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| 00:23.09 | ndroftheline | urgh. so, way back when i was still trying to get debian to run off the fakeraid someone asked me to show a copy of the mdadm.conf from a working centos running on this same hardware. i didn't have the exact hardware running centos. but i just finished installing centos 7 on the fakeraid and booting, and it looks fine. here's the mdadm.conf: https://termbin.com/fs0r |
| 00:25.34 | ndroftheline | for reference, this is the mdadm from the debian install: https://paste.debian.net/1196817/ |
| 00:26.17 | ndroftheline | i have recreated the rste volume since then, which is why it's named rste_vol1 instead of rste_volume0 |
| 00:27.19 | somiaj | wonder if that AUTO line is needed, seems to set up options for your fakeraid (I only partially followed what was going on, I just recall those options being mentioned) |
| 00:28.40 | sney | the idea was to compare it with what debian was doing, but I agree that there is probably some important mojo in the centos conf file |
| 00:29.10 | sney | md126/md127 nodes tend to imply that the array was autodetected, rather than set up explicitly from mdadm.conf |
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| 00:45.17 | ndroftheline | it would be pretty funny if it's just that line |
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| 01:04.15 | impermanence | when I `ip route add foo via bar` are these stored to a file anywhere or to /proc or? |
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| 01:09.47 | somiaj | impermanence: What is your goal here? You can see them with ip route. |
| 01:11.46 | impermanence | somiaj: yeah I mean fair enough. I was thinking I might include in a demo where routes are stored. seems like it's /proc/net/route or whatever. |
| 01:14.11 | somiaj | impermanence: yea, I was going to say I found /proc/net/route, though to me they are just stored in memeory |
| 01:14.28 | impermanence | somiaj: right on. |
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| 01:42.21 | ndroftheline | nah, that line didn't seem to change the behaviour. debian booted from a member disk. the array isn't assembled. |
| 01:43.07 | sney | weird |
| 01:44.04 | ndroftheline | there's nothign in dmesg about md |
| 01:44.24 | sney | I wonder if it's a kernel regression |
| 01:47.01 | ndroftheline | where would i go to report a possible problem like that? |
| 01:48.21 | sney | first you would try to narrow it down, and then you would use the 'reportbug' tool to report it, probably against mdadm or linux itself |
| 01:48.37 | sney | all of this testing has been with debian buster, right? have you tried bullseye? |
| 01:54.43 | ndroftheline | i have not tried bullseye, no. i can't use bullseye, the app we're going to run on this specifies buster. |
| 01:54.48 | ndroftheline | i can try it though |
| 01:55.39 | ndroftheline | would i be able to boot into a bullseye installer using the same netinst iso? |
| 01:55.56 | ndroftheline | nope |
| 01:56.08 | sney | you would need to download it from https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 02:04.47 | ndroftheline | well while i wait for that to download (lol) i decided to try and install centos8...but it just failed to initiate the software raid too, i saw the message as it booted. so it might in fact be a kernel regression. |
| 02:10.04 | ndroftheline | then again, might have been spurious. fakeraid volume showed up fine and is now installing. |
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| 02:18.26 | sney | even centos 8 is on an older kernel than buster, so it's still on the table |
| 02:22.13 | ndroftheline | oh, yeh i should have checked that first ey |
| 02:23.20 | ndroftheline | yeh centos8 seems to handle it correctly as well. |
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| 02:30.32 | ndroftheline | exciting. in bullseye it's maybe "more" broken than in buster |
| 02:31.19 | ndroftheline | in buster, having created the fakeraid volume in bios, it shows up as an installable device to the installer. |
| 02:31.45 | ndroftheline | in bullseye it doesn't even show up until i call mdadm -As |
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| 03:45.24 | Razva | Hello. Except Uyuni (which is based on SUSE) and Ubuntu Landscape (which is very expensive) do you know any (free/very cheap) central dashboard with a WebUI that can monitor multiple servers updates? |
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| 03:57.23 | somiaj | !free whcp |
| 03:57.23 | dpkg | FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig> and <ispCP> Omega. Don't use <Webmin>. http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels |
| 03:57.35 | somiaj | Maybe look at those |
| 04:00.27 | Razva | yeah those are great for servers one by one, but none of them shows a central space where it just states "here are all the servers, here are all the updates". |
| 04:00.37 | Razva | just for my curiosity, why not webmin? |
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| 04:08.05 | somiaj | !webmin |
| 04:08.05 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 04:09.30 | somiaj | I think many people just don't like web based control pannels when there are often real decent command line tools for this that don't expose your server control to the web. |
| 04:09.48 | somiaj | though I don't know a solution to your problem, I wasn't sure if any of the whcp would work on multiple servers or not. |
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| 04:12.48 | somiaj | though stick around, others here do use various tools to control multiple servers and should have more experience and better responses to something that might suit your needs. |
| 04:13.04 | somiaj | I hear various people mention ansible here, seems that has a webbased ui |
| 04:14.19 | somiaj | maybe something such as https://github.com/ansible/awx, though as always research this a bit, I'm just sharing some software I've heard others in here mention, and haven't used it myself. |
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| 04:15.11 | nkuttler | Razva: saltstack also has an api, and there is a saltgui tool which is a web frontend |
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| 04:15.31 | nkuttler | if you have the resources you could also build your own on top of any config management that has an api.. |
| 04:15.58 | somiaj | I have known people who have also used zabbix has a tool to monotor multiple servers, though unsure if it provides a webbased ui for this |
| 04:16.30 | nkuttler | it certainly has a web frontend, not sure though about running upgrades through it |
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| 04:17.10 | somiaj | yea, Ravza might have to decide how much they want to just have a central monitor vs a full control pannel, or maybe a combination. |
| 04:18.55 | Razva | thank you very much for the recommendations! |
| 04:19.18 | Razva | currently I'm monitoring with Zabbix, which is great, but doesn't has any kind of "click here to update" option |
| 04:19.30 | Razva | I'm currently looking into Ansible and Salt |
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| 07:34.05 | Lope | Let's say I can run 3 SSD's in gen3 Raid 0 (RAID0 of 3 SSD's) OR 3 SSD's in Gen3 plus 1 in Gen2 (RAID0 of 4 SSD' |
| 07:34.07 | Lope | s) |
| 07:34.11 | Lope | what would be faster? |
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| 07:45.16 | lupulo | that seems like debian ssd testing |
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| 08:09.27 | jelly | Lope, what does "Gen3" or "Gen3 plus 1 in Gen2" mean? |
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| 08:21.20 | Lope | PCI-E comes in different generations, each one transfers data at a diff speed. |
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| 08:25.54 | jelly | do you expect each single device to saturate the PCIe links? How many links each uses is important |
| 08:26.15 | Lope | storage workloads vary |
| 08:26.27 | jelly | this is more a question for ##hardware |
| 08:26.32 | Lope | some workloads might saturate the links, other workloads are random and do not saturate the links. |
| 08:26.35 | Lope | All good. |
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| 08:27.53 | jelly | no simple answer, multiply your links and generation, look at the theoretical numbers, and try to find exactly how PCIe is connected on your board |
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| 08:48.18 | brigand | hi. how do i grep for "$a"? |
| 08:49.25 | TheBigK | grep \$a ? |
| 08:49.37 | TheBigK | or do u want to include "" as well |
| 08:50.32 | brigand | no, just $a |
| 08:50.50 | brigand | but \$a doesn't work for me. but i have grep -Ei set as an alias for grep |
| 08:50.51 | jelly | brigand, grep '\$a' |
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| 08:51.08 | jelly | $ has a special meaning in regex syntax. |
| 08:51.09 | brigand | jelly: thank you |
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| 08:52.30 | jelly | grep -F '$a' would have worked, but grep uses RE by default (basic RE), and -E uses ERE, both BRE and ERE use $ to mean "place at the end of string" |
| 08:53.02 | brigand | ah, right |
| 08:53.34 | brigand | so is setting -F instead of -E better? |
| 08:53.58 | jelly | that really depends on the exact thing you're looking for |
| 08:54.08 | brigand | yeah |
| 08:54.31 | jelly | if you need extended RE, use -E. If you NEED case insensitivity, use -i |
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| 08:54.38 | tuxinator | Hi guys |
| 08:54.51 | tuxinator | Any reason why the Changelog link on https://packages.debian.org/stretch/nginx is broken? |
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| 08:55.04 | tuxinator | asked the same in #Ubuntu as they use your package |
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| 08:55.22 | tuxinator | forgot to mention on stretch |
| 08:55.23 | jelly | brigand, if you need to search for a specific substring and don't need regex, use -F |
| 08:56.24 | brigand | jelly: thank you |
| 08:56.29 | jelly | tuxinator, it's a long standing issue, try this: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/nginx |
| 08:56.45 | tuxinator | oh, thx for pointing this out! |
| 08:57.03 | jelly | tuxinator, click on the second icon next to the right version below "versioned links" |
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| 08:57.26 | jelly | https://tracker.debian.org/media/packages/n/nginx/changelog-1.10.3-1deb9u5 in this case |
| 08:57.58 | tuxinator | Thank you so much! |
| 08:58.50 | jelly | tracker.debian.org/packagename ought to work as well |
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| 09:01.29 | ceegee | hi, is there a way to perform apt(-get) upgrade without restarting updated daemons? |
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| 09:08.31 | oxek | jelly: thanks, I didn't know changelogs for security updates were available through that workaround |
| 09:09.06 | oxek | ceegee: they shouldn't restart automatically |
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| 09:09.53 | oxek | if you have needrestart package installed, you'll get a prompt |
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| 09:11.57 | jelly | dpkg, tell ceegee -about policy-rc.d |
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| 09:13.04 | jelly | oxek, most services DO get stopped in the prerm pre-upgrade step, packages upgraded, then started in new version's postinst configure |
| 09:13.42 | ceegee | oxek: but they do. I tried it just a few minutes ago. puppet agent does restart, postgres also. |
| 09:14.12 | ceegee | I would like to patch our systems during workhours but do the restarts afterwards |
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| 09:19.24 | oxek | jelly: oh really? that's odd, I must be remembering it wrong. |
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| 09:26.22 | ceegee | jelly: so /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d is a file and not a folder as ususal by the .d naming convention? its a bit confusing |
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| 09:29.06 | ceegee | ok, makes sense because its located under /usr/sbin |
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| 10:13.26 | FightingFalcon | anyone using bitwise SSH client? |
| 10:13.30 | FightingFalcon | sorry i was offline |
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| 10:18.02 | ratrace | !anyone |
| 10:18.02 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 11:01.50 | oxek | is there an easy way of finding out which ones of my currently installed packages have an update available in backports? |
| 11:02.17 | oxek | I'm thinking of increasing the pin of backports repo to some high value and then do `apt list --upgradable` |
| 11:02.21 | oxek | but perhaps there's a better way |
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| 11:16.32 | ratrace | oxek: why do you even pin? you can install specific packages from backports using apt install -t buster-backports <package> . After that, it'll automatically upgrade if there's newer version, for regular `apt upgrade` (without -t) |
| 11:18.01 | oxek | ratrace: I know that, I just want to discover which packages have versions in backports, without upgrading to those packages. |
| 11:18.26 | ratrace | apt upgrade -s -t buster-backports ? |
| 11:18.27 | oxek | i.e. something equivalent to `apt list --installed --has-a-version-in-backports` |
| 11:18.45 | oxek | oh |
| 11:19.05 | oxek | I didn't know that would work, thanks |
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| 11:26.29 | oxek | ratrace: thanks it does exactly what I need. I didn't think of this combination. |
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| 11:34.11 | ratrace | oxek: npp |
| 11:34.17 | ratrace | *np |
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| 12:14.00 | McErroneous | Is it known, that mounding a local repository via NFS.., is breaking some of apt-get features ? |
| 12:16.36 | McErroneous | I did not know .., until some weeks ago..., apparently APT is designed to work properly via ftp or http, but not via local mounted filesystems..., right ? |
| 12:17.23 | McErroneous | well at least "apt-get -d install" wont download files to /var/cache/apt/archives... |
| 12:17.43 | McErroneous | but it would report successful download... |
| 12:17.59 | McErroneous | my question , where did the file go ? |
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| 12:23.57 | oxek | McErroneous: apt runs under its own user, so that might be a problem for NFS |
| 12:25.48 | McErroneous | idk.. |
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| 12:27.39 | jelly | McErroneous, what does the deb line for your repo look like? |
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| 12:31.10 | McErroneous | cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hdd_repo.list |
| 12:31.30 | McErroneous | : |
| 12:31.31 | McErroneous | :! |
| 12:31.34 | McErroneous | !: |
| 12:31.42 | jelly | !paste |
| 12:31.42 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: https://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: https://imgbb.com/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): https://filebin.net or https://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <termbin>. |
| 12:31.56 | McErroneous | it is a single line. |
| 12:32.12 | McErroneous | but i forget how to get the output in irssi |
| 12:32.29 | jelly | just copy/paste from another terminal |
| 12:33.00 | jelly | later, you can learn about /exec -o cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hdd_repo.list |
| 12:33.28 | McErroneous | deb file:/mnt/hdd/MyCB/repository/auto/i386_full/mirror/ftp.us.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 12:34.13 | jelly | that seems like valid syntax |
| 12:35.31 | jelly | apt will still download the .deb files, ie. copy them from the repo into /var/cache/apt/archives, as needed |
| 12:35.51 | jelly | the obvious optimization isn't done |
| 12:35.51 | McErroneous | jelly: nope, it didnt... |
| 12:35.56 | jelly | !bat |
| 12:35.56 | dpkg | [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 12:36.29 | jelly | McErroneous, if something is failing with apt, follow the steps above |
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| 12:37.38 | McErroneous | maybe at some point in future.., i am not familiar with aptitude..., nor have i ever used "apt-cache policy" - command... |
| 12:37.40 | oxek | a lot has changed in apt between squeeze and buster/bullseye, so it might be something strange |
| 12:38.39 | jelly | McErroneous, apt-get/apt/aptitude means "whichever command you used" |
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| 12:41.12 | McErroneous | ok thanks.., right now , it is not much of a concern to me. i should have used ftp straight away...., but i wasn't aware of ...this |
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| 12:44.45 | McErroneous | i think "ftp" could deliver a higher throughput on this 266 MHZ NAS with Gigabit-port..., (10MB/sec) |
| 12:45.11 | jelly | look, if you want help, you have to answer our questions and provide info |
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| 12:45.37 | McErroneous | all right.., see ya .. |
| 12:45.51 | ratrace | you can't get more than 266 bits per second on a 266 MHz cpu. in fact, due to nyquist frequency etc... the theoretical max is half of that, let alone any processing of those packets |
| 12:46.00 | ratrace | 266 MBps (mega bits, I mean) |
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| 12:46.51 | jelly | maybe the obvious optimization is done after all |
| 12:47.36 | jelly | Get:1 file:/net/mirror/debian stretch/main i386 vim-gtk i386 2:8.0.0197-4+deb9u3 [1327 kB] |
| 12:47.36 | jelly | Download complete and in download only mode |
| 12:47.46 | jelly | (not downloaded, really) |
| 12:47.53 | oxek | ratrace: is that a joke? |
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| 12:51.17 | ratrace | oxek: not at all |
| 12:51.41 | oxek | things have not been running in lockstep for a while |
| 12:52.06 | oxek | plus there's DMA and all sorts of other things |
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| 12:53.25 | ratrace | but for 266 MHz gen cpus? |
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| 12:58.58 | oxek | it's probably some mips/arm machine, and that's the lowest clockspeed |
| 12:59.14 | oxek | I seriously doubt they are running some pentium II |
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| 13:01.34 | ratrace | dunno. I've seen people repurpose old machines found in the attic or basement :) |
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| 13:02.02 | ratrace | I think there's even an ATARI ST server online serving a single page... |
| 13:03.14 | oxek | true, it is possible |
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| 13:06.19 | imMute | ratrace: why do you assume the CPU can only move one bit per cycle? |
| 13:06.43 | imMute | ratrace: also, nyquist doesn't apply as there's no analog signal involved. |
| 13:09.18 | oxek | back in my day, CPU communicated using sound waves with the other components |
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| 14:39.51 | wwilliam | how do i do pscp.pssg from remot to local? |
| 14:40.02 | wwilliam | pscp.pssh* |
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| 15:25.11 | pflanze | Is there a tool, that, called without env vars for an X session (e.g. from crontab), finds an active X session of the current user and sets the environment variables correspondingly? |
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| 15:26.45 | pflanze | To be called something like `with-X mycmd arg1 arg2`. |
| 15:28.02 | karlpinc | pflanze: I don't really know dbus, but that sounds like something to use dbus for. |
| 15:28.06 | pflanze | Finding the X session isn't so trivial as reading from "xauth list" there might be multiple, in which case it's about figuring out which one is most likely to be seen. |
| 15:28.57 | karlpinc | pflanze: Send to all of them? |
| 15:29.45 | pflanze | If it's just about messages, perhaps. But mycmd might be something somewhat more complex. |
| 15:29.45 | karlpinc | pflanze: Or, if you want to guarentee delivery, send an email. :-) |
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| 15:30.10 | pflanze | It's not just about sending a message. |
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| 15:31.54 | pflanze | Even if in my current case it "is", I consciously do *not* want to send a desktop notification as those disappear into the void if unseen for a bit. |
| 15:32.29 | pflanze | And I don't want to send mail as I won't see that quickly. |
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| 15:33.19 | karlpinc | pflanze: Ok. So send a text. The services are very cheap. You just have to know that SMS texts will "mostly get there". |
| 15:33.58 | pflanze | I've set DISPLAY explicitly forever in some scripts and it works fine for me, but I'm tired of scripting it myself badly. It should exist. |
| 15:34.43 | pflanze | I don't like my phone and don't have it with me, I don't always see SMS even if I do; I sit at my desktop and want to see it there. |
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| 15:36.04 | karlpinc | pflanze: Write something that "always runs" when you're logged in. Talk to it; tell it to put up a dialog box or something. You _could_ use incron.... |
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| 15:36.34 | karlpinc | pflanze: Probably better to write to a socket. |
| 15:37.21 | pflanze | Could do. But I think I'd rather just write with-X myself. |
| 15:38.13 | karlpinc | pflanze: I don't like the guessing part of your design. But whatever works for you. |
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| 15:40.26 | pflanze | My thought is to just walk /proc/\d+/environ and count how many times a session is used. I'm not even sure why I have a second session in xauth right now. Will find out. |
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| 15:52.08 | pflanze | "notify-send -u critical $msg" actually makes the notification stay around longer, no idea whether forever. |
| 15:52.17 | pflanze | But the lol part is that it also needs DISPLAY. |
| 15:52.59 | pflanze | (or does it? Double checking.) |
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| 15:55.55 | pflanze | (Yep it does. Otherwise it *silently* fails.) |
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| 17:02.36 | deadrom | hi |
| 17:03.13 | deadrom | when I use the -c / --checksum option on rsync, does it calc *all* checksums before starting to copy? |
| 17:04.36 | deadrom | I ran rsync -axcHAWX --info=progress2 /mnt/storage /mnt/newstorage/ -- rsync stays silent despite the progress2 option and dstat -d show plenty reads but no writes |
| 17:05.57 | somiaj | deadrom: from manpage, "Generating the checksums means that both sides will expend a lot of disk I/O reading all the data in the files in the transfer (and this is prior to any reading that will be done to transfer changed files), so this can slow things down significantly." |
| 17:06.44 | somiaj | so yes all the checksums are computed before any copying is done as it determines what to copy |
| 17:07.31 | deadrom | "prior to any reading that will be done to transfer changed files" <- I know man pages can be hard, but that's just plain disgusting |
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| 17:07.45 | deadrom | ok, that's gonna take ages. thanks |
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| 17:11.18 | deadrom | any quicker method of transfering old disk to new disk both locally in the same machine safely? I was thinking to just ddrescue old new and expand the fs. If there are any errors along the way ddrescue would tell me, wouldn't it? |
| 17:13.09 | somiaj | If your filesystem is fairly empty, copying the files will be quicker just due to the size of the copy. And yes, ddrescue (or even dd or cp) will let you know if there are any errors in reading/writing the data. |
| 17:13.24 | somiaj | oh wait, grr, sorry got you confused with someone else.. |
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| 17:14.44 | deadrom | nah, disks is pretty full. ddrecscue is an option. cp -a did not go so well, left me with different md5sums for a handful of files when due to crappy connections the disk had sata link resets in between |
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| 17:15.59 | somiaj | ahh so trying to rescue from a failing disk? Unsure there, I have a disk that I want to get data off of that just has to many i/o errors. |
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| 17:16.46 | deadrom | so the disks are fine, I *think*, I just used a pice of drive swap cage and I think that extra connection was not so cool |
| 17:17.17 | somiaj | I'm unsure if ddrescue will have any better luck if your getting i/o errors resets, I would first try a better connection. |
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| 17:17.42 | merazi | hallo :-) |
| 17:17.45 | deadrom | that I addressed already. will monitor messages along |
| 17:17.50 | somiaj | though I haven't used ddrescue, so unsure if it has better error checking to ensure a copy, will keep retrying if it encounters an error. |
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| 17:29.02 | EdePopede | does debian come with something more sophisticated than Mediainfo to show some basic structures of media files? |
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| 17:48.53 | karlpinc | EdePopede: You could try using debtags to search. (But I don't see tags attached to mediainfo so can't say what the right tag would be.) |
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| 17:50.08 | EdePopede | karlpinc: you're right, didn't think of them right now. i'll look for some related packages and see what they come with. |
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| 17:52.26 | jhutchins | EdePopede: https://alternativeto.net/software/mediainfo/ |
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| 17:54.40 | jpmh | It seems that Debian does not have all the up-to-date code pagesfor unicode that Ubuntu has - am I missing something, code 1f966 for example works fin on Ubuntu and does not dislay the empji on Debian - older unicode charaters such as 00e9 are fine |
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| 17:56.13 | EdePopede | jhutchins: doublethanks. besides reminding me of alternativeto, the 1st hit is GSpot and i couldn't remember its name for years now. used it on XP, pretty nice tool. |
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| 18:08.21 | karlpinc | jpmh: I install the "unifont" package. But there may be others. For the "latest", you might need to upgrade to bullseye. |
| 18:09.04 | warsoul | what tools i can used to make my own distro debian based? |
| 18:09.16 | karlpinc | jpmh: As a rule, Debian does not install a whole lot of stuff by default. |
| 18:10.21 | karlpinc | warsoul: Copy the Debian installer, rename it, and put it on your web page? This is not really the right channel to ask. This is for those who need help with Debian itself. |
| 18:10.32 | oxek | EdePopede: if you find some neat alternative to mediainfo, please post it here. I am quite happy with mediainfo, but am always looking for good tools. |
| 18:11.09 | oxek | I do mediainfo, and then view info in mpv & vlc, and then maybe exiftool |
| 18:11.45 | oxek | and of course you all forget about gspot... |
| 18:12.02 | karlpinc | file O;-) |
| 18:14.27 | jpmh | karlpinc: ty so much - superficial tesing seems to indicate that is all I needed |
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| 18:18.45 | karlpinc | jpmh: Read the description of the unifont package. It does not do everything "right", the goal is to display _something_ for every glyph. |
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| 18:19.52 | jpmh | karlpinc: TY - as long as it does as much as Ubuntu doesI'll be happy - we are trying to transition from Ubuntu to Debian and this is one of the evry few issues we have found |
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| 18:22.49 | jhutchins | oxek: You might be interested in the link I posted. It lists at least ten alternatives (not sure all are linux). |
| 18:22.57 | karlpinc | jpmh: The other "big one", imo, is using the unofficial installer with non-free firmware included to do the installs. Just makes it easier. (See the <firmware images> factoid.) |
| 18:23.20 | jhutchins | oxek: If you search "mediainfo alternative" you'll get plenty of hits. |
| 18:23.55 | jpmh | jhutchins: to us that is not a problem, We have to be PCI compliant and are audited so we generally are somewhat disinclined to rab too much |
| 18:25.02 | karlpinc | !firmware images |
| 18:25.02 | dpkg | There are <live> system and <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages available from https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ The images are "unofficial" because "official Debian" includes only 100% free software. They are otherwise identical to the normal installer images and prepared by the same Debian Developers. See <check iso>. |
| 18:28.19 | oxek | jhutchins: it lists alternatives, yes, but I like the further refinement of 1) being available in debian 2) actually working in debian |
| 18:28.29 | oxek | which is not something one finds on websites usually |
| 18:28.36 | oxek | and if one does, then it is usually many years old |
| 18:29.14 | oxek | or the sadder cases of 'has been available in debian at some point, but was removed' |
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| 18:34.11 | EdePopede | karlpinc: file only returns 'data' for mpeg2 TS ;) |
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| 18:34.37 | oxek | oh right I also use `file` |
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| 18:47.16 | jhutchins | oxek: You'll have to work a little harder then. |
| 18:47.42 | jhutchins | oxek: Maybe figure out how to use existing Debian tools. |
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| 18:50.10 | oxek | I could work harder, yes, but I could also try to rely a bit more on others when they are already on the quest of finding a suitable tool - and at the end of their journey of discovery they can let me know what they found, if anything. Which is exactly what I did :) |
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| 19:00.47 | Walex2 | oxek: 'apt-cache search' is often useful, or packages.debian.org, and then you can check the results further |
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| 19:34.12 | karlpinc | !search |
| 19:34.12 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. «apt-cache search regex», or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): «dpkg -S /bin/foo», <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and «/msg judd help file» (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. See also <axi-search> <debtags> <dlocate>. |
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| 20:01.26 | longshot | Is there anything I can do to find out why a filesystem is busy? |
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| 20:03.07 | greycat | fuser, lsof |
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| 20:03.50 | greycat | ,file bin/fuser |
| 20:03.56 | judd | Search for bin/fuser in buster/amd64: psmisc: bin/fuser |
| 20:05.05 | greycat | specifically, fuser -m /mountpoint |
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| 20:42.03 | DJAnonimo | hello. is there possible that debian 11 sometimes do a scan on boot time? I dont have display attached I just see HDD led is on |
| 20:42.46 | sney | there is a filesystem check run at every boot, but usually it exits within a few seconds if the journal reports no issues |
| 20:45.47 | greycat | A longer scan will be performed every X days or every Y mounts, by default. I don't know the values of X and Y. |
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| 20:46.30 | greycat | Ideally you should see this in your journalctl once the system is up, if it did happen. |
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| 20:51.04 | jhutchins | ,checkbackport calibre |
| 20:51.27 | jhutchins | !checkbackport calibre |
| 20:51.31 | judd | Backporting package calibre in sidâbuster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 13), poppler-utils (>= 0.85.0), pyqt5-dev (>= 5.15.0+dfsg-1+exp1~), python3-mechanize, python3-py7zr, python3-pyqt5.qtwebengine (>= 5.12.1-4+b1), python3-pyqtbuild, python3-sipbuild, qtbase5-dev (>= 5.12), sip-tools. |
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| 20:58.00 | sney | jhutchins: probably fastest to test it in a bullseye vm |
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| 21:00.33 | incal | o/ [SML] I tried to do the simplest, almost, of grammars, just to add two integers, but didn't do that right as reports errors after compile (-m), here is the file, what do you think? https://dataswamp.org/~incal/rss/parser/add.grm TIA |
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| 21:36.34 | jhutchins | sney: That's a thought. |
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| 21:37.57 | jhutchins | sney: What's your pick for VM systems? I use VirtualBox on Windows to run Linux machines, worked great. |
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| 21:53.01 | DJAnonimo | greycat: how to disable scanning every X reboot? how is this called? |
| 21:53.07 | DJAnonimo | i'm googing without luck |
| 21:54.07 | ratrace | DJAnonimo: what scan? |
| 21:54.45 | DJAnonimo | on boot |
| 21:55.03 | DJAnonimo | I think that my debian 11 sometimes run a disk scan at startup |
| 21:55.11 | DJAnonimo | I dont have a display but I see HDD LED is active |
| 21:56.19 | abrotman | scanning your filesystem? |
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| 21:56.41 | DJAnonimo | yes |
| 21:56.50 | DJAnonimo | I know that something like this exists |
| 21:56.59 | DJAnonimo | when I installed linux really long long time ago |
| 21:57.00 | abrotman | what is the filesystem type? |
| 21:58.43 | DJAnonimo | the one is preinstalled on raspberry PI image |
| 21:58.43 | ratrace | DJAnonimo: if you're talking about fsck, iirc you can disable that by setting 0 in the last column of the fstab |
| 21:58.57 | DJAnonimo | I dont gave PC conencted to the netwoek now |
| 21:58.59 | abrotman | DJAnonimo: ext3? ext4? xfs? |
| 21:59.06 | abrotman | tune2fs is another method |
| 21:59.09 | DJAnonimo | https://my.esecuredata.com/index.php?/knowledgebase/article/110/skip-or-permanently-bypass-fsck-check-on-linux |
| 22:03.29 | jhutchins | DJAnonimo: Why would you want to shoot yourself in the foot like that though? |
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| 22:10.14 | DJAnonimo | jhutchins: ? |
| 22:11.10 | DJAnonimo | this is what I have LABEL=RASPIROOT / ext4 rw 0 1 |
| 22:11.14 | DJAnonimo | LABEL=RASPIFIRM /boot/firmware vfat rw 0 2 |
| 22:11.20 | DJAnonimo | 2 lines uncommented |
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| 22:11.24 | DJAnonimo | in fstab |
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| 22:11.50 | jhutchins | DJAnonimo: There's a reason that's built in to almost every linux system. |
| 22:12.25 | DJAnonimo | yes. for servers to run it every few months/years, not every day |
| 22:12.35 | DJAnonimo | I need system to be up in 40 seconds every time |
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| 22:13.06 | jhutchins | DJAnonimo: It's usually set to a reasonable length of time. |
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| 22:13.33 | DJAnonimo | it count reboot times |
| 22:13.39 | DJAnonimo | not only time |
| 22:13.39 | jhutchins | DJAnonimo: Why shut the system down if you need it that quickly? Just leave it up, and plan on a little time for periodic maintenance. |
| 22:13.53 | DJAnonimo | jhutchins: its on battery ;) |
| 22:14.17 | jhutchins | DJAnonimo: Desktops are far more likely to have file system problems than servers. |
| 22:14.37 | DJAnonimo | its a server |
| 22:14.43 | DJAnonimo | used for 30 minutes per day |
| 22:15.24 | DJAnonimo | so I need to change: LABEL=RASPIROOT / ext4 rw 0 1 to LABEL=RASPIROOT / ext4 rw 0 0 ? |
| 22:15.50 | jhutchins | DJAnonimo: man fstab |
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| 22:18.18 | DJAnonimo | Defaults to zero (don't fsck) if not present. |
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| 22:38.32 | jhutchins | There you go. Systemd might mess with you on this. |
| 22:39.04 | jhutchins | DJAnonimo: You might consider hibernate/suspend instead of shutdown. |
| 22:39.17 | jhutchins | DJAnonimo: Do you have backups? |
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| 22:41.13 | sney | jhutchins: virtualbox is fine, but you'd have to use 3rd party debs from oracle (ew) to use it on stable. I tend to use virt-manager (a libvirt/qemu frontend) for quick test vms on my local system. IME it has essentially the same functionality as virtualbox with some of the buttons in different places. |
| 22:43.35 | DJAnonimo | jhutchins: I have a image backup sure |
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| 22:50.24 | abrotman | Is it libcaca that converts images to ascii art? |
| 22:51.15 | mutante | yea, that sounds very familiar |
| 22:51.20 | mutante | and toilet uses it, appropriately, right? |
| 22:51.37 | mutante | ah, no "dd" used it |
| 22:51.41 | mutante | bb |
| 22:52.44 | mutante | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libcaca |
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| 23:11.07 | s3a | Hello to everyone who's reading this. :) Does anyone know how to use the GNU / Linux command-line interface to change passwords of odt (and ods, etc.) files (assuming that it is possible to do)? I wasn't able to get it done with the libreoffice, lowriter and unoconv CLI utilities. (I'm trying to change passwords of files in bulk with a script.) |
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| 23:19.12 | ectospasm | s3a: /join #libreoffice, they're more likely to know an answer to your question. |
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