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| 01:31.17 | sjhill | Did someone say whiskey and bourbon? |
| 01:39.47 | Mirell | No. |
| 01:40.00 | prpplague | i did |
| 02:00.03 | g1powermac | so did I :-) |
| 02:04.16 | sjhill | Heads upstairs for a shot of Crown Royal. |
| 02:04.21 | sjhill | It's all I have right now. |
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| 15:27.53 | landley | Morning. |
| 15:28.02 | g1powermac | hey landley |
| 15:28.06 | av500 | gm |
| 15:29.26 | Mirell | 'lo landley |
| 15:29.45 | landley | Mirell: movie at 7. Fade says it's at the drafthouse on anderson. |
| 15:30.50 | av500 | http://www.elpauer.org/?p=1146 |
| 15:30.54 | av500 | landley: sorry :) |
| 15:31.35 | Mirell | landley: Anderson Mill. |
| 15:31.38 | Mirell | landley: On 183. |
| 15:31.52 | landley | av500: A) copyright law is different in china, so if it's for domestic consumption who cares. |
| 15:32.01 | landley | B) if it's binary only modules, they're still in the clear. |
| 15:32.08 | Mirell | landley: Remember, the one on 183. |
| 15:32.09 | av500 | landley: its not |
| 15:32.13 | landley | C) I don't do kernel code enforcement. The code I have in the kernel is trivial. |
| 15:32.19 | av500 | landley: I know |
| 15:32.24 | av500 | its not only binary modules |
| 15:32.27 | landley | Mirell: ok. I specifically asked fade this morning and she said the other one, but I didn't check the web... |
| 15:32.35 | av500 | the chinese also patch other stuff |
| 15:32.40 | Mirell | landley: Location:Lake Creek |
| 15:32.44 | landley | shrugs. |
| 15:32.50 | av500 | but some of them are unable to do revision control |
| 15:32.59 | av500 | to even do revision control |
| 15:33.03 | landley | av500: after SOPA and GPLv3, I'm no longer interested in suing people over copyrights. |
| 15:33.29 | Mirell | landley: http://drafthouse.com/austin/lake_creek |
| 15:33.32 | av500 | so most of china not doing GPL can be explained by gross incompetence and not mallice |
| 15:33.39 | landley | Mirell: I believe you. |
| 15:33.57 | Mirell | landley: I just know this confusion has happened before. ^^ |
| 15:33.59 | av500 | and the mjg argument about how infringing gpl is a competitive advantage is pure bull |
| 15:33.59 | landley | av500: it can be explained by them not caring, since we haven't got jurisdiction to sue them. |
| 15:34.12 | landley | Also, keep in mind that patent suits are 10x the danger copyright suits are, from their point of view. |
| 15:34.36 | landley | That's why most far east manufacturers make a shell company, produce a board, sell it all into the inventory channel, dissolve the company and collect profits, and move on. |
| 15:34.52 | landley | Add in a few layers of shell corporations and by the time product shows up in the US there's nobody to sue. |
| 15:35.02 | av500 | i know |
| 15:35.08 | landley | They do this to escape our crazy _patent_ system, but it dodges copyright issues as well. |
| 15:35.19 | landley | It's easier to reverse engineer this stuff anyway. |
| 15:35.24 | landley | We've got their binaries. |
| 15:35.49 | landley | People reverse engineered every generation of xbox to make it run arbitrary code. |
| 15:36.11 | landley | The danger there was lawsuits going after the people that did that, not the inability to install arbitrary third party code on your iPhone. |
| 15:36.32 | landley | "Let's sue even more" does not actually improve the situation. |
| 15:37.28 | landley | Sun came up with a huge portfolio of defensive patents for mutually assured destruction reasons, and then got bought by Oratroll happily first-striking everybody. |
| 15:37.42 | landley | The only winning move is not to play. |
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| 16:32.21 | Mirell | landley: Dum Dum DUM |
| 16:55.59 | landley | Mirell: Dum? |
| 16:56.45 | landley | The wargames theme was a more soaring orchestral type thingy. |
| 16:56.54 | landley | Well, the war room climax bits, anyway. |
| 16:57.36 | landley | And the foley guys made really good use of 1970's computer sound effects. :) |
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| 19:58.44 | Mirell | Why do all webcasting applications seem to suck so much |
| 19:59.30 | mnemoc | G hangout isn't thaaaaaaat bad... |
| 19:59.44 | Mirell | It doesn't do screen sharing, and is limited to ten people. |
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