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| 16:56.43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i've made 5 different drivers for my 7 segment display, and not happy with any of them |
| 16:58.08 | alex4nder | hey |
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| 17:00.22 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: thats what happens when you let hardware engineers near the code |
| 17:00.42 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:01.04 | prpplague | wonders if CosmicPenguin seriously considers prpplague a hardware engineer |
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| 19:32.11 | MonMotha | CosmicPenguin: the quality of code written by hardware engineers seems to vary wildly |
| 19:32.59 | MonMotha | ranging from "that's pretty well written, documented, and analyzed...and kinda clever" to "I'm not even sure how to compile this, let alone that it'll work" |
| 19:33.44 | CosmicPenguin | Thats a simplistic generalization |
| 19:33.53 | CosmicPenguin | the same thing can be said of anybody, anywhere at any time |
| 19:34.00 | SpeedEvil | Umm. |
| 19:34.11 | SpeedEvil | How can it be a generalisation if it's that wide? |
| 19:34.33 | CosmicPenguin | Isn't that the definition of a generalisation/ |
| 19:34.34 | CosmicPenguin | ? |
| 19:35.02 | SpeedEvil | It would be a generalisation to say that all hardware engineers code suck. |
| 19:35.49 | SpeedEvil | It can't be a generalisation to state accurately the charachteristics of a class. |
| 19:36.17 | xorrbit | all generalizations are wrong |
| 19:36.19 | xorrbit | hides |
| 19:36.38 | CosmicPenguin | That might be, but it still wasn't a very insightful thing to say |
| 19:37.26 | kergoth | SpeedEvil: that's incorrect, according to the definition. |
| 19:37.28 | kergoth | 5. logic any statement ascribing a property to every member of a class ( universal generalization ) or to one or more members ( existential generalization ) |
| 19:37.39 | kergoth | it doesn't say it has to be wrong, or extremely specific |
| 19:38.15 | alex4nder | hmm. |
| 19:39.01 | SpeedEvil | But if the generalisation covers the whole set... |
| 19:39.28 | SpeedEvil | Also - math definitions in real life are often not accurate as to the way the universe is used outside of math |
| 19:39.55 | kergoth | well, I have to agree with CosmicPenguin here. it's still a generalization, just a useless one |
| 19:40.28 | kergoth | and that was the dictionary definition, not from a mathematical text |
| 19:40.36 | SpeedEvil | Fair enough. |
| 19:41.38 | alex4nder | it depends on how wide of a net you cast |
| 19:42.38 | alex4nder | most hardware engineers with compilers are about as scary as software engineers with soldering irons. |
| 19:42.47 | dalias | :) |
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| 20:10.58 | MonMotha | CosmicPenguin: it seems inordinately descriptive of code from hardware people, though. I really have gotten code from vendors described as "production ready" that could not have ever compiled on any compiler due to e.g. blatant syntax errors (often copied and pasted). That sort of behavior seems less common amongst "software people |
| 20:11.06 | MonMotha | but yes, it's a pretty general statement |
| 20:12.14 | roxfan | they just lost the floppy and didn't want to admit it |
| 20:14.12 | dalias | :) |
| 20:15.01 | MonMotha | roxfan: sometimes I wonder |
| 20:15.23 | MonMotha | on the other hand, I've gotten code that really was "type make" from a vendor now and then (it's rare). That's always refreshing |
| 20:16.32 | MonMotha | open source hardware driver projects, at least the ones that are out of the early development stage and receive active maintenance, also seem to be of generally useful quality (Linux being a good example), but those are often written by more software oriented people, I think |
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| 20:34.33 | prpplague | MonMotha: hehe, i was just commenting on the fact that thinks i am a hardware engineer |
| 20:37.50 | alex4nder | prpplague: that could either be an insult, or a compliment. |
| 20:39.50 | prpplague | alex4nder: indeed |
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