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| 16:02.28 | g1powermac | hey prpplague |
| 16:03.11 | prpplague | g1powermac: hey |
| 16:07.09 | GPSFan | g1powermac, prpplague morning.. |
| 16:08.33 | g1powermac | hey GPSFan |
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| 16:46.46 | landley | "No more connections allowed in your connection class?" |
| 16:46.52 | landley | I wonder if somebody is DOSing freenode? |
| 16:47.41 | g1powermac | landley, they did some kind of upgrade last night |
| 16:47.58 | landley | Fun. |
| 16:48.01 | g1powermac | not sure if its related though |
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| 17:45.25 | prpplague | grumbles at the run around he is getting from RCA |
| 17:48.42 | Mirell | Stupid dog |
| 17:49.12 | CosmicPenguin | nice |
| 17:51.23 | g1powermac | heh |
| 17:59.46 | g1powermac | this is a pretty neat little board for $50: http://www.latticesemi.com/products/developmenthardware/developmentkits/xp2brevia2developmentkit.cfm |
| 18:01.50 | prpplague | apparently this device is branded as RCA, but is owned but audiovox |
| 18:02.00 | prpplague | and audiovox is giving me the run around |
| 18:02.23 | prpplague | already upped to the level of talking to their outside legal counsel |
| 18:03.29 | g1powermac | prpplague, what are you trying to do? |
| 18:04.06 | prpplague | g1powermac: denying that the device runs linux and busybox, and therefor not releasing the source code |
| 18:06.16 | g1powermac | ahh |
| 18:07.51 | g1powermac | prpplague, what device are you referring to? |
| 18:07.57 | g1powermac | is just curious |
| 18:08.19 | prpplague | http://elinux.org/RCA_DSB772WE |
| 18:09.31 | g1powermac | ahh |
| 18:10.26 | g1powermac | nifty little device |
| 18:10.47 | prpplague | yea decent |
| 18:10.55 | prpplague | the gui is pretty bad though |
| 18:11.03 | prpplague | it could be made a lot better |
| 18:12.08 | g1powermac | I bet |
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| 18:13.09 | prpplague | i hope they prove me wrong, but i am getting the feeling that they aren't going to play along |
| 18:13.51 | g1powermac | I'm surprised you're getting anywhere |
| 18:15.35 | prpplague | i'm not |
| 18:16.17 | CosmicPenguin | You pissed off the lawyers. Thats a thing. |
| 18:16.42 | prpplague | i've gone from their customer service to tech support, to RCA hq, to audiovox hq, to the audiovox legal counsel , without anyone even admiting that it runs linux |
| 18:16.47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 18:17.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: just left a voice, no return call yet |
| 18:17.08 | prpplague | voicemail |
| 18:17.22 | g1powermac | prpplague, most of those people probably don't even know what the word linux means |
| 18:18.09 | prpplague | indeed |
| 18:19.58 | prpplague | i'd never go back to OSDL though |
| 18:20.09 | prpplague | those guys are pretty shady |
| 18:20.45 | g1powermac | really, ehh? |
| 18:21.34 | prpplague | g1powermac: landley had a falling out with them too |
| 18:22.20 | g1powermac | hmm, well |
| 18:24.30 | prpplague | duh, i must not have had enough coffee today, i typed OSDL, but i meant SFLC |
| 18:25.12 | g1powermac | ahhhh |
| 18:25.39 | g1powermac | ok, that makes a bit more sense :-) |
| 18:30.25 | g1powermac | can't wait till his futurlec order comes in with all the major parts for his sensor network |
| 18:34.06 | SpeedEvil | Don't worry - there will be one bit you forgot. |
| 18:34.10 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 18:35.34 | g1powermac | of course :-) |
| 18:36.14 | SpeedEvil | What sort of network is this sensoring. |
| 18:37.13 | g1powermac | its a wireless network of modules to track growing conditions on my minifarm |
| 18:37.39 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 18:37.39 | g1powermac | so, air temp/humidity, soil moisture, weather conditions, etc |
| 18:38.02 | g1powermac | and also to control the irrigation system I'll be installing in the spring |
| 18:38.03 | SpeedEvil | Would this be an indoor mini-farm, using unusual amounts of electricity? :) |
| 18:38.07 | g1powermac | nope |
| 18:38.13 | g1powermac | its outdoors |
| 18:38.23 | SpeedEvil | I've wondered abou tthat sort of stuff. |
| 18:38.32 | SpeedEvil | Robots - DIY - are getting cheaper. |
| 18:38.33 | g1powermac | ya |
| 18:39.41 | SpeedEvil | http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/20Kpps-HightSpeed-galvo-scanner-laser-lighting-NEW-/220678256510?pt=UK_ConElec_LightingLEDsStrobes_RL&hash=item336172f77e - for example. |
| 18:39.50 | SpeedEvil | On a small robot, and a couple of watt laser. |
| 18:40.06 | prpplague | landley: are you using anyone to represent you with GPL issues these days? |
| 18:40.07 | g1powermac | thats interesting |
| 18:40.10 | SpeedEvil | Add good vision recognition, and you've got a weed/insect-killing bot |
| 18:40.18 | g1powermac | hah |
| 18:40.23 | g1powermac | I love it |
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| 19:15.44 | landley | prpplague: nope. I don't pursue GPL enforcement stuff anymore. |
| 19:16.10 | landley | Busybox still has gpl@busybox.net going to Bradley Kuhn, who doesn't work for the SFLC anymore but forked of his own organization (the "Software Freedom Conservancy"). |
| 19:17.34 | landley | prpplague: OSDL, or SFLC? (OSDL became the Linux Foundation. They're not so much shady as utterly clueless.) |
| 19:18.00 | landley | catches up on backscroll... |
| 19:39.46 | prpplague | landley: i meant SFLC |
| 19:40.04 | landley | I caught up to that part, yes. :) |
| 19:40.09 | landley | Bradley's not bad. |
| 19:40.15 | landley | I just don't see a point in GPL enforcement anymore. |
| 19:40.24 | landley | We never got any code out of it. Ever, that I'm aware of. |
| 19:41.00 | landley | We got _copies_ of people's source trees, but it was all our code, plus backports of our code out of source control onto whatever version they were using, plus random commented out bits, hardwired config values, and debugging crap. |
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| 19:42.54 | prpplague | landley: well it looks like audiovox has licensed the RCA brand to a company called ALCO which is distributing the product |
| 19:43.05 | prpplague | landley: lawyer seemed actually pretty nice |
| 19:44.59 | landley | RCA went bye-bye sometime in the 80's. Bought by GE. (My father worked there.) |
| 19:45.19 | prpplague | landley: yea, and audiovox purchased a larged group of it |
| 19:45.24 | landley | The RCA brand got spun off in several various contexts. I remember the "his master's voice" dog with victrola graphic sold really well on tote bags in france, for some reason... |
| 19:45.28 | prpplague | landley: apparently they sublicense it out |
| 19:45.50 | landley | It's fragmented all over the place. They milked it for every penny and then threw the scraps to some third party, I think... |
| 19:45.59 | landley | You could probably license it for toilet paper if you try. |
| 19:46.35 | prpplague | hehe seems so |
| 19:47.06 | prpplague | landley: let's see if audiovox comes through on this |
| 19:47.10 | landley | Yup: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RCA_%28trademark%29 |
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| 21:02.02 | prpplague | well it looks like audiovox is trying to do the "right thing" |
| 21:02.11 | prpplague | seems like one of their licensees is to blame |
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| 21:27.11 | landley | prpplague: often the case. |
| 21:27.40 | landley | What did you need this code for, anyway? |
| 21:28.39 | prpplague | landley: http://www.elinux.org/RCA_DSB772WE |
| 21:29.32 | prpplague | landley: sells for $48USD in the store |
| 21:29.37 | prpplague | landley: $39USD online |
| 21:30.29 | landley | No /proc/cpuinfo, /proc/meminfo, or "df" output... |
| 21:30.57 | prpplague | landley: hehe, didn't have time to finish up with the docs |
| 21:31.08 | prpplague | landley: has some "honey dos" |
| 21:31.12 | prpplague | s/has/had |
| 21:31.22 | prpplague | landley: i'll get that in the next day or so posted |
| 21:33.36 | g1powermac | prpplague, heh, for a second there I read that as 'honey DOS" as in DOS and was wondering what the heck variant of MSDOS has honey in it? ;-) |
| 21:34.16 | SpeedEvil | I think microsoft used high fructose corn syrup. |
| 21:34.46 | g1powermac | SpeedEvil, good possibility |
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| 23:24.16 | landley | prpplague: is it armv7, or mips, or ppc, or what? |
| 23:29.12 | prpplague | landley: mips 24k |
| 23:29.20 | prpplague | landley: broadcom BCM7615 |
| 23:29.28 | landley | Hmmm. Cool. |
| 23:29.32 | landley | I should poke at that then. |
| 23:29.35 | prpplague | landley: basically the same chip they use in the cheap cheap blue-ray plakers |
| 23:29.37 | landley | I wonder if my local wal-mart has one? |
| 23:30.00 | landley | And do you know what the install setup is like? (Do I need to get another jtag and try to beat something out of Open Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, or is there an SD card that pops out or something?) |
| 23:30.24 | landley | 'cuz openocd and I don't really get along. I shake it like a magic wand and it either works or it doesn't. |
| 23:30.34 | landley | "If you build it, he will come. Press 1 to have him build it for you." |
| 23:33.56 | prpplague | landley: the BCM series appears to have a uart bootloader feature, so you can load the basic stuff from uart |
| 23:45.09 | prpplague | landley: i am not very familiar with the MIPS family, it will be a learning experience for me |
| 23:45.21 | prpplague | landley: assuming we can get source in a timely manner |
| 23:46.44 | g1powermac | prpplague, so do you just randomly pickup hardware and rip it apart to see if it runs linux or could run it? |
| 23:47.03 | prpplague | g1powermac: hehe, consistantly for years |
| 23:47.13 | g1powermac | heh, cool |
| 23:47.40 | g1powermac | tried randomly buying hardware, but found most of the time the stuff I was buying wasn't running linux |
| 23:47.53 | prpplague | g1powermac: one of the firsts to find that was running uclinux without GPL compliance - http://www.elinux.org/JuiceBox |
| 23:48.10 | g1powermac | ahh, the juicebox |
| 23:48.13 | prpplague | g1powermac: that was in 2003 |
| 23:48.13 | g1powermac | I got two of them |
| 23:48.29 | prpplague | broken the story on the juicebox |
| 23:48.37 | g1powermac | cool |
| 23:49.24 | prpplague | g1powermac: more recently, in 2007 i was able to find out that LeapFrog was actually using linux on the Didj without GPL compliance - http://www.elinux.org/Didj |
| 23:49.38 | g1powermac | yea, I remember you doing that |
| 23:49.39 | prpplague | (with some #edev help) |
| 23:59.00 | landley | prpplague: what do you need the source for? |
| 23:59.46 | landley | Kernel source, busybox source...? |
| 23:59.56 | landley | Are they using a non-vanilla kernel? |