| 00:09.40 | prpplague | landley ahh you told me that, but it didn't clikc |
| 00:09.43 | prpplague | click |
| 00:09.57 | prpplague | landley fade didn't go? |
| 00:14.07 | ds2 | it is shocking what stock x86 desktop folks want to do with Linux :( |
| 00:47.53 | landley | prpplague: HP was only willing to fly me up. |
| 00:47.56 | landley | But she's got Spore. |
| 00:48.15 | landley | I'm not actually seeing _that_ much less of her this week than I have since Spore came out, really. |
| 00:48.23 | landley | She estimates another couple weeks of this anyway... |
| 00:48.31 | landley | ds2: dbus was a mistake. |
| 00:48.54 | landley | Windows NT had a Hardware Abstraction Layer. Linux decided to implement one. How could they POSSIBLY consider that a good thing? |
| 00:49.06 | landley | Even if they mean very different things, DON'T CALL IT THAT. |
| 00:50.50 | ds2 | landley: dbus is an old mistake, I got back from LPC and a lot of the stuff they were talking about there is just scary |
| 00:51.07 | ds2 | fat init replacements like 'upstart' |
| 00:51.57 | landley | ds2: upstart isn't bad in theory. No idea what their implementation is like. |
| 00:52.13 | landley | I may do one for toybox once I finally sit down and read the documentation so I know what it's supposed to _do_. |
| 00:52.17 | ds2 | landley: too big, too fat... IMO, even sysv init is too fat |
| 00:52.29 | landley | ds2: did you see my "oneit" in toybox? |
| 00:52.33 | ds2 | there are times i consider not even having a real init |
| 00:52.46 | ds2 | landley: no, got a link to toybox handy? |
| 00:52.48 | landley | Runs a single command line as a child process (with the console and signal handling and such set up right so ctrl-c works if it's a shell.) |
| 00:52.56 | landley | Shuts the system down when that command exits. |
| 00:53.06 | ds2 | working ctrl-c in a shell is a major++ |
| 00:53.10 | landley | http://landley.net/code/toybox should have a link to the downloads page and archive. |
| 00:53.28 | landley | ds2: I mean init=/bin/oneit /bin/bash |
| 00:53.57 | landley | I think you can even do init=/bin/oneit -c /dev/ttyS0 /bin/bash |
| 00:54.14 | landley | Normally I just have my setup shell script exec oneit at the end... |
| 00:54.29 | landley | If you just do init=/bin/bash you have no terminal control. :P |
| 00:54.31 | ds2 | ah, thought /bin/oneit will automatically kick off a shell |
| 00:54.44 | landley | ds2: I could make it do that, but I programmed it to exec its command line instead. |
| 00:54.49 | landley | More flexible that way. |
| 00:54.58 | ds2 | that's fine |
| 00:55.00 | landley | It's another maybe 3 lines to build in a shell option, though. |
| 00:55.08 | landley | I just haven't bothered. |
| 00:55.20 | landley | "I'm lazy" and "my designs are simple" turn out to be compatible concepts. |
| 00:55.29 | landley | You just have to figure out how to make being extremely lazy work _for_ you... |
| 00:56.12 | ds2 | that's just part of it... the talks about tigher integration with hald for the V4L and ALSA stuff is not good |
| 00:56.56 | ds2 | then there is the movement of all the graphics stuff into the kernel :( |
| 01:50.53 | MonMotha | the idea behind dbus is neat. The implementation absolutely sucks and is clearly overly complicated |
| 01:51.04 | MonMotha | The idea behind hald is also neat; too bad it crashes constantly. |
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| 15:03.29 | solar | waking up to find your quad core desktop is not really fun |
| 15:03.33 | solar | dead |
| 15:03.42 | prpplague | solar: doh |
| 15:04.05 | chouimat|work | ouch |
| 15:04.10 | CosmicPenguin | AMD? |
| 15:04.16 | prpplague | solar: have one funeral is bad enough, but 4 is really bad |
| 15:04.32 | chouimat|work | raise his glass to the dead quad core |
| 15:06.34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: probably, hehe |
| 15:06.57 | CosmicPenguin | yeah, thanks |
| 15:07.25 | solar | prpplague: Not sure it's actually dead however. It's done this before where it acts like it semi forgets where pci devices are. Forgets to get to the bootloader. But then after a few days of being off. It just works again. |
| 15:07.54 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: just joking with ya |
| 15:07.57 | chouimat|work | solar: nice computer ... sound a lot like my ex-wife |
| 15:08.16 | CosmicPenguin | That might be static related - everything grounded? |
| 15:08.23 | CosmicPenguin | pull the CMOS battery |
| 15:09.41 | solar | CosmicPenguin: that suggestion was for me? |
| 15:10.39 | CosmicPenguin | solar: indeed |
| 15:12.45 | solar | worth a try. It's some intel motherboard extreme foo which I think is know for being less than perfectly stable. |
| 15:22.17 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: http://www.fossilfuelsbrewingco.com/ |
| 15:23.52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe that neat |
| 15:24.07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: home it doesn't activate some dormant caveman genes |
| 15:24.23 | CosmicPenguin | I wonder how I can get a taste - maybe they will be at the GABF |
| 15:25.56 | solar | it's 73miles from me. If I start to see it around here I can mail ya guys a case |
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| 15:28.42 | prpplague | solar: hehe, not unless you want to go jail |
| 15:28.53 | prpplague | solar: illegal to ship beer across into texas, hehe |
| 15:29.25 | chouimat|work | prpplague: soon it will be illegal to live there ... |
| 15:29.25 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.r4nd0m.com/Candle.html |
| 15:29.29 | CosmicPenguin | Good for halloween |
| 15:29.37 | prpplague | chouimat|work: ?? |
| 15:29.42 | chouimat|work | prpplague: :) |
| 15:30.08 | prpplague | chouimat|work: ahh |
| 15:30.25 | chouimat|work | prpplague: I know I'm obscure today |
| 15:30.35 | prpplague | doesn't feel well today |
| 15:30.52 | prpplague | i totally hate owning a house |
| 15:31.11 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: its a pita |
| 15:31.19 | chouimat|work | prpplague: could be worse ... you could be spending your time with asm outputs and oprofile data :) |
| 15:31.50 | prpplague | chouimat|work: indeed |
| 15:32.01 | g1powermac_PB | though with this house we're renting, it sure seems like we own it |
| 15:32.06 | solar | nice. I have a guy who drives back and forth to SJC from Yosemite. He said it's not his normal route but would be willing to go that route to pick some up |
| 15:32.11 | g1powermac_PB | I never done so many fixes to a house |
| 15:32.21 | prpplague | solar: hehe |
| 15:33.46 | solar | blah. who makes up the laws in texas. |
| 15:33.51 | solar | oh that guy |
| 15:34.36 | chouimat|work | solar: the one with the bigger gun =) |
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| 15:35.04 | g1powermac_PB | meh, drinking laws out here are crazy |
| 15:35.13 | g1powermac_PB | town to town its different |
| 15:35.22 | prpplague | solar: AB, miller, and coors |
| 15:35.30 | prpplague | solar: they make the laws regarding beer |
| 15:35.57 | g1powermac_PB | like where I'm living now the town allows liquor stores but the county doesn't |
| 15:36.07 | prpplague | solar: which is why we have less than 10 microbreweries in the whole state |
| 15:36.20 | solar | you poor poor men |
| 15:36.48 | solar | I thought austin was booming with them |
| 15:37.13 | prpplague | solar: i think there are only 3 or 4 in austin |
| 15:37.20 | CosmicPenguin | Texas isn't known for its brewing accumen |
| 15:38.10 | prpplague | nope |
| 15:38.13 | CosmicPenguin | I only know of Shiner Bock |
| 15:38.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: and AB, coors, and miller want it to stay that way |
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| 15:38.28 | CosmicPenguin | I'm sure there are others - I think I tried one from Fort Worth one time that was pretty tasty |
| 15:38.47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea rahr and sons is pretty decent |
| 15:38.54 | solar | you guys make it up to the pac northwest much? |
| 15:39.01 | prpplague | not i |
| 15:39.31 | CosmicPenguin | AT the GABF, your beer has to be extraordinarly good for me to remember it |
| 15:39.37 | solar | Lots of really cool/funky breweys in the seattle/oregon area. |
| 15:39.42 | CosmicPenguin | and even then, if I can't buy it in colorado, I'll probably forget |
| 15:39.49 | prpplague | doesn't care for yankee territory |
| 15:39.52 | solar | the ones in CA I'm less impressed by |
| 15:40.04 | chouimat|work | prpplague: http://calpolynews.calpoly.edu/magazine/Spring-08/ancient-ale.html |
| 15:40.14 | prpplague | solar: yea seattle area is packed with them |
| 15:40.35 | CosmicPenguin | Whats funny is that at the opening party for LPC, the bar had a New Belgium beer on tap |
| 15:40.38 | CosmicPenguin | in Portland |
| 15:40.44 | CosmicPenguin | and funnier that everybody was drinking it |
| 15:40.51 | chouimat|work | CosmicPenguin: good? |
| 15:40.59 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah - Mighty Arrow - its good |
| 15:41.00 | solar | usually yes. |
| 15:42.21 | chouimat|work | can see this in a few years: prpplague's Embedded Linux Services, Nudie Bar and Brewing co :) |
| 15:42.58 | g1powermac_PB | hah |
| 15:43.01 | CosmicPenguin | I have a buddy that is getting pretty good at brewing, I have money ready for that venture |
| 15:44.32 | prpplague | chouimat|work: it's my life long fream |
| 15:44.39 | prpplague | dream |
| 15:44.39 | chouimat|work | hehe |
| 15:45.03 | chouimat|work | "Barkeep a pint of Naked Jtag please!" |
| 15:45.22 | prpplague | chouimat|work: don't have to take potential linux customers out the to nudie bar, they can just stay at the office |
| 15:45.45 | chouimat|work | =) |
| 15:45.59 | CosmicPenguin | for the "Cosmic Penguin Ale", I want a obscene amount of hops |
| 15:47.38 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 15:49.20 | solar | ya know I think there is a pub in portland oregon called "'The Space' something or another" thats right around the corner from the bagdad that might sell a brew by that name. |
| 15:50.36 | solar | or not anymore you seem to be most of the hits in google. |
| 15:50.36 | prpplague | chouimat|work: whats the name of the pub downtown square there in ottawa, something about a lawyer/attorney ? |
| 15:50.45 | CosmicPenguin | There is a Boulder brewery that does a Killer Penguin barley wine |
| 15:51.28 | prpplague | anyone else have a problem with /. 's +/- feature lately? |
| 15:53.14 | CosmicPenguin | I hardly go to /. anymore - I read them through google reader |
| 15:54.41 | prpplague | http://lmaugustin.typepad.com/lma/2008/09/commercial-open-source-in-europe-verses-the-us.html |
| 15:54.43 | prpplague | so so true |
| 15:55.44 | prpplague | 95% of tincantools sales are outside the US |
| 15:57.51 | CosmicPenguin | I dunno about the dual licensing one |
| 15:57.54 | prpplague | man wiav is really going after people now |
| 15:57.59 | CosmicPenguin | I mean, the poster child for dual licensing was MySQL |
| 15:58.31 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, that one was a little questionable, but overall i agree that the rest of world views OSS very differently than the US |
| 15:58.37 | prpplague | (in general) |
| 15:58.40 | CosmicPenguin | for sure |
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| 15:59.36 | CosmicPenguin | But I don't know how down I am with Larry Augstin |
| 16:00.04 | prpplague | yea |
| 16:00.14 | CosmicPenguin | There is a reason why I don't work for an open source software company |
| 16:00.43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: which is? |
| 16:01.39 | CosmicPenguin | that I have trouble merging my software beliefs with a business model |
| 16:02.02 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ahh |
| 16:02.28 | CosmicPenguin | At my core, I understand what I am doing here - I am supporting my family |
| 16:02.34 | CosmicPenguin | I am lucky to be doing what I love and what I am good at |
| 16:03.25 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, i am being constantly presured to start doing wince dev |
| 16:03.39 | CosmicPenguin | My general rule of thumb is - can I explain myself to my father (who is a very good financer and businessman?) |
| 16:03.55 | CosmicPenguin | I can if my company sells hardware, and I teach people how to program them with open source |
| 16:04.08 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ahh interesting |
| 16:04.18 | CosmicPenguin | not so much if I make some random "Open Sources systems/application managment" program (from Augstin's company's list) |
| 16:04.25 | CosmicPenguin | what the hell is that, and how are they making money? |
| 16:04.39 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i follow you |
| 16:05.10 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: so what are saying actually backs up one of his assertions |
| 16:05.57 | CosmicPenguin | which is? |
| 16:06.10 | prpplague | "This contrasts with our thinking in the US that services models are not scalable and that the models should be product based." |
| 16:06.36 | CosmicPenguin | yeah, sort of |
| 16:06.51 | prpplague | US markets want a "product" to sell, which just happens to have OSS that goes along with it |
| 16:07.01 | CosmicPenguin | I think he's thinking about say Microsoft Word that comes in a box rather then services |
| 16:07.21 | CosmicPenguin | We don't sell open source as a product, we offer it in support of our product |
| 16:07.30 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: exactly |
| 16:07.53 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: we are pretty much the same in that aspect |
| 16:07.58 | CosmicPenguin | indeed |
| 16:08.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: we are trying to sell hardware, not OSS |
| 16:08.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the OSS just makes it easier to sell the hardware |
| 16:08.21 | CosmicPenguin | my point being - the open source world we live in is much different then that of people like Augstin |
| 16:08.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: indeed |
| 16:08.45 | CosmicPenguin | So on one hand, he has good points, but on the other hand, not much of what he says is interesting to us |
| 16:09.01 | CosmicPenguin | But the part that is interesting goes to show the difference in how US and european kernel hackers operate |
| 16:09.23 | CosmicPenguin | because to an extent, they mirror the behaviors of the upper layers |
| 16:10.32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: agreed, but i think it also mirrors something at the core of american culture where most americans don't care about "what's inside" |
| 16:10.57 | CosmicPenguin | Sure |
| 16:11.07 | CosmicPenguin | Most of the time, I don't care, if it works |
| 16:11.24 | CosmicPenguin | The problem is, it doesn't often work |
| 16:11.35 | CosmicPenguin | My Tivo works - I don't care to hack it |
| 16:11.49 | CosmicPenguin | My phone doesn't work (running Linux, btw) and I want to get rid of it |
| 16:12.26 | prpplague | yea |
| 16:12.47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: but i don't think it is limited to the US, i tried to push for the usage of OSS there in barbados |
| 16:12.47 | CosmicPenguin | anyway |
| 16:13.09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: they were totally uninterested |
| 16:13.12 | CosmicPenguin | Its not news that kernel hackers are just way cooler then everybody else |
| 16:13.24 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:13.52 | CosmicPenguin | ever meet an "IT" guy that thinks he is l33t because he installed Ubuntu? |
| 16:14.02 | prpplague | hehe indeed |
| 16:14.09 | CosmicPenguin | I derive too much guilty pleasure from that |
| 16:14.25 | prpplague | actually the ones i know are more prideful of installing gentoo |
| 16:14.35 | solar | hides |
| 16:15.07 | prpplague | is just plain miserable today |
| 16:15.47 | prpplague | grumbles about all the bills related to owning a house |
| 16:16.48 | solar | did you have a fixed mortage rate? |
| 16:17.05 | prpplague | yea |
| 16:17.22 | solar | you are lucky there. |
| 16:17.30 | prpplague | i just hate all the stuff that goes with it |
| 16:17.50 | prpplague | property taxes, house insurance, hoa dues, yard work , pest control |
| 16:18.10 | solar | my sister already had to give up her house. Got another guy at work who has to get out of his. (wife 2x preggers and mortgage 3k a month payments) |
| 16:18.32 | solar | another guy at my work. His payments when from 1700 a month to like 3700 a month |
| 16:19.16 | wmat | wow |
| 16:19.17 | prpplague | yea mine isn't bad, i just don't like owning, i'd much prefer renting a townhouse or condo |
| 16:20.02 | solar | Not me. I'm in a condo now and I'd give up in a heartbeat to be in a proper house again |
| 16:20.39 | prpplague | yea, i'm odd man out |
| 16:20.39 | g1powermac | solar, renting a full house is interesting compared to a condo or townhouse |
| 16:20.40 | solar | I like to play music really loud and I'm sick of the security and police showing up at my house asking meto turn it down. |
| 16:21.48 | prpplague | i think they say something like 70% of a persons wealth will be equity in their home |
| 16:21.55 | g1powermac | solar, you get some of the benefits of renting, ie major things get fixed after bugging the crap out of the landlord |
| 16:22.05 | g1powermac | solar, but you still have to do other mundane things |
| 16:22.25 | g1powermac | though you do get your complete privacy as you don't share walls with your neighbors |
| 16:22.25 | solar | g1powermac_PB: ya I've rented a few. But the bay area is quite spendy. When I first moved here ppl laughed at me for saying I wanted to rent a house and did not want to pay more than 1700 a month. |
| 16:22.28 | wmat | is not a fan of yard work either |
| 16:22.37 | g1powermac | solar, heh, yea |
| 16:23.04 | prpplague | wmat: thats my favorite part of renting, no yard |
| 16:23.15 | prpplague | wmat: or if there is one it is taken care of |
| 16:23.15 | solar | rocks and mulch! |
| 16:23.21 | g1powermac | prpplague, heh, 90% of our wealth is in shoes ;-) |
| 16:23.26 | prpplague | solar: can't HOA |
| 16:23.41 | wmat | prpplague: my neighbours are all yard nazis, which doesn't help in my effort to do as little yard work as possible |
| 16:23.54 | solar | oh. Yeah the HOA is a nightmare here also. |
| 16:24.03 | g1powermac | actually enjoys doing yardwork |
| 16:24.13 | g1powermac | as long as it isn't 90+ degrees outside |
| 16:24.16 | wmat | enjoys drinking in the yard |
| 16:24.29 | prpplague | wmat: amen |
| 16:24.40 | g1powermac | if I had my way right now, I would have built a massive shed outside |
| 16:24.52 | wmat | prefers drinking in the neighbours yards though, as they are much nicer ;) |
| 16:24.55 | g1powermac | but then again, I love construction too |
| 16:25.21 | wmat | we're going through a Crane Fly infestation right now |
| 16:26.18 | g1powermac | would so do what T0mW is doing with his house |
| 16:26.50 | g1powermac | though I'd have to hire somebody to do the drywalling, as I absolutely suck at it ;-) |
| 16:26.57 | solar | used to like construction. Was quite into that before comps. Now it's hard to get me to want to go outside in the heat |
| 16:27.32 | g1powermac | and prolly the roofing as well, not too fond of heights |
| 16:27.50 | g1powermac | especially badly pitched roofs |
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| 16:48.33 | solar | did a few roofing jobs. Those are pretty bad. Hot as heck on a roof in the summer while doing stuff like ripping the old shingles off. Had to give it up when i was on a low pitched roof actually and was carrying a 4x8 sheet of plywood and slipped and almost went right off the roof. |
| 16:49.09 | g1powermac | ouch |
| 16:49.10 | solar | used to paint houses so the heights never really bothered me till that happen |
| 16:49.18 | g1powermac | yea, can imagine |
| 16:49.29 | chouimat|work | prpplague: sorry was out for lunch it's the honest lawyer and it's just the other side of the street from where I work |
| 16:50.21 | g1powermac | solar, the part I hate most is getting off the extension ladder and onto the roof |
| 17:04.21 | MothaWork | hey now, drywall isn't too bad |
| 17:04.28 | MothaWork | roofing, however, does suck |
| 17:04.43 | g1powermac | MothaWork, drywall may not be too bad, I just suck at it ;-) |
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| 17:16.00 | MothaWork | I can't do corners |
| 17:16.02 | MothaWork | I'm ok otherwise |
| 17:17.07 | g1powermac | http://slashdot.org/articles/08/09/24/1421211.shtml |
| 17:17.22 | g1powermac | february is gonna be fun for the whole family! |
| 17:17.56 | g1powermac | we know quite a few people out here that don't do cable service |
| 17:18.08 | g1powermac | heck, there's prolly quite a few that can't even get cable |
| 17:18.36 | g1powermac | good thing we don't sell electronics :-) |
| 17:20.15 | MothaWork | I have a PCI tuner, but I should probably pick up a STB for my ancient TV, too |
| 17:21.03 | g1powermac | only good thing to come out of the digital switch is that it'll get rid of that pesky interference when using my UHF transmitter ;-) |
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| 17:53.00 | solar | g1powermac: Yeah me also these days. But when I was ~20 I used to run up and down a 40 foot ladder and jump to a roof like it was just some household stairs |
| 18:01.48 | chouimat|work | http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=974395&cid=25137009 <---- hehehehehehehe |
| 18:05.41 | CosmicPenguin | The whole thing reminds me of a simpsons episode (surprise, surprise) |
| 18:06.01 | CosmicPenguin | They change the area code, and unsurprisingly homer didn't grok |
| 18:06.09 | CosmicPenguin | he says "The worse thing was there wasn't a word of warning" |
| 18:06.32 | CosmicPenguin | And his friends say "What do you mean? There were ads during the Super Bowl, they dropped flyers from a blimp, and there was that week we all spent at area code camp" |
| 18:07.07 | CosmicPenguin | My local TV station continually crawls information about the DTV change - 24 hours a day, 7 days a week |
| 18:07.20 | CosmicPenguin | Every 3rd add is about the DTV transition |
| 18:07.23 | CosmicPenguin | s/add/ad/ |
| 18:07.26 | chouimat|work | http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=974395&cid=25137105 |
| 18:07.30 | chouimat|work | CosmicPenguin: ^^^^ |
| 18:08.11 | CosmicPenguin | If you are so stupid and unaware not to realize that something is going to happen in Feburary, then you deserve what you get |
| 18:08.38 | CosmicPenguin | and the government should collect the folks who complain, and post a list, like the sex-offender list so that we can keep our kids away |
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| 19:19.51 | prpplague | kgilmer: greetings |
| 19:20.41 | kgilmer | hey prpplague |
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| 19:52.18 | g1powermac | solar, man, I just don't have the guts to do that, and I'm 22 :-) |
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| 20:33.08 | prpplague | solar: got a job offer for santa clara, ca |
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| 21:09.13 | g1powermac | nice, the ps3 is finally starting to crack: http://hackaday.com/2008/09/24/ps3-ecc-algorithm-reversed/#comments |
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| 21:56.03 | wmat | prpplague: you going to move or propose remote? |
| 21:59.24 | prpplague | wmat: naw, they'd want me to move |
| 21:59.34 | prpplague | wmat: and i just _won't_ move to california |
| 22:01.16 | wmat | oh well |
| 22:01.33 | wmat | was it anyone interesting? |
| 22:01.49 | prpplague | qualcomm |
| 22:02.00 | CosmicPenguin | hah - for that linux developers position? |
| 22:02.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, i email back for info |
| 22:02.45 | CosmicPenguin | I know something of that gig |
| 22:02.52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: they spam the mailing list on linkedin or something? |
| 22:03.19 | CosmicPenguin | Actually no, I have other sources |
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| 22:46.58 | solar | if they are offering >120k you shoudl take it. |
| 22:47.45 | CosmicPenguin | In santa clara? Seriously? |
| 22:47.55 | solar | sure |
| 22:48.09 | CosmicPenguin | seems pretty low |
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| 23:23.25 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 23:23.36 | g1powermac | yo yo yo |
| 23:23.53 | prpplague | g1powermac amen |
| 23:24.44 | prpplague | is in a pissy mood |
| 23:24.55 | g1powermac | meh |
| 23:25.00 | g1powermac | isn't feeling well |
| 23:25.12 | g1powermac | actually, I haven't felt well in weeks |
| 23:25.44 | prpplague | g1powermac this more of stress |
| 23:26.01 | g1powermac | ahh fun |
| 23:26.17 | g1powermac | my problem is from the constant gallbladder problems |
| 23:28.09 | g1powermac | one day the surgery will finally take place. . . |
| 23:28.55 | g1powermac | prpplague, so whats stressing ya out? |
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