague | BZFlag: i was suprised to see rmk in #blob this morning |
| 02:11.46 | jacques | dang |
| 02:12.04 | jacques | if I ever see him I have a few choice words about tslib |
| 02:12.08 | sorphin | hehe |
| 02:17.53 | prpplague | lol, i think that is why he sneaks around |
| 02:19.29 | jacques | :-D |
| 02:19.35 | jacques | i would too |
| 02:27.29 | prpplague | this eagle pcb stuff is nice |
| 02:27.56 | prpplague | i'm impressed with the linux version |
| 02:32.35 | bhima | I like eaglecad too. |
| 02:32.40 | bhima | I've done four boards with it so far. |
| 02:32.48 | bhima | I just want a big version. :( |
| 02:33.33 | bhima | Olimex (Bulgaria), CustomPCB(Malaysia) and Advanced Circuits (4pcb.com; USA) have all done reasonable work. |
| 02:35.09 | bhima | Also, note that EagleCAD limits the places you can put components - wires and vias can go anywhere. |
| 02:35.19 | bhima | so if you want to do stuff the hard way, you can make bigger boards. |
| 02:36.13 | prpplague | bhima: big version? |
| 02:36.25 | bhima | well, version that lets me do big boards :) |
| 02:36.32 | prpplague | oh |
| 02:36.43 | prpplague | bhima: are you using the eval version? |
| 02:37.33 | bhima | yeah. |
| 02:37.59 | bhima | I made an 8x10" board - needed something to fit in my dashboard. |
| 02:39.17 | prpplague | bhima: ahh, i'm testing out the eval, i think i might order the eagle light |
| 02:39.31 | prpplague | bhima: i can't imaging doing 4 layer boards |
| 02:40.27 | bhima | actually, I think you could twist it into doing power/ground plane four layer boards. |
| 02:40.33 | bhima | design your board, save it. |
| 02:40.48 | bhima | then remove all wiring from the bottom layer - leaves pins, vias, etc. in there. |
| 02:40.52 | bhima | create a big cop |
| 02:41.00 | bhima | copper fill for your ground plane. |
| 02:41.18 | bhima | output the gerber file for it. |
| 02:41.28 | bhima | change the copper fill to power. |
| 02:41.30 | bhima | repeate. |
| 02:44.27 | prpplague | bhima: ahh, what i meant though is that i'm new to pcb layout, i've don't schematics, but never the layout stuff |
| 02:44.44 | prpplague | bhima: i mainly need small custom pcb's for prototype projects |
| 02:45.40 | bhima | ahh. sorry. yeah. I'm referring to layouts. |
| 02:45.43 | bhima | I'm relatively new to it too. |
| 02:45.55 | bhima | only been doing it for two months or so. well, only using CAD for it. |
| 02:46.08 | bhima | previously I've done it by hand, but very simple layouts. |
| 02:46.43 | prpplague | bhima: you used any of the press on stuff used with laser printers |
| 02:49.12 | bhima | once. wasn't that happy, and the cost was too high IMHO. |
| 02:49.15 | bhima | should try it again. |
| 02:50.59 | prpplague | bhima: you had pretty good luck with 4pcb? |
| 02:51.28 | bhima | if you're a first time customer, until march, they'll do their three/$99 deal for you for free. |
| 02:51.50 | bhima | you need to send email to free@4pcb.com and ask for a code number. |
| 02:52.09 | prpplague | bhima: cool |
| 02:52.29 | prpplague | bhima: they sent me a set of coasters made from pcbs |
| 02:52.47 | bhima | yeah, I have one of those :) |
| 02:53.07 | prpplague | bhima: i wanted some with the silouette of naked ladies :) |
| 02:53.11 | bhima | if you want a single board, or a small board, others are better. |
| 02:53.23 | bhima | olimex is good if you want lots of features on a small board. |
| 02:53.41 | bhima | custompcb for featureless baords - $26 for two, shipped, 4"x5.5". |
| 02:53.49 | prpplague | bhima: i've been doing perf board for so long i don't think complex anymore :) |
| 02:53.50 | bhima | (single sided, no legend, etc) |
| 02:54.03 | bhima | 4pcb.com is good if you want everything and want it big. |
| 02:54.11 | bhima | double sided silk screens even. |
| 02:57.36 | prpplague | bhima: what does it mean "one part number per order" ? |
| 03:00.08 | bhima | it means they won't make a board that has more than one desisgn. |
| 03:00.23 | bhima | so, say, if you have two different 3"x3" boards, they wont' consider that one 3x6 deign. |
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| 03:01.35 | TomW | I still have my money... |
| 03:01.56 | prpplague | TomW: what? |
| 03:02.20 | prpplague | bhima: ok but what if i put 3 of the same design on one board? |
| 03:02.50 | TomW | maybe the webpal is some kind of Christmas joke. Dunno, but I would expect a surplus dealer to hop to it to get any fool's money that wanted to purchase his junk? |
| 03:03.04 | prpplague | TomW: i dl'd eagle, workds great |
| 03:03.14 | sorphin | ummm |
| 03:03.16 | sorphin | tom |
| 03:03.17 | TomW | Fairly good product. |
| 03:03.21 | bhima | prp: no. |
| 03:03.23 | TomW | sorphin: yo? |
| 03:03.24 | sorphin | be patience for pete's sake |
| 03:03.26 | sorphin | :P |
| 03:03.34 | TomW | >:-O |
| 03:03.43 | TomW | >>:-O |
| 03:03.46 | prpplague | TomW: i expect i'll call tomorrow to confirm my order |
| 03:03.58 | sorphin | not everywhere is instant on that day ;p |
| 03:04.05 | TomW | no? |
| 03:04.09 | sorphin | no |
| 03:04.17 | sorphin | c'mon you know that |
| 03:04.36 | prpplague | bhima: hmm, that makes an expensive board a $33 |
| 03:04.37 | TomW | Hmm, maybe he checks his web operation every two weeks or so, you may be right. |
| 03:05.00 | prpplague | TomW: i bet i doesn't clear until in the morning |
| 03:05.02 | sorphin | or MAYBE you haven't gotten mail cuz.. *gasp* it hasn't shipped yet |
| 03:05.06 | sorphin | and |
| 03:05.12 | bhima | prp: unless you get a big board, yeah... |
| 03:05.24 | sorphin | hmm.. could it be... $ xfers aren't always instant either |
| 03:05.31 | sorphin | w/ credit cards |
| 03:05.34 | TomW | sorphin: I'll show 'em, I'll cancel my order with them and fsking get it someplace else! >:-O |
| 03:06.02 | TomW | heh, felt good to say that, stupid, but good. |
| 03:06.07 | prpplague | bhima: what does a 2 layer 3x3 usually cost? |
| 03:07.21 | TomW | sorphin: you know, he is probably like BZFlag. He cannot take the order until he goes down into the basement to see if he has any left. |
| 03:07.24 | bhima | "usually". hrm. |
| 03:07.48 | bhima | prp: for quantitiess like that, usual is not really defined. |
| 03:08.51 | prpplague | bhima: http://www.4pcb.com/www.htm |
| 03:10.42 | bhima | I'm not sure if that's good or lame. bizarre. |
| 03:11.13 | TomW | prpplague: if you start a web account at 4pcb.com, you can use their PCB calculator to see _exactly_ what they would charge you to do a board. They guarentee the price that the calculator gives you. |
| 03:11.44 | TomW | jacques: you gone, or really here? |
| 03:12.27 | TomW | prpplague: hey, how come they made you a sysop? |
| 03:15.12 | prpplague | TomW: just did |
| 03:27.47 | bhima | blob 2.0.5-pre3, flash kernel syas: |
| 03:27.55 | bhima | configured for kernel in ramdisk. invalid argument. |
| 04:43.01 | kergoth | hey |
| 06:03.49 | MonMotha | http://www.dream-multimedia-tv.de/cat_eng/produkte/boxfeatures.php4 |
| 06:03.55 | MonMotha | too bad the work's already been done |
| 06:11.24 | MonMotha | wow that has to be a record |
| 06:11.31 | MonMotha | there's at least 7 "first posts" on this /. story |
| 06:11.48 | MonMotha | oh, and a imagine a beowulf... |
| 06:28.52 | bhima | hmm. the 0.6 image seems to not have an init or something. odd. |
| 06:55.40 | bhima | how do I give blob a different kernel on the boot command line? |
| 07:05.51 | bhima | anybody? I can't figure out how to load a different kernel via jffs2. |
| 07:15.38 | BZFlag | ~fishslap TomW for picking on BZFlag |
| 07:15.39 | | ACTION slaps TomW up side the head with a wet fish for picking on BZFlag |
| 07:16.42 | BZFlag | bhima: current tux blob can not take a different kernel. would be easy to add, but nobody has done it yet. |
| 07:32.08 | BZFlag | ~seen kergoth |
| 07:32.09 | | kergoth is currently on #opie #familiar #uclibc #picogui #tuxscreen #zaurus #elinux #handhelds.org #openzaurus. Has said a total of 165 messages. Is idling for 1h 33m 14s |
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| 15:01.11 | prpplague | morning guys |
| 15:01.28 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i got a UPS tracking number on my webpals |
| 15:15.14 | sorphin | ditto |
| 15:15.22 | sorphin | 11pm EST last night |
| 15:15.33 | prpplague | i got mine early this morning |
| 15:15.34 | sorphin | Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 23:07:06 -0500 (EST) |
| 15:15.34 | sorphin | From: pkginfo@ups.com |
| 16:02.12 | kergoth | morning |
| 16:02.19 | sorphin | lo |
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| 16:15.37 | TomW | paypal paid the surplus people. |
| 16:15.46 | TomW | goodie! |
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| 16:17.32 | prpplague | TomW: ya i got a UPS tracking number this morning |
| 16:18.03 | TomW | oh, I haven't checked my "discard" email account for anything yet. |
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| 16:20.13 | prpplague | TomW: well, made a little progress with eagle last night |
| 16:20.47 | TomW | you "made a little progress" or "made little progress"? |
| 16:20.49 | prpplague | TomW: i ordered some of the laserjet paper |
| 16:20.59 | prpplague | TomW: the first |
| 16:21.00 | TomW | heh |
| 16:21.43 | prpplague | TomW: i guess i'm lame, but i really like that autoroute function :) |
| 16:21.49 | TomW | Check plots are needed to check the footprints. Yeah, I usually make sure I have the parts that will be mounted on the boards, especially with SMT devices. |
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| 16:22.38 | prpplague | TomW: i'm gonna try making a couple of voltage regulator boards by hand |
| 16:22.51 | TomW | it seems that manufacturers of SMT parts want to have their own device naming: S0-8, SOP-8, SSOP-8, TSS0P-8, etc. |
| 16:23.18 | TomW | then they come up with crap like: MINI-8, SHRINK-8 |
| 16:24.12 | TomW | prpplague: you mean "tape & etch" your own boards? |
| 16:24.30 | sorphin | TomW: haven't etched a board in a while |
| 16:24.37 | sorphin | was a pain w/ what i had to do it w/ |
| 16:24.39 | prpplague | TomW: ya using that that laserjet image paper |
| 16:24.57 | sorphin | prpplague: hope you have a good iron ;) |
| 16:25.21 | TomW | sorphin: niether have I, I got tired of the chemical mess & smells in my house. I got out to a PCB house now and keep a budget just to make boards. |
| 16:25.32 | sorphin | yeah |
| 16:25.40 | sorphin | i prolly will do that soon |
| 16:25.53 | sorphin | for me it took too damn long to actually etch |
| 16:26.05 | prpplague | TomW: http://www.techniks.com/ |
| 16:26.07 | TomW | sorphin: then you have to drill the boards, then you have to fill the via's. |
| 16:26.12 | sorphin | all i had was the lil plastic etch tank |
| 16:26.18 | TomW | prpplague: BTDT |
| 16:26.30 | prpplague | TomW: ahh |
| 16:26.44 | prpplague | TomW: not worth the time for a beginer? |
| 16:26.53 | sorphin | TomW: yeah, i never had vias tho, thankfully nothing of mine was THAT advanced |
| 16:27.32 | TomW | prpplague: no, I didn't say that, just that it is great for single sided boards. Double sided boards are a pain to build, 'cause you got to align the layers. |
| 16:27.47 | sorphin | prpplague: self etching is fun at 1st, but it gets annoying after a while, plus what tom just said |
| 16:28.00 | sorphin | then there's cleanup ;) |
| 16:28.09 | sorphin | and the smell |
| 16:28.12 | TomW | sorphin: I did some 2 sided boards with the press-n-peel, you can do it, but, man(!), what a lot of work that is!!! |
| 16:28.14 | sorphin | and the drilling |
| 16:28.30 | prpplague | sorphin: ahh, right, i was only planning single sided |
| 16:28.33 | sorphin | TomW: the drilling is so much fun w/o a press |
| 16:28.42 | prpplague | TomW: i like to make small steps...... |
| 16:28.49 | sorphin | prpplague: even still |
| 16:29.02 | sorphin | prpplague: go ahead and do it.. you'll learn ;) |
| 16:29.10 | TomW | sorphin: I was even looking at getting setup with some of the conductive ink & multilayer 'at home' processes. Then I had what they call |
| 16:29.28 | TomW | "an awakening", as in 'what the fuck am I doing?' |
| 16:29.34 | sorphin | TomW: indeed |
| 16:30.07 | sorphin | TomW: ya know, those conductive ink pens are nice, but they suck if you're using there where you have to solder |
| 16:30.15 | sorphin | fucking burns the ink away |
| 16:30.27 | TomW | prpplague: if it ain't gonna break your bank account, use APC and accept the fact that you will probably mess a couple of boards up from time-to-time. |
| 16:30.41 | sorphin | or |
| 16:30.51 | sorphin | use 4pcb.com's free initial boards ;p |
| 16:31.35 | TomW | sorphin: naw, this was some process which you smeared ink onto virgin fiberglass, baked it on, then used UV light & a mask to burn off the un-needed ink. |
| 16:31.40 | sorphin | ok, so who of us lives closest to the surplus place? |
| 16:31.49 | TomW | NE PA |
| 16:32.06 | sorphin | TomW: um.. ok, you WERE insane to wanna try that ;p |
| 16:32.06 | TomW | heh, I live in Peeyay. |
| 16:32.23 | sorphin | TomW: eh.. go play on the turnpile ;p |
| 16:32.33 | sorphin | yes, i said turnPILE |
| 16:32.37 | TomW | ? |
| 16:32.46 | TomW | I though you meant Turnpike. |
| 16:32.49 | sorphin | just an affectionate name for that turnpile |
| 16:32.53 | sorphin | erm |
| 16:32.54 | sorphin | pike |
| 16:33.01 | TomW | actually, I live in Pennsyltuckey |
| 16:33.04 | sorphin | pile of shit ;p |
| 16:33.10 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:33.19 | sorphin | my sympathies |
| 16:33.56 | TomW | yeah, PA is the Crossroads of the NorthEaster US, just like Tennesse is the CrossRoads of the South... |
| 16:34.11 | sorphin | hmm |
| 16:34.17 | sorphin | ok so they're in santa clara |
| 16:34.25 | sorphin | should take 6 days to get here |
| 16:34.30 | sorphin | about |
| 16:34.45 | sorphin | since it's shipped just before the rush |
| 16:34.54 | TomW | Plus, I like in what is called the Pocono Mountains, we get an influx of Touristas on a regular basis. Clogs our roads up. |
| 16:35.14 | sorphin | TomW: you should get yours by new years... maybe ;) |
| 16:35.52 | sorphin | i hope everyone was smart enough to just use ground ;) |
| 16:35.56 | sorphin | else they got raped :P |
| 16:36.01 | sorphin | moreso than we did |
| 16:38.46 | prpplague | TomW: ya i just want to do a few boards just so i can get the feel of using eagle |
| 16:38.58 | prpplague | TomW: then get some boards made at 4pcb |
| 16:39.10 | prpplague | TomW: i'm gonna get some boards made for the hack kit |
| 16:39.15 | sorphin | bah |
| 16:39.35 | sorphin | prpplague: wear gloves |
| 16:39.45 | prpplague | sorphin: lol |
| 16:39.48 | sorphin | i'm serious |
| 16:39.59 | sorphin | etchent is not fun on your hands |
| 16:40.07 | sorphin | s/etchent/etchand/ |
| 16:40.09 | sorphin | grr |
| 16:40.13 | sorphin | you know wha ti mean |
| 16:40.50 | TomW | yeah, etchant stains the hell out of anything you get it on. It will stain formica counters, clothing, etc. |
| 16:40.58 | sorphin | skin |
| 16:41.28 | TomW | Ferric Chloride will, dunno about the Hydrated etchant, never used the Dry Etchants. |
| 16:41.28 | sorphin | prpplague: you'll want something to agitate it well |
| 16:41.39 | prpplague | jeeeze where i can find some of the geek woman on thinkgeek |
| 16:41.44 | sorphin | TomW: umm |
| 16:41.55 | sorphin | TomW: it's the same thing |
| 16:41.59 | sorphin | just dehydrated |
| 16:42.00 | TomW | oh,ok |
| 16:42.11 | sorphin | safer to transport dry actually |
| 16:42.21 | TomW | thought it was a different chemical. |
| 16:42.32 | sorphin | non dry etchant is a "hazardous chemical" |
| 16:42.51 | sorphin | UPS/FedEX won't touch it |
| 16:43.14 | sorphin | with good reason ;) |
| 16:43.23 | sorphin | if it leaks |
| 16:43.25 | TomW | Well, I got my tracking number, looks like the stuff may be here next Tuesday. Did you see the shipping weight? 10 pounds per unit?! |
| 16:43.26 | sorphin | ..... |
| 16:43.42 | sorphin | TomW: doesn't surprise me |
| 16:44.10 | TomW | no wonder the shipping costs were a bit high. For me, that is a reasonable rate to ship 10 lbs. from Ca to Pa. |
| 16:44.21 | sorphin | how much was your shipping? |
| 16:44.25 | sorphin | prolly the same as mine |
| 16:44.54 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:44.57 | sorphin | Sched Delivery |
| 16:45.00 | sorphin | Dec 16th |
| 16:45.10 | TomW | Well, they charged me $25.75 to ship 30 lbs. |
| 16:45.35 | sorphin | 2 Newcom Webpal w/ Wireless Keyboard & ModemCES10150 $12.95 $25.90 |
| 16:45.35 | sorphin | 1 Unibrain 1394 3-Port Ti PCI Firewire CardCRD10086 $12.95 $12.95 |
| 16:45.35 | sorphin | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
| 16:45.35 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:45.35 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:45.43 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:45.49 | TomW | probably double the cost, but then you have handling... (handling == profit). |
| 16:46.04 | TomW | sorphin: where you at? |
| 16:46.07 | sorphin | MO |
| 16:46.12 | sorphin | st louis |
| 16:46.13 | TomW | k |
| 16:46.21 | sorphin | grand total |
| 16:46.27 | sorphin | $57.90 :P |
| 16:46.40 | TomW | ok, so you did go for two of them. |
| 16:46.45 | sorphin | yup |
| 16:46.50 | sorphin | and a firewire card for $13 |
| 16:47.05 | TomW | probably going to be like the Tux, you get a couple, then are sorry you only got a couple. |
| 16:47.06 | sorphin | TI chipset |
| 16:47.13 | sorphin | hehe |
| 16:47.20 | TomW | sorphin: you going to use firewire on it? |
| 16:47.24 | sorphin | no |
| 16:47.28 | sorphin | tis for other use |
| 16:47.30 | TomW | oh |
| 16:47.40 | sorphin | there's no pci slot anyways ;p |
| 16:47.52 | TomW | all my computers have firewire built in already; http://www.freetech.com |
| 16:47.58 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:48.04 | sorphin | mine all have usb 1.1 :P |
| 16:48.13 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:48.14 | sorphin | shit |
| 16:48.27 | sorphin | it shipped from sunnyvale |
| 16:48.30 | TomW | I have several of their GT168 cases, they are the same size as a 2.5" thick three ring binder |
| 16:48.48 | sorphin | i coulda had my friend nick pick the damn things up and ship to me for cheaper ;p |
| 16:48.53 | TomW | heh |
| 16:48.55 | sorphin | or even jacques |
| 16:48.59 | sorphin | he lives in sunnyvale |
| 16:49.02 | TomW | naw, not jacques |
| 16:49.09 | sorphin | don't trust him? ;) |
| 16:49.47 | TomW | jacques doesn't have the time, not that I don't trust or anything like that, just he is so busy running around looking for work. |
| 16:49.58 | TomW | web techie |
| 16:50.01 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:50.08 | sorphin | he had time when i was out in sunnyvale |
| 16:50.27 | TomW | sunnyvale in the north / south CA? |
| 16:50.28 | sorphin | s |
| 16:50.36 | sorphin | south bay |
| 16:50.47 | TomW | San Francisco then |
| 16:50.49 | sorphin | no |
| 16:50.59 | sorphin | san fran is west bay ;p |
| 16:50.59 | TomW | LA? |
| 16:51.09 | sorphin | uhh too far south ;p |
| 16:51.22 | TomW | I spent a summer in Santa Cruz (southwest of San Jose) |
| 16:51.33 | sorphin | it's south of san jose a lil |
| 16:51.39 | TomW | lotta drugs, man. |
| 16:51.53 | TomW | whew, the lost summer. |
| 16:52.10 | sorphin | never even tried any drugs |
| 16:52.12 | TomW | LSD, Qauludes, and Reds. |
| 16:52.12 | sorphin | never will |
| 16:52.36 | TomW | sorphin: good way to do it, no drugs. |
| 16:52.43 | sorphin | and not because my mommy said not to, nor because of these useless commercials |
| 16:52.48 | TomW | I wasted a lot of years on that shit. |
| 16:52.57 | sorphin | just because i have better things to do w/ my time |
| 16:53.16 | sorphin | i'm fucked up enough w/o help ;p |
| 16:53.45 | sorphin | ok, so i'll get mine before you |
| 16:53.58 | TomW | I recall having a job that required a security clearance one time, I had to quit 'cause I couldn't remember just where I was most of that year... |
| 16:54.00 | sorphin | prpplague: what's the delivery date on yours? |
| 16:55.44 | TomW | I always order three of something: one for me, one to destroy, and one for parts / replacement. |
| 16:56.30 | TomW | I think that I am going to have to reverse engineer the electronics so if I need to modify it, I can. |
| 16:56.51 | sorphin | apparently the flash on htese things sucks |
| 16:57.01 | TomW | Have you ever looked at the RESET specs on those Cirrus chips? |
| 16:57.03 | sorphin | wonder if i's the same kinda flash simms cisco uses |
| 16:57.09 | sorphin | if so |
| 16:57.11 | sorphin | i have some of those |
| 16:57.35 | sorphin | 4M'ers |
| 16:57.41 | sorphin | and up |
| 16:57.49 | TomW | naw, they use the 28Fxxx stuff wasn't it? That uses a 12volt line to allow programming, they are not single supply. |
| 16:58.04 | sorphin | 29 |
| 16:58.05 | sorphin | not 28 |
| 16:58.14 | sorphin | but they're simms |
| 16:58.25 | sorphin | which is what made me wonder |
| 16:58.42 | sorphin | i'll see when they show up what htey have |
| 16:59.19 | sorphin | mostly atmel and sst tho |
| 16:59.47 | TomW | yeah, the atmel 29Fxxx series, IIRC that is a single supply |
| 16:59.55 | sorphin | no |
| 16:59.57 | sorphin | not atmel |
| 16:59.58 | sorphin | AMD |
| 17:00.24 | TomW | Hmm, I have a 2Meg Flash simm here that I purchased for the CL-PS7500FE EVB that I have. |
| 17:01.53 | kergoth | whatll the performance be like on the webpals? |
| 17:02.09 | prpplague | kergoth: about that of the agenda :( |
| 17:02.09 | TomW | that EVB has 28F160 chips on the Flash SIMM |
| 17:02.21 | prpplague | kergoth: or like a 486dx-33 |
| 17:02.27 | TomW | kergoth: about that of a 486-DX33 |
| 17:02.28 | sorphin | kergoth: 486dx33'ish |
| 17:02.30 | sorphin | heh |
| 17:02.47 | TomW | kergoth: about 40 MIPS |
| 17:02.48 | kergoth | heh, gotcha |
| 17:02.48 | sorphin | in other words, i wouldn't compile ON it ;p |
| 17:02.51 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:02.57 | kergoth | figured, was just curious |
| 17:03.05 | TomW | kergoth: did you order one? |
| 17:03.08 | sorphin | man i rememebr taht shit |
| 17:03.18 | sorphin | when a kernel compile took me 2 hours |
| 17:03.25 | sorphin | man that sucked |
| 17:03.34 | TomW | sorphin: yeah, I recall doing kernel compiles on a 486-DX2/66 |
| 17:03.38 | kergoth | TomW: nah didnt have time last night, will likely do so now |
| 17:03.44 | kergoth | TomW: wonder how many those guys have in stock |
| 17:03.45 | sorphin | kergoth: heh |
| 17:03.57 | TomW | kergoth: better NOT find out and get one now. |
| 17:04.00 | sorphin | kergoth: you may not get it before xmas now ;p |
| 17:04.03 | TomW | :) |
| 17:04.22 | sorphin | the cutoff before "the rush" was 3pm PST yesterday ;p |
| 17:04.30 | kergoth | TomW: good point |
| 17:05.09 | sorphin | hope these damn HDDs show today |
| 17:06.20 | TomW | heh, it would be cool to have your telephone integrated into your TV, eh? |
| 17:06.35 | sorphin | eh? |
| 17:07.04 | sorphin | put down the bong and explain yourself :P |
| 17:07.20 | TomW | Ahh, computer show this weekend. Think I'll go and see if there are any more surplus notebook IDE drives available. |
| 17:07.26 | TomW | sorphin: heh |
| 17:07.43 | TomW | sorphin: cigars only now. |
| 17:07.51 | sorphin | anyways |
| 17:07.53 | sorphin | explain :P |
| 17:07.59 | sorphin | where'd that phone+tv come from ;p |
| 17:08.27 | prpplague | i heard someone say that the webpals are sold out |
| 17:08.57 | sorphin | kergoth may be sol |
| 17:09.03 | sorphin | nothing new there ;) |
| 17:09.21 | TomW | 5.4GB EIDE 12MM 2.5 NOTEBOOK HARD DRIVE |
| 17:09.29 | TomW | $32 on pricewatch. |
| 17:09.35 | sorphin | heh |
| 17:10.28 | sorphin | i just love garbage like this |
| 17:10.30 | sorphin | Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:55:29 UT |
| 17:10.30 | sorphin | From: Technical Advisor <reply-89127460-6803@mailtonic.net> |
| 17:10.30 | sorphin | TomW: Dan Stagner <dans@fysh.org> |
| 17:10.30 | sorphin | Subject: Caution: Your Internet connection really needs to be fixed |
| 17:10.34 | sorphin | umm |
| 17:10.36 | sorphin | no it doesn't |
| 17:10.58 | TomW | some of those used parts dealer seriously brain-damaged! One guy wants $99 for a 3.2Gig pull. |
| 17:11.02 | TomW | sheesh. |
| 17:11.03 | sorphin | i love the scam behind these "net connection boosters" |
| 17:11.26 | prpplague | TomW: ya and you have to watch out for used dealers who intentionaly sell bad parts |
| 17:11.28 | sorphin | and feel sorry for anyone that actually buys/uses the shit |
| 17:11.41 | TomW | social engineering: scare Mom & Pop into purchasing "the solution". |
| 17:11.54 | sorphin | yup |
| 17:12.09 | prpplague | my mother-in-law actually paid for a product that install sub-7 on her winblows pc |
| 17:12.20 | sorphin | sub-7 ? |
| 17:12.34 | prpplague | sorphin: a back orifice type app |
| 17:12.41 | sorphin | oh, lovely |
| 17:12.45 | TomW | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:12.51 | TomW | New for $81 |
| 17:13.01 | prpplague | sorphin: $29.95 |
| 17:13.12 | sorphin | prpplague: and people wonder why i don't buy sw ;p |
| 17:13.25 | prpplague | lol |
| 17:13.50 | sorphin | oh wait, that's right.. i'm unethical :P |
| 17:13.58 | TomW | I got to move to California, seems like most of the computer parts dealers are out there. |
| 17:14.07 | sorphin | TomW: duh |
| 17:14.12 | TomW | for what I'd save on shipping, I could pay the rent. |
| 17:14.21 | sorphin | the silicon valley is still the silicon valley ;p |
| 17:14.41 | sorphin | and i doubt it |
| 17:14.46 | sorphin | rent tain't cheap |
| 17:15.02 | TomW | heh, yeah, about as expensive as living in New Jersey. |
| 17:15.11 | sorphin | my friend daniel pays $1700 a month (last i asked him) for a 1 bedroom apt in walnut creek |
| 17:15.19 | TomW | and, just as many screwball laws too. |
| 17:15.35 | sorphin | who would WANT to live in jersey? :P |
| 17:15.42 | TomW | heh |
| 17:15.47 | TomW | Democrats |
| 17:16.10 | sorphin | "I think i'll go buy a place in south central LA" :P |
| 17:16.19 | TomW | the Democrats have created their own sanctuary, it is called "New Jersey" |
| 17:16.40 | sorphin | TomW: democrats, republicans, it doesn't matter |
| 17:16.42 | sorphin | they all suck |
| 17:16.53 | kergoth | sorphin: here here |
| 17:17.10 | sorphin | people don't go into politics to "make a difference" |
| 17:17.13 | TomW | that is why PA is so heavily Republican, they emmigrated here from NJ |
| 17:17.29 | sorphin | they might think they are at 1st, but they're REALLY going in because they want the power/money |
| 17:17.41 | kergoth | sorphin: as douglas adams said, those who are capable of getting themselves in charge should by no means be allowed to do the job |
| 17:17.49 | sorphin | right |
| 17:18.04 | TomW | I am a registerd "Non-Partison", meaning I didn't like "any of the above" political affilations when I registered to vote. |
| 17:18.25 | sorphin | when i was registered to vote |
| 17:18.36 | sorphin | it was done when i renewed my drivers license :P |
| 17:18.41 | sorphin | i'm non affiliated ;p |
| 17:18.43 | TomW | "name the three branches of the Federal Government" |
| 17:18.51 | sorphin | TomW: that's easy |
| 17:18.55 | TomW | "crooks, liars, and theives" |
| 17:19.05 | TomW | heh |
| 17:19.06 | sorphin | Democrats, Republicans and Liberals |
| 17:19.08 | sorphin | ;p |
| 17:19.15 | TomW | naw, "crooks, liars, and theives" |
| 17:19.24 | sorphin | nah, that's just 1 branch ;) |
| 17:19.31 | sorphin | x3 |
| 17:19.50 | TomW | oh? then that was the beaurocrats I just named then? |
| 17:20.00 | sorphin | prolly |
| 17:20.08 | TomW | k |
| 17:20.17 | sorphin | this last election |
| 17:20.37 | TomW | got to work now, :( |
| 17:20.42 | sorphin | doesn't matter which screwball gets voted for, they all fuck everything up |
| 17:20.53 | sorphin | have "fun" |
| 17:22.39 | sorphin | exiting? when the hell did he even sneak in? |
| 17:28.09 | Russ|werk | morning |
| 17:28.16 | sorphin | lo russ |
| 17:28.49 | sorphin | eh? |
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| 18:09.31 | sorphin | ok, who of you freaks is a zaurus junkie? :P |
| 18:10.05 | sorphin | kergoth: that must mean you're one ;p |
| 18:10.11 | sorphin | damn digis |
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| 18:11.16 | sorphin | ~fishslap kergoth |
| 18:11.17 | | ACTION slaps kergoth up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 18:11.21 | sorphin | get back here bitch |
| 18:11.32 | kergoth | ~rlart |
| 18:11.39 | sorphin | ;) |
| 18:12.11 | sorphin | anyways |
| 18:12.18 | sorphin | kergoth: so are you or are you not one? :P |
| 18:12.20 | Russ|werk | kergoth: you have really bad aim |
| 18:12.22 | sorphin | (i ask for a real reason) |
| 18:12.39 | kergoth | Russ|werk: hehe |
| 18:12.50 | kergoth | sorphin: something like that. what do ya need? |
| 18:13.01 | Russ|werk | nuttin |
| 18:13.05 | Russ|werk | or, sorphin |
| 18:13.09 | Russ|werk | er |
| 18:13.12 | Russ|werk | oh, sorphin |
| 18:13.27 | sorphin | go back to sleep russ ;) |
| 18:13.35 | sorphin | kergoth: thikning about buying one |
| 18:15.09 | Russ|werk | heh |
| 18:15.12 | kergoth | sorphin: k... |
| 18:15.33 | Russ|werk | if we order from 4pcb, we have to make it *apear* that the board isn't panelized to avoid a $50 charge |
| 18:15.48 | sorphin | Russ|werk: that should be fun |
| 18:15.56 | sorphin | kergoth: i was looking for opinion on it :P |
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| 18:16.28 | Russ|werk | sorphin: just make some traces connecting the different boards, make some rows of hears around the edge, add some qfp's in the dead space |
| 18:16.36 | Russ|werk | s/hears/headers/ |
| 18:16.50 | kergoth | sorphin: well, for the most part its a solid unit. its stuck on 2.4.6 and its driver code leaves a lot to be desired, but it works well in general. |
| 18:17.46 | sorphin | Russ|werk: think it'll be enough to get by their QA ? |
| 18:18.41 | Russ|werk | sorphin: hopefully, especially if some shanip2 boards are mixed in |
| 18:18.50 | sorphin | yeah |
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| 18:50.51 | CosmicPenguin | Good morning |
| 18:51.05 | sorphin | lo jordo |
| 18:51.09 | CosmicPenguin | whats up? |
| 18:51.34 | CosmicPenguin | Any news on our toys? |
| 18:51.45 | sorphin | tracking #s all around |
| 18:51.56 | sorphin | cept kergoth who didn't order yet ;p |
| 19:09.50 | CosmicPenguin | I have a tracking number as well... :) |
| 19:10.44 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: how many times have I told you not to listen to me? |
| 19:11.16 | Russ|werk | I have *a* tracking number |
| 19:11.16 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I looked at those RS232 widgets last night, and the pins are already angled in the right direction, so chalk one up for me being an idiot |
| 19:11.34 | Russ|werk | I'd like to get a secord tracking number...aparently there is some issue with the boss |
| 19:11.49 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: you should get yours 1st |
| 19:11.54 | sorphin | so let us know how it is |
| 19:17.41 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: yep, I should see mine tommorrow |
| 19:18.00 | sorphin | won't happen |
| 19:18.10 | sorphin | ups is required to try one attempt |
| 19:18.15 | sorphin | now... if it were fedex |
| 19:18.15 | CosmicPenguin | bastards |
| 19:18.25 | sorphin | yo ucould call now and tell em to hold it ;p |
| 19:18.30 | CosmicPenguin | Well, then, I guess I won't get mine first |
| 19:18.48 | Russ|werk | just have them deliver to your office instead of home |
| 19:18.51 | sorphin | UPS = Useless Piece of Shit after all |
| 19:19.01 | sorphin | Russ|werk: dunno if he can get them to reroute |
| 19:19.05 | sorphin | ups is really picky |
| 19:19.23 | sorphin | least not till the 1st attempt |
| 19:21.45 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: lol |
| 19:21.58 | CosmicPenguin | Can I leave a note on the door that says "Dear Mr. UPS guy, please leave it on the back porch, love Cosmic"? |
| 19:22.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya well, you should remember not to listen to me either.... |
| 19:22.17 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: nope |
| 19:22.24 | sorphin | welll |
| 19:22.25 | sorphin | maybe |
| 19:22.34 | sorphin | depends on if "signature required" is flaged ;p |
| 19:23.10 | sorphin | no neighbor(s) you trust? |
| 19:23.58 | prpplague | sorphin: he lives in utah, can't trust anyone there :) |
| 19:24.13 | sorphin | prpplague: thought only texASS was like that? ;) |
| 19:24.40 | prpplague | sorphin: no you can trust just about everyone in texas :) |
| 19:24.46 | sorphin | riiight |
| 19:24.55 | sorphin | trust them to shaft you ;p |
| 19:24.56 | prpplague | sorphin: hell, i don't lock my house and i usually leave my keys in the ignition |
| 19:25.04 | sorphin | umm |
| 19:25.14 | sorphin | prpplague: you're also a naive country boy ;) |
| 19:25.47 | prpplague | lol, well i'm not along |
| 19:26.05 | sorphin | along ? |
| 19:26.31 | prpplague | sorphin: remember, in texas its legal to kill anyone you find in house or car |
| 19:26.33 | prpplague | alone |
| 19:27.02 | sorphin | prpplague: well, considering our current president is a product of texas |
| 19:27.06 | sorphin | that says a lot ;) |
| 19:27.08 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: lol |
| 19:27.55 | CosmicPenguin | Well, either way it doesn't matter until we get this RS232 thing out of the way |
| 19:28.03 | CosmicPenguin | Otherwise, I'll just have a pretty box to look at |
| 19:28.38 | Russ|werk | hmmm...google downtime |
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| 19:34.02 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: why do I get the feeling that the pins on your RS232 adapter don't exactly match the pinout on the board? |
| 19:35.17 | Russ|werk | rs232 adapters can go one of two ways |
| 19:35.24 | Russ|werk | at least the 9 pin ones |
| 19:37.42 | CosmicPenguin | Question - how does an @ sign translate in a URL? |
| 19:43.48 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ahh spam the legal way for assholes to let 10million people know they are assholes |
| 19:46.51 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: it fasinates me. They have some l33t skillz, thats for sure... :) |
| 19:51.23 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: translate ? |
| 19:51.52 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: obviously, the @ isn't part of the URL - so how does the browser deal with it? |
| 19:51.53 | sorphin | in a url an @ goes before the hostname and after a login:pw |
| 19:52.17 | sorphin | it knows that if htere's an @ there's authentication info before it and just tosses it along |
| 19:52.41 | prpplague | you guys feel as helpless as i do with regards to these DMCA cases? |
| 19:52.59 | sorphin | prpplague: he who has the $ wins the case |
| 19:53.25 | sorphin | re: spam, i'm glad that shithead got a taste of his own medicine |
| 19:53.26 | prpplague | sorphin: thats normally true when the masses don't take heart |
| 19:53.35 | prpplague | sorphin: ya mee too |
| 19:53.47 | prpplague | sorphin: i just wish it would continue |
| 19:53.56 | sorphin | i get at *minimum* 26 spam emails a day |
| 19:54.09 | sorphin | usually more |
| 19:54.21 | prpplague | i just feel like i need to do something to help with the DMCA shit |
| 19:54.33 | sorphin | spamassassin is fairly good at catching it, but sometimes lets a couple through or flags something as spam that isn't |
| 19:54.56 | prpplague | i can't seem to get the korean spam filtered |
| 19:55.13 | sorphin | heh |
| 19:55.20 | sorphin | using |
| 19:58.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hey does term support 25 lines? |
| 20:00.07 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: yeah, whatever LINES says |
| 20:00.38 | CosmicPenguin | If you are using *less* than 25 lines, though, you may quietly and violently revert back to VT100 mode |
| 20:04.02 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: lots of IDE pains on the kernel mailing list doay |
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| 20:05.48 | sorphin | sjhill: there you are |
| 20:05.55 | sjhill | here i am |
| 20:05.57 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i told you :P |
| 20:06.37 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: that "new code" is crap |
| 20:08.31 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm, i'm not seeing a LINES entry in the docs :( |
| 20:17.50 | prpplague | oh hell no, i know i didn't just get spamed by m$ |
| 20:17.57 | sorphin | hehe |
| 20:18.08 | sorphin | prolly not a legit M$ addr |
| 20:18.15 | sorphin | most headers are forged |
| 20:19.56 | prpplague | sorphin: this was legit |
| 20:20.31 | prpplague | sorphin: i can't figure out how i got on the mailing list, i _never_ do anything with m$ |
| 20:20.37 | sorphin | hmm |
| 20:20.43 | sorphin | maybe someone did it to torture you :P |
| 20:21.11 | prpplague | Please note that it can take up to eight weeks to update customer |
| 20:21.12 | prpplague | information in our database; therefore, you may receive e-mail from us |
| 20:21.12 | prpplague | within that time period. |
| 20:21.12 | prpplague | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:21.30 | sorphin | hahaha |
| 20:21.38 | prpplague | what the hell? is their db software that bad? |
| 20:22.07 | prpplague | they can register you fucking xp in 30 seconds yet they can't update their spam list in 8 weeks? |
| 20:24.22 | prpplague | DMCA, DeCSS, IE only web sites, hardware vendors that don't/won't support linux |
| 20:25.48 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: well, i tend to disagree, most anti-microsoft ppl are they because of non-open standards |
| 20:25.57 | prpplague | s/they/there |
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| 20:26.43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i mean look at scifi channels web site, who do they think is their audience? |
| 20:26.59 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: why make sooo many pages that are winblows only pages? |
| 20:27.13 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: or the LotR page? |
| 20:27.15 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: sadly, you gotta market to your audience |
| 20:27.27 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: even /. sees well more than 50% IE usage |
| 20:27.52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya but it doesn't take much to make a page usuable cross-platform |
| 20:28.12 | prpplague | neither do i |
| 20:28.19 | prpplague | but that doesn't make it right |
| 20:28.23 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: not if you are running on a IIS server with Frontpage... :) |
| 20:28.33 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: granted |
| 20:29.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: but you'd think that the marketing ppl with places like scifi and LotR sites would realize that their audience is more than likely to be geeks |
| 20:30.24 | CosmicPenguin | heh, well, like I said... more than 50% of /. readership is running M$, but your point is well taken |
| 20:30.38 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: and what about the DeCSS stuff? hell, i've found two programs for sale in the US for duplicating dvds under winblows, and no one has charged them with DMCA violations |
| 20:31.01 | CosmicPenguin | Sadly, though, you could take all of the Linux geeks in the world and ship them to Mars, and it still wouldn't make a wit of difference... :) |
| 20:31.14 | CosmicPenguin | I think our biggest problem is that we don't realize that |
| 20:31.23 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: agreed, but its better than it was 4 years ago |
| 20:31.33 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I don't know what to say about DeCSS - thats all crap and they know it |
| 20:32.30 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: not that I'm a huge Microsoft fan or anything, but I do know that no matter how elitist I act, it won't matter |
| 20:32.51 | CosmicPenguin | It will just piss off the sales guy at Circuit City, but thats enjoyable in its own right... :) |
| 20:33.11 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: agreed |
| 20:33.23 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: just let me say that the license to get the CSS code is $10,000 |
| 20:33.38 | CosmicPenguin | So don't ever think that money doesn't fit into the equation.... :) |
| 20:33.40 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'll never forget the guy's look when i broke my free XP cd in half and asked him to put it in the trash |
| 20:34.44 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: well thats the other thing, acording to the DeCSS case testimony, several companies tried to buy the license to use under linux and they wouldn't sell it to them |
| 20:35.58 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: same here |
| 20:36.47 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Well, there can't be a risk to open it up |
| 20:37.01 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: but anyone can buy the Redbook, you just have to sign lots of NDA forms |
| 20:38.03 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.dvdforum.org/format-format.htm |
| 20:40.24 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'll have to go back and re-read the testimony again |
| 20:41.03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm just worried about broader implications of the DMCA |
| 20:42.01 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I support all the court cases we can muster |
| 20:42.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i mean, will i be prosecuted if i write a shell script to rip a video tape to vcd? |
| 20:42.25 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: see, you won't be prosecuted, they'll just use the law to bully you |
| 20:42.39 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: because if you get prosecuted, they run the major risk of getting the law struck down |
| 20:42.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: agreed |
| 20:43.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: well i've been going to local GOP meetings trying to inform ppl, but its dam hard getting ppl to think about the bigger picture |
| 20:43.35 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Whatever we do, we can't eliminate the basic American right to "guity by reason of smaller bank account" </sarcasm> |
| 20:43.48 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I'm sure a good amount of that falls on dead ears at a GOP meeting |
| 20:44.18 | prpplague | prpplague: well, the listen, i'm not sure they understand |
| 20:44.27 | prpplague | s/the/they |
| 20:51.58 | CosmicPenguin | hmm..... My VIA audio is finally in 2.4.20-ac2. Should I bail outta alsa? |
| 21:10.19 | CosmicPenguin | "as an avid RPGer, I know we have nothing to do with cool. While we're sitting in a basement rolling dice, swilling Mountain Dew and other snacks while pretending to be mighty warriors in an alternate universe, cool people are out doing lines off naked women because they can." |
| 21:10.37 | CosmicPenguin | Thats a geek with a sense of perspective... :) |
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| 21:12.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: where did you see that? |
| 21:12.42 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: it was in one of the stories about RPG design on /. |
| 21:13.07 | prpplague | lol, ya that pretty much sums up my views |
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| 21:30.27 | sorphin | re tim |
| 21:31.27 | sorphin | prpplague: i'm like that every day |
| 21:32.29 | prpplague | if i have to test one more usb flat bed scanner i'm gonna go insane |
| 21:35.30 | prpplague | sorphin: as long as they aren't usb |
| 21:35.33 | prpplague | scsi ok |
| 21:35.38 | prpplague | parport ok |
| 21:35.41 | prpplague | usb bad |
| 21:35.42 | sorphin | nope |
| 21:35.45 | sorphin | they're all usb ;) |
| 21:36.50 | sorphin | prpplague: just strangle file w/ em ;) |
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| 21:37.58 | prpplague | Morn: welcome there |
| 21:38.13 | Morn | :-) |
| 21:38.26 | Russ|werk | you mean "welcome here"? |
| 21:39.41 | CosmicPenguin | where ever you go, there you are.... so welcome there is a perfectly valid greating |
| 21:39.49 | CosmicPenguin | or greeting |
| 21:40.14 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: morn was looking for you anyways ;p |
| 21:40.32 | Morn | Jordan: I was just hoping to get an update on pixil |
| 21:40.40 | sorphin | prpplague: btw.. you got lucky and didn't mention this channel after file appeared... DON'T tell him, please ;p |
| 21:40.46 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: bbias |
| 21:46.21 | prpplague | sorphin: its in the #tuxscreen topic |
| 21:46.45 | sorphin | prpplague: well, since he's not in here, i doubt he reads that ;p |
| 21:46.54 | prpplague | sorphin: good point |
| 21:46.56 | sorphin | i was just meaning don't give him any more hints ;p |
| 21:47.47 | prpplague | hmm, i'm wondering if i can etch boards after having a 6 pack of guinness...... |
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| 21:47.56 | sorphin | prolly |
| 21:48.15 | Russ|werk | how can you welcome someone somewhere you aren't at |
| 21:48.33 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: you can do it, but your skill will be approximately equal to mine at that point |
| 21:48.47 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: still no news, I've been lazy and working on other stuff lately |
| 21:49.07 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: but I have been working on getting the latest MIcrowindows ported to the tuxscreen, so I guess that counts |
| 21:49.40 | Morn | cool |
| 21:49.41 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: add in that I injured my back somehow, and factor in the 3 hours of Simpsons Skateboarding that I have been playing lately, and you've got yourself a good excuse |
| 21:49.43 | CosmicPenguin | RIght? :) |
| 21:50.12 | Morn | when I tried the latest buildroot the resulting microwindows image didn't even boot fully |
| 21:52.50 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: yeah, tis broken |
| 21:53.10 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: then it's inline w/ the picogui i had to work around ;) |
| 21:53.28 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: what? |
| 21:53.39 | sorphin | if it's broken |
| 21:53.56 | sorphin | it' slike the picogui stuff i had to have scanline tell me how to work around the other day ;) |
| 21:57.51 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: yeah, I guess. |
| 21:58.04 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: but Microwindows doesn't work as well as Picogui, so your comment wasn't very factual... |
| 21:58.17 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i was trying to be nice ;) |
| 21:59.02 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: at this point ,we don't need your pity. Everyone else tells us that we suck, you might as well too |
| 21:59.13 | sorphin | nah |
| 21:59.55 | CosmicPenguin | But I have a real live copy of Win98 right here, so its ok... :) |
| 22:00.01 | sorphin | uh huh |
| 22:00.01 | BZFlag | http://msdn.protier.com/admin/skins/vsdemo/vssignup.aspx <- "Try Visual Studio .NET for free" ... hides most of the required input fields if you are not on window. hahahaha |
| 22:01.24 | BZFlag | well in mozilla at least. lynx seems to work. |
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| 22:03.03 | sorphin | hmm |
| 22:03.05 | sorphin | since i'm bored |
| 22:03.18 | sorphin | i know how morn got her nick, and obviously how tim got his... |
| 22:03.27 | sorphin | kergoth: how'd you get yours digiboy? |
| 22:04.11 | kergoth | sorphin: completely random, pulled it out of my ass |
| 22:04.35 | sorphin | heh |
| 22:04.52 | kergoth | sorphin: you? |
| 22:05.36 | sorphin | picked it when i was mudding.. i had a mage named morphy, needed a new name for my triple class, somehow came up w/ sorphin |
| 22:07.44 | CosmicPenguin | dangit |
| 22:07.50 | CosmicPenguin | My fonts have gone screwy.. :) |
| 22:07.52 | CosmicPenguin | brb |
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| 22:11.07 | sorphin | i'm not even gonna ask where cosmicpenguin came from ;p |
| 22:12.11 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: there is some head shop in town called the Cosmic Penguin. I heard the name on the radio and I thought it was pretty cool |
| 22:12.31 | sorphin | thought it mighta been linux related ;) |
| 22:12.43 | CosmicPenguin | Well, the penguin bit is of course |
| 22:12.50 | sorphin | yeah |
| 22:12.53 | CosmicPenguin | if it would have been the cosmic elephant it wouldn't have been as cool |
| 22:13.26 | CosmicPenguin | heh - cosmicpenguin.com still hasn't been renewed - I might be able to grab it |
| 22:13.31 | sorphin | true |
| 22:13.32 | sorphin | and yup |
| 22:13.42 | sorphin | ASSUMING it ever actually expires expires |
| 22:13.51 | sorphin | i've seen expired domains sit there for months |
| 22:13.57 | sorphin | they never get "retracted" |
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| 22:36.12 | bhima | I have googled a lot, and can't figure out - how do I get blob to boot a different kernel via jffs2? |
| 22:40.11 | CosmicPenguin | My fiance will be happy... :) |
| 22:41.44 | bhima | your fiance likes microsoft fonts? |
| 22:41.55 | CosmicPenguin | bhima: as far as I know, it fires up /boot/zImage |
| 22:42.15 | bhima | it fires up /boot/linux :) |
| 22:42.20 | bhima | and I want to test a new kernel. |
| 22:42.29 | CosmicPenguin | bhima: Ok, so replace the files |
| 22:42.31 | bhima | without having to reflash the filesystem each time uing blob. |
| 22:42.40 | bhima | erm. I don't know if the kernel work. |
| 22:42.43 | CosmicPenguin | Its JFFS2 - you can change individual files you know |
| 22:43.58 | bhima | sure. I tried that. it didn't like my kernel. I do not know why it didn't like it. and it's tedious and annoying to reload everything slowly over serial when I have ethernet there. |
| 22:45.25 | Morn | Dec 11 17:46:25 laptop kernel: ttyS15 at 0x1c00 (irq = 10) is a PCTel |
| 22:45.30 | Morn | why ttyS15? |
| 22:45.40 | Morn | I don't have 16 tty's |
| 22:46.14 | Morn | err 16 serial devices |
| 22:46.49 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: maybe it was just trying to be nice |
| 22:46.59 | Morn | and I'm using devfs |
| 22:47.04 | Morn | just seems odd |
| 22:47.20 | Russ|werk | could be a device that keeps getting replugged |
| 22:47.22 | Russ|werk | is it USB? |
| 22:47.31 | bhima | it doesn't want to insult your manliness by suggesting that you only have one or two serial ports. |
| 22:47.33 | Morn | no, pctel winmodem |
| 22:47.55 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: most likely, it didn't want to take the time to figure out what serial ports you have available, so it picked a nice round number |
| 22:49.03 | Morn | trouble is when I open minicom with /dev/ttyS15 I don't get anything |
| 22:49.12 | Morn | I'm wondering if the driver is not devfs aware |
| 22:49.33 | sorphin | not many things are |
| 22:49.46 | Morn | devfs is the default in Mandrake |
| 22:49.52 | Morn | I usually turn it off |
| 22:49.56 | Morn | but I didn't yet on the laptop |
| 22:50.05 | sorphin | i tried it once, it sucked ass, i turned it back off |
| 22:50.10 | bhima | how do I create a downloadable jffs2 image on a device without flash? |
| 22:50.54 | Morn | well, I'm going to turn devfs off |
| 22:50.58 | Morn | I'll be back in a few |
| 22:56.51 | prpplague | me too |
| 22:57.00 | prpplague | my package is already in mesquite texas |
| 22:57.20 | CosmicPenguin | Sparks, NV for me |
| 22:57.38 | CosmicPenguin | That would be cool |
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| 22:58.02 | CosmicPenguin | Except that maybe there would be too many complaints - people would call up and complain that the driver was slacking off |
| 22:58.13 | bhima | bandwidth? |
| 22:58.17 | CosmicPenguin | "Tell him to get his fat ass out of the donut shop and deliver my damn package" |
| 22:58.21 | bhima | UPS has lots of trucks. |
| 22:59.16 | MonMotha | note to self: don't ship via MBE |
| 22:59.41 | MonMotha | they use their own tracking system which sucks, and the UPS tracking number they gave me doesn't seem to work (either that or UPS doesn't have it in yet, even though they should have the package) |
| 23:03.34 | bhima | are there any updated tuxscreen kernel build instructions around? I'm trying to figure out why my kernel is fscked... |
| 23:07.40 | MonMotha | what's it doing? |
| 23:07.45 | bhima | nothing. |
| 23:07.52 | MonMotha | nothing as in hanging? |
| 23:07.54 | bhima | just hangs. |
| 23:07.59 | MonMotha | where at? |
| 23:08.11 | bhima | after blob, it says "loadign kernel...." |
| 23:09.22 | MonMotha | did blob mention any trouble loading the kernel from flash? |
| 23:09.39 | MonMotha | I know I had a problem with blob not being able to load my kernel from jffs2 |
| 23:09.53 | MonMotha | rebuilding everything from scratch solved it...never figured out the problem |
| 23:10.00 | bhima | not that I recall. It did not do anything different from when it worked using pre=built kernels. |
| 23:10.11 | bhima | everything==...? |
| 23:10.33 | CosmicPenguin | mmmm...... Macrovision free..... |
| 23:10.45 | bhima | I jussst want a way to make blob load up a different kernel so I can do faster updates. |
| 23:11.20 | CosmicPenguin | bhima: well, if you have a borked kernel, there is nothing thats going to help you there |
| 23:11.41 | MonMotha | bhima: you can always xmodem the kernel over then type boot |
| 23:11.48 | MonMotha | that will load the kernel from ram, rather than flash |
| 23:12.11 | bhima | cosmic: being able to test it faster would at least help a bit :) |
| 23:12.27 | bhima | mon: ahh, so "xdownload kernel; boot" will make it boot from RAM? |
| 23:12.40 | MonMotha | yep |
| 23:12.58 | CosmicPenguin | bhima: I don't understand what you're saying - you can easily copy over the kernel if you have a working kernel, but a broken kernel means that you will have to reflash |
| 23:13.07 | MonMotha | you can also upload a new version of blob, then run "reblob" to check parts of your new bootloader out |
| 23:13.18 | CosmicPenguin | So if you have a bad kernel, speed won't help you |
| 23:13.35 | MonMotha | CosmicPenguin: not really...if you can get a working kernel on and get the system booted, you can then change the kernel in jffs2 out |
| 23:14.15 | CosmicPenguin | MonMotha: thats what I said |
| 23:14.29 | bhima | cosmic: right now (before monmotha's info) I need to copy a kernel over, replace it on the internal flash, test it, if it failss, I musst replace the jffs image over serail, and recopy a new kernel. |
| 23:14.41 | CosmicPenguin | bhima: correct |
| 23:14.43 | MonMotha | CosmicPenguin: oh, I thought you meant reflash the entire root fs |
| 23:14.47 | MonMotha | I'm doing kernel in jffs2 btw |
| 23:14.48 | bhima | cosmic: my goal would be to copy a kernel, reboot testing it, then reboot using the working kernel. |
| 23:15.00 | CosmicPenguin | bhima: hows your ARM assembly then? |
| 23:15.44 | bhima | cosmic: rusty. but do you understand how this would be faster? |
| 23:16.26 | CosmicPenguin | bhima: yeah, but the feature doesn't exist. Most of us just don't upload buggy kernels... :) |
| 23:16.42 | MonMotha | CosmicPenguin: I have :) |
| 23:16.57 | bhima | most people don't do their first kernel hacking on the tuxscreen. |
| 23:17.31 | MonMotha | bhima: I did :) |
| 23:17.56 | bhima | mon: excellent :) |
| 23:18.03 | bhima | I've never really needed to kernel hack anything else. |
| 23:18.13 | MonMotha | nor have I |
| 23:18.18 | bhima | and all I want to do right now is get rid of the UCB1200 support. |
| 23:18.33 | bhima | I'm not sure how I am eventually going to add touchscreen support. |
| 23:18.38 | MonMotha | bhima: btw, in wheaties.c there's a race condition you might want to fix if you're getting panics |
| 23:18.53 | bhima | mon: what does wheaties.c deal with? |
| 23:19.05 | bhima | is wheaties the DSP? |
| 23:19.18 | MonMotha | among other things |
| 23:19.22 | CosmicPenguin | MonMotha: are you going to ever post that patch to the Tuxscreen mailing list, or did I miss it? |
| 23:19.30 | MonMotha | CosmicPenguin: oh, thanks for reminding me |
| 23:19.40 | bhima | ahh. that's simple enough. I'll remove the wheaties support. |
| 23:19.44 | MonMotha | no, I never posted it :) |
| 23:20.00 | CosmicPenguin | seesh - holding back patches that people need.... thats something I would do |
| 23:20.10 | bhima | (since, erm, there is no wheaties on my new board :) |
| 23:20.37 | MonMotha | there are now ;) |
| 23:21.10 | CosmicPenguin | bhima: bottom like, grab the blob code and start hacking |
| 23:21.21 | CosmicPenguin | bhima: and make sure you have a jtag handy |
| 23:21.32 | MonMotha | CosmicPenguin: what needs hacking? |
| 23:21.44 | MonMotha | I know you can upload a kernel on the fly and boot it... |
| 23:21.54 | MonMotha | I did it for quite a while when I was playing with my broken image |
| 23:21.56 | bhima | cosmic: I don't have a jtag handy, and monmotha told me how to do the equivalent to what I wanted without hacking. |
| 23:22.16 | MonMotha | I think I may have a JTAG setup around here somewhere... :) |
| 23:22.22 | MonMotha | probably in a box somewhere |
| 23:23.32 | Russ|werk | bhima: what are you trying to do? |
| 23:23.53 | bhima | russ: I'm repackaging a tuxscreen usign its standard motherboard and a custom daughterboard. |
| 23:24.15 | Russ|werk | ah, cool |
| 23:24.22 | bhima | it's going in my car. |
| 23:24.29 | bhima | I have a board that fits in perfectly. |
| 23:24.53 | bhima | a PIC is gonna hang off one of the serial ports to do tousch screen an i2c control of other stuff in the dashboard. |
| 23:35.51 | MonMotha | heh |
| 23:37.19 | MonMotha | bhima: you know, there is an SPI bus in the tux |
| 23:37.29 | MonMotha | run off a few GPIOs on the SA-1100 IIRC |
| 23:38.08 | bhima | mon: I was under the impression that that was the case, yes. but I found some nifty i2c stuff I wanted. |
| 23:38.12 | bhima | might just do both. |
| 23:38.51 | MonMotha | bhima: I was saying it was probably easier to hook the PIC up to a SPI bus than an RS-232 port |
| 23:38.57 | MonMotha | since you'd need a UART for taht |
| 23:40.03 | bhima | ahh. perhaps. though the pics usually use a UART for both. |
| 23:40.17 | MonMotha | for SPI? |
| 23:40.19 | MonMotha | SPI isn't async |
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| 23:47.55 | CosmicPenguin | Well, its probably time to head for home |
| 23:48.16 | CosmicPenguin | See if I can't get Microwindows finalized for Morn... :) |
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| 23:54.29 | CosmicPenguin | ... /. seems to have died |
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