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| 10:09.48 | *** topic/#dub by |zongo| -> Welcome to the notorious Donjon's Ugly Beasts channel || DUB team score 1649 || Greetings to our friends from other teams || Visit DUB-site at http://dub.bzleague.com || visit http://1vs1.bzleague.com :O) |
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| 13:04.39 | |zongo| | SportChick are u around? |
| 13:05.02 | SportChick | |zongo|: yes |
| 13:05.12 | |zongo| | I just wanted to write here some of my thoughts about the league as they come |
| 13:05.33 | |zongo| | I appreciate the summary post u made, it's real good job |
| 13:05.40 | SportChick | thanks |
| 13:05.52 | SportChick | so you are going to write them here and then post them? :D |
| 13:06.01 | |zongo| | no, just write them here |
| 13:06.13 | |zongo| | i dont have time to make a meaningful post |
| 13:06.31 | SportChick | would you like me to post them for you when you are finished? |
| 13:06.33 | |zongo| | u can copy-paste the sentences which u find interesting |
| 13:06.37 | SportChick | ok |
| 13:06.52 | |zongo| | and put it in the summary if u have time |
| 13:07.40 | |zongo| | About seasonal league: It's important to have a break between 2 tournaments |
| 13:07.58 | |zongo| | i experienced it with the 1vs1 league, each end of month it's a bit messy |
| 13:08.25 | |zongo| | what i suggest is to have at least 2 weeks break between two tournaments |
| 13:08.34 | |zongo| | 1 month is even better |
| 13:08.50 | |zongo| | so u can decide and talk about issues of the previous tournament |
| 13:09.00 | |zongo| | and introduce new rules if needed |
| 13:09.07 | |zongo| | and people might team if they want |
| 13:09.18 | |zongo| | might change* team |
| 13:09.27 | |zongo| | my suggestions are: |
| 13:09.46 | |zongo| | either 2 tournaments per year of 5 months each with 1 month break between them |
| 13:10.07 | |zongo| | or 3 tournaments of 3 months each with 1 month break |
| 13:10.44 | |zongo| | *blank* |
| 13:11.10 | |zongo| | It is also important not to change too many things at the begininng of the new league |
| 13:11.24 | |zongo| | people would get lost otherwise |
| 13:11.31 | |zongo| | --- |
| 13:11.39 | |zongo| | Concerning activity/inactivity |
| 13:11.48 | |zongo| | i may repeat myself but |
| 13:12.03 | |zongo| | DO NOT punish inactivity |
| 13:12.13 | |zongo| | but reward activity |
| 13:12.37 | |zongo| | the point ladder i experienced on the 1vs1 league works fine imo |
| 13:13.22 | |zongo| | Ah and about the break mentioned before: teams could still match but they wont get points for the tournament, only their ELO will change |
| 13:13.39 | |zongo| | --- |
| 13:13.45 | |zongo| | Concerning players: |
| 13:14.05 | |zongo| | IMO it is important to record who played a game |
| 13:14.21 | |zongo| | and to vote for a mvp each game |
| 13:14.45 | |zongo| | It can also be a nice thing to have a CTF stats for players |
| 13:15.05 | |zongo| | number of flags captured by a player during a game |
| 13:15.18 | |zongo| | but at one condition |
| 13:15.47 | |zongo| | Games should be declared won at 10 flags like in the 1vs1 league |
| 13:15.59 | |zongo| | I insist on this point |
| 13:16.15 | |zongo| | I felt very bad the first time that i lost 23-0 vs VBZ |
| 13:16.33 | |zongo| | and many new teams just quit the league coz they get pwned |
| 13:17.06 | |zongo| | if the firts team that reaches 10 wins, this wont happen |
| 13:17.21 | |zongo| | s/firts/first |
| 13:17.45 | |zongo| | I looked all the played games in the league |
| 13:17.48 | SportChick | (even though I'm silent, I'm listening) |
| 13:18.05 | |zongo| | and normally the even scores are low (the best i saw is 7-7) |
| 13:18.44 | |zongo| | i saw 9-8 once but thats the best close score that was registered |
| 13:19.00 | |zongo| | so setting 10 as a limit seems reasonable |
| 13:19.38 | |zongo| | --- |
| 13:19.50 | |zongo| | About game duration: |
| 13:20.24 | |zongo| | what i fear is that if the point system is adopted then the teams will only play 15 min matches and try to match as much as possible |
| 13:20.54 | |zongo| | Unless the suggestion to weight wins with respect to lenght of the game is adopted |
| 13:21.17 | |zongo| | But imo, to have a good league, it's important to have simple rules |
| 13:21.40 | |zongo| | It's nice to have flexible time, but it might be confusing |
| 13:22.10 | |zongo| | anyways the solution of 10 flags might help to solve this problem as well |
| 13:22.44 | |zongo| | I wouldnt allow 15 min matches, but stickk either to 20 or 30 min (i prefer 20) |
| 13:23.04 | |zongo| | maybe one could give a try to the 20/30 min option |
| 13:23.20 | |zongo| | but remember, the more rules u have the more difficulties u'll encounter |
| 13:23.43 | |zongo| | --- |
| 13:29.09 | |zongo| | Ah of course for the seasonal league there could be another (actually many other) possibility |
| 13:29.27 | |zongo| | one could do 2 tournaments of 4 months each and a big break in the middle |
| 13:29.46 | |zongo| | and in the summer make a nice Championship (like the 1vs1 i organised) |
| 13:30.53 | |zongo| | In this Championship teams could be created on the fly, not necessarly according to the ctf teams |
| 13:31.31 | |zongo| | but i dunno if this would be part of the league or not (could be attached to it) |
| 13:32.39 | |zongo| | After thinking about it i thought that a 2 months tournament is really too short |
| 13:33.12 | |zongo| | having 5 winners per year is maybe too much as well |
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| 13:33.40 | |zongo| | --- |
| 13:33.46 | |zongo| | About the DLC: |
| 13:34.32 | |zongo| | allow extraordinary members (like me ;) ) who could access #duccouncil and share their ideas :P |
| 13:35.04 | SportChick | lol |
| 13:35.50 | |zongo| | i think thats it for the moment |
| 13:35.56 | |zongo| | thx for listening SportChick |
| 13:36.02 | SportChick | (just as a side note - that is the intent of ##ducleague - so anyone (especially extraordinary members) can join and share their ieads |
| 13:36.18 | SportChick | my pleasure |
| 13:36.25 | SportChick | I'll do my best to get your ideas posted |
| 13:36.38 | |zongo| | SportChick, it's quite different to share it there or on #duccouncil |
| 13:36.39 | SportChick | (if I get anything wrong, let me know) :) |
| 13:36.50 | |zongo| | (sure i will:) |
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| 20:14.38 | |zongo| | essy, thx for the posts, it's great |
| 20:17.35 | essy | |zongo|: oh, good! |
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| 21:44.07 | Blue_Eyes | hi all |
| 21:44.16 | Blue_Eyes | !zongo! :ping |
| 21:44.19 | |zongo| | ciao |
| 21:44.25 | Blue_Eyes | hey ciao bello :) |
| 21:44.29 | |zongo| | ;O) |
| 21:44.32 | Blue_Eyes | sei sul gioco? |
| 21:44.37 | |zongo| | arrivi solo ora?! |
| 21:44.41 | |zongo| | no, non piu |
| 21:44.44 | Blue_Eyes | si purtroppo :( |
| 21:44.47 | |zongo| | sono stanco morto |
| 21:44.50 | Blue_Eyes | hehe |
| 21:44.55 | |zongo| | ho giocato parecchio oggi ;) |
| 21:45.01 | |zongo| | ero a casa tutto il giorno :P |
| 21:45.02 | Blue_Eyes | bravo bravo |
| 21:49.44 | |zongo| | dai io vado a letto...ciao Blue_Eyes ci becchiamo domani in giornata magari |