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| 01:35.20 | CosmicPenguin | man, its a cast iron bitch trying to get a new internet radio station on the 770 |
| 01:36.55 | ds2 | they provide a shoutcast receiver ? |
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| 01:41.54 | joe_bleau | Is the 770 the Nokia tablet that's been selling for around $130 recently? |
| 01:42.38 | CosmicPenguin | yeah |
| 01:43.39 | joe_bleau | I can't decide if I want to pull the trigger on one or not...what's your impression? Is it a decent deal? |
| 01:49.53 | CosmicPenguin | yeah |
| 01:51.01 | joe_bleau | Do you happen to know if it has IrDA? |
| 01:55.00 | ds2 | biggest drawback I see is it wants RS-MMC cards |
| 01:55.27 | MonMotha | what was that Atmel wifi chip that everybody wanted docs for? |
| 02:04.49 | CosmicPenguin | I don't think it has irda |
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| 13:38.15 | T0mW | wassup? |
| 13:39.53 | prpplague | T0mW: blood pressure, cholesteral, taxes, gas prices |
| 13:40.23 | T0mW | heh, too bad, all work and no play, eh? |
| 13:43.54 | T0mW | prpplague: I've got to go an replace a drive in a new server this afternoon. The IDE keeps crapping out and it may be a drive electronics lockup. |
| 13:44.51 | T0mW | prpplague: meanwhile, just trying to figure out how to juggle projects from two clients and keep them both happy. |
| 13:45.58 | prpplague | T0mW: yea thats a hard trick to do |
| 13:46.37 | T0mW | prpplague: one is paying 50% more than the other, but the lower rate job looks to be the long term one. |
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| 13:47.24 | prpplague | T0mW: how would you interpret this note |
| 13:47.57 | prpplague | T0mW: "NOTE: in Case of multi block, BLKSIZE should be divided by word(4 byte).(BLKSIZE[1:0]=00)" |
| 13:48.27 | prpplague | there is no formula example and that note seems a little vague to me |
| 13:49.45 | T0mW | to me it says that the blksize should be a count of 32bit words instead of 8bit words. e.g. 32K(8bit) == 8K(32bit) |
| 13:51.03 | T0mW | s/should be/should be specified as/ |
| 13:51.03 | prpplague | T0mW: actuall the value is just 12bits [11:0] |
| 13:51.03 | T0mW | k |
| 13:51.26 | T0mW | ooh |
| 13:51.32 | T0mW | it is vague |
| 13:51.43 | T0mW | contraditory even |
| 13:51.52 | prpplague | T0mW: well what i mean, is the register is a storage of a 12 bit value, it is a 32bit register |
| 13:51.54 | prpplague | yea |
| 13:53.06 | prpplague | T0mW: i'm guessing that it means the block should be a multiple of 32bit(4byte) |
| 13:53.07 | T0mW | it would make sense if you reworded it to say: "... BLKSIZE should be specified as words (4 bytes).(BLKSIZE[1:0]=00)" |
| 13:53.21 | T0mW | prpplague: I do too |
| 13:54.01 | T0mW | what is misleading is the "BLKSIZE[1:0]=00", I think they meant "A[1:0]==0" ?? |
| 13:54.52 | T0mW | prpplague: is this an exception case mode of operations? I mean, does it also do byte DMA xfers? |
| 13:55.21 | prpplague | T0mW: this is part of the actual sdio protocol host controller |
| 13:55.42 | T0mW | jinglish |
| 13:56.27 | prpplague | T0mW: the blksize question isn't related to the dma issue. the blksize is a register for the sdio controller on the s3c2410/s3c2440 |
| 13:56.39 | T0mW | chinese --> french --> japanese --> korean --> english |
| 13:57.02 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe, hehe still wasn't clear? |
| 13:58.19 | T0mW | BLKSIZE is a parameter to read/write commands? |
| 13:58.41 | T0mW | prpplague: read multiple, write multiple? |
| 14:00.45 | prpplague | T0mW: yea |
| 14:00.49 | T0mW | prpplague: well.... you have one of those cases that you will have to try it both ways (both assumptions) and see what the documentation really is calling for. In the Trade, we call this "experience" |
| 14:01.01 | prpplague | T0mW: bbiab, thanks |
| 14:01.13 | T0mW | prpplague: I leave about 12 |
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| 15:05.08 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ping |
| 15:05.28 | CosmicPenguin | pong |
| 15:05.51 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:07.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hey, you guys at AMD have a "Cafeteria Plan" for medical expenses and such? |
| 15:07.16 | prpplague | chouimat: greetings |
| 15:07.32 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: you mean a medical expense account? |
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| 15:08.11 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, irs calls it a "Cafeteria Plan" |
| 15:08.16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: but yea |
| 15:08.20 | CosmicPenguin | yeah - we have one |
| 15:08.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: do you use it? |
| 15:09.31 | CosmicPenguin | no |
| 15:09.43 | prpplague | hmm |
| 15:09.48 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: mind if i ask why? |
| 15:09.56 | CosmicPenguin | no need |
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| 15:11.06 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, not sure i need it as well |
| 15:11.15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: not sure i understand it either |
| 15:12.04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: do you itemize your federal taxes? |
| 15:12.12 | CosmicPenguin | yes |
| 15:12.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you generally have more than the standard deduction? |
| 15:12.54 | CosmicPenguin | yeah |
| 15:13.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i've never itemized |
| 15:14.09 | CosmicPenguin | You have house payments now, though, right? |
| 15:15.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, i know the interest is deductable |
| 15:15.39 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: is the property tax deductable too? |
| 15:15.59 | CosmicPenguin | yep |
| 15:16.35 | CosmicPenguin | any taxes you pay to anybody but the federal government are generally deductable |
| 15:16.51 | CosmicPenguin | cars, city, county, state, etc... |
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| 15:18.46 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm |
| 15:18.51 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: all too confusing |
| 15:21.23 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: not sure i'd have enough to itemize more than the standard deduction though |
| 15:21.29 | CosmicPenguin | yeah - you will |
| 15:22.04 | prpplague | i can't think of anything else to deduct other tha home mortgage interest and taxes |
| 15:22.20 | CosmicPenguin | I have a 200k mortgage at 5.5%, and even now thats enough to go over the standard deduction |
| 15:22.37 | CosmicPenguin | And I've had it for 3 years |
| 15:22.47 | prpplague | hmm |
| 15:23.04 | prpplague | guess i need to look at what my interest will be for 2007 |
| 15:23.11 | CosmicPenguin | easy enough to calculate |
| 15:23.15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: thanks for the info |
| 15:23.20 | CosmicPenguin | not a problem |
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| 16:25.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, i added up all the interest for 2007 and it was over the $10,700 that will be for a standard deduction |
| 16:26.37 | CosmicPenguin | rock on for you |
| 16:26.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: did you see my conversation with tomw? |
| 16:26.48 | CosmicPenguin | its probably on my system at home |
| 16:26.59 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea well tax stuff really really stresses me |
| 16:27.11 | prpplague | oh |
| 16:27.26 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: what do you make of this statement: |
| 16:27.40 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: "NOTE: in Case of multi block, BLKSIZE should be divided by word(4 byte).(BLKSIZE[1:0]=00)" |
| 16:29.27 | CosmicPenguin | heh - let me guess - SD? |
| 16:29.35 | prpplague | yea |
| 16:30.36 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm missing something on my implementation of cmd53 |
| 16:35.26 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: does that mean that if you are doing mutiple blocks, that the blocksize has to be a multiple of 32bits? |
| 16:45.01 | CosmicPenguin | I think so |
| 16:47.04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: samsungs docs on the sdio controller are very very vague |
| 16:47.33 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the cmd(53) doesn't seem to be initializing the fifo to receive data |
| 16:49.17 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm, my block size is 32bytes, does that mean i'm suppose to set the blocksize to the value of 8? (32/4) |
| 16:54.01 | CosmicPenguin | I don't know |
| 17:02.25 | prpplague | printk printk prinprintk printk prinprintk printk printk printk tk printk printk printk printk printk tk printk |
| 17:03.29 | prpplague | printk("your mama is a 0x%x\n", regval); |
| 17:06.29 | prpplague | printk("here is your stinking value: 0x%x\n", blksize); |
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| 17:21.33 | prpplague | Crofton: hey, how long did it take USCIS to do your citizenship background check? |
| 17:24.18 | Crofton | forever |
| 17:24.35 | Crofton | It was about 2.5 years or so to complete the process |
| 17:24.43 | prpplague | Crofton: lovely |
| 17:24.48 | Crofton | I'd have to check the paperwork to figure it out exactly |
| 17:25.09 | prpplague | Crofton: we are already getting ready to file the paper work in 2.5 years |
| 17:25.22 | Crofton | maybe it was 1.5 years |
| 17:25.24 | Crofton | I forget |
| 17:33.02 | ds2 | Mmmm Printk debugging |
| 17:33.10 | ds2 | prpplague: I take it you are not a kgdb fan? |
| 17:34.29 | prpplague | ds2: yea i like kgdb, but sometimes it takes longer to get setup for using kgdb than it would take to just add printks |
| 17:34.41 | prpplague | ds2: usually pretty good about using printk to find smaller problems |
| 17:35.32 | prpplague | ds2: plus i mainly use kgdb when i can't get accurate or timely info back from the driver |
| 17:36.32 | ds2 | oh Hmmmm |
| 17:37.08 | ds2 | yipee looks I get to learn about proc and the vfs this week :/ |
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| 19:46.12 | prpplague | hmm |
| 19:46.23 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: sdio runs fine in 1-bit mode, has problems with 4-bit |
| 19:46.28 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: get a kernel oops |
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| 19:57.42 | CosmicPenguin | I recall having problems with 4 bit too |
| 19:57.52 | CosmicPenguin | have you pinged Pierre about it? |
| 20:02.50 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, pierre isn't uptodate and doesn't act like he's interested in dealing with sdio issues atm |
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| 20:22.33 | cbrake | prpplague: so how is the Marvell code quality for their wifi drivers? |
| 20:23.32 | prpplague | cbrake: the api is nice, but the code stinks |
| 20:23.40 | prpplague | cbrake: they have some decent comments |
| 20:23.54 | prpplague | cbrake: but the actual low level sdio is very rough |
| 20:23.59 | cbrake | prpplague: so its not all horrible then. Better than I expected. |
| 20:24.07 | prpplague | cbrake: you were planning on using pxa? |
| 20:24.12 | cbrake | prpplague: yeah, SDIO is rough any way you cut it :-\ |
| 20:24.15 | prpplague | cbrake: no its not too bad |
| 20:24.33 | cbrake | prpplague: no, Atmel AT91SAM9260 |
| 20:24.58 | prpplague | cbrake: oh, then you'll have to write your own low level sdio interface for the controller |
| 20:25.05 | prpplague | cbrake: not too bad though |
| 20:25.14 | cbrake | prpplague: we'll probably end going SPI |
| 20:25.36 | prpplague | cbrake: i'm just having some problems with the 4-bit interface and some irqs |
| 20:25.41 | cbrake | prpplague: the (other OS) BSP for this part does not seem to support SDIO. |
| 20:26.00 | prpplague | cbrake: might as well go with the sdio, as long as you have some docs |
| 20:26.17 | prpplague | cbrake: the chip has an sdio controller right? |
| 20:26.20 | cbrake | prpplague: yes |
| 20:26.38 | prpplague | cbrake: should be able to shoe-horn sdio support into the marvell code |
| 20:26.43 | prpplague | cbrake: thats all i'm doing |
| 20:27.19 | cbrake | prpplague: I'll consider it once we get the code. We don't need the bandwidth, so if SPI is a lot easier that would be tempting. |
| 20:30.50 | prpplague | cbrake: naw, the GSPI would be about the same |
| 20:31.19 | prpplague | cbrake: if you just run at 1-bit sdio, you should be able to get up an running pretty quick |
| 20:34.06 | cbrake | prpplague: seems like a nice part at less than $10. I like the boot from nand functionality (I guess Samsung parts have that as well) |
| 20:34.35 | cbrake | prpplague: the atmel FAE told me they are going to die-shrink the 9260 and it will then run at 400MHz. |
| 20:36.18 | prpplague | cbrake: WOW |
| 20:36.24 | prpplague | cbrake: their documentation is great |
| 20:37.25 | cbrake | prpplague: yeah, I'm fairly impressed with the Atmel SAM stuff, and their AVR32 for that matter. |
| 20:37.31 | prpplague | cbrake: you should be able to get sdio working with no problems |
| 20:37.35 | cbrake | prpplague: someone there "gets it" |
| 20:37.40 | prpplague | cbrake: their register layout is pretty standard |
| 20:37.46 | cbrake | prpplague: good! |
| 20:38.50 | prpplague | cbrake: you will have do some work of course, but all the info is there |
| 20:39.31 | cbrake | prpplague: nod, I'll definitely consider it |
| 21:03.34 | ds2 | you just been abused by Marvell docs so much; most docs look great ;) |
| 21:04.09 | prpplague | ds2: no, actually its the samsung docs that are lacking, their sdio section is almost totally void of any information other than the register addresses |
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| 21:05.10 | Exiles | ds2, any mail yet? |
| 21:05.11 | ds2 | prpplague: what has changed to allow them to even mention sdio? |
| 21:05.26 | ds2 | Exiles: too busy to check... probally check it friday or thursday |
| 21:05.47 | Exiles | ok |
| 21:05.54 | prpplague | ds2: i guess the fact that the sdio brief summary is now available |
| 21:06.19 | ds2 | prpplague: is that the same as the mythical "sdio light" spec I heard about? |
| 21:06.27 | prpplague | yea |
| 21:06.42 | prpplague | ds2: not mythical, you can dl it from their website |
| 21:06.43 | ds2 | Exiles: It is a mail box - I check that about once a week |
| 21:06.51 | ds2 | I see |
| 21:07.41 | prpplague | ds2: its pretty darn detailed |
| 21:08.24 | ds2 | prpplague: but can one do real work with the light spec? Or does one have to be come SD consortum members to be licensed the patents? |
| 21:09.07 | prpplague | ds2: yea you can implement the sdio with the "light spec" as you call it |
| 21:09.22 | ds2 | Hmmm |
| 21:09.35 | prpplague | ds2: the main problem is that for most sdio devices, you need their specs as well |
| 21:09.47 | ds2 | prpplague: I thought you were arguing it wasn't enough info the last time we talked about it (few months back) |
| 21:10.00 | prpplague | ds2: so unless you have both, it doesn't do you any good |
| 21:10.11 | prpplague | ds2: the spec by itself isn't |
| 21:10.29 | prpplague | ds2: you need both the spec for sdio AND the spec for the device you are implementing |
| 21:11.17 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ? |
| 21:11.20 | CosmicPenguin | Just fixed a huge X bug |
| 21:11.23 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: cool |
| 21:11.37 | CosmicPenguin | remotely too |
| 21:11.38 | Exiles | I'm Automating my fishtank |
| 21:11.54 | prpplague | ds2: the sdio spec tells you how to make a "phone call" , it doesn't tell you what to say on the "phone" to the person at the other end |
| 21:12.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: thanks |
| 21:12.41 | ds2 | prpplague: hmmmmm so the light spec does give me enough information to make a bit bang SDIO driver? |
| 21:12.57 | prpplague | yea |
| 21:13.06 | prpplague | ds2: or simply use a sdio controller |
| 21:13.19 | prpplague | ds2: which most soc's have these days |
| 21:13.25 | ds2 | I think last time I was thinking of a bit bang driver on the juicebox |
| 21:13.35 | ds2 | and you said that is impossible |
| 21:13.38 | prpplague | ds2: sdio? why? |
| 21:14.05 | prpplague | ds2: to what end? |
| 21:14.12 | ds2 | prpplague: in the hopes that one day I may gaze upon the sacred text of a SDIO WiFi card spec |
| 21:14.38 | prpplague | ds2: is possible, just not feasable |
| 21:14.47 | prpplague | ds2: usb would be a better option |
| 21:14.53 | prpplague | ds2: but really, why bother |
| 21:14.55 | ds2 | bit bang USB? |
| 21:15.07 | prpplague | ds2: no, add a usb host controller |
| 21:15.11 | ds2 | Oh |
| 21:15.24 | ds2 | there is also the webpals... it would great if they can have WiFi |
| 21:16.04 | prpplague | ds2: there are plenty of isa based pcmcia cards out there |
| 21:16.11 | ds2 | if anything, a bitbang SDIO driver would be about as interesting as the bit bang USB driver some guy wrote for the small AVRs |
| 21:16.39 | ds2 | prpplague: you think it is easier getting an ISA PCMCIA controller onto the limited webpal ISA then getting bitbang SDIO? |
| 21:16.42 | prpplague | ds2: generally speaking, just about anything you can get for sdio, you can get spi |
| 21:16.51 | prpplague | ds2: oh yea |
| 21:16.54 | prpplague | ds2: much easier |
| 21:17.04 | ds2 | except SDIO versions are likely to be cheaper due to the volume |
| 21:17.11 | ds2 | Hmmm |
| 21:18.24 | prpplague | http://cgi.ebay.com/PCMCIA-Card-ISA-Adapter-ORiNOCO-Never-Used_W0QQitemZ190129530099QQihZ009QQcategoryZ3668QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 21:18.58 | ds2 | I have a Ricoh based PCMCIA ISA adapter; just didn't think the interrupt mappings will work nicely |
| 21:19.21 | prpplague | isa is isa is isa |
| 21:20.09 | ds2 | webpal isa is not full isa |
| 21:20.50 | prpplague | never had a problem with the webpal isa |
| 21:23.59 | ds2 | people were saying only certain ethernet cards worked |
| 21:24.01 | prpplague | hehe, there are still 4 or 5 stores down in the bahamas running webpals as PoS terminals |
| 21:24.26 | prpplague | ds2: thats because some ethernet cards have hardcoded ASM code for x86 |
| 21:25.00 | prpplague | ds2: on the card itself |
| 21:25.00 | ds2 | prpplague: I don't think that's the only reason... some NE2K clones don't work |
| 21:25.17 | ds2 | though i should try a genuine ne2k |
| 21:25.41 | prpplague | and i installed about 400 units |
| 21:26.04 | ds2 | there are threads on the bbs claiming otherwise |
| 21:26.17 | ds2 | but the clue level on the bbs is questionable |
| 21:26.31 | prpplague | hehe, there are also bbs threads that claim that the apollo 11 landing was faked |
| 21:27.10 | prpplague | ds2: no subsitute for doing things yourself |
| 21:27.33 | ds2 | there is a little issue of 'time' |
| 21:27.51 | ds2 | so short of thesedays, I'm looking into getting a roomba just to keep up with entropy :/ |
| 21:28.45 | ds2 | work I don't care about... it is everything else ;) |
| 21:28.58 | ds2 | worse they can do is fire me.... I have no options for the rest |
| 21:29.58 | ds2 | unemployment!! got to get back all that you paid |
| 21:35.27 | prpplague | uh nope |
| 21:35.55 | prpplague | unemployment would last me a whole week maybe |
| 21:37.15 | ds2 | that's it? think we get about 2-3 months of it |
| 21:37.54 | prpplague | ds2: no, i meant the amount of $$ for unemployment would only last me a week |
| 21:38.57 | prpplague | GPSFan: btw, i heard keller school district is purchasing some of those zipit's from that educational company |
| 21:41.03 | GPSFan | prpplague: keller S/D is where? |
| 21:43.00 | prpplague | GPSFan: just north of dallas/ft.worth |
| 21:43.13 | prpplague | GPSFan: considered one of the best schools in texas |
| 21:43.39 | GPSFan | prpplague: ah, maybe when they get them set up you'll have a look. |
| 21:44.37 | prpplague | GPSFan: doubt they'd let me in over there since my kids don't go there |
| 21:44.56 | prpplague | GPSFan: but it would be nice to see how well they work |
| 21:45.43 | GPSFan | indeed it would be interesting to see how they hold up in a real environment, with daily use/charging/abuse |
| 21:46.25 | ds2 | why don't someone talk to a chinese firm about making a clone of the zipit? |
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| 21:47.20 | prpplague | ds2: you volunteering? |
| 21:47.45 | ds2 | don't have contacts in consumer electronics manufacture |
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| 21:49.17 | prpplague | ds2: guess you answered why no one has done it then |
| 21:49.35 | ds2 | is that the only reason? |
| 21:50.58 | GPSFan | there are other reasons to avoid chineese connections. |
| 22:01.59 | prpplague | ds2: i would assume also the fact of $$$$$ |
| 22:03.37 | prpplague | PREP_CMD: Val of Cmd ptr =0xc0ba7008, command=0x3 |
| 22:03.45 | prpplague | hmm that just doesn't look right |
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| 23:56.39 | Exiles | zipit? |