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| 00:02.08 | dondelelcaro | solrize: I would expect that to not be a problem on ext4 |
| 00:02.34 | dondelelcaro | 500K files is a lot, but it's not an uncommon thing |
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| 00:05.23 | solrize | ext4 bogged down and xfs also seems to be bogging down, i have about 57k so far and it's slowed down considerably |
| 00:05.36 | solrize | will see what happens around 100k i guess |
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| 00:09.19 | solrize | hmm actually seems kind of cpu bound in the unarchiver so maybe it is ok after all |
| 00:09.37 | somiaj | are these files larege or small? |
| 00:09.42 | solrize | a few MB each |
| 00:09.45 | solrize | varies |
| 00:09.55 | solrize | about 80GB total uncompressed |
| 00:10.03 | solrize | from maybe 100K to 10M depending |
| 00:10.16 | somiaj | is xfs working better, or could have just been just due to the large number of small things, the cpu has been the bottle neck even with ext4? |
| 00:10.58 | solrize | i think it was slower with ext4 but not sure, i gave up pretty quickly and did some hack to move files out of the target directory while they were being created, and that helped a lot but was a nuisance |
| 00:11.03 | PMT | What are the half a million files, out of curiosity? |
| 00:11.14 | dondelelcaro | solrize: ah; well, there's the theoretical performance limit (something like for a in seq 1 500000; touch $a; done; ), and then there's the actual performance that you'll get while moving the files |
| 00:11.28 | dondelelcaro | but dir_index fixed most of the bad performance issues |
| 00:11.29 | solrize | moving files = just overwriting directory entries |
| 00:11.34 | solrize | what is dir_index? |
| 00:11.41 | PMT | an ext[34] feature. |
| 00:11.44 | dondelelcaro | !dir_index |
| 00:11.53 | dondelelcaro | hrm; no factoid |
| 00:11.57 | solrize | the 500k files are a fanfiction archive, https://ff2ebook.com torrent link at top of page |
| 00:12.06 | solrize | oh is there something i have to do to enable dir_index? |
| 00:12.11 | PMT | oh that archive |
| 00:12.12 | dondelelcaro | nope; it's enabled by default |
| 00:12.15 | solrize | nice |
| 00:12.31 | dondelelcaro | [at least, assuming this is ext4 and relatively recently created] |
| 00:12.40 | solrize | pmt yeah i convered it all to text files and am trying to deduplicate it and upload to archive.org |
| 00:12.40 | dondelelcaro | (like past 10 years) |
| 00:12.47 | solrize | yeah this is on hetzner cloud |
| 00:12.51 | solrize | i.e. recent |
| 00:13.44 | PMT | Have you looked at the FF archives already on archive.org? |
| 00:14.31 | solrize | yeah there are some there but this is not there i'm pretty sure |
| 00:14.43 | solrize | although i don't know how to find all of them |
| 00:14.52 | solrize | hmm maybe i should have looked harder |
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| 00:15.55 | solrize | it does seem to be slowing down more and more |
| 00:16.20 | solrize | currently at 79k+- |
| 00:16.24 | PMT | That does make sense, even a hashtable is going to have to grow periodically. |
| 00:16.45 | PMT | (Or want to, I should say.) |
| 00:16.50 | solrize | yeah but this seems to be slowing down linearly with size, not good |
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| 00:25.00 | ryouma | fyi, with thtat many files in ext3, the fs got corrupted. at that time i was new and did not report it. |
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| 00:42.17 | solrize | ok i'm doing the thing again of moving the newly created files to other directories |
| 00:42.21 | solrize | which helped a lot |
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| 00:56.54 | ryouma | so moving back is fast? |
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| 01:00.22 | solrize | it takes about 1 minute to move 10k files from the old directory to a new one |
| 01:00.42 | solrize | so i have a script that monitors the size of the unarchiving directory and when it's about 11000, it makes a new dir and moves 10k out |
| 01:01.00 | solrize | it's all pretty lame but this really speeds it up a lot |
| 01:01.35 | solrize | i was kind of tempted to spin up a 128gb ram machine and do this on a ramdisk but $$$ |
| 01:02.19 | solrize | especially at hetzner, their big machines are dedicated cpu and expensive |
| 01:03.33 | solrize | i guess i could have done this a bit differently and saved some time at the expense of more hassle, but this should finish extracting in 90 minutes or so |
| 01:03.43 | solrize | without the file move script it would be 5+ hours |
| 01:04.47 | solrize | even 10000 files is slowed down compared to say 1000 |
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| 01:04.58 | solrize | but i figure i want the total # of archives to be manageable |
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| 01:07.02 | PMT | solrize: old data, but https://lwn.net/Articles/400629/ |
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| 01:12.04 | solrize | hmm that's not about a single dir, but interesting it says xfs is slow and uses more ram |
| 01:12.14 | solrize | oh well this is a pretty temporary thing |
| 01:12.57 | PMT | also RAM is cheap now compared to 2010 :P |
| 01:13.38 | solrize | i have to recreate a few of the split (10k file) archives that i trashed by accident, and want to make a de-duplicated archive which uncompressed is about half the size of the original |
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| 01:44.14 | cybrNaut | why does sgdisk have a partition type of "8302 Linux /home"? |
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| 01:44.47 | cybrNaut | that's bizarre isn't it? How would that differ from a simple "8300 Linux filesystem" partition? |
| 01:45.37 | cybrNaut | there is also "8304 Linux x86-64 root (/)" as a filesystem *type* |
| 01:45.52 | PMT | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table check out that nonsense |
| 01:48.12 | cybrNaut | wow.. and i see no rationale for it |
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| 01:48.53 | cybrNaut | IIUC, i could create a partition of type "8302 Linux /home", and then mount it as "/etc", no? |
| 01:49.07 | PMT | sure. |
| 01:49.22 | PMT | Just like you could make an MBR partition labeled FAT32 and put ZFS on it. |
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| 01:50.48 | PMT | ... |
| 01:50.51 | PMT | god fucking damn it |
| 01:50.56 | PMT | i found the reason |
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| 01:52.01 | PMT | https://systemd.io/DISCOVERABLE_PARTITIONS/ |
| 01:52.30 | cybrNaut | the wiki says there is a "linux /boot" partition type, but sgdisk doesn't offer it. now what? |
| 01:52.36 | PMT | (it's not actually that bad, I'm just upset to find that answer in a question about partition tables) |
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| 01:55.07 | PMT | cybrNaut: A) as remarked, these are basically optional in nearly every circumstance, and B) https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-gpt-auto-generator.html says the general "/boot" is called Extended Boot Loader Partition, unless i'm very much misreading it. |
| 01:57.39 | somiaj | are the partitions mounted? |
| 01:58.03 | somiaj | oh wait, nevermind, I guess gpt has a lot more fancy partition type names. |
| 01:58.08 | cybrNaut | sgdisk --list-types has only boot partitions for BSD, ONIE, PowerPC, & BIOS |
| 01:58.22 | PMT | it has basically arbitrary GUIDs for them. |
| 01:58.25 | ryouma | in my cursory attempts, i found sgdisk to be insufficiently scriptable, at least in that you can't trivially store it and then apply it to a differently sized disk |
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| 02:00.41 | cybrNaut | ryouma: looks like it can't do percentages, which would indeed complicate scripting for different size drives. |
| 02:01.39 | ryouma | i think i'd be ok with just "rest of disk" for the last partition |
| 02:02.19 | ryouma | i suppose it is useful for sysadmin with identical machines all over the place or so? |
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| 02:03.36 | cybrNaut | ryouma: sgdisk does let you create a /rest of disk/ partition |
| 02:04.13 | cybrNaut | e.g. --new=5:0:0 (if the last partition is the 5th one |
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| 02:05.15 | ryouma | interesting. i guess my sfdisk knowledge such as it was needs updating (sfdisk does not have --new option). |
| 02:05.33 | cybrNaut | ryouma: not sfdisk, sgdisk |
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| 02:06.32 | ryouma | that's what i meant. i didn't know that sgdisk had new features. |
| 02:06.34 | cybrNaut | sfdisk requires supplying full detail AFAIK |
| 02:07.01 | ryouma | i hsould have said sfdisk |
| 02:07.03 | cybrNaut | sgdisk offers sensible defaults |
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| 02:10.30 | dvs | you still transfering files from your /home directory? |
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| 02:14.13 | cybrNaut | "8303 Linux x86 root (/) 8304 Linux x86-64 root (/)" <= so there's even a need for architecture distinction? that has to be a screw up |
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| 02:17.58 | PMT | cybrNaut: the thing I linked above explains it, the notion was being able to arrange the partitions in the right places purely based on architectural hints and the typing |
| 02:22.17 | cybrNaut | fuck me.. sgdisk also can't handle writing to sector 34. that seems to be a unique capability of parted, which has absurdly broken documentation |
| 02:23.10 | cybrNaut | unless cfdisk can handle sector 34, i'm stuck with parted |
| 02:23.26 | PMT | I don't think it can, but I also didn't think parted could, so. |
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| 02:26.38 | cybrNaut | it's funny that parted handles the job, then when I do a "sfdisk -d" it correctly dumps the layout, but when I feed that dump back into sfdisk it gives "out of range" |
| 02:27.48 | PMT | Why is that surprising? |
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| 02:30.33 | cybrNaut | it's a bug to say the least |
| 02:30.58 | cybrNaut | the spec allows sector 34 to 2047 to be used |
| 02:32.05 | PMT | It seems like it's by design. |
| 02:32.46 | cybrNaut | it's a broken design then |
| 02:33.12 | another| | I seem to remembe having used those sectors. lemme check |
| 02:33.54 | PMT | I'm not weighing in on the correctness of the behavior, just that it doesn't seem accidental. |
| 02:36.31 | another| | sgdisk --largest-new=2 --typecode=2:8300 --change-name=2:"Linux /boot" /dev/... && sgdisk --new=1:34:2047 --typecode=1:ef02 --change-name=1:"BIOS boot partition" /dev/... |
| 02:36.32 | cybrNaut | it's most likely sloppy. They want to protect users from shooting themselves in the foot, but they didn't do the extra work of writing the logic to check whether sector 34 to 2047 is spanned by a BIOS BOOT partition without, and without overstepping. So they said "fuck it.. call it a day" |
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| 02:38.41 | cybrNaut | another|: that would be rejected |
| 02:39.14 | cybrNaut | this is my sample code: sgdisk --clear --new=1:34:2047 -c 1:"BIOS boot" --typecode=1:$(sgdisk --list-types | sed -ne 's/.*\(....\).bios.*/\1/gip') /dev/sdb |
| 02:39.44 | another| | hmm.. works pretty well in my script. notice the order. first creating partition 2, then 1 |
| 02:39.46 | cybrNaut | i get "Information: Moved requested sector from 34 to 2048 in order to align on 2048-sector boundaries. Could not create partition 1 from 34 to 2047" |
| 02:40.46 | another| | might also work with setting -a |
| 02:42.10 | ryouma | i occasionally partition new drives. i have an old computer and will get drives that might be external or internal at some point or might be used on a new computer. if i want to put enough partitions at the beginning to deal with various mbr gpt bios uefi whatevers, i.e. enough partitions that i can use for whatever purposes are needed for that stuff, what is the number of such partitions that i would need? |
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| 02:43.08 | cybrNaut | wtf.. the docs don't say the order of args matters. There's no reason that should work differently. The fact that we are forced to specify partition number for every option implies that arg order is moot. But indeed, when i specify partition 2 before 1, sgdisk accepts it |
| 02:45.48 | cybrNaut | another|: how did you know to specify partition 2 before 1? |
| 02:46.40 | PMT | The only comments in parted's source about the restriction point to a Microsoft KB about having changed the default alignment of the first partition starting in Vista, but not why "1 MB" was chosen. |
| 02:47.53 | another| | cybrNaut: figured it out. `sgdisk --clear -a 1 -n 1:34:2047 -t 1:ef02 -c 1:"BIOS boot" /dev..` |
| 02:48.31 | another| | seems the order matters. specify alignment before `-n` |
| 02:49.08 | another| | cybrNaut: trial and error ;) |
| 02:50.14 | cybrNaut | ah, so i could perhaps do -a 1 -n 1:34:2047 ... -a 2048 -n 2:0:0 ... |
| 02:52.34 | cybrNaut | yeah, that works. but it's still unclear why flipping the order should make a difference.. that should fail on the basis of alignment as well |
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| 02:55.46 | cybrNaut | the inconsistencies of all the [f/g/cf/sf/sg]disk tools is maddening. |
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| 02:56.06 | cybrNaut | sgdisk allows a partition label to have a space, but the others do not |
| 02:59.03 | PMT | Well, when people independently reimplement the wheel or fork other tools, ... |
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| 03:14.32 | cybrNaut | PMT: i just noticed the docs of sfdisk actually say "It is recommended to save the layout of your devices. sfdisk supports two ways." .. "Use the --dump option to save a description of the device layout to a text file." .. "This can later be restored by: sfdisk /dev/sda < sda.dump" |
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| 03:15.29 | PMT | sounds like a question for the developers |
| 03:15.31 | cybrNaut | since it's claimed to be a backup / restore function, the fact that it chokes on its own dump is a bug as well |
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| 04:08.08 | ryouma | rephrasing: i have an old computer and will get drives that might be external or internal at some point and will also be used on a new computer. i want to put enough 1gb partitions at the beginning to deal with various mbr gpt bios uefi whatevers (gpt stuff, bios boot partition, whatever is needed for uefi, etc. -- i am ignorant), but idk what things are needed. to be safe, do i need 1, 2, 3, 4 such partitions? |
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| 04:11.07 | somiaj | ryouma: UFI is actually fairly easy, with a GTP partition you need one vfat EFI partition, I wuld say 256-512MB is fine, and then all other paritions can be whatever you want them to be |
| 04:11.41 | somiaj | cybrNaut has some very special use case, such as trying to get legacy boot working on GPT partitions, which requires a bit more work. |
| 04:12.13 | somiaj | at least I think that is party of that, also they want encryption and a bunch of other things, but depending on your use case, UEFI + GPT is fairly straight forward and easy, nothing really special to deal with. |
| 04:12.36 | somiaj | I personally suggest use MBR for legacy boot, and GPT for UEFI just to make life easier. |
| 04:13.05 | ryouma | my current computer is bios. idk what my new computer is, but it might be uefi. i think i will start with the drive being external. |
| 04:14.22 | somiaj | most computers in the last at least 5 years will support uefi and legacy, and I suggest uefi, I find it much nicer |
| 04:14.29 | ryouma | this is a much older computer |
| 04:14.58 | somiaj | even up to 10 years you can still get uefi support, I think I switched to uefi about 10 years ago, but somewhere (my memeory is bad) it got to be hit and miss |
| 04:15.01 | ryouma | the booting software says nothing about uefi at least |
| 04:15.32 | sney | I discovered today that my current desktop, with a motherboard made in 2012, has uefi support. I guess it's debian that didn't have support back then because the install is bios, but uefi certainly isn't new anymore. |
| 04:15.34 | ryouma | this is like a 2008 computer |
| 04:15.47 | somiaj | I was be really conservaitve with 5 years for safety, but yea if you only have legacy boot, go with mbr |
| 04:16.03 | somiaj | I think the biggest limitation you get is 2TB partition limits, but you can have multiple partitions that size |
| 04:16.23 | ryouma | oh great i thought it was the whole drive |
| 04:16.28 | somiaj | as I would avoid trying to do legacy mbr boot on a gpt partition table if you can, it is possible but imo not worth the effort. |
| 04:16.45 | somiaj | I think it is per primary partition (so maybe only 4 of those) |
| 04:16.55 | somiaj | Unsure if logical paritions can each be 2tb or not |
| 04:17.03 | ryouma | but i'd want to put an extra partition for that vfat for later conversino to gpt or so? and add space at end for the extra gpt partition thingie? |
| 04:17.06 | sney | lvm probably bypasses it too |
| 04:17.56 | somiaj | I don't think you can really convert that easilly, or at least I haven't seen much on this. You will have to rebuild the partition table / filesystems if you want to switch |
| 04:18.07 | ryouma | ok |
| 04:18.27 | ryouma | so just do mbr and then will it run on an uefi computer? |
| 04:19.03 | somiaj | sney: I think what tooke me the longest to switch to uefi was wanting to also switch to gpt partition tables, so eventally had to get a live system to copy over my old install |
| 04:19.33 | somiaj | just took a bit of work because I didn't want to install fresh, instead keep upgrading my install from like 2006 when I swithced to amd64 from i386 |
| 04:19.46 | sney | ryouma: depending on age, the uefi computer will most likely have a bios/legacy/csm mode that you can use. |
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| 04:20.02 | ryouma | ok so i guess i don |
| 04:20.07 | sney | some new machines have gotten rid of CSM but I think it's just the cutting edge stuff. |
| 04:20.08 | ryouma | t need extra partitions then |
| 04:20.17 | ryouma | csm? |
| 04:20.45 | somiaj | ryouma: yea, I think you are over thinking it. In general legacy boot + mbr, or uefi + gpt, and currently the majority of machines support both. |
| 04:20.47 | sney | "compatibility support module", the bios/legacy uefi thing. |
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| 04:21.10 | somiaj | Unsure if/how quickly firmware will stop supporting it. Probably as long as it doesn't take to much effort to include it. |
| 04:21.27 | ryouma | ok |
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| 04:23.04 | ryouma | so for a brand new computer i'd hve to be aware that i can't trivially just use my old drives |
| 04:23.26 | somiaj | I woudln't worry about it unless you are buying really specialize mobo |
| 04:23.39 | ryouma | ok |
| 04:23.40 | sney | it's something to research and make sure, is all |
| 04:23.44 | somiaj | I just got a brand new gaming board for a ryzen 7, and it still supports legacy boot |
| 04:23.46 | ryouma | does internal vs. external make any difference to any of this? |
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| 04:24.04 | sney | it shouldn't |
| 04:24.55 | somiaj | Yea, mbr partition table support is not going anywhere, it is only legacy boot that may be slowly phased out, but I don't see it happeneing yet |
| 04:25.06 | ruslan | https://termbin.com/55eq is it known bug? |
| 04:25.21 | somiaj | ruslan: know bugs will be in the BTS, have you looked there? |
| 04:25.24 | sney | ,v mypaint |
| 04:25.25 | judd | Package: mypaint on amd64 -- jessie: 1.1.0-3; buster: 1.2.0-4.1; stretch: 1.2.0-4.1; bullseye: 2.0.1-2; sid: 2.0.1-2 |
| 04:26.10 | somiaj | ruslan: what is the output of 'apt cache policy' and 'apt cache policy mypaint mypaint-data' |
| 04:27.03 | outoftime | somiaj: I have already installed mypaint-data by hand, will it be ok if I'll remove it and try your commands? |
| 04:27.20 | somiaj | outoftime: just share the output, dont install/remove anything |
| 04:27.29 | somiaj | outoftime: all that does is give info, it does nothing to your system |
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| 04:31.32 | outoftime | https://termbin.com/19dp https://termbin.com/1lbdu |
| 04:32.51 | somiaj | outoftime: and you still get that error even after you install mypaint-data? |
| 04:32.58 | outoftime | somiaj: I have installed mypaint, it just looks like mypaint-data didn't get installled automatically |
| 04:33.50 | outoftime | I just wanted to report a possible problem. |
| 04:34.23 | somiaj | You do have a few thrid party repos, this can due to dependency trees make things harder for apt to solve certain trees |
| 04:34.58 | somiaj | the fact that install mypaint-data was able to fix it is where I would stop. |
| 04:35.34 | somiaj | Personally I would try to reproduce this in a fresh debian buster chroot that has none of your third party repos, because with the info given it is hard to say if this is reproudciable using only debian sources or what the conflict that confused apt was. |
| 04:35.50 | somiaj | That is if you cared enough to see if this issue effects debian with only debian sources. |
| 04:36.22 | outoftime | I have live but with stretch on it |
| 04:37.00 | somiaj | chroots are quick to build with debootstrap, I might have one floating around. |
| 04:37.23 | outoftime | somiaj: yes, I have just remembered that too |
| 04:38.01 | somiaj | fwiw, on my buster vm I have no issue installing mypaint, but there are lots of libs it depends on |
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| 04:38.28 | somiaj | maybe you had some issue with one of those libs and some of the third party sources, but installing mypaint-data directly was enough to figure out how to deal with it |
| 04:39.00 | somiaj | Anyways to me this is more an issue with your third party sources than debian, but the sources there seem reasonable, just sometimes apt will have a harder time with dependency trees as a result. |
| 04:40.45 | somiaj | If you wanted to share the log of installing mypaint-data in /var/log/apt/history.log, I might be able to figure out which libary |
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| 04:46.12 | outoftime | somiaj: https://termbin.com/1dal |
| 04:46.56 | somiaj | ,v libmypaint-1.3-0 |
| 04:46.57 | judd | Package: libmypaint-1.3-0 on amd64 -- buster: 1.3.0-2.1; buster-multimedia: 1:1.3.0-dmo6 |
| 04:47.46 | somiaj | Remove: gimp:amd64 (2.10.8-2), libmypaint-1.3-0:amd64 (1.3.0-2.1), libmypaint-common:amd64 (1.3.0-2.1) -- one of those was probably the issue, but not sure why |
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| 04:50.21 | somiaj | libmypaint-common conflicts with mypaint-data, and guess apt didn't want to remove gimp which depends on libmypaint |
| 04:51.45 | somiaj | outoftime: you might want to notice that gimp was removed, looks like you can't have mypaint and gimp installed at the same time due to this conflict. I'm unsure why this conflict exists, but it appears https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/mypaint and https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/libmypaint are two different sources that may share some common files, so you can't have both isntalled at the same time |
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| 04:52.42 | outoftime | weird |
| 04:53.32 | outoftime | I have installed it manually |
| 04:54.11 | outoftime | somiaj: or you just mean that apt can't figure out what to do? |
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| 04:54.18 | somiaj | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=958453 |
| 04:54.19 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/958453 in mypaint-data (open, d-i): «mypaint-data: conflict with gimp»; severity: normal; opened: 2020-04-22; last modified: 2020-05-01. |
| 04:54.58 | outoftime | nice |
| 04:55.00 | somiaj | for some reason (not quite sure) the debian packages mypaint and libmypaint cannot both be installed at the same time, so you have to choose between mypaint or gimp |
| 04:55.24 | somiaj | apt just got confused because of this conflict and that is why you had trouble. |
| 04:55.24 | apt | that's too long, somiaj |
| 04:55.49 | somiaj | yea, seems this is jsut an issue in buster, bullseye won't have this conflict anymore |
| 04:55.50 | outoftime | "This bug has been fixed in Debian Testing and Unstable with new upstream |
| 04:55.55 | somiaj | Yup |
| 04:55.57 | outoftime | releases." this is pleasant to know |
| 04:56.47 | somiaj | I'm still a bit surprsied that apt couldn't figure out to remove libmypaint and gimp without installing mypaint-data manually, but sometimes conflicts like that apt can't decide what is best when they are a bit down the dependecy tree |
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| 08:29.18 | hegemoOn | so are you moving to libera ? |
| 08:29.30 | hegemoOn | when debian 11 will be officially out ? |
| 08:29.35 | jelly | !wwbr |
| 08:29.35 | dpkg | Now Debian "Bullseye" is the current testing branch as of 2019-07-06 and it will be released "when it's ready." |
| 08:30.04 | hegemoOn | end of may was a target isn't it ? |
| 08:30.11 | jelly | it was not |
| 08:30.21 | jelly | Debian does not have timed releases |
| 08:31.33 | jelly | if you want to guess, the release is ready when the number of release-critical bugs falls to zero |
| 08:31.35 | jelly | !rc bugs |
| 08:31.36 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are Debian bugs with critical, grave or serious severities, preventing the next release of Debian. See the graph at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ or the lists at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/all.html http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?release=bullseye&patch=ign&pending=ign&merged=ign&done=ign&rc=1 . See also <rc-alert>. |
| 08:33.10 | jelly | hegemoOn, it's too early to say what will remain of Debian unofficial presence on freenode; the OFFICIAL #debian is on irc.debian.org (= irc.oftc.net) and has been there for 15 years now. |
| 08:34.08 | jelly | so hop over to OFTC for your debian needs, that's where all the developers have been hanging out anyway |
| 08:34.58 | GreenBean | OFTC was the first time everybody got pissed off at Freenode |
| 08:35.00 | Iridos | 15 years! Seems like yesterday |
| 08:35.07 | GreenBean | no it doesn't lol |
| 08:35.25 | GreenBean | this time is different though |
| 08:35.49 | GreenBean | Honestly OFTC and Libera.Chat should just merge |
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| 08:36.00 | GreenBean | it's much of the same staff anyways |
| 08:36.05 | jelly | maybe it's good to have free options |
| 08:36.06 | GreenBean | but I guess its easy to connect to both so who ares |
| 08:36.08 | GreenBean | yeah |
| 08:36.29 | GreenBean | I remember this channel #debian when it was OpenProjectsNet wow |
| 08:36.34 | GreenBean | I think I have logs from back then too |
| 08:36.37 | GreenBean | 2001 or so |
| 08:37.30 | jelly | I lost all my logs before 2012 :-\ |
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| 08:37.52 | Iridos | "lost" |
| 08:37.54 | jelly | and haven't really been present on freenode before 2005 or so |
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| 08:40.19 | ksk | soo, I went from screen to tmux some time ago, what is the adequate replacement for Irssi? Should it be replaced at all? (Gotta admit it does work, and you can get basicly anything you want into it, but most of times I have to join #irssi to do anything advanced, so there is that..) |
| 08:40.25 | H4ndy | I always tell myself that I need to take care of logs but haven't once needed to search them for somewthing in like 20 years of IRC usage |
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| 08:41.43 | SymbioticFemale | oh i forgot to fix the spelling error |
| 08:41.45 | tarzeau_ | ksk: i still keep using screen+irssi |
| 08:41.51 | SymbioticFemale | s/shitposting/shipposting/ |
| 08:42.50 | tarzeau_ | I'm unsinkable >()_ (__) |
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| 08:44.38 | xormor | what is happening in FreeNode right now? |
| 08:44.44 | xormor | and to FreeNode? |
| 08:44.46 | SymbioticFemale | shipposting |
| 08:44.50 | SymbioticFemale | sinking |
| 08:45.39 | jelly | pro tip: don't do that |
| 08:46.06 | SymbioticFemale | jelly: i own #debian on libera and i'm not giving you ops unless you permit shipposting here. |
| 08:47.08 | jelly | I'm not in the mood, play somewhere else please |
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| 08:51.55 | jelly | ksk, irssi ought to work in any terminal or terminal emulator or terminal multiplexer |
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| 08:56.17 | EdePopede | i've noticed some shifting issues with Gomuks in xterm+screen, but not in plain screen. i bet it's something with the UTF-8 it uses, but maybe just ANSI sequences. what about irssi (and maybe weechat)? |
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| 08:56.42 | ksk | ,info gomuks |
| 08:56.43 | judd | No package named 'gomuks' was found in buster/amd64. |
| 08:56.57 | ksk | "A terminal Matrix client written in Go using mautrix and mauview." |
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| 09:03.14 | EdePopede | didn't check its sources, no idea what it actually uses. only i never had similar issues with vim or mc or aptitude or whatever |
| 09:03.33 | EdePopede | mauview? sounds like a start. |
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| 09:04.01 | EdePopede | based on tcell, rings a bell i think |
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| 09:12.21 | jsync | I extended my var directory with a 4tb hdd mounted in an external case, & I then mounted it in the internal machine, & now it can't boot the os, not actually. |
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| 09:13.30 | jsync | I'm trying to setup an extended var directory for my local network apache server. |
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| 09:18.20 | ksk | put it back into the external case ;) |
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| 09:19.10 | ksk | also, what do you mean by "extinding your var directoy"? What kind of mechanism did you use to archive that? |
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| 09:19.43 | ksk | sounds like some form of "JBOD" to me? but which one? :> |
| 09:20.27 | Lope | is zram-tools package purely to automate /etc/default/zramswap? |
| 09:20.34 | Lope | or are there other "tools" ? |
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| 09:24.35 | jelly | jsync, what do you mean by "extended my var directory" precisely in terms of configuration changes done? |
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| 09:50.50 | bittin | Ordered a Debian t-shirt now during the hack weekend |
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| 10:55.14 | oxek | this doesn't have a CVE assigned, but is it fixed in rxvt in buster? https://huumeet.info/~def/rxvt0day/ |
| 10:55.19 | EmleyMoor | There seems to be an increase in traffic to the Internet through my Debian-based router since a little before 01:00 UTC today... what's a good way to see where that is coming from within my network? |
| 10:56.24 | petn-randall | EmleyMoor: wireshark? Or tshark. |
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| 10:57.24 | EmleyMoor | Need a "starting point" to look at |
| 10:58.37 | petn-randall | EmleyMoor: iftop also works. You can group by source/destination IP. |
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| 11:03.35 | funabashi | sudo not exists in debian 10 ? |
| 11:04.03 | PMT | Sure it does. |
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| 11:06.46 | EmleyMoor | Blimey, it's heavy IPv6 traffic from my phone! |
| 11:07.17 | PMT | Quick, bury your phone and salt the earth, it's the only way to be sure! |
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| 11:07.54 | EmleyMoor | Powered it off and my graph has gone down steeply. Let's see what happens when I restore it |
| 11:10.56 | petn-randall | EmleyMoor: I'd check the endpoints it's trying to reach. Likely an OTA update it's just downloading in the background. |
| 11:11.22 | EmleyMoor | Google - but for 10 solid hours! |
| 11:11.54 | petn-randall | funabashi: If you set a root password during installation, your primary user does not get root privileges. If you don't set the root password, your primary user is added to sudo and sudo is installed. |
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| 11:33.41 | yans | Hello |
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| 11:44.10 | bittin | hi |
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| 12:26.32 | dob1 | there will be a migration to the new server? |
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| 12:29.05 | jelly | dob1, #debian* has really moved to OFTC way back in 2006, this channel was an unofficial official channel |
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| 12:29.54 | jelly | dob1, so until we figure out where things are going with freenode and libera.chat, OFTC is the safe, sane, secure place to /join #debian |
| 12:33.12 | dob1 | jelly, just a my opinion but I suppose most of the ppl consider this one the official one |
| 12:34.02 | f00 | 34/40 official chans migrated to libera for me. at this rate. this is where freenode is going |
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| 12:36.20 | dob1 | f00, some of the big ones too? |
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| 12:44.38 | f00 | dob1: nearly all of the big ones. waiting for last 2 to announce, before accdrop |
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| 12:57.03 | jelly | I'm seeing many migrate to libera, some to OFTC, some deliberating, occasional "we're on Matrix now" craziness |
| 12:58.22 | jelly | #debian and #debian-offtopic is in the third group, and it would REALLY be the easiest thing for us to finish the bloody migration to OFTC that started 15 years ago |
| 12:58.31 | jelly | but I'll note we did set up a #debian presence on libera.chat preemptively. |
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| 13:00.48 | f00 | from the ones i am on, ~90% of them went with libera, ~3 to oftc, 1 to discord. none of them chose matrix |
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| 13:06.10 | oxek | I'm getting more and more open to moving to OFTC, don't really see why people moved onto a whole new network instead. |
| 13:06.23 | oxek | I might even switch ISPs to be able to connect to OFTC |
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| 13:11.01 | jelly | moving to OFTC would have likely been a more complex deal due to channel policy differences, and not easily done on a short notice |
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| 13:12.02 | oxek | jelly: are you aware of any nice writeup somewhere that would document the differences between freenode & oftc, with respect to channel policies and other things? |
| 13:12.27 | jelly | sadly no |
| 13:12.45 | oxek | yeah, I too tried looking for such a document but didn't find anything |
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| 13:13.59 | PMT | You could always examine the policies and write one. :) |
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| 13:15.57 | oxek | but that's effort :) I like to diff things and the policies don't look diffable. |
| 13:16.11 | oxek | country laws should be diffable too |
| 13:16.32 | oxek | or at the very least already exist in their entirety in some publicly accessbile document online |
| 13:16.47 | oxek | put laws in a git repo |
| 13:18.05 | PMT | that would be...quite nontrivial to maintain. |
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| 13:20.42 | oxek | then at least for once they'd have to do some actual work for our taxes |
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| 14:26.55 | urgodfather | hello all, im struggling to create a pseudo interface. i've tried both a virtual and a dummy with no prevail. will someone pass some insight on this? |
| 14:28.03 | PMT | Information like precisely what you tried, what you want to accomplish, and what happened instead of working would probably be helpful. |
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| 14:30.55 | urgodfather | i've done both ifconfig ens3:0 <ip_here> and nmcli con add type dummy ifname dummy0 ipv4.addresses <ip_here> |
| 14:32.44 | urgodfather | both create an interface as it should but not delivering the desired results. i need to replicate a physical interface as close as possible. i am aware that i will also need to create routing policies for traffic. |
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| 14:34.06 | PMT | what desired results are those? |
| 14:34.28 | urgodfather | replicate a physical interface? |
| 14:34.57 | PMT | Put differently, what aspect of the result are you unhappy with? |
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| 14:38.48 | urgodfather | i need a second interface for a software application. i've tried a virtual, a dummy, and even a vpn interface. none fit the bill. surely this can be done. the interface doesnt require a physical connection, only the capability to be bound to within the software layer. |
| 14:39.34 | PMT | You're still not explaining what it's not doing. |
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| 14:42.58 | urgodfather | i need to bind to it to create an "internal" network as the primary is used for "external" purposes |
| 14:43.24 | PMT | Okay, so what happens when you try? |
| 14:43.44 | urgodfather | not detected on the software layer |
| 14:43.56 | PMT | what isn't, and what layer? |
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| 14:44.21 | urgodfather | the second interface |
| 14:44.58 | urgodfather | layer 7 |
| 14:44.58 | jelly | urgodfather, ens3:0 does not create an interface, it just adds an IP address to an existing one |
| 14:45.35 | jelly | urgodfather, which app, how precisely do you configure it, and how does it fail? |
| 14:45.36 | urgodfather | @jelly thanks for correcting me in that |
| 14:45.51 | urgodfather | freedombox |
| 14:46.21 | jelly | does the ip address need to be accessible from outside this machine? |
| 14:47.29 | urgodfather | the goal will be out of scope for their chain of support, thus, my asking for general guidance or a different approach i may have overlooked |
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| 14:47.50 | urgodfather | @jelly, it does not |
| 14:48.42 | jelly | urgodfather, okay. Do you configure it to listen on an interface, or can you configure it to listen on an ip address instead? |
| 14:50.27 | urgodfather | @jelly what do you mean by "it" |
| 14:50.31 | urgodfather | freedombox? |
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| 14:55.32 | jelly | yes |
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| 14:59.04 | urgodfather | since this is hosted, i cannot get beyond the "external" network. it cant create an "internal" b/c there isnt one. to pacify this, im assimulating the second interface so that i can create that internal network. once done, i can address routing in iptables as needed |
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| 15:04.00 | jelly | I understand very little of that |
| 15:05.09 | urgodfather | want me to spin a vps so you can take a jab at it? i dont mind lol |
| 15:05.43 | urgodfather | alternatively, is there some other approach you can think of to create a second network interface |
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| 15:47.27 | jelly | I'm still not sure what fails if you use a dummy iface or, say, 127.0.0.2 as that "internal" interface address |
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| 15:47.38 | jelly | ,v freedombox |
| 15:47.39 | judd | Package: freedombox on amd64 -- buster: 19.1+deb10u1; buster-proposed-updates: 19.1+deb10u2; buster-backports: 21.4.2~bpo10+1; bullseye: 21.4.2; sid: 21.4.2; experimental: 21.5 |
| 16:00.01 | jsync | @jelly, the system had a debian system installed upon a 1tb hdd with lvm. I then added a 4tb hdd to the var directory. |
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| 16:10.23 | terr | Jsync, what is an lvm? |
| 16:10.37 | karlpinc | !lvm |
| 16:10.37 | dpkg | [lvm] the Linux Logical Volume Manager (http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/). Resources: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, <install using lvm>, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/ IRC: #lvm on irc.freenode.net. |
| 16:10.57 | terr | Ah! Thanks |
| 16:11.17 | PMT | How versatile is that bot's DB? |
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| 16:11.39 | jsync | I'm getting error [DEPEND] Dependency failed to find var. |
| 16:11.41 | karlpinc | !dpkgbot |
| 16:11.42 | dpkg | Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also ask me about <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>. |
| 16:13.46 | PMT | Huh, only 4 MB gzipped. |
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| 16:14.49 | jsync | I guess it has something to do with where the 4tb hdd was mounted when I extended the hdd. Maybe it could be fixed in bios before boot? |
| 16:15.15 | jsync | When I extended the ca |
| 16:15.31 | PMT | I suggest just saying "migrated /var" |
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| 16:15.57 | jsync | ð¤ uhh. Yeah. |
| 16:17.27 | jsync | The var directory within the 1tb hdd volume group was 20gb. I included a 4tb hdd & extended the var lv to 4tb. |
| 16:17.36 | PMT | also, forgive me if I missed it in scrollback jsync, but you get Dependency failed to find var for what? |
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| 16:18.19 | PMT | Oh I see, so you kept the same FS and LV, but added a PV. That makes the failure slightly more fascinating (at least to me) |
| 16:18.26 | jsync | The system can't find the 4tb hdd. |
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| 16:18.52 | jsync | PMT, right. |
| 16:18.59 | PMT | what part of the system? The boot process? apt? Something else? |
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| 16:19.44 | jsync | The system at boot can't find the 4tb pv part of var. |
| 16:20.08 | PMT | And, I presume, halts the boot process? |
| 16:21.55 | jsync | Yeah, it gives me a bunch of [DEPEND] messages & won't boot, not actually. |
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| 16:22.30 | PMT | I'm guessing this is the first time you've rebooted since extending it? |
| 16:24.03 | cybrNaut | are these debootstrap docs correct? => https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/arm64/apds03.en.html |
| 16:24.31 | cybrNaut | it makes no sense to me that you would do "mke2fs -j /dev/sda6" from within chroot |
| 16:24.56 | PMT | it's telling you to do that before you chroot |
| 16:25.10 | PMT | and it says in the line above that it's an example |
| 16:25.12 | cybrNaut | how can you chroot a partition before it has a filesystem? |
| 16:25.45 | PMT | I never said it did, you're the one who claimed it was within the chroot. |
| 16:25.47 | cybrNaut | PMT: it's saying commands that begin with "#" are to be done inside chroot |
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| 16:26.04 | cybrNaut | "$ symbolizes a command to be entered in the user's current system, while # refers to a command entered in the Debian chroot." |
| 16:26.24 | jsync | PMT, Yeah, this actually is the first reboot. |
| 16:26.40 | cybrNaut | that's in the 1st paragraph |
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| 16:27.18 | PMT | Then presumably the documentation is incorrect, since as you say, ... |
| 16:28.11 | jelly | jsync, can you pastebin the output of "lsblk", "pvs" and "lvs" ? |
| 16:29.28 | cybrNaut | is there someone in here we can ping to notify of corrections for the www.debian.org website? |
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| 16:30.29 | jsync | How do I run those? I can't boot the system, not actually. |
| 16:31.15 | jelly | jsync, boot a live linux image of some sort, or boot in recovery mode |
| 16:31.19 | jsync | Failed to connect to lvmetad. Couldn't find device with uuid _uuid_. |
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| 16:31.42 | jelly | "Failed to connect to lvmetad." is okay within initramfs nvironment. |
| 16:32.51 | jelly | jsync, where is the boot process stuck? Is there a prompt? |
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| 16:34.02 | jelly | cybrNaut, can you file a bug for the www.debian.org package using reportbug |
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| 16:34.14 | jsync | It can't find the 4tb part of the vg. I'm not certain about what else to suggest, not actually. |
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| 16:35.39 | jsync | I push 'c' at the grub boot loader, though lsblk doesn't return result, not actually. |
| 16:37.45 | jelly | jsync, can you upload a screenshot of what's on the screen after boot? |
| 16:38.29 | jelly | "can't find the 4tb part of the vg" doesn't really answer any of > where is the boot process stuck? Is there a prompt? |
| 16:40.36 | jsync | https://ibb.co/zSbjfY3 |
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| 16:43.47 | jelly | so there's a prompt asking you for root password |
| 16:44.15 | jsync | Yes. |
| 16:44.24 | jelly | enter that, if it succeeds in opening a root shell, run commands |
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| 16:45.35 | jelly | you might even be able to start the ssh service and log in from remote and pastebin things |
| 16:46.02 | jelly | not sure if sshd relies on /var, sockets and pid files are in /run now |
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| 16:48.49 | jsync | https://ibb.co/wQDc6jg |
| 16:49.18 | jsync | I notice it's not listing var of the vg. |
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| 16:50.40 | jsync | I ran blkid, & it5not listing var. |
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| 16:51.20 | jelly | I can't read the sizes of sdb and sdc and the format for sdb |
| 16:51.33 | jelly | is sdb your 4TB disk? |
| 16:52.52 | jsync | sdb is 3.7T, & sdc is 7.3T |
| 16:53.38 | jsync | PTTYPE="PMBR" |
| 16:53.54 | jelly | do you have any other 4TB sized disk connected, or is it safe to assume it ought to be sdb? |
| 16:54.41 | PMT | jsync: did you make a partition on sdb and add that as a PV, or just add the whole disk? |
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| 16:55.59 | jsync | Yeah. I made a partition for sdb & added that to the whole vg. |
| 16:56.19 | jelly | the partition is now missing |
| 16:57.58 | PMT | It's a shame I doubt the initrd comes with parted. |
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| 16:59.30 | jelly | jsync, okay. perhaps the disk wasn't synced and disconnected properly, or you managed to overwrite the partition table somehow |
| 17:00.11 | jelly | jsync, let's try to see if there's something LVM-alike in the typical offsets where the first partition is supposed to be |
| 17:00.31 | jelly | dd if=/dev/sdb bs=1M skip=1 count=1|file - |
| 17:01.25 | jsync | @jelly, should I run that command? |
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| 17:04.15 | jelly | jsync, yes |
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| 17:05.24 | jsync | Alright. Did that. |
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| 17:14.23 | jelly | and what did it say |
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| 17:18.40 | jelly | if file command found something that looks like lvm, then you're lucky and might just have to recreate the partition in the partition table |
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| 17:27.26 | jsync | It says /dev/stdin: LVM2 PV (Linux Logical Volume Manager), UUID _long string_ size: 4000785104896 1048576 bytes (1.0 MB, 1.0 MiB) copied, 0.00990033 s, 106 MB/s |
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| 17:31.44 | jsync | https://ibb.co/hcH9HLj |
| 17:37.01 | cybrNaut | i did "mount -o loop /download/debian-edu-bullseye-DI-rc1-amd64-BD-1.iso /media/cdrom" then "/usr/sbin/debootstrap --arch amd64 bullseye /mnt/debian_target file:///media/cdrom". Output ended with: "E: Failed getting release signature file file:///media/cdrom/dists/bullseye/Release.gpg" |
| 17:37.17 | cybrNaut | and indeed, dists/bullseye/Release.gpg is missing from that folder |
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| 17:38.07 | somiaj | I don't know if the cdimages setup their filesystem in the same way as a repo does |
| 17:39.02 | somiaj | But that is probably what is going on, debootstrap is expecting it to be setup like a repository. |
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| 17:39.52 | cybrNaut | perhaps i need --no-check-gpg or --keyring=KEYRING |
| 17:39.56 | tuxd3v | debootstrap is not working when crossdebootstraping on x86 32bits for foreing armhf |
| 17:40.18 | tuxd3v | specifically when you try to debootstrap the second stage... it breaks.. |
| 17:40.46 | PMT | breaks how? |
| 17:42.09 | somiaj | cybrNaut: no that won't have any effect, a repo will contain multiple releases so a release file is needed. A cd image won't so a release file isn't necessarly needed. It might be that deboostrap won't work from a cdimage (I've never tried or seen any docs on this) |
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| 17:43.30 | cybrNaut | somiaj: the dists/bullseye/Release file is present, just not the GPG sigs. i just added --no-check-gpg and it worked |
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| 17:44.24 | somiaj | according the the manpage file:// is used for a local mirror, install images are not local mirrors. |
| 17:44.25 | cybrNaut | of course, this isn't good wrt security. Would have been nice to have the Release.gpg file |
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| 17:45.21 | somiaj | well you have other methods to verify the itegerity of the image |
| 17:45.50 | cybrNaut | somiaj: some docs say that the CDROMs can be used in this way. If not with file://, what would the syntax be? |
| 17:46.35 | somiaj | I guess they can, I just haven't seen such docs or had this use case. |
| 17:46.42 | PMT | there appears to be a "cdrom:" method for apt. |
| 17:46.47 | somiaj | but yea I guess it makes sense since that is what the debian installer uses |
| 17:47.11 | somiaj | yea, I know for apt you use apt-cdrom vs a local mirror, but unsure on the differences and how this plays with debootstrap |
| 17:48.04 | PMT | There's apt-cdrom, but I specifically meant a handler for URIs starting with 'cdrom:' |
| 17:48.16 | PMT | which I presume is what apt-cdrom adds. |
| 17:48.57 | cybrNaut | apparently someone figured that users will check the ISO hash & sigs, and so Release.gpg isn't needed. But they didn't anticipate debootstrap use cases |
| 17:49.22 | cybrNaut | anyway, guess --no-check-gpg is safe enough since i verified the ISO |
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| 18:00.08 | cybrNaut | somiaj: btw, "file:/cdrom/debian/" is suggested in section d.3.3 of https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/arm64/apds03.en.html |
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| 18:01.22 | cybrNaut | it's hard to trust these docs since they botched telling users when to use chroot. Are there better debootstrap docs anywhere? |
| 18:01.57 | cybrNaut | i found the wiki but it's also quite rough and minimal: https://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
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| 18:02.34 | somiaj | cybrNaut: why not report bugs against the docs if you think they could be improved? |
| 18:02.41 | cybrNaut | the wiki suggests running debootstrap on a newly created directory without even mounting it |
| 18:03.18 | cybrNaut | somiaj: i did. but in the meantime i'd like to know of alternative docs |
| 18:03.20 | somiaj | so? deboostrap is used for lots of different reasons, I use it to make chroots on newly created directories all the time. |
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| 18:03.31 | somiaj | Though I just use a mirror |
| 18:04.09 | somiaj | also where do you think you should be chrooting? What did the install guide get incorrect there? |
| 18:04.26 | rulezzz | hello there I cant configure my usb webcam whent I run chesse and try to switch cameras betwen the laptop and usb it show a black window |
| 18:05.18 | cybrNaut | a debian install on a dir that's not a mountpoint would result in an unbootable installation. The files need to be in root (/) in the most typical use cases |
| 18:05.45 | somiaj | sure, but that isn't the only use case of debootstrap, I'm sure you can adjust. |
| 18:06.00 | cybrNaut | somiaj: the doc says: "$ symbolizes a command to be entered in the user's current system, while # refers to a command entered in the Debian chroot." |
| 18:06.19 | cybrNaut | every single command on the page is prefixed with "#" |
| 18:07.06 | cybrNaut | the very first instruction is broken: "# mke2fs -j /dev/sda6" You can't chroot before you have a filesystem |
| 18:07.48 | somiaj | what? there is no chroot going on there, it is saying the first thing you ahve to do is create the filesystems you want to isntall on. |
| 18:08.11 | cybrNaut | somiaj: note the "#" |
| 18:08.28 | cybrNaut | somiaj: the doc says: "$ symbolizes a command to be entered in the user's current system, while # refers to a command entered in the Debian chroot." |
| 18:08.49 | sussudio | "niston2" is spamming me in PM. |
| 18:08.53 | somiaj | OH sorry, I missread that, I was thinking # = root, $ = user, so yea file a bug. |
| 18:09.06 | sney | sussudio: /umode +R |
| 18:09.07 | sussudio | and 14 other fuckers. |
| 18:09.10 | tuxd3v | PMT, breaks with a message, I suspect from qemu-user-static saying it was not possible to alocate memory( commpage memmory ) |
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| 18:11.23 | rulezzz | how can I disable a webcam device |
| 18:12.28 | sussudio | and they're spamming this shit on unrelated irc networks. |
| 18:12.37 | sussudio | rulezzz: electrical tape. |
| 18:12.59 | rulezzz | lol |
| 18:13.04 | sussudio | make sure it covers the microphone too. |
| 18:13.41 | sussudio | this is official policy in many situations, apart from not buying a computer with a webcam. |
| 18:14.59 | tuxd3v | PMT, that error is in bullseye |
| 18:15.19 | EdePopede | that's how even the pros do it: https://9to5mac.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2016/06/mark-zuckerberg-tape-facebook-instagram-1-1592x796.jpg?w=1000 |
| 18:15.40 | rulezzz | but even with tape the second usb webcam cant work well |
| 18:15.46 | PMT | tuxd3v: what error, precisely |
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| 18:16.18 | tuxd3v | cannot alocate commpage memmory.. when crossdebootstraping.. |
| 18:16.22 | tuxd3v | when you |
| 18:16.29 | tuxd3v | debootstrap --secondstage |
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| 18:16.45 | PMT | you said from i386 to armhf? |
| 18:16.51 | tuxd3v | yeah |
| 18:16.56 | PMT | on bullseye? |
| 18:17.05 | tuxd3v | but it can be also from i386 to arm64 |
| 18:17.09 | tuxd3v | yup |
| 18:17.42 | tuxd3v | it doesn't hapen in stable, only in bullseye |
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| 18:18.50 | PMT | and you're sure that's the exact message, because I'm not, in digging, finding it anywhere. |
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| 18:20.03 | sussudio | rulezzz: simply googling "disable webcam linux" gives a hardware solution. (modprobe -r uvcvideo) |
| 18:20.21 | sussudio | not sure if that also disables the microphone. |
| 18:20.50 | cybrNaut | the debootstrap manpage says this command will "Complete the bootstrapping process", but the debian.org doc says it's only needed if the "target architecture is different from the host" => debootstrap --second-stage |
| 18:21.23 | tuxd3v | PMT, that is not the exact message, but its close |
| 18:21.30 | cybrNaut | if my host architecture and target architecture are the same, should i skip the --second-stage? |
| 18:21.59 | tuxd3v | cybrNaut, yes you should skip |
| 18:22.08 | cybrNaut | thanks |
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| 18:22.25 | tuxd3v | that is only when your target arch is anotherone than the host one.. |
| 18:22.32 | rulezzz | sussudio ok I can do that but will the second usb web cam work well? |
| 18:23.32 | sussudio | i'm guessing this disables all webcams. |
| 18:23.38 | PMT | Since uvcvideo is the USB video Camera driver, I'm going to go out on a limb and say "no" |
| 18:24.26 | sussudio | the google gives several answers. |
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| 18:26.03 | jsync | Can I use this to fix my install? https://ibb.co/LC7cqgm |
| 18:26.07 | rulezzz | my second webcam cant work it get me a black window whent I run chesse |
| 18:27.10 | PMT | jsync: I would probably recommend very carefully manually recreating the partition table, not using an installer prompt to do it, as installers usually go on to clobber the contents of the new partitions too. |
| 18:27.17 | rulezzz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:27.43 | rulezzz | mtp-probe: checking bus 1, device 48: "/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.0/usb1/1-4" |
| 18:29.02 | rulezzz | bus: 1, device: 48 was not an MTP device |
| 18:29.33 | jsync | PMT, how would I do that? |
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| 18:30.44 | PMT | There are a whole bunch of partitioning utilities. parted and fdisk are two examples. I do not know what options are present on the live disk you're running from. |
| 18:34.15 | jsync | Can I delete the var logical volume & recreate it at size according to the 1tb hdd, minus the 4tb hdd? https://ibb.co/44WxdjH |
| 18:35.02 | jsync | & then maybe fix install or something somehow? |
| 18:35.32 | PMT | What would you expect that to do? |
| 18:35.47 | jsync | It's not booting, not actually, because of the supposed missing /var-lv. |
| 18:35.50 | sussudio | jsync: you can remount /var to something else if you want to |
| 18:36.07 | maxrazer | Does anyone know how to make xmodmap settings permanent? |
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| 18:36.39 | jsync | How? I want to replace my normal 20gb var lv |
| 18:37.04 | PMT | jsync: did recreating the partition table not work? |
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| 18:38.48 | jsync | PMT, I haven't tried yet, not actually. I thought somebody might have tips to fi |
| 18:39.10 | jsync | Fixing this system, or helping me fix it.** |
| 18:39.12 | sussudio | jsync: maybe something like this https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-move-var-directory-to-another-partition |
| 18:40.23 | PMT | jsync: what are you considering "fixing this system"? If you just want an empty /var, you could just delete the contents... |
| 18:40.33 | PMT | sussudio: the old one doesn't mount. |
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| 18:41.36 | jelly | jsync, I was away. So you found the LVM data, did you recrete the partition table? |
| 18:42.25 | PMT | (Note, in case it was at all ambiguous, "just destroy /var" is a bad idea.) |
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| 18:44.22 | jsync | PMT & @jelly, I could just copy all of /var minus /www & mount that separately? |
| 18:44.39 | PMT | jsync: does /var mount now? |
| 18:45.24 | jsync | Right now, var consists partly of a 4tb hdd that the system can't find at boot. |
| 18:45.48 | jelly | jsync, I was away. Have you managed to create the correct partition table on sdb? |
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| 18:46.14 | jsync | I would like to return to the default 20gb of var, for basic booting with just the 1tb hdd pv. |
| 18:46.50 | jelly | jsync, do you have backups? |
| 18:47.14 | jsync | Backups of what? |
| 18:47.26 | jelly | wtf |
| 18:47.38 | jelly | the files in /var |
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| 18:48.04 | jsync | Yes, I think, maybe. |
| 18:48.30 | jelly | much much free space do you have on / filesystem? |
| 18:48.33 | jsync | I'm confused about the question because of the goal. |
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| 18:48.51 | PMT | jsync: well, people keep telling you to recreate the partition table, and you won't do that, so now it's time for alternate strategies. |
| 18:49.15 | jelly | jsync, have you lost the contents of /var or not? |
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| 18:49.17 | jsync | I could reformat the 4tb hdd & put the data on it again. |
| 18:49.23 | jelly | I assumed you have. |
| 18:50.35 | jsync | Var is 4tb in size. I want to reduce var to the original 20gb of size for booting only with the single 1tb hdd. |
| 18:50.46 | jelly | please answer the question |
| 18:50.53 | jelly | jsync, have you lost the contents of /var or not? |
| 18:51.08 | jsync | I want to remove the 3.6TiB from var. |
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| 18:51.52 | jelly | jsync, look, to be able to help, I need to know what's the state of the system at present time |
| 18:51.58 | jsync | The contents of var should still be on the disk. It's installed with lvm. |
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| 18:52.10 | jelly | jsync, is there anything in /var RIGHT NOW |
| 18:52.35 | jsync | I need to reduce the size of var. |
| 18:53.02 | jsync | The contents of var are within the 1tb hdd. |
| 18:53.17 | jelly | if you can't provide the specific info I ask, I can't help, sorry |
| 18:54.21 | jelly | it shouldn't be too hard to confirm "there are no files under /var right now because it's a separate filesystem and it's not mounted" |
| 18:54.28 | jelly | if that is true. |
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| 19:06.22 | jsync | I guess I'm not certain. |
| 19:07.13 | jsync | I pulled the 1tb hdd & I'm looking at it via my external case plugged into a separate system now. |
| 19:08.18 | jsync | There's an efi folder & a grub folder. |
| 19:08.32 | jsync | Then a few files. |
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| 19:08.49 | jsync | The Disk utility says var is 4tb. |
| 19:10.19 | jsync | 2 physical volumes for Name-vg. I would like to return it to 1 physical volume. |
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| 19:34.12 | cybrNaut | how would I know if I have a modular kernel? If the 'lsmod' command shows modules, does that mean I have a modular kernel? |
| 19:35.12 | sney | yes |
| 19:35.20 | sney | also if there are files in /lib/modules |
| 19:35.51 | sney | it's extremely rare to see monolithic linux kernels anymore, though I suppose they might still be used in some embedded stuff. |
| 19:37.33 | cybrNaut | how does whether it's modular affect creating files in /dev? I'm trying to get through the "D.3.4.1. Create device files" section of the debootstrap guide (https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/arm64/apds03.en.html) |
| 19:37.59 | somiaj | for the most part that is a bit dated, udev will handel /dev as a tmpfs |
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| 19:38.20 | cybrNaut | i know udev is normally used, so i want to stick with that |
| 19:38.55 | somiaj | MAKEDEV generic should be enough, if udev is used, the actualy contents in /dev are ignored and a tmpfs is mounted overthem by udev |
| 19:39.48 | somiaj | note it also isn't unreasonable to just bind mount /dev from outside the chroot to inside the chroot so you ahve access to the devices, mostly needed if you want to mount other filesystems or install grub |
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| 19:41.09 | cybrNaut | so if i bind mount /dev does that mean i can skip the makedev install? |
| 19:42.02 | somiaj | I think so, I don't have makedev installed on my systems that I used the installer for |
| 19:42.17 | somiaj | I think that step is for cases in which udev wouldn't be used, or you need access to specfic devices |
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| 19:42.51 | somiaj | the issue with a manual install is there is a lot of variety about what one needs to do, so it is hard to put a single step by step guide, but more a set of things that you should consider and adjust to fit your needs |
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| 19:44.10 | cybrNaut | ideally the guide should at least show what the installer normally does. If someone needs to deviate on a step, they will already know that. |
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| 19:48.04 | cybrNaut | i normally do this step when cloning a drive manually: for i in /dev /proc /sys; do mount --rbind $i /target$i; done |
| 19:48.36 | cybrNaut | is --rbind always the way to mount /dev? |
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| 19:51.06 | cybrNaut | what's a bit sketchy here is that there are already devices in /target/dev that were created by debootstrap |
| 19:51.27 | somiaj | sure |
| 19:51.38 | somiaj | but udev mounts a tmpfs over that, so it doesn't mater |
| 19:51.55 | cybrNaut | k |
| 19:53.34 | somiaj | having some devices in /dev can be useful in the rare occasion udev fails |
| 19:53.49 | somiaj | I have had to deal with that once, but it rare and not something I would plan on |
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| 20:16.04 | jelly | I think I've had that situation maybe twice since udev became a thing, so that's since 2004ish? when were lenny and etchnhalf released |
| 20:16.09 | jelly | !release history |
| 20:16.10 | dpkg | Named after "Toy Story" characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7; 2013-05-04), Jessie(8; 2015-04-25), Stretch (9; 2017-06-17), Buster (10; 2019-07-06). Next: Bullseye. http://deb.li/it56U |
| 20:16.56 | jelly | 2009 |
| 20:17.51 | sney | I've used mknod to manually create a stubborn device node a single-digit number of times since then, just enough to remember the syntax without looking it up |
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| 20:18.57 | PMT | I had to manually use mknod the other day, when something replaced /dev/null with a 0b regular file. |
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| 20:25.14 | jelly | jsync, there's no way to reduce a fs and the LV under without data loss unless you first restore connectivity to all the PV parts and get the VG and LV online |
| 20:25.52 | jelly | jsync, so you have basically two options: either fix the PV access issues, or accept data loss are restore contents of /var from backups |
| 20:26.19 | jelly | s/are restore/and restore/ |
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| 20:48.33 | jelly | jsync, and fixing the partition table ought to make the PV visible again, since the PV format seems to still be there |
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| 21:07.35 | rulezzz | my second webcam cant work it get me a black window whent I run chesse or guvcview |
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| 21:15.39 | maxrazer | Can I just put the xmodmap command in the .Xmodmap file to make the change permanent? |
| 21:15.39 | maxrazer | So, "keysym Alt_R = Multi_key" in a .Xmodmap file? |
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| 21:16.31 | maxrazer | Do I put the xmodmap command in .Xmodmap to make it permanent? so just add "keysym Alt_R = Multi_key"? |
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| 21:21.48 | rulezzz | any help |
| 21:22.05 | sney | !ask |
| 21:22.05 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 21:22.06 | jelly | nope, sorry, all out of help |
| 21:22.41 | abrotman | I'm all out of help, I'm so lost without you .. |
| 21:23.42 | rulezzz | or how can I disable one webcam |
| 21:24.26 | abrotman | Does it use the same kernel module? you could block the module/device from loading |
| 21:25.10 | rulezzz | I think taht the two webcams use the same kernel module |
| 21:25.55 | abrotman | you may still be able to block the device |
| 21:25.58 | somiaj | maxrazer: I think you might still need to manually run xmodmap, the place to run it can very depending on your xsession, https://wiki.debian.org/Xsession |
| 21:26.20 | somiaj | maxrazer: adding commands to a file just allow you to run xmodmap filename |
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| 21:27.05 | maxrazer | So, you still have to call xmodmap. That needs to be called from somewhere. I saw a forum post about somebody trying to do that and it not working from chron or other place |
| 21:27.53 | somiaj | maxrazer: what xession do you use (as in how do you startx (a display manager) and if so which session do you choose?) |
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| 21:28.06 | rulezzz | abrotman like this https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/63199/how-to-disable-usb-devices-based-on-vendor-id-in-linux-environment |
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| 21:28.20 | abrotman | without reading it, that seems reasonably close |
| 21:28.35 | abrotman | that would be the idea .. you disable by device ID |
| 21:28.38 | maxrazer | I'm using lightdm |
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| 21:28.59 | maxrazer | I'm using i3wm |
| 21:29.14 | somiaj | maxrazer: and are you choosing the i3wm session or using 'default' with ~/.xsession to launch i3wm? |
| 21:29.18 | velix | Can I disallow single users to run an application in PATH? |
| 21:29.30 | maxrazer | I don't know I think default, which is also i3wm |
| 21:29.56 | somiaj | maxrazer: well do you have a ~/.xsession file and are you launching i3wm from tehre? |
| 21:30.01 | maxrazer | I only have one default or i3wm last I checked. |
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| 21:30.13 | maxrazer | Yes, I put exec i3 in there. |
| 21:30.14 | somiaj | maxrazer: sounds like you could setup a ~/.xsession file to run xmodmap then exec the i3wm wm |
| 21:30.33 | somiaj | maxrazer: okay before that line add your xmodmap line or anyother commands you may wish to run in your session |
| 21:30.37 | maxrazer | Ok, yes that might work. |
| 21:32.31 | jhutchins | !webcam |
| 21:32.31 | dpkg | For webcam device support in Debian, ask me about <gspca>, <uvcvideo>. See also <quickcam>, <ov51x-jpeg>, <ov511>, <m560x-driver>, <w9968cf>, <pwc>, <sn9c20x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Webcam |
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| 21:35.01 | maxrazer | I'm not sure if I have to specify .xmodmaprc in the .xsession call, or if it will default to that. I created a file .xmodmaprc in $HOME with the expression and called "xmodmap" before "exec i3" in my .xsession in $HOME. |
| 21:35.38 | maxrazer | I guess I'll log out and see if it works. |
| 21:35.50 | somiaj | maxrazer: I think you do, without any filename it just displays |
| 21:35.58 | somiaj | oh well wasn't fast enoguh |
| 21:36.02 | somiaj | dpkg: botsnack |
| 21:36.03 | dpkg | :), somiaj |
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| 21:41.49 | velix | Can I disallow single users to run an application in PATH? |
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| 21:42.18 | somiaj | velix: sounds like an XY problem, what it is it you are trying to prevent? |
| 21:42.27 | somiaj | maxrazer: you need to add the filename, xmodmap without a file name just displays info |
| 21:42.29 | maxrazer | somiaj, It works! thanks. |
| 21:42.39 | somiaj | maxrazer: oh without the filename? |
| 21:42.42 | velix | somiaj: Sure, it's an XY problem. I just want to know if this is possible. |
| 21:42.47 | maxrazer | I have the file name. Let me try removing it. |
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| 21:43.52 | somiaj | velix: I don't know if acl's can do this, but this really won't stop a user from running a binary, they could download a copy of the binary, put it in $HOME and run it anyways |
| 21:44.08 | velix | somiaj: Ok. I thought AppArmour or such might help. |
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| 21:44.16 | maxrazer | No, I need the file name. It did not work without it. |
| 21:44.19 | velix | somiaj: I'll try ACLs. Good idea. |
| 21:44.44 | somiaj | velix: but again that really isn't that much of a secuirty step, since as I said the user could manually download the binary (or if they can read it, make a copy and run the copy). |
| 21:44.55 | velix | somiaj: Sure. I just was curious :D |
| 21:44.55 | somiaj | velix: hence why I wanted to know what it is actually wanted to achive. |
| 21:45.13 | velix | No, really, I just was curious if it's possible on system level. |
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| 21:45.32 | somiaj | but it does look like acl's can restrict particular users |
| 21:45.45 | velix | somiaj: at least it can remove -x |
| 21:45.48 | rulezzz | I block all my webcams now how can I block only one |
| 21:46.06 | velix | somiaj: But -r is more important, I guess. |
| 21:46.17 | maxrazer | I used xmodmap to add the Alt_R as compose key. |
| 21:46.38 | somiaj | velix: though again thinka bout other vectors, what if the user manually download the deb, extracted the binary and ran it? |
| 21:47.04 | PMT | rulezzz: did you follow all parts of the suggestions in the question you linked about this |
| 21:47.13 | somiaj | maxrazer: yea, I figured you needed the filename, xmodmap would just print info if you didn't. You could have just tested that in a terminal too |
| 21:47.14 | velix | somiaj: disallow curl, wget ;) just joking |
| 21:47.39 | cybrNaut | i have a line in /etc/modules: "loop" what is that for? is that needed to do "mount -o loop"? |
| 21:48.36 | somiaj | yea looks like that modules if for loopback devices |
| 21:48.39 | somiaj | block devices |
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| 21:54.41 | rulezzz | yea let me try again |
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| 22:02.19 | foul_owl | Are the rpi built images 64 or 32 bit? |
| 22:02.51 | somiaj | foul_owl: https://raspi.debian.net/ <-- those? |
| 22:03.28 | foul_owl | yes |
| 22:04.41 | somiaj | I would assume 64bit, but not seeing any docs on this. I thought it might say what port they were which would then state the bit |
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| 22:07.12 | somiaj | foul_owl: actually looks to be more related to the family of pi's |
| 22:07.51 | somiaj | foul_owl: looking atht eYAML spec, it appears 0,1 is armel, 2 is armhf, and 3-4 is arm64 |
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| 22:16.48 | rulezzz | ok my fault I can disable only one webcam and the the usb alive but still I can get a image I get a black window |
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| 22:19.11 | PMT | can you find any examples online of the webcam model working for other people on Linux? |
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| 22:54.39 | mirak | hello |
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| 22:55.15 | mirak | does anyone knows how exactly step by step grub uefi starts the kernel ? |
| 22:55.52 | mirak | I am lost with the BOOTX64.CSV grubx64.efi grub.cfg |
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| 22:57.23 | PMT | Maybe try to explain the exact problem you're trying to solve? |
| 22:58.12 | mirak | I don't get why only the loader in /boot/efi/EFI/debian is run. I am trying to do multiboot on linux as I was doing it in bios where I had a dedicated partition with only grub, with a miniam grub.cfg that loaded core.img from other multiboot linuxes installations |
| 22:58.31 | mirak | PMT, mainly multibooting different versions with efi |
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| 22:59.59 | mirak | The issue is that no mater what BootCurrent I set with "efibootmgr" or choose in the efi startup, it's always the file /boot/efi/EFI/debian/grub.cfg that is run |
| 23:00.35 | mirak | even If I have say a /boot/efi/EFI/debian-2/grub.cfg , then I endup in /boot/efi/EFI/debian/grub.cfg |
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| 23:13.35 | mirak | PMT, I think the issue is that they hardcoded /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/grub.cfg inside shimx64.efi that was signed by microsoft for secureboot shit |
| 23:13.50 | mirak | same for debian I guess |
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| 23:28.04 | cybrNaut | I mounted the bullseye ISO and then ran "apt-cdrom -m -d=/media/debian_install_bd add", which added this to sources.list: "deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux bullseye-DI-rc1 _Bullseye_ - Official Snapshot amd64 BD Binary-1 20210415-20:26]/ bullseye main" |
| 23:28.30 | cybrNaut | does that seem right? It's missing the mountpoint (/media/debian_install_bd) |
| 23:28.43 | PMT | Does it work? |
| 23:29.21 | cybrNaut | so when I do "apt update", I get: "Please use apt-cdrom to make this CD-ROM recognized by APT. apt-get update cannot be used to add new CD-ROMs ... E: The repository 'cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux bullseye-DI-rc1 _Bullseye_ - Official Snapshot amd64 BD Binary-1 20210415-20:26] bullseye Release' does not have a Release file." |
| 23:29.52 | cybrNaut | the advice it gives is advice i already followed |
| 23:30.11 | cybrNaut | it doesn't find the Release file, but it's there |
| 23:30.44 | PMT | That looks like a reasonable line, as the line commented out from my sources.list looks like: |
| 23:30.45 | cybrNaut | e.g. this file exists: /media/debian_install_bd/dists/bullseye/Release |
| 23:30.47 | PMT | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:32.03 | cybrNaut | well i'm not sure how it gets from that long descriptive text to the actual mount point, but something is wrong because it can't find the Release file |
| 23:33.02 | PMT | I would presume it's the string in some metadata fielde. |
| 23:33.23 | cybrNaut | output for "apt-cdrom -m -d=/media/debian_install_bd add" says: Found label 'Debian GNU/Linux bullseye-DI-rc1 _Bullseye_ - Official Snapshot amd64 BD Binary-1 20210415-20:26' |
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| 23:33.47 | cybrNaut | perhaps it has some mapping of disc labels to mount points |
| 23:33.56 | cybrNaut | but, it's not working |
| 23:35.00 | PMT | You could try apt -o 'Debug::Acquire::cdrom=true' update and see if it says anything useful |
| 23:36.11 | cybrNaut | apt didn't like that.. it just dumped the syntax |
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| 23:36.58 | cybrNaut | oh, you mean pass that arg to an update command.. i'll try |
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| 23:37.57 | mirak | how do you multiboot multiple debian versions ? anyone does that ? |
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| 23:39.11 | cybrNaut | http://paste.debian.net/1198391/ <= that's the full output of "apt -o 'Debug::Acquire::cdrom=true' update" |
| 23:40.48 | PMT | Have you tried actually installing things with the cdrom added? |
| 23:40.49 | cybrNaut | it seems apt-cdrom is neglecting to store the mapping from the disc label to the mountpoint |
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| 23:42.08 | cybrNaut | i will. i just did "apt show linux-image-amd64", and the output shows "APT-Sources: cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux bullseye-DI-rc1 _Bullseye_ - Official Snapshot amd64 BD Binary-1 20210415-20:26] bullseye/main amd64 Packages" |
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| 23:43.24 | cybrNaut | it says "Media change: please insert the disc labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux bullseye-DI-rc1 _Bullseye_ - Official Snapshot amd64 BD Binary-1 20210415-20:26' in the drive '/media/cdrom/' and press [Enter] |
| 23:43.55 | cybrNaut | so it apparently ignored the mount point I made and assumed /media/cdrom/ |
| 23:44.35 | cybrNaut | i do not want to hijack /media/cdrom/ -- that's for removable media. |
| 23:45.04 | cybrNaut | and as I understand the docs i've read, it shouldn't be asking me to insert a Cd |
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| 23:48.13 | PMT | Sounds like you've got even more bugs to report. |
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| 23:51.44 | cybrNaut | maybe i need to put this in sources.list: "deb file:/media/debian_install_bd/ bullseye main contrib" |
| 23:51.53 | PMT | I don't think i've ever seen you mention why you're using a cdrom for this, anyway |
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| 23:54.11 | cybrNaut | i've downloaded the whole blu-ray so now I want to use it. My network config is quite complex and things have to be done in a certain order |
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