| 00:00.12 | prpplague^2 | ce_geek sorry i've been too swampped to check |
| 00:00.15 | prpplague^2 | ce_geek i'll email myself and try to check in the morning |
| 00:00.17 | prpplague^2 | ce_geek i'm sure you could tweak the gcc build for gnat, if the support isn't already there |
| 00:02.27 | ce_geek | prpplague: I'll have to take a look at it. |
| 00:02.57 | ds2 | anyone used the parallel port on the webpal ? (don't think I got a response last time I asked) |
| 00:04.33 | prpplague | ds2 yea 100 years ago |
| 00:04.53 | ds2 | so it does work with the 2.4 kernel that is floating around? |
| 00:05.17 | ds2 | remember if you used the /dev/lpX interface or raw IO? |
| 00:06.42 | ds2 | it _SEEMS_ like the ideal platform that just needs a few 5V GPIO's |
| 00:07.36 | prpplague | ds2 sorry i don't recall, its been ages |
| 00:07.53 | ds2 | okay |
| 00:07.58 | prpplague | ds2 might try asking T0mW |
| 00:08.36 | ds2 | 'k |
| 00:08.54 | ds2 | most of the newer boards seems overkill and are not 5V |
| 00:15.33 | solar | RobotGuy: that's what USB hubs are for |
| 00:17.04 | RobotGuy | solar: I know. I am waiting for a Hammer-RDP prototype to be ready for testing. It will make using hammer very easy for things like robotics. |
| 00:17.49 | RobotGuy | I am hoping there will be a lot of interested once Hammer-RDP is available to the general masses. |
| 00:18.10 | RobotGuy | I've even gotten some interested from a company in the UK. |
| 00:18.39 | RobotGuy | I wish I knew how to setup a .com website. |
| 00:19.46 | ds2 | that is pretty trivial to do |
| 00:21.18 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: What's the -RDP? |
| 00:21.32 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Robotics Development Platform |
| 00:21.42 | ds2 | the nail answer to the RobotStick |
| 00:21.50 | ds2 | s/nail/hammer/ |
| 00:22.02 | ce_geek | Cool. Is TCT working on this? |
| 00:22.05 | RobotGuy | It's really more of general application board for process control applications though |
| 00:22.17 | RobotGuy | ds2: Not at all |
| 00:22.23 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Yes |
| 00:22.25 | ds2 | RobotGuy: no? what's the difference? |
| 00:22.33 | ds2 | no AVR? |
| 00:22.40 | RobotGuy | ds2: Why would you compare it to a RobotStix? |
| 00:22.52 | ds2 | 5V, robotics app target |
| 00:23.04 | RobotGuy | ds2: Dual 3.3V/5V |
| 00:23.18 | ds2 | but aren't the GPIO's setup on there to be 5V? |
| 00:23.23 | RobotGuy | ds2: As I said, it can be used for applications other than robotics. |
| 00:23.33 | ds2 | so can the robotstix |
| 00:23.34 | RobotGuy | ds2: They are jumperable for 3.3V or 5V |
| 00:23.54 | RobotGuy | The Hammer-RDB allows stackable add-on boards. |
| 00:23.58 | RobotGuy | RDP |
| 00:24.40 | RobotGuy | ds2: I2C will be available for 3.3V and 5V devices. |
| 00:25.15 | RobotGuy | ds2: Can RoboStix do those tricks? |
| 00:25.23 | ds2 | I believe so |
| 00:25.33 | ds2 | the RoboStix has an extra AVR |
| 00:25.41 | ds2 | and offers extra ADCs |
| 00:25.51 | RobotGuy | ds2: If youy are referring to the Gumstix board, I don't think so. |
| 00:26.06 | RobotGuy | ds2: Hammer-RDP will have 8x 12 bit ADC. |
| 00:26.31 | ds2 | RobotGuy: I am... I seem to recall discussions for that sort of stuff on the list... but since I don't have use for them, I might be mistaken |
| 00:26.49 | RobotGuy | ds2: You should check closer. |
| 00:27.09 | ds2 | like I said, I don't have a use for most of those |
| 00:27.18 | RobotGuy | The Hammer-RDP's stackable add-on boards can be pretty much anything you want. |
| 00:27.32 | RobotGuy | ds2: You are speculating then, right? |
| 00:27.35 | ds2 | interfacing with 5V is a nuisance but it isn't that hard and adding ADCs is a matter of dropping in I2C or SPI devices |
| 00:27.44 | ds2 | RobotGuy: no, I am going by what i saw on the list |
| 00:27.51 | ds2 | no verification |
| 00:28.01 | RobotGuy | ds2: I am dispensing fact. :) |
| 00:28.09 | ds2 | ok |
| 00:28.41 | ds2 | RobotGuy: mind explaining why this is useful to have? none of those functions are harder then a minor annoyance to do on your own |
| 00:28.50 | RobotGuy | Hammer-RDP will make interfacing to various components and devices much easier than it is now. |
| 00:29.25 | RobotGuy | ds2: Hammer-RDP will have the facilities you speak of designed in. |
| 00:29.34 | ds2 | how much easier can it be right now? |
| 00:29.48 | ds2 | it is dip-40, close to wire wrap ready |
| 00:30.07 | RobotGuy | ds2: How about just having to set a jumper for 3.3V or 5V operation of I/O pins? |
| 00:30.22 | g1powermac_PB | well, that was the best darn non dairy ice cream I've ever had. . . |
| 00:30.31 | g1powermac_PB | made out of coconut milk. . . |
| 00:30.34 | ds2 | RobotGuy: that's a single LVCX chip to drop in |
| 00:30.43 | ds2 | or a 2N2222 job or ... |
| 00:31.08 | RobotGuy | ds2: I't not going to argue with you about this. if you don't find the Hammer-RDP to be useful, then you are free to do things in whatever way you want. :) |
| 00:31.50 | ds2 | RobotGuy: not argueing, I just want to see why people would want it... it is like the 0.1" reason |
| 00:32.14 | RobotGuy | ds2: Hammer-RDP will make it easier for those to use who do not have the skills you have. |
| 00:32.50 | ds2 | gets ideas of ways to undercut all this... write a book on doing that }:-) |
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| 00:37.54 | dbtid | i meant "attr" |
| 01:04.28 | prpplague | dbtid try sjhill tomorrow |
| 01:04.51 | prpplague | dbtid he did the entire core of NPTL for mips and is very knowledgable about it on arm |
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| 01:06.23 | prpplague | dbtid http://www.kernel.org/doc/ols/2006/ols2006v1-pages-409-420.pdf |
| 01:06.24 | solar | dbtid: lots of ppl are using it with any recent glibc. Just no uClibc at this time. |
| 01:08.22 | prpplague | lordy lordy |
| 01:08.36 | prpplague | i have 5 drivers to complete before EOD friday |
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| 01:33.54 | RobotGuy | Why is my kernel build looking for a softfloat toolchain?? |
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| 01:36.20 | RobotGuy | prpplague: ping |
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| 01:38.21 | sunrunner20 | welcome back |
| 01:38.22 | sunrunner20 | http://www.dyers.org/blog/beards/beard-types/ |
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| 01:41.33 | chouimat | sunrunner20: nice |
| 01:43.27 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 01:43.28 | sunrunner20 | 2006: Beard Shaving 2006 |
| 01:43.28 | sunrunner20 | After getting it in my head that I looked like a 70s camp counselor, I started laughing and dropped my camera. The camera broke, leaving me with only two fully bearded pictures for the year. |
| 01:43.34 | sunrunner20 | whoops, thought that was one line |
| 01:43.45 | chouimat | hehe |
| 01:44.14 | sunrunner20 | he does in those pics btw... |
| 01:46.26 | prpplague | RobotGuy pong |
| 01:46.38 | chouimat | sunrunner20: lol |
| 01:46.56 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Why would my kernel build be looking for a softfloat toolchain? |
| 01:47.59 | prpplague | RobotGuy if you have no float emulation turned on in the kernel |
| 01:48.13 | RobotGuy | checks |
| 01:50.01 | RobotGuy | I can't see where that is turned on/off. :( |
| 01:50.10 | chouimat | sunrunner20: I'm waiting for the supermario :) |
| 01:50.38 | prpplague | RobotGuy please post your .config for your kernel |
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| 01:52.42 | chouimat | sunrunner20: did you read the FAQ ? |
| 01:52.49 | RobotGuy | pastebin isn't working |
| 01:53.09 | RobotGuy | I don't know how to post a whole file like that. ;( |
| 01:53.22 | RobotGuy | can't remember |
| 01:58.34 | prpplague | RobotGuy http://rafb.net/paste/ |
| 01:59.42 | prpplague | RobotGuy what makes you think that the kernel needs a softfloat toolchain? |
| 02:00.09 | RobotGuy | Because it gets some error because it can't find it. |
| 02:00.42 | solar | RobotGuy: perhaps a patch you inherited from me for the Makefile? |
| 02:00.54 | prpplague | RobotGuy can you pastebin the error? |
| 02:01.20 | RobotGuy | prpplague: http://rafb.net/p/CbPkqX30.html |
| 02:01.58 | prpplague | RobotGuy you have fpe enabled so that is fine |
| 02:02.09 | prpplague | RobotGuy most like you have your Makefile configured for softfloat |
| 02:02.15 | RobotGuy | prpplague: http://rafb.net/p/HHjU0o12.html |
| 02:02.29 | solar | yep. |
| 02:02.35 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I didn't add anything for softfloat |
| 02:02.41 | solar | $EDITOR Makefile ; search for CROSS_COMPILE |
| 02:03.08 | prpplague | RobotGuy pastebin your error message |
| 02:03.12 | solar | heh did |
| 02:03.16 | solar | he |
| 02:03.55 | RobotGuy | The Makefile doesn't have anything for softfloat. I never added anything for softfloat |
| 02:04.58 | prpplague | oops sorry doing to many things |
| 02:05.13 | prpplague | RobotGuy yea you have your Makefile configured for softfloat |
| 02:05.38 | RobotGuy | I didn't make it that way |
| 02:05.53 | RobotGuy | All I changed was CROSS_COMPILE and added ARCH=arm |
| 02:05.53 | prpplague | RobotGuy did you apply any patches to the kernel? |
| 02:06.02 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Yeah, the hammer patch |
| 02:06.08 | prpplague | RobotGuy what did you put for cross_compile? |
| 02:06.19 | prpplague | RobotGuy can paste your makefile? |
| 02:06.27 | solar | or. grep CROSS_COMPILE Makefile |
| 02:06.31 | prpplague | or email it to me |
| 02:06.42 | RobotGuy | CROSS_COMPILE ?= arm-linux-uclibc- |
| 02:07.02 | solar | when you said you changed it. Was it set to the other before? |
| 02:07.33 | RobotGuy | solar: i wasn't set for arm or anything for CROSS_COMPILE |
| 02:08.20 | RobotGuy | I'll just go back to 2.6.25.7 |
| 02:09.11 | RobotGuy | That don't work either now. I don't know what the problem is. :( :( :( |
| 02:09.29 | prpplague | RobotGuy what kernel version were you using? |
| 02:09.41 | RobotGuy | 2.6.25.8 |
| 02:10.00 | prpplague | RobotGuy uh, ok, and you said you applied a hammer patch? |
| 02:10.02 | solar | not set in the env is it? echo $CC / $CROSS_COMPILE ? |
| 02:10.04 | RobotGuy | Yes |
| 02:10.15 | prpplague | RobotGuy i've never posted a 2.6.25 patch |
| 02:10.25 | prpplague | RobotGuy where did you get it? |
| 02:10.44 | RobotGuy | It was one you gave me. (I think) |
| 02:10.55 | prpplague | RobotGuy not me |
| 02:11.26 | RobotGuy | I don't know then. :( |
| 02:11.38 | prpplague | RobotGuy can you email me the patch |
| 02:11.40 | solar | mirrored here http://dev.gentoo.org/~solar/embedded/tct/patch-2.6.25-rc7-hammer |
| 02:11.47 | RobotGuy | All I know is 2.6.25.8 does not have the hammer stuff in it. |
| 02:12.37 | prpplague | looks |
| 02:12.46 | prpplague | uh it sure does |
| 02:12.57 | RobotGuy | I have patch-2.6.25-rc7-hammer and patch-2.6.25-rc8 and patch-2.6.25-rc7 |
| 02:12.58 | prpplague | besides. there is no need for that patch |
| 02:13.31 | prpplague | RobotGuy those are only need of the rc's |
| 02:13.39 | prpplague | RobotGuy not for the actual release |
| 02:13.51 | RobotGuy | There is no hammer stuff in 2.6.25.7 or .8 without a patch |
| 02:14.06 | prpplague | checks the git tree |
| 02:14.14 | g1powermac_PB | anyone know where to get really bright white leds? |
| 02:14.29 | RobotGuy | http://www.superbrightleds.com |
| 02:15.03 | g1powermac_PB | well, now that works :-) |
| 02:15.26 | RobotGuy | Sparkfun also has some |
| 02:15.33 | g1powermac_PB | yea, seen them |
| 02:15.50 | RobotGuy | Uh oh, heart pains. |
| 02:15.55 | prpplague | sorry my bad, too tired, its 2.6.26 that has hammer support |
| 02:16.42 | prpplague | http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=blob;f=arch/arm/mach-s3c2410/mach-tct_hammer.c;h=d90d445ccfb41c19d6c05ee0e0b0c1de43590cec;hb=d70ac829b7f42d7ef4f879635c6a772b0b4ed0a2 |
| 02:17.44 | RobotGuy | What do I apply the 2.6.26-rc7 patch to? |
| 02:17.46 | solar | !tinyurl |
| 02:17.53 | prpplague | solar sorry |
| 02:18.17 | prpplague | RobotGuy no patch needed for 2.6.26-rc7 the hammer support is already there |
| 02:18.41 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I only seem to be able to get a patch. What is it applied against? |
| 02:18.55 | prpplague | RobotGuy oh you mean for the rc |
| 02:18.58 | solar | just the CPU? Leds/Beeper still need to be submitted? |
| 02:19.08 | prpplague | RobotGuy yea, dl 2.6.25 then apply the 2.6.26-rc7 patch to that |
| 02:19.27 | RobotGuy | There is also a -git3 patch. Which do I want? |
| 02:19.28 | prpplague | solar yea, leds and button stuff need to be submitted |
| 02:19.38 | prpplague | just the rc7 |
| 02:19.47 | RobotGuy | OK, I will try that. |
| 02:19.57 | prpplague | RobotGuy what are you upgrading your kernel for right now anyway? |
| 02:21.34 | RobotGuy | Better drivers |
| 02:21.48 | prpplague | which drivers? |
| 02:21.51 | RobotGuy | WiFi |
| 02:22.01 | solar | USB WiFi? |
| 02:22.04 | RobotGuy | Yes |
| 02:22.09 | prpplague | ahh |
| 02:22.11 | RobotGuy | Ralink |
| 02:22.36 | prpplague | solar still not sure about the buzzer code |
| 02:22.42 | prpplague | solar i need to look it over again |
| 02:23.03 | prpplague | i just don't have time |
| 02:25.32 | solar | I think I'm going to write a userspace app around it. |
| 02:26.15 | prpplague | oh? |
| 02:26.55 | solar | yeah. |
| 02:27.11 | solar | I've found shell scripting to be a bit troublesome around dealing it it. |
| 02:27.21 | prpplague | solar indeed |
| 02:27.22 | solar | I'd like it make it play a song or do morse code |
| 02:27.44 | prpplague | solar yea, you could some of the old school beeper tunes |
| 02:30.19 | solar | actually you know what. There is a program already called beep |
| 02:30.49 | solar | which I could hack up. Just remove the -f option and make it not use ioctl() for the snd card |
| 02:32.32 | prpplague | solar would be best to fix it as to a squarewave frequency rather that the abstract number i've used |
| 02:36.14 | prpplague | s/abstract/obscure |
| 02:38.11 | RobotGuy | prpplague: How do I get rid of the durn softfloat thing? |
| 02:40.38 | RobotGuy | Wait, I think that is a thing with APEX, not the kernel. Doublechecking |
| 02:41.08 | RobotGuy | It's with APEX, SORRY |
| 02:41.29 | solar | for x in $(seq 1 100) ; do echo $(($RANDOM % 100)) > duration ; echo $(($RANDOM % 4096)) > beep ; usleep 33333; done |
| 02:41.40 | solar | makes some rather crazy sounds on the nail |
| 02:41.43 | prpplague | hehe |
| 02:42.10 | prpplague | lordy lordy |
| 02:42.37 | prpplague | i have to overhaul the gpio_mouse driver so i can use interrupts tomorrow |
| 02:43.17 | prpplague | i'm hoping to get that done by mid day |
| 02:43.39 | prpplague | checks his todo list |
| 02:43.57 | chouimat | hi prpplague |
| 02:44.03 | prpplague | chouimat hey |
| 02:44.30 | chouimat | bbiab need to go fetch a cold glass and a cider |
| 02:45.18 | chouimat | prpplague: so how is work lately? |
| 02:45.30 | prpplague | ~lart chouimat for asking about work |
| 02:45.30 | purl | beats chouimat into protomatter with the andromeda galaxy for asking about work |
| 02:45.38 | chouimat | prpplague: that bad |
| 02:45.53 | prpplague | OH YEA |
| 02:45.58 | RobotGuy | APEX is the thing that the stupid softfloat error is on. How do I fix it? |
| 02:46.15 | prpplague | edit the .config to change the compiler |
| 02:46.24 | prpplague | or run make menuconfig and chang ethe compiler |
| 02:46.49 | chouimat | prpplague: mine is still ok, except for the last 1.5 weeks I'm been checking translations ... end of development crap ... 1.0 is 3 weeks |
| 02:48.03 | RobotGuy | OK, compiling now. I am so dumb today. |
| 02:48.53 | prpplague | lordy lordy |
| 02:48.58 | prpplague | should be in bed |
| 02:49.16 | prpplague | i did a 7am to 6pm with no lunch today |
| 02:50.42 | prpplague | http://tinyurl.com/3jsw73 |
| 02:50.50 | prpplague | i can't believe they let that in the kernel |
| 02:50.59 | prpplague | its a total crap driver |
| 02:51.45 | prpplague | it does an event even when there is no movement |
| 02:51.50 | chouimat | prpplague: ewww go sleep ...or at least eat something :) |
| 02:52.08 | prpplague | i'm having liquid dinner |
| 02:53.20 | chouimat | prpplague: I should have take yesterday,today, tomorrow and the 26th off ... my father is opening the museum of which he is the chairman of the board tomorrow |
| 02:53.39 | solar | I had the same dinner yesterday. 4-5 pints and ~20 shots of gentlemens jack |
| 02:53.52 | prpplague | solar hehe |
| 02:54.09 | prpplague | solar glad to see i'm not the only drunkard in #edev |
| 02:54.47 | solar | prpplague: I'm known for my drinking. http://dev.gentoo.org/~solar/images/FAIL.jpeg |
| 02:54.55 | prpplague | ( chouimat is a drunkard too, but hey he's canadian, that doesn't really count) |
| 02:55.12 | prpplague | solar btdt |
| 02:55.23 | chouimat | I just cook something amazing today .... a mix of oinons,garlic,celery,bell peppers (green,red,yellow,orange), brussel sprouts, beef all slowly simmered in a nice sauce (soy sauce and hoisin sauce), salt and pepper :) |
| 02:55.35 | solar | as we all have :) |
| 02:56.02 | prpplague | nothing like waking up in the foutain near the black thorn in ottawa with half the arm kernel devlopers |
| 02:56.40 | chouimat | solar: I never did that ... but I remember that day after a night of hard drinking ... I was able to follow my step backward because of the stuff I left in the snow |
| 02:56.49 | chouimat | prpplague: hehe |
| 02:57.20 | prpplague | has some foggy but nice memories of drunkin pub crawls in ottawa |
| 02:58.31 | solar | if you have to much time and money. http://www.worldsbiggestpubcrawl.com/ |
| 02:58.53 | prpplague | cooool |
| 02:59.21 | chouimat | prpplague: me it was in quebec city the 22nd of december ... the day after was the family xmas dinner because my sister was leaving for a few months ... I had one of the worst hangover I ever had ... |
| 02:59.45 | prpplague | http://www.ratebeer.com/View-User-1210.htm |
| 02:59.47 | chouimat | and a lot of screaming kids |
| 03:00.02 | prpplague | i don't get around to rating them any more |
| 03:00.07 | prpplague | guess i really should |
| 03:00.23 | chouimat | prpplague: you just "enjoy them by the 24" ;) |
| 03:00.37 | prpplague | hehe |
| 03:01.19 | solar | finds the BridgePort IPA to be ok. |
| 03:03.25 | chouimat | prpplague: I have 2 beers from a microbrewer from quebec city here ( La Barberie) I have the IPA and the Imperial Stout ... which one I should drink ? |
| 03:04.02 | chouimat | both are ALE on lees .... ipa 5% (canadian) and the stout is 7.5% |
| 03:04.57 | prpplague | chouimat i'd have to with the IPA this evening, but thats just me |
| 03:05.01 | solar | ALE before Stouts if mixing and matching. Or make yourself two black and tans |
| 03:06.22 | RobotGuy | sighs |
| 03:07.03 | solar | RobotGuy: having trouble still? |
| 03:07.16 | chouimat | prpplague: ever tried the Grasshopper? |
| 03:07.39 | chouimat | it seems I have 31 beers in my fridge ... some are quite weird |
| 03:08.50 | RobotGuy | I don't know yet. |
| 03:11.34 | prpplague | chouimat don't tink so |
| 03:14.25 | chouimat | sorry I was taking care of the dead bodies in my kitchen |
| 03:14.59 | chouimat | prpplague: http://www.ratebeer.com/beer/big-rock-grasshopper-wheat-ale/29/ |
| 03:17.31 | prpplague | oh i've seen that one at the store |
| 03:18.01 | chouimat | prpplague: it's light ... but for summer is way better than coors light, bud light or corona :) |
| 03:18.22 | chouimat | and it's better on tap :) |
| 03:18.24 | ds2 | take oen down, pass it around... 30 bottles of beer in the fridge... |
| 03:18.35 | prpplague | ambient-cr , shhh, who needs that when you got a good sixpack |
| 03:18.45 | chouimat | ds2: and 99 empties in the house |
| 03:18.51 | prpplague | heads to bed |
| 03:18.55 | prpplague | later folks |
| 03:18.58 | chouimat | night |
| 03:19.00 | ds2 | later |
| 03:19.23 | prpplague | goes to have nightmares of zombie platform_drivers |
| 03:20.14 | ds2 | drivers are fun thing... the stuff in kernel/* now that... |
| 03:20.38 | chouimat | lolhttp://carbonatedarts.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-shopping-cart/product_images/goals-boobs.jpg <--- prpplague ds2 |
| 03:20.43 | chouimat | sorry for the post :) |
| 03:21.51 | ds2 | posts? I don't see no posts... just 2 goals ;) |
| 03:22.09 | chouimat | ds2: http://skywalker.speakerz.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/zoomer.jpeg |
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| 03:48.32 | chouimat | ds2: ping |
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| 13:13.07 | mbuf | anyone here has been working on the LN2440SBC/LP35 board from littlechips? |
| 13:14.28 | prpplague | mbuf: not directly, but yea |
| 13:15.06 | mbuf | prpplague, what was your nickname on the littlechips.com forum? |
| 13:15.28 | mbuf | prpplague, i am looking for a working kernel (with the ramdisk) on this board; |
| 13:15.33 | prpplague | hehe never been on the littlechips.com forum iirc |
| 13:15.52 | mbuf | prpplague, ahh ok; my cross-compiled 2.6.18.1 boots, but, it doesn't detect the ramdisk |
| 13:16.17 | mbuf | prpplague, the pre-built zImage from littlechips works with the ramdisk on board; but, no sources |
| 13:16.27 | mbuf | prpplague, "ragrot" has been providing most support in the forums |
| 13:17.03 | prpplague | mbuf: yea the actual support from littlechips is pretty much non-existant |
| 13:17.35 | prpplague | mbuf: 2.6.25 is a much better choice right now for a kernel |
| 13:18.15 | mbuf | prpplague, yes; will provide a patch, once it is done |
| 13:18.55 | prpplague | mbuf: what exactly is the problem with the ramdisk? i.e. can you paste the error messages to http://www.rafb.net |
| 13:19.29 | mbuf | prpplague, ramdisk is ok; the usual "Unable to detect rootfs: kernel panic" problem |
| 13:20.01 | mbuf | prpplague, already 2.6.18.1 with poky is built-in; littlechips.com haven't given the NAND flash memory layout |
| 13:20.13 | mbuf | *have created a patch for poky (not built-in) |
| 13:20.30 | prpplague | mbuf: ahh ok |
| 13:22.03 | prpplague | mbuf: well, i'd say probably either the ramdisk isn't where it is suppose to be, or that it wasn't copied from flash to sdram correctly |
| 13:23.06 | mbuf | prpplague, i used the same ramdisk with the prebuilt image provided, and it worked :p |
| 13:23.33 | prpplague | mbuf: ok that means that you have something misconfigured in the kernel |
| 13:23.54 | mbuf | prpplague, yes |
| 13:24.04 | prpplague | mbuf: can you paste your kernel .config to http://www.rafb.net ? |
| 13:24.06 | mbuf | prpplague, http://pastebin.ca/1055714 |
| 13:24.32 | mbuf | prpplague, there is nothing in the kernel command line, oops |
| 13:26.06 | prpplague | mbuf: ok looks like you have the kernel configured to boot from nfs by default |
| 13:26.17 | prpplague | mbuf: s/boot/root |
| 13:27.05 | mbuf | prpplague, i thought poky applied the patch |
| 13:27.10 | mbuf | goes to check this build |
| 13:38.40 | dbtid | solar: regarding glibc and ntpl on arm: aside from big tools like oe and the like, do you know of any instructions or process that's documented that would tell me what all i need to make that work? |
| 13:38.42 | prpplague | can't figure out whats going with this driver |
| 13:38.48 | dbtid | cbrake: howdy |
| 13:39.07 | prpplague | dbtid: the NPTL is being intergrated into uclibc now |
| 13:39.14 | dbtid | i'm not using uclibc |
| 13:39.22 | prpplague | dbtid: ahh ok |
| 13:39.23 | dbtid | i have an older glibc |
| 13:39.30 | dbtid | i could bring everything forward |
| 13:39.38 | dbtid | crosstools 0.43 doesn't support NTPL yet for ARM |
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| 14:19.37 | sunrunner20 | ... |
| 14:20.07 | sunrunner20 | your kidding |
| 14:20.34 | sunrunner20 | what does the government think its doing putting down dragon skin |
| 14:20.40 | sunrunner20 | it needs the best bodyarmor it can get |
| 14:31.23 | g1powermac_PB | picked up a brand new portable black and white tv from the thrift store today for like $6.50 |
| 14:31.37 | g1powermac_PB | its one of those tv+radio thingies |
| 14:31.38 | chouimat|work | morning |
| 14:32.07 | g1powermac_PB | this sucker could definitely be hacked to do something different and interesting |
| 14:32.28 | g1powermac_PB | morning chouimat|work |
| 14:32.48 | g1powermac_PB | heya prpplague |
| 14:33.27 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: greetings |
| 14:34.01 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: i had one like that with my ts-1000 |
| 14:34.25 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague, did I tell you about the video podcast I'm thinking of making? |
| 14:37.17 | prpplague | sorry no |
| 14:38.14 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 14:38.14 | g1powermac_PB | ahh, well, I'm thinking of making a video podcast based on like Bob Vila meets electronic hacking, ie, taking old stuff, doing something to it to make new and interesting things |
| 14:38.15 | sunrunner20 | guuys |
| 14:38.25 | sunrunner20 | stop picking up more stuff to do lol |
| 14:38.28 | g1powermac_PB | and the title for it is "This Old Gadget" :-) |
| 14:39.09 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague, and whats great about it is it also lets me document all the hacks I've done in the past and future stuff |
| 14:39.24 | sunrunner20 | g1powermac_PB: need a host? |
| 14:39.36 | g1powermac_PB | sunrunner20: nope, I already got that all planned out |
| 14:39.47 | sunrunner20 | k, cause I've got plunty of bandwith extra |
| 14:39.57 | sunrunner20 | 3/4 of a tb or so |
| 14:40.02 | g1powermac_PB | nice |
| 14:40.27 | sunrunner20 | yea, I have 100gig/1tb bandwith |
| 14:40.32 | prpplague | if someone hands me one more thing to do, i'm going to run snap and go screaming thru the building naked |
| 14:40.37 | sunrunner20 | I use like 10gig and like 10gig |
| 14:40.58 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague, hahah |
| 14:43.10 | sunrunner20 | mmmm |
| 14:43.13 | sunrunner20 | md5sum * |
| 14:43.27 | sunrunner20 | delete all the archives that are identical |
| 14:43.33 | sunrunner20 | which they all should be |
| 14:43.36 | sunrunner20 | oh wait |
| 14:43.37 | prpplague | i hate ebing rushed and not doing things properly and having enough time to properly understand the code |
| 14:44.10 | sunrunner20 | oh god |
| 14:44.21 | sunrunner20 | what did I put in the file that makes each one different lol |
| 14:45.02 | prpplague | i've never had sooo much trouble setting up a driver |
| 14:45.37 | chouimat|work | prpplague now I have a bad mental image :) |
| 14:45.45 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:47.55 | solar | got that cpu led driver code mostly working working last night. |
| 14:48.13 | prpplague | solar: cool |
| 14:50.20 | solar | prpplague: yeah the h1940-bluetooth driver was easy to hack up into something more like I was aiming for. |
| 14:50.46 | prpplague | solar: ahh good deal |
| 14:51.16 | prpplague | solar: trying to configure this gpio_mouse driver, and it is fighting me\ |
| 14:52.03 | solar | I think if that ever gets enabled. We will stomp over our existing led code |
| 14:52.11 | solar | the key thing was for me to use machine_is_tct_hammer() vs machine_is_s3c2410() |
| 14:53.12 | prpplague | ahh |
| 14:53.16 | solar | also I noticed that your patch lists the hammer in the 2400 section of the Kconfig vs the 2410 |
| 14:53.19 | sunrunner20 | oh |
| 14:53.27 | sunrunner20 | now i rembember why I loged into joomla lol |
| 14:53.33 | sunrunner20 | 12 hours later lol ^_^ |
| 14:54.27 | sunrunner20 | makeing sure I had the version checked |
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| 15:20.51 | prpplague | hmm somethings eating my debug printk's |
| 15:22.30 | prpplague | frustrated with this driver |
| 15:22.54 | CosmicPenguin | Then get rid of the limo |
| 15:23.12 | prpplague | indeed |
| 15:24.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: something in the config of poky seems to squashing my printks |
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| 15:25.54 | CosmicPenguin | probably syslog |
| 15:25.59 | CosmicPenguin | check tty1 |
| 15:26.08 | CosmicPenguin | make sure you have ttyS0 registered as your console |
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| 15:28.14 | solar | cmdline in apex would be overriding that setting console=ttySAC0 |
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| 15:29.37 | CosmicPenguin | heh sorry |
| 15:29.38 | prpplague | solar: normally yea, there is an ioctl that can switch that from userspace |
| 15:29.50 | CosmicPenguin | forgot you ARM people think you are special enough to have your own serial device... :) |
| 15:30.02 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea it works fine from the buildroot image, but not from poky image |
| 15:30.16 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: same kernel .config ? |
| 15:30.48 | prpplague | yea |
| 15:31.13 | CosmicPenguin | odd |
| 15:31.49 | prpplague | indee |
| 15:44.31 | prpplague | hmm something weird going on with the console |
| 15:44.36 | prpplague | can't seem to use chvt |
| 15:44.42 | prpplague | gives me an ioctl error |
| 15:45.08 | CosmicPenguin | any one in particular? |
| 15:45.48 | prpplague | yea give me a second rebooting |
| 15:50.59 | prpplague | chvt: Couldn't get a file descriptor referring to the console |
| 15:51.00 | prpplague | chvt: VT_ACTIVATE: Bad file descriptor |
| 15:51.33 | CosmicPenguin | do you not have virtual consoles enabled? |
| 15:51.49 | CosmicPenguin | And remember that the consoles are 1 based |
| 15:52.29 | prpplague | yea |
| 15:53.11 | CosmicPenguin | I make that mistake often |
| 15:55.26 | prpplague | ahh found it |
| 15:55.40 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i didn't have the bind/unbind console turned on |
| 15:55.52 | CosmicPenguin | unfortunate |
| 15:55.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: and it wasn't a problem untill is specified fbcon options |
| 15:56.18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: looks like as long as you don't have fbcon as an arg it doesn't switch |
| 15:56.31 | prpplague | interesting |
| 15:57.32 | prpplague | turns fbcon off |
| 15:57.37 | kergoth | morning |
| 15:57.41 | CosmicPenguin | morning |
| 15:58.01 | prpplague | kergoth: greetings |
| 15:58.15 | kergoth | doesnt tty0 have a special meaning? foreground vt or somesuch? |
| 15:58.17 | prpplague | kergoth: how long you been working for MV? |
| 15:58.18 | kergoth | scratches head |
| 15:58.46 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: yeah, I believe so |
| 15:58.50 | prpplague | yea |
| 16:00.22 | kergoth | prpplague: a year as of this month |
| 16:00.33 | kergoth | sad that i had to look that up on my linkedin profile |
| 16:00.34 | kergoth | :P |
| 16:00.39 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:00.49 | kergoth | has a crappy sense of time & date |
| 16:06.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the default options for the poky build drives me nuts |
| 16:07.07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: just not geared for debugging |
| 16:07.32 | CosmicPenguin | I'm sure options can be added |
| 16:07.45 | CosmicPenguin | look at it from their point of view - most people don't want debugging |
| 16:08.17 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: indeed, i've started making some changes |
| 16:08.57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: right, but alot of these options would only add about 10k to the build, no sense in not having them |
| 16:09.56 | CosmicPenguin | discuss it with RP |
| 16:10.06 | CosmicPenguin | mabye its as easy adding some of them to the build options |
| 16:10.20 | CosmicPenguin | Remember who he is trying to impress |
| 16:10.38 | CosmicPenguin | It costs nothing to add fbcon to the build, but most normal users recoil in fear when they see hte kernel boot |
| 16:12.34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, i'm more talking about alot of the busybox options |
| 16:13.08 | kergoth | i doubt he'd be opposed to adding a few of those, if they dont add a lot of weight to the build, or add an alternate build of busybox |
| 16:14.51 | prpplague | weird something must be up with my lcd fb driver |
| 16:15.06 | prpplague | disable the bootlogo and it seems to work fine\ |
| 16:23.13 | prpplague | cbrake: did you get a driver working for that trackball? |
| 16:30.04 | prpplague | lordy lordy, gonna have to re-write this driver |
| 16:30.35 | prpplague | time to start drinking yet? |
| 16:39.08 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: this input driver is suppose to use the input polling, but it doesn't seem to be kicking off |
| 16:39.23 | prpplague | starts with a fresh driver that is interrupt based |
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| 16:52.28 | prpplague | davidc__: hey hey, long time no see |
| 16:54.02 | davidc__ | heya prpplague, yup.. I've been off adventuring for a while |
| 16:54.11 | davidc__ | just got back from a 40 day kayaking trip |
| 16:54.17 | prpplague | wow |
| 16:54.31 | prpplague | must be nice to have that kind of free time, hehe |
| 16:54.49 | davidc__ | hah - its something me + a buddy have been planning for years |
| 16:54.55 | prpplague | i wouldn't know what to do with 4 days off much less 40 |
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| 17:12.52 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i have no time to work with your right now on it |
| 17:12.52 | prpplague | RobotGuy: maybe later this evening |
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| 17:12.52 | RobotGuy | I know the result, but have no idea how it happened, since all I did was plug Nail in and flash it two or three times. |
| 17:12.53 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you aren't able to access it at all via openocd? |
| 17:12.53 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I can't access the hammer module that came on Nail using openocd at all. |
| 17:12.53 | RobotGuy | I swapped modules. |
| 17:12.53 | prpplague | RobotGuy: OH |
| 17:12.53 | prpplague | RobotGuy: so its fried? |
| 17:12.53 | prpplague | RobotGuy: how the hell did you do that? |
| 17:13.31 | prpplague | RobotGuy: so put the other hammer module on the nail board and it works fine? |
| 17:13.31 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Apparently so. :( :( I just flashed it a few times before I even removed Nail from the case. That's all I did and then I couldn't access it anymore. |
| 17:13.31 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Yes, I swapped the modules between my carrier board and the nail board and Nail works fine now. |
| 17:13.31 | prpplague | RobotGuy: interesting |
| 17:13.36 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i assume you had flashed it with a custom kernel with 1000000000 things turned on |
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| 17:13.40 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I am always careful when handling electronics, and have a grounded anti-static mat on my work table, complete with wrist strap. |
| 17:14.22 | RobotGuy | I've never had problems like this with stuff frying. |
| 17:14.40 | RobotGuy | I handle microcontrollers and other electronics every day without this happening. |
| 17:15.26 | prpplague | RobotGuy: my guess is you've got something turned on in the kernel that is turning on a gpio as an output with is actually should be an input |
| 17:15.26 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I can't flash the module at all though now. |
| 17:15.39 | prpplague | RobotGuy: right, its fried |
| 17:16.11 | RobotGuy | I don't know how that happened either. How could turning on something in the kernel cause this? |
| 17:16.11 | prpplague | RobotGuy: my guess is you've got something turned on in the kernel that is turning on a gpio as an output with is actually should be an input |
| 17:16.56 | RobotGuy | I've only turned on the stuff I normally turn on. |
| 17:17.15 | RobotGuy | But, it was a different kernel version if that makes any difference. |
| 17:17.33 | RobotGuy | I was working with kernel 2.6.25.7 at the time. |
| 17:18.16 | prpplague | not really, that kind of stuff is common when doing board bringups, usually occures when you turn on features that weren't designed for the board |
| 17:18.30 | prpplague | my co-worker has destroyed two boards in the last month doing the same type of thing |
| 17:18.54 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I don't think I've turned on anything not appropriate for Hammer - just the stuff I usually have turned on. |
| 17:19.17 | prpplague | RobotGuy: ok, i can't argue with you without having seen the .config |
| 17:19.23 | RobotGuy | I feel really bad about this. |
| 17:19.32 | RobotGuy | I'm not trying to argue about anything. |
| 17:20.37 | solar | oh. I thought it was pretty unbrickable |
| 17:21.11 | RobotGuy | Unfortunately, I don't have the kernel config I was using. I cleaned all my kernel out yesterday. I only have 2.6.22 and 2.6.26-rc7 now. |
| 17:21.45 | prpplague | solar: hehe within reason, there are a few things you can do electrically to fry the board |
| 17:21.48 | RobotGuy | I think I am just jinxed with Hammer. I've spent almost 6 months just trying to get to the point where I can start on the new software for my robot. |
| 17:21.59 | prpplague | solar: but as firmware goes, you should always be able reprogram it |
| 17:22.23 | prpplague | RobotGuy: thats because you don't stick with a known good starting point |
| 17:22.29 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you keep starting over |
| 17:24.14 | solar | thats kinda a good thing to know cuz I was going to start bit banging on random addrs till I found how to simply add a few more leds |
| 17:26.03 | prpplague | solar: http://www.tincantools.com/assets/nail_rev-a_schematic.pdf |
| 17:26.09 | prpplague | solar: have a look at the schematic |
| 17:26.25 | prpplague | solar: for example GPC1,2,3,4 are all connected to the ft2232 |
| 17:26.28 | prpplague | solar: as inputs |
| 17:26.57 | prpplague | solar: if you turn those on as outputs then you can cause a overcurrent which will fry the cpu |
| 17:27.56 | prpplague | solar: before you "hack" on a gpio, always best to check the schematic to see what it is connected to |
| 17:28.58 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I need to have certain things in my kernel that doesn't come with the stock configuration. That should not be a problem. |
| 17:29.17 | RobotGuy | I haven't even got to the point where I can start actually using the hammer. |
| 17:29.22 | solar | crap gotta run. |
| 17:30.00 | prpplague | RobotGuy: well you need to check to see what it actually does |
| 17:30.19 | RobotGuy | Check to see what what actually does? |
| 17:31.20 | RobotGuy | thinks about just going back to tinkering with PICs and dsPICs and maybe ARM7. |
| 17:32.15 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i.e. don't turn on ps/2 mouse support if you haven't got one |
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| 17:32.54 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I don't do that. I only turn on features I am going to actually use. |
| 17:33.28 | prpplague | RobotGuy: can you post your kernel config ? |
| 17:33.55 | RobotGuy | I cleaned out all my kernel stuff yesterday so don't have any old configs now. |
| 17:35.09 | prpplague | okie dokie |
| 17:35.17 | RobotGuy | Sorry |
| 17:36.07 | RobotGuy | However, the config I am using for 2.6.26-rc7 should be the same as I was using for 2.6.25.7 - All I did was copy the config and run |
| 17:36.18 | RobotGuy | "make oldconfig" |
| 17:36.23 | prpplague | RobotGuy: post that one then |
| 17:36.26 | RobotGuy | OK |
| 17:38.52 | RobotGuy | prpplague: http://rafb.net/p/RmEuyZ12.html |
| 17:39.58 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I have not tried flashing with this config since the Nail board, and don't plan to at this point if it is doing weird stuff to my Hammer. |
| 17:42.06 | prpplague | RobotGuy: do you have a stowaway keyboard attached to the hammer? |
| 17:42.19 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Not yet. |
| 17:42.35 | prpplague | RobotGuy: do you plan to? |
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| 17:43.04 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Yes, at some point I am looking at getting one to make Hammer more portable. |
| 17:43.16 | prpplague | RobotGuy: but you don't right now? |
| 17:43.28 | RobotGuy | In don't have one right now. |
| 17:43.47 | prpplague | RobotGuy: that is a prime example of items that are an issue |
| 17:43.53 | RobotGuy | Nothing has been connected to this hammer module. |
| 17:44.17 | prpplague | RobotGuy: did you check to see what the default configuration for stowaway keyboard is before turning it on? |
| 17:44.37 | RobotGuy | prpplague: No |
| 17:44.54 | ds2 | g1powermac_PB: any interest in a NS486 eval board? |
| 17:45.01 | prpplague | RobotGuy: how do you know it isn't initializing a gpio that is connected to something else? |
| 17:45.03 | RobotGuy | Nothing was connected to the Nail board |
| 17:45.09 | sunrunner20 | ugh |
| 17:45.13 | sunrunner20 | I hate hearing my own voice |
| 17:45.32 | prpplague | RobotGuy: there are things connected on the nail board |
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| 17:46.05 | prpplague | RobotGuy: how do you know that the stowaway keyboard driver isn't initializing GPC1,2,3,or 4? |
| 17:46.08 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I mean, I had nothing of my own connected to the Nail Board. |
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| 17:46.44 | RobotGuy | Nail Board was in its case when this happened. |
| 17:47.04 | prpplague | RobotGuy: I UNDERSTAND THAT |
| 17:47.08 | RobotGuy | Do have to know exactly what each driver is doing? |
| 17:47.28 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you have to know pins it intends to use |
| 17:48.02 | prpplague | RobotGuy: how many tuners do you plan on having attached to the hammer? |
| 17:48.02 | RobotGuy | I am wondering if I am just better off not messing with embedded Linux at all. |
| 17:48.15 | RobotGuy | Tuners? |
| 17:48.19 | prpplague | CONFIG_MEDIA_TUNER_SIMPLE=m |
| 17:48.19 | prpplague | CONFIG_MEDIA_TUNER_TDA8290=m |
| 17:48.19 | prpplague | CONFIG_MEDIA_TUNER_TDA9887=m |
| 17:48.19 | prpplague | CONFIG_MEDIA_TUNER_TEA5761=m |
| 17:48.19 | prpplague | CONFIG_MEDIA_TUNER_TEA5767=m |
| 17:48.20 | prpplague | CONFIG_MEDIA_TUNER_MT20XX=m |
| 17:48.22 | prpplague | CONFIG_MEDIA_TUNER_XC2028=m |
| 17:48.24 | prpplague | CONFIG_MEDIA_TUNER_XC5000=m |
| 17:48.30 | ds2 | you are always better off messing with embedded Linux ! |
| 17:48.50 | RobotGuy | As in TV tuners? |
| 17:49.11 | ds2 | TV or FM radio |
| 17:49.21 | RobotGuy | Those shouldn't be turned on. |
| 17:49.32 | RobotGuy | Only stuff for webcams |
| 17:50.28 | prpplague | i count atleast 40 different drivers that could have caused a problem |
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| 17:51.25 | RobotGuy | Are those in the multimedia section? |
| 17:52.59 | prpplague | yea |
| 17:53.28 | RobotGuy | I don't see them when I do make menuconfig and go to the multimedia device section. |
| 17:53.41 | ds2 | goto menuconfig |
| 17:53.51 | ds2 | do '/TUNER_XC5000' |
| 17:54.02 | ds2 | it should list where that option is and who is selecting it |
| 17:54.07 | ds2 | repeat for each |
| 17:54.14 | RobotGuy | Unless they are related to the PVR, which shouldn't have been turned on. |
| 17:56.05 | prpplague | need to turn of the serio raw and gameport as well |
| 17:56.13 | RobotGuy | ds2: That still doesn't tell me anything. |
| 17:56.23 | RobotGuy | I have a joystick. |
| 17:56.32 | prpplague | RobotGuy: is it connected to the hammer? |
| 17:56.41 | ds2 | it tells you what option forced it on; if there isn't anything forced; then you must have selected it |
| 17:57.15 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I never got to the point where I could connect it. |
| 17:57.44 | prpplague | RobotGuy: did you check to see what the default pins are? |
| 17:58.03 | RobotGuy | It doesn't matter anymore. I can't do this anymore. |
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| 18:01.21 | prpplague | i have sooo tried to help him |
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| 18:19.57 | prpplague | well i didn't met my goal of having this driver working by 1pm cst |
| 18:20.14 | solar | irc slowing ya down? |
| 18:20.30 | prpplague | solar: naw, just lots of misc stuff with the kernel |
| 18:20.48 | prpplague | solar: irc doesn't slow me down to bad |
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| 18:22.14 | prpplague | solar: trying to finish a driver up for this - http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=755 |
| 18:23.19 | ds2 | a proper driver or are you faking it out a keypad? ;) |
| 18:24.03 | prpplague | ds2: actually it will run as a mouse |
| 18:24.27 | ds2 | cool |
| 18:24.37 | solar | thats more or less the same type of mini trackball found in blackberrys? |
| 18:24.48 | ds2 | are you submitting it for mainline inclusion when done? |
| 18:25.04 | prpplague | ds2: hadn't given it any thought |
| 18:25.12 | prpplague | solar: yea iirc |
| 18:25.56 | ds2 | prpplague: I tossed one of those in my last order so having a working driver for it is a plus |
| 18:26.59 | prpplague | ds2: still having problems with it |
| 18:27.13 | prpplague | ds2: i'm seeing the events but it doesn't seem that kdrive is listening |
| 18:28.13 | ds2 | prpplague: is kdrive opening the right device? (lsof) |
| 18:28.46 | prpplague | ds2: don't have lsof available in my build to tell |
| 18:29.01 | ds2 | do it by hand - find process id of kdrive |
| 18:29.16 | ds2 | goto /proc/${processid}/fd |
| 18:29.19 | ds2 | long ls |
| 18:29.24 | ds2 | it'll show you what it has open |
| 18:29.34 | ds2 | or do you also lack a shell/ls? ;) |
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| 18:30.45 | prpplague | ds2: ahh i was wondering where it was listed in /proc |
| 18:31.12 | ds2 | and if you lack ps... |
| 18:32.43 | prpplague | yea, its opening both the touchscreen and the tackball |
| 18:33.00 | ds2 | Hmm does kdrive support multiple pointing devices? |
| 18:33.10 | ds2 | and is there a concept of a "core pointer"? |
| 18:36.20 | prpplague | yea, i gave it a test earlier |
| 18:36.51 | sunrunner20 | hey, tar contains access time doesn't it |
| 18:38.16 | ds2 | tried comparing a real mouse with your driver? I assume you are using /dev/input/eventX? look for evtest.c it has been a very useful utility for me |
| 18:39.09 | prpplague | ds2: yea, loading a event debugging now to see whats going on |
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| 18:55.44 | prpplague | ds2: yea strange evtest isn't showing any reports of postition |
| 18:55.50 | prpplague | ds2: gonna have to dig |
| 19:00.32 | g1powermac_PB | ds2: hmm, got info on it? |
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| 19:09.37 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: on what ? |
| 19:09.57 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague, ds2's ns486 eval board |
| 19:10.13 | prpplague | oh |
| 19:10.44 | prpplague | ds2: looks like our very well respect EE has made some mistakes |
| 19:17.25 | prpplague | interesting |
| 19:17.40 | prpplague | i'm seeing the events now |
| 19:17.50 | prpplague | but kdrive still isn't moving the cursor |
| 19:26.45 | prpplague | ahh working now |
| 19:26.54 | prpplague | ds2: no need for a -mouse argument |
| 19:27.03 | prpplague | ds2: if you do that it tries to use a mouse protocol |
| 19:27.20 | prpplague | ds2: xfbdev will look at the events by default |
| 19:29.26 | prpplague | ds2: our EE added some pulldowns when they should have been pullups |
| 19:47.25 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 19:51.13 | prpplague | well not too bad, 2 hours behind schedule for todays goals |
| 19:57.26 | prpplague | wow i think #edev died |
| 19:59.14 | g1powermac_apl | nah |
| 20:00.06 | T0mW | sigh |
| 20:01.02 | T0mW | prpplague: I think my layout of the enc28j60 on this board is bad. I keep getting "lost connection" when transferring files. |
| 20:01.16 | prpplague | T0mW: hmm |
| 20:01.22 | T0mW | my other board doesn't do it. |
| 20:02.36 | T0mW | might be a bad part on the board. Whatever, I have some changes that have to be done to the one I have, so, might as well revamp the design and put the "good" layout on the HammerCLD. |
| 20:05.54 | prpplague | T0mW: fun fun |
| 20:06.08 | T0mW | prpplague: it happens |
| 20:06.13 | prpplague | indeed |
| 20:06.26 | prpplague | has been struggling with trackball stuff all day |
| 20:07.05 | T0mW | might be just a bad chip or osc not clean, but, just redo it |
| 20:08.01 | T0mW | prpplague: yeah, I spent a couple of days trying to find out why the gpe-image hoses the unix ptys. Still haven't found that one, the minimal-gpe-image works fine. |
| 20:20.59 | T0mW | prpplague: you know, that trackball stuff sounds interesting, something that could be used on the Zipit Z2. That has a similar rocker type joystick. |
| 20:21.17 | prpplague | T0mW: yep |
| 20:21.35 | prpplague | T0mW: the joystick works as a mouse our just arrow keys? |
| 20:22.00 | T0mW | prpplague: it works now as arrow keys. |
| 20:22.06 | prpplague | ahh |
| 20:22.42 | T0mW | maybe something like ALT+CLICK (center button) to switch modes (mouse / keys). |
| 20:23.00 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, gonna have to add some accelaration to the trackball functions |
| 20:23.12 | T0mW | heh |
| 20:23.36 | prpplague | T0mW: right now i have it x5 steps |
| 20:24.06 | prpplague | T0mW: but i can see it needs some exponential increases |
| 20:25.13 | ds2 | prpplague: lovely.. seems like your problems for the last month or so is all from this one person |
| 20:25.24 | prpplague | ds2: indeed |
| 20:25.40 | ds2 | g1powermac_apl: it is made by NSC; it has no real mode... you'll have to dig for datasheets though |
| 20:27.17 | ds2 | T0mW: have you used the parallel port on the WebPals before? and if so, do you recall if you used the /dev/lpXX interface or just wrote to memory |
| 20:27.46 | T0mW | bbiab, phone |
| 20:30.41 | T0mW | ds2: I didn't do much with that webpal. I don't remember |
| 20:31.06 | ds2 | T0mW: okay, thanks. |
| 20:31.08 | T0mW | I just kept the data on the website so it wouldn't disappers |
| 20:31.16 | ds2 | which website? |
| 20:31.30 | ds2 | or are you 'bigbird'? |
| 20:31.32 | T0mW | openhardware.net, the webpal schematic is on there |
| 20:31.36 | T0mW | nope |
| 20:31.58 | g1powermac_apl | ds2, what do you mean that it has no real mode? |
| 20:32.10 | ds2 | cool, I haven't seen this site... msot of what i got was from bigbird's site and some other geocities page |
| 20:32.28 | ds2 | g1powermac_apl: it doesn't have 8086 16bit real mode like a stock 486 would |
| 20:32.40 | ds2 | it comes up in 32bit mode |
| 20:33.23 | g1powermac_apl | ahh |
| 20:33.41 | ds2 | I found references to some people having Linux on it but I never found it |
| 20:34.00 | ds2 | think it even has a PC104 connector on it |
| 20:34.24 | T0mW | ds2: if you are interested, I might be able to dig around and see if I still have the buildroot stuff for the webpal |
| 20:35.01 | ds2 | T0mW: if it isn't too much trouble sure... I have the userspace tarball + a 2.4 kernel for it |
| 20:35.24 | ds2 | T0mW: just figure I'll use that as a simple Linux controller with 5V GPIO's on the parallel port |
| 20:36.04 | ds2 | nice, you have better docs then bigbird's site |
| 20:37.04 | g1powermac_apl | ds2, hmm, interesting |
| 20:38.20 | g1powermac_apl | alright, I think I perfected my pcb camcorder setup |
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| 20:42.18 | g1powermac_apl | ds2, would you want just the amount for shipping it here? |
| 20:42.38 | ds2 | g1powermac_apl: where is here? |
| 20:43.14 | g1powermac_apl | http://www.flickr.com/photos/77471288@N00/2611635406/ |
| 20:44.05 | g1powermac_apl | what do you guys think of that shot? |
| 20:44.58 | g1powermac_apl | ds2, PM |
| 20:45.52 | g1powermac_apl | wonders if he could send private messages since this nick isn't registered |
| 20:47.04 | ds2 | got it |
| 20:47.13 | g1powermac_apl | k |
| 20:47.39 | ds2 | g1powermac_apl: how about $2 + price actually paid + amount rounded up to nearest dollar? :) |
| 20:48.25 | ds2 | figuring a run to the post office will cost about much |
| 20:50.16 | g1powermac_apl | sounds good |
| 20:50.28 | g1powermac_apl | btw, do you have access to a ups store by any chance? |
| 20:50.56 | g1powermac_apl | I could also send you a ups label via our ups account |
| 20:51.08 | g1powermac_apl | you'd just need to drop it off at a ups store |
| 20:54.47 | prpplague | g1powermac_apl: wow nice |
| 20:57.13 | g1powermac_apl | prpplague, thanks :-) |
| 20:57.23 | g1powermac_apl | the new bulb made all the difference |
| 21:16.04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: poky include an app for configuring 802.11? |
| 21:31.27 | prpplague | hmm, getting some jitter on my ts panel |
| 21:31.55 | T0mW | prpplague: heh, your digital mouse has the jitters? |
| 21:32.19 | prpplague | T0mW: trackball is fine, its the ts panel, when using the onscreen keyboard |
| 21:32.25 | T0mW | ah |
| 21:35.42 | prpplague | yea gonna have to look at that |
| 21:38.01 | prpplague | looks like the sample rate is too high |
| 21:48.33 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I don't know |
| 21:48.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: np, got an answer from the poky folks |
| 21:49.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: sato on qvga is shaping up |
| 21:49.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: doesn't look half bad |
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| 22:12.36 | prpplague | hmm 1 jiffie sounds like a really short time for ts timer |
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| 22:52.03 | landley | Yay, found my nail board. |
| 22:58.09 | solar | landley: about time.. What was it hiding under? |
| 23:00.52 | landley | It was on the upstairs desk, in a plastic bag, under a pile of papers, behind a box. |
| 23:01.07 | landley | Said plastic bag is now in my backpack. |
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| 23:06.00 | solar | landley: good. Hopefully you will be able to help pinpoint these bugs that vda introduced in mdev |
| 23:08.06 | landley | solar: I added mdev to toybox, and I plan to bring it up to date soonish. |
| 23:08.15 | landley | But I haven't looked at busybox past 1.2.2. |
| 23:11.39 | solar | landley: cool sorta. |
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| 23:12.42 | prpplague | landley hey hey |
| 23:12.47 | solar | cool that you added it. bummer that you wont have time to help me track down a bug that all embedded users could really benefit from :p |
| 23:13.00 | prpplague | solar what kind of bug? |
| 23:13.23 | prpplague | landley you tube case came back |
| 23:13.39 | prpplague | landley ups said they tried 3 times to deliver |
| 23:13.50 | prpplague | landley can you send me an email with your current address? |
| 23:14.16 | solar | prpplague: few bugs actually. One the MDEV_EXEC feature is one full field over more than it should be. Then $ actions work. @ works. But * fails. And * is what we need for our auto mounting/umounting |
| 23:14.32 | prpplague | solar ahh |
| 23:14.46 | solar | So I got perfect handling on umounting. But plugging them in is a no go. |
| 23:15.02 | solar | and no need for hal/dbus when mdev could really handle it. |
| 23:15.16 | prpplague | solar someone in the uclinux mailing is discussing usb pass thru |
| 23:15.28 | prpplague | solar might be interesting to use with the nail |
| 23:15.42 | solar | I don't know what that is really. |
| 23:15.48 | solar | Oh prpplague |
| 23:16.13 | solar | I need to make my nail work w/o power from a computer. |
| 23:17.06 | prpplague | solar oh? |
| 23:17.08 | solar | Know any usb type b connnectors I could maybe tie into a 9V battery or such? |
| 23:17.08 | prpplague | why so? |
| 23:17.23 | solar | prpplague; cuz it would be useful with a usb wireless |
| 23:17.58 | ds2 | why not just use 4 AA's? |
| 23:18.07 | prpplague | ds2 need 5v regulated |
| 23:18.24 | prpplague | solar hmm |
| 23:18.28 | ds2 | prpplague: hwo's that different from a 9V other then being cheaper? |
| 23:18.39 | solar | 9V rechargeable was what I was thinking. And then using a little solar charger |
| 23:19.05 | prpplague | ds2 its not. still need 5v regulated |
| 23:19.22 | prpplague | solar can you describe what you had in mind? |
| 23:20.01 | ds2 | http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=SC1001&cat=CON |
| 23:20.03 | ds2 | + a cable |
| 23:20.07 | solar | prpplague: sure. I just want to inject power down the lines it needs. :) |
| 23:20.57 | solar | ds2: yeah more or less. There are a few nicer models I'd probably want to pick up. |
| 23:21.13 | prpplague | i mean how do you intend to use it |
| 23:21.17 | ds2 | solar: those things provide about 5.5-5.6V |
| 23:22.20 | prpplague | one sec phone |
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| 23:35.40 | solar | prpplague: I don't know how I intend to use it. But if I get it mobile it opens my options. |
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| 23:37.02 | solar | I know right off the back. There are 20 pins.. I like to learn myself how to attach atleast a bunch of leds to it. Then later on move into maybe controling a servo or two. |
| 23:38.03 | solar | I've been using the XPower Power Source 100 with it. But it's a little bulky |
| 23:50.33 | prpplague | solar okie dokie |
| 23:50.48 | prpplague | solar let me look over the schematic and put some thoughts together |
| 23:51.14 | ds2 | solar: what are you planning to do with a solar hammer? |
| 23:54.11 | CosmicPenguin | good superhero name |
| 23:54.51 | ds2 | I been toying with the idea of a solar powered web server either with a gumstix or a hammer |
| 23:58.17 | solar | ds2: tbh no idea... but the nail is a learning board. And now is a good time as any for me to start shifting my skills towards things that could lead me into ways of automating my life. |
| 23:58.42 | solar | anyway.. The pub next door is calling my name |
