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| 10:12.05 | MonMotha | mmm...beastish firmware |
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| 13:39.39 | prpplague | ho ho ho |
| 13:39.42 | prpplague | merry freakin monday |
| 13:48.18 | Crofton_ | ~quote scoxc |
| 13:48.21 | Crofton_ | ~quote scox |
| 13:48.41 | prpplague | Crofton_: fun fun |
| 13:48.55 | prpplague | Crofton_ we'll see how its doing tomorrow after todays hearing |
| 13:49.44 | Crofton_ | yeah |
| 13:49.50 | Crofton_ | I wanted to get the baseline |
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| 13:55.05 | SpaceMonkey | Hi guys, does anyone have any knowledge regarding MMC interfaces? I am currently trying to rewrite the DaVinci's MMC driver to get better write performance. Even if the performance cannot be removed perhaps I can reduce the massive system load using this driver causes. |
| 14:00.04 | SpaceMonkey | my my havent we been busy :) |
| 14:38.14 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey: the mmc interface is pretty well documented and specs are available on the net |
| 14:39.11 | SpaceMonkey | prpplague, I guess the problem Im having is a lack of understanding with Ti's implementation. Just as a figure though, do you have an estimate of the overhead of the MMCsubsystem? |
| 14:39.27 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey: should be very very low |
| 14:39.47 | SpaceMonkey | For example im seeing it add 20% CPU load . |
| 14:40.10 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey: that sounds extremely excessive |
| 14:40.27 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey: the s3c2410 only bumps about 1% when running at 206mhz |
| 14:40.28 | SpaceMonkey | prpplague: it looks like its a really bad driver. I know it dosent do DMA writes. |
| 14:40.52 | SpaceMonkey | Also it appears to write single block at a time. This could be causing all sorts of havoc with the kernel |
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| 14:48.16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: greetings |
| 14:48.45 | CosmicPenguin | hello |
| 14:50.44 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: heard any rumors of ibm layoffs there in your area? |
| 14:51.16 | CosmicPenguin | Since its such a big site, every time there are layoffs announced then it gets discussed here - especially on the news |
| 14:51.31 | CosmicPenguin | But I don't think anybody has really come out and said anything solid |
| 14:52.30 | wmat | didn't IBM just post like 1500 new job postings |
| 14:52.50 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i keep hearing they are cutting alot of the network services division |
| 14:53.21 | wmat | sorry, make that 15000 |
| 14:54.18 | wmat | oh wait, rumours only |
| 15:17.30 | prpplague | GPSFan: hey! you see the linuxdevices.com post? |
| 15:17.58 | wmat | i saw that today |
| 15:18.04 | wmat | thought of you guys ;) |
| 15:18.39 | prpplague | wmat: yea, whats funny is that aeronix put up a big stink about us hacking the zipit |
| 15:18.51 | prpplague | wmat: now they are using the community source |
| 15:18.58 | wmat | figures eh |
| 15:19.44 | wmat | maybe it will help companies come to the realization that they can extend the life of their products this way |
| 15:19.55 | prpplague | yea, i've just recently heard rumors that aeronix is planning a second model adding similiar features as tomw's addon board |
| 15:20.03 | prpplague | wmat: oh i doubt that |
| 15:20.11 | prpplague | wmat: aeronix ceo is a real ass |
| 15:20.35 | wmat | prpplague: we should ensure the code gets released |
| 15:20.45 | prpplague | wmat: http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT9615263220.html |
| 15:20.53 | prpplague | wmat: yea like thats gonna happen |
| 15:21.02 | prpplague | wmat: aeronix already has a track record |
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| 15:22.00 | prpplague | wmat: i'd still like to get zipit in an oem format for integration as a barcode scanner |
| 15:22.18 | wmat | prpplague: well, given gleixners recent writings and speakings about the poor participation of the vendors in the elinux community, perhaps it's time an example was outed more publically |
| 15:22.41 | wmat | with full opportunity for the aeronix guys to do the right thing |
| 15:23.01 | prpplague | wmat: yea, problem is, most of are too busy to go on a crusade |
| 15:23.19 | prpplague | wmat: which is why companies like aeronix can get away with their style of business |
| 15:24.45 | wmat | prpplague: i have a few other things to get worked out in the short term (i.e. a possible career change) but i'd definitely like to look into this one more closely and potentially publicize it as necessary |
| 15:25.16 | wmat | prpplague: we are hoping to launch the elinux.org wiki more publically at OLS, so this would provide good discussion fodder |
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| 15:25.55 | prpplague | wmat: career change? waste disposal engineer on the list? |
| 15:26.17 | wmat | prpplague: i wish, those guys got it made |
| 15:26.37 | prpplague | wmat: out of the computer biz? |
| 15:26.55 | wmat | nah, something more embedded specific related |
| 15:27.21 | prpplague | wmat: ahh |
| 15:34.08 | prpplague | hmm, i don't see the zipit on sale anywhere |
| 15:35.16 | wmat | maybe LearningSoft bought them all |
| 15:35.58 | wmat | prpplague: you're nick isn't reg'd on freenode? |
| 15:36.25 | prpplague | wmat: yea its registered |
| 15:36.41 | wmat | heh, sorry, it was me it was complaining about |
| 15:36.43 | wmat | heh |
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| 15:37.21 | wmat | stupid netsplits kill nickserv's knowledge of me |
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| 15:48.14 | prpplague | wmat: were you trying to message me or something? |
| 15:53.38 | prpplague | woah - http://www.pcliquidations.com/item.asp?id=2080 |
| 15:57.01 | pierrelux | prpplague: cheap ? why ? |
| 15:57.43 | prpplague | pierrelux: yea, half price, but they are out of stock |
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| 15:58.42 | pierrelux | I'd like to get one of these... |
| 15:59.10 | pierrelux | great little device for a robot |
| 15:59.19 | prpplague | pierrelux: it appears they aren't being openly sold anymore |
| 16:00.20 | pierrelux | yea, that's why the "half price" doesn't make much sense |
| 16:03.51 | GPSFan | prpplague: the zipit one? yeah.. thats not the first time taht's been posted. |
| 16:04.12 | prpplague | GPSFan: ahh, thats the first time i'd seen it |
| 16:04.26 | prpplague | GPSFan: where are they selling zipits now? |
| 16:04.29 | prpplague | GPSFan: i don't see them online anywhere |
| 16:04.41 | GPSFan | prpplague: IIRC it was about 6 months ago thet I saw it. |
| 16:04.58 | GPSFan | prpplague: I saw some at CC a few months ago. |
| 16:05.18 | GPSFan | and of course e-bay. |
| 16:05.41 | prpplague | GPSFan: i still wish aeronix would have been interested in an oem version |
| 16:06.10 | pierrelux | last time I saw a Zipit was in summer 2005 in a Bestbuy store |
| 16:06.15 | prpplague | GPSFan: indeed cc still has some - http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/K-Byte-Zipit-Wireless-Messenger-ZIPITCHARCOAL/sem/rpsm/oid/138050/catOid/-15589/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do |
| 16:06.46 | GPSFan | wow, $50 isn't bad. |
| 16:07.13 | prpplague | GPSFan: imaging that with a barcode scanner |
| 16:07.48 | GPSFan | is that a serial interface? |
| 16:08.58 | prpplague | GPSFan: they have rs-232 decoded available |
| 16:09.18 | prpplague | GPSFan: they are about $5 more expensive than non-decoded |
| 16:10.57 | GPSFan | prpplague: ?? decoded ?? |
| 16:21.12 | ds2 | morning |
| 16:23.37 | wmat | prpplague: i was, but it wasn't important |
| 16:23.37 | wmat | so did you find anything interesting at Toys R Us? |
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| 17:19.19 | sjhill | wmat: i wish i would have found some Hot Wheels i've been looking for |
| 17:38.54 | wmat | sjhill: there's hackable hotwheels out there now? |
| 17:44.56 | sjhill | heh |
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| 17:50.50 | Spacemonkey | yo |
| 17:58.26 | ds2 | for most boards, are the JTAG's chained together for all the chips or is it more common to have seperate jtags for each chip? (trying to devise a way to figure out where JTAG pads are) |
| 18:01.31 | Spacemonkey | I have a quick question:- |
| 18:01.46 | pierrelux | talking about JTAG... I'm also trying to find JTAG pads on this board http://pierreluc.aqra.ca/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/00010.jpg |
| 18:02.51 | Spacemonkey | I have just completed an experiment on a Davinci board, I found its MMC/SD card drivers were pretty lame, managing around 3-4mbit/s and using loads of CPU while doing it. I have just tried a USB MMC/SD (multicar) reader and achieved over 20mbit/s. |
| 18:03.18 | Spacemonkey | has anoyone else found this? It might be easier to use a mass storage device than play with crap drivers! |
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| 18:45.30 | prpplague | GPSFan: ping |
| 18:45.42 | prpplague | Crofton_: ping |
| 18:46.55 | prpplague | pierrelux: what board is that? |
| 18:47.19 | ds2 | prpplague: any luck scronging a TVnow? |
| 18:47.28 | prpplague | ds2: naw, been to busy with other stuff |
| 18:48.22 | Crofton|laptop | pong |
| 18:48.58 | pierrelux | prpplague: it's from a Snap Server 4100... pretty common hardware in it |
| 18:49.24 | prpplague | Crofton|laptop: hey the boss is getting ready to go into production of an arm9 board, you got any spare cycles to do code/projects/docs in exchange for hardware? |
| 18:49.27 | pierrelux | but the retail firmware... sucks |
| 18:49.36 | prpplague | pierrelux: that didn't tell me a thing |
| 18:49.51 | ds2 | when can we buy it? =) |
| 18:49.55 | prpplague | pierrelux: what processor? |
| 18:50.02 | pierrelux | x86 |
| 18:50.05 | prpplague | ds2: soon, less than 45 days |
| 18:50.12 | Crofton|laptop | maybe |
| 18:50.25 | Crofton|laptop | depends on what you need, and how our symposium goes |
| 18:50.28 | prpplague | pierrelux: not too many x86 systems include jtag |
| 18:50.30 | ds2 | and will it have more copper in oops jumpers then on the board itself ;) |
| 18:50.31 | pierrelux | I'd like to install a custom Linux distro in it |
| 18:50.45 | pierrelux | yeah, I know... |
| 18:50.46 | prpplague | ds2: uh no |
| 18:51.03 | prpplague | Crofton|laptop: mainly just contributions to the wiki |
| 18:51.13 | prpplague | Crofton|laptop: howtos and such |
| 18:51.14 | pierrelux | some people say that the connector that looks like an IDE port is actually an ISP port |
| 18:51.25 | pierrelux | "ISP port" |
| 18:51.28 | Crofton|laptop | hmm, I suck at writing ... |
| 18:51.39 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:51.41 | Crofton|laptop | if I didn't suck I would have finished my degree :) |
| 18:51.50 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:51.52 | Crofton|laptop | what kind of howtos |
| 18:51.53 | Crofton|laptop | yeah |
| 18:51.57 | Crofton|laptop | that may be best |
| 18:52.05 | ds2 | bah degrees |
| 18:52.10 | Crofton|laptop | the next month may be crazy, I have a couple f otehr things going on |
| 18:52.21 | prpplague | Crofton|laptop: more or less just like the wiki pages for the zipit and stuff like that |
| 18:52.23 | Crofton|laptop | but keep talking |
| 18:52.26 | Crofton|laptop | ok |
| 18:52.34 | Crofton|laptop | I need to look over the elinux web page some |
| 18:52.43 | Crofton|laptop | and try and get a few more dv guys interested |
| 19:02.20 | prpplague | CP|too: you up for some device hacking or are you too busy with XO? |
| 19:22.40 | ds2 | crosstools! |
| 19:23.52 | prpplague | ds2: buildroot |
| 19:24.46 | ds2 | assemble rootfs by hand or w/your own scripts under a crosstool enviroment! |
| 19:25.12 | ds2 | have I ever mention I have java? |
| 19:27.08 | prpplague | ds2: or use buildroot |
| 19:27.34 | ds2 | having used both, I rather do it by hand =) |
| 19:27.51 | prpplague | ds2: why? |
| 19:28.03 | ds2 | level of control |
| 19:28.31 | prpplague | ds2: what aspect of control can you not have with buildroot? |
| 19:28.37 | ds2 | i prefer things to error out instead of downloading stuff automatically |
| 19:28.59 | prpplague | ds2: explain |
| 19:29.24 | ds2 | sometimes people do not bother changing the names of files for download when they update them |
| 19:29.37 | ds2 | this leads to "interesting" surprises |
| 19:29.58 | ds2 | so I prefer to have the original tarballs checked in somewhere and go from there |
| 19:30.31 | ds2 | then there are stuff that just won't run happily |
| 19:30.37 | ds2 | i.e. perl |
| 19:31.38 | prpplague | ds2: hmm, i've never had any problems with that, i even have local repo's for all our builds |
| 19:31.52 | ds2 | maybe it is the way the gumstix folks did it |
| 19:32.21 | ds2 | when I did the appliance builds by hand, it was a lot more controlled then the gumstix build root setup |
| 19:33.46 | prpplague | ds2: oh, yea, gumstix build sucks |
| 19:34.17 | ds2 | guess that's why I have a bad taste in my mouth with buildroot |
| 19:35.10 | prpplague | yea, that build is terrible, the gumstix people never even tried merging their stuff back into the main build |
| 19:35.46 | ds2 | if the dev kit for your board uses build root... |
| 19:35.54 | prpplague | ds2: yea it does |
| 19:36.13 | ds2 | and is it downloadable (when it is released)? or is that a $20K/year option? =) |
| 19:36.18 | prpplague | ds2: as soon as i get the ok, i'll be merging the build back into buildroot main tree |
| 19:36.30 | ds2 | oh cool |
| 19:36.45 | ds2 | if/when I get that board, I guess I'll give it a spin |
| 19:36.47 | prpplague | ds2: you can download the main buildroot now, you don't have to use gumstixs |
| 19:36.56 | prpplague | buildroot.busybox.net |
| 19:37.02 | ds2 | but I have no platform to test it against |
| 19:39.28 | ds2 | btw, I got the ARM ARM as a d/l |
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| 20:13.39 | prpplague | hehe, no one in #m68k |
| 20:15.09 | chouimat | hey prpplague |
| 20:17.38 | prpplague | chouimat: hey |
| 20:25.49 | ds2 | what's m68k thesedays? |
| 20:26.37 | prpplague | ds2: what? |
| 20:26.57 | ds2 | you were looking for m68K tools, right? |
| 20:27.05 | prpplague | yes |
| 20:27.10 | ds2 | so I was wondering what's using m68k thesedays |
| 20:27.16 | prpplague | ds2: nothing |
| 20:27.24 | chouimat | ds2: my old palm m125 :) |
| 20:27.25 | prpplague | ds2: no current products |
| 20:27.27 | ds2 | oh okie |
| 20:27.34 | chouimat | my old Amiga 500 |
| 20:27.56 | prpplague | ds2: we have a legacy product that uses a m68328, i need to make some legacy support utilities |
| 20:28.03 | ds2 | was so hoping you were going to say something about a QUICC hack ;) |
| 20:28.28 | prpplague | http://www.barcodemegastore.com/catalog/aml/m5000.htm |
| 20:28.30 | prpplague | QUICC? |
| 20:28.32 | ds2 | chouimat: neither of which can be described as "current" or "thesedays" |
| 20:29.00 | ds2 | yeah, one of the 683xx that has a ton of communications stuff on it... also available as a legacy Cisco 16xx router ;) |
| 20:30.00 | ds2 | 68360 |
| 20:30.36 | chouimat | ds2: I know ... but they are still in use ... like the place I used to work (until last fall) they still used a nice 486/32 MB of ram running FreeBSD 2.2.1 because it will cost too much porting the mission critical application that was running on it |
| 20:31.34 | ds2 | chouimat: but for legacy stuff, the toolchain should exists already (unless it got lost....) |
| 20:32.46 | prpplague | ds2: yea, buildroot already support m68k, jsut took about 3 minutes to build |
| 20:33.52 | ds2 | heh I see |
| 20:35.43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ping |
| 20:35.47 | CosmicPenguin | hello |
| 20:36.38 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hey, you have any extra time to tinker with an arm9 board? or are you backedup with the XO? |
| 20:37.08 | CosmicPenguin | backed up is putting it kindly |
| 20:37.12 | prpplague | hehe |
| 20:37.13 | prpplague | ok |
| 20:37.57 | CosmicPenguin | I appreciate the offer though |
| 20:37.58 | ds2 | are you running it on an x86 shell? ;) |
| 20:38.18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: np, anytime you are ready to tinker, just let me know |
| 20:38.36 | prpplague | ds2: on both hardware and a emulator |
| 20:38.54 | ds2 | prpplague: library/ld.so mismatch? |
| 20:39.11 | prpplague | ds2: no uclinux involved |
| 20:39.35 | ds2 | it happens even with glibc |
| 20:40.01 | prpplague | static app |
| 20:40.04 | ds2 | so call 'backward compatability' is a very bad joke |
| 20:40.12 | ds2 | what error? |
| 20:40.29 | prpplague | ds2: keeps jumping back to the reset vector |
| 20:40.45 | ds2 | Oh so this is a kernel, not a userspace thing? |
| 20:41.06 | prpplague | ds2: embedded application, no uclinux/linux involved |
| 20:41.12 | ds2 | OHHHHH |
| 20:41.53 | ds2 | its monday... you said ucLinux, I read ulibc :( |
| 20:44.50 | ds2 | maybe it is multifaulting? |
| 20:45.18 | prpplague | ds2: more likely an invalid instruction causing a error vector |
| 20:45.41 | prpplague | ds2: and since the error vector is undefined, its probably jumping to the reset vector |
| 20:45.46 | ds2 | thought the 68K had a seperate illegal inst. and a reset trap? |
| 20:46.00 | ds2 | oh, that's multifaulting, isn't it? |
| 20:46.11 | prpplague | ds2: i don't consider it a multifauly |
| 20:46.16 | prpplague | multifault |
| 20:46.25 | ds2 | what is a multifault in your definition? |
| 20:46.44 | prpplague | chouimat|away: later |
| 20:46.56 | ds2 | it is ONLY 1.... @#$!@#!@#@!#!@# :P |
| 20:47.15 | chouimat|away | prpplague: just a quick run to the beer Store under the rain |
| 20:47.40 | prpplague | chouimat|away: hehe |
| 20:47.42 | prpplague | http://www.barcodediscount.com/images/models/lg/AML/m5000.jpg |
| 20:47.49 | prpplague | i think thats a cute little device |
| 20:48.13 | ds2 | i like the symbol 1700 bettter ;) |
| 20:48.45 | prpplague | ds2: yea well the 5000 is 1/2 the cost and lasts weeks on 3 AA batteries |
| 20:49.15 | ds2 | yes, but I can't pop up a game of solitaire ;) |
| 20:49.31 | prpplague | ds2: hehe, yea, well thats kinda why business didn't like them |
| 20:51.49 | ds2 | =) |
| 20:55.31 | ds2 | prpplague: did anyone get anywhere further with the dicktracy watch on the elinux.org page? |
| 20:55.45 | prpplague | ds2: which model? |
| 20:56.09 | ds2 | there are more then one? let me look at it again |
| 20:56.30 | prpplague | ds2: there are several models, but the one i tinkered with was the fossil one |
| 20:56.47 | ds2 | that's the one |
| 20:56.56 | ds2 | did you get anywhere? |
| 20:57.00 | prpplague | ds2: i got uclinux to boot, but since the cost of the device was so high and they didn't sell many, i didn't didn't waste any more time on it |
| 20:57.13 | ds2 | oh I see |
| 20:57.29 | ds2 | are there any linux watches around, then? |
| 20:57.43 | prpplague | ds2: nothing that ships with linux |
| 20:57.55 | ds2 | what about can be hacked to run Linux? |
| 20:58.06 | prpplague | ds2: there are about 4 or 5 that can be |
| 20:58.37 | ds2 | got a list somewhere? feeling a bit geekish and my current watch is (literally) wearing out |
| 20:58.55 | SpaceMonkey | linux watch... *drool* |
| 20:59.43 | ds2 | timex watches takes a licking and keeps on ticking but abrasives and plastics just don't go together |
| 20:59.47 | prpplague | http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=MP4-NXV-WATCH-512-2&cpc=SCH |
| 21:00.11 | ds2 | someone figured out how to load the firmware on that? |
| 21:01.13 | prpplague | thats what i hear, just haven't had the time or money to tinker myself |
| 21:01.21 | ds2 | oh |
| 21:01.33 | SpaceMonkey | its not a particularly cool looking watch |
| 21:01.41 | ds2 | what's the keywords to search on that? MP4 watch is a bit broad |
| 21:02.15 | prpplague | http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=UW-F029&cpc=SCH |
| 21:02.35 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey: yea, i was considering hacking as a portable barcode scanner datacollection unit |
| 21:02.55 | SpaceMonkey | guys I updated the icons on the the wiki, you know the ones at the bottom of the page |
| 21:03.19 | SpaceMonkey | prpplague: would that make it look cooler? ;) |
| 21:03.57 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey: no, but it would make my paycheck bigger |
| 21:04.27 | SpaceMonkey | prpplauge: lol! does it just have to collect teh barcode data or process it? |
| 21:04.29 | ds2 | Hmmm OLED watch w/xpilot + a bar code scanner... Hmmmm ;) |
| 21:05.01 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey: some processing but not much |
| 21:05.14 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey: basically data type verification |
| 21:05.19 | SpaceMonkey | prpplague: Why not just use a micro? |
| 21:05.57 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey: features, its gotta interface with a pc |
| 21:06.15 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey: plus taking the time to "idiot proof" it would take longer with a micro |
| 21:06.24 | SpaceMonkey | I spoze, most of the costs are in the case too. |
| 21:06.51 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey: plastics usually don't cost much as your pay for the tooling |
| 21:06.57 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey: just the tooling is what costs |
| 21:07.09 | SpaceMonkey | prpplague: how many are you intending to make? |
| 21:07.10 | ds2 | but plastic requires a decent volume |
| 21:07.44 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey: we generally don't move on a product with less than 10k qty |
| 21:07.55 | SpaceMonkey | lol, ok, thats worth the tooling then |
| 21:08.34 | SpaceMonkey | Do you guys remember the Rexx? |
| 21:08.40 | ds2 | yep |
| 21:08.50 | ds2 | i want one just because... |
| 21:08.57 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey: thats why i'd still like to do a new version of the M5000, we still have all the tooling for the plastics and membrane keyboard |
| 21:09.23 | SpaceMonkey | M5000? PDA phone? |
| 21:09.54 | prpplague | http://www.barcodediscount.com/images/models/lg/AML/m5000.jpg |
| 21:10.09 | SpaceMonkey | excuse my ignorance! |
| 21:10.16 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey: hehe, np |
| 21:10.24 | SpaceMonkey | ace, Reminds me of those psion series 2's |
| 21:10.26 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey: i would not have expected you to know |
| 21:11.00 | SpaceMonkey | I have an M5000 SPV thing :) and linux on it. seemed relevant |
| 21:11.16 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey: ahh |
| 21:11.43 | SpaceMonkey | Regarding the Rexx, I just got for a couple quid the oregon scientific version of it (which is shite). And Iwas thinking a little linux pda in that form factor would be ace. |
| 21:12.01 | SpaceMonkey | prpplague: I guess you are big in barcodes |
| 21:12.04 | ds2 | the Rexx uses Z80 core.... |
| 21:12.09 | ds2 | ELKS? |
| 21:12.12 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey: it pays the bills |
| 21:12.20 | prpplague | ds2: uzix |
| 21:12.47 | SpaceMonkey | ds2: When was the last time you saw a rexx even on ebay tho. hard to find |
| 21:12.52 | prpplague | http://uzix.sourceforge.net/ |
| 21:13.06 | ds2 | SpaceMonkey: they are plentiful |
| 21:13.15 | SpaceMonkey | in europe? |
| 21:13.15 | ds2 | esp. REX3000's |
| 21:13.16 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey: save your quid, new arm9 board coming out soon, hehe |
| 21:13.26 | ds2 | local place was selling them for $20 each |
| 21:13.30 | SpaceMonkey | I have plenty of arm9's ;) |
| 21:13.51 | ds2 | i really want a Linux watch |
| 21:14.08 | prpplague | not like this one |
| 21:14.30 | SpaceMonkey | you could wear my MDA pro on your wrist |
| 21:15.06 | SpaceMonkey | would be like that guy in the abyss |
| 21:15.34 | ds2 | I said watch, not an exercise weight ;) |
| 21:15.35 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey: mda pro? |
| 21:16.02 | SpaceMonkey | its called lots of things, do a google image and you will recognise it |
| 21:16.14 | prpplague | looking now |
| 21:16.21 | ds2 | it should NOT be that hard to make one... a person at home can build a watch size device with a 16bit processor |
| 21:16.30 | ds2 | it is just the pin count kills things |
| 21:16.56 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey: interesting looking |
| 21:16.59 | SpaceMonkey | I did start designing a small pic powered watch, but coudnt find a nice screen |
| 21:17.22 | SpaceMonkey | prpplague: there is an OE project for it. there are a lot of peripherals to write drivers for tho |
| 21:17.32 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey: ahh |
| 21:17.55 | SpaceMonkey | did you catch my comment earlier about MMC speeds over mass-storage-device interfaces? |
| 21:17.58 | chouimat | hi |
| 21:18.22 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey: no |
| 21:19.06 | SpaceMonkey | prpplague: basically Ti Davinci drivers for SD and MMC suck majorly, like 3-4 mbit/s if you are lucky. I tested a multi-card reader over usb and got 21mbit/s |
| 21:19.43 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey: are they actually using a mmc/sd controller? |
| 21:19.48 | SpaceMonkey | I reckon instead of wasting time messing with the driver I might just add a card reader IC to the usb internally. A bit of a cheat though. |
| 21:20.06 | SpaceMonkey | prpplague: yeah but the driver is amazingly bad. it eats like 20% cpu |
| 21:20.18 | ds2 | sure it is not bitbang SPI mode? |
| 21:20.38 | SpaceMonkey | I dont think it is, I think the problem is that when it is serviced it only does a single block write. |
| 21:20.51 | SpaceMonkey | They didnt even DMA the write! |
| 21:21.02 | SpaceMonkey | Also 4 bit mode is slower than 1 bit mode! |
| 21:32.23 | SpaceMonkey | ping |
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| 21:40.04 | GPSFan | prpplague: pong.. sorry for the delay.... what's up? |
| 21:40.28 | prpplague | GPSFan: you up for some docs/projects in exchange for hardware? |
| 21:40.46 | GPSFan | prpplague: perhaps, specs on the HW? |
| 21:41.57 | prpplague | GPSFan: /msg me back |
| 21:47.01 | prpplague | wmat: ping |
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| 22:28.52 | g1powermac_PB | yo prpplague |
| 22:29.13 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: good news, the arm9 went into production this morning |
| 22:29.20 | g1powermac_PB | awesome |
| 22:29.52 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: still want one in exchange for docs and projects? |
| 22:30.16 | g1powermac_PB | sure |
| 22:30.37 | g1powermac_PB | only thing is I prolly won't be able to play with it till after back to school season |
| 22:30.51 | g1powermac_PB | which is about the second week in august for us |
| 22:31.07 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: bummer |
| 22:31.41 | g1powermac_PB | we're losing four of our workers at the end of the month, so we're incredibly short help atm |
| 22:32.09 | steliosk | prpplague : Any specs on the board ? |
| 22:32.52 | g1powermac_PB | we're quickly trying to hire more and train them before back to school, but there's no guarantee we'll have enough |
| 22:32.54 | prpplague | steliosk: i can give out too much info yet, but its arm9 200mhz, 32mb sdram, 16mb flash |
| 22:33.20 | steliosk | nice openembedded target :) |
| 22:33.47 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague doesn't do OE |
| 22:33.57 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: will waiting till august be a problem? |
| 22:34.38 | ds2 | 32M/16M only? |
| 22:35.16 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: it might, i'll have to check |
| 22:35.25 | g1powermac_PB | ok |
| 22:35.34 | prpplague | steliosk: you are welcome to do an oe target, but it will ship with buildroot |
| 22:36.07 | prpplague | ds2: yea, we might do one will more later, but after you see the board you'll understand why it is 32/16 |
| 22:36.34 | ds2 | prpplague: are there footprint compatible chips that can be swapped in? |
| 22:37.22 | ds2 | prpplague: did you ever mention a price for it? |
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| 22:38.47 | prpplague | ds2: $159 for a cpu board, and like $229 for a kit |
| 22:38.48 | ds2 | prpplague: is there going to be price breaks for 10 or 20 pack purchases? |
| 22:38.58 | prpplague | ds2: yea |
| 22:39.08 | ds2 | IIRC, you are using DIP40 instead of the gumstix hirose connectors |
| 22:39.19 | prpplague | yea |
| 22:39.27 | ds2 | I might know someone who would be interested as an alternative to the gumstix |
| 22:39.35 | prpplague | gotta head to the house, bbi5 |
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| 22:58.48 | prpplague | steliosk: we are looking to populate the wiki quickly with projects and how tos |
| 22:59.20 | prpplague | steliosk: about 8-12 units will go out as freebies in exchange for docs and projects |
| 23:00.57 | prpplague | ds2: what were you saying before i had to leave? |
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| 23:08.32 | prpplague | wmat: ping ping |
| 23:16.10 | prpplague | if i see that d-d-c/flameman again i'm gonna kick his ass for the mess he created on the dht-walnut page |
| 23:16.24 | GPSFan | prpplague: back.. |
| 23:16.36 | prpplague | GPSFan: okie dokie |
| 23:16.57 | prpplague | GPSFan: i;ve got the wiki page close to being back the way it was |
| 23:17.04 | prpplague | GPSFan: missing a bunch of the files |
| 23:17.43 | joe_bleau | prpplague: sounds like a plan. Why couldn't he have just added edits, instead of removing stuff? Grrr. |
| 23:18.10 | prpplague | joe_bleau: yea |
| 23:18.29 | prpplague | joe_bleau: if you have any of the files, it would be nice if we could replace them |
| 23:18.36 | prpplague | wmat has a backup |
| 23:18.51 | joe_bleau | I've had a hard drive crash since all that work. Besides, I think I did most of my edits online. |
| 23:19.11 | joe_bleau | Is it in the internet archive? |
| 23:19.19 | prpplague | negative |
| 23:22.05 | ds2 | prpplague: was saying, I might know someone who might be interested in it as an alternative to the gumstix |
| 23:22.22 | prpplague | ds2: ahh ok |
| 23:23.29 | ds2 | does it bluetooth? |
| 23:24.07 | prpplague | ds2: no reason you couldn't use a bluetooth usb dongle |
| 23:24.28 | ds2 | oh right yours have usb host... nice |
| 23:24.58 | ds2 | prpplague: when will official website/literature be available? |
| 23:25.14 | prpplague | ds2: i've not been the exact date yet |
| 23:25.22 | prpplague | ds2: 45-60 days i would expect |
| 23:25.42 | ds2 | oh no prelaunch stuff? |
| 23:26.06 | prpplague | prelaunch? |
| 23:26.30 | prpplague | that must be a silicon valley thing |
| 23:26.35 | GPSFan | prpplague: I'll look through my files and see if I have any of the missing files. |
| 23:26.56 | prpplague | GPSFan: thanks, you can see on the page the ones that are missing |
| 23:27.25 | prpplague | chouimat: you burn it all and give up? |
| 23:27.31 | prpplague | wmat: ping ping ping |
| 23:27.45 | ds2 | the usual month or weeks before the real launch hype where critics debate if it is vapor ware or not |
| 23:28.00 | prpplague | ds2: hehe, we don't do that |
| 23:28.17 | prpplague | ds2: if we annouced it, you can buy it |
| 23:28.39 | chouimat | prpplague: no just finish eating it :) |
| 23:29.00 | prpplague | chouimat: ramen ala chouimat ? |
| 23:29.22 | chouimat | prpplague: honey and garlic pasta with some pork chops |
| 23:29.31 | prpplague | chouimat: ramen ala chouimat ? |
| 23:29.40 | prpplague | chouimat: no need to lie |
| 23:29.46 | chouimat | prpplague: honey and garlic pasta with some pork chops |
| 23:29.49 | prpplague | hehe |
| 23:29.55 | chouimat | prpplague: ramen is for lunch :) |
| 23:29.59 | prpplague | hehe |
| 23:30.08 | ds2 | isn't it cup of noodles for lunch? ;) |
| 23:30.40 | chouimat | ds2: that too but since I work from home I can do a lot more than cup of noodles |
| 23:30.55 | ds2 | ah... so it is a BOWL of noodles ;) |
| 23:31.03 | chouimat | haha |
| 23:32.20 | prpplague | part of what we are looking for are some projects using sparkfun stuff |
| 23:32.35 | ds2 | what sort of sparkfun stuff? |
| 23:32.54 | prpplague | lcd's , accelorometers |
| 23:33.09 | prpplague | trackballs, temp sensors |
| 23:33.11 | prpplague | you name it |
| 23:33.18 | ds2 | what does it need to do? been meaning to use their I2C Nokia clone LCD in a project |
| 23:33.55 | prpplague | ds2: whatever, just as long as it is fun and educational |
| 23:34.03 | ds2 | any reward/prize/etc? |
| 23:34.17 | prpplague | free hardware |
| 23:34.23 | ds2 | when do you need it? |
| 23:34.40 | prpplague | hehe, starting in about 45 days |
| 23:35.06 | ds2 | depending on the hardware, I could move up a few projects I been meaning to do =) |
| 23:35.12 | prpplague | hehe |
| 23:35.13 | ds2 | mostly little car mod stuff |
| 23:35.23 | ds2 | but if it is worthwhile.... |
| 23:35.25 | prpplague | car mod? |
| 23:35.36 | ds2 | yeah little things for the car |
| 23:36.22 | ds2 | maybe it is not enough to qualify but I been meaning to put in a BT gps in the vehicle... sick of having to move my hand held BT unit in and out of the car |
| 23:36.32 | ds2 | stuff like that |
| 23:38.15 | prpplague | ahh |
| 23:38.30 | prpplague | yes sparkfun has alot of gps devices as well as bt |
| 23:38.32 | ds2 | there is another one but I am not sure how safe it is so I'll have to think more |
| 23:39.33 | joe_bleau | I've had nothing but trouble with the cheap sparkfun BT USB dongles. I think 1/5 worked for me. |
| 23:39.54 | prpplague | joe_bleau: oh yea? |
| 23:40.02 | joe_bleau | Yeah. |
| 23:40.19 | prpplague | interesting |
| 23:40.21 | ds2 | why get bt usb dongles from them? they are expensive in that regard |
| 23:40.32 | prpplague | joe_bleau: we've been getting cheapes from geeks.com |
| 23:40.42 | joe_bleau | Do they work? |
| 23:41.07 | prpplague | yea, pretty darn good too |
| 23:41.19 | prpplague | been paying around $4.95 for 200 |
| 23:41.42 | joe_bleau | Bought USB dongles from sparkfun because I was buying a handful of '232 BT modules too (50-100 or so). |
| 23:41.44 | ds2 | does that include a case? |
| 23:41.52 | prpplague | yea |
| 23:42.07 | ds2 | wonder how much do they charge to remove the case + USB connector |
| 23:42.15 | prpplague | they won't |
| 23:42.17 | prpplague | do it |
| 23:42.24 | ds2 | bah |
| 23:42.52 | ds2 | few hundred is probally to few for a custom order from their manuf. |
| 23:43.42 | prpplague | http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=WHT-FB-UD200&cpc=SCH |
| 23:45.37 | jbevren | prpplague: I need to get som real bluetooth mac addr's into my cheapies |
| 23:45.47 | jbevren | theyre all 11:11:[..]:11 |
| 23:45.56 | prpplague | jbevren: hey crack baby |
| 23:47.19 | jbevren | sup |
| 23:48.39 | jbevren | prpplague: did you see the sysmaster STB I linked the othernight? |
| 23:48.50 | prpplague | sorry no |
| 23:49.30 | jbevren | http://www.sysmaster.com/products/set_top_box.htm |
| 23:49.36 | jbevren | builtin webcam, optional wifi |
| 23:49.44 | jbevren | builtin ntsc output heh |
| 23:50.14 | jbevren | it kinda targets everyone, but I saw one IPTV provider used em |
| 23:50.15 | prpplague | interesting |
| 23:50.16 | prpplague | is it targeted to hotels or something? |
| 23:51.55 | jbevren | Lenoxa uses it |
| 23:52.02 | jbevren | lol hotels |
| 23:52.15 | jbevren | thats the first place a black towel would go |
| 23:52.21 | jbevren | or the first cable cut :) |
| 23:59.43 | joe_bleau | prpplague: thanks for the link. Here's the latest BT adapter I've been testing: http://www.bulgin.co.uk/Products/Buccaneer/BuccBluetoothAd.htm |
