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| 12:05.10 | flameman | hi |
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| 12:10.51 | flameman | is somebody using rb532 ? |
| 12:13.47 | flyback | OPPPS FORGOT i WAS STILL in this channel when I did a /amsg |
| 12:13.47 | flyback | sorry |
| 12:25.46 | key2 | hey |
| 12:25.52 | key2 | anyone has experiances with uClinux ? |
| 12:26.05 | T0mW | key2: long time ago, yes |
| 12:26.24 | key2 | T0mW: do you know how much RAM I need on my ARM to be able to run a uClinux ? |
| 12:27.31 | T0mW | probably could get away with 2Meg, if you do everything as excute in place. IOW, the ROM filesystem stays in ROM and you do not copy it into a RAM disk. |
| 12:28.12 | T0mW | There is always the issue of memory fragmentation with uClinux though. |
| 12:28.33 | chouimat|busy | morning |
| 12:28.35 | key2 | T0mW: I only have 4Mb |
| 12:28.43 | key2 | T0mW: so I have chances to run it ? |
| 12:29.22 | T0mW | without an MMU to consolidate the chunks of memory that gets freed up, you have to be very careful about malloc() and free() usage (or never free your alloc'ed memory) |
| 12:32.17 | T0mW | key2: sure, you have to be very very careful as to how you build out the system, but yes, you can run uClinux inside 2Meg. |
| 12:32.57 | T0mW | key2: now, this is my experiences from about 6 years ago with uClinux. |
| 12:33.06 | key2 | ok |
| 12:33.17 | key2 | also, uClinux is not a RTOS is it ? |
| 12:33.27 | T0mW | I don't think that much of the technical issues have changed since then |
| 12:33.51 | T0mW | key2: the question is always how deterministic does your realtime have to be. |
| 12:35.04 | key2 | to be honest, for the moment I dont care |
| 12:35.28 | key2 | I have an AD6720 from Analog Device, it has an ARM7TDMI inside, and an ADSP218X dsp |
| 12:35.35 | T0mW | key2: Linux is a multi-tasking kernel and you would have latency issues with any multi-tasking kernel. |
| 12:35.50 | key2 | what am trying to do for the moment is just get a shell |
| 12:36.05 | T0mW | key2: heh |
| 12:36.30 | key2 | T0mW: to compile the uClinux for it, do I have to have info such as Addresses ? |
| 12:36.48 | T0mW | key2: that is most of the battle. You can bring up a kernel with just a serial port for debugging purposes. |
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| 12:37.37 | key2 | T0mW: then I guess I need a boot loader ? |
| 12:37.44 | T0mW | key2: right, your kernel memory does need to be mapped out properly. |
| 12:38.14 | key2 | T0mW: for using uClinux, I need a boot loader ? can I use uboot ? |
| 12:39.11 | T0mW | key2: not really, boot loader only conditions the system slightly, mostly sets the clock speed, setup the (S)DRAM controller, then copies the kernel into RAM and executes it. I would suggest you start out with that approach before you attempt to run the kernel directly from ROM. |
| 12:39.26 | T0mW | key2: IMHO, uboot is overkill |
| 12:40.29 | T0mW | key2: however, if it works use it, a bootloader should not occupy more than 32K of ROM. Bootup of a ROM system is a very simple task. |
| 12:40.52 | key2 | T0mW: so basically, once I have the source of uClinux, and I compile it getting read of all the module I don't need, what do I obtain ? an ELF ? |
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| 12:42.20 | T0mW | key2: Aside from setting clock speed, conditioning the SDRAM controller, the bootloader will also set any ATAG vars which are passed to the ARM kernel. The ATAG vars are unique to an ARM kernel. |
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| 12:42.54 | key2 | T0mW: so I don't need any boot loader ? |
| 12:43.15 | T0mW | key2: well, not elf, no linux kernel is "elf". They are binary images. |
| 12:43.46 | key2 | T0mW: so this binary image, if I upload it directly from the serial port at boot on the ARM |
| 12:43.50 | key2 | it should run ? |
| 12:44.13 | T0mW | key2: you need something to start the system, if not a formal bootloader like redboot, apex or uboot. Something that will get things going from a cold start. |
| 12:44.39 | key2 | T0mW: so even if I put the binary on the ROM, it won't start ? |
| 12:45.18 | T0mW | key2: I am not familiar with your dev system, I think that you have a dev board that has a ROM monitor of some type that allows for upload + execution of ARM code? |
| 12:46.13 | key2 | T0mW: basically I have a GSM module with AT command |
| 12:46.38 | key2 | T0mW: this GSM module has an AD6720 (ARM7TDMI) + ROM + RAM |
| 12:48.02 | key2 | T0mW: when you said 2Meg should be ok, you meant 2MByte or 2MegBits ? |
| 12:48.35 | T0mW | key2: You have to understand how an operating system boots up. No operating system is capable for starting the system. Control is handed to the operating system kernel (whether windows, msdos or linux) by some other boot code. The boot code gets the system "started", then the kernel takes over from the basic system and continues the process of bringing up the rest of the hardware. Normally, any kernel does not set the basic system hardwar |
| 12:48.35 | T0mW | e: essentially the cpu clock speed and RAM controller. |
| 12:48.45 | key2 | I have 4MByte of ROM and 1MByte of ram |
| 12:48.56 | key2 | which is 32Mb of rom + 8Mb of ram ;) |
| 12:49.57 | key2 | T0mW: ok so I need a boot loader, and I have to find one for ARM7TDMI ;) |
| 12:50.01 | T0mW | key2: that is really tight, I doubt that you can get more than just a kernel running and get a bash prompt. You might get a directory listing and some other simple tasks, if you use Busybox as your core. |
| 12:50.22 | key2 | T0mW: I don't need more |
| 12:50.43 | key2 | T0mW: all I need is to have a minimalistic kernel |
| 12:51.00 | T0mW | key2: there is a mailing list for uClinux, you should subscribe to that. |
| 12:52.17 | key2 | mmh ok |
| 12:52.19 | T0mW | key2: IMO, and this is my opinion, uClinux is nothing more than a curiosity. I have yet to find it to be a viable commercial solution. |
| 12:52.44 | key2 | T0mW: so what do you suggest as boot loader ? |
| 12:52.52 | T0mW | write your own |
| 12:53.10 | key2 | T0mW :) well since its arm7tdmi, i'd rather find one all made |
| 12:53.24 | T0mW | boot loaders can be very simply about 200 lines of assembly code. |
| 12:53.40 | T0mW | if that |
| 12:54.56 | T0mW | we are talking about booting from ROM, not booting from a hard drive or NAND media. |
| 12:56.30 | T0mW | key2: don't get me wrong. There are many concepts that you can learn from putting a uClinux system together. it is a worthy project. |
| 12:57.10 | key2 | k |
| 12:58.15 | T0mW | I had built a uClinux system, from scratch, using an MC68EZ328 processor running at 16MHz. I think it was capable of 7 BOGOMIPS ? |
| 12:58.37 | key2 | lol |
| 12:59.13 | T0mW | But, it did a credible job of running an 320x240 monochrome LCD and touch panel |
| 13:00.02 | T0mW | I did have to use two video framebuffers. One to display, the other to draw onto then switch the framebuffers |
| 13:00.28 | T0mW | otherwise, the graphics would "roll" onto the screen |
| 13:04.41 | T0mW | key2: your dev board should have come with a CDROM? Or, you could ask the vendor for one. That CDROM should have some boot source on it. |
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| 15:31.09 | chouimat|work | morning |
| 15:36.25 | flameman | hello |
| 15:39.31 | flameman | is somebody using the rb532 ? |
| 15:39.32 | flameman | :P |
| 15:39.33 | prpplague | chouimat|work: greetings |
| 15:39.49 | prpplague | flameman: rb532? |
| 15:39.57 | flameman | yes, it is an embedded board based on mips |
| 15:40.07 | flameman | routerboard rb532 |
| 15:40.19 | prpplague | flameman: probably not anyone here, might try the mips linux channel\ |
| 15:40.34 | flameman | ok, just asking here :P |
| 15:40.36 | flameman | :) |
| 15:40.40 | prpplague | np |
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| 15:46.08 | prpplague | hapchap: ho ho ho, merry freakin monday |
| 15:46.25 | prpplague | hapchap: looking at that sdio transfer issue now |
| 15:46.41 | prpplague | hapchap: close to stand still again on the M8000 without hardware |
| 15:47.02 | chouimat|work | prpplague: http://fitottawa.com/wordpress/wp-content/artic_troubles.jpg |
| 15:47.08 | prpplague | chouimat|busy: WS? |
| 15:47.19 | chouimat|work | yes |
| 15:47.51 | prpplague | chouimat|work: what's that? |
| 15:48.10 | chouimat|work | a few busses having a problem in a snow storm |
| 15:48.24 | prpplague | ahh |
| 15:48.41 | prpplague | chouimat|work: there in ottawa? |
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| 15:49.01 | chouimat|work | prpplague: this one is in gatineau but they are ottawa's busses |
| 15:49.13 | prpplague | ahh |
| 15:50.47 | chouimat|work | prpplague: the back of the bus has some problem of staying on the road when it too icy or snowy |
| 15:51.32 | prpplague | chouimat|work: which begs the question... why use those types of busses when they know its going be used in icy/snowy weather? |
| 15:52.31 | chouimat|work | prpplague: because you can "store" more people in them ... and yes I agree it stupid to use them in those conditions ... one was blocking Metcalf this morning ... |
| 16:06.22 | prpplague | shoot, i can't remember where i saw some 2mm to .1" adapters |
| 16:12.12 | chouimat|work | prpplague: last night in your dreams? |
| 16:12.21 | prpplague | probably |
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| 16:14.44 | prpplague | i could have sworn sparkfun had it |
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| 16:15.27 | prpplague | chouimat|work: guess i'll have to lay one out |
| 16:15.42 | prpplague | greetings Tokemi and marty_p |
| 16:16.10 | Tokemi | Hi hi! |
| 16:21.10 | adyer_ | prp like this: http://sthttp://store.mp3car.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=ADT-001ore.mp3car.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=ADT-001 ? |
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| 16:25.36 | prpplague | adyer_: that url seems a little mangled |
| 16:26.10 | adyer_ | lol i google notebook ide converter (most common 2mm to 0.1" application) |
| 16:26.32 | prpplague | adyer_: naw, i need a one to one conversion |
| 16:27.02 | adyer_ | for the first 40 pins it is 1-1, last 4 pins are power |
| 16:27.05 | prpplague | on second thought, i don't suppose it has to be |
| 16:27.32 | prpplague | hmm, |
| 16:38.18 | prpplague | adyer_: looks like the ground pins are all tied together |
| 16:38.26 | prpplague | adyer_: i'll have to cut those |
| 16:38.59 | adyer_ | you must have the expensive adapters, the cheap ones we have are 1-1 |
| 16:41.06 | prpplague | doh, they are on a ground plain, |
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| 17:25.53 | GPSFan | prpplague: ping.. just a reminder, i don't need anything besides the CSR BT dongle. Thanks again.. |
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| 17:42.02 | prpplague | GPSFan: okie dokie |
| 17:42.13 | prpplague | GPSFan: try to get that shipped today |
| 17:43.02 | prpplague | GPSFan: you doing any other hardware projects? or is it basically down to software? |
| 17:43.25 | prpplague | GPSFan: we sent a unit to landley, and he had lots of good suggestions on documentation |
| 17:44.48 | GPSFan | prpplague: not at the moment, in fact I'm not doing anything but a bit of Z2 investigations for the next few weeks. farm stuff overload. I read about that he got it in his dev-blog. |
| 17:44.49 | CosmicPenguin | heh - "suggestions" |
| 17:46.01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 17:46.11 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: indeed, but he is very insightful |
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| 17:59.21 | GPSFan | prpplague: don't know what his aversion to minicom, but it seems to make more work of the simple task of talking to the hammer serial port. |
| 18:00.01 | CosmicPenguin | minicom is the suck |
| 18:00.08 | adyer_ | agree |
| 18:00.11 | CosmicPenguin | but its all we have |
| 18:00.21 | CosmicPenguin | at least, its the easiest thing at hand |
| 18:00.37 | adyer_ | c-kermit? |
| 18:01.45 | adyer_ | at least you dont have to use 'hyperterm' for wiendows |
| 18:01.57 | CosmicPenguin | hyperterm is terrible |
| 18:02.04 | GPSFan | it sucketh not as badly as hyperterm or its ilk. |
| 18:02.05 | prpplague | GPSFan: ?? |
| 18:02.26 | CosmicPenguin | I'm not sure which distributions c-kermit is in - its not in Ubuntu |
| 18:02.35 | prpplague | GPSFan: you talking about landley? |
| 18:02.39 | GPSFan | yes |
| 18:02.43 | SpeedEvil | c-kermit may only be in really up-to-date distributions. |
| 18:02.47 | SpeedEvil | It's quite new :) |
| 18:02.58 | prpplague | GPSFan: how did you know he doesn't like minicom? |
| 18:03.09 | GPSFan | dec 2 blog entry |
| 18:03.19 | CosmicPenguin | SpeedEvil: version 8.0.211 released 10 april 2004 |
| 18:03.21 | CosmicPenguin | thats not new... :) |
| 18:03.25 | prpplague | GPSFan: ahh |
| 18:03.27 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80.html |
| 18:03.35 | SpeedEvil | CosmicPenguin: it's still being updated? Wacky |
| 18:03.46 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: and sold |
| 18:03.53 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: lots of people still buy licenses |
| 18:04.07 | CosmicPenguin | everybody should use tinyterm! |
| 18:04.09 | CosmicPenguin | oh, wait |
| 18:04.13 | CosmicPenguin | wrong koolaid |
| 18:04.19 | adyer_ | c-kermit is in communications/multiverse |
| 18:04.48 | CosmicPenguin | what is it named? |
| 18:05.05 | adyer_ | umm, ckermit :-) |
| 18:05.16 | CosmicPenguin | stupid dpkg and no dashes |
| 18:05.35 | adyer_ | synaptic search is your friend |
| 18:05.45 | CosmicPenguin | no part of synaptic is my friend |
| 18:05.56 | adyer_ | lol, works for me |
| 18:06.02 | chouimat|work | no part of debian based stuff is my friend |
| 18:06.33 | adyer_ | there's also a gkermit, but i've never used it |
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| 18:27.49 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 18:28.13 | LyosNorezel | bored, prpplague? |
| 18:28.32 | prpplague | LyosNorezel: frustrated |
| 18:28.47 | LyosNorezel | prpplague: why? |
| 18:29.22 | prpplague | LyosNorezel: our EE is jerking us around on getting prototype hardware |
| 18:29.45 | LyosNorezel | prpplague: lovely |
| 18:29.52 | prpplague | indeed |
| 18:30.31 | adyer_ | all EEs are bastards (points to self) |
| 18:30.37 | LyosNorezel | ROFL |
| 18:31.04 | LyosNorezel | so... EEs are the BOFHs of their field? |
| 18:32.09 | adyer_ | we can only dream to be that evil... |
| 18:32.18 | SpeedEvil | 'yes, it does sometimes electrocute people, is this a flaw?' |
| 18:32.44 | adyer_ | of course, nothing should be flaky like that |
| 18:32.57 | adyer_ | should work 100% |
| 18:35.07 | prpplague | it's just that this guy appears to be used to working at giant companies, he can't seem to make any decisions and he acts like he doesn't want to do any boards without them being perfect on the first try |
| 18:35.51 | SpeedEvil | that's not unreasonable on some boards. |
| 18:35.58 | prpplague | granted that its a good goal, but having a board that is 85% correct and can allow the rest of the developers to be working which he finishes the other 15% is better imho |
| 18:36.18 | SpeedEvil | If they are easy to test, and he's spending > NRE time on making it perfect, ... |
| 18:36.25 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: it is unreasonable imho when you have an 18 month dev cycle |
| 18:36.52 | SpeedEvil | if it's going to be a small run of very expensive boards, I can see arguments |
| 18:36.58 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: if he takes 14 months to do a board, that just leaves us 4 months to do the software |
| 18:37.19 | adyer_ | if he takes 14 mos you need a new guy |
| 18:37.24 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: indeed, but these are not expensive |
| 18:37.24 | SpeedEvil | very expensive - as in a substantial part of the profit is lost if you do multiple boards. |
| 18:37.34 | SpeedEvil | I'd agree. |
| 18:37.49 | adyer_ | (we work for cheap :-) |
| 18:37.50 | SpeedEvil | Even a sucky guy could do 1 board/month |
| 18:38.02 | SpeedEvil | it takes talent to screw up after 15 iterations. |
| 18:38.03 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: indeed |
| 18:38.05 | LyosNorezel | adyer_: lol |
| 18:38.17 | SpeedEvil | OTOH - is he working for free? |
| 18:38.25 | prpplague | uh no |
| 18:38.45 | SpeedEvil | Well, in that case, you tell him that you're paying him, and you get to set the rules. |
| 18:38.49 | adyer_ | speed it takes talent or an ever-moving spec |
| 18:38.59 | SpeedEvil | adyer_: that too. |
| 18:39.01 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: not my responsibility, thats the PHB's |
| 18:39.07 | SpeedEvil | Or parts becoming unavailable. |
| 18:39.23 | SpeedEvil | prpplague: is this tct? or is that part of another company? |
| 18:39.40 | SpeedEvil | On an unrelated topic. |
| 18:39.45 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/digi |
| 18:39.46 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: no, tct is another company |
| 18:39.50 | adyer_ | prp what is the board? |
| 18:40.11 | SpeedEvil | Is a selection of categories from digikey, sorted by price |
| 18:40.24 | SpeedEvil | tab seperated columns |
| 18:40.26 | prpplague | adyer_: i can say a whole lot, but its a s3c2440 based mobile device |
| 18:40.37 | SpeedEvil | prpplague: how many other devices? |
| 18:40.42 | SpeedEvil | actives |
| 18:40.55 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: i am sorry i do not understand your question |
| 18:41.03 | SpeedEvil | prpplague: how many other chips |
| 18:41.19 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: sorry still not understanding your question |
| 18:41.21 | SpeedEvil | And is this just PCB layout, or complete design from ground-up? |
| 18:41.39 | adyer_ | so like 6 layers, ram, SoC, flash, battery, SD card, LCD support, etc |
| 18:41.41 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: the EE is only responsible for the schematic |
| 18:41.47 | prpplague | adyer_: complete system |
| 18:43.24 | adyer_ | we haven't done samsung based, but similar systems with i.MX and MIPS, shouldn't take more than a couple of months for the first go-round |
| 18:43.37 | prpplague | adyer_: indeed |
| 18:44.27 | jwest-- | does anyone know a way to pull email addresses out of a web page 2 levels deep? |
| 18:44.27 | jwest-- | like craigslist |
| 18:44.35 | prpplague | adyer_: not like we haven't done this before |
| 18:44.48 | SpeedEvil | jwest--: wget |
| 18:44.52 | jwest-- | i need to capture it to one file then grep it |
| 18:44.52 | SpeedEvil | and grep |
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| 18:45.04 | prpplague | sjhill: greetings |
| 18:45.11 | jwest-- | ah |
| 18:46.11 | sjhill | howdy |
| 18:47.18 | sjhill | prpplague: no anybody who has some part-time embedded linux contracting |
| 18:47.28 | sjhill | prpplague: i need Christmas cash |
| 18:47.45 | prpplague | sjhill: sorry no, i'll ask around |
| 18:48.02 | sjhill | thx |
| 18:48.19 | prpplague | sjhill: male dance clubs not hiring for the xmas holiday? |
| 18:48.34 | LyosNorezel | that's cold... |
| 18:48.51 | sjhill | LyosNorezel: darn right it is, a g-string doesn't cover much |
| 18:48.56 | LyosNorezel | prpplague: I think, maybe, you missed your calling... |
| 18:48.56 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:48.59 | LyosNorezel | ROFL |
| 18:49.19 | prpplague | LyosNorezel: what calling would that be? |
| 18:49.27 | LyosNorezel | prpplague: BOFH |
| 18:49.30 | LyosNorezel | ;-P |
| 18:50.07 | prpplague | naw, just jokes with friends |
| 18:50.09 | chouimat|work | this is cool ... starting later this week I will spend 50% of my time on the server testing and 50% on the embedded devices |
| 18:50.22 | LyosNorezel | heh |
| 18:50.26 | prpplague | chouimat|work: good deal |
| 18:50.36 | sjhill | nice |
| 18:51.20 | prpplague | sjhill: Hammer board is picking up speed |
| 18:51.39 | prpplague | sjhill: probably going to take us another 2 or 3 months to really get all the docs and stuff where it needs to be |
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| 18:53.18 | MothaWork | SpeedEvil: as expensive as prototype boards can be, it generally dwarfs the losses in paying people to twiddle their thumbs if you attempt to get it 100% the first time (which you'll rarely succeede at anyway) |
| 18:53.42 | prpplague | MonMotha: indeed |
| 18:53.55 | MothaWork | It's VERY rare to pop open a commercial device and see a rev 1 |
| 18:54.11 | prpplague | figure the salaries for 4 developers with very little to do |
| 18:54.17 | MothaWork | and when you do, there's a good chance that there were several proto revs before that and they restarted the numbering :) |
| 18:54.28 | adyer_ | lol just start at rev -5 and increment from there :-) |
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| 18:54.51 | MothaWork | I generally take 2-3 revs to get something that's shippable |
| 18:54.57 | MothaWork | depends on how much the specs change |
| 18:55.10 | MothaWork | my rev 1s do usually work ~90% |
| 18:55.18 | MothaWork | possibly with some green wiring |
| 18:55.37 | MothaWork | and of course the inevitable component swaps due to dropping/adding zeros and such :) |
| 18:55.46 | MothaWork | Oh, I wanted a 250k resistor there, not a 2.5 |
| 18:55.58 | MothaWork | (noticed after it literally started smoking) |
| 18:56.14 | prpplague | indeed, which is why we've been pushing this guy to get a rev1 of the board out |
| 18:56.39 | adyer_ | black, brown, red, orange ah screw it... |
| 18:56.40 | MothaWork | prpplague: yeah, and giving the software guys some real hardware to target is a big deal, too |
| 18:56.46 | MothaWork | there's a limit to what you can do on dev kits |
| 18:57.47 | chouimat|work | MothaWork: or on the emulator is you're lucky to have access to one |
| 18:58.08 | MothaWork | chouimat|busy: indeed |
| 18:58.31 | MothaWork | now if only I knew what was wrong with this variac |
| 18:58.44 | MothaWork | hard to test my power supply when the test equipment is on the fritz... |
| 18:58.56 | sjhill | $239 |
| 18:58.58 | sjhill | hmm |
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| 19:00.41 | prpplague | sjhill: ?? |
| 19:00.53 | chouimat|work | MothaWork: last contract I did with the fruitcake in Quebec city it took me 14 months to have access to a device at home so I could work ... before that I had to use the prototype board 700 km away ... was a pain in the ... I had to call the guy eveytime I wanted to flash a new version of the firmware and I won't even talk what happened when I brick the board etc etc |
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| 19:04.17 | chouimat|work | prpplague: btw this morning I stop at mc donald's to get some breakfast and one guy in front of me needed 6 attemps to ask for sugar correctly in english ... at one point it sounded like sucker ... just to prove you that they don't teach english correctly in Quebec |
| 19:05.03 | sjhill | prpplague: the hammer board |
| 19:05.15 | prpplague | sjhill: oh for the kit, yea |
| 19:06.11 | prpplague | sjhill: thinking of getting one? |
| 19:06.16 | chouimat|work | prpplague: not bad |
| 19:06.28 | sjhill | prpplague: i'm just trying to see what i would do with it |
| 19:06.41 | adyer_ | prp how is samsung to deal with? when we were looking distis told us to stay away for small volume stuff. |
| 19:06.48 | prpplague | chouimat|work: yea, well, not exactly like they teach english properly here |
| 19:07.10 | prpplague | chouimat|work: 99% of the time i can't understand the people who work at mcdonalds here |
| 19:07.58 | prpplague | adyer_: yea small volume stuff for samsung is pain, we had some troubles when we first started using them for our protos a few years back |
| 19:08.19 | prpplague | adyer_: but our volumes are high enough that we get good pricing and deliverability |
| 19:09.12 | chouimat|work | prpplague: the guy was a customers ... he probably guessed that "sucre" (french for sugar) was behaving like centre or metre so he said "sucker" |
| 19:09.50 | prpplague | chouimat|work: indeed, i was just saying that the problem is on the other side of the counter in the US |
| 19:10.22 | chouimat|work | prpplague: what do you want in da coffee? |
| 19:11.33 | prpplague | chouimat|work: more like this: duyawannasumcremrugerwidthat? |
| 19:11.44 | chouimat|work | hehe |
| 19:14.53 | prpplague | sjhill: basically a mini linux system |
| 19:15.06 | prpplague | sjhill: the most interest we;ve had so far is from robotics groups |
| 19:15.13 | chouimat|work | prpplague: any ide on it? |
| 19:15.27 | prpplague | sjhill: strangely enough, almost all of our orders have been outside the US |
| 19:15.49 | prpplague | chouimat|work: no, but there is no reason you couldn't use a usb->ide/ata adapter |
| 19:16.19 | chouimat|work | prpplague: ok it would have been fun to build a small nas with it :) |
| 19:16.42 | prpplague | chouimat|work: yea, you could do that pretty easy, the only issue is that its just a 12mb usb connection |
| 19:16.52 | prpplague | chouimat|work: other than that it would work well |
| 19:17.16 | chouimat|work | prpplague: I might order one in january ... |
| 19:17.29 | prpplague | chouimat|work: okie dokie |
| 19:18.58 | chouimat|work | prpplague: no network? |
| 19:19.21 | prpplague | chouimat|work: you can use either a usb->ethernet dongle or a enc28j60 module |
| 19:19.44 | chouimat|work | cool |
| 19:20.05 | prpplague | chouimat|work: thats the beauty of the design, just about any usb device that is supported under linux works on the hammer |
| 19:20.24 | chouimat|work | prpplague: so usb->ethernet and usb drive ... nice |
| 19:20.42 | prpplague | chouimat|work: bluetooth, zigbee, gps, ethernet, audio, harddrives, mass storage, web cam |
| 19:21.16 | chouimat|work | prpplague: might be cool to show to the boss here in a few weeks/month ;) |
| 19:21.17 | prpplague | chouimat|work: iirc GPSFan even had a usb voip phone plugged into his hammer board |
| 19:23.11 | prpplague | depending on the sales of the Hammer, we have two other boards ready to go into production |
| 19:23.50 | prpplague | a SledgeHammer, which has 80 pins and the Hammer-LP which is a low power version of the Hammer designed to run on two AA's |
| 19:24.19 | prpplague | http://www.elinux.org/SledgeHammer_Board |
| 19:24.36 | prpplague | T0mW actually has one of the very early proto's of the sledgehamemr |
| 19:25.35 | ds2 | ;) |
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| 19:36.16 | SpeedEvil | don't forget - 2 USB host ports, not one |
| 19:36.25 | SpeedEvil | which helps a little with bandwidth in some cases |
| 19:37.37 | SpeedEvil | 3 if you use a SPI-USB port :) but that's probably silly. |
| 19:37.44 | SpeedEvil | and would involve writing a driver |
| 19:38.20 | ds2 | proper power mgnt!! |
| 19:38.47 | SpeedEvil | prpplague: what's the problem with PM on the Hammer - it can't do 'slow mode' ? |
| 19:39.03 | chouimat|work | SpeedEvil: true but the idea was in the category "yes we can do it but it will never be an actual product" |
| 19:43.32 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: just add a 4-port hub |
| 19:43.40 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: no problem doing that |
| 19:43.45 | SpeedEvil | that doesn't address bandwidth though |
| 19:43.59 | SpeedEvil | sharing stuff over the 2 ports can a little |
| 19:44.29 | ds2 | unless I misunderstood, the hammer can't go down to the sub 1mA sleep modes |
| 19:44.34 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: indeed, but i doubt you are going to have bandwidth issues, the cpu can't process the data that fast anyway |
| 19:44.43 | SpeedEvil | Umm, sure it can. |
| 19:44.46 | SpeedEvil | It can't do much to it |
| 19:44.59 | SpeedEvil | but it can - for example - write 2M/second to SD |
| 19:45.04 | prpplague | SpeedEvil / ds2 the hammer doesn't bring out the VddAlive signal, therefor it can not do a true suspend |
| 19:45.07 | SpeedEvil | (I assume - based on the neo) |
| 19:45.32 | SpeedEvil | prpplague: can it do the lowish power 'slow mode' - which is on the order of 50mW |
| 19:45.39 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: indeed, but that is a 4 bit sdio interface |
| 19:46.03 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: no, the current kernel doesn't support slow mode |
| 19:46.07 | SpeedEvil | oh - right, the pins aren't all brought out |
| 19:46.19 | ds2 | 50mW is like a power geyser! |
| 19:46.26 | ds2 | 50mW or 50mA? |
| 19:46.34 | SpeedEvil | from memory mA |
| 19:46.43 | SpeedEvil | it's lots better than running at full speed. |
| 19:46.45 | ds2 | mA is even worse |
| 19:46.53 | SpeedEvil | but it's nowhere near what you'd want suspended |
| 19:46.55 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 19:46.55 | ds2 | *nod* but unless you have wall outlets... |
| 19:46.56 | SpeedEvil | I mean mW |
| 19:46.58 | prpplague | ds2: you can do a psuedo suspend and turn off most everything and drop the current down to around 45mA |
| 19:47.38 | ds2 | <-- prefers to get days of lifetime out of AAA's (like the original palms) |
| 19:47.38 | prpplague | actually thats not a bad idea, i'll have a look and see if can patch that up |
| 19:48.07 | prpplague | ds2: you could run the hammer at a lower clock |
| 19:48.22 | ds2 | it may be more advance then the typical hobbiest user but the same thing can be said about SMT (yes, I realize hammer is in a DIP40 for this very reason) |
| 19:48.24 | prpplague | ds2: run it at say 66.5mhz instead of 202.5 |
| 19:48.26 | chouimat|work | ds2: find a 33Mhz arm :) |
| 19:48.53 | ds2 | prpplague: yes; I tried it on a PXA (the Zaurus) and it was a dramatic difference in power utilization |
| 19:48.58 | prpplague | chouimat|work: no need, just run the hammer at 33 |
| 19:49.04 | ds2 | the battery meter hardly moved when I was typing on it |
| 19:49.06 | chouimat|work | cool |
| 19:49.14 | SpeedEvil | Ah yes |
| 19:49.16 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_GTA01_Power_Management |
| 19:49.21 | prpplague | <ds2> it may be more advance then the typical hobbiest user but the same thing can be said about SMT (yes, I realize hammer is in a DIP40 for this very reason) |
| 19:49.31 | prpplague | i'm sorry i didn't understand that |
| 19:49.37 | prpplague | ds2: explain |
| 19:49.53 | ds2 | just saying, power management should be just as important |
| 19:50.14 | chouimat|work | prpplague: btw I like the name of the jtag board |
| 19:50.15 | ds2 | not too long ago, SMT was not for hobby users... think we are at a similar phase with power management |
| 19:51.07 | prpplague | ds2: ok, guess i've not had enough coffee, SMT is what? |
| 19:51.15 | ds2 | Surface Mount Technology |
| 19:51.48 | prpplague | ds2: ahh ok, thats what i thought, jsut wanted to make sure we were on the same page |
| 19:51.55 | ds2 | =) |
| 19:52.21 | prpplague | ds2: yea, about 3 years ago PM was really being tested and developed by open source projects such as the zaurus and ipaqs |
| 19:52.41 | prpplague | ds2: its fairly robust now, but alot of hobbists aren't familiar with it |
| 19:53.13 | prpplague | ds2: infact most development boards for both pxa2xx and s3c24xx don't even implment it |
| 19:53.18 | ds2 | prpplague: yes, that is true; but it seems like this is considered an afterthought for a lot of things |
| 19:53.28 | ds2 | exactly |
| 19:53.51 | prpplague | ds2: even the documentation for implementing it is not there |
| 19:54.08 | prpplague | ds2: it took us two revs of our original s3c2410 board to figure out all the quirks |
| 19:54.12 | ds2 | even going back to when I was in school, there was always a constant whisper about PM in various forms (that was in those 8bit stuff) |
| 19:54.32 | SpeedEvil | prpplague: I can't seem to find any numbers on current power consumption for the Hammer. |
| 19:54.34 | ds2 | prpplague: oh. Hmm |
| 19:54.40 | SpeedEvil | Is it out there? |
| 19:54.46 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: typical is 120mA |
| 19:55.08 | ds2 | i really wish all the nuts and greenies out here are more consistant... push PM instead of all that other crap ;) |
| 19:55.24 | SpeedEvil | 120@3.3? |
| 19:55.28 | prpplague | http://www.elinux.org/Hammer_Board |
| 19:55.36 | prpplague | 120mA@5v |
| 19:56.00 | SpeedEvil | Interesting. The neo at 100Mhz - with everything else off - uses about 90mA @ 4V |
| 19:56.23 | prpplague | the neo is running at 100Mhz? |
| 19:56.23 | SpeedEvil | So it (not unsurprisingly) seems in the same ballpark. |
| 19:56.26 | prpplague | are sure of that? |
| 19:56.28 | SpeedEvil | it was when I tested it |
| 19:56.35 | SpeedEvil | there is a u-boot option |
| 19:56.59 | SpeedEvil | I was seeing how low I could get it in a state where it'd play MP3 |
| 19:57.04 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: ahh |
| 19:57.20 | SpeedEvil | I got to 8h ish at low volume |
| 19:57.23 | ds2 | 4V => 4 NiMH AA's, 2800mAH each...that's 31 hours if it was prefectly efficent in regulating and assuming no other use and nothing else |
| 19:57.35 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: well running at 100Mhz, and just the basic items running, i would expect you to be around 80-90mA |
| 19:57.46 | SpeedEvil | annoyingly the PMU is very granular - 0.3V |
| 19:57.54 | SpeedEvil | so I couldn't play properly with undervolting. |
| 19:58.07 | SpeedEvil | 1.8 is - according to older datasheets - in spec at 100Mhz |
| 19:58.15 | SpeedEvil | 1.5 almost works |
| 19:58.35 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: the TPS63000 can run the hammer on two standard recharge AA's for about 4 hours |
| 19:58.38 | SpeedEvil | the CPU is reliable - md5sums come out OK, but USB and audio fall over. |
| 19:59.08 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: yea, thats because the clock's for those probably need to be readjusted |
| 19:59.18 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: both have sperate PLL's |
| 19:59.21 | SpeedEvil | I'm not sure. |
| 19:59.28 | SpeedEvil | I think it may be the PLL running out of voltage |
| 20:00.12 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: oh, the neo must not have a buck/booster |
| 20:00.17 | SpeedEvil | prpplague: are you sure about that number? 2.8*1.2*2 = 6Whish /4 = 1.5 |
| 20:00.26 | SpeedEvil | yes, it does |
| 20:00.32 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 20:00.36 | SpeedEvil | =300mA |
| 20:00.39 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: am i sure about what? |
| 20:00.49 | SpeedEvil | 4h on 2 AA NiMH |
| 20:00.57 | ds2 | it is a real buck regulator (vs linear to down convert and switching to boost) |
| 20:01.00 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 20:01.33 | ds2 | and how bad of an efficiency is that reg |
| 20:01.34 | SpeedEvil | the main CPU regulator is a switching one. There are additional low-current linear regulators, but they are not used in significant ways |
| 20:02.35 | SpeedEvil | or ratehr - for significant current. |
| 20:03.19 | prpplague | two 2200mAh at 2.4v |
| 20:04.02 | prpplague | with the hammer drawing right at 80mA |
| 20:04.25 | prpplague | that is 80mA at 3.3v |
| 20:04.47 | ds2 | prpplague: what converts the 3.3V to the Vcore voltage, a switcher? |
| 20:05.22 | SpeedEvil | well - if the supply has 80% efficiency, the 4h figure indicates that the reg would be outputting 1.1W |
| 20:05.35 | prpplague | ds2: on the regulare Hammer its and ldo |
| 20:05.38 | SpeedEvil | which is rather larger than 240mW |
| 20:05.54 | SpeedEvil | Are you sure teh AAs were charged properly? |
| 20:06.20 | ds2 | so there is room to knock it down a 10-20mA if the LDO is swapped out |
| 20:06.31 | ds2 | donno if the complexity is justified |
| 20:06.44 | ds2 | SpeedEvil: maybe their cutoff voltage is too high? |
| 20:06.48 | SpeedEvil | perhaps. |
| 20:06.52 | SpeedEvil | Something's wrong. |
| 20:07.09 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: it wasn't a be-all/end-all test, it was just very basic test, so no, i'm not 100% sure |
| 20:07.12 | SpeedEvil | I'd have hoped for >>15 hours |
| 20:07.53 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: well remember this is full speed, no suspend |
| 20:08.14 | SpeedEvil | yes - but if it was 80mA at 3.3V, that's 250mW or so |
| 20:08.22 | SpeedEvil | the batteries have 5Wh or so |
| 20:08.30 | ds2 | and do those figures include an LCD (and backlight?) |
| 20:08.30 | SpeedEvil | so you should get on the order of 20h |
| 20:08.38 | SpeedEvil | (this is talking of the hammer) |
| 20:09.00 | SpeedEvil | ds2: the earlier figure I quited for the neo were with backlight and LCD off) |
| 20:09.15 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: the only thing i can think of is that the TPS63000 was improperly configured, i'll redo the test later this week |
| 20:10.42 | SpeedEvil | If the magnetics are right, the datasheet indicates >>80% should be doable. |
| 20:11.36 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: i'm thinking i might have some bad batteries, these have been used around the office some |
| 20:12.07 | ds2 | prpplague: find a charger that will do a capacity test? |
| 20:12.38 | prpplague | ds2: we have that here |
| 20:13.12 | prpplague | you guys have to remember, hammer stuff is done as time is available, not always at the top of the list of things |
| 20:13.57 | CosmicPenguin | thats not the open source way |
| 20:13.57 | SpeedEvil | oh - yes, I'm not saying it should be done right now. I was just saying that the result is surprising. |
| 20:14.17 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ? |
| 20:15.19 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: now see this is what i use with my hammer board - http://www.batteryspace.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=2013 |
| 20:15.52 | ds2 | that is understood... but that makes for great conversation ;) |
| 20:16.45 | SpeedEvil | prpplague: I think I'd go with 2*14500 lithiums |
| 20:18.25 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: just because of the size of the packaging? |
| 20:18.33 | SpeedEvil | and lightness |
| 20:18.40 | SpeedEvil | and quite decent energy |
| 20:18.52 | SpeedEvil | though 10440 are popular too |
| 20:19.02 | SpeedEvil | (AA/AAA) |
| 20:19.42 | ds2 | aren't those unprotected cells? |
| 20:19.47 | prpplague | yea |
| 20:19.48 | SpeedEvil | some are. |
| 20:20.00 | SpeedEvil | actually, I think all are |
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| 20:42.25 | CosmicPenguin | groklaw makes me laugh - their agenda is always so transparent |
| 20:45.09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: indeed, i really don't read their commentary that much, i just like the resources for documents |
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| 21:53.48 | prpplague | jbevren: have you ever run the "frodo" c64 emulator? |
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| 22:09.07 | SpeedEvil | Anyone happen to know where the eeePC might be discussed? |
| 22:09.19 | SpeedEvil | I have a camera that also seems to be used in it |
| 22:11.10 | prpplague | not i |
| 22:11.40 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: everywhere i've been they've been sold out |
| 22:12.18 | ds2 | prpplague: I think there are a least 3 places around here that have them instock ;) |
| 22:12.44 | prpplague | doesn;t help me much, hehe |
| 22:13.11 | ds2 | now if you move out here... }:-) |
| 22:13.59 | SpeedEvil | I'm astonished on how well my PII/300 laptop stacks up against the eeepc |
| 22:14.21 | SpeedEvil | 80Gb hard drive, wifi, bluetooth, 8h battery, 1.1Kg |
| 22:14.35 | SpeedEvil | (Ok, I added the bluetooth and wifi myself, internally, but still. |
| 22:14.45 | ds2 | what lpatop is that? |
| 22:14.47 | ds2 | laptop |
| 22:14.57 | SpeedEvil | toshiba 3110CT |
| 22:15.11 | ds2 | is that the descendant of the liberetto 50? |
| 22:15.11 | SpeedEvil | (I also re-celled the battery to get that battery life.) |
| 22:15.18 | SpeedEvil | dunno |
| 22:15.48 | prpplague | i love the liberetto, but the keyboard is too small to be really usable |
| 22:16.05 | prpplague | ds2: i actually gutted my libretto and shoved a s3c2410 board inside |
| 22:16.09 | ds2 | not a fan of the HP200LX either? ;) |
| 22:16.22 | ds2 | prpplague: isn't that a downgrade? }:-) |
| 22:16.45 | prpplague | ds2: no, a downgrade would be putting a geode in it |
| 22:16.50 | SpeedEvil | http://www.ciao.co.uk/Toshiba_Portege_3110CT__17232 |
| 22:17.04 | ds2 | heh |
| 22:17.21 | ds2 | I would like a liberetto sized system with a C7 in it |
| 22:18.30 | prpplague | ds2: the vtech laptops hacked with a s3c2410 are the best though |
| 22:18.35 | prpplague | ds2: very lightweight |
| 22:18.41 | SpeedEvil | vtech? |
| 22:19.10 | ds2 | prpplague: How's that compare to a Nokia N810? |
| 22:19.20 | prpplague | http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2449554 |
| 22:19.41 | prpplague | ds2: how does what comapre to the nokia N810? |
| 22:19.52 | ds2 | prpplague: the upgraded vtech vs the N810 |
| 22:20.07 | prpplague | oh, i don't know the specs for the N810 |
| 22:20.15 | ds2 | think I've seen the v-tech in the stores, they are huge ;) |
| 22:20.35 | prpplague | ds2: but the hacked colorblast is a 320x240 tft , and basically the same specs as the hammer |
| 22:20.36 | ds2 | N810 is a 2420 + 128M SDRAM + camera + WiFi + BT |
| 22:20.50 | prpplague | ds2: i'm using a sdio wifi card |
| 22:20.53 | prpplague | ds2: no bt |
| 22:21.00 | ds2 | prpplague: which SDIO wifi card? |
| 22:21.07 | prpplague | ds2: 64mb sdram 64mb flash |
| 22:21.18 | prpplague | ds2: the zcomax XG-180 |
| 22:21.41 | ds2 | that almost sound like the older Nokia 770 with the 64M ram... I took that on a trip and it was running out of memory all the time |
| 22:22.30 | prpplague | ds2: never have a problem with mine, but i basically just use it to access the net |
| 22:22.31 | ds2 | prpplague: is that stock opensource driver or your stuff that you signed away an arm and leg to get to work? |
| 22:22.33 | SpeedEvil | oh - right prpplague: is that a 'display in fake surround' thing? |
| 22:22.46 | prpplague | ds2: stock libertas now |
| 22:22.53 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: yea |
| 22:23.44 | ds2 | prpplague: what browser are you using on it? the mozilla based one on the 770 is pretty much unuseable - open a page in the browser and I can't start a game of tetris |
| 22:24.12 | prpplague | ds2: dillo |
| 22:24.26 | ds2 | ah. no wonder |
| 22:24.36 | ds2 | libXt is amazing =) |
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| 22:25.07 | ds2 | prpplague:how well do the buttons scale in a 320x240 display? |
| 22:25.50 | prpplague | ds2: well alot of dillo was designed to work well we the familar and other ipaq distro's so it works pretty well |
| 22:26.22 | ds2 | oh... i should try that sometime.. only used it on a desktop |
| 22:26.31 | ds2 | prpplague: any gotchas with compiling on ARM? |
| 22:26.42 | prpplague | ds2: check out GPE |
| 22:26.44 | prpplague | ds2: none |
| 22:27.04 | ds2 | this is the same GPE that is available on OpenZaurus? |
| 22:27.37 | prpplague | somewhat, there is a running battle between handhelds.org and the gpe founders |
| 22:27.38 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague is recommending GPE? |
| 22:27.53 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: why? i've always loved gpe |
| 22:28.28 | prpplague | ds2: http://www.linuxtogo.org/gpe/gpe-project |
| 22:28.34 | prpplague | ds2: don't use the one at hh.o |
| 22:28.44 | prpplague | ds2: imho its not properly maintained |
| 22:28.56 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: why would you think i didn't like gpe? |
| 22:29.22 | ds2 | I donno about the entire setup.. I prefer to pull components I want |
| 22:29.37 | ds2 | and having an alternative to the miminmo stuff is NICE |
| 22:30.07 | ds2 | was already playing with w3m but if graphics is available... |
| 22:30.34 | prpplague | ds2: totally usable by itself |
| 22:31.22 | ds2 | prpplague: have they gotten SSL working inside of it yet? (old versions seem to want to use wget to handle that) |
| 22:31.50 | prpplague | ds2: don't know, i don't use anything with ssl at the momment from that device |
| 22:34.54 | prpplague | ds2: been awhile since i looked, seems they have a mini-browser now - http://gpe.linuxtogo.org/projects/gpe-mini-browser.shtml |
| 22:35.34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i need to get GPE up and running on the hammer |
| 22:36.08 | ds2 | that answers that... "broken SSL support" |
| 22:39.02 | ds2 | prpplague: I don't suppose you have looked at that router that flyback was clamoring about? |
| 22:39.22 | prpplague | ds2: no, been very busy |
| 22:39.37 | prpplague | ds2: don't even recall him pointing one out |
| 22:39.58 | ds2 | prpplague: geeks.com has (had?) them for about $12 w/what appears to be a USB host port |
| 22:40.16 | prpplague | hmm, don't recal |
| 22:40.31 | ds2 | tempting to turn that into a bluetooth access point |
| 22:41.44 | prpplague | url? |
| 22:41.48 | ds2 | one sec |
| 22:42.25 | ds2 | http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=IS050T&cpc=SCH |
| 22:42.51 | ds2 | there is a USB A socket behind the covering in the back and what appears to be a CF (PCMCIA?) set of pads on the board itself |
| 22:43.05 | prpplague | more than likely its a ppc or mips device |
| 22:43.27 | prpplague | any pics of the pcb? |
| 22:43.45 | ds2 | trying to find that other page where the guy started looking at it |
| 22:44.35 | prpplague | http://www.starsurplus.com/viewitem.lasso?i=IS050T |
| 22:44.55 | ds2 | http://forum.openwrt.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2265 |
| 22:45.00 | ds2 | there is a link to the official FCC pix |
| 22:45.01 | adyer_ | if it's anything like my cheapo router it has like 4M of ram and a small serial flash with vxworks |
| 22:47.03 | ds2 | adyer_: this one is suppose to be already running Linux |
| 22:47.09 | prpplague | yea i remember looking at that now |
| 22:47.14 | prpplague | its mips based iirc |
| 22:47.28 | adyer_ | hmm. looks like parallel flash, realtek net chip, but never heard of 'SD' as a vendor for the soc |
| 22:47.42 | ds2 | its priced like the webpals but if the USB host works, it would be a lot more useful |
| 22:48.27 | ds2 | and I could really use a semipermeant gateway for bluetooth |
| 22:49.20 | ds2 | the page where they guy was looking at it is gone |
| 22:49.31 | adyer_ | maybe it has one of the chinese 'godson' mips knockoffs fro a core... |
| 22:50.14 | ds2 | heh |
| 22:51.31 | ds2 | the URL changed but this is what one guy got so far - |
| 22:51.35 | ds2 | http://www.docunext.com/blog/2007/07/21/can-this-router-run-linux/ |
| 22:51.46 | ds2 | be a fun xmas project ;) |
| 22:55.19 | prpplague | ds2: yea, i made a promise to myself ages ago to only take on projects that increase my skills in embedded systems |
| 22:55.50 | prpplague | ds2: although that router would be a fun exercise in reverse engineering, it holds little else as far as skills improvement for me |
| 22:56.34 | ds2 | the end results could be "useful" ;) |
| 22:57.15 | adyer_ | I was mostly interested in the parts, silicon data, inc. who knew :-) |
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| 23:57.42 | flyback | adyer_ |
| 23:57.48 | flyback | you see the router I found |
| 23:57.54 | flyback | the ineqsomerhing |
| 23:57.59 | flyback | oh |
| 23:58.03 | flyback | da gave you the link |
| 23:58.27 | adyer_ | yes |
| 23:58.49 | flyback | www.tekgems.com $11.99 |
