| 00:22.40 | roxfan | tell you what |
| 00:22.54 | roxfan | i regged on wiki without agreeing to the license o.o |
| 00:24.03 | g1powermac_PB | really? |
| 00:24.05 | g1powermac_PB | hah |
| 00:24.17 | g1powermac_PB | how were you able to do that? |
| 00:24.57 | roxfan | forgot to check the checkbox >.> |
| 00:25.30 | g1powermac_PB | heh, kewl |
| 00:26.47 | g1powermac_PB | of course really the agreement prolly still applies |
| 00:27.47 | roxfan | i'm not sure about that... |
| 00:28.11 | g1powermac_PB | hmm |
| 00:30.13 | roxfan | no jtag on external connector, meh |
| 00:30.51 | g1powermac_PB | yea, and no serial either |
| 00:31.00 | g1powermac_PB | but, I bet its on the board somewhere |
| 00:32.49 | roxfan | well, there is usb... you can use serial over that |
| 00:33.17 | g1powermac_PB | true, but you won't get to its boot loader |
| 00:34.54 | g1powermac_PB | and I'm not sure if the usb is host or device |
| 00:42.06 | roxfan | looks like blob has serial over usb support o.o |
| 00:42.37 | g1powermac_PB | oh interesting |
| 00:53.33 | g1powermac_PB | GPSFan: btw, does that slimer kernel patch contain the wireless stuff? |
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| 01:10.55 | g1powermac_PB | ponders what kernel is in the openembedded port |
| 01:15.03 | g1powermac_PB | woot, won it on ebay for $114 which includes the shipping |
| 01:16.21 | g1powermac_PB | loves how the snipers tried to outbid me |
| 01:16.36 | g1powermac_PB | brought right to $1 of my high bid and they ran out of time |
| 01:35.09 | g1powermac_PB | hmm, I ponder if there is a camera that will hook straight upto the cif interface on the zipit without glue logic |
| 02:19.56 | GPSFan | g1powermac_PB: the wireless is compiled as a closed source module for the kernel revision that shipped with the Z2. So if you don't change the kernel version string in the Makefile, and there aren |
| 02:21.28 | GPSFan | 't any serious ABI issues it will work just fine. BTW T0mW bricked a unit trying to flash a new kernel before he knew all the details of the current z2 kernel. |
| 02:22.40 | g1powermac_PB | hmm, ok |
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| 02:23.18 | g1powermac_PB | so which kernel is used in the oe version? the closed source version? |
| 02:23.25 | GPSFan | the issue with the camera interface is an electrical one, ie. will the interface properly work over the connector/expansion board/cable? |
| 02:23.39 | GPSFan | the OE rootfs uses the current kernel |
| 02:24.26 | g1powermac_PB | ok |
| 02:24.57 | GPSFan | g1powermac_PB: congrats on winning the z2..!! |
| 02:25.18 | g1powermac_PB | prolly can do most of what he needs to do without worrying about the kernel |
| 02:25.23 | g1powermac_PB | thanks :-) |
| 02:26.12 | g1powermac_PB | think I got it for a pretty good price on ebay, they are pretty hot on ebay it seems |
| 02:26.52 | GPSFan | the current kernel is adequate for most apps. several folks have asked that zipit include kexec in the next kernel update so tha a new (foreign) kernel can be booted. (even if it means loss of wifi) |
| 02:28.30 | g1powermac_PB | really, the only thing I might need to do that will involve the kernel would be some driver work if I decide to play with the expansion port |
| 02:28.52 | GPSFan | you can always write a new module. |
| 02:29.03 | g1powermac_PB | yea, thats what I was thinking |
| 02:29.50 | GPSFan | the keyboard driver and fb driver are modules that were added to the current dist. |
| 02:30.00 | g1powermac_PB | ahh |
| 02:30.40 | g1powermac_PB | I awesome those drivers' sources are available somewhere? |
| 02:32.30 | GPSFan | yes, IIRC they are on the zipit wiki, if not I can dcc them to you. I didn't write any of them. |
| 02:32.35 | Mirell | I awesome! |
| 02:32.41 | Mirell | (Sorry g1powermac_PB) |
| 02:33.07 | g1powermac_PB | GPSFan: k, thanks |
| 02:33.18 | GPSFan | Mirell: sounds like a case of too much wine with dinner... ;>) |
| 02:33.30 | g1powermac_PB | mmm, wine |
| 02:33.33 | Mirell | GPSFan: Hehe. Just quite an amusing typo. |
| 02:33.43 | GPSFan | Mirell: indeed. |
| 02:34.23 | g1powermac_PB | dang, yea, that is a bad typo |
| 02:34.32 | g1powermac_PB | s/awesome/assume |
| 02:34.58 | GPSFan | that's some typo. |
| 02:35.05 | g1powermac_PB | I really wonder how the heck my fingers decided to type one thing while I'm thinking of typing another |
| 02:35.24 | Mirell | Freudian slip. :) |
| 02:35.27 | GPSFan | that's why I assumed the "wine" effect. |
| 02:35.55 | g1powermac_PB | hehe, no wine, just overtired which works about the same ;-) |
| 02:36.06 | g1powermac_PB | though I could go for a glass of wine ;-) |
| 02:37.47 | g1powermac_PB | Mirell: and the best part is I really had no clue what you were talking about till I reread what I typed as I thought I typed 'assumed' ;-) |
| 02:40.20 | g1powermac_PB | ah well, prolly should go to bed |
| 02:40.22 | g1powermac_PB | gnight all |
| 02:41.13 | GPSFan | night... |
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| 09:00.12 | [AD]Turbo | hi all |
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| 18:14.59 | g1powermac | GPSFan, heh, the ebay seller decided to throw in a free minisd card and a case for my zipit because they lost the manual for it :-) |
| 18:15.11 | g1powermac | that made me quite happy :-) |
| 18:15.38 | GPSFan | g1powermac: good deal, the mini-sd will come in handy. |
| 18:16.26 | g1powermac | yup, thats what I thought |
| 18:16.42 | g1powermac | not sure what size it is, but as long as its half way decent size, it should work |
| 18:22.48 | g1powermac | while I'm waiting for my zipit to arrive, I've been looking into seeing how to bring qtopia to the zipit |
| 18:26.31 | GPSFan | g1powermac: have you any experience with OE? |
| 18:27.03 | g1powermac | nope, not really |
| 18:28.55 | GPSFan | ah, very steep learning curve. also things seem to change randomly, and what used to build yesterday doesn't today. ask T0mW, he bought a whole new desktop just to do OE builds (which tend to take a loooooooong time) |
| 18:29.14 | g1powermac | hmm |
| 18:29.35 | GPSFan | there may even be some Qt stuff in buildroot. |
| 18:30.16 | g1powermac | was actually planning on getting qtopia running on the zipit via the simple minisd card loading procedure and not doing an entire OS replacement |
| 18:30.28 | g1powermac | like how the terminal was setup |
| 18:30.41 | g1powermac | though I have no clue of the feasibility of doing it that way |
| 18:31.17 | GPSFan | ah, there are no librarys in the zipit build. the main zipit app is statically linked. |
| 18:31.39 | g1powermac | hmm |
| 18:32.21 | g1powermac | so I'm guessing it wouldn't be possible to do it the way i was thinking? |
| 18:32.25 | GPSFan | the environment with just the zipit app running is very crude, system wise. |
| 18:32.59 | g1powermac | oh |
| 18:34.02 | g1powermac | hmmm |
| 18:34.15 | g1powermac | needs to do more research on what qtopia needs. . . |
| 18:34.48 | g1powermac | I know it could prolly be statically linked and such and it does provide in and of itself a pretty decent base system |
| 18:35.10 | GPSFan | anyway, when you get your z2 you can poke around and find out what's what. it's a lot of fun (for a while, then you realize how much needs to be done to make it a general purpose box.) |
| 18:36.04 | g1powermac | hmm |
| 18:36.47 | GPSFan | you might also check out the #zipit irc archives, to see what other folks have been working on. |
| 18:37.38 | g1powermac | k |
| 18:43.25 | g1powermac | interesting, there's a yahoo group? |
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| 18:49.25 | GPSFan | yeah, it was started years ago for the z1, that's where I releases OpenZipit/ |
| 18:49.35 | g1powermac | ahh |
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| 18:53.46 | g1powermac | well, I'm gonna play with building a qtopia image for a bit, see how it works on this debian system I'm using for it |
| 19:36.58 | g1powermac | ponders when T0mW will be on |
| 19:37.20 | g1powermac | would love to ask him about the graphics stuff |
| 19:39.34 | RobotGuy | They are not on as much as others here, |
| 19:40.00 | g1powermac | k |
| 19:40.20 | g1powermac | hmm. . . |
| 19:40.30 | g1powermac | got an interesting idea. . . |
| 19:40.58 | g1powermac | I wonder how hard it would be to get unionfs working on the zipit |
| 19:41.41 | g1powermac | with unionfs we could possibly build a much more feature filled base system without actually booting off the minisd |
| 19:42.31 | g1powermac | would be able to overlay the bigger base system from sd card over the smaller system in the zipit |
| 19:43.53 | g1powermac | and unionfs does it all in ram |
| 19:44.20 | g1powermac | now the bigger question is can unionfs be built as a module and not a patch. . . |
| 19:47.52 | g1powermac | hmmm, the ebay seller has another zipit 2 that they opened and was wondering if I or someone else might want it. . . |
| 19:48.19 | g1powermac | wonder how much he/she wants for it. . . |
| 19:50.43 | g1powermac | if i can get it for cheap, I'll do what T0mW was going to do to the bricked one he had |
| 19:52.32 | g1powermac | ie, rip everything off the main board to find jtag pins |
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| 19:59.52 | g1powermac | bah, seller wants the same amount, i can't spend that much |
| 20:01.13 | g1powermac | thought I'd atleast get a buy get one half price thing ;-) |
| 20:36.42 | SpeedEvil | Offer half |
| 20:36.47 | SpeedEvil | you never know |
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| 23:32.40 | g1powermac_PB | roxfan: where did you find that blob supports serial over usb? |
| 23:33.37 | g1powermac_PB | trying to determine if there would be any payback on doing a custom pcb to bring out the usb port on the zipit so I could hook it up to a computer |
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| 23:41.52 | GPSFan | g1powermac_PB: usb_serial support is in the blob source, and it appears to be enabled in the zipit patch. |
| 23:42.40 | g1powermac_PB | GPSFan: interesting, so it would be fruitful to make a simple pcb that will bring out the usb port |
| 23:43.56 | GPSFan | g1powermac_PB: or just buy one of the connectors for the rear. they are fairly cheap and available from digikey (or mouser, I forget) |
| 23:44.38 | g1powermac_PB | oh, yea, could get the cable version and do a dirty usb port hookup |
| 23:45.51 | GPSFan | unfortunately the string "usb" does not appear in the blob binary that I extracted from my z2. ;>( |
| 23:46.15 | g1powermac_PB | hrmm |
| 23:46.37 | GPSFan | but I can't believe that zipit doesn't have a way to access either jtag or a serial port for blob. |
| 23:47.02 | g1powermac_PB | thats odd though if they didn't remove the usb stuff using the patch |
| 23:48.00 | GPSFan | a good excercise for the sutdent is to build blob with zipit's patches, and compare the binaries. |
| 23:48.16 | g1powermac_PB | hmm, not a bad idea |
| 23:49.15 | GPSFan | gpl implies tha the binary you ship has to be recreatable from the source you provide. |