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| 05:50.09 | nicoz | good morning |
| 05:50.39 | gry | good morning, nicoz |
| 05:58.53 | nicoz | https://paste.debian.net/1197833/ |
| 05:59.47 | nicoz | https://paste.debian.net/1197834/ --> my apt/sources.list |
| 06:00.50 | nicoz | the other day i updated and now apt reports me this error |
| 06:00.53 | somiaj | security should be bullseye/updates |
| 06:02.45 | nicoz | but the beauty is that I have not touched the source.list file, is it possible that it is modified by itself? |
| 06:02.56 | somiaj | nope |
| 06:03.13 | somiaj | Unsure why you have that typo there, but it is an issue |
| 06:03.20 | somiaj | !bullseye sources.list |
| 06:03.20 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Bullseye" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bullseye main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bullseye-updates main". Note that bullseye does not yet have security support and is a <moving target>. See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <bullseye-security>, or <bullseye-updates> and "man sources.list". |
| 06:03.52 | somiaj | Oh wait, my bad....according that factoid you are correct. Lets see your error |
| 06:04.03 | somiaj | (I didn't realize security had changed, it use to be /) |
| 06:04.09 | somiaj | !buster sources.list |
| 06:04.09 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list". |
| 06:04.26 | jmcnaught | nicoz: on lines 8 and 9 where you have "bullseye-updates" it should be "bullseye-security" |
| 06:04.51 | somiaj | oh that is the change, I'm blind, thanks jmcnaught, I hadn't realized that change. |
| 06:05.34 | somiaj | good to know, going to mean the upgrade to bullseye is going to be slighty more complicated because of that (at least for us old timmers who didn't notice it changed) |
| 06:06.24 | nicoz | ah ok, it's a only error of name? |
| 06:06.55 | somiaj | nicoz: yea, your sources.list didn't use the correct name for the secuirty sources, which will cause an error. |
| 06:10.04 | nicoz | thanks you jmcnaught and somiaj |
| 06:11.00 | nicoz | https://paste.debian.net/1197836/ |
| 06:11.23 | nicoz | seems to no longer give the error as before |
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| 06:14.07 | nicoz | I have a cup of coffee which are still in sleep-wake mode |
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| 06:23.59 | Nichi | should i use apt or apt-get :-/ |
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| 06:25.24 | wyoung | Nichi: Either, I use apt-get out of habbit |
| 06:25.58 | Nichi | they are different programs inside, right? |
| 06:26.44 | somiaj | !apt |
| 06:26.45 | dpkg | Advanced Packaging Tool (APT) is a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude and, from Debian 8 "Jessie" onwards, apt. See also <aptitude> <apt-get>, <apt-cache>, <apt myths>. |
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| 06:27.20 | somiaj | Nichi: apt-get got to a point that it could not be changed (was used in to many scripts), so apt was created for more an evolving user interface. In general apt should be used by the user and apt-get by scripts |
| 06:27.24 | somiaj | though you can use either |
| 06:28.18 | somiaj | basically apt provides nicer color output, progress bars, and various additions that could not be added to apt-get without breaking numerous things. Also apt combines apt-get and apt-cache into a single binary. |
| 06:28.51 | somiaj | though yes, I too still use apt-get out of habbit, though am very slowly getting more use to just using apt when running things from a termail. |
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| 06:30.52 | TheBigK | i switched to apt ... just because of the mentioned advantages ... but i still use dist-upgrade instead of --list upgradable ... its weird to type for me ;D |
| 06:32.02 | somiaj | thouse do different things, do you mean dist-upgrade vs full-upgrade? |
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| 06:33.33 | Nichi | dist-upgrade was exactly what got me confused, because it wasnt mentioned at all in the man page for apt, onyl in the apt-get man page, although "apt dist-upgrade" works |
| 06:33.41 | somiaj | TheBigK: note one difference between apt and apt-get is upgrade, apt-get upgrade won't install new packages, but apt upgrade will, so for stable upgrades, apt upgrade should be sufficent (Even for new kernels) and dist-upgrade is no longer needed outside of release changes. |
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| 06:34.08 | somiaj | yea, apt manpage is a bit short, you'll have to see both apt-get and apt-cache for a full list of all options |
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| 06:34.24 | Nichi | thanks guys |
| 06:34.32 | TheBigK | somiaj: im aware. :) |
| 06:35.15 | TheBigK | but it does what i want.. also out of habit |
| 06:35.48 | somiaj | yea, I always forget about --list upgradeable, I just run apt upgrade, and then get the list and hit Y if i like it |
| 06:36.59 | Nichi | i like comparing package managers (or their interfaces) to fast food, yay is like mcdonalds drive-thru |
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| 06:44.34 | shtrb | Nichi, does that mean you have the odd clients that can ruin your day all of a sudden by throwing a tantrum at you or others who just failing to give their output ? |
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| 07:34.21 | furycd001 | HI Guys.. Over the weekend I've installed & been setting up debian-10 with xfce on a thinkpad E470. I've just installed nvidia drivers & been trying to get rid of screen tearing. Whenever I try to luanch nvidia-settings I receive the following error >> ERROR: Unable to load info from any available system |
| 07:34.26 | furycd001 | Could someone please help me thanks.... |
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| 07:38.12 | TheBigK | furycd001: try running the nvidia-settings as root. |
| 07:43.41 | furycd001 | Still shows the same error message.... |
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| 07:49.01 | TheBigK | does nvidia-smi work? |
| 07:49.08 | TheBigK | furycd001: does nvidia-smi work? |
| 07:50.01 | furycd001 | Nope.. It says >> bash: nvidia-smi: command not found |
| 07:50.41 | furycd001 | Ok just installed it with apt.... |
| 07:51.39 | TheBigK | furycd001: are u sure ur not using some intel driver for ur display right now ? pastebin ur Xorg.log.0 pls |
| 07:55.20 | furycd001 | Hmmm not entirely sure what I'm using, but here's the log >> https://termbin.com/m9j7 |
| 07:56.47 | TheBigK | yeah u use ur intel driver |
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| 07:57.06 | furycd001 | Ok so how do I switch to nvidia & get rid of screen tearing ?? |
| 07:57.33 | TheBigK | do u rly wanna switch to nvidia? is there a reason besides screen tearing? |
| 07:58.26 | furycd001 | I play a lot of TF2 on steam so I'm pretty sure I'd need nvidia.... |
| 07:58.48 | TheBigK | okay. then the easiest way probably is just to remove the intel driver? |
| 07:59.00 | TheBigK | sudo apt remove xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 07:59.19 | TheBigK | ur nvidia module is loaded? check with lsmod |
| 08:00.26 | furycd001 | nvidia_drm appears on the list a few times.... |
| 08:01.12 | TheBigK | thats good. just wanted to make sure that ur desktop is likely to start after removal :) |
| 08:01.18 | TheBigK | if not just install the package again |
| 08:01.39 | TheBigK | just restart ur display manager and then check if ur xorg.log.0 is showing nvidia stuff |
| 08:01.47 | furycd001 | Thanks :) & thank you very much for the help :) I've removed the intel driver so I'll reboot now & see what happens.... |
| 08:01.55 | TheBigK | reboot not needed |
| 08:01.59 | TheBigK | display manager restart is all u need |
| 08:02.02 | furycd001 | Oh ok :) |
| 08:02.18 | TheBigK | sddm is for me... but i dont know what u have |
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| 08:02.44 | TheBigK | strg + alt + f2 ... login... sudo service sddm restart... if its sddm which i dont know |
| 08:02.54 | furycd001 | I'm running lightdm so I'll restart that now |
| 08:03.08 | TheBigK | oki. should be no big deal |
| 08:03.38 | furycd001 | Anyway thanks for the help. Tis much appreciated :) |
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| 08:20.51 | effgee | So, strange issue, can't get ip forwarding to stay off. The default is supposed to be off but everytime I reboot its on. I even specifically set it to 0 on /etc/sysctl.conf and it still turns back on every reboot. Nothing in my interfaces is turning it on either. Where else should I look? |
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| 08:34.35 | TheBigK | effgee: firewall scripts do that sometimes... i would check there |
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| 09:15.06 | willow | i'm having issues with bluetooth on buster. i want to add sid source to try its version |
| 09:15.29 | ksk | !frankendebian |
| 09:15.29 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall> |
| 09:15.32 | TheBigK | willow: thats a terrible idea |
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| 09:16.11 | willow | ok i was worried about that. even with pinning it would still be problematic |
| 09:16.30 | willow | can i compile bluez from source? |
| 09:16.38 | TheBigK | willow: u could try to liveboot a debian bullyeye from usb or something to give that a shot |
| 09:17.06 | TheBigK | willow: ofc u can ... but its probably not easy nor is it supported in here |
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| 09:18.04 | willow | it seems to be a bug with bluez that has been fixed in more recent release. it doesn't recognize the a2dp audio sink profile of device on reconnect. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Bluetooth_headset#A2DP_sink_profile_is_unavailable |
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| 09:19.51 | willow | one time i had the a2dp sink working on the headphones. then every time after that it cannot be used. i've restarted pulseaudio, restarted bluetooth, removed and re-paired the device multiple times. |
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| 09:20.32 | willow | using both blueman and bluetoothctl |
| 09:21.12 | TheBigK | i had similar issues... but with kubuntu... since kubuntu 20.10 it works fine for me |
| 09:21.34 | TheBigK | i would start trying a live image of debian bullseye and work from there |
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| 09:22.04 | TheBigK | if that would work... then u can consider upgrading... but no guarantees on that ... debian is still testing for a reason |
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| 09:46.05 | TheBigK | wow when i read my own stuff... debian is not testing... i meant debian bullseye is still testing... |
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| 09:49.14 | willow | pacmd set-card-profile bluez_card.60_AB_D2_8C_57_6A a2dp_sink Failed to set card profile to 'a2dp_sink'. darn it. |
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| 09:57.04 | TheBigK | willow: so bullseye not working either? or whats going on |
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| 09:58.29 | willow | TheBigK: no haven't tried that yet. Still on my Buster machine. |
| 09:58.49 | TheBigK | what did u change that u espect it to work now |
| 09:59.03 | TheBigK | expect... holy f... |
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| 09:59.37 | willow | Am thinking of changing the machine to Sid and putting the server stuff on it in a Buster VM |
| 10:00.12 | TheBigK | look into docker... is way less overhead |
| 10:00.22 | willow | it worked before. i was actually using the headphones with a2dp. |
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| 10:01.11 | willow | for docker do you build your own or just use pre-made servers? i need postfix/dovecot/mysql and nginx |
| 10:01.37 | AquaL1te | interesing stuff about hardening services with systemd: https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/systemd-service-strengthening some example commands `systemd-analyze security` and `systemd-analyze security sssd.service` |
| 10:02.00 | TheBigK | depends on which special cases u wanna tackle... both is certainly possible... but probably preferablle to use prebuilt images since u dont want to invent the wheel more than ocne |
| 10:02.03 | TheBigK | *once |
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| 10:03.31 | willow | what do you use to manage/run the instances? |
| 10:03.35 | TheBigK | now i have a question... is there a way to permanently change a systemd service user? i tried with /etc/systemd/$service.service.d/$service.conf .. but that didnt overwrite it |
| 10:04.53 | ratrace | TheBigK: What did you specify in there? Did you daemon-reload? |
| 10:04.57 | willow | TheBigK: what tool do you use to manage or run the docker instances? |
| 10:05.17 | TheBigK | ratrace: yes i did |
| 10:05.28 | ratrace | TheBigK: by the way, the dir is /etc/systemd/system/some.service.d/....cof |
| 10:05.30 | ratrace | *conf |
| 10:05.34 | TheBigK | willow: it depends... usually just plain docker-compose |
| 10:05.49 | ratrace | you're missing the /system/ dir inside the /etc/systemd/ in the path above, dunno if it's typo here or on your system too |
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| 10:06.40 | TheBigK | hell yes ratrace, ur my man |
| 10:08.12 | TheBigK | fucking minidlna... doesnt want to work with inotify properly ... |
| 10:08.37 | TheBigK | lets see if that permission problem is gone now |
| 10:09.10 | ratrace | now, if only I were a man .... :) |
| 10:10.09 | shtrb | willow, I had several issue with bluetooth failing , try to open as much logs as you can and file a bug with it |
| 10:10.40 | shtrb | There had been a few minor bugs that had been cuased by a miss config in a conf file |
| 10:10.49 | shtrb | (in regards of sound) |
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| 10:11.58 | willow | shtrb: yes i see bug 848130 from 2016 |
| 10:12.01 | TheBigK | ratrace: ok ur the person... :D |
| 10:13.15 | shtrb | willow, that a gdm pre login bug |
| 10:13.26 | TheBigK | the problem is gone now regarding permission... it must be something about security in the kernel regarding inotify... but even the kernel documentation didnt reveal that problem.. and my C isnt good enough to actually read that source code :D |
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| 10:15.34 | TheBigK | yes ... definitely working... that was bothering me for so long... i still kinda hate that that service is running as root... but i dont think theres a different solution for that |
| 10:15.50 | ratrace | what are you talking about? |
| 10:16.09 | TheBigK | minidlna is running as default as a seperate user |
| 10:16.29 | TheBigK | to keep its database fresh it uses inotify for the media dirs |
| 10:16.46 | TheBigK | but it kept telling me that it has no permission when a new media is added |
| 10:17.02 | ratrace | TheBigK: and the user has access to the dirs? |
| 10:17.07 | TheBigK | although the user has definitley permission to do stuff in that folder |
| 10:17.18 | TheBigK | yes... even sued into that user and tried |
| 10:17.37 | TheBigK | monitor.c:515: warn: Could not access |
| 10:17.51 | TheBigK | now switching to root it works... |
| 10:18.18 | ratrace | probably a capability needed, or seccomp permissions |
| 10:18.25 | TheBigK | i even tried using a different group for that matter.. that i share the group of the 2 user... my user and the minidlna user |
| 10:18.43 | TheBigK | could be ? how can i debug this |
| 10:18.59 | TheBigK | i never looked into seccomp or capability permissions for that matter :p |
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| 10:19.49 | TheBigK | ratrace: any documentation i can read for that matter? |
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| 10:20.27 | ratrace | dunno, I tried googling if inotify is covered with a special cap or seccomp, but nothing found. can you pastebin your service unit, mybe something else is botherig it? |
| 10:21.20 | TheBigK | https://paste.debian.net/1197855/ |
| 10:21.35 | TheBigK | thats the default one... i just overwrote now the user |
| 10:22.30 | TheBigK | and the group... that was just for testing purpose... |
| 10:22.35 | TheBigK | i did change that back now |
| 10:22.58 | ratrace | well, instead of altering the service, I'd rather try put the "minidlna" user into the group the files belong to, and make sure the dirs have g+rx |
| 10:23.08 | ratrace | (and files g+r) |
| 10:23.10 | TheBigK | thats the case |
| 10:23.57 | TheBigK | minidlna user is in a share group |
| 10:24.00 | ratrace | and if you run the command in ExecStart manually (mind the env vars and substitution), as "minidlna" user, does it work? |
| 10:24.11 | TheBigK | and the share group is set for everything i add in that dir |
| 10:24.27 | ratrace | TheBigK: and the "share" group has r+x access to _ALL_ path elements to the dirs? |
| 10:24.45 | TheBigK | i wouldnt be able to access the dir when i switch to it, would i ? |
| 10:24.53 | ratrace | no, you wouldn't |
| 10:25.08 | ratrace | well... actually depends on how you "switch" to it |
| 10:25.08 | TheBigK | the problem is not directly permission related im pretty sure |
| 10:25.11 | TheBigK | its related to the inotify |
| 10:25.22 | TheBigK | sudo su - minidlna -s /bin/bash |
| 10:25.42 | ratrace | eh sudo su ... if you want sudo, use -iu |
| 10:25.52 | ratrace | but anyway, the effect is the same, due to -l |
| 10:26.40 | ratrace | so the idea is to try and run the ExecStart command, minding the substitutions, as that user to see if it works like that. that way you isolate the issue from systemd service context. if it works, then the service context is putting some restrictions you need to figure out and remove |
| 10:27.11 | TheBigK | hmm... |
| 10:27.41 | ratrace | I'd start by stracing systemctl start minidlna.service . now that's gonna produce a megaton of output, so perhapse use -o to store it into a file for later analysis. and you'll need -f to trace the children processes too, which is what you need here |
| 10:28.38 | TheBigK | so u think when i run that service manually and not over systemd... it should work? |
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| 10:29.02 | TheBigK | that would be a step to make... to rule out systemd in that caswe |
| 10:29.04 | TheBigK | -w |
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| 10:29.12 | ratrace | I think the service should work too, I'm not aware of any restrictions systemd would put, since there are no namespacing and seccomp options in the service unit |
| 10:29.45 | ratrace | TheBigK: then again, I'm not quite sure how inotify works. Does it require _write_ permission if the IN_MASK_CREATE or IN_MASK_ADD are in the monitored mask? |
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| 10:30.04 | ratrace | perhaps try, temporarily, give the dirs g+w, |
| 10:30.05 | TheBigK | ratrace: i have no freaking idea... and it doesnt say in its documentation |
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| 10:30.44 | TheBigK | i donwloaded kernel sources... nad checked the inotify docs... but the explanation is quite short... its just a general explanation |
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| 10:31.06 | ratrace | well it's easy to test. give the group write permissions on dirs... and files too. |
| 10:31.16 | TheBigK | i will... |
| 10:31.22 | TheBigK | lets see... |
| 10:31.38 | ratrace | chmod -R /path/to/top/dir g+w covers both dirs and files |
| 10:32.00 | ratrace | and you can later g-w if needed, removing just the group write flag without touching other flags. |
| 10:33.18 | TheBigK | yap... i fully got u ;) |
| 10:33.26 | TheBigK | but im not going to do the whole path... |
| 10:33.30 | TheBigK | just the Media directory |
| 10:33.44 | TheBigK | and the test directory im going to move in for testing |
| 10:33.47 | ratrace | well the directory that service is supposed to run inotify probes on |
| 10:33.54 | ratrace | that's fine too |
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| 10:34.26 | TheBigK | yeah... thats all the media dirs... |
| 10:34.41 | TheBigK | may be that was it... if thats it... then im gonna cry and bow to u... |
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| 10:35.32 | TheBigK | nah ... didnt work... same problem |
| 10:35.50 | TheBigK | Could not access $dir no permission |
| 10:35.56 | ratrace | well that's a relief actually. needing +w just to monitor for inotify events would be terrible |
| 10:36.20 | ratrace | TheBigK: but back to previous question. if you run the ExecStart command, minding the substitutions, manually... does it work? |
| 10:36.32 | TheBigK | lets find out :) |
| 10:36.36 | ratrace | (as minidlna user) |
| 10:36.45 | TheBigK | ofc... i understand where ur going with this :) |
| 10:37.02 | TheBigK | i should use smaller files... brrr :D |
| 10:38.21 | wyre | hi guys, I cannot user usermod as root in a fresh install |
| 10:38.35 | wyre | why is this? (I'm trying to add my new user to sudo group) |
| 10:38.55 | wyre | I'm root but when I perform `usermod -aG sudo user` I have a 'usermod command not found' |
| 10:39.03 | ratrace | !buster su |
| 10:39.03 | dpkg | In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
| 10:40.11 | ratrace | TheBigK: another possibility, but I don't know what the error message would be exactly ... if you have more files than default kernel inotify watches |
| 10:40.35 | ratrace | default is 8k |
| 10:40.47 | ratrace | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:41.50 | wyre | ty ratrace ð |
| 10:41.51 | TheBigK | ratrace: i raised it. and still no change |
| 10:41.58 | TheBigK | with manually running the daemon |
| 10:42.11 | ratrace | TheBigK: wait, running manually it still results with no permissions? |
| 10:42.21 | TheBigK | yes... but i think i might have it... |
| 10:43.04 | TheBigK | fuck me... wait what?= |
| 10:43.06 | TheBigK | what is this |
| 10:43.11 | TheBigK | when i move a folder... |
| 10:43.21 | TheBigK | then the permission is different temporarly? |
| 10:43.33 | TheBigK | im just doing a normal mv |
| 10:43.54 | TheBigK | wtf... thats it probably... but why... |
| 10:43.59 | ratrace | mv should be atomic rename unless across filesystem boundaries |
| 10:44.09 | TheBigK | its across filesystem boundaries... kind of |
| 10:44.16 | TheBigK | is different subvolume in btrfs |
| 10:44.26 | TheBigK | omg... then that is it |
| 10:44.38 | ratrace | it's possible that that throws a whole bunch of chaos monkeys into the problem machinery..... |
| 10:44.38 | TheBigK | it does 700 temporarly it seems... |
| 10:44.56 | TheBigK | wtf is this... lol |
| 10:45.09 | TheBigK | why would mv do that |
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| 10:45.16 | TheBigK | or do u think its something related to btrfs |
| 10:45.33 | TheBigK | now im glad that i did use a larger test file :D |
| 10:46.16 | ratrace | btrfs (and ZFS) do all kinds of magic internally to handle snapshots and subvolumes |
| 10:46.19 | TheBigK | i gonna go eat something... ratrace: ur still the person... thank you so much for discussing it with me... that put some holes in my theories :D |
| 10:46.41 | ratrace | easy to test with a temporary media dir on the same, root filesystem |
| 10:46.57 | ratrace | if it works there, but not across mountpoints ... it's either btrfs issue or inotify-across-mountpoints issue. |
| 10:47.26 | TheBigK | yeah... i gonna find a solution... now i know what i have to look into ... |
| 10:47.35 | TheBigK | thanks... |
| 10:47.51 | TheBigK | or i stay having minidlna run as root... who knows... |
| 10:48.05 | TheBigK | or i actually restructure my subvolumes or something |
| 10:48.19 | TheBigK | freaking crazy |
| 10:49.50 | ratrace | TheBigK: https://sourceforge.net/p/minidlna/discussion/879957/thread/5da6f408/ |
| 10:50.43 | ratrace | I've been assuming so far that you tried these tests without altering service's User or Group, and instead put the "minidlna" in the "share" group |
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| 10:51.12 | ratrace | otherwise, indeed, altering the service group might very well bork the /run/ and /var/log/ dependencies ... but then that error message is miselading |
| 10:52.40 | ratrace | TheBigK: ^^ |
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| 11:24.45 | TheBigK | i just did a small tmp file container with an ext4 on it |
| 11:24.53 | TheBigK | and the permissions didnt change |
| 11:25.00 | TheBigK | why would btrfs do some trickery with that |
| 11:25.07 | TheBigK | fuck me... |
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| 11:39.35 | Botyuba | in my fstab i added several remote file shares, also added the _netdev option so they may automatically mount after boot, but boot.log claims the mount fails, and i have to use 'sudo mount -a' every single time i reboot my system |
| 11:40.10 | Botyuba | the systemctl that is recomneded for investigating contains nor error codes or anyghing of value, it only mentions exit code |
| 11:40.14 | Botyuba | but not code |
| 11:40.26 | Botyuba | is it possible to automate the "sudo mount -a"? |
| 11:40.47 | Botyuba | possibly using a systemd user service? |
| 11:41.03 | Botyuba | debian 10 running oldschool gnome |
| 11:41.13 | Botyuba | wayland had way too many problems still |
| 11:41.29 | Botyuba | which got fixed running oldschool gnome |
| 11:41.37 | Botyuba | i mean xwindow |
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| 11:57.07 | queip | with ogv file, how to trim its end, that is create new file or change the file to end at given frame number or given time? |
| 11:59.17 | TheBigK | queip: do u want to cut it with command line or with a gui program? |
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| 12:11.34 | robert58 | hi |
| 12:12.02 | queip | TheBigK: either, tho cmdline seems better |
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| 12:43.57 | folti_ | does anybody have problem with bluetooth keyboard? Charged it to the max, tried to add it using bluetooth manager bulit into gnome 3.30, installed blueman olso- it keeps writing ONLY zeroes to the terminal, address bar and anything with text input box. Driver problem or it's just old? Hasn't been falling on the floor, hasn't been drained with water. any suggestions? |
| 12:45.19 | folti_ | bluetooth devices doesn't recognize it. I've ruled out man-in-the-middle attack using mitmf |
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| 12:46.39 | folti_ | logitech k810 keyboard |
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| 12:53.13 | folti_ | removed device, connected it back again, problem persists... |
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| 12:58.25 | rnix | hi, i have installed 5.9.0 kernel from backports in debian buster. now, when installing some packages it removes the bp kernel and installs 4.19.0. do i need to pin the bp kernel somehow? |
| 12:59.33 | folti_ | like, mark it "manually installed"? |
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| 13:03.09 | folti_ | autoremove won't remove it if you mark it manually installed but deps...hm. I've marked xorg as manually installed and still running xorg and not wayland. haven't had issues with that. Ok, maybe mine bluetooth keyboard has issues with it . hm |
| 13:03.55 | folti_ | rnix:which package are you trying to install? |
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| 13:06.56 | jelly | folti_, which debian release is this with the bt keyboard |
| 13:07.11 | folti_ | buster on 4.19 |
| 13:07.22 | rnix | folti_: i installed linux-image-5.9.0-0.bpo.5-amd64 directly. when installing -t buster-backports linux-image-amd64 it seems to work as expected, currently this pulls a 5.10 kernel |
| 13:07.50 | folti_ | 4.19.0-16-amd64 |
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| 13:08.52 | jelly | I think I have a similar keyboard but... nah, it has its own 2.4GHz usb wireless thingy |
| 13:09.37 | folti_ | ah, lucky you ;) I won't buy any bt kbds anymore |
| 13:10.59 | folti_ | rnix: you can try to mark 5.9 as manually installed but, from experience, you will have to lookout on the changes in dep tree. autclean for old kernels and update-initramfs, of course |
| 13:12.35 | hegemoOn | hello mates |
| 13:12.37 | rnix | folti_: as said, letting apt choose the recent kernel from backports solved my issue, thanks |
| 13:12.56 | folti_ | aha:) nice, rnix |
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| 13:21.27 | robert58 | how do I exit |
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| 13:23.59 | folti_ | from vi? |
| 13:24.11 | epsilon | never, it's a trap |
| 13:29.25 | ratrace | 666 nestings of vi called inside emacs inside vi inside.... good luck. |
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| 13:34.43 | j`ey | https://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-image-5.10.0-6-arm64 I downloaded this .deb.. but it doesnt actually contain an Image, where can I find a .deb that does? |
| 13:35.48 | jelly | j`ey, what are you trying to do, and which debian release do you have installed? |
| 13:37.16 | j`ey | jelly: Im just trying to download a prebuilt Debian kernel Image! |
| 13:38.13 | themill | j`ey: just imagine that the question was asked for a reason |
| 13:38.26 | j`ey | any version is fine |
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| 13:39.02 | j`ey | I assumed there would be a .deb containing the actual Image file, and I thought it would be that one |
| 13:40.00 | j`ey | (for just some testing with qemu -kernel) |
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| 13:45.32 | j`ey | so uh, did I do something wrong (dpkg -e), or is that the wrong .deb? |
| 13:48.23 | jelly | j`ey, you downloaded from one of the mirrors at https://packages.debian.org/sid/arm64/linux-image-5.10.0-6-arm64/download ? |
| 13:48.27 | j`ey | yep |
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| 13:48.37 | j`ey | http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-signed-arm64/linux-image-5.10.0-6-arm64_5.10.28-1_arm64.deb |
| 13:48.53 | jelly | then that .deb ought to contain a ./boot/ directory with vmlinuz |
| 13:49.36 | j`ey | doesnt for me |
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| 13:49.55 | jelly | [15:49] ~ => dpkg --contents linux-image-5.10.0-6-arm64_5.10.28-1_arm64.deb|grep vmlinuz |
| 13:49.55 | jelly | -rw-r--r-- root/root 27260800 2021-04-09 20:17 ./boot/vmlinuz-5.10.0-6-arm64 |
| 13:50.21 | j`ey | right, so is dpkg -e wrong? |
| 13:50.22 | jelly | j`ey, if you did dpkg -e that would unpack the files in their destination place |
| 13:50.27 | j`ey | oh.... |
| 13:50.37 | j`ey | well is that ./boot or /boot? |
| 13:50.52 | jelly | you want dpkg -x blah.deb someplace/ |
| 13:51.02 | themill | you might want to read the dpkg man page again on -e |
| 13:51.13 | jelly | because now those files are all over your OS installation |
| 13:51.39 | jelly | man dpkg-deb, read about --unpack (-e) vs --extract (-x) |
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| 13:51.42 | themill | -e just unpacks DEBIAN |
| 13:51.59 | j`ey | themill: so.. it didnt extract files everywhere? |
| 13:52.08 | jelly | oh good |
| 13:52.09 | themill | you can run ls |
| 13:52.13 | jelly | -e is --control |
| 13:52.48 | j`ey | themill: i can run ls, and I did in /boot, that's owned by root though |
| 13:52.58 | j`ey | so maybe some other files could have been copied |
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| 13:53.23 | jelly | j`ey, I was wrong about that, you only got a DEBIAN/ subdir wherever you ran that command |
| 13:53.31 | j`ey | jelly: cool, thanks |
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| 13:57.34 | wintersky | any clues? https://paste.debian.net/1197877/ |
| 13:58.04 | themill | !bat |
| 13:58.04 | dpkg | [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 14:00.15 | wintersky | themill: https://paste.debian.net/1197878/ |
| 14:00.47 | themill | mixing buster, bullseye and sid is a great way to confuse apt |
| 14:01.07 | wintersky | it's bullseye with pinned sid |
| 14:01.12 | wintersky | at 99 |
| 14:01.13 | themill | it's a mess |
| 14:01.23 | wintersky | what should i do? |
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| 14:01.31 | wintersky | i will unpin sid |
| 14:01.50 | themill | if you want to run bullseye, then get rid of buster/updates |
| 14:02.33 | themill | buster/updates has the version of chromium you've asked for but you don't have a mirror for buster so it's uninstallable |
| 14:02.42 | vincent- | Hello. I have already read the recommendation of not mirroring the security repo. However, I still want to do it. I'm trying to use "debmirror", which worked fine when mirror the archive repo. However, when trying to mirror security.debian.org/debian-security it fails: https://paste.debian.net/1197879/ |
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| 14:03.17 | vincent- | Do I have any error in my command? |
| 14:03.32 | themill | vincent-: you can't use --method=rsync with security.d.o |
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| 14:06.09 | wintersky | themill: thanks that worked, no idea why i had buster/updates in sources.list |
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| 14:06.37 | vincent- | themill, if I use "--method=http", then it still wants to do this: "Updating remote trace files (using rsync) ...", and that fails. |
| 14:07.11 | wintersky | themill: when should i add bullseye/updates to sources.list? |
| 14:07.40 | themill | wintersky: you can do that right now, although it's called bullseye-security |
| 14:07.44 | themill | !bullseye-security |
| 14:07.44 | dpkg | Security updates in testing are delayed by the normal testing migration *and* may be further delayed by missing dependencies, etc. See https://www.debian.org/security/faq#testing ; «deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security main» can be used (but will be empty until release). |
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| 14:08.40 | nindustries | Hi! I have a Python app in a Debian-based container that's suddenly crashing with free(): invalid Pointer. Any ideas? strace: https://pastebin.com/raw/ucJZYuMG |
| 14:08.40 | wintersky | themill: thanks, so that's why i wasn't able to fwetch anything from tat repo |
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| 14:09.34 | vincent- | themill, I think I need --rsync-extra=none |
| 14:10.13 | jelly | dpkg, bullseye pool 1 |
| 14:10.13 | dpkg | ! antto=2021-07-07 räträcé=2021-06-13 jëlly=2021-06-06 themÃll=2021-09-01 |
| 14:10.26 | jelly | not bloody likely to win, am I |
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| 14:10.39 | jelly | NetTerminalGene, ^^ |
| 14:10.53 | jelly | !rc bugs |
| 14:10.53 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are Debian bugs with critical, grave or serious severities, preventing the next release of Debian. See the graph at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ or the lists at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/all.html http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?release=bullseye&patch=ign&pending=ign&merged=ign&done=ign&rc=1 . See also <rc-alert>. |
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| 14:23.30 | rockworld | hi everyone, I would like to ask if anyone know how to stop wine popping a windows everytime I get a notification on a windows game |
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| 14:29.05 | folti_ | rockworld: if it's gnome desktop, go to settings and there will be wine antry which you can modify |
| 14:29.17 | folti_ | *entry |
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| 14:30.27 | rockworld | folry, thank you for the answer Im gonna take a look at this |
| 14:31.09 | folti_ | i belive it's third section on the left |
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| 14:39.42 | rockworld | folti, I think I found it I unchecked 2 thing I hope thats that |
| 14:40.16 | rockworld | going to test |
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| 14:47.58 | stwange | Hey is there a difference between proftp-basic and proftp-dfsg packages? I'm trying to find whether or not two CVEs have been patched (CVE-2015-3306 and CVE-2019-12815) but the changelog for proftpd-basic on my system ends in 2014 and the version number doesn't seem to quite match dfsg (mine is 1.3.5e+r1.3.5-2+deb8u7) |
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| 14:50.41 | ratrace | !cve lookup CVE-2015-3306 |
| 14:50.41 | dpkg | Information about the security advisory CVE-2015-3306 may be found at https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2015-3306 |
| 14:50.59 | ratrace | !cve lookup CVE-2019-12815 |
| 14:50.59 | dpkg | Information about the security advisory CVE-2019-12815 may be found at https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2019-12815 |
| 14:51.07 | jelly | stwange, in Debian 10? proftpd-dfsg is the SOURCE package name. proftpd-basic is a BINARY package built that source. They are one and the same basically. |
| 14:51.54 | jelly | stwange, which debian release do you have installed? |
| 14:52.36 | ratrace | stretch it seems, by the package version |
| 14:52.57 | jelly | deb8 not stretch but jessie |
| 14:53.15 | ratrace | ah yes |
| 14:53.26 | jelly | I'm asking about the OS not the particular package right now |
| 14:53.32 | stwange | Thanks Jelly. I can see the proftpd-dfsg changelogs now in change.Debian, sorry for missing those |
| 14:53.37 | stwange | It's Debian 8 |
| 14:54.24 | ratrace | stwange: if you're worried about CVEs... how come you're still running Jessie |
| 14:54.30 | jelly | stwange, Debian 8 is out of Debian's security support, and out of LTS team support as well. |
| 14:54.37 | jelly | !jessie-elts |
| 14:54.43 | jelly | !elts |
| 14:54.43 | dpkg | Limited commercial support for jessie exists in form of Extended LTS, see https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Extended and https://deb.freexian.com/extended-lts/, or wheezy-elts ended 2020-06-30 |
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| 14:56.45 | jelly | stwange, ^ if your company depends on Debian 8, consider paying for ELTS. Otherwise plan to upgrade to Debian 9 then 10, or migrate services to fresh Debian 10 ASAP |
| 14:57.19 | jelly | same goes even if it's not a company probably |
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| 14:58.58 | karlpinc | ,checkbackport wkhtmltopdf |
| 14:58.59 | judd | Backporting package wkhtmltopdf in sidâbuster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 13). |
| 14:59.46 | jelly | that's a false negative |
| 14:59.51 | jelly | ,v debhelper |
| 14:59.52 | judd | Package: debhelper on amd64 -- jessie: 9.20150101+deb8u2; jessie-security: 9.20150101+deb8u2; stretch: 10.2.5; stretch-backports: 12.1.1~bpo9+1; buster: 12.1.1; buster-backports: 13.3.3~bpo10+1; bullseye: 13.3.4; sid: 13.3.4 |
| 15:00.01 | karlpinc | jelly: Thanks. |
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| 15:00.12 | jelly | karlpinc, debhelper from buster-backports will provide that build-dep |
| 15:00.43 | jelly | judd has issues with figuring out versioned Provides |
| 15:01.49 | judd | I resemble that remark! |
| 15:02.18 | somiaj | Ahh, I thought it was judd didn't consider -backports in its checking. |
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| 15:05.52 | stwange | Thanks for your help :) I'll handle the CVE report now, and then look into migrating. |
| 15:09.24 | nkuttler | what's with the invalid release files? E: Release file for http://security.debian.org/dists/buster/updates/InRelease is not valid yet (invalid for another 2h 35min 55s). Updates for this repository will not be applied. |
| 15:10.19 | jelly | nkuttler, either your clock is in the past, or Debian's signage clock is in the future, it seems? |
| 15:10.52 | nkuttler | huh.. no ntp installed there.. how did that happen.. |
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| 15:11.35 | jelly | aliens. |
| 15:11.36 | nkuttler | wait, no, it's installed but the time is wrong.oO |
| 15:11.52 | jelly | ancient aliens. Thus: clock in PAST |
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| 15:13.36 | somiaj | nkuttler: have your timezone not set or localtime/vs utc time setting incorrect? |
| 15:14.02 | jelly | ntp does not care about your puny timezones, human |
| 15:14.12 | nkuttler | nah, ntp gets a connection refused.. |
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| 15:15.02 | jelly | getting a connection refused with a datagram protocol is an achievement in itself! |
| 15:16.44 | nkuttler | so the ntp service wasn't started after a reboot it seems. the connection refused was from ntpq -p |
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| 15:28.12 | jelly | 3 hours offset is too much, maybe your RTC clock or your VM's host needs fixin |
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| 15:29.45 | jelly | this laptop I use with (don't shoot) Ubuntu on it wakes up from sleep with two hours extra time, UTC vs localtime is wrong somewhere, then OS updates the clock when it reestablishes connection to the internet |
| 15:31.15 | aypea[2] | best to ask on the ubuntu channels. ubuntu does its own thing |
| 15:31.30 | jelly | I'm not asking for help with it |
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| 15:31.58 | jelly | just commenting on a possible RTC issue |
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| 15:59.15 | wintersky | like a pro |
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| 16:10.38 | wintersky | themill: this is how my policy looks like, now, all working https://paste.debian.net/1197899/ |
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| 16:17.02 | jelly | wintersky, that seems a-ok for a testing/unstable setup. If you plan to stick to bullseye, remove sid sooner rather than later and verify which installed package versions or complete packages are not available after that |
| 16:17.38 | wintersky | well jelly, i pinned sid at 99 |
| 16:17.53 | wintersky | which means it only will fetch packages from sid on demand |
| 16:17.59 | jelly | that's not going to help you as much as you hope it is |
| 16:18.31 | wintersky | well, my system wont prioritize sid over bullseye so all is fine |
| 16:18.48 | wintersky | i just pinned it for vbox which, also, does not work properly |
| 16:19.02 | wintersky | and vbox lost it's presence in bullseye |
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| 16:20.38 | jelly | that's okay if you plan to keep on using a testing/unstable mix |
| 16:21.23 | jelly | if you want to stick to bullseye after it's releases try HARD to get rid of ANY repos newer not specifically built for bullseye, esp. newer Debian branches |
| 16:22.42 | jelly | asking about such systems in here will get you a "not supported" answer and suggestions of reinstall |
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| 16:23.47 | jelly | wintersky, it's very, very easy to accidentally pull in a dependency from sid and a) lose track of security support b) use a mix of package versions that noone else uses |
| 16:24.02 | jelly | to avoid that, |
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| 16:24.25 | jelly | make local builds specifically built for bullseye |
| 16:24.39 | jelly | !simple sid backport |
| 16:24.39 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 16:25.19 | jelly | wintersky, so pick a path forward, testing/unstable, or bullseye without unstable |
| 16:25.31 | jelly | if former, |
| 16:25.34 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 16:25.34 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
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| 16:26.43 | jelly | ,checkbackport virtualbox --fromrelease sid |
| 16:26.44 | judd | Backporting package virtualbox in sidâbuster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 12). |
| 16:26.54 | jelly | "might work" |
| 16:28.46 | jelly | wintersky, bullseye/unstable is not fine in the long run even if things work well right now, they will break sooner or later |
| 16:30.12 | wintersky | i have this repo for few packages that should not mess up the dep tree |
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| 17:04.18 | wintersky | jelly: like for instance i might want to update my kernel and firmware at a point, and, this wont mess deps |
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| 17:13.30 | somiaj | !backports |
| 17:13.31 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 17:13.43 | wintersky | backports are not as fast as sid |
| 17:13.46 | somiaj | wintersky: don't mix stable/unstable, learn to use backports, debian provides them (kernels and firmware are very common to backports) |
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| 17:14.01 | somiaj | Of course not, that is because they need to migrate to testing first which means sid users test them out |
| 17:14.04 | wintersky | you don't need to be educated about backports |
| 17:14.19 | somiaj | !don't break debian |
| 17:14.19 | dpkg | hmm... dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 17:14.20 | wintersky | i use them since before they became officiall |
| 17:14.32 | wintersky | my debian is not broken |
| 17:14.38 | wintersky | you |
| 17:14.44 | wintersky | you're taking me for someone else |
| 17:15.08 | wintersky | and pinning might be usefull if you know what you're doing |
| 17:16.34 | somiaj | Mixing stable and unsatble is not supported, using more supported methods is always preferable. |
| 17:17.00 | wintersky | i have no single sid package installed, where is the problem? |
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| 17:59.01 | antto | does anyone know which package exactly do i need to compile windewz native programs from debian? |
| 17:59.14 | antto | there are too many "mingw" packages |
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| 18:00.48 | antto | ah, the meta packages are fooling me, i guess i need the mingw-w64 one? |
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| 18:17.18 | terr | I am setting up multi boot what is z good generic file system to use? |
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| 18:23.26 | EdePopede | terr: i never used anything than the recent extfs. from 2 to 4. |
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| 18:24.18 | terr | I don't think windows likes it |
| 18:24.19 | EdePopede | never tried it explicitely but afaik ext4 is even usable by stoneage linux systems, it just ignores the new features. |
| 18:24.46 | EdePopede | *shrug* i had some tool in my XP days, later a DLL so i could use it even in a filemanager |
| 18:25.14 | EdePopede | only that windows was so f'n stupid to spam EVERY single partition with its special files |
| 18:25.26 | terr | For the Linux partition, probably ext4. It will be the most recent version. |
| 18:26.12 | terr | I need to have windows 7 and 10 available |
| 18:26.14 | EdePopede | you could try it out with a test data partition anyway. just don't put anything important to it as long as you don't trust it. |
| 18:26.33 | terr | Bare drive. |
| 18:27.10 | EdePopede | if you want to go safe then something exFAT or w/e maybe. whatever they use for pendrives. or NTFS, but no idea how linux is with recent versions of it. |
| 18:27.16 | terr | I got a 1TB drive for $40 bux |
| 18:27.58 | echoSMILE | "git verify-tag <tag>" shoul be enough right? |
| 18:27.59 | EdePopede | again, XP. i used its file systems as storage areas at the end, only booted it to checkdisk and clean it up. |
| 18:28.23 | echoSMILE | weird, at one freebsd the verification works, at debian is like it doesn't |
| 18:28.33 | terr | I was thinking NTFS. But you are right. Thumbs use exFat by default |
| 18:28.55 | EdePopede | terr, i was reading something *against* exFAT somewhere. no idea where. maybe... |
| 18:28.57 | EdePopede | !exfat |
| 18:28.58 | dpkg | exFAT (Extended File Allocation Table, <MBR> partition ID 0x07) is a proprietary file system designed for flash drives. A <FUSE> driver providing exFAT read/write support is packaged for Debian as exfat-fuse. http://code.google.com/p/exfat/ . Not to be confused with FATX. |
| 18:29.20 | EdePopede | nope, doesn't sound like "don't use it, it's bad" |
| 18:29.27 | EdePopede | !fatx |
| 18:29.37 | EdePopede | oh |
| 18:29.39 | EdePopede | !coffee |
| 18:29.39 | dpkg | somebody said coffee was the reason the net exists, the drug of choice for a GNU generation, http://www.chez.com/emarsden/downloads/coffee.el , http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Coffee.html , geiseri's favorite beverage, smells better than it tastes. |
| 18:30.11 | terr | I prefer beer |
| 18:32.28 | terr | News is on. They are bitching about a gasoline shortage because of the Colonial pipeline. I don't know why they are worried. They figure windmills will do the job!! |
| 18:32.35 | sney | !ot |
| 18:32.35 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 18:33.18 | terr | Does Debian fully support NTFS? |
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| 18:33.32 | EdePopede | is recent NTFS open source? |
| 18:33.48 | terr | I have no idea |
| 18:35.09 | terr | Its been over a decade since I set up a multiboot machine |
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| 18:36.30 | EdePopede | is long as the specs aren't officially and completely released under a free usage license i wouldn't expect it |
| 18:36.35 | EdePopede | s/is/as/ |
| 18:37.01 | terr | Good point. |
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| 19:08.27 | terr | The debian.org man page seems to say ntfs is fully supported via the ntfs-3g drivers |
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| 19:11.26 | sney | ntfs is fully supported for read/write on separate volumes, but it can't be used for anything that requires unix permissions |
| 19:11.53 | sney | it's also a little slow because of the fuse overhead, but you may not notice that in practice depending on what you're storing on it |
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| 19:24.21 | folti_ | yes, ntfs is supported in deb and you can mount your lin mbr ext3 and ext4 parts with a an 3rd party driver in for ext2/ext3. look it up on the net. i know that it existed at some point. q=ext3/ext4 driver for win 7 |
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| 19:25.24 | folti_ | *in win |
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| 19:27.31 | terr | I haven't installed Debian yet. I am just buying a new machine and they are putting win 7 pro on it. |
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| 19:30.31 | folti_ | the debian gui installer will offer you to install itself along win7. you can make space for your future ext4 partition from win Disk Manager. just format it as fat32 and install debian on ext4 during install process |
| 19:32.44 | EdePopede | really, new machine, win7? my used lenovo came with win10 already. how long until doomsday? |
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| 19:33.18 | EdePopede | oh. january last year already. |
| 19:34.01 | terr | I will repartition when I get it and likely lift the whole image. I think this should be fine (if not please advise). It is a 1TB drive. I sure don't need 1 TB for win 7!!! The question I have is this: at least 3 partitions. Linux, win 7, win 10, probably shared data. So I'll be subdividing the 4th partition. I was doing this months ago and I think I have a plan that works. Oh. 2 more operating systems: win 7 (32 & 64) win 10 (32 & 64) |
| 19:34.05 | folti_ | win7 is actually more private than win10s 'cause of amount of telemetry they can send. if someone needs win-box for some reason and that specific app can run on 7... |
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| 19:36.01 | EdePopede | i only hope the box isn't meant to go online. |
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| 19:37.04 | terr | The machine has a windows 10 (64) installed. This is a new drive which will likely replace the present one. If so... its 64 bit. If external then I want both 32 & 64 so I can usexut on anything and this will include a Raspberry pi |
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| 19:38.47 | terr | Nope. Offline. Debian will go online. Windows is going to be so shut down utcwill think it's in Antarctica at the bottom of Lake vostok |
| 19:39.06 | folti_ | ok, select uefi install option when you install debian (on partitionig part of installer). it will obviousli be gpt, NOT mbr. could be fun if the shared partion would be zfs. it's an ssd or hdd? |
| 19:39.46 | terr | Hdd |
| 19:40.32 | folti_ | zfs is also supported under debian and openzfs is a port for win ;) try zfs as shared. |
| 19:40.59 | terr | Ssd in the rpi but I want to be able to boot from a USB hdd. Don't know why yet. |
| 19:41.25 | terr | I will look into this. |
| 19:42.16 | terr | Only issue for now is what to ask the vendor to do with regard to win 7 installation |
| 19:42.33 | folti_ | it's solved in bois (probably enter/del/F2 key during bootin at early stages) |
| 19:42.54 | terr | Maybe I will ask them to do nothing fir now. |
| 19:43.02 | folti_ | *bios |
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| 19:45.42 | terr | Ya. This is an HP notebook. Looks pretty good and a good price too. I have twin towers as well. I hope I don't need windows but I might for some software I am forced to use |
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| 19:46.31 | somiaj | terr: running win 10 inside a vm works great for lost of things, what I use the few times I have to access windows only software. |
| 19:47.24 | terr | Can the OEM version do this? |
| 19:48.53 | folti_ | what? to change the boot sequence? or to run vms? |
| 19:49.01 | terr | I hate to send any money to that 2 bit company. They have cost me years of my life |
| 19:49.18 | terr | Vm |
| 19:49.18 | somiaj | I'm unsure on the windows license and if running the OEM version that comes with a laptop inside a VM is considered legal or not. |
| 19:49.25 | terr | Visit |
| 19:49.49 | terr | Vms runs on a VAX |
| 19:49.52 | somiaj | This is a bit outside of debian support, I'm just pointing out that I find windows 10 in a vm fairly smooth for no graphical stuff, and gives you access without having to dual boot |
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| 19:50.28 | terr | If it will run this is how I will do it. |
| 19:50.33 | jmcnaught | I would also avoid dual boot and use Windows in a VM if possible. Make sure the laptop supports virtualization before you buy it though. |
| 19:51.38 | EdePopede | <terr> Nope. Offline. Debian will go online. <-- that was also my idea for the lenovo. never been relevant but now with a fritzbox with half a dozen slots, why not. what would be the best way to AUTOMATICALLY have the router block the PC when it's booted into windows? could i fake the MAC in grub or something? |
| 19:51.40 | folti_ | you get a license code from ms with that oem edition, right? you are probably paying it, so ask for it. |
| 19:52.10 | terr | Never thought of that. Let me get the type of cpus. BRB. |
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| 19:52.54 | terr | Hmm. Have to address the routers as well . |
| 19:53.26 | terr | No. It comes with the machine AFAIK |
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| 19:53.49 | terr | I'll ask. |
| 19:54.19 | terr | BRB. Probably be a while |
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| 20:32.55 | forgotmynick | I'm trying to get an additional SFTP user (user2) for user1 but to make sure when user2 creates any files or folders, the ownership stays as user user1 and group user1. user1 has group membership of user1 and sftponly. user2 has group membership of user1 and sftponly and home directory set to /home/user1. Config has "Match Group sftpgroup" and "ChrootDirectory %h". When sftp as user2, I see user1 home directory |
| 20:32.55 | forgotmynick | chrooted perfectly fine, however (obviously) I can't create folders/files. I've seen some posts online referencing setfacl but I don't fully understand how to use it. Please advise? |
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| 20:52.36 | Quietus | I don't think even with setfacl you can replace ownership of a file at creation. You can ensure the permissions stick with a default ACL on the directory but the owner of will still be user2. What problem are you trying to solve with setting the owner to user2? There may be a better approach. |
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| 21:05.44 | jelly | forgotmynick, perhaps bindfs can fit your needs |
| 21:07.13 | earendel | hi. can dd a raw image straight onto a device? |
| 21:07.40 | johnjay | when i look at debian cd images to download one says 'mac' and the other 'edu'? |
| 21:07.43 | johnjay | i can't find what those mean |
| 21:08.05 | jelly | earendel, yes, but be careful abot picking a large enough (output) block size |
| 21:08.39 | sney | johnjay: usually there is a blurb on the cdimage index page, but anyway, 'mac' is for specific older intel mac models and 'edu' contains some education-specific package sets. |
| 21:08.43 | earendel | jelly: okay. what size would you suggest? |
| 21:08.56 | earendel | 1024? |
| 21:08.58 | johnjay | i see |
| 21:08.58 | jelly | earendel, depends on the destination device |
| 21:09.03 | sney | johnjay: the one that does *not* say 'mac' or 'edu' is the one to use for most systems. |
| 21:09.13 | jelly | earendel, what kind of device is it? |
| 21:09.17 | earendel | jolly: an usb thumbstick |
| 21:09.20 | johnjay | ah ok older intel macintosh machines is ee it |
| 21:09.29 | earendel | jelly pardon |
| 21:09.30 | jelly | earendel, bs=4M |
| 21:09.37 | earendel | ok. thanks |
| 21:09.38 | johnjay | intel macintosh still doesn't register as a thing in my brain |
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| 21:10.04 | jelly | earendel, or just use cp instead and let it pick the block size on its own. Yes you can cp onto a /dev/blah |
| 21:10.10 | earendel | jelly: doesn't matter the stick size is larger than the image ...right? |
| 21:10.23 | johnjay | if i download the netinst what are the apt commands to get xfce up and running? just apt-get install xfce4? |
| 21:10.41 | johnjay | i've had issues i recall where xfce got installed but X was not or vice versa |
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| 21:10.56 | earendel | or should i format it at least in the same fs? |
| 21:10.56 | jelly | earendel, maybe not, but it depends on what you're going to do with the image, and what kind of image it is |
| 21:11.06 | jelly | no need to format anything |
| 21:11.16 | sney | johnjay: if you use the netinst with a working network connection, simply select xfce from the installer menu. |
| 21:11.19 | earendel | ok. let's give it a try. thx jelly |
| 21:11.20 | jelly | the image already contains a format |
| 21:11.42 | johnjay | ok i'll try that thanks |
| 21:12.12 | earendel | it should. yeah. however the orgigin partition is smaller than usb size.. i wonder if it will be recreate in the original size. i guess s. |
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| 21:13.35 | jelly | earendel, the origin should not be a partition, it should be a whole device, too |
| 21:13.58 | jelly | unless you're copying a partition to another partition |
| 21:14.08 | earendel | yes yes. i mean the origin partition. |
| 21:14.22 | earendel | though the image is of the whole disk. |
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| 21:14.41 | earendel | i will just try it now. what could go wrong ;0 |
| 21:14.55 | jelly | copy whole disk to whole disk, or partition to partition, don't interchange |
| 21:15.11 | earendel | yup |
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| 21:51.10 | sney | raub: cat /proc/cmdline |
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