| 00:01.58 | *** join/#edev joe_bleau (n=joe_blea@adsl-69-152-217-93.dsl.fyvlar.swbell.net) |
| 00:04.36 | g1powermac | smashes RobotGuy's sledge hammer with a 12lb sledge hammer ;-) |
| 00:04.54 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: Poor Sledge.. |
| 00:10.05 | ds2 | smashes it all with a steam hammer |
| 00:13.40 | g1powermac | oooo, steam hammer |
| 00:13.57 | g1powermac | though I like pneumatic hammers too |
| 00:14.27 | g1powermac | prpplague, we got lots of names for new products that end with 'hammer' ;-) |
| 00:15.26 | joe_bleau | hammer toe? waterhammer? |
| 00:15.31 | solar | opts for a roto hammer.. Lot less work. |
| 00:18.56 | prpplague | hammerhead |
| 00:19.28 | joe_bleau | hammer and sickle? |
| 00:19.30 | RobotGuy | warhammer |
| 00:19.35 | RobotGuy | Not as good |
| 00:19.45 | RobotGuy | prefers Jack Hammer |
| 00:20.27 | joe_bleau | middle ear terms:hammer/anvil/stirrup? |
| 00:20.44 | *** join/#edev ce_geek (i=roger@c-24-61-92-226.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) |
| 00:21.14 | RobotGuy | I already seem to have an inner ear problem. |
| 00:23.08 | *** join/#edev kay2 (n=key2@193.33.36.20) |
| 00:23.41 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, oh, speaking of medical stuff, I went to see the new surgeon today |
| 00:23.47 | g1powermac | this guy was much better |
| 00:23.55 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: Good. |
| 00:24.34 | g1powermac | he even recommended for me to go see the hospital's cardiologist before the surgery to make sure my heart condition doesn't cause problems |
| 00:25.49 | Ian_Daniher | g1powermac: what's your surgery for? I'm well-versed in the art of being put under and brought back, successfully. |
| 00:26.46 | *** join/#edev chouimat (n=dieu@r2351064.cidc.net) |
| 00:27.18 | g1powermac | Ian_Daniher, gallbladder |
| 00:27.20 | prpplague | solar when you get home give me a shout |
| 00:28.01 | *** join/#edev pea (n=pea@adsl-68-23-85-172.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) |
| 00:28.39 | Ian_Daniher | g1powermac: :/ |
| 00:30.05 | g1powermac | has this heart condition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradycardia |
| 00:30.25 | g1powermac | I've had a heart rate drop below 40 bpm |
| 00:30.47 | dbtid | opposite of tachycardia? |
| 00:30.54 | g1powermac | not sure |
| 00:30.56 | dbtid | my sister-in-law is having trouble with that, iirc |
| 00:31.00 | dbtid | heart goes too fast |
| 00:31.07 | dbtid | not an arrythmia, iirc |
| 00:31.09 | dbtid | just too fast |
| 00:31.18 | g1powermac | ahh, then its that then |
| 00:31.39 | dbtid | well, best of luck on the surgery then |
| 00:31.43 | g1powermac | thanks |
| 00:32.32 | prpplague | Ian_Daniher he's getting a lebotomy so he can fit in with the rest of residents in KY |
| 00:32.37 | Ian_Daniher | prpplague: lol |
| 00:32.44 | Ian_Daniher | KY is just awesome like that |
| 00:33.18 | Ian_Daniher | lives a stone throw's away from KY |
| 00:33.30 | g1powermac | prpplague, heheh |
| 00:33.48 | ds2 | do the KY folks do as much distillation as the neighbors in TN? |
| 00:34.17 | prpplague | ds2 naw, they quit doing that, now they just go to the gas station and pick up a jug of kerosene |
| 00:34.28 | ds2 | heheh |
| 00:34.49 | RobotGuy | Gives a whole new meaning to fire water. |
| 00:35.47 | ds2 | the didj as it seems to be half way decent (played with one earlier) |
| 00:35.49 | g1powermac | ds2, nah, they goto eastern KY to pick up some weed ;-) |
| 00:36.03 | prpplague | ds2 oh yea? where? |
| 00:36.16 | ds2 | prpplague: Target. they had a demo station |
| 00:36.17 | g1powermac | supposedly its supports the entire economy in eastern KY |
| 00:36.28 | prpplague | hmm.... |
| 00:36.44 | prpplague | i might expand on my idea of the snap away board |
| 00:36.56 | g1powermac | Ian_Daniher, so what state are you in? |
| 00:37.02 | prpplague | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8632 |
| 00:37.23 | Ian_Daniher | g1powermac: OH |
| 00:37.23 | prpplague | hmm, i could make a pcb that fits in that, but you can snap away to use in an altoid tin |
| 00:38.26 | ds2 | anyone else noticed how painful it is to buy some blue SMD LEDs? |
| 00:38.30 | RobotGuy | People ask me what state I am in all the time. I just say "Altered" |
| 00:38.32 | g1powermac | Ian_Daniher, ahh, fun |
| 00:38.43 | Ian_Daniher | g1powermac: yep :D |
| 00:38.54 | Ian_Daniher | RobotGuy: lol! |
| 00:39.05 | RobotGuy | There's no option for that on web forms though.. |
| 00:39.28 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, hehe |
| 00:39.40 | g1powermac | ooo, this is fun |
| 00:40.01 | g1powermac | has gotten a disk with scanned images of his chest x-ray and ultrasound of his gallbladder |
| 00:40.17 | joe_bleau | prpplague: looks like you and GPSFan have been making progress on Didj |
| 00:40.30 | g1powermac | only thing with ultrasounds, I can never figure out what the heck I'm looking at |
| 00:41.01 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 00:41.36 | GPSFan | joe_bleau: mostly prpplague and roxfan. I just wrote up a little wiki page. |
| 00:42.23 | joe_bleau | Well, your work caught my eye. Any progress on cpu ID? |
| 00:42.52 | g1powermac | so who wants to see my chest xray? ;-) |
| 00:42.59 | GPSFan | joe_bleau: prpplague thinks it may be a phillips/nxp part maybe off catalog/semi custom |
| 00:43.35 | joe_bleau | nxp? Wouldn't have guessed that. Wow. (I was thinking OMAP or Marvell.) |
| 00:44.02 | GPSFan | still under investigation, I suggested de-lidding the part. |
| 00:44.51 | joe_bleau | Wonder if that dude that bunnie links to would do a cheap look-see for us. |
| 00:45.19 | roxfan | joe_bleau: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1192926 <- i/o ranges |
| 00:45.33 | roxfan | prpplague thinks this looks like nxp |
| 00:45.38 | joe_bleau | Yeah, I watch the revent changes on elinux |
| 00:45.42 | ds2 | GPSFan: what suggested NXP? thought he eliminated it last night? |
| 00:45.44 | joe_bleau | Oh, interesting angle. |
| 00:45.57 | g1powermac | http://www.thisoldgadget.com/chest.jpg |
| 00:46.08 | GPSFan | ds2: you got me I'm just repeating what prpplague said. |
| 00:46.26 | ds2 | 'k |
| 00:46.53 | ds2 | guess a delid + QX3 should be able to confirm it |
| 00:48.07 | joe_bleau | Flylogic is the dude I'm thinking of. |
| 00:48.24 | RobotGuy | GPSFan: So, you admit you are just prpplague's puppet? ;) |
| 00:48.50 | g1powermac | points RobotGuy to look at the xray ;-) |
| 00:49.06 | GPSFan | ~lart RobotGuy |
| 00:49.06 | purl | takes large quantities of Krispy Kream donuts and stuffs them one after another down RobotGuy's throat until RobotGuy puts on 150lbs |
| 00:49.38 | g1powermac | hahah |
| 00:49.44 | ds2 | wow that lart worked well! |
| 00:49.56 | g1powermac | it did something alright |
| 00:50.56 | GPSFan | must have plugged up his net connection with donuts |
| 00:51.08 | *** join/#edev RobotGuy (n=robotguy@dsl093-038-072.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 00:51.26 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, you were Krispy Kreamed! ;-) |
| 00:52.41 | RobotGuy | That was definitely NOT the button I meant to press.. |
| 00:52.50 | RobotGuy | I wanted CHOCOLATE. |
| 00:54.37 | sunrunner20 | Holy #*$&#(*$ the DART trip planner is awful |
| 00:54.51 | RobotGuy | just noticed what happened and looks at GPSFan.. |
| 00:55.34 | RobotGuy | I'm hungry - probably not the best time to go grocery shopping. |
| 00:56.19 | g1powermac | gives RobotGuy a crystalized ginger cube |
| 00:57.23 | g1powermac | man, those suckers are spicy, yet really sweet |
| 00:57.58 | GPSFan | gives RobotGuy a 10# hershey bar |
| 00:58.31 | RobotGuy | aleady weighs too much. |
| 00:58.41 | RobotGuy | *already |
| 00:58.54 | RobotGuy | This keyboard is giving me problems. |
| 00:59.16 | joe_bleau | Model M: there is no substitute |
| 01:01.54 | RobotGuy | I had a bit of an anxiety attack a few nights ago and damaged my good keyboard beyond it being usable anymore. :( |
| 01:02.21 | RobotGuy | OK, it was more than a bit of an anxiety attack - stress and frustration too. |
| 01:03.03 | RobotGuy | Almsot had another last night, but averted it by going an having a huge banana split. |
| 01:03.16 | RobotGuy | s/averted/avoided |
| 01:06.22 | g1powermac | ok, now this is the kinda stuff I'd love to work on: http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/32152 |
| 01:10.26 | *** join/#edev g1powermac_PB (n=g1powerm@unaffiliated/g1powermac) |
| 01:20.36 | prpplague | joe_bleau nxp/philips has some very low profile arm9's |
| 01:20.53 | prpplague | joe_bleau pnx4008/4009 as well as the pnx0105/0106 |
| 01:21.11 | prpplague | it appears there there is an pnx0107 but not specs on info available |
| 01:21.33 | prpplague | the pnx0106 appears to be a arm926ej-s 333mhz |
| 01:21.47 | prpplague | which makes me believe the pnx0107 is what we have |
| 01:21.59 | prpplague | the pnx0105 is 200mhz |
| 01:23.47 | prpplague | the pnx0105 has basically the same pin layout as the one LF-1000 |
| 01:24.28 | prpplague | the pnx0105 is missing one inner group of pins |
| 01:25.07 | prpplague | just a gut feeling, nothing more |
| 01:25.09 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Are they over clocking to get it to 393 MHz? |
| 01:26.31 | RobotGuy | connects a bunch of dsPICs together and makes a PIC-Frame. |
| 01:27.51 | prpplague | RobotGuy no, if you follow the progression of model numbers |
| 01:28.02 | prpplague | RobotGuy the pnx0102 is 166mhz |
| 01:28.06 | prpplague | pnx0105 is 200 |
| 01:28.13 | prpplague | pnx0106 is 333 |
| 01:28.18 | prpplague | pnx0107 ??? |
| 01:30.16 | prpplague | solar ping |
| 01:31.45 | roxfan | how's uart hunting? |
| 01:34.29 | roxfan | prpplague: turns out there's jffss2reader in mtd-tools source package, but it's commented out in makefile |
| 01:34.38 | roxfan | and i can't get it to build on my system... |
| 01:39.18 | prpplague | roxfan not this evening, kinda worn out and working on a atmega128 board |
| 01:39.28 | prpplague | roxfan probably start again in the morning |
| 01:41.54 | ds2 | prpplague: how did you turn up these more powerful ARM's? |
| 01:43.11 | prpplague | ds2 i'm sorry i did not understand your question |
| 01:44.34 | ds2 | prpplague: how did you find them? last night you were saying NXP didn't make any this powerful... wondering what was the magic |
| 01:45.15 | prpplague | all powerful google, i used what i knew, ARM926EJ-S 15x15 289 pins |
| 01:45.34 | prpplague | starting getting lots of hits for some "off the books" philips processors |
| 01:45.35 | RobotGuy | I am actually hoping this processor turns out to be a PNX010x now. |
| 01:46.47 | RobotGuy | I haven't found any datasheets yet, so will puruse the NXP site. |
| 01:47.01 | ds2 | ah |
| 01:47.33 | ds2 | would be nice if this was the case and not some other no name mfg |
| 01:48.02 | prpplague | http://www.sacg.com.tw/sacweb/marcom/epaper/images/PNX010x%20handout.pdf |
| 01:48.37 | prpplague | thats the only specs i've found, however i spoke to a number of people today "off the record" that confirmed there are bunch of off-catalog arm926ej-s from nxp |
| 01:49.29 | roxfan | there are mentions of ac97 in the kernel |
| 01:50.24 | ds2 | interesting adventures |
| 01:51.07 | prpplague | ds2 indeed, i thought i new just about all the commercially available arm SoC |
| 01:51.55 | ds2 | wonder who else makes noncatalog ARMs |
| 01:52.10 | roxfan | samsung |
| 01:52.15 | roxfan | (iphone) |
| 01:52.59 | prpplague | ds2 samsung does and sharp used too, of course their SoC's are now owned by NXP |
| 01:53.52 | joe_bleau | freescale? I'll bet that they have some automotive devices with ARM core and multiple eTPUs. |
| 01:55.40 | prpplague | joe_bleau yea iirc they do as well |
| 01:56.28 | joe_bleau | Think they plan on selling enough to do a custom ASIC with an ARM license holder? |
| 01:56.42 | ds2 | i know about freescale and ti |
| 01:56.44 | prpplague | anyone have thoughts on using a base PCB with this form factor http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/images/products/08603-07-L.jpg |
| 01:56.52 | ds2 | but it sounds like everyone has them |
| 01:57.01 | prpplague | and have a center snap out which will fit inside an altoids tin |
| 01:57.16 | prpplague | joe_bleau leapfrog? |
| 01:57.28 | prpplague | joe_bleau if you are talking about leapfrog, then yea |
| 01:57.30 | joe_bleau | Yeah, leapfrog. |
| 01:57.41 | joe_bleau | It'd cost a bundle, to be sure. |
| 01:58.33 | prpplague | based the leapfrog profit sec filings, i judge they are selling about 60k units a year for the original leapster |
| 02:00.18 | joe_bleau | I'm guessing (don't know, just a rough guess) $1-10M NRE to do a custom ASIC with ARM core |
| 02:00.33 | joe_bleau | I'm not sure you'd save enough to make it back at less than 1M units. |
| 02:02.03 | prpplague | joe_bleau yea, but see 60k units is for the original leapster, its been on the market for almost 7 years |
| 02:02.31 | prpplague | i expect they have done alot more than 60k units in the years past |
| 02:02.58 | joe_bleau | I see your point. OTOH, I don't think the current device will make it 7 years. |
| 02:03.24 | prpplague | joe_bleau kids toys stuff is a different market |
| 02:03.56 | prpplague | joe_bleau i'm pretty confident you'll still see the leapster2 for another 5-7 years |
| 02:04.10 | prpplague | joe_bleau maybe not the didj , but definetly the leapster2 |
| 02:04.30 | joe_bleau | (I still (sorta) support >10 year old designs in the industrial world.) |
| 02:04.41 | prpplague | hehe |
| 02:05.46 | joe_bleau | Not that you would be expected to help on those projects, of course. |
| 02:07.04 | prpplague | hehe |
| 02:07.34 | prpplague | joe_bleau yea, just that from past experience, leapfrog will work to get every penny out of product |
| 02:17.59 | *** join/#edev flavioribeiro (n=flaviori@189.17.84.154) |
| 02:49.27 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 03:40.45 | *** part/#edev pea (n=pea@adsl-68-23-85-172.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) |
| 04:20.02 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 04:21.02 | *** join/#edev DrZimmerman (n=theo@77-56-241-196.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 04:35.59 | *** join/#edev mbuf (n=shakthim@61.16.248.242) |
| 04:43.24 | *** join/#edev harpal (n=Harpal@122.169.108.195) |
| 05:04.23 | *** join/#edev shaz (n=root@116.58.100.82) |
| 05:04.35 | shaz | Hello guys |
| 05:06.58 | RobotGuy | shaz: Hi |
| 05:07.58 | shaz | RobotGuy:; How was ur build? Successful? |
| 05:08.47 | RobotGuy | Well, we have two VPS' online now and are configuring them. |
| 05:09.02 | RobotGuy | One in TX and the other in NJ. |
| 05:09.05 | shaz | VPS? |
| 05:09.47 | RobotGuy | Virtual Private Server |
| 05:10.07 | RobotGuy | We get a slice of a fast system basically. |
| 05:10.18 | shaz | K :) |
| 05:10.32 | shaz | vitualization |
| 05:10.42 | RobotGuy | It's like having many PCs in a single PC. Yep, that's it. |
| 05:11.25 | shaz | So what do you develop on these VPS' |
| 05:12.27 | RobotGuy | One is going to replace the server I have been running here at home. The larger one is for Open Source stuff, like the Python based IDE for the Arduino some of us are working on. |
| 05:21.30 | solar | prpplague: pong |
| 05:38.06 | shaz | Nice RobotGuy |
| 05:38.55 | RobotGuy | I'm about to start the major software build for my VPS now. I have a script I use, so can duplicate the build. |
| 05:57.37 | *** join/#edev mbuf (n=shakthim@61.16.248.242) |
| 06:00.54 | *** join/#edev drath_ (i=vmaster@p5B07E4E4.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 06:44.03 | shaz | Let me see what Arduino is :) |
| 06:47.57 | RobotGuy | http://www.arduino.cc |
| 07:12.15 | *** join/#edev [AD]Turbo (n=turbo@host250-0-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 07:13.13 | [AD]Turbo | yo |
| 07:14.27 | *** join/#edev hw__ (n=hw@p578b3905.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 07:15.11 | *** join/#edev magnetron (n=magnetro@unaffiliated/magnetron) |
| 07:43.43 | shaz | Arduino... seems to be cool |
| 07:45.16 | shaz | but it might be complex for ppl like me who can'r even get to build a successful build environment hehehe |
| 07:52.38 | *** join/#edev lyakh (n=lyakh@p57BD2C99.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 08:51.03 | *** join/#edev DrZimmerman (n=theo@77-56-241-196.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 09:18.44 | *** join/#edev harpal (n=harpal@122.169.108.195) |
| 09:48.14 | *** join/#edev [AD]Turbo (n=turbo@host250-0-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 10:07.47 | *** join/#edev g1powermac_PB (n=g1powerm@unaffiliated/g1powermac) |
| 10:09.28 | *** join/#edev shaz (n=root@116.58.100.82) |
| 10:44.33 | *** join/#edev g1powermac (n=g1powerm@unaffiliated/g1powermac) |
| 12:44.33 | *** join/#edev pea (n=pea@adsl-68-23-85-172.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) |
| 13:06.33 | *** join/#edev MothaWork (n=monmotha@mail.forwardengineering.com) |
| 13:15.46 | *** join/#edev prpplague (n=dave@mail.americanmicrosystems.com) |
| 13:16.34 | *** mode/#edev [+o prpplague] by ChanServ |
| 13:27.14 | *** join/#edev GPSFan (n=kenm@12.10.255.246) |
| 13:27.14 | *** mode/#edev [+o GPSFan] by ChanServ |
| 13:36.42 | MothaWork | prpplague: so it looks like you've determined a likely processor for your LF2 |
| 13:38.41 | prpplague | MothaWork: actually i'm using the Didj, i've yet to purchase a Leapster2 yet |
| 13:38.45 | prpplague | MothaWork: probably this weekend |
| 13:38.49 | prpplague | MothaWork: but yeah |
| 13:39.00 | prpplague | MothaWork: everything points in that direction |
| 13:51.31 | kay2 | prpplague: hello |
| 13:51.40 | kay2 | prpplague: would you ask for the M8051 ? |
| 13:52.27 | MothaWork | prpplague: ah |
| 13:53.25 | prpplague | kay2: say again? |
| 13:56.06 | kay2 | prpplague: what is the name of the board with S3C2440 you told me last night ? |
| 13:56.25 | kay2 | prpplague: that you could ask if they can sell one :) |
| 13:56.29 | prpplague | kay2: M8010, yea, i'll check on it this afternoon |
| 14:05.46 | *** join/#edev chouimat|work (n=dieu@209.217.106.98) |
| 14:06.48 | kay2 | k |
| 14:08.30 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Info on the M8010?? |
| 14:08.59 | RobotGuy | Greetings Programs |
| 14:09.01 | prpplague | RobotGuy: commercial B2B stuff for AML, not TCT related |
| 14:09.10 | RobotGuy | Oh. |
| 14:09.44 | RobotGuy | goes back to configuring his VPS |
| 14:11.37 | *** join/#edev CosmicPenguin (n=nobody@163.181.251.103) |
| 14:11.38 | *** mode/#edev [+o CosmicPenguin] by ChanServ |
| 14:18.38 | *** join/#edev Chocobo (n=swinchen@strongbad.eece.maine.edu) |
| 14:19.54 | *** join/#edev adyer (n=adyer@adsl-69-223-13-78.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) |
| 14:21.35 | chouimat|work | morning |
| 14:46.03 | prpplague | solar: ping - give me shout when a have a couple minutes to spare |
| 14:48.39 | chouimat|work | prpplague: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ccaviness/2625223578/ |
| 14:50.03 | prpplague | work safe? |
| 14:50.34 | chouimat|work | yes |
| 14:50.42 | chouimat|work | maybe not for you stomac |
| 15:01.41 | adyer | chouimat|work: that's so wrong... |
| 15:01.50 | chouimat|work | adyer: so true |
| 15:02.29 | adyer | chouimat|work: gotta love the intertubes for stuff like that |
| 15:02.42 | chouimat|work | adyer: yup http://www.tedreader.com/view-recipe.php?viewrecipe=64 |
| 15:05.03 | adyer | says "Cheeeeese, Grommit!" |
| 15:21.57 | *** join/#edev Ian_Daniher (n=it@204.10.219.119) |
| 15:40.32 | prpplague | wonders if solar is alive |
| 15:41.45 | agaffney | prpplague: he was around in another channel briefly about an hour ago |
| 15:42.33 | prpplague | hehe, guess he is ignoring me then, hehe |
| 15:45.36 | agaffney | prpplague: nah, it was 20 minutes before you pinged him and I haven't seen him since :P |
| 16:00.06 | prpplague | MonMotha: ping |
| 16:20.35 | *** join/#edev EI5GTB__ (n=Paul@212.2.180.40) |
| 16:24.56 | *** join/#edev CosmicPenguin (n=nobody@163.181.251.103) |
| 16:24.56 | *** mode/#edev [+o CosmicPenguin] by ChanServ |
| 16:30.10 | solar | prpplague: Now is probably as a good time as any for me. |
| 16:32.54 | prpplague | solar: it can wait until this evening if you want |
| 16:32.56 | *** join/#edev dijenerate (n=dijenera@72.22.130.200) |
| 16:34.35 | prpplague | solar: i've found a case that looks to be good for killing several items on the list of features at the same time |
| 16:34.39 | solar | Not sure I'll be as free this evening. My work has been expecting me to work my normal 8+another 5-6hrs. Silly mgrs setting unrealistic deadlines with customers. Forgetting to have eng meetings with this etc. |
| 16:34.53 | solar | plastic case? |
| 16:34.53 | prpplague | solar: ahh btdt |
| 16:34.57 | prpplague | solar: yea |
| 16:35.02 | solar | url? |
| 16:35.10 | prpplague | solar: http://www.pactecenclosures.com/Plastic-Enclosures/HP-4AA.html |
| 16:35.41 | prpplague | solar: its basically the same size and shape as two altoid tins |
| 16:35.55 | prpplague | solar: the bottom portion has a place for 4 AA batteries |
| 16:36.09 | prpplague | solar: the top portion has the same internal measurements as the altoid tin |
| 16:36.23 | prpplague | solar: the pcb area has locations for 3 screw holes |
| 16:36.45 | prpplague | solar: and their is enough space to have a shield board plugged into the main board |
| 16:37.12 | solar | The VM24 did not have enough space? http://www.polycase.com/item/vm-24nobatterycompartment.html |
| 16:38.22 | prpplague | solar: it is doable for the VM24 but i'm having trouble getting a quote back from them, i'm still waiting to hear back hopefully today |
| 16:39.22 | prpplague | solar: plus with 4 AA you are going to get a much longer usage from the device |
| 16:39.24 | solar | I looked at the ones you are pointing out. I have to admit they are about as nice looking as the girl that nobody took to prom |
| 16:39.37 | prpplague | ahh ok |
| 16:40.55 | solar | prpplague: that case does lend itself well to an onboard lcd however |
| 16:41.43 | prpplague | solar: yea i personally like those cases because they are very easy to modify with stuff like leds, buttons and lcd stuff |
| 16:42.28 | solar | prpplague: would http://www.pactecenclosures.com/Plastic-Enclosures/PPL-2AA.html fit the needs? |
| 16:42.47 | solar | the PP series is a lot nicer |
| 16:43.14 | prpplague | checks |
| 16:43.29 | prpplague | yea i have some of those sampled |
| 16:43.33 | prpplague | i like those as well |
| 16:43.44 | prpplague | let me check the pcb sizes |
| 16:46.47 | prpplague | solar: http://www.pactecenclosures.com/Plastic-Enclosures/PPLX-9VB_2AA.html |
| 16:46.53 | prpplague | solar: that is going to be a better fit |
| 16:48.04 | prpplague | solar: that appears give you enough height for a shield board, and enough space for the main pcb |
| 16:48.51 | prpplague | solar: that one does have a nice end panel too |
| 16:49.39 | solar | ok perfect. Now which color do ya happen to like to the rubber boots? |
| 16:50.23 | prpplague | solar: custom colors have a min purchase requirement |
| 16:50.48 | solar | hopes it's not like 100 |
| 16:50.56 | prpplague | solar: you;d probably have to commit to purchasing 100 units, but i can make an request, i already have an account with pactec |
| 16:51.14 | prpplague | solar: what colors would you like for me to request? |
| 16:52.27 | prpplague | solar: the blue-pp with black rubber seems to be available in small qty |
| 16:52.39 | solar | perfect |
| 16:52.48 | solar | even the grey+black is nice. |
| 16:53.17 | solar | yellow I'd tend to reverve mentally for rugged outdoor equipment |
| 16:54.04 | prpplague | solar: the grey+black is standard and is the base model |
| 16:55.03 | prpplague | solar: i'm going to go ahead and get a couple of the grey and black in for testing of the pcbs |
| 16:59.25 | prpplague | solar: units are on the way |
| 17:00.26 | *** join/#edev bbradley (n=bbradley@78-105-167-16.zone3.bethere.co.uk) |
| 17:01.53 | RobotGuy | oh, blue would be so nice. |
| 17:02.31 | RobotGuy | Can anyone, like me for instance, get samples of those cases? |
| 17:02.32 | solar | RobotGuy: blue plastic or blue rubber for grip? on black |
| 17:02.48 | RobotGuy | Blue plastic, black feet |
| 17:03.07 | solar | RobotGuy: yeah. Tons of places give away free samples. |
| 17:03.26 | solar | you might pay for shipping. |
| 17:03.37 | RobotGuy | I'd like to get something in blue with rubber feet. |
| 17:03.47 | RobotGuy | Shipping is not a problem. |
| 17:04.11 | solar | RobotGuy: http://www.polycase.com/item/kt-70.html (for the nail maybe) |
| 17:05.13 | solar | prpplague: Blue fits the BT theme well anyway |
| 17:05.39 | prpplague | solar: ok, i'll see about getting a quote with the blue+black rubber |
| 17:05.49 | prpplague | solar: the ones i ordered were just the grey |
| 17:05.52 | RobotGuy | solar: Yeah, and blue is my favorite color. :) That one looks like it would be real nice for Nail. |
| 17:06.04 | solar | black with blue rubber is fine too. If thats what they are sending |
| 17:06.29 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Which company is that with blue + black feet? |
| 17:06.32 | *** join/#edev [g2] (n=tom@nslu2-linux/g2) |
| 17:06.39 | solar | shhh find your own :) |
| 17:06.43 | prpplague | i think the rubber is only available in grey or black, they can do it with plastic and plastic instead of platic and rubber |
| 17:06.45 | solar | ha j/k |
| 17:06.53 | RobotGuy | solar: :p |
| 17:07.01 | prpplague | solar: http://www.pactecenclosures.com/Plastic-Enclosures/PPLX-9VB_2AA.html |
| 17:07.04 | prpplague | oops for RobotGuy |
| 17:07.11 | RobotGuy | thinks solar has already been into the fire water this morning.. :p |
| 17:08.06 | solar | naa. |
| 17:08.17 | solar | I just opted to tell work to buzz off. I'll be in post lunch |
| 17:08.28 | solar | so I feel good about myself and life atm |
| 17:08.57 | prpplague | is dissappointed that he has not heard back from SFLC yet |
| 17:10.13 | prpplague | restrains himself from sending nagging emails to SFLC |
| 17:10.31 | chouimat|work | SFLC? |
| 17:10.35 | solar | yeah I'd give it till monday |
| 17:10.58 | prpplague | chouimat|work: http://www.pactecenclosures.com/Plastic-Enclosures/PPLX-9VB_2AA.html |
| 17:11.01 | prpplague | darn |
| 17:11.05 | prpplague | did it again |
| 17:11.06 | solar | software freedom law conserv.. |
| 17:11.09 | prpplague | chouimat|work: http://www.softwarefreedom.org |
| 17:11.11 | chouimat|work | k |
| 17:11.23 | *** join/#edev Ian_Daniher (n=it@204.10.219.119) |
| 17:15.39 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Any other cases from that company look interesting? |
| 17:16.27 | RobotGuy | (Pactec) |
| 17:16.34 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i could not say, i just look at cases based on what my specs/needs are |
| 17:17.21 | solar | ya. Also check polycase.com |
| 17:17.31 | prpplague | solar: you planning to use high capacity rechargable AA batteries? |
| 17:17.54 | solar | prpplague: me personally? I only need 2 :) |
| 17:18.04 | prpplague | solar: ?? |
| 17:18.25 | adyer | serpac is also a good place to check (stocked by digikey) |
| 17:18.59 | prpplague | adyer: yea, i like some of serpac's stuff, but we've not had good luck with the durability of their cases |
| 17:19.43 | solar | I mean 2 units is all I'll ever think I'll need. But overall. I think it's a good option to allow the thing to run from recharages. Be that AA or the 18650's |
| 17:20.16 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I'm gettimg an OD45-2.5 also |
| 17:20.22 | solar | nice 2x2 stack of 18650 fit in there? |
| 17:20.23 | ds2 | isn't it easier just to draw and fabricate your own case instead of pouring through the catalogs? |
| 17:20.47 | RobotGuy | ds2: Yes, IF you have the ability to do that. |
| 17:20.52 | prpplague | solar: right, what i meant was, i need to do some calculations on power consumption, standard AA's are going be very difference that rechargable batteries |
| 17:20.59 | prpplague | s/that/than |
| 17:21.29 | solar | prpplague: then for sure recharageables. |
| 17:21.33 | ds2 | RobotGuy: doesn't take much |
| 17:21.42 | solar | or USB/Wall-Wort |
| 17:21.44 | prpplague | ds2: we just purchased a 3D printer |
| 17:21.54 | RobotGuy | ds2: Don't you get that not everyone can do that sort of thing?? |
| 17:22.00 | ds2 | prpplague: :)~~~~~~ |
| 17:22.12 | prpplague | solar: yea, my main concern was the case has a slot for 2xAA |
| 17:22.17 | adyer | ds2: not for me, would look like some poor cub scout birdhouse attempt |
| 17:22.24 | prpplague | adyer: hehe |
| 17:22.32 | solar | I'm not sold on 2xAA being able to power it for very long. |
| 17:22.35 | ds2 | RobotGuy: *shrug* |
| 17:22.50 | ds2 | prpplague: which one did you guys get? |
| 17:22.55 | solar | plus you would have to raise the voltage from the 2x1.4V to 5V right? |
| 17:23.19 | ds2 | solar: 5V for what? USB? |
| 17:23.23 | prpplague | solar: should be able to get around 6 hours of usage with 2xAA 2800mAh batteries |
| 17:23.40 | prpplague | solar: yea, i'll have a boost chip |
| 17:24.20 | ds2 | the hammer can be happy at 3.3V |
| 17:24.37 | solar | prpplague: imo we should take 5-30V input. You looking at using the natsemi switcher? |
| 17:25.21 | solar | ds2: this is for an atmega128 (meant to supply 3.3V and 5V out of a few pins) |
| 17:25.38 | ds2 | solar: ah, nevermind...thought you were messing with the hammer |
| 17:26.11 | solar | prpplague: is that the max room the case takes? There is another option we could consider. |
| 17:26.23 | prpplague | solar: you'll be able to take anywhere from around 2v up to 5.5v, i can add a LM7805 for higher voltages |
| 17:26.52 | RobotGuy | No 6V battery pack possible? |
| 17:27.07 | prpplague | why would you need a 6v pack? |
| 17:27.29 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Common;y available, for robotics uses. |
| 17:27.56 | prpplague | RobotGuy: if you wanted to use a 6v pack, just add a LM7805 |
| 17:28.14 | solar | prpplague: vs us worrying about that directly. http://www.liquidware.com/shop/show/BP/Lithium+BackPack |
| 17:28.17 | prpplague | solar: cases have shipped |
| 17:28.22 | solar | notice how batts are shields? |
| 17:28.33 | solar | a lower shield in the case of the arduino |
| 17:29.00 | prpplague | but the 2xAA will work fine |
| 17:29.16 | prpplague | just buy some rechargables, they are dirt cheap |
| 17:31.56 | solar | prpplague: What about using the LM2954M 5.0 ? |
| 17:32.22 | solar | LM2594M rather. |
| 17:32.29 | prpplague | looks |
| 17:32.45 | ds2 | eh? LM7805 w/a 6V source?! |
| 17:33.15 | ds2 | and it works well? |
| 17:33.48 | prpplague | ds2: ?? |
| 17:33.58 | ds2 | don't the LM7805 want at least 2V overhead? |
| 17:34.05 | ds2 | 5+2 > 6 |
| 17:34.30 | prpplague | ds2: i've never had a problem with running them at 6v range |
| 17:34.54 | ds2 | oh nice |
| 17:35.16 | prpplague | i'll double check the datasheet |
| 17:35.19 | ds2 | I'll have to remember that for one offs... I started looking into LDO's when I can't do 2V margin |
| 17:36.16 | ds2 | NSC LM7805 datasheet calls out a 2V drop out voltage |
| 17:36.22 | prpplague | solar: yea the LM2594 isn't really intended for low power applications |
| 17:36.31 | solar | ok well the LM2594M is MaxIn = +25V / VO = 5V - 5% / imax = .5A |
| 17:36.43 | solar | but gives you that DC->DC 5 volt internal |
| 17:37.00 | prpplague | solar: do you expect to be supplying more that 5.5v to the device? |
| 17:37.36 | solar | I expect that most of the outpins would be standard for running servos/input sensors etc. |
| 17:38.02 | prpplague | then those will only be +5v |
| 17:38.11 | RobotGuy | solar: You need 6V minimum for most servos. |
| 17:38.24 | prpplague | RobotGuy: for the actual servo, not for the board |
| 17:39.11 | RobotGuy | That's why most boards of this type have dual power - one for Vl and one for Vs/Vm |
| 17:39.53 | ds2 | RobotGuy: are robot servos the same as the RC model servos? |
| 17:39.55 | solar | prpplague: You are the expert. But my POV is that we should expect that ppl will try it with a +12V as the input source |
| 17:39.57 | prpplague | the arduino-bt does not have dual power |
| 17:40.06 | RobotGuy | With the ability to tie both Vs and Vl together for a single supply. |
| 17:40.11 | RobotGuy | ds2: Yes |
| 17:40.31 | RobotGuy | ds2: At least for most, but there are some newer ones specifically for robotics. |
| 17:40.35 | prpplague | solar: here is the problem |
| 17:40.46 | ds2 | RobotGuy: hmmm so that means almost all servo drivers have to output PWM? |
| 17:41.59 | prpplague | solar: you really can't have your cake and eat it too with power supplies, you have to be either very good at dropping a higher voltage down to a regulated one, i.e. dropping 12v down 5v, or very good at taking a lower voltage such as 3.7v and boosting it up to +5v, if you try to do both, the cost of the design will go thru the roof |
| 17:42.02 | RobotGuy | ds2: R/C type servos are controlled using PWM. There are conversions, such as Open Servo, that give other options such as I2C, etc. Also the Robotis servos have a serial bus protocol they use, not PWM or I2C. |
| 17:42.54 | ds2 | RobotGuy: ah I see |
| 17:43.45 | RobotGuy | ds2: For instance, the Hitec HS-645MG is the same as the HS-5645MG, except for different electronics. |
| 17:44.02 | prpplague | solar: the max1676 will allow us to use +5v from the usb port, +5v or less wall-wart, or variations of single cell li-ion, or two AA's in series, or 2 serial 2paralle AA's |
| 17:44.33 | ds2 | RobotGuy: my only exposure to servos was having to do a board to convert a special control signal into the PWM signals so I am completely ignorant of other options |
| 17:44.53 | RobotGuy | knows a bit about servos. :) |
| 17:45.17 | ds2 | it doesn't help that the CNC guy's idea of a servo is a bit more involved |
| 17:45.37 | RobotGuy | ds2: Very true. |
| 17:45.54 | prpplague | solar: most of the arduino crowd is familiar with the LM7805 so if they have a 12v power source, then can use that to drop the voltage to +5v |
| 17:46.10 | prpplague | solar: which will then go into the board |
| 17:46.20 | ds2 | RobotGuy: if you had to make an arm that extends linearly for 5-6 inches, what would you use to drive it? Servos don't seem to have that reach |
| 17:46.42 | RobotGuy | ds2: What do you mean by reach? |
| 17:46.59 | prpplague | solar: http://www.eastcoastphoto.com/nav/itempage.asp?itemid=7219&catid=283&hid= |
| 17:47.00 | ds2 | RobotGuy: travel/throw/etc |
| 17:47.38 | ds2 | solar/prpplague: there is a company that makes a pin compatable switcher for the robotics folks (drops into a 7805 TO220 footprint) |
| 17:47.39 | prpplague | solar: two of those batteries at 2800mAh running at 400mA is roughly 7 hours of usage |
| 17:47.57 | RobotGuy | ds2: Ahhh, OK. You can get a full 180 degree range from most analog servos, and the standard R/C style digital servos (like from Hitec) can be programmed for full 180 degree range. |
| 17:48.18 | ds2 | RobotGuy: I need linear travel |
| 17:48.24 | RobotGuy | ds2: However you need to program the digitals from Hitec using one of their programmers. |
| 17:48.45 | RobotGuy | ds2: That's just a matter of how you mount the servo and what servo horn you use. |
| 17:48.46 | ds2 | RobotGuy: only thing I can think of is a big (long) air cylinder |
| 17:48.54 | ds2 | Hmmm |
| 17:49.29 | RobotGuy | ds2: You may have to use a rail and push/pull that using the servo. |
| 17:50.14 | RobotGuy | ds2: Same way the edject mechanism of CD/DVD drives work - scrounge one from a dead drive. |
| 17:50.40 | ds2 | RobotGuy: guess I'll cross this idea off then... what I am really looking for is a way to drive the plunger on a small plastic injection machine |
| 17:51.02 | ds2 | it is a robot in an industrial sort of way |
| 17:51.28 | RobotGuy | ds2: Same principle unless you want to try linear actuators like those from Figeli. |
| 17:51.56 | RobotGuy | ds2: Ah, OK, so you need much more power then to drive that. Still same principle, just different scale. |
| 17:52.00 | ds2 | RobotGuy: not enough force... I am looking to get about 1-2 tons of push on them :) |
| 17:52.05 | ds2 | and cheap too |
| 17:52.23 | RobotGuy | ds2: It's just a matter of scale and cost. |
| 17:52.47 | RobotGuy | The principle doesn't change much, if any. |
| 17:53.49 | RobotGuy | ds2: Take a dead CD/DVD drive apart. Lots to learn there. |
| 17:55.10 | adyer | ds2: did you consider some type of screw drive? |
| 17:56.21 | ds2 | adyer: yep, that or an air cylinder. Problem with a screw drive is driving it fast enough |
| 17:56.22 | prpplague | solar: i just looked a the diecimila board, they use a jumper to select power source |
| 17:56.34 | RobotGuy | ds2: Also take apart a dead servo - it's just a small motor, potentiometer, and some electronics. Open Servo boards can also be used for motor controllers, but the output MosFETs may need to be changed based on the motor(s) you want to drive. |
| 17:56.36 | ds2 | RobotGuy: done that many times... got a nice collection of miniture optics too |
| 17:56.56 | RobotGuy | ds2: Indeed - great source of fun stuff to tinker with. :) |
| 17:57.05 | prpplague | solar: we could populate two seperate circuits, one for higher voltage input +7v or above, and another for +5.5v and below |
| 17:57.17 | prpplague | solar: selectable via a jumper |
| 17:57.40 | RobotGuy | prpplague: That's what is done on the Lynxmotion boards like the Bot Board II and SSC-32. |
| 17:57.52 | RobotGuy | And what will be done on the Hammer-RDP |
| 17:58.07 | *** join/#edev Ian_Daniher (n=it@204.10.219.119) |
| 17:58.21 | solar | prpplague: That jumper is used to tell it if it's getting power via USB or power via the external plug. |
| 17:58.36 | RobotGuy | prpplague: There is a VL and VS separate input with a jumper to connect them together for a single supply. |
| 17:59.01 | solar | prpplague: to me that seems very logical. Is that mini part of it's board not something we could adopt? |
| 17:59.18 | prpplague | solar: yea, one position will be for usb and external +5.5v or less, and the other would be externally for +7v or higher |
| 17:59.42 | solar | external power = 3-16V or so. |
| 17:59.43 | prpplague | solar: sorry i did not understand your statement |
| 17:59.51 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Perfect for the common R/C style 7.2V battery packs. |
| 18:00.02 | solar | Not sure how the board behaves when its given less than the 5. But it takes it. |
| 18:00.38 | solar | prpplague: the external power jack of the diecimlia takes 3V to ~16V |
| 18:00.49 | prpplague | solar: yea, using a device like the MAX1676, you can provide anywhere from +5.5v down to +2v and it will generate +5v regulated |
| 18:00.56 | RobotGuy | Uploading a 1 GB file takes a while. This is when I wish I had Verizon's FIOS. |
| 18:01.04 | solar | I do not think when it's getting less than 3V that it boots it up to 5V. |
| 18:01.10 | prpplague | solar: hmm i'm not sure about that |
| 18:01.14 | prpplague | looks again |
| 18:01.53 | solar | if it did then cool. But that is kinda a power waster design? |
| 18:03.03 | RobotGuy | solar: I saw this cool little fan you attach to your vehicle window to pull hot air out. It is solar powered. :) |
| 18:03.13 | prpplague | solar: i don't see anything on the diecimila board, it only supports either regulated +5v or +7v or higher |
| 18:03.33 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Single power for the Decimilia. |
| 18:03.44 | prpplague | RobotGuy: what? |
| 18:04.05 | solar | RobotGuy: yeah I've seen lots of those. |
| 18:04.09 | RobotGuy | nm |
| 18:04.31 | *** join/#edev Ian_Daniher (n=it@204.10.219.119) |
| 18:05.02 | prpplague | solar: anyway, i can add the part its just $1 |
| 18:05.08 | prpplague | solar: so you'll have two options |
| 18:05.32 | prpplague | solar: +2v to +5.5v from either battery, usb, or external source |
| 18:05.45 | solar | prpplague: so in otherwords. You are saying the behaior will be exactly what the ardy users are used to? |
| 18:05.50 | prpplague | solar: or +7v up to +20v from either battery or external source |
| 18:06.12 | solar | external source is not the battery ? |
| 18:06.13 | prpplague | solar: yea, if your go to the arduino.cc site, can check out each one of the board pages |
| 18:06.45 | prpplague | solar: i usually consider "external source" something like a wall-wart or some other power supply |
| 18:06.57 | *** part/#edev RobotGuy (n=robotguy@dsl093-038-072.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 18:08.11 | prpplague | solar: everyone of the +5v arduino boards recommends +7v to +12v for input voltage |
| 18:08.45 | prpplague | solar: the only exceptions are the +3.3v arduino boards, and the arduino-bt board |
| 18:09.58 | prpplague | solar: so you'll have a 3 pin jumper, pin 1-2 are for +2v to +5.5v, pins 2-3 are for +7v to +12v |
| 18:10.22 | prpplague | solar: that sound acceptable? |
| 18:11.15 | prpplague | solar: we could ask around on the arduino channel to get some feedback |
| 18:11.20 | solar | you have 3 options of power sources? But only 2 jumpers? Thats where I think I'm getting a tad confused |
| 18:12.15 | solar | well 3 pin jumpers. Which only yeild two options. |
| 18:12.16 | prpplague | solar: the usb power will be +5v so it falls within the pin 1-2 for +2v to +5.5v |
| 18:13.09 | solar | prpplague: to help avoid any confusion we might be having. If you are saying it will behave the same as the existing arduino's then all is perfect. |
| 18:13.54 | prpplague | solar: sorry for the confusion, but it will be similiar to the existing diecimila configuration, but not exactly the same |
| 18:14.25 | solar | granted we might need a little bit more of a beefy power supply for all the extra pins + bt |
| 18:14.54 | prpplague | naw, its about the same 300mA is average, but i'm planning on using for 400mA |
| 18:15.13 | prpplague | solar: i'll see if can draw a diagram for you |
| 18:27.10 | prpplague | solar: http://www.pastebin.ca/1193972 |
| 18:28.29 | prpplague | solar: that make more sense? |
| 19:00.33 | *** join/#edev ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 19:00.33 | *** join/#edev Chocobo (n=swinchen@strongbad.eece.maine.edu) |
| 19:00.34 | *** join/#edev g1powermac (n=g1powerm@unaffiliated/g1powermac) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 19:00.34 | *** join/#edev Ian_Daniher_ (n=it@69.61.230.246) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 19:00.34 | *** join/#edev agaffney (n=agaffney@gentoo/developer/pdpc.active.agaffney) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 19:00.34 | *** join/#edev key2 (n=key2@gob75-7-82-247-113-230.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 19:00.34 | *** join/#edev _trine (n=trine@38.100.90.3) |
| 19:00.34 | *** join/#edev dfarnsworth (n=dfarnswo@65.200.49.156) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 19:00.34 | *** mode/#edev [+o ChanServ] by irc.freenode.net |
| 19:02.55 | solar | prpplague: so you more or less are adding the feature/ability to run off 2xAA (Is that built into the case or so?) |
| 19:03.20 | prpplague | solar: no, it will be on the board itself |
| 19:03.35 | prpplague | solar: i'm actually using the same chip as being used on the arduino-bt |
| 19:03.39 | solar | or like two snaps for batterys? |
| 19:03.57 | prpplague | solar: it will be just a two pin header |
| 19:04.09 | prpplague | solar: you can connect the header to whatever you want |
| 19:04.27 | prpplague | solar: if you use the case we are talking about using, you could connect it to the 2xAA socket |
| 19:05.22 | solar | prpplague: that the BlueSMiRF's radio? |
| 19:05.24 | prpplague | solar: i think it will make much more sense when you see it in a case and on the actual board |
| 19:06.13 | prpplague | http://www.arduino.cc/en/Main/ArduinoBoardBluetooth |
| 19:06.19 | solar | yeah. pictures are worth a thoudsand words |
| 19:06.43 | prpplague | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8255 |
| 19:07.37 | prpplague | from the specs on that board "The use of a DC-DC converter, allowing the board to be powered with a minimum of 1.2 V, but with a maximum of 5.5 V. Higher voltages or reversed polarity in the power supply will kill the board. " |
| 19:10.19 | prpplague | solar: should have the cases on tuesday |
| 19:11.23 | solar | odd being that they ship with and often show it's use with 9V |
| 19:11.39 | solar | wow thats pretty fast on the cases. cool |
| 19:13.50 | prpplague | solar: the arduino-bt board? |
| 19:13.57 | prpplague | solar: or the deceimilia |
| 19:14.09 | solar | deceimilia |
| 19:14.16 | solar | not sure about the at-bt. Let me look |
| 19:14.17 | prpplague | solar: yea, thats different |
| 19:14.40 | prpplague | solar: http://www.arduino.cc/en/Main/ArduinoBoardDiecimila |
| 19:14.58 | prpplague | solar: check out the recommended and min/max range for input voltage |
| 19:16.03 | prpplague | solar: with this solution, we let the user of the board decide on what voltage range they want to use |
| 19:17.03 | solar | ok. |
| 19:18.05 | solar | fond of the power blocks used on the at-bt vs say wall-wortable plug on the diecimila? |
| 19:19.09 | prpplague | solar: i'm not too fond of the powerblocks |
| 19:19.33 | prpplague | solar: i had planned to just use a standard 0.1" two pin header |
| 19:20.38 | solar | male for those? And female for all the gpio etc pins? |
| 19:20.43 | prpplague | solar: i'll probably send off the first rev of the board wed or thurs of next week to a quick turn shop |
| 19:20.49 | prpplague | solar: correct |
| 19:21.22 | solar | prpplague: sure you wont let me get the shipment of the diecimila and then mail it off to ya before sending the first revs off to be made? |
| 19:21.59 | prpplague | solar: these will be really low cost, i need to verify that the layout fits properly in the case, and test some of the functionality |
| 19:22.42 | prpplague | solar: probably ship you the first rev with a case for your to put into your hands and look at |
| 19:23.18 | prpplague | solar: the pcbs won't have any silkscreen or mask |
| 19:23.42 | solar | meaning they will look like they were etched in a basement? |
| 19:24.32 | prpplague | solar: hehe, no they will look professional, just that normally when you see a board you will see a green mask over the top of the circuits and you will of white lettering marking the pins and such |
| 19:24.38 | prpplague | solar: none of that will be on the board |
| 19:24.53 | prpplague | solar: that will be just for the first rev to save costs and time |
| 19:25.00 | prpplague | solar: i will only order 2 boards that way |
| 19:26.08 | MothaWork | dropping silk and mask makes for a very cheap 2 layer board |
| 19:26.20 | prpplague | yep |
| 19:26.20 | MothaWork | if you drop plated holes, it gets REALLY cheap, but hard to work with |
| 19:26.57 | prpplague | MothaWork: yea i usually stick with the plated holes, dropping those makes it too difficult, imho |
| 19:28.29 | solar | prpplague: and they can get them printed to the rectangular shape with the rounded edges? |
| 19:29.46 | prpplague | solar: yea if we can that for production board, but curves and cutouts cost extra money |
| 19:30.02 | prpplague | solar: so i'll probably do my best to make it a rectangular board |
| 19:31.07 | solar | seems logical |
| 19:32.12 | *** join/#edev mnemoc (n=amery@yoda.expert-erp.net) |
| 19:32.26 | MothaWork | it's not too expensive to ask for curves and such on the outside board shape, but on the no mask/silk specials the fab houses usually ask for rectangular only |
| 19:32.31 | prpplague | solar: i think you'll be pretty happy with the board once you get first rev to look at |
| 19:32.41 | MothaWork | internal cutouts do cost money, though |
| 19:34.04 | *** join/#edev magnetron (n=magnetro@unaffiliated/magnetron) |
| 19:37.47 | solar | prpplague: probably. I was pretty impressed with the m3950 as-is |
| 19:49.23 | prpplague | goes to retrieve his yoots |
| 20:19.08 | *** join/#edev markusp (n=markus@endata.olf.sgsnet.se) |
| 20:23.27 | *** join/#edev RobotGuy (n=robotguy@dsl093-038-072.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 20:24.30 | *** join/#edev mnemoc (n=amery@yoda.expert-erp.net) |
| 20:40.21 | ds2 | Am I correct in assuming when the elinux page says Alt. Function for the Hammer pin, they are not enable unless I rebuild the kernel? |
| 20:42.58 | key2 | prpplague: you asked me to remind you the afternoon :) |
| 20:42.59 | RobotGuy | ds2: You have to configure them for the alternate functions. |
| 20:43.08 | prpplague | ds2: that is correct |
| 20:43.15 | ds2 | 'k |
| 20:43.30 | prpplague | key2: yea, i spoke to the boss, he is taking it under consideration |
| 20:43.47 | *** part/#edev markusp (n=markus@endata.olf.sgsnet.se) |
| 20:43.51 | prpplague | key2: you need just one for dev or are you wanting to purchase them for production? |
| 20:44.05 | prpplague | http://www.gameinformer.com/News/Story/200808/N08.0814.1223.39827.htm |
| 20:44.15 | prpplague | interesting, there is a comment about the dev being linux |
| 20:45.19 | key2 | prpplague: just dev |
| 20:45.27 | key2 | prpplague: maybe 3 |
| 20:45.56 | ds2 | just so I don't fry anything, is nRTS an output or input pin by default on the hammer? |
| 20:46.18 | MothaWork | ds2: if you're concerned, you could just put about a 100ohm resistor in series with it |
| 20:46.27 | MothaWork | that'll usually keep things from breaking permanentlky |
| 20:46.39 | prpplague | ds2: all pins with exception of the primary uart are configured as inputs on boot |
| 20:47.04 | ds2 | prpplague: and this is with the default kernel? |
| 20:47.10 | prpplague | yea |
| 20:47.34 | ds2 | MothaWork, that and also I am trying to be lazy since I need 1 gpio in and 1 gpio out so if the mux's are all set, no reason to change them ;) |
| 20:47.40 | ds2 | cool |
| 20:48.32 | ds2 | think i am ready to assemble my custom hammer carrier |
| 20:48.46 | ds2 | this almost makes me want to wire wrap it ;) |
| 20:49.27 | *** join/#edev mnemoc (n=amery@yoda.expert-erp.net) |
| 20:55.26 | *** join/#edev ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 20:55.26 | *** mode/#edev [+o ChanServ] by irc.freenode.net |
| 21:01.08 | prpplague | hmm, looks like digi has some arm926ej-s cores that have a similar layout as the cpu on the Didj cpu board |
| 21:01.11 | *** join/#edev roxfan2 (n=dunno@236.4-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 21:06.10 | prpplague | i'm almost certain that this processor is from nxp |
| 21:11.46 | prpplague | roxfan: greetings |
| 21:11.56 | roxfan | yo |
| 21:12.04 | prpplague | roxfan: i'm still leaning towards this being from st/philips/nxp |
| 21:12.16 | prpplague | roxfan: this cpu has all their "markings" |
| 21:12.23 | roxfan | could be |
| 21:12.59 | prpplague | the package type, the number of pins, the processor type, the clock rating |
| 21:13.24 | MothaWork | prpplague: what does the package say on it? |
| 21:14.34 | prpplague | MothaWork: i have them listed at http://www.elinux.org/Didj |
| 21:15.02 | ds2 | prpplague: any chance you have checked ST? |
| 21:15.19 | prpplague | ds2: st was sold to nxp just recently |
| 21:15.25 | ds2 | Oh |
| 21:15.28 | ds2 | hahah |
| 21:15.38 | prpplague | ds2: so all of their products have been folded into the nxp line |
| 21:16.33 | ds2 | donno how to react to that... ST had some nice unique parts |
| 21:16.43 | MothaWork | my god, so many mergers of electronics giants recently |
| 21:17.00 | ds2 | ST, a giant? |
| 21:17.13 | MothaWork | I'd say they were certainly a pretty large player |
| 21:17.17 | ds2 | I'd compare them more to dallas or maxim prior to their merger |
| 21:17.24 | MothaWork | I'm not so sure about that |
| 21:17.46 | MothaWork | I've got some old DirecTV boxes that are clearly entirely ST. Big SoCs and such. |
| 21:17.53 | prpplague | hmm, looks like ST was the _only_ vendor to publically annouce an arm926ej-s running at 393mhz |
| 21:17.56 | MothaWork | that's pretty high volume |
| 21:18.00 | ds2 | isn't the biggest different ST had a fab |
| 21:18.46 | ds2 | but was the chip really an ST design or they just provided fab in exchange for selling some of it under their own name; like the 486's |
| 21:19.04 | MothaWork | I do not know. There are several ST parts in this DirecTV STB |
| 21:19.08 | MothaWork | two different models, too |
| 21:19.19 | MothaWork | most of the RF stuff also bears the ST name |
| 21:19.32 | ds2 | hmmm |
| 21:21.28 | *** join/#edev mnemoc (n=amery@yoda.expert-erp.net) |
| 21:24.16 | solar | prpplague: yeah I just found a matching pkg that fits the bill for what you said in chinese |
| 21:25.09 | solar | MCU13 on http://www.portabledesignchina.com/MCU2007/html/mcus12.htm when translated. |
| 21:25.22 | prpplague | looks |
| 21:26.30 | prpplague | yea thats the one i was looking at |
| 21:26.33 | solar | STn8811 what it seems to be calling it |
| 21:26.42 | prpplague | yea and the STn8815 |
| 21:26.48 | prpplague | both are at 393mhz |
| 21:27.02 | ds2 | prpplague: do you have the URL for the recommended switch to GPIO hookup schematic for the hammer? you pasted it once but I seem to have lost the link |
| 21:27.17 | prpplague | ds2: yea its on the wiki, one sec |
| 21:28.08 | prpplague | http://www.elinux.org/Hammer_Button_Driver |
| 21:28.21 | prpplague | i'm surprised that so may people can't find info on the wiki |
| 21:28.25 | ds2 | buttona#@#@%@#%@#$ |
| 21:28.37 | ds2 | I searched for 'switch' |
| 21:28.48 | prpplague | hehe |
| 21:29.12 | ds2 | I am half way tempted to rephase something in there so the word switch appears |
| 21:29.56 | MothaWork | ds2: just search for "duff's device" next time you need to know something about "switch" |
| 21:30.24 | ds2 | =) |
| 21:36.36 | ds2 | prpplague: which ever is quicker... URL for hammer carrier schematic or recommended pullup on the nRESET line for a reset button? |
| 21:37.20 | prpplague | ds2: http://www.tincantools.com for the schematic, i've got to head out in just a minute for open house at school |
| 21:37.51 | ds2 | prpplague: which main section? I was just there going in loops back to elinux |
| 21:38.05 | ds2 | if you don't have time, I can dig deeper |
| 21:38.32 | ds2 | nevermind |
| 21:38.49 | ds2 | I remember the trick... tct lists things with the product not in the documentation or support sections |
| 21:38.51 | prpplague | http://www.tincantools.com/assets/Hammer_Carrier_Rev-C.pdf |
| 21:39.42 | ds2 | oh cool, nRESET is float safe |
| 22:44.18 | *** join/#edev Ian_Daniher (n=it@cpe-65-189-41-14.cinci.res.rr.com) |
| 22:54.43 | *** join/#edev joe_bleau (n=joe_blea@adsl-69-152-217-93.dsl.fyvlar.swbell.net) |
| 23:25.53 | *** join/#edev prpplague (n=dave123_@ppp-70-244-162-73.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) |
| 23:26.06 | prpplague | ho ho ho,merry freakin thursday |
| 23:27.42 | Ian_Daniher | prpplague: ty |
| 23:27.45 | Ian_Daniher | :) |
| 23:32.06 | roxfan | i prefer fridays |
| 23:32.09 | roxfan | after work |
| 23:34.27 | prpplague | me too |
| 23:35.25 | prpplague | this leapfrog job posting keeps me laughing |
| 23:38.42 | g1powermac | heh |
| 23:40.20 | roxfan | apply and infiltrate! |
| 23:43.50 | prpplague | hehe |
| 23:44.29 | joe_bleau | Link? |
| 23:44.41 | prpplague | roxfan i think i've isolated the jtag, should be able to do some tests tomorrow |
| 23:45.07 | roxfan | joe_bleau: http://seeker.dice.com/jobsearch/servlet/JobSearch?op=302&dockey=xml/3/f/3ff337fa74577a672f74c0f52ddea4bc@endecaindex&source=19&FREE_TEXT=&rating=99 |
| 23:45.13 | prpplague | http://seeker.dice.com/jobsearch/servlet/JobSearch?op=302&dockey=xml/3/f/3ff337fa74577a672f74c0f52ddea4bc@endecaindex&source=19&FREE_TEXT=&rating=99 |
| 23:45.22 | roxfan | WINS |
| 23:45.34 | roxfan | no luck with uart? |
| 23:46.22 | joe_bleau | Sounds like a decent job. Too bad I'm not qualified. |
| 23:48.51 | prpplague | roxfan not yet |
| 23:48.57 | prpplague | nothing jumps out |
| 23:49.03 | roxfan | i see |
| 23:49.26 | g1powermac | well, that was fun |
| 23:49.37 | g1powermac | hacked together his new blog today |
| 23:49.38 | g1powermac | http://g1powermac.com/ |
| 23:49.38 | roxfan | did uart hunting on a few boards by trial and error |
| 23:49.54 | g1powermac | my eyes are shot |
| 23:50.25 | prpplague | g1powermac darn i was hope'n you got your "DIY-gallstone surgery kit" today |
| 23:50.26 | g1powermac | working on web programming for that many hours is harsh |
| 23:50.33 | g1powermac | prpplague, heheh |
| 23:50.34 | roxfan | connect ground, put rx needle to the first suspicious testpoint, rest, watch terminal, put rx needle to the next tespoint, ... |
| 23:50.44 | roxfan | *rest->reset |
| 23:51.01 | prpplague | roxfan yea, that was my next step |
| 23:51.06 | prpplague | get the oscope out |
| 23:51.24 | g1powermac | prpplague, don't need a kit for that, just get a really sharp knife, some needle and thread, and a bullet to bite on. . . |
| 23:51.29 | prpplague | roxfan only so many "fun hours" in the day |
| 23:51.40 | roxfan | heh |
| 23:51.50 | prpplague | ok soooooo |
| 23:52.25 | prpplague | i have officially gotten, a little of 16 months of usage from a $30 set of pots and pans from the dollar store |
| 23:52.33 | prpplague | does that qualify as a good life span for that? |
| 23:53.03 | g1powermac | only if they die a spectacular death. . . |
| 23:53.25 | prpplague | i think my wife would kill me if i created such a situation in the kitchen |
| 23:53.40 | g1powermac | hehe |
| 23:53.52 | g1powermac | who said it had to be in a kitchen? ;-) |
| 23:54.07 | prpplague | good point |
| 23:54.22 | g1powermac | and who said it had to be your kitchen? ;-) |
| 23:54.36 | prpplague | g1powermac problem is everything i had in mind outside the kitchen would draw the attention of the HSA |
| 23:54.47 | prpplague | 30 years ago, i used to make all kinds of stuff |
| 23:54.54 | g1powermac | who said it had to be on your property? ;-) |
| 23:54.57 | prpplague | can't do that kind of stuff anymore |
| 23:55.27 | g1powermac | plus, HSAs really suck |
| 23:55.47 | prpplague | yea well if you |
| 23:56.30 | prpplague | yea well if you've ever read "Harrison Bergeron" the HSA is basically after people who are smart and have the capability of "doing something" |
| 23:56.36 | prpplague | not much of a mandate |
