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04:39.56overseeranyone know a good place to ask I2C questions?
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12:38.11prpplagueho ho ho
12:38.17prpplaguemerry freakin friday
12:47.23prpplaguefun fun fun fun fun
12:47.32prpplaguef is for ......
12:59.10sorphinfreakin plague
13:00.25sorphinprpplague: to do jffs2, i'll have to use blkmtd (or block2mtd), but it doesn't seem to allow me to do anything to the mtd device
13:08.58prpplaguesorphin: bummer
13:09.15prpplaguesorphin: maybe you should ask cosmicpenguin, i've not done x86 embedded in ages
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13:29.41sorphinheh
13:29.43sorphinnow you tell me :P
13:29.46sorphindamn ARM monkey
13:29.48sorphin;)
13:29.51sorphinGPSFan: mornin sir
13:30.08GPSFansorphin: g'day..
13:34.02prpplaguesorphin: its where the money is
13:34.15prpplaguesorphin: MIPS even more
13:43.54sorphinprpplague: heh
13:43.58sorphinGPSFan: hows things?
13:44.29sorphinprpplague: if you want to do that sort of thing for a living I suppose
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13:50.12prpplaguesorphin: ??
13:50.32GPSFansorphin: k, need to do some spring cleaning, too much stuff and too little time..
13:50.37sorphinGPSFan: indeed
13:50.50sorphinprpplague: i'd rather be a network monkey than a code monkey
13:50.55sorphinmore interesting
13:52.47prpplaguesorphin: hehe, each to his own
13:53.08prpplaguesorphin: i did the network thing for awhile, just wasn't enough there for me
13:53.12sorphinprpplague: well, i've been a coder most of my life, change is nice
13:53.25sorphinprpplague: oh, there's plenty here when you work for a Tier 1 backbone :P
13:53.26GPSFansorphin: what's that board that you & jbevren are working on?
13:53.26sorphinhehe
13:53.46sorphinGPSFan: GIC68-N  just a socket 370 motherboard (industrial purposed)
13:54.04GPSFansorphin: ah.
13:55.07jbevrenits fairly plainjane, aside from an onboard CF slot
13:55.25prpplaguesorphin: no i ment here for me as far ask keeping me interested
13:55.33prpplaguesorphin: s/here/there
13:56.07sorphinah
13:56.14GPSFanjbevren: ok, thought it might be something cool, sounds like a good workhorse though.
13:56.15sorphinprpplague: it's constant learning here doing this
13:56.34sorphinjbevren: and the watchdog, and the RNG if you're lucky like me ;)
13:56.39sorphinno rhyme intended :P
13:56.50jbevrenGPSFan: nod.  Watchdog, RNG if you replace the rom, and two NICs onboard
13:57.15GPSFanjbevren: atx, or smaller?
13:57.19jbevrenbaby atx
13:57.20sorphinmicro atx
13:57.24jbevrenmicro?
13:57.25jbevrenok.
13:57.27sorphinyes
13:57.28sorphinmicro
13:57.41jbevrenI constantly confuse baby with micro :)
13:57.46sorphinaccording to the DMI info
13:57.52sorphinit can be dual banked
13:57.56jbevrenlol well I can program the DMI rom to say nano itx
13:58.17jbevrenbut I belive sorphin's correct
13:58.18sorphinlol
13:58.56sorphinjbevren: fyi, i didn't get the micro from the DMI info
13:59.00jbevrensorphin: You have to make me care before you can cause me harm
13:59.13sorphinthe measurements
13:59.14sorphinmake it micro
13:59.23jbevrenthus my assertion that sorphin's correct
14:00.34sorphinindeed
14:00.46prpplaguesorphin: yea, well i want to get more into the guts of things
14:00.48jbevrenit has 4 pci slots too (fyi)
14:00.52jbevrenfour serial ports
14:00.52GPSFanjbevren: how's your scan server working, any hope of a wiki page for it?
14:00.57jbevrenGPSFan: some year
14:00.59jbevrenlol :)
14:01.06prpplaguesorphin: network stuff always seem too diconnected (no pun intended)
14:01.09sorphinprpplague: and you can't get into the guts networking, because...
14:01.09jbevrenIve used it to scan things for a tshirt I made at zazzle ;-)
14:02.45GPSFanjbevren: I was thinking of building one, got saned source and started reading the read-me's. Then real life intervened...
14:02.55jbevrenGPSFan: ah
14:02.59jbevrenI cheated and used debian
14:03.05jbevrenbeyond that its fairly straightforward
14:03.55GPSFanjbevren: yeah, I don't know which path would be the lesser of 2 evils.
14:04.53jbevrenautomated easy updates with debian ;-)
14:04.58GPSFanjbevren: I usuallt tend to build my own distro's from uclibc, busybox & the neccessary libs & apps.
14:04.58jbevrenalthough it'll require more storage
14:06.15sorphinjbevren: like 1.2TB? hehe
14:06.24jbevrensorphin ;)
14:06.30GPSFanjbevren: you mean it won't fit on my 8M cf card? ;>)
14:06.34jbevrenbase install is around 85M
14:06.40jbevrenwhich is huge ;-)
14:06.59jbevrenhowever, a uclibc distro should fit saned et.al in 8M
14:07.07jbevrenI fit libc5 and XFree86 in 5M once
14:07.13jbevrenX was 3.3.5 I think
14:07.32agaffneyxorg-7.0 would be much better for that
14:07.50agaffneysince it's relatively easy to strip the unnecessary crap
14:09.32jbevrennod
14:09.37jbevrenI just used the debian binaries lol
14:09.46jbevrencopied what was needed to a tftp'able initrd
14:10.18jbevrenI ran it on a NS geode box with no local storage
14:10.26jbevrenetherboot loaded the kernel and initrd, and it just ran from there
14:11.52GPSFanjbevren: I like that system for development, but want something stand-alone for the final system.
14:12.03jbevrenGPSFan: nod
14:12.17jbevrenI run SLXT on a sparcstation voyager, so I'm used to relying on a boot server
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14:13.03GPSFanjbevren: although my music server has 3 parts on 3 different machines, the mpd daemon, the music library, and the clients
14:15.54jbevrenhehe
14:15.58jbevrenthats a different story imho
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14:20.35prpplaguedoh kp'd my box
14:25.50sorphinum.. ok
14:26.46prpplaguesorphin: you were saying about not getting into network guts?
14:28.28sorphinprpplague: i'm quite frequently into the 'network guts'
14:28.38sorphinkinda part of the job of protecting the core network ;)
14:31.49prpplaguesorphin: guess its all in what you term guts and where ya get your kicks
14:40.13jbevrenI need to reinstall this one heh
14:40.58prpplaguejbevren: the usb testing stuff is only available with 2.6 which is a pain
14:41.11jbevrenah
14:41.16jbevrenthats what the dev box is for
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16:15.23sorphinT0mW: hey old timer
16:22.36T0mWsorphin: hello sorphin
16:22.53T0mWsorphin: how is the new life coming along: house + wife
16:23.25sorphinwife is in better shape than the money pit (house)
16:23.32T0mWlol
16:23.58T0mWthe wife probably appreciates in value faster than the house does
16:24.23sorphinheh
16:24.26sorphinthe house actually
16:24.41sorphinappraised $14k higher than when we bought it, 6 months after
16:24.42sorphinlol
16:26.40T0mWThe housing market here in eastern Pennsylvania is crazy!  People have seen homes that cost them $180K jump in a year to more than $300K!
16:27.08jbevrenthats cause people arent retarded enough to live in NYC anymore
16:27.14T0mWyes
16:27.17jbevren:)
16:27.22jbevrenI lived in NEPA for a while
16:27.25jbevrennice area
16:27.36T0mWpeople are fleeing NY & NJ and bringing big money into PA to buy a home.
16:27.40jbevrenaside from that christmas that dumped nearly 3 feet of snow on new jersey :)
16:29.20T0mWjbevren: the view I see each morning making coffee: http://www.openhardware.net/KitchenWindow.jpg
16:30.43T0mWjbevren: we had 50degree weather Wednesday, Thursday morning we awoke to 4+ inches of snow, only in Pennsylvania!
16:31.00jbevrenhehe
16:31.19T0mWI love it here, the seasons are never boring
16:31.42jbevrenhttp://starbase.globalpc.net/~jbevren/triumph/backyard-view.jpg was my place in scranton
16:32.13T0mWI'm about 40miles southeast of Scranton
16:32.36T0mWheh, a bit of clutter in the foreground there.
16:33.09jbevrennod
16:33.13jbevrenthe hills section is fairly tight-packed
16:33.16jbevrenI hated it
16:33.20jbevrenscranton's a dying town
16:33.30jbevrenI dont honestly believe the city has much of a future
16:33.39T0mWyeah, I know what you mean.
16:33.48jbevrenI bet it was great in the coal days :)
16:34.08T0mWyeah, all you probably could see was haze
16:34.26jbevrenbut yeah, there's this oppressing feeling of stagnance(sp?) in most of the town
16:34.29T0mWPittsburg used to be like that, they really transformed that city today
16:34.36sorphindir /dev/mtd0
16:34.39sorphingrr
16:34.40jbevrendir?
16:34.41jbevrendir??
16:34.43T0mWheh
16:34.44sorphinyes
16:34.45jbevrenDIR?!
16:34.47jbevren:)
16:34.49sorphinalias dir='ls -l'
16:34.50jbevrenunalias dir
16:34.53jbevrenlol :)
16:34.54sorphinno
16:35.01sorphinit's faster
16:35.04jbevrenls?
16:35.08jbevren2 letters vs 3?
16:35.12sorphinls -l
16:35.13jbevrenll in redhat
16:35.17sorphinuh
16:35.18jbevrenis aliased to ls -l
16:35.21jbevren<PROTECTED>
16:35.25sorphini don't use RH
16:35.25sorphin:P
16:35.29jbevrenbah
16:35.33sorphinnever will either
16:35.37sorphinused RH 5.0
16:35.38jbevrenI hate to :)
16:35.41jbevrenI tried 4.2
16:35.43sorphinthat killed me forever on it
16:35.43jbevrenthe installer was shite
16:35.54sorphinanyways
16:35.58jbevrenI never got it to install properly, had to rpm -i * on the cdrom
16:36.06sorphinnod
16:36.15jbevrenT0mW: shame we didnt know each other sooner eh?
16:36.18jbevrenheh
16:36.22sorphini've basically been a debian hybrid till ubuntu
16:36.32jbevrennod
16:36.37jbevrenI tried warty
16:36.48jbevrenit wasnt bad, aside from missing the most common applications on the planet
16:36.49jbevrenlike xmms
16:36.54T0mWjbevren: yeah, it is tough to find people who do embedded stuff, or can appreciate what you're talking about.
16:36.54sorphinnever used it
16:36.55jbevrenany sort of video player
16:37.12jbevrenT0mW: I'm not good with the hardware (yet), but I understand the concepts :)
16:37.14sorphini tend to not use linux for anything but server base now
16:37.26T0mWjbevren: I hate it when people ask me what it is that I do for a living.  Just how do you explain it?
16:37.31sorphinunless it's a sun box and then i use solaris
16:37.32jbevrenoh
16:37.40jbevrentell them you make devices that control appliances
16:37.42sorphinT0mW: you slack
16:37.48jbevrenlike microwaves and tv's
16:37.49jbevren:)
16:37.55jbevrenafk BACON!
16:38.20sorphinjbevren: no, that's Beggin Strips
16:38.21sorphinlol
16:38.26T0mWI usually tell them I design the Security Equipment that protects homes + businesses
16:38.43sorphinheh
16:38.57sorphinT0mW: can't do any worse than his ADT crap we have then ;)
16:39.18T0mWheh
16:39.51sorphininstead of an alarm circuit, it comenderes the phone line
16:40.11T0mWI've got a board here that I've got to replicate the functionality for a customer.  8031 thingy with Isolated RS232 and a RJ45 jack with RS232 + Power on it.
16:40.12sorphingreat way to be able to contact ADT to tell them everything's ok, or for them to reach you if you don't have a cell
16:40.21sorphinnod
16:40.33sorphini gotta figure out how i'm gonna mount my cameras
16:40.34T0mWdare I say "reverse"
16:41.20prpplaguei don't need any more harrasment
16:41.28sorphinaww
16:41.34sorphinok
16:41.44sorphini'll rig your keyboard to shock you every 15 minutes
16:41.50jbevrenI solly, you wan fenfy?
16:41.50sorphinshock treatmets
16:42.02sorphinjbevren: what crack you on?
16:42.13jbevrenits a quote
16:42.21jbevrenfrom some asian guy at a wendy's in pa :)
16:42.32sorphinuh huh
16:50.14jbevrennot a word of a lie there, gov'ner
16:51.17sorphinheh
17:03.58jbevrenhttp://www.spamdailynews.com/publish/ATT_forwards_all_Internet_traffic_into_NSA_says_EFF.asp
18:04.40sorphinheh
18:05.51sorphinthankfully i'm not an AT&T client ;)
18:06.18jbevrenmy route to freenode crosses at&t
18:06.25jbevrenits as well as sniffed
18:06.46sorphinmine don't
18:08.09jbevrenit does on its way to my irc client
18:08.12jbevrenits as well as sniffed :P
18:09.22sorphintracerouted several times
18:09.31sorphinnever once do i cross AT&T
18:09.36sorphinno matter which server
18:09.37sorphin:)
18:10.07bonsaikittenassuming only AT&T is sniffing
18:10.13bonsaikitten</tinfoil hat>
18:10.16jbevrenhehe
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18:20.23agaffneybleh
18:20.26agaffneyI've got SBC DSL
18:20.31jbevrennyaa!
18:20.34agaffneywhich is now AT&T
18:20.48jbevrenwhich is now managed by the NSA
18:20.50agaffneyand I only have that because my apartment complex won't let the cable company in
18:20.55agaffneyapparently :P
18:22.59sorphini a) doubt it's true, b) doubt ALL of at&t is routing to the NSA.. taht's way too much backbone :P
18:23.49EvilDevil.oO( poor lil' guy who has to read all the shit we're writing )
18:24.27sorphinagaffney: i dont' mind them.. my dsl rarely goes down
18:24.37agaffneymine is good most of the time
18:24.52sorphinand i refuse to use Charter's cable garbage
18:25.02agaffneybut every month or so, I have a 1-2 week period where my DSL drops off anywhere from 8-40 times a day
18:25.07agaffneyand then it clears up by itself
18:25.14agaffneybut every time SBC says it's nothing on their end
18:25.26agaffneyI had Charter before SBC, and I had no problem with it
18:25.36agaffneythey also offer higher speeds
18:25.39sorphinwell
18:25.48sorphini also have a static ip block
18:25.54sorphingood luck getting that w/ cable ;)
18:26.10sorphinand mine's not even that sticky static crap, it's real static
18:26.12agaffneyI don't need a static IP block
18:26.25agaffneysince I admin 3 different servers sitting on T1s :)
18:26.32sorphin....
18:27.03sorphinand i admin boxes sitting on 2 OC3s out of your campus onto our OC192 backbone..
18:27.05sorphinso what's your point?
18:27.15sorphins/your/our/
18:27.26sorphinpurl: shaddup
18:27.27purlfine, be that way!
18:27.36sorphinanyways
18:27.44sorphinw/ them on my statics at home
18:27.55sorphini have more direct control, where i want them
18:28.04agaffneyif there's anything I need to serve up, I stick it on one of those boxes
18:28.13sorphinthere's a liability
18:28.18sorphinthat i don't have that you do
18:28.19sorphin:P
18:28.39sorphinbut anyways
18:34.58sorphinthis seems to be one of those times i wish i'd used a module for this driver
18:35.25sorphinsince when the machine had to be forcefully reset, lilo wasn't passed the device name, so the kernel driver didn't load
18:38.32jbevrenlol
18:38.38jbevrenanyone near NYC want a 31" vga display?
18:38.44jbevren$50
18:40.56agaffney!!!
18:41.03agaffneyI don't suppose you want to ship it :P
18:41.04sorphinheh
18:41.21agaffneySt. Louis isn't *that* far :P
18:41.23sorphinany way to get linux to cause a cold reboot instead of a warm? :P
18:41.23jbevrenhehe
18:41.28sorphinagaffney: uh
18:41.29sorphinwait
18:41.35sorphinagaffney: you're in st louis too?
18:41.41agaffneytoo?
18:41.42jbevrensorphin: (broken record) using apm?
18:41.43agaffneyyou are?
18:41.45jbevrenhe is
18:41.51sorphinyep
18:41.51jbevren7606776355
18:41.51sorphini am
18:41.54jbevren^ monitor (ebay)
18:42.03agaffneysorphin: where in St. Louis? I live in St. Charles and work in Fenton
18:42.14jbevrenhm
18:42.17sorphinnear westport
18:42.19jbevrenI should hit st.lou sometime hehe
18:42.35agaffneysorphin: westport is Page, right?
18:42.40sorphinjbevren: you could tag along w/ sjhill ;)
18:42.47sorphinagaffney: yes
18:42.51sorphin364
18:42.57agaffneythat's about half way between work and home :)
18:43.03agaffneyI pass 364 everyday
18:43.06sorphinyep
18:43.07agaffneyboth ways :P
18:43.13jbevrenhm
18:43.16jbevrenI could
18:43.17sorphini live 2.1 miles from work
18:43.22agaffneysmall freakin' world :)
18:43.25sorphinindeed
18:43.41sorphinwho do youwork for?
18:44.03sorphinjbevren: not using APM, no
18:44.10jbevrenstrange
18:44.18jbevrenI wonder when linux started 'properly' rebooting
18:44.25sorphinis there any way to FORCE a cold though?
18:44.26jbevren2.6.8.1 still coldstarts on this machine
18:44.32jbevrenI dont know actually heh
18:44.40sorphini'm on 2.6.12
18:44.40sorphinheh
18:44.51sorphinand it has to be a warm reboot
18:45.12sorphinbecause it never makes it to memory count on those freezes, nor to HDD detection
18:45.28jbevrennod
18:45.30sorphinbut hitting reset works
18:45.36jbevrenyou've tried turning the oc off?
18:45.42sorphinwell
18:45.43sorphini would
18:45.49sorphinbut i can't get into the bios atm ;)
18:45.49jbevrenchange rc.6 to reset using the watchdog :)
18:46.08sorphinyeah, the #PCIRESET
18:46.08sorphinheh
18:46.23jbevrenyouve tested the windbond WDT hehe
18:46.23sorphinso what would be easiest?
18:46.27sorphinyes
18:46.28sorphini have
18:46.30jbevrensince you dont have remote access
18:46.36jbevrenI think that'd be easiest atm
18:46.39jbevrener
18:46.41jbevrenlocal access
18:46.42jbevrenbleh :)
18:46.43sorphini meant
18:46.52sorphinto trip the watchdog in rc6
18:46.56sorphinsince
18:47.05jbevrenyeah
18:47.05sorphinthe daemon 'closes' the socket on exit
18:47.14jbevrenset up the watchdog for 15secs
18:47.15sorphinand i didn't enable 'no way out'
18:47.22jbevrentrigger it right before the shutdown -r now
18:47.26prpplaguethe ether driver works fine
18:47.31sorphinprpplague: luser error
18:47.35jbevrenactually
18:47.37jbevrenshutdown -h :)
18:47.40jbevrenthat way it doesnt reboot
18:47.43sorphinuh
18:47.56jbevrenthe final setp of rc6 is a shutdown -fr
18:48.06sorphinbut then it halts :P
18:48.09jbevrenchange it to a shutdown -h so it doesnt reset the system, and let the rtc handle it
18:48.14jbevrenthe rtc will reset the sytsem, thus reboot
18:48.18jbevrener wdt
18:48.20jbevrengrr :P
18:48.22prpplaguesorphin: probably
18:48.25sorphinthe rtc?
18:48.26agaffneysorphin: I work for a small-ish religious supply company called Creative Communications
18:48.28sorphinyou're on crack
18:48.28sorphinlol
18:48.30jbevrens/rtc/wdt
18:48.31jbevrenI am
18:48.36jbevrenI'm brainfried, its friday
18:48.45sorphinagaffney: i dunno if i can talk to you anymore then ;)
18:48.58jbevrenhehe
18:48.59agaffneyheh, I'm not religious :)
18:49.05sorphincourse
18:49.07jbevrenI can talk to him as long as he doesnt try to Witness on me :)
18:49.08sorphini talk to sjhill
18:49.14agaffneyI just take their money :)
18:49.17sorphinand he thumps the bible quite often
18:49.25agaffneybleh
18:49.28jbevrenheh
18:49.33sorphinspeaking of which
18:49.38sorphinappears he's on
18:49.42jbevrenthe ride to st.louis would be a very long conversation with sjhill
18:49.50jbevrenI have a very unpopular view of the christian theos
18:49.55sorphinah
18:50.08sorphinagaffney: dyslexic agnostic?
18:50.09sorphinhehe
18:50.15agaffneysjhill? he hangs out in #gentoo-mips
18:50.16jbevrenlysdexics untie!
18:50.20agaffneyhah
18:50.24jbevrennod, I know sjhill
18:50.29jbevrenhe helped me a bit getting linux onto my origin
18:50.58sorphini know him
18:51.02sorphinbecause he came to my wedding ;)
18:51.09sorphindrove all the way down here
18:51.16sorphinhadn't even met him in person till then
18:51.24sorphineven gave a wedding gift
18:51.27sorphingood guy
18:51.28jbevrenyour mom was probabl like
18:51.32jbevrenyou invited someone from the INTERNET?
18:51.35sorphinuh
18:51.39jbevrenhes' not an axe murderer is he?
18:51.39jbevrenlol
18:51.42sorphinmy mom had nothing to do with anything
18:51.47jbevren:P
18:52.02sorphini'm 31 this year, my mother has very little influence in my life
18:52.09jbevrensame here :P
18:52.19jbevrenof course, neither of my parents are alive
18:52.21sorphinmissy's mother tries to influence her though
18:52.23sorphinindeed
18:52.36agaffneysorphin: 31? you're practically ancient :P
18:52.37sorphinagaffney: i work for XO Communications, fyi
18:52.46sorphinagaffney: no, T0mW is ancient
18:52.49sorphinhe's 50 something
18:52.51agaffneyheh
18:53.04agaffneysorphin: ah, my dad's business has 2 XO T1s
18:53.05sorphinplague is in his 30s too iirc
18:53.19sorphinagaffney: i'm network security. i protect the backbone
18:53.32T0mWsorphin: at least I made it this far, we'll have to see how you fare
18:53.37agaffneyheh
18:53.44agaffneysorphin: cool
18:53.52sorphinT0mW: the world will be gone by the time i'd hit 50 :P
18:54.23T0mWyeah, right, like I always said "why worry, I'll be dead before I'm thirty..."
18:54.36T0mW;)
18:54.44sorphinwell
18:54.51sorphinthey had tube radios back then
18:54.53sorphin;)
18:54.55agaffneyhah
18:55.32agaffneysorphin: we'll have to meet up sometime
18:55.40agaffneyit's always nice meeting fellow local geeks :P
18:55.42sorphinquite
18:56.00sorphinagaffney: preferably on this side of the river :P
18:56.04agaffneyheh
18:56.10sorphinme and St. Charles don't get along, so i don't like being over there unless i have to
18:56.14agaffneyI'm only at 5th Street
18:56.23agaffneyit's only ~1/4 mile past the river :)
18:56.29sorphini have a history w/ the sherriff
18:56.32agaffneyhah
18:57.01sorphinagaffney: involving my former employer (MCI)
18:57.06sorphinsome hardware
18:57.19sorphinand people that turned turncoat
18:58.01agaffneyfun
18:59.29jbevrenthe HELL!?
18:59.32jbevrenfirefox screws up
18:59.37jbevrenso EVERYTHING on my X server goes T-state
18:59.59sorphinhehe
19:00.12sorphinand if you -CONT it
19:00.14sorphinit crashes
19:00.14sorphinlol
19:01.27sorphinuh
19:01.29sorphinok
19:01.35agaffneymy wife is making her a costume for her next choir concert
19:01.42agaffneybut my wife is now working until 10 tonight
19:01.46agaffneybut I still have to go pick up my sister
19:02.13sorphinah
19:02.17sorphinjbevren: hmm
19:02.18agaffneyshe'll stay out of my hair for the most part
19:02.30agaffneyshe'll sign on to AIM on my wife's XP box and be quiet :P
19:02.32sorphinwhat if i did a kill -9 on the watchdog daemon, and then shutdown -h ?
19:02.47sorphinagaffney: ah, teenager?
19:02.48sorphinlol
19:03.02agaffney15
19:03.07sorphinscary
19:03.10agaffneyvery
19:03.19agaffneywe think a lot alike, though
19:03.21agaffneyshe's damn smart
19:03.24sorphinheh
19:03.27agaffneyand actually gets my sense of humor :P
19:03.46sorphinheh
19:03.56sorphinjbevren: sound like it'll work?
19:04.23sorphinthe actual HW watchdog is 60 seconds, the daemon does every 10 secs
19:04.46jbevrensorphin: catch me up, I'm rebuilding my X session
19:04.58sorphinjbevren: <sorphin> what if i did a kill -9 on the watchdog daemon, and then shutdown -h
19:04.58sorphin<PROTECTED>
19:05.08jbevrenoh
19:05.11jbevrenremember how you triggered it?
19:05.18jbevrenkill -9 should work
19:05.23jbevrenbut I'd just echo > /dev/wdt
19:05.37sorphinthe daemon is running now
19:05.59sorphinbut yeah, the echo bit should work
19:06.00sorphinok
19:06.05sorphinmaybe AT&T is routing me :P
19:06.08sorphinto the nsa
19:06.11sorphini'm suddenly laggy
19:06.12sorphinlol
19:06.21jbevrendoes rc6 stop the daemon?
19:06.24sorphin*waves hi to the NSA flunkies*
19:06.27sorphinyes
19:06.31sorphingracefully
19:06.42sorphinif the watchdog properly closes the socket
19:06.47sorphinit won't reboot
19:07.04sorphinunless
19:07.11sorphinyou have 'NO_WAY_OUT' set
19:07.15sorphinin which case
19:07.17agaffney*cough* osama bomb terrorist biological weapon *cough*
19:07.36sorphinToo Many Secrets
19:08.00prpplagueagaffney: ?
19:08.09agaffneyprpplague: for the NSA :)
19:08.14prpplagueagaffney: ahh
19:08.16sorphin"Hi, My name is Werner Brandes, My voice, is my passport, verify me"
19:08.24prpplaguesorphin: hehe
19:08.39sorphini love that movie
19:08.48sorphinit's one of the only hacker movies
19:08.52sorphinthat's actually feasable
19:08.58prpplaguesorphin: yea, know what you mean
19:09.00sorphinthe Net isn't
19:09.01sorphinHackers
19:09.02sorphinisn't
19:09.05sorphinSwordfish
19:09.07sorphinisn't
19:09.16sorphinthe matrix atleast uses ssh
19:09.17sorphinhehe
19:09.20prpplaguehehe
19:10.03sorphinswordfish abotu all that's geeky is they mention a "DS3 connection"
19:10.03sorphinwhich most people call T3s :P
19:10.04agaffneySneakers is such a great movie
19:10.09sorphinagaffney: i remember seeing it in the theatre
19:10.14prpplaguesorphin: i did like the fact that he hid is app on an old tape backup
19:10.32sorphinprpplague: eh?
19:10.34prpplaguesorphin: did you like "anti-trust"?
19:10.40prpplaguesorphin: in swordfish
19:10.40sorphinhaven't seen it
19:10.46jbevrenits surprising how little impact strace has on firefox
19:11.05prpplaguesorphin: in swordfish he hid is hacking apps on an old tape backup machine in some .edu
19:11.12sorphinprpplague: swordfish is also unrealistic because no hacker gets a b     j while hacking
19:11.13sorphinlol
19:11.19prpplaguesorphin: hehe
19:11.29agaffneyanti-trust kinda sucked
19:11.36agaffneyswordfish was half-decent
19:11.36sorphinagaffney: the cast
19:11.51prpplaguei hate usb-slave
19:11.57sorphinAnti-Trust has a stupid cast
19:12.00prpplaguei have so many sleepless nights of it
19:12.07agaffneyHackers was the worst hacking movie ever
19:12.08sorphinoh
19:12.17sorphinThe Ugly Red Book that won't fit on a shelf!
19:12.20prpplagueApr  7 15:05:00 localhost kernel: usb-uhci.c: interrupt, status 3, frame# 1744
19:12.20prpplagueApr  7 15:05:05 localhost kernel: usb-uhci.c: interrupt, status 3, frame# 624
19:12.20prpplagueApr  7 15:05:10 localhost kernel: usb-uhci.c: interrupt, status 3, frame# 1552
19:12.21prpplagueApr  7 15:05:15 localhost kernel: usb-uhci.c: interrupt, status 3, frame# 432
19:12.21prpplagueApr  7 15:05:20 localhost kernel: usb-uhci.c: interrupt, status 3, frame# 1360
19:12.21prpplagueApr  7 15:05:25 localhost kernel: usb-uhci.c: interrupt, status 3, frame# 240
19:12.24sorphinthe NSA guide to trusted networks
19:12.25prpplaguefreakin usb
19:12.27agaffneyI tried to watch it a few months ago at 2am just for the humor value, but it was just *bad*
19:12.28sorphinprpplague: uh
19:12.30sorphindave?
19:12.41prpplaguesorphin: yea?
19:12.47jbevrenI kid you not
19:12.48sorphinprpplague: please announce before flooding? :)
19:12.55jbevren80% of the firefox system calls seem to be gettimeofday
19:13.00sorphinjbevren: ha
19:13.00prpplaguesorphin: thats wasn't a flood
19:13.09sorphinprpplague: here it was :)
19:13.13agaffney6 lines isn't a flood :P
19:13.15prpplaguesorphin: small paste
19:13.16sorphini can't scroll back :P
19:13.19agaffneyit's a mini-flood
19:13.28agaffneysorphin: what crappy client are you using?
19:13.36sorphinlessee
19:13.59sorphini'm on a solaris box in a dterm ssh'd to one of my static machines at home under screen using bitchx :P
19:14.13prpplaguesorphin: how about i paste the other 400+ lines
19:14.17sorphinthe dterm won't scroll back
19:14.19agaffneyI'm SSH'd to my home box running irssi under screen
19:14.27sorphinit's the dterm
19:14.32agaffneybitchx doesn't scroll?
19:14.35agaffneyirssi scrolls itself
19:14.42sorphindterm catches the pageup
19:14.46agaffneyah
19:14.47jbevren'scroll'?
19:14.54jbevrenbx has backscroll
19:15.03jbevrenif your terminal is broken (pageup doesnt work), try esc-p and esc-n
19:15.04agaffneysorphin: you can't remap the key? (I've never used bitchx)
19:16.53sorphinjbevren: sweet
19:17.04sorphinjbevren: that works
19:17.09jbevrenesc-b and esc-e work too
19:17.12jbevrenoh
19:17.15jbevrenesc-b doesnt on mine anymore
19:17.18sorphinoops
19:17.19jbevrenesc-e is to exit backscroll
19:17.32sorphinok, i triggered the watchdog then shutdown -H now'd
19:17.46sorphinlet's see if it comes back up
19:17.50jbevrenfinger-crossing time?
19:18.06sorphinif it doesn't i'm gonna have to kill the OC
19:18.07sorphinoh
19:18.08sorphinbtw
19:18.19sorphinwhen the kernel hasn't rebooted before
19:18.32sorphin(i.e. it stops after the 3ware: stopping...)
19:18.42sorphinwhen it works i see the scsi flush
19:18.44sorphinwhen it doesn't
19:18.45sorphini don't
19:19.01sorphinhrm
19:19.13sorphineither it's hung in POST again
19:19.20sorphinor the watchdog didn't trip reboot
19:19.24sorphindammit
19:19.54jbevrendoh
19:19.56jbevrenthere goes the toy
19:21.04sorphinnah, just means OC is no more
19:21.12sorphinthat 3ware hang bugs me though
19:21.17sorphincuz it doesn't always do that
19:21.24sorphinit's kernel related
19:24.59sorphinhehe
19:25.32sorphinagaffney: i have way too much hardware
19:25.50jbevrenheh
19:25.53jbevrenI have a dualhead octane
19:25.55jbevrenr12k/300
19:26.40agaffneyHP 9000/715/75, HP 3600, Apple G4 tower, Sun Netra t1125, SGI Octane, dual-core amd64 box
19:26.56jbevrenhehe
19:26.56sorphin8 pcs, 1 SGI Indigo2,
19:26.58agaffneyg3 imac
19:27.02sorphin3 sparcs
19:27.04agaffneymy wife's XP box
19:27.06sorphin1 mac mini
19:27.18sorphin2 wrt54g's
19:27.22sorphin1 catalyst
19:27.35sorphin2 Compact PCI machines (one is now a juniper Olive)
19:28.04agaffneymy Octane is only 1x195MHz
19:28.20agaffneyI've also got the 2 walnut boards
19:28.26agaffneya WRT54GS
19:28.40agaffneythen a 15", 17", and 20" CRT
19:28.51agaffneyplus my 17" TFT and 17" CRT I'm using for my amd64 workstation
19:28.58jbevrenHP9000/715/50 HP9k/725/100 HPJ5600/552x2 P3/1400 P3/1400 P3/866 P3/900 athlon64/3200+ ultra1/167mhz ultra1e/(200 I think) origin2000/r10k/195*12+r12k/200*2+(dead)r12k/200*2 origin200/4xr12k/270
19:28.59jbevrenhrm
19:29.02jbevrenwhat else do I have
19:29.03agaffneyplus a few gutted x86 boxes
19:29.05jbevrenhandful of commodores
19:29.22agaffneymmm...J5600
19:29.26agaffneythe C3600's big brother :)
19:29.27jbevrensgi o2/r5k/200 o2/r10k/175/VIVO
19:29.40agaffneyI had a SS20 and U2, but I sold them
19:29.44agaffneyI also just sold a E250
19:29.49jbevrenI powered my suns up once
19:29.56sorphinagaffney: the I2 is a 4400/200
19:29.58jbevrenoh, I'll mention my sparcstation voyager in passing
19:30.11sorphinand it's for sale ;)
19:30.20agaffneyI2?
19:30.22jbevrena few laptops.. subnotebook/celeron300 old 120mhz pentium, and p4 2.4ghz
19:30.23sorphinoh, if we're gonna go into other hardware
19:30.32sorphin2 IOpeners
19:30.35jbevreni2=indigo2?
19:30.35sorphin2 DCT5000s (MIPS based)
19:30.44sorphin2 webpals
19:30.48sorphin2 tuxscreens
19:30.51jbevrenI have an archive of photos from a recent decision to photologue things
19:30.52sorphinyes
19:30.55sorphinI2 = Indigo 2
19:30.57jbevreneventually I'll be posting them on computershelter.org
19:31.38sorphinagaffney: so if you need anything
19:31.39sorphinlol
19:31.46agaffneysorphin: you in the market for a Sun E450? I know someone by the airport looking to sell one :)
19:31.52sorphinnope
19:31.56sorphinused one of those at MCI
19:32.00sorphintoo big
19:32.03agaffneyit's useful as a server and/or a coffee table
19:32.06sorphinit's like a mini fridge
19:32.18sorphincept taller
19:32.23sorphinno
19:32.28sorphini want an Sunfire
19:32.33sorphinor one of the new opteron boxes
19:32.36agaffneyheh
19:32.45sorphinwe're pricing a dual Opteron 248 box
19:32.48agaffneyI'm happy with my X2 4200+ box for now
19:32.52jbevrenheh
19:32.56agaffneydual-core 2.2GHz
19:32.58jbevrenIve pondered dualcore'ing my a64
19:33.06agaffneymuch better than the tbird 1.3GHz I upgraded from
19:33.32sorphinagaffney: my TBird 1ghz
19:33.39sorphinruns circles around my P4
19:33.39sorphinheh
19:33.42agaffneyheh
19:33.45sorphinit's sick
19:33.47agaffneyoh, the tbird was fast
19:33.48sorphinhell
19:33.50agaffneyit was just *hot*
19:33.53sorphinmy P3 850 though
19:33.55agaffneyit idled at 60C
19:33.59sorphinoutruns the tbird
19:34.05agaffneymy X2 idles at 36C
19:34.08sorphinnod
19:34.29sorphinSys Temp:    +82 F  (high =  +100 F, hyst =   +34 F)   sensor = thermistor
19:34.31sorphinCPU Temp:  +92.3 F  (high =  +140 F, hyst =  +131 F)   sensor = diode
19:34.38sorphinthat's the tualatin atm
19:34.59sorphinif we wanna detail cpus
19:37.13sorphinp4-2.66ghz, 1ghz athlon, 1.13ghz tualatin, dual PPro 200, PII 450, 2 PIII 700s, 1 PIII 600, dual cpu PIII 600, G4/1.5ghz, 2x603e/300mhz, UltraSparcII/350, UltraSparcII/440, UltraSparcII/333, MIPS 4400/200, 2xMIPS 5432/200
19:37.16sorphin:)
19:37.38sorphinoh, and the MIPS in the WRT's
19:37.44jbevrenah, you have real usparcs :)
19:38.07sorphinjbevren: yes, my 2 ss20s haven't been used in a while
19:38.08jbevrenI want a meso999 laptop heh
19:38.19sorphinjbevren: i have an Ultra30, and Ultra5 and an AXi
19:38.29sorphinprpplague: that's in your head, dave ;)
19:38.33jbevrenmm AXi
19:38.36jbevrenI pondered one of those
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19:38.54sjhillwho dare summon me?
19:38.56sorphinme
19:38.59prpplaguesjhill: hey crack baby
19:39.04sorphinyou spawn of MIPS
19:39.15sorphinsjhill: we have another local monkey
19:39.23sorphinagaffney is a fellow st louisan
19:39.34sjhilloh dear
19:39.35sjhillhello
19:39.45sorphinsjhill: i mentioned to jbevren that you and he should come down
19:39.51sorphinhehe
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19:40.10prpplaguesjhill: have any clue where i could find some online help with usb gadget stuff?
19:40.10sjhillthat'd be dangerous
19:40.18sjhillugh
19:40.19sorphinsjhill: to whom is the question
19:40.20sorphinlol
19:40.44sjhillso the usb gadget drivers already in the kernel aren't helping, eh?
19:41.26sjhillprpplague: what's the problem?
19:41.47sjhillprpplague: so jbevren is the problem?
19:43.08prpplaguesjhill: naw, i'm working on a s3c2410 udc, getting lots of interrupts
19:43.16prpplaguesjhill: drivers are back ported from 2.6
19:43.27sjhillyou're doing a 2.4 kernel?!?
19:43.31prpplaguesjhill: i expected the device would be more stable than the sa-1110 stuff
19:43.33prpplaguesjhill: yea
19:43.43sjhillwhoo boy
19:44.06prpplaguesjhill: hehe, well 2.6 doesn't always make good biz sense
19:44.10sjhillwell, i did my original gadget stuff under 2.4
19:44.27sjhilli'll have to check my code archives tonight for you
19:44.34prpplaguesjhill: thanks
19:45.01prpplaguesjhill: everything "seems" to work
19:45.11prpplaguesjhill: just get a ton of interrupts on the host side
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19:55.23sorphinsjhill: i just dragged you in, because i can and saw you on
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20:01.09sorphinprpplague: not you again
20:01.10sorphin;)
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20:02.56prpplaguesjhill: everyone of these interrupts is a xmit from host controler to the udc
20:03.11prpplaguesjhill: dont see any from udc to host
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20:38.49sjhillprpplague: hmm
20:41.18sjhillprpplague: so what is your host driver doing?
20:42.06sorphinsjhill: hey lackey
20:42.09prpplaguesjhill: good question, just using the standard usbserial driver
20:42.11sorphinevery used the blkmtd driver?
20:42.23sorphin*ever
20:43.44sjhillprpplague: does your udc see the USB interrupt transaction request?
20:44.19prpplaguesjhill: hmm, nope, i don't see anything to indicate that
20:49.17sjhillprpplague: well, i suggest you start handling the interrupt transacations in your udc driver then and your messages will disappear. even if it is something as simple as acknowledging the transaction and doing nothing
20:49.27sjhilltry that first
20:49.50sjhillbut you really should go deeper with the usb serial driver and see how the full protocol works
20:49.59prpplaguesjhill: hmm
20:50.12prpplaguesjhill: see i'm using the usb gadget stuff thats in the kernel
20:50.19prpplaguesjhill: really surprised that its
20:50.26prpplagueit's not working properly
20:50.44sjhillunderstanding the paridgm is key
20:50.48prpplaguesjhill: yea
20:50.51sjhillyou have a USB device controller
20:50.58sjhillyou can be ANY TYPE of USB device you want to be
20:51.05prpplaguesjhill: right
20:51.08sjhillhopefully not a platipus, but anyway
20:51.58sjhillso if you are going to be a USB serial device, you have to be it all the way
20:52.06prpplaguesjhill: yea
20:52.15sjhillbbi 15 minutes
20:52.32prpplaguesjhill: i think this goes deeper though, i think this is something in the way i'm handling the udc in general
20:52.48prpplaguesjhill: because i've had the same problem on three different arm processors
20:53.08prpplaguesjhill: sa-1110(yea i know it sucks) , sharp lh79524, and now with the s3c2410
21:04.41sorphinmaybe his ARM is broken
21:04.42sorphinlol
21:33.25jbevrenits amazing how many different spellings people can come up for 'suspended'
21:35.41sorphinheh
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22:27.18sunrunnergrrr
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23:01.23overseerany recommended sources for embedded linux-capable platforms with IDE or capable of IDE w/an HBA?
23:08.40EvilDeviloverseer, http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/DS101/HomePage ?
23:10.44overseerah, the slug -- thanks!
23:24.20EvilDeviloverseer, no, synology ds101 (internal ide)

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