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| 10:03.07 | \3TATUK | anyone have info on running linux on samsung sgh-x475 cellphone? ^_^ |
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| 11:22.25 | purl | prpplague is currently on #edev (14m 16s), last said: '"hi, i just purchased a flyswatter and i'm wonder what JTAG is, can you help me?"'. |
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| 13:41.04 | Chocobo | with JTAG... are VREF and VTARGET usually tied together ... to Vcc? |
| 13:42.22 | prpplague | Chocobo: no nessarily |
| 13:42.24 | prpplague | not |
| 13:43.22 | Chocobo | Hrm, I will have to look around to find out what those pins are. |
| 13:46.58 | prpplague | ds2: ping |
| 13:53.12 | keesj | cd |
| 13:53.49 | roxfan | ls |
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| 13:59.58 | prpplague | T0mW: greetings |
| 14:00.38 | T0mW | prpplague: and salutations from my home in Albrightsville, PA. I finally got moved in a week ago. |
| 14:01.39 | T0mW | prpplague: it took a few days to get the heating units reinstalled into one of the downstairs rooms (family room). It was freaking cold here Wednesday last week! |
| 14:02.55 | prpplague | T0mW: family room? /me this T0mW has been busy and didn't tell us |
| 14:04.02 | T0mW | LOL |
| 14:04.15 | T0mW | heh, that is what the realtors called this room. |
| 14:04.55 | T0mW | I am essentially living in this room (20x16 foot) and sleeping in the bedroom. I have no kitchen, ripped out all the cabinets, sink, etc.. |
| 14:05.26 | prpplague | T0mW: did you correct them by calling it the "Den of Sin"?? |
| 14:05.42 | T0mW | I wish |
| 14:05.55 | T0mW | prpplague: no curtains yet |
| 14:05.58 | prpplague | T0mW: having fun with it? |
| 14:06.36 | T0mW | prpplague: ah yes, it is quite satisfying to be working on your own home. Frustrating too at times that so much needs to be done yet. |
| 14:07.05 | T0mW | I got the dishwasher installed and working yesterday... |
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| 14:33.29 | prpplague | really really hates the new openocd |
| 14:34.08 | mnemoc | prpplague: why? |
| 14:34.18 | mnemoc | (I haven't used it yet, jsut curious) |
| 14:34.45 | prpplague | mnemoc: because it is completely over complicated, completely bloated, and almost totally unusable anymore |
| 14:34.52 | mnemoc | ow |
| 14:35.25 | mnemoc | is sun involved on it's development now? :p |
| 14:36.48 | prpplague | no, the same people that ruined uboot |
| 14:38.52 | prpplague | amazing how it went from a great tool to a piece of dung |
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| 14:49.26 | prpplague | bangs head on desk |
| 14:51.05 | agaffney | hands prpplague a pillow |
| 14:51.19 | agaffney | you're going to give yourself a concussion as much as you do that :P |
| 14:52.48 | chouimat|work | agaffney: either he wants a new desk or a few extra weeks of vacations ;) |
| 14:53.04 | chouimat|work | http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=9a0a0070-fe87-43e5-b539-accd634b6f9f |
| 14:53.44 | prpplague | i just hate what they've done to openocd |
| 15:02.33 | keesj | :p |
| 15:06.26 | mnemoc | fork fork fork fork! |
| 15:06.29 | mnemoc | :p |
| 15:08.57 | keesj | or go back to the old version if that was so good |
| 15:10.06 | keesj | I played with urjtag last week but that gave me more esoteric behviour then I could handle |
| 15:10.16 | prpplague | keesj: yea i use the old version for my personal stuff, but for tincantools stuff they want the stuff "uptodate" |
| 15:17.57 | adyer | prpplague: lol have you looked at the commit logs? seems like there's a checkin every 8 hours :-( |
| 15:18.24 | chouimat|work | adyer: small or huge checkin? |
| 15:18.30 | prpplague | adyer: yea, and not only are there loads of commites , they are complete changes in syntax and functionality |
| 15:18.38 | adyer | chouimat|work: usually small |
| 15:18.46 | chouimat|work | ok |
| 15:19.15 | prpplague | right now i simply want openocd to startup and halt the processor like it used to do |
| 15:19.46 | adyer | chouimat|work: i watch because I carry some local patches for an unsupported adapter, but now i'm like 400 revs behind |
| 15:19.55 | chouimat|work | ouch |
| 15:20.38 | chouimat|work | forgots his arm build machine at home today ... using qemu with a 2 weeks old snapshot is not fun |
| 15:20.52 | adyer | chouimat|work: I think it's possible to carry the commit early/commit often a bit too far ;-) |
| 15:21.14 | chouimat|work | adyer: at least kde has a playground branche :) |
| 15:22.54 | adyer | chouimat|work: between oyvind harboe with openocd and ulf samuelsson with buildroot, the scandanavians are killing me :-) |
| 15:23.05 | chouimat|work | hehe |
| 15:25.39 | chouimat|work | adyer: we use a nice proprietary binary only in our product ... and their documentation is well inexistant, their forums useless and support ... well forget about it ... I have fun with that piece of crap, I'm looking to replace it soon |
| 15:25.57 | adyer | my kind of license: http://www.pastebin.ca/1220777 |
| 15:26.37 | prpplague | bangs head on desk |
| 15:26.40 | chouimat|work | yup it's a nice one |
| 15:26.48 | prpplague | i don't understand why they keep changing the syntax |
| 15:27.19 | chouimat|work | prpplague: no longterm vision? |
| 15:29.31 | prpplague | i suspose |
| 15:29.55 | prpplague | keesj: you been able to get openocd to halt on reset with newer versions? |
| 15:35.32 | prpplague | crap crap crap |
| 15:35.42 | prpplague | i don't understand why this isn't executing |
| 15:36.17 | chouimat|work | try to sacrifice a virgin and rape a goat ... or is it the other way around ... |
| 15:37.00 | CosmicPenguin | Okay, that was a little harsh |
| 15:37.32 | chouimat|work | sorry :) |
| 15:39.18 | solar | prpplague: the last statement is 'shutdown' with the newer version vs the old reset |
| 15:40.12 | prpplague | solar: i want to generate a reset_halt on startup, the newer versions have changed the syntax for doing that |
| 15:40.25 | adyer | solar: shutdown used to tell the server side of openocd to close up shop and terminate nicely |
| 15:41.00 | solar | ahh good luck. |
| 15:41.23 | prpplague | this is sooo bad |
| 15:41.39 | prpplague | if they are going to make these kinds of changes, they should atleast have a migration guide |
| 15:47.35 | prpplague | yea looks like alot of people are having the same problems |
| 15:59.00 | prpplague | bangs head on desk |
| 15:59.09 | prpplague | none of this is working as it should |
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| 16:14.02 | prpplague | hmm, i simply can not get it to generate a reset_halt on startup |
| 16:14.07 | prpplague | this is totally broken |
| 16:27.44 | T0mW`gone | prpplague: put a toggle in to ignore the first instance of a reset_halt? |
| 16:28.34 | prpplague | T0mW: naw, looks like there is some broken code |
| 16:29.00 | T0mW | heeehee, where haven't we seen that before? |
| 16:33.47 | prpplague | yea getting a segfault |
| 16:52.17 | T0mW | well, my fireplace is good to go. The chimney sweep checked it out and said it looks ok. |
| 16:52.19 | T0mW | :) |
| 16:52.27 | T0mW | fire tonight! |
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| 17:10.11 | wmat | do chimney sweeps still call themselves chimney sweeps? |
| 17:10.37 | prpplague | wmat: i wouldn't know since it is highly unlikely to find one in texas |
| 17:12.25 | wmat | I'm surprised they're not called Venting Engineers, or something similar |
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| 17:13.16 | prpplague | Combustion Ventilation Safety Engineers |
| 17:15.50 | wmat | prpplague: http://www.ncsg.org/default.aspx?tabid=61&State=TX |
| 17:18.46 | prpplague | wow that is surprising |
| 17:20.34 | adyer | prpplague: you need a fire when it gets cold. I've seen the furs come out in Dallas when it gets down below 60 :-) |
| 17:20.53 | prpplague | adyer: not i, i like it cold |
| 17:21.59 | wmat | prpplague: come to canada, it's cooling off lately here, I think it's to go down to -1C overnight this week sometime |
| 17:22.07 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:22.11 | wmat | which, of course, is not cold at all |
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| 17:35.07 | MothaWork | prpplague: what's typical throughput on ENC28J60? |
| 17:35.47 | prpplague | MothaWork: typical running at 12MHz on the s3c2410 is about 7mbit |
| 17:36.54 | MothaWork | prpplague: well, that's not terrible |
| 17:37.06 | MothaWork | you were going to put an ENC28J60 on your beagleboard module, right? |
| 17:41.09 | MothaWork | prpplague: are there any bus sharing concerns? |
| 17:41.43 | MothaWork | I know SD/MMC doesn't really get along well with other peripherals on the bus when being run in SPI mode, so I try to check |
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| 17:47.13 | prpplague | MothaWork: no problems that i've seen so far, the main problem with the beagle expansion connector is that i has no external interrupt |
| 17:47.29 | prpplague | MothaWork: which means it will have to be a polling interface for the irq |
| 17:51.06 | MothaWork | prpplague: the docs claim all GPIOs can be used as an interrupt. I'm guessing there is pin-change capability |
| 17:51.36 | prpplague | MothaWork: hmm, i didn't see that info |
| 17:51.42 | prpplague | MothaWork: i'll have to re-read it |
| 17:52.07 | MothaWork | well, it didn't specifically mention pin-change, but the docs do say on all the GPIOs on the expansion connector that the GPIO can be used as an interrupt |
| 17:52.25 | MothaWork | p. 84 of the SRM |
| 17:52.39 | prpplague | MothaWork: ahh i'll give it a look |
| 17:54.25 | prpplague | wow stocks are below 10000 |
| 17:55.11 | MothaWork | DJIA made it below 10000 despite the bailout passing? great... |
| 17:55.30 | CosmicPenguin | thats not what the bailout was for |
| 17:55.40 | MothaWork | no, it's not |
| 17:55.43 | CosmicPenguin | be happy that the dow is below 10000 - its artificially low and the stocks are on sale |
| 17:56.20 | MothaWork | however, much of the fire sales in the stock market were the results of people maniacally selling in response to a reasonably unrealated crisis. Witness what happened last monday. |
| 17:56.29 | CosmicPenguin | Their loss |
| 17:56.34 | MothaWork | oh, I agree |
| 17:56.52 | CosmicPenguin | I have little sympathy for the short term stock market traders |
| 17:56.58 | ds2 | Hmmmm |
| 17:57.15 | CosmicPenguin | I care about the banks staying liquid and I care that my employers customers can get short term credit to buy chips |
| 17:57.45 | CosmicPenguin | So needless to say, still much fear there |
| 17:59.55 | ds2 | CosmicPenguin: prehaps there now it is time for the green folks to go into the finance game? ;) |
| 18:00.02 | ds2 | just like car mfgs :) |
| 18:00.20 | ds2 | prpplague: are you on the beagle list? |
| 18:00.22 | CosmicPenguin | green - newbie or environmental? |
| 18:00.40 | ds2 | green - the opposite of the dropped e blue folks |
| 18:00.51 | ds2 | aka the other mfg of the big silicon space heaters ;) |
| 18:00.54 | ds2 | ducks |
| 18:01.30 | adyer | ds2: lol why be so obscure? |
| 18:01.56 | ds2 | =) |
| 18:02.20 | adyer | ds2: everyone knows it's Sunnyvale vs. Santa Clara :-) |
| 18:03.07 | ds2 | they do have offices elsewhere! and the people I know are in those other offices |
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| 18:03.27 | ds2 | anyways |
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| 18:08.32 | ds2 | prpplague: saw your early ping; will get back to you a bit later. got a mtg to goto right now |
| 18:17.01 | prpplague | ds2: np |
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| 18:57.07 | MothaWork | prpplague: know any simple-to-use Ni-MH charge controllers? |
| 19:19.51 | prpplague | MothaWork: sorry no Ni-MH, just Li-Ion and Li-Poly |
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| 20:24.43 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 20:24.49 | prpplague | ds2: how did the demo go? |
| 20:26.58 | prpplague | this is such a good indication of leapfrogs knowledge of opensouce - "The Linux Kernal is distributed as part of LeapFrog?s Didj? platform. A copy of the source code for the Linux Kernal can be found at this link: ____________________." |
| 20:27.40 | prpplague | ~seen landley |
| 20:27.45 | purl | landley <n=landley@static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #elinux, 4d 22h 58m 13s ago, saying: 'And 4.2.2 has the exact same bug as 4.1.2.'. |
| 20:28.59 | adyer | heh, sparkfun spelled backwards is 'nuf krap :-) |
| 20:29.04 | MothaWork | prpplague: I luv me Kernal |
| 20:29.23 | prpplague | adyer: ha |
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| 20:44.29 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 20:45.47 | prpplague | MothaWork: still around? |
| 20:46.28 | MothaWork | prpplague: yes |
| 20:46.51 | prpplague | MothaWork: here is what we have planned for the beagle board daughterboard |
| 20:48.23 | prpplague | MonMotha: enc28j60 module pads(thru hole for olimex module or compatible), i2c gpio expander with 8inputs and 8 outputs, i2c 8 channel adc with 1 channel dac, 2 leds, 2 buttons, 2 pots, i2c eeprom, proto area, 2nd uart |
| 20:49.04 | prpplague | MonMotha: the big question i was thinking of is about the usage of maybe a ir receive for a remote |
| 20:49.06 | MothaWork | prpplague: ok, so you're not bringing out the other MMC slot, and you only need I2C + a SPI bus? |
| 20:49.27 | MothaWork | oh, I2C + SPI + UART |
| 20:49.30 | prpplague | MothaWork: yea, i hadn;t planned on bringing out the second mmc |
| 20:50.03 | MothaWork | well, for our usage, IR wouln't be a big deal, but with the multimedia focus of the beagleboard, I could see it being useful |
| 20:50.20 | prpplague | MothaWork: yea, i figured you were more hardware based |
| 20:50.33 | prpplague | MothaWork: but i never can seem to get any answers from the beagle channel |
| 20:50.41 | MothaWork | well, this particular application is a terrible app of the beagleboard, but the beagleboard is handy |
| 20:51.36 | ds2 | prpplague: demo went okay... attendence was a bit light due to the topic and it being towarded the tail end of the conference |
| 20:52.17 | prpplague | ds2: ahh |
| 20:52.49 | ds2 | prpplague: I'll try to put up pictures of the finished thing with both beagle and hammer mounted complete with light up icons for both |
| 20:53.17 | prpplague | ds2: people have any questions about the hammer? |
| 20:53.44 | MothaWork | prpplague: our module uses a SPI bus and several GPIOs |
| 20:53.57 | prpplague | MothaWork: ahh |
| 20:54.12 | MothaWork | 6 GPIOs, from the looks of it |
| 20:54.15 | ds2 | prpplague: not much... there was more interest in the cheap JTAG's; apparently the vision audience wasn't too familiar with sub $2K JTAG debuggers |
| 20:54.33 | MothaWork | it also drops an EEPROM onto the I2C bus for storing parameters (channel, power settings, MAC address, etc.) |
| 20:54.33 | prpplague | ds2: ahh interesting |
| 20:54.45 | prpplague | MothaWork: yea the eeprom was something on my list too |
| 20:54.46 | ds2 | but unfortunately, the one that people know about is the SFE one... I stepped in a few times and mentioned the flyswatter since one complaint was SFE was out of stock |
| 20:55.05 | prpplague | ds2: ahh thanks |
| 20:55.13 | MothaWork | prpplague: I'd use an IO expander, many of them don't get along too well with that sort of thing |
| 20:55.21 | MothaWork | some of the GPIOs could be depopped and likely will be |
| 21:00.44 | prpplague | MothaWork: another big question is do we level shift from 1.8v to 3.3v or from 1.8v to 5v |
| 21:02.25 | MothaWork | well, on my board, everything runs at 3.3V, so the answer was obvious |
| 21:02.43 | MothaWork | I'm using Fairchild FXLP34 parts to do the level shift |
| 21:02.57 | MothaWork | for a more experimenter oriented/hackable board, 5V may be desireable if possibl |
| 21:03.06 | MothaWork | would also save you a regulator |
| 21:03.44 | prpplague | MothaWork: yea |
| 21:05.12 | prpplague | ds2: was there something on the list you wanted me to see? |
| 21:06.33 | ds2 | prpplague: there seems to be talk about redoing your efforts on openocd and the Flyswatter |
| 21:06.44 | ds2 | thought it might be useful if you chimed in so people don't repeat things again |
| 21:06.59 | prpplague | ds2: hmm i didn't see any mention of that |
| 21:07.09 | prpplague | looks |
| 21:07.10 | ds2 | prpplague: last night/this morning |
| 21:07.49 | prpplague | ds2: i saw some discussion, but i didn't see any mention of redoing the work |
| 21:08.04 | ds2 | prpplague: they were asking about getting the docs you got from Jason and "starting" |
| 21:08.56 | prpplague | ds2: yea i saw that portion, but they aren't going to get anything from that doc that i haven't already posted on the wiki |
| 21:09.25 | ds2 | prpplague: right, and I think you actually had the Icepick talking, IIRC |
| 21:10.03 | prpplague | ds2: only in a hacked way |
| 21:36.53 | prpplague | ds2: getting the icepick talking is just 1/2 the battle |
| 21:37.35 | ds2 | oh? thought there were armv7 stuff in openocd already? |
| 21:38.12 | prpplague | armv7m |
| 21:38.42 | ds2 | what's the difference from the debugger's point of view? isnt it just a MMU difference? |
| 21:38.45 | prpplague | ds2: i've not had time to investigate the differences |
| 21:38.52 | ds2 | ah |
| 21:39.38 | prpplague | i'm just amazed that TI choose not to have some default tap's enabled with using EMU0/EMU1 |
| 21:41.31 | ds2 | that was design by different folks the then DV folks so sanity may not have been a concern ;) |
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| 21:51.40 | ukgeeza | hello |
| 21:51.54 | ukgeeza | whos here |
| 21:51.58 | ukgeeza | hello |
| 21:53.03 | prpplague | ukgeeza: greetings |
| 21:53.13 | ukgeeza | greetings people |
| 22:01.09 | ds2 | things seem so quiet this week now there is no demos being rushed through |
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| 22:35.45 | ce_geek | \me says hello |
| 22:35.50 | ce_geek | and fails miserably |
| 22:35.55 | ce_geek | better? |
| 22:36.09 | ce_geek | Wonders where K&R 2 has been all his life. |
| 22:42.59 | adyer | supposes that depends on ce_geeks age... |
| 22:43.51 | MonMotha | I think both editions of K&R vastly outdate my programming days |
| 22:44.18 | MonMotha | though at least the 2nd edition does not outdate me :) |
| 22:45.49 | adyer | MonMotha: k&r 1 was required for me in kolij - first semester that they taught C instead of z80 assembly on CP/M :-) |
| 22:46.38 | ce_geek | Having some good experience with C, I still find this book useful. |
| 22:47.57 | MonMotha | K&R is a very good book |
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| 23:32.44 | ce_geek | ~seen prpplague |
| 23:32.50 | purl | prpplague <n=dave@mail.americanmicrosystems.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #edev, 1h 39m 47s ago, saying: 'ukgeeza: greetings'. |
| 23:32.51 | ce_geek | whoops |
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