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| 00:43.10 | solar | It would be nice if some of you guys lived/worked out here. I'd sure would not mind sitting down for a brew or nine. |
| 00:43.25 | g1powermac | heh |
| 00:43.30 | solar | one of those extra fun days at work today ;/ |
| 00:43.38 | g1powermac | wishes he could taste some alcoholic beverages |
| 00:43.41 | g1powermac | can't even do that atm |
| 00:43.54 | solar | operation being postponed even further? |
| 00:44.04 | g1powermac | its a mess |
| 00:44.37 | solar | seems like it. I know I'd sure want to get it over ASAP after knowing I need one. |
| 00:44.48 | g1powermac | its all involving the heart condition I have |
| 00:45.50 | g1powermac | being that I never have been under general anesthetics |
| 00:46.06 | g1powermac | and how it would react with my low heart rate |
| 00:46.27 | solar | where do they need to cut on you? |
| 00:46.54 | g1powermac | right side below the ribs |
| 00:47.15 | g1powermac | the other issue too is the vegas nerve that connects with the gallbladder |
| 00:47.33 | g1powermac | since I do have a low heart rate, tugging on that nerve can cause it to get worse |
| 00:50.46 | solar | good luck with that bro. |
| 00:50.58 | g1powermac | thanks man |
| 00:51.20 | g1powermac | hopefully it'll be one day soon, I can't take this much longer |
| 00:51.41 | g1powermac | my digestive tract hasn't be normal since before July |
| 00:51.48 | solar | understandable. I think it would stress me out knowing then having to wait and then wait more. |
| 00:51.56 | solar | but then again. don't die |
| 00:52.01 | g1powermac | yea |
| 00:52.11 | g1powermac | don't want to not wake up again |
| 01:06.02 | ds2 | yeah... we need you around to take more of the systems ;) |
| 01:06.27 | g1powermac | ugh, that reminds me, I still need to get UPS labels to GPSFan |
| 01:06.38 | g1powermac | man, too many things going on |
| 01:08.28 | GPSFan | g1powermac: indeed, whenever... but sooner would be nice. ;>) |
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| 07:36.54 | boris_OmegA | hi there |
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| 08:42.06 | mnemoc | hi, is the 0.1 inch interface a bus where one can attach more than one device? I mean, I see the the nail board connected to the hammer using it, but then how does one connect another thing to the same interface? like an LCD display |
| 08:44.20 | mnemoc | like http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8683 for example |
| 08:47.19 | mnemoc | i'm sorry for the noob question, but I have been unable to find related info in google... most probably because of my lack of "keywords" |
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| 15:10.15 | prpplague | Chocobo: not sure anyone here as done much M3 assembly |
| 15:10.27 | prpplague | Chocobo: i know a few folks have luminary boards |
| 15:10.52 | Chocobo | Yeah, that is what I am poking on around right now... not really a board, just a chip :) |
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| 15:13.14 | prpplague | Chocobo: hmm they look like boards to me |
| 15:13.52 | prpplague | http://www.luminarymicro.com/images/stories/ekk-lm3s811_schematic.jpg |
| 15:14.19 | Chocobo | Oh, ok... well I am not using a pre-made development board, just a 28-SOIC soldered down to a SOIC -> DIP adapter board. |
| 15:14.34 | prpplague | ahh |
| 15:14.38 | Chocobo | Using the lm3s102 28-SOIC |
| 15:19.28 | CosmicPenguin | hmm - two unsolicited recruiting emails today |
| 15:19.32 | CosmicPenguin | somebody must have bought a list |
| 15:20.50 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: oh yea? |
| 15:20.58 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: anything in the DFW area? hehe |
| 15:21.34 | CosmicPenguin | nope |
| 15:21.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 15:21.41 | CosmicPenguin | Ohio (seriously, Ohio?) and California |
| 15:21.49 | solar | Lots in the bay area :) |
| 15:21.52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the HR/recruiters are all over linkedin |
| 15:22.00 | prpplague | solar: yea, bummer |
| 15:25.50 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: qualcomm still hunting down kernel devrs ? |
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| 15:33.04 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: as far as I know |
| 15:33.11 | CosmicPenguin | hasn't changed since you know... yesterday |
| 15:34.04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: didn't know how wide they were spreading the net, figured the job would be taken pretty quick by someone |
| 15:34.32 | CosmicPenguin | I am guessing the number of openings is > 1 |
| 15:34.53 | prpplague | ahh |
| 15:35.17 | solar | good/real kernel devs that are actually suited to work for such a company I'd not expect there to be a great abundance spares |
| 15:35.29 | CosmicPenguin | As seeing that the grphics job in Boulder has been posted for mulitple weeks |
| 15:35.46 | CosmicPenguin | I'm guessing they are either taking their time or have multiple openings |
| 15:38.05 | CosmicPenguin | fsdaily.com is interesting |
| 15:38.12 | CosmicPenguin | its like digg, for free software |
| 15:38.27 | CosmicPenguin | welcome to google reader |
| 15:42.18 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm - the bell tools for one of the RSS Feeds on my google reader |
| 15:42.33 | CosmicPenguin | picks - the DailyWTF - its just not that interesting anymore |
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| 15:43.01 | Mr_Bonga | hi |
| 15:43.36 | Mr_Bonga | i am searching for a win32 chat |
| 15:43.45 | Mr_Bonga | anyone knows one?? |
| 15:45.12 | wmat | a what? |
| 15:47.27 | Mr_Bonga | a channel to discuss win 32 applications |
| 15:48.18 | prpplague | Mr_Bonga: probably not going to find too many of those on freenode |
| 15:48.38 | wmat | Mr_Bonga: please see the topic of the channel |
| 15:49.07 | CosmicPenguin | Now, now - thats a fair question to ask |
| 15:50.09 | solar | CosmicPenguin: indeed. However undernet tends to seem a better place for w32 and CE/WM based apps. |
| 15:50.21 | CosmicPenguin | I'm not disputing that |
| 15:50.28 | CosmicPenguin | I'm just saying that it wasn't really that off-topic a question |
| 15:50.37 | CosmicPenguin | and in fact, he was respecting the room by asking where he could go |
| 15:51.21 | wmat | Mr_Bonga: ask away. It's easier to judge whether your question is appropriate after you've asked it. |
| 15:52.10 | CosmicPenguin | The hackaday web-server project is cute |
| 15:52.24 | wmat | CosmicPenguin: I thought we were being helpful |
| 15:58.03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: indeed it is cute |
| 16:06.51 | Mr_Bonga | wmat i have an activeX that consume for example 10%, if i throw another instance of activeX the cpu of those 2 instance goes to 20% each other |
| 16:11.32 | MothaWork | CosmicPenguin: remind me some time to make one that's actually usable as a business card |
| 16:12.14 | MothaWork | I also would like to make some scathing remark about their choice of micro |
| 16:12.27 | CosmicPenguin | On the internet, everybody is wrong |
| 16:15.24 | MothaWork | well, I'll take almost anything over a PIC |
| 16:15.55 | MothaWork | ARM, AVR, MSP430, 8051, HC08, HC12/9S12 |
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| 16:53.24 | wmat | Mr_Bonga: sorry, I have no idea |
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| 18:18.16 | roxfan | MothaWork: you ever worked with H8/38004? |
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| 19:00.53 | MothaWork | roxfan: I have not |
| 19:01.09 | roxfan | ok :) |
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| 19:08.02 | prpplague | interesting, about the best response time i can get from the s3c2410 via gpio , reliable, is about 1000nS |
| 19:10.05 | MothaWork | gah, I got a 0.5mm FFC swapped out on this PCB only to ruin a hack job on the NAND flash |
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| 19:10.26 | prpplague | MonMotha: doh |
| 19:11.08 | MothaWork | prpplague: unfortunatley, I'm not sure I can fix the NAND without swapping out the chip and then redoing the patch (the patch is because some traces were previously torn off the board) |
| 19:11.24 | MothaWork | the FFC was hot glued shut; then somebody decided they wanted to open it |
| 19:11.32 | prpplague | double doh |
| 19:11.41 | MothaWork | yeah |
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| 19:12.21 | MothaWork | I tore a bunch of pads trying to get it off, so I pulled an old dev board with the NAND patch and got the connector off successfully (no hot glue), but now my NAND doesn't work :( |
| 19:17.24 | prpplague | MothaWork: isn't hardware dev fun? |
| 19:19.41 | MothaWork | prpplague: when there's no hot glue in my way :) |
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| 19:42.10 | CosmicPenguin | dear lazy web |
| 19:42.36 | CosmicPenguin | what would be the range for number of simultaneous memory allocations for an average embedded userland application? |
| 19:42.55 | CosmicPenguin | In other words, at any one time, how many outstanding allocated memory blocks would be active? |
| 19:43.01 | CosmicPenguin | 4k? 16k? 32k? |
| 19:45.27 | roxfan | better measure |
| 19:45.40 | roxfan | it depends on so many variables |
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| 20:21.40 | prpplague | landley: make it back to austin? |
| 20:22.09 | ds2 | okay, hammer time |
| 20:23.02 | CosmicPenguin | break it down |
| 20:23.05 | CosmicPenguin | 2legit2quit |
| 20:23.11 | CosmicPenguin | hey... hey! |
| 20:24.32 | landley | prpplague: Not 'til October 2. |
| 20:24.38 | prpplague | ahh |
| 20:24.59 | landley | CosmicPenguin: the exception gets thrown on the phrase "average embedded userland application". |
| 20:25.21 | landley | It's a MeaninglessPhrase error. |
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| 20:25.51 | CosmicPenguin | landley: I ran valgrind on firefox - it had 1,805 outstanding allocations at exit |
| 20:26.10 | MothaWork | haha |
| 20:26.11 | CosmicPenguin | I'm not sure what it had at its peak |
| 20:26.16 | landley | Wow, you didn't do much with firefox did you? |
| 20:26.24 | landley | That's "open it and immediately close it", I'm guessing? |
| 20:26.30 | CosmicPenguin | read one webpage |
| 20:26.35 | ds2 | sure you had enough bits in the variable used to count outstandallocations? |
| 20:26.37 | landley | Small webpage? |
| 20:26.44 | ds2 | might have wrapped around at 2^32 ;) |
| 20:26.46 | CosmicPenguin | but I'm thinking that 4k is a good number |
| 20:27.06 | CosmicPenguin | If your payload is allocating more then that, then trouts all around |
| 20:27.13 | landley | CosmicPenguin: Go look at the slab/slob/slub allocators. |
| 20:27.26 | landley | Lots of embedded applications have triple digit or less outstanding allocations. |
| 20:27.56 | landley | Busybox seldom has double digits unless it's the data set for something like sed with unlimited variable input. |
| 20:28.22 | ds2 | there is no reason to use firefox |
| 20:28.23 | landley | Then there are crazy people who write embedded apps in C++. |
| 20:28.30 | CosmicPenguin | no C++ here |
| 20:28.31 | ds2 | it is a power sucking, time wasting, PoS |
| 20:28.36 | landley | For a definition of "embedded" that involves a cell phone with half a gig of ram. |
| 20:28.43 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm - if busybox seldom has double digits |
| 20:28.54 | MothaWork | ds2: it's one of the few graphical browsers that'll run on Linux and does not depend on a large DE |
| 20:28.56 | landley | Apple's webkit is written in C++, thus so is chrome. |
| 20:28.58 | ds2 | <--- very pissed off at the firefox crap after using it for 1.5 weeks on a mobile device |
| 20:29.11 | ds2 | MothaWork: now try it on a battery power system |
| 20:29.12 | MothaWork | that doesn't mean it's good; it means there is a lack of options |
| 20:29.13 | landley | It's the KHTML engine from konqueror, appropriated by Apple, patented by nokia, and ported to windows by google. |
| 20:29.30 | MothaWork | ds2: oh, I don't doubt |
| 20:29.31 | MothaWork | it's a pig |
| 20:29.35 | ds2 | exactly |
| 20:29.38 | landley | Strangely, KHTML is implemented in 1/10th as much code as firefox's gecko. |
| 20:29.42 | MothaWork | even Minimo (before it died) is a big |
| 20:29.44 | MothaWork | *pig |
| 20:29.49 | ds2 | those numbskulls from Nokia decided to switch to basically firefox |
| 20:29.53 | landley | It's not that KHTML is particularly outstanding, it's that mozilla's spawn sucks rocks. |
| 20:30.10 | MothaWork | well, Gecko itself isn't terrible. The issue is that Firefox has a LOT of baggage |
| 20:30.17 | MothaWork | Gecko isn't great, but it's not terrible at least |
| 20:30.25 | ds2 | Now the Access browser seems a lot more usable |
| 20:30.30 | MothaWork | But Firefox has XUL to carry around |
| 20:30.38 | ds2 | the PoS firefox takes minutes to render pages |
| 20:30.40 | landley | When you say "outstanding allocations" I'm talking about the number of separate chunks of memory, not the total size of memory collectively used by them. |
| 20:31.00 | landley | Which is a kind of pointless metric, really, since a gigabyte long array counts as one allocation. |
| 20:31.20 | MothaWork | ds2: which version? There were some issues involving tables that got at least improved |
| 20:31.23 | landley | There is no data, only XUL. |
| 20:31.27 | MothaWork | still not great, but at least improved |
| 20:31.38 | ds2 | landley: well, unless he's doing it on a 64bit platform, that clearly can't be the case ;) |
| 20:31.51 | landley | ds2: who? |
| 20:31.56 | landley | Unless who is doing what on a 64 bit platform? |
| 20:32.07 | ds2 | MothaWork: donno... whatever is used on the Chinook release for the N800 |
| 20:32.16 | ds2 | landley: CosmicPenguin with the Valgrind run |
| 20:32.18 | MothaWork | ds2: likely based off the Gecko used in FF2 |
| 20:32.55 | ds2 | I would really like to have the Access browser instead of the firefox crap |
| 20:33.16 | prpplague | i'm wondering if there is anyone actually alive at leapfrog |
| 20:33.24 | prpplague | i've yet to speak to a human there |
| 20:33.40 | ds2 | prpplague: they have leap frogged the laws ;) |
| 20:33.59 | prpplague | ds2: apparently |
| 20:34.34 | prpplague | i spent the afternoon, just selecting random extensions |
| 20:34.36 | ds2 | there were other alarming things about firefox learned indirectly through some other topic...it seems firefox likes to constantly redraw pages which is not helping with the batteyr drain issues |
| 20:34.44 | prpplague | haven't actually had anyone pick up the phone yet |
| 20:34.57 | ds2 | prpplague: maybe you are blocked at the PBX? :) |
| 20:35.07 | prpplague | ds2: anything is possible |
| 20:36.16 | ds2 | I wonder if it is worthwhile trying to help the dillo project |
| 20:36.47 | prpplague | webkit seems more robust to me |
| 20:37.11 | ds2 | webkit as distributed in Angstrom as Ephiany seems broken |
| 20:37.23 | ds2 | or lacks proper handling of things |
| 20:38.57 | prpplague | they must have me totally blocked or something |
| 20:41.09 | prpplague | ok, i've tried ever extension in their legal department |
| 20:41.11 | prpplague | all 112 |
| 20:41.33 | ds2 | waits for prpplague to get the cease and desist war dialing letter ;) |
| 20:41.43 | prpplague | hehe |
| 20:41.46 | landley | prpplague: I suspect that once it became a legal issue, the engineers and managers got a gag order from their in-house laywers. |
| 20:42.03 | landley | This is the "deer in the headlights freeze-up" I've commented on before. |
| 20:42.06 | MothaWork | threatening legal action against somebody attempting to contact your legal department about pending legal action is not usually liked by the courts |
| 20:42.17 | landley | It's why the lawyers need to start a paper trail with a ticking clock so they can use the silence against them. |
| 20:42.18 | prpplague | landley: i thought SFLC hasn't done anything yet |
| 20:42.24 | MothaWork | of course, if the party attempting to contact the legal department is not party to said legal action, then it's a moot point |
| 20:42.49 | prpplague | landley: you gave me the impression that it hadn't even been looked at |
| 20:43.02 | landley | I'm pretty sure it's been looked at. |
| 20:43.44 | prpplague | landley: hmm, ok |
| 20:44.51 | prpplague | MothaWork: yea, just surprised that no one even picks up the phone |
| 20:46.21 | landley | I poked the on #conservancy. I'll let you know if they answer today, it's 15 minutes before 5 on a friday so they may have wandered off already... |
| 20:47.05 | prpplague | landley: yea, np |
| 20:47.35 | prpplague | landley: just had a few mintues to spare today, thought i would harras them |
| 20:47.40 | prpplague | them==leapfrog |
| 20:49.31 | landley | Harassing them isn't necessarily helpful once the SFLC is on the job. The question is confirming the SFLC is on the job. |
| 20:50.24 | prpplague | landley: yea the problem for me is, i'm not a SFLC client, so they don't have to keep me informed |
| 20:50.38 | landley | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:51.02 | landley | prpplague: I've set it up so they don't really have to keep _me_ informed either. |
| 20:51.13 | landley | I love the fire and forget aspect of the SFLC and have told them so on several occasions. |
| 20:51.41 | landley | They tried to keep me more in the loop at first and I told them not to worry about it, bit of gear grinding going back on that now. |
| 20:51.56 | landley | That said, it is nice to be able to ask about these things in general, and that's what I'm poking them on. |
| 20:52.13 | landley | They tend to be kind of busy actually _doing_ these sort of things, though. |
| 20:52.36 | landley | I met half a dozen lawyers when I was there, but that's not enough to police an entire industry. |
| 20:53.14 | prpplague | landley: indeed i understand they are busy, just feel personally obligated to continue finding out whats going on |
| 20:53.27 | landley | And when I met them last week, they were together for a meeting about some existing busybox license enforcement action that was moving from one stage to another. I forget which one, but it wasn't leapfrog. |
| 20:53.33 | landley | Yup. |
| 20:53.40 | landley | I'll see if there's some way they can harness that productively. |
| 20:54.14 | landley | I'm sure if they _do_ get source out of them any time soon, they can bounce it off you and have you do the domain expert "is this complete corresponding compliance" checks. :) |
| 20:54.33 | prpplague | landley: its just the first time i've been able to catch mattel or leapfrog |
| 20:54.39 | prpplague | landley: yea |
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| 20:55.00 | landley | They're not going to let it go. :) |
| 20:58.43 | prpplague | landley: not like they don't have a ton of things to do, but it would be nice to have a doc that describes the roll of the person reporting the violation |
| 21:01.09 | ds2 | don't they get paid as part of the settlement? |
| 21:01.12 | landley | I hath passed that on. |
| 21:01.21 | landley | ds2: Not that I know of. |
| 21:01.24 | prpplague | ds2: nope |
| 21:01.27 | landley | I don't usually get paid as part of the settlement. |
| 21:01.30 | landley | The laywers get fees, though. |
| 21:01.47 | landley | (Not enough to keep going, though. They're funded by donations same as the linux foundation.) |
| 21:02.12 | landley | But enough to defray their actual costs for going after someone, which apparently add up fast in the legal world. |
| 21:02.16 | landley | Living in NYC, I can see that. |
| 21:02.35 | ds2 | landley: Paid as in the settlement includes covering the costs of the lawyers |
| 21:02.58 | ds2 | oh so they really are just doing it |
| 21:03.37 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.gcn.com/print/27_23/47157-1.html?topic=&CMP=OTC-RSS |
| 21:03.48 | CosmicPenguin | Good for our friends that hack open source for military purposes (you know who you are) |
| 21:04.20 | solar | landley: Do you get to see the settlement invoices? |
| 21:05.12 | prpplague | interesting job posting - http://jobview.monster.com/GetJob.aspx?JobID=75454934&JobTitle=AML+(Anti+Money+Laundering)+Supervisor&q=AML&rad=20&rad_units=miles&zip=76040&brd=1&vw=b&AVSDM=2008-09-04+16%3a04%3a00&pg=1&seq=1 |
| 21:07.03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: wanna move to texas? http://seeker.dice.com/jobsearch/servlet/JobSearch?op=302&dockey=xml/6/8/689a71f88d15d8a9c714e4ab7ba00e52@endecaindex&source=19&FREE_TEXT=embedded+linux&rating=99 |
| 21:07.39 | ds2 | are they giving a relocation shotgun + shotgun rack stipend? ;) |
| 21:07.44 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: not only no - but HELL NO |
| 21:07.52 | prpplague | ds2: of course |
| 21:08.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, funny, thats how i feel about CO and CA |
| 21:09.11 | solar | prpplague: "yea, bummer" |
| 21:09.25 | prpplague | hehe |
| 21:11.06 | ds2 | 100mA should be enough to boot the hammer right? |
| 21:11.29 | ds2 | nevermind, I'll find a proper cube |
| 21:12.01 | prpplague | ds2: 150mA is what we recommend |
| 21:12.38 | ds2 | I'm stealing power from a USB port |
| 21:13.37 | landley | solar: it's usually mentioned in the settlement document I need to sign, which they fedex me. |
| 21:13.57 | prpplague | ds2: ahh |
| 21:14.25 | landley | ds2: nail's set up to power the thing from USB, so yeah that works. |
| 21:15.08 | ds2 | let me ask this before jumping into a dead end - |
| 21:15.16 | landley | prpplague: moving to texas is too vague. I'm in texas. That would be moving to _dallas_. |
| 21:15.19 | landley | 4 hours north. |
| 21:15.45 | ds2 | I am building a custom hammer carrier but it won't have a real RS-232 port on it... what's the easiest way to look at the hammer's console? I have a hammer carrier and a fly swatter and a mess of mini clip leads |
| 21:15.50 | prpplague | landley: indeed austin and dallas are two very different places |
| 21:15.50 | solar | landley: do you think apart of the problem is that the SLFC does not go after a nominal fee to justify all the efforts? |
| 21:16.12 | ds2 | the obvious way I think is to cliplead the console port back to the hammer carrier but is there a neater way of doing it (with the flyswatter prehaps?) |
| 21:16.43 | prpplague | ds2: you can connect to the flyswatters ttl lines, but you have to be a good solderer |
| 21:17.09 | prpplague | ds2: otherwise you need a rs-232 level shifter |
| 21:17.21 | ds2 | prplague: trying to piggyback on some other existing one |
| 21:17.31 | ds2 | okay, then cliplead to the hammer carrier it is |
| 21:17.38 | prpplague | ds2: yea |
| 21:17.57 | landley | solar: every single settlement I've seen involves a payment to the SFLC that's more than I spent launching Linucon. |
| 21:18.00 | ds2 | prpplague: soldering is not an issue, I been assemblying SOIC and SOT-223's stuffs already |
| 21:18.13 | landley | And those are for the ones that settle _quickly_. |
| 21:18.45 | prpplague | ds2: the next rev of the flyswatter will have pads for ttl level |
| 21:19.01 | prpplague | ds2: but on the one you have, you'd need to solder to some leds on teh level shifter |
| 21:19.05 | ds2 | prpplague: I need this working by next wednesday for Vision |
| 21:19.15 | landley | Eric and I honestly haven't asked them for money. That was never a motivation for us doing this, and the first time they offered any to us we told them to keep it. |
| 21:19.22 | landley | Erik, I mean. |
| 21:19.58 | prpplague | ds2: hehe you taking a hammer board to Vision? |
| 21:20.07 | ds2 | prpplague: yes, hammer will be talking to the beagle |
| 21:20.15 | prpplague | cute |
| 21:20.28 | ds2 | prpplague: another quickie... I assume i can talk to the level shifter by putting a header on the prototyping area? |
| 21:20.55 | ds2 | so I got electrical and mechanical stuff to do in the next few days :( |
| 21:21.23 | prpplague | ds2: yea, one sec, let me look at the schematic |
| 21:23.33 | prpplague | ds2: which carrier board rev do you have? rev-c ? |
| 21:23.40 | ds2 | am I being stupid? there looks like a header block with the signals I need |
| 21:23.46 | ds2 | yes, rev-c |
| 21:24.01 | prpplague | ds2: you don't want to use the db9? |
| 21:24.14 | ds2 | I do |
| 21:24.39 | ds2 | I just want to turn the carrier board into a RS-232 shifter |
| 21:24.47 | ds2 | and it looks like I cna patch in TX0/RX0 through JP2 |
| 21:25.01 | prpplague | yea you can access it with the JP2 header |
| 21:27.04 | prpplague | looks at sparkfun for a shifter |
| 21:28.01 | ds2 | it is a matter of what's most readily usable... I got 5 MAX3232 sitting around but I really don't feel like wiring it up just for some debugging |
| 21:30.59 | prpplague | ds2: yea, i was going to add the sfe part to the web page for reference |
| 21:31.28 | ds2 | last I checked, the SFE part used transistors and had some issues |
| 21:33.37 | prpplague | ds2: http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=449 |
| 21:34.44 | ds2 | that has issues with some corner cases |
| 21:35.22 | prpplague | ds2: such as? |
| 21:36.04 | ds2 | prpplague: form devices actually want the full RS-232 levels on input but don't put out enough voltage |
| 21:36.19 | ds2 | prpplague: also anything that is also parasitic like that device won't work well |
| 21:37.18 | prpplague | ds2: that doesn't appear to used parasitick |
| 21:37.37 | ds2 | prplague: look at the schematic |
| 21:37.47 | ds2 | nevermind |
| 21:37.49 | ds2 | mis read |
| 21:37.50 | prpplague | looks |
| 21:38.14 | ds2 | there is a version floating around that pulls Vcc from the other side |
| 21:38.42 | prpplague | ds2: yea, i've seen that one around |
| 21:38.52 | ds2 | I think this one doesn;t do the negative voltages |
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| 21:39.10 | ds2 | and at Vcc =5V, there are some things that aren't going to be happy |
| 21:39.28 | ds2 | I think the older garmin GPS"s put out 0-5V and some people had problems, esp. on laptops |
| 21:39.56 | prpplague | ds2: yea they use a small cap to do the negative voltage |
| 21:40.13 | prpplague | ds2: not very robust |
| 21:40.40 | ds2 | prpplague: I actually ran into that issue trying to talk to some off the shelf instrument |
| 21:40.57 | ds2 | in the end the client redid the protoboard using a 1488/1489 |
| 21:43.00 | ds2 | it works! |
| 21:43.23 | prpplague | ds2: the hot wired carrier board works? |
| 21:43.23 | ds2 | now to load a new kernel in there |
| 21:43.28 | ds2 | prpplague: yep |
| 21:43.48 | prpplague | ds2: you know you didn't have to load the kernel via the uart, you could have jtag'd it on |
| 21:44.08 | ds2 | prpplague: I need the UART for other things, not the kernel |
| 21:44.16 | prpplague | ds2: ahh ok |
| 21:44.41 | ds2 | I am not building a FS image, I am changing the FS on the board itself |
| 21:44.45 | ds2 | so a console port helps there ;) |
| 21:45.20 | ds2 | heh.. the default kernel works (mostly) |
| 21:45.27 | prpplague | ds2: wait.... i didn't think you still worked for MV |
| 21:45.40 | ds2 | prpplague: nevertheless |
| 21:46.11 | prpplague | ds2: so who are you doing the demo for at Visions? |
| 21:46.23 | prpplague | ds2: i should say, who are you representing? |
| 21:46.26 | ds2 | prpplague: I am doing a talk and this is part of the talk |
| 21:46.32 | ds2 | prpplague: myself |
| 21:46.37 | prpplague | ds2: ahh |
| 21:46.45 | prpplague | ds2: title of the "talk" is what? |
| 21:46.53 | ds2 | prpplague: PPP |
| 21:47.15 | prpplague | ds2: i see |
| 21:47.23 | ds2 | and if I don't finish, it'll be change to be a talk about sticking out your tongue ;) |
| 21:47.27 | prpplague | ds2: gonna mention the use of the hammer? |
| 21:47.47 | ds2 | prpplague: yep. hammer and beagle. the beagle will serve slide and be a web brower |
| 21:48.17 | prpplague | lovely |
| 21:48.31 | prpplague | heads home for the day |
| 21:48.34 | prpplague | later folks |
| 21:48.38 | ds2 | it is an embedded show. it will be using embedded stuff :) |
| 21:48.47 | prpplague | ds2: i've be online some this weekend if you have questions |
| 21:48.53 | ds2 | thanks |
| 21:48.56 | prpplague | ds2: yea, i had a invite |
| 21:49.15 | prpplague | brad want me to do some jtag and board bringup stuff |
| 21:49.42 | prpplague | just didn't have time |
| 21:49.45 | prpplague | later |
| 21:50.59 | solar | ds2: this show in the bay area? |
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| 22:22.42 | ds2 | solar: yes, in SF |
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| 23:31.15 | CosmicPenguin | feels better about himself |
| 23:31.29 | CosmicPenguin | Why is it I always do things like push patches at 5:30 on Friday afternoon? |
| 23:34.12 | CosmicPenguin | And ACPI patches to boot |
| 23:34.15 | CosmicPenguin | I should go take a shower |
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| 23:59.58 | ds2 | :q! |
| 23:59.58 | ds2 | pwd |
