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| 00:02.13 | sney | Arc1: it'd probably be a little faster than my old eeepc with its atom n270 and only 1GB of memory. not an incredibly fast boot, but no more than a couple minutes at the outside |
| 00:05.17 | KNERD | I got some circa 2009 Intel Atom mother boards with 4GB of RAM and SSD, and they load Windows 10 probably in 15 seconds |
| 00:05.42 | KNERD | the GUI experience is not optimal, but acceptable |
| 00:06.02 | sney | I'd still be using that eee for something if the motherboard hadn't crapped out |
| 00:06.27 | Arc1 | if I am getting longer boot times, what could be the culprit? |
| 00:06.28 | sney | with a ssd in it, it was totally usable for typing or irc |
| 00:06.44 | sney | 'systemd-analyze blame' can give you a boot time report |
| 00:06.59 | sney | if your disks are as old as the rest of your system, one of them could be failing, that can slow down a lot of stuff |
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| 00:07.57 | KNERD | i would try presses the ESC key so you can see what is hanging |
| 00:08.24 | Arc1 | what does ESC do in that case? |
| 00:08.37 | KNERD | it will show the boot sequence |
| 00:09.05 | Arc1 | in Debian only or in buntu as well? |
| 00:09.06 | KNERD | and look at the drive activity light , if it has one |
| 00:09.19 | KNERD | should be in all Distros |
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| 00:12.53 | KNERD | For a hanging example, your network card is connected to a switch, but not to a router. It will hang for a while trying to get an IP address if you have it set to DHCP |
| 00:12.55 | Urk | I was hoping to find someone who actually had experience installing 10.7 on a Dell XPS 1590 |
| 00:14.08 | KNERD | man, just use a live boot and see how well it goes |
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| 00:16.52 | Arc1 | in a multiboot system with two OS's each on a separate ext4 partition, is there a problem with indicating that the mount point for each is "/" or will some stuff get overwritten? |
| 00:19.50 | slowly_stuck | that's fine, Arc1. |
| 00:21.00 | slowly_stuck | only the running OS gets to decide where things are mounted. you don't want to have two entries per fstab both mounting on /, though. |
| 00:21.56 | Arc1 | I got spooked, cause when trying to instal a 2nd OS, the installer told me some files will be overwriten... |
| 00:22.37 | slowly_stuck | that sounds like you told the installer that both things were mounting on /, which is the two-entries-per-fstab. |
| 00:26.00 | Arc1 | perhaps the issue is my reading comprehension but: For the partition of the new OS, installer says: "no root file system is defined" (partition is already formated as ext4) - if it is asking for a mount point what should the correct answer be? |
| 00:26.47 | KNERD | In this day and age of virtualization, who needs multiboot? |
| 00:27.15 | slowly_stuck | Arc1: that should mount on /. perhaps it's telling you that files will be overwritten because the partition you're installing on already has data? or you're formatting it? |
| 00:28.03 | Arc1 | slowly_stuck: no the new partition is empty, the installer was talking about system files |
| 00:29.14 | somiaj | It might noly check that the file system exsists, and not really look at what is on it |
| 00:29.38 | somiaj | so if you are mounting on a preformated filesystem the installer might just be saying, hey you sure you want to do this, you could overwrite data |
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| 00:31.36 | Arc1 | the partition was preformated as ext4 by Gparted; I just wanted to be sure I don't damage the partition of the existing OS... |
| 00:32.55 | somiaj | The installer is just being extra cautions, it doesn't know what is on a file system, only that it is there, and makes sure you want to go forward. |
| 00:33.32 | somiaj | Provided you pointed it at the correct partition, you'll be fine, if you pointed it at the wrong partition, you can overwrite data, but the installer doesn't know which is right or which is wrong, it is just giving you a warning |
| 00:34.45 | Arc1 | ok, thank's ya'all for all the wisdom and help :) |
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| 01:13.39 | Dude-Meister | goes into the kitchen an pours a cup of coffee |
| 01:14.20 | Dude-Meister | WHAT?! The thing on the door SAID to make myself at home! :) I didn't make a mass. |
| 01:14.25 | Dude-Meister | mess* |
| 01:14.53 | ratrace | what drugs you on |
| 01:14.56 | somiaj | Dude-Meister: this is a Debian support channel, do you have questions about debian? |
| 01:14.57 | Dude-Meister | Running Debian, latest stable. |
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| 01:15.54 | Dude-Meister | Shopping to build a new rig FOR Debian. (Windows 7 was what my current machine(s) were designed around - and now it's a whole new ball-game - thank goodness) |
| 01:16.38 | Dude-Meister | So . . . I'm on a buget and thinking now may be a good time to move to a Xeon platform rather than Core i3/5/7 |
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| 01:17.50 | Dude-Meister | So, given I'd like to shop used, AND retain my chasis and PSU's, I'm also looking for DDR3 ECC era board and CPU to run Debian Buster on. |
| 01:18.24 | Dude-Meister | I've never run a Zeon, or built a Zeon based box, so i need help knowing what to look for. |
| 01:18.43 | Dude-Meister | Zeon. yeah. oops |
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| 01:20.00 | Dude-Meister | On die graphics is fine for what I do, and I'd like at least on slot with 8 lanes for LSI based HBA |
| 01:20.49 | Dude-Meister | Can anyone here offer some ideas of a mo-bo that will support what i'm after? |
| 01:21.11 | Dude-Meister | Or, suggest a different channel where people are "Into that sort of thing?" :) |
| 01:21.52 | oxek | ##hardware is a good bet |
| 01:22.12 | Dude-Meister | Very cool. |
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| 01:23.42 | Dude-Meister | Rolls the "Beverages adn Deserts" cart over to oxek. |
| 01:23.49 | Dude-Meister | :) |
| 01:23.55 | oxek | :) |
| 01:25.01 | oxek | from the perspective of debian, Supermicro boards for intel platform should be supported very well, especially in combination with Xeon and ECC RAM |
| 01:25.20 | Dude-Meister | "Thank you" is nice, but who doesn't like a nice slice of old world cheesecake and a good cup of coffee, eh? |
| 01:25.29 | oxek | those boards often include Intel network cards too, which too are well supported |
| 01:26.18 | Dude-Meister | Yeah, it's be nice to have at least two NIC ports. |
| 01:26.29 | Dude-Meister | Gigabit is all. |
| 01:27.12 | Dude-Meister | I've got a great inwin - no no - it's ummmmmm Lian-Li |
| 01:27.31 | oxek | I can confirm that Supermicro X11SCH-F works 100% with debian, 64GB RAM, some cheap Xeon, all 3 network cards fine. Of course having latest firmware. |
| 01:27.45 | Dude-Meister | I snagged it from a local company that was - struggling. It's a custom Frozen CPU box. |
| 01:28.13 | Dude-Meister | Firmware doesn't scare me. :) |
| 01:28.18 | oxek | it should |
| 01:28.36 | Dude-Meister | Nope. |
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| 01:28.43 | Dude-Meister | 1.44 floppy in hand |
| 01:28.49 | Dude-Meister | NP |
| 01:29.13 | Dude-Meister | No different than flashing IT mode on LSI stuff. |
| 01:29.21 | oxek | it's more along the lines of it being a black box, that you have to upgrade to stay on top of exploits, and things can randomly change and stop working |
| 01:29.23 | Dude-Meister | :) |
| 01:29.40 | Dude-Meister | I've flased a lot of optical drives too. |
| 01:30.15 | Dude-Meister | Liggy and Dee, and the Dangerous Brothers style. Patched firmwares, so on and so on. |
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| 01:36.51 | Dude-Meister | I need to compare DDR3 ECC vs DDR4 ECC pricing, as well as CPU pricing to determine which socket I'll land on. The x11SCH-F looks AMAZING, but - well - I liek that fact that YOU have one! :) Maybe in a few years when you sell it on eBay, I'll buy it! hehehe |
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| 01:40.05 | Dude-Meister | It looks like Skylake ot Kaby Lake LGA 1151 is about the right spot for my budget. |
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| 01:43.42 | Dude-Meister | oxek, do you knwo if the c200 chipset causes any trouble? (Yeah, I need to check out that other channel you suggested. That's really more of a kernal question that a distro Q, I'd suspect. |
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| 01:46.43 | oxek | I can't comment on chipsets I don't have :) |
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| 02:11.23 | somiaj | Dude-Meister: of course once you decide on some hardware, look up the linux kernel support, with bullseye being released soon, you would need support in that kernel. |
| 02:11.27 | somiaj | ,kernels |
| 02:11.28 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.10.0-trunk-686 (5.10.2-1~exp1); sid: 5.10.0-6-686 (5.10.28-1); bullseye: 5.10.0-6-686 (5.10.28-1); buster-backports: 5.10.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (5.10.24-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-16-686-pae (4.19.181-1); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.19.118-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.19.0-0.bpo.16-686 (4.19.181-1~deb9u1); jessie-backports: |
| 02:11.29 | judd | 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.9.210-1+deb9u1~deb8u1) |
| 02:11.56 | somiaj | Dude-Meister: so if support is in the 5.10 kernel, it should work in debian (unless it requires some special software) |
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| 03:14.32 | nickgaw | Hi, Does anyone know if there are places where Ican upload my VMware player virtual machine to and a service will host it for me as a virtual private server where it would be running with ssh access or however I had configured the virtual machine? |
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| 04:02.40 | diogenes_ | Hello guys, is there anyone running Debian 8? |
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| 04:12.00 | somiaj | diogenes_: why? polls are really poor questions. I belive debian 8 still has LTS support for another year and assume some are using it, but does it matter if anyone is still running it? |
| 04:12.17 | somiaj | There are pople who still run much older debian releases. |
| 04:13.02 | somiaj | oh guess I'm a year off, LTS support for debian 8 ended june 30, 2020, but there is still ELTS support |
| 04:13.07 | somiaj | https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Extended |
| 04:13.35 | diogenes_ | somiaj, i wonder if you can still run latest chrome on Debian 8 but without LTS. |
| 04:14.00 | somiaj | well all LTS does is security fixes. I think the biggest problem would be building a chrome package for debian 8. |
| 04:14.09 | somiaj | it takes a lot of time and memeory to build a browser. |
| 04:14.45 | somiaj | You most likely cannot install any pre-built chrome packages. Though if you wanted a new brwoser, why do you need to run debian 8? What is your use case here? |
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| 04:19.09 | diogenes_ | somiaj, the reason i'm asking it's because i want to leave a laptop with Debian 10 for my granny and i've created a service which only will update chrome but i won't be able to maintain her system for at least 2 years, by that time Debian 10 will EOL and i was wondering if chrome at least will stay up-to-date on EOL system. |
| 04:20.55 | somiaj | chrome usually looses security support by the end of old stable, though with unattneded upgrades, you could keep up on all secuirty support (even via LTS) |
| 04:21.26 | somiaj | though at this point, bullseye will be released in a couple of months, you could just make a point to go upgrade the laptop to bullseye to provide longer support |
| 04:22.50 | somiaj | Just due to timing, I can't think of any way to assume you are going to have security support on a browser in debian 10 for 2+ years |
| 04:24.01 | somiaj | but bullseye is quite close and currently in a freeze, so you could probably install that + unattended upgrades, and have a system that would self-upgrade for the next 2+ years (though not sure the best way to ensure unattneded-upgrades works on a laptop that might be off during its upgrade time) |
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| 04:24.23 | diogenes_ | somiaj, yes but i'll be thousand of miles away and if something breaks then no one could help her, that's why i would rather not update the rest of the system. |
| 04:24.52 | abff | diogenes_: give her a nice big icon thst opens ssh so you can call her and have her click it so you can do updates remotely :p |
| 04:25.47 | diogenes_ | that's a good idea with Bullseye somiaj will try that thanks! |
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| 04:26.19 | somiaj | I would still do more updates than just chrome, for the most part security updates are mostly painless |
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| 04:27.38 | somiaj | But you know your use case best. |
| 04:29.50 | diogenes_ | yes becaose if she closes her laptop during some unattended-upgrades then it might break something not boot. |
| 04:32.30 | somiaj | I think some desktops have a notifaction that can be used, so unattneded-upgrades only notifies the user there are upgrades, and a click of the button and she can upgrade it herself |
| 04:32.46 | somiaj | not something I use, but I think such a thing exists |
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| 06:59.42 | FOSSGuy[m] | How to switch to bullseye? |
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| 06:59.50 | FOSSGuy[m] | From stable? |
| 07:00.43 | FOSSGuy[m] | As it will be stable after a few months, can I switch to stable after switching to it when it becomes stable? |
| 07:02.12 | FOSSGuy[m] | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:02.30 | TheBigK02 | FOSSGuy[m]: theres no switching needed if u decided to go to testing |
| 07:02.45 | TheBigK02 | be aware that we cant support if u have trouble after upgrading to testing |
| 07:03.18 | TheBigK02 | in general upgrading is fairly simple and is always the same. u do the latest updates of stable with update and dist-upgrade |
| 07:03.33 | FOSSGuy[m] | No, I am on stable. But, i only want to switch to bullseye specifically until it bceomes stable. And then switch to stable.Is it possible? |
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| 07:03.38 | TheBigK02 | then u edit ur /etc/apt/sources.list and change the buster to bullseye and do the same |
| 07:04.15 | FOSSGuy[m] | What will happen to installed backport packages? |
| 07:04.17 | TheBigK02 | mid year is the last thing i read about bullseye... and u dont need to do anything when it becomes the new stable |
| 07:04.25 | FOSSGuy[m] | Kool |
| 07:04.32 | FOSSGuy[m] | Needed some pkgs in it |
| 07:04.41 | FOSSGuy[m] | What will happen to installed backport packages? |
| 07:04.54 | TheBigK02 | backports u just remove the sources.list... since backports are backported bullseye packages |
| 07:05.09 | TheBigK02 | i mean |
| 07:05.14 | jelly | dpkg, buster->bullseye |
| 07:05.14 | dpkg | In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "buster" to "bullseye", change "bullseye/updates" to "bullseye-security" on the security line; remove lines like buster-backports, debian-multimedia <dmo>, and other 3rd party repos as they are known to cause issues. apt update && apt upgrade && apt full-upgrade. We're close to release so bullseye isn't a <moving target>. Please report upgrade bugs and serious problems with packages. |
| 07:05.18 | TheBigK02 | u remove the lines out of ur sources.list |
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| 07:05.27 | TheBigK02 | thanks jelly :) |
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| 07:06.56 | sigint | is bullseye-security working already, or is it just a placeholder for until bullseye is released? |
| 07:08.04 | TheBigK02 | sigint: it should work already i believe |
| 07:08.12 | TheBigK02 | but u can confirm by just running apt update |
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| 07:09.08 | FOSSGuy[m] | Is it alright: https://paste.debian.net/1194650/? |
| 07:10.50 | jelly | sigint, both. The repo is working and it's not populated yet |
| 07:11.42 | jelly | Get:3 http://security.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security InRelease [44.1 kB] |
| 07:14.09 | FOSSGuy[m] | Is it alright: https://paste.debian.net/1194650/? jelly |
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| 07:16.40 | jelly | FOSSGuy[m], line 9 seems incorrect |
| 07:16.59 | FOSSGuy[m] | Added it for wl |
| 07:17.12 | FOSSGuy[m] | https://wiki.debian.org/wl |
| 07:17.38 | FOSSGuy[m] | https://wiki.debian.org/wl#Installation |
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| 07:17.57 | jelly | FOSSGuy[m], dpkg said, "remove lines like buster-backports" |
| 07:18.10 | jelly | remove LINES not words |
| 07:18.17 | FOSSGuy[m] | Ok, then how will I get the wl module? |
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| 07:18.49 | jelly | !buster-backports |
| 07:18.49 | dpkg | Some packages intended for Bullseye (Debian 11) but recompiled for use with Buster (Debian 10) can be found in the buster-backports repository. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . Ask me about <bdo>, <backports>. |
| 07:19.32 | FOSSGuy[m] | I mean how will I get that in bullseye? |
| 07:20.03 | jelly | that means it's already there |
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| 07:20.20 | FOSSGuy[m] | No need to add contrib and non-free? |
| 07:20.56 | jelly | you'd add those to the main repo line and the security line. |
| 07:21.37 | jelly | ,v broadcom-sta-dkms |
| 07:21.38 | judd | Package: broadcom-sta-dkms on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 6.30.223.248-3; stretch/non-free: 6.30.223.271-5; stretch-backports/non-free: 6.30.223.271-10~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 6.30.223.271-10; stretch-backports-sloppy/non-free: 6.30.223.271-14~bpo9+1; buster-backports/non-free: 6.30.223.271-15~bpo10+1; bullseye/non-free: 6.30.223.271-15; sid/non-free: 6.30.223.271-15; experimental/non- |
| 07:21.39 | judd | free: 6.30.223.271-16~exp1 |
| 07:22.19 | FOSSGuy[m] | Ok, thx |
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| 07:22.58 | FOSSGuy[m] | As bullseye is currently is frozen, the pkgs will be the same till it becomes stable, r8? |
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| 07:23.22 | jelly | no, there are still bugs to fix |
| 07:23.43 | jelly | versions of software will probably not change a lot |
| 07:24.16 | FOSSGuy[m] | Needed some important pkgs from there. Hence the switch. Anyway... |
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| 07:30.12 | jelly | good luck, remember to report bugs for things that break |
| 07:30.54 | jelly | run the release upgrade process inside screen or tmux if you're remote |
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| 07:33.47 | FOSSGuy[m] | Why doesn't the Debian Wiki directly take me to page if the search term completely matches the page title? |
| 07:33.54 | FOSSGuy[m] | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:34.32 | nkuttler | because guessing what you want is bad? |
| 07:35.46 | FOSSGuy[m] | All other wikis do this |
| 07:36.02 | FOSSGuy[m] | jelly: I got this error: `E: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/v/vlc/libvlccore9_3.0.12-3_amd64.deb Undetermined Error` |
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| 07:40.38 | jelly | FOSSGuy[m], no idea, try a different mirror? |
| 07:40.55 | jelly | is there a reason you're using ftp.us.debian.org and not deb.debian.org CDN? |
| 07:41.58 | FOSSGuy[m] | No. Just was in the doc |
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| 07:45.47 | FOSSGuy[m] | < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/eqMtHnTqpvzQMWRxjifNbLFz/message.txt > |
| 07:45.56 | FOSSGuy[m] | What is it? |
| 07:46.45 | TheBigK02 | FOSSGuy[m]: what is what?! |
| 07:46.51 | FOSSGuy[m] | I've no user "irc" |
| 07:48.10 | FOSSGuy[m] | uploaded an image: (36KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/zFPMlWYBdIZFtePQaALofcRA/image.png > |
| 07:48.22 | FOSSGuy[m] | Uploaded an image |
| 07:48.39 | jelly | FOSSGuy[m], Debian has dozens of precreated system users. Sometimes the difnitions needs to be updated. Let it base-passwd do what it wants to do. |
| 07:49.51 | jelly | this happens VERY often during a release upgrade |
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| 07:59.31 | ratrace | wow wow wow! https://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2021/04/22/1 |
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| 08:00.49 | jelly | points ratrace to #debian-offtopic |
| 08:01.45 | ratrace | it's related to debian and its kernel tho :) |
| 08:02.16 | ratrace | anyhoo, just a PSA |
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| 08:08.18 | jelly | imagine if everyone shared the latest useful news about a software component in debian |
| 08:09.25 | jelly | also it's a) yesterday's news, literally, and b) there's better coverage at lwn https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/853717/4c8a5f7688de23d8/ including a response from UMN |
| 08:13.24 | ratrace | well I'm sorry if I think it's very damned serious. supply chain attacks are _increasing_ lately, and hitting the core of the most, MOST vulnerable component on the PLANET, is news important to share. |
| 08:14.13 | ratrace | %s/vulnerable/critical/ |
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| 08:19.17 | sigint | It's not new though, remember the "if (current->uid = 0)" from 2003? The only thing noticable in this case is that they do it "for science". |
| 08:19.25 | jelly | ratrace, lots of things are very serious. Only a subset is relevant for a Debian tech support venue. |
| 08:19.45 | jelly | this is excelty why we have an offtopic channel |
| 08:20.12 | segamain | hey guys what do I do when a repository has no release file or when multiple repos have no release files and one can't update securely from them ? |
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| 08:20.38 | jelly | don't use those repos? Are they under your control? |
| 08:20.59 | segamain | jelly: no |
| 08:21.25 | jelly | contact the responsible people and ask them to fix their repos? |
| 08:22.01 | jelly | I mean, even Microsoft manages to have valid, secure apt repos these days. |
| 08:22.26 | Unit193 | Microsoft with apt repos, what a world to live in. |
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| 08:23.57 | segamain | what other repos are there ? |
| 08:24.08 | shtrb | jelly, but did anyone mention that on the offtopic channel ? |
| 08:25.48 | jelly | segamain, which repos are you getting errors for? |
| 08:26.07 | jelly | I assumed it was some non debian.org stuff |
| 08:26.12 | jelly | !bat |
| 08:26.12 | dpkg | [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 08:26.41 | alkisg | Hi, I had a wheezy installation that was fully updated using wheezy/updates. Then I switched apt sources to point to archive.debian.org. |
| 08:26.41 | alkisg | My problem is that my installed packages are newer than the ones in that repository, so some dependencies can't be satisfied when I try to install new packages. |
| 08:26.41 | alkisg | Question, is wheezy/updates somehow available in http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/ ? |
| 08:27.53 | jelly | alkisg, is it possible you had wheezy-backports, or wheezy-lts enabled in addition to normal repos |
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| 08:28.31 | alkisg | Hmm, my libc6 is 2.13-38+deb7u12 instead of 2.13-38+deb7u10 in that repository. I don't think I had backports or lts. |
| 08:29.37 | alkisg | reads https://serverfault.com/questions/960970/wheezy-updates-on-archive-debian-org-returns-404-not-found ... |
| 08:30.18 | alkisg | Ah, could it have been -security? |
| 08:30.50 | jelly | wheezy/updates IS security |
| 08:31.52 | alkisg | In the link it says that in point releases, updates go to the point release; and maybe security has the one after the point release? |
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| 08:31.56 | alkisg | tries adding http://archive.debian.org/debian-security/ |
| 08:31.59 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:31.59 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:32.04 | jelly | right |
| 08:32.10 | alkisg | Got it, thank you jelly |
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| 08:32.47 | jelly | I seem to also have the same version from 500 http://deb.freexian.com/extended-lts/ wheezy-lts/main amd64 Packages |
| 08:33.14 | jelly | elts repo did have a complete copy of wheezy embedded |
| 08:33.54 | alkisg | The point of that vm is to test some things for compatibility, thanks, it would probably make sense to enable the freexian repo as most currently wheezy users would indeed have that |
| 08:35.17 | jelly | We also have wheezy systems only for... compatibility. Of course. |
| 08:35.32 | jelly | cries |
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| 08:36.35 | alkisg | :D |
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| 08:42.08 | segamain | jelly:The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/brightbox/ruby-ng/ubuntu hirsute Release' |
| 08:42.52 | segamain | The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/diesch/testing/ubuntu hirsute Release |
| 08:43.11 | segamain | The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/gezakovacs/ppa/ubuntu hirsute Release' |
| 08:43.31 | segamain | The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/nilarimogard/webupd8/ubuntu hirsute Release' |
| 08:43.51 | segamain | which repos can I use instead of these ? |
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| 08:49.42 | ksk | segamain: this is #Debian, we do not support Ubuntu. Nor is it supported to include Ubuntu PPAs in a Debian installation. |
| 08:49.43 | shtrb | !ubuntu |
| 08:49.44 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
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| 08:52.04 | segamain | ksk: no I'm just asking what repos I can use INSTEAD of these I'm on Debian too |
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| 08:53.20 | jelly | segamain, we don't know what's in them |
| 08:53.41 | jelly | PPA have no support for Debian |
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| 08:55.01 | Unit193 | A lot of times you can get newer packages via backports, if that is your goal. |
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| 09:05.30 | ksk | segamain: if you want "software" on Debian, you check: a) is it in debian (+ backports) b) is there a repo for debian managed upstream c) is there debian packages d) is there docker/flatpack/whatnot e) is there a binary release for debian f) is there sourcecode |
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| 09:31.39 | shtrb | segamain, let start with you leave ONLY your debian repo in your /etc/apt/sources.list and ERASE all non debian ones |
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| 10:05.37 | netcrash | Hello, My computer acting as a gateway from time to time stops accessing the internet. It's based on a dhcp ip , I think that the renewal of the IP is breaking the connection. How can I make debian use dhcp-client to obtain an ip and renew it. Currently I only have in interface file the iface xxx inet dhcp |
| 10:05.45 | netcrash | Any recomendations? |
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| 10:12.31 | alkisg | netcrash: run `ip a` and check if your "valid_lft" value is indeed about to expire. Also check with `ps faux` if dhclient is running |
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| 10:40.02 | Foxfir3 | rc1 is the latest? Will I be able to update that to stable later on? |
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| 10:45.20 | [Lemmy] | aloha guys |
| 10:45.33 | Foxfir3 | hi [Lemmy] |
| 10:45.36 | [Lemmy] | i could use a very tiny bit of help with vim on debian |
| 10:45.57 | [Lemmy] | first things first, i do know my way around linux in general - just not debian |
| 10:46.08 | Foxfir3 | escape :q |
| 10:46.33 | [Lemmy] | ok so my problem is, i have a ~/.vimrc that works just fine on any linux that is *not* debian |
| 10:46.49 | [Lemmy] | rhel, fedora, centos, suse, whatever |
| 10:46.58 | [Lemmy] | just on debian it seems to be ignored |
| 10:47.09 | [Lemmy] | ...all i have in it is two autoCmd lines |
| 10:48.24 | Foxfir3 | /etc/vim/vimrc |
| 10:48.50 | Foxfir3 | i use neovim though. I dont see why you would still use vim |
| 10:49.09 | [Lemmy] | never heard of neovim, thats why |
| 10:49.40 | [Lemmy] | that much better? |
| 10:49.50 | nkuttler | [Lemmy]: that doesn't sound normal. your ~/.vimrc should be read, mine is |
| 10:49.56 | sigint | Foxfir3, what's your elevator pitch for neovim? |
| 10:50.13 | [Lemmy] | oh as far as :scriptnames goes it IS read - it just doesnt work |
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| 10:50.24 | Foxfir3 | [Lemmy]: neovim is an open source project aiming to solve the issues with Vim (especially licensing and inflexability). |
| 10:50.39 | nkuttler | "issues" |
| 10:50.46 | Foxfir3 | [Lemmy]: if you are not using some outlandish plugin, you wont notice any difference. |
| 10:51.31 | [Lemmy] | right now i just want to know why my two lines of ~/.vimrc are read but dont work |
| 10:52.12 | nkuttler | [Lemmy]: fwiw, are you sure autoCmd is valid? should be lowercase |
| 10:52.35 | [Lemmy] | it is lowercase in my file |
| 10:52.50 | [Lemmy] | i have been dealing with camelcase in kubernetes too much lately |
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| 10:53.11 | Foxfir3 | sigint: [Lemmy]: okay. you were joking |
| 10:53.40 | avu | [Lemmy]: what are the autocmd lines? Perhaps they refer to some other files that are not present or in a different location on your Debian install? |
| 10:54.18 | [Lemmy] | autocmd FileType yaml setlocal ai ts=2 sw=2 et cc=3,5,7,9,11 |
| 10:54.19 | [Lemmy] | autocmd FileType python setlocal ai ts=4 sw=4 et |
| 10:54.35 | [Lemmy] | they work just fine on any other linux i have here |
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| 10:55.35 | [Lemmy] | ok i'm comparing :scriptnames in vim on debian and suse, and on suse there are just a lot more scripts being read |
| 10:55.42 | [Lemmy] | maybe i am just missing packages |
| 10:57.08 | avu | [Lemmy]: do you have the full vim-nox installed or perhaps just vim-tiny? |
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| 10:57.25 | [Lemmy] | :facepalms |
| 10:57.30 | [Lemmy] | only vim tiny |
| 10:58.00 | avu | try with vim-nox then |
| 10:58.08 | [Lemmy] | ok did that |
| 10:58.11 | [Lemmy] | no change o.0 |
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| 10:59.54 | Foxfir3 | sigint: i didnt get that. it should be obvious what neovim is solving. |
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| 11:01.00 | [Lemmy] | :facepalm |
| 11:01.21 | [Lemmy] | looks as if somewhere in the default config files that debian ships for vim there is a "syntax off" |
| 11:01.33 | [Lemmy] | put "syntax on" in ~/.vimrc and all is well |
| 11:02.11 | Foxfir3 | nkuttler: https://vimhelp.org/uganda.txt.html#license |
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| 11:03.49 | [Lemmy] | Foxfir3: "problems" need solving. if you think the license needs solving, you obviously think its a problem - please elaborate. |
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| 11:05.41 | Foxfir3 | [Lemmy]: license is one matter. Another is possiblity to communicate with the editor. but its not important. I just wondered why some are still using Brams Vim |
| 11:06.21 | [Lemmy] | what do you mean "communicate with the editor" - something like siri on iphones? |
| 11:06.23 | Foxfir3 | [Lemmy]: running Suse here as well. Trying to convert to Debian. So same position. |
| 11:06.55 | [Lemmy] | oh i'm definitely not "converting" to debian - but i have 4 raspis and a box running k3s on buster as well |
| 11:06.57 | Foxfir3 | [Lemmy]: Neovim can run anywhere and hook up with anything |
| 11:07.20 | [Lemmy] | oh you mean control the editor from scripts and such? |
| 11:07.31 | Foxfir3 | [Lemmy]: oh.. nice. would like to try pure debian on RPi4 |
| 11:07.40 | [Lemmy] | ... i just use jinja2 templates and ansible - no need to hook something to an editor |
| 11:07.59 | [Lemmy] | i would like to have a turingpi with pi4 based compute boards |
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| 11:08.10 | [Lemmy] | but we can't always have nice things |
| 11:08.12 | Foxfir3 | [Lemmy]: yup. low level API. but its been a few years since I did some reading on it, so im a little afraid of the wolves here |
| 11:08.51 | [Lemmy] | i'm just looking at my home network and i'm thinking what the f*ck am i doing |
| 11:09.22 | [Lemmy] | TWO ansible tower, a kubernetes, 4 raspis, ntop, grafana, and and and |
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| 11:09.49 | [Lemmy] | conclusion: obviously there is not enough good stuff on netflix. |
| 11:12.02 | Foxfir3 | [Lemmy]: was just looking at the TuringPi II. whopping 32 gigs of ram. wow |
| 11:13.23 | [Lemmy] | nice |
| 11:15.10 | Foxfir3 | [Lemmy]: sounds like you are dealing with a serious electrical bill |
| 11:15.40 | [Lemmy] | actually, not - the two biggest machines are only HP microservers |
| 11:15.48 | [Lemmy] | they're not that greedy |
| 11:16.58 | Foxfir3 | [Lemmy]: they are nice machines. friend told me the noise from the HDs are the only problem |
| 11:18.20 | [Lemmy] | can't say that is true - one has two disks the other has four, the PSU fans are pretty much the only thing i hear |
| 11:18.53 | [Lemmy] | of course performance is borderline crap - they're the 8 year old model, AMD turion 2 cpus |
| 11:19.10 | [Lemmy] | good enough to run samba, nfs, and a bit of postfix and such |
| 11:19.30 | [Lemmy] | but i gave up mining cryptocurrency on them pretty quickly |
| 11:20.05 | [Lemmy] | of course using any word derived from "quick" with regard to that hardware is a joke all in itself |
| 11:20.24 | [Lemmy] | but you know what they say about gift horses |
| 11:20.49 | [Lemmy] | i got them from my previous employer as a home lab, and when i left there they said "just keep them if you want" |
| 11:23.44 | Foxfir3 | [Lemmy]: bulgarian saying would be: you dont tend to the teeth of the horse that was given to you for free |
| 11:24.04 | [Lemmy] | sounds about right |
| 11:28.05 | Foxfir3 | [Lemmy]: I just read through Brams 'Charityware' license. Money and control. Fair enough. Basically he wants free dev, and the checks send to Switzerland. Im just too old to fall for that crap. Seen too many fake priests. |
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| 11:29.54 | cusco | hi.. nsswitch.conf has "hosts: files dns" |
| 11:30.11 | cusco | resolv.conf has valid nameserver entries.. but the system doesn't have a dns server set? (not sure) |
| 11:30.28 | ratrace | cusco: what do you mean |
| 11:30.31 | cusco | for some reason name resolution stopped working |
| 11:30.46 | ratrace | give an example please |
| 11:30.53 | cusco | dig doesn't resolv, but dig something @server resolves |
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| 11:31.21 | cusco | no dns is resolving at the moment |
| 11:32.09 | ratrace | cusco: try running getent hosts <domain you're trying> |
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| 11:33.11 | cusco | ratrace: has the stuff in my hosts file.. want me to paste? |
| 11:33.17 | cusco | ahh wait |
| 11:33.18 | cusco | the domain ok |
| 11:33.24 | ratrace | returns an IP? |
| 11:33.41 | cusco | nsorry didn't add a domain |
| 11:33.51 | cusco | taking forever... |
| 11:33.57 | cusco | returned blank |
| 11:34.27 | ratrace | maybe that nameserver is broken. try something else in resolv.conf eg nameserver 8.8.8.8 for google's |
| 11:34.32 | cusco | did |
| 11:34.39 | cusco | right now 8.8.4.4 |
| 11:35.00 | cusco | but if I use dig something.com @8.8.4.4 it works |
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| 11:35.55 | ratrace | cusco: okay please paste your resolv.conf as it, to a paste site |
| 11:36.02 | ratrace | as *is |
| 11:36.02 | cusco | ok.. |
| 11:36.15 | cusco | it only has one line, do I need to use a paste sit? xD |
| 11:36.17 | netcrash_ | No , dhclient was not running, how can I make it boot by default? alkisg |
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| 11:37.22 | cusco | ratrace: thank you, had a typo in the resolv.conf file |
| 11:37.25 | cusco | :-/ |
| 11:37.55 | ratrace | cusco: happens :) |
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| 11:38.48 | ratrace | netcrash_: typically you set up interfaces(5) to use DHCP. you don't have to enable any service in particular, other than default networking.service |
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| 11:39.02 | ratrace | you can also use systemd-networkd or some other network management tool/framework as well |
| 11:39.59 | ratrace | I mean, your original question describes a typical DHCP based network setup, so other than setting it up as such, I'm not sure what else you think you need? |
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| 12:01.55 | shtrb | Will debian now have some meta packages for kde gear (like we have for plasma) ? |
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| 13:02.13 | Lope | Is this a UNIX socket? /var/run/postgresql/13-main.pid |
| 13:02.26 | Lope | it's just a text file with a integer in it? |
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| 13:02.57 | jelly | Lope, does "ls -l /var/run/postgresql/13-main.pid" line start with "s" character? |
| 13:03.21 | jelly | if yes: then it's a socket |
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| 13:22.49 | Urk | Does anyone have experience installing Debian on a Dell 7590? I am trying to install Debian 10.7 from a memory stick, and at the point of installing the wireless driver, but the install it not proceeding. |
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| 13:23.34 | ratrace | Urk: which ISO were you using? |
| 13:23.45 | inbe4 | Hello everyone! |
| 13:23.48 | Lope | jelly, no, it doesn't start with an s :) :( |
| 13:24.10 | jelly | Lope, not a socket, then |
| 13:24.13 | Urk | ratrace: Debian stable 10.7 |
| 13:24.17 | wyoung | You got delled |
| 13:24.55 | ratrace | Urk: so if that's not a "firmware image" ... what "wireless driver" installation phase? or are you confusing with "setting up wireless network" for and by the installer? |
| 13:24.56 | Lope | jelly, it's dis ting maan: /var/run/postgresql/.s.PGSQL.5432 |
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| 13:26.20 | inbe4 | Howcan I get involved in the Debian project? Been using it for a while, on both server and desktop. Basically what I can do to get started. |
| 13:26.35 | jelly | Lope, sure, if ls -ld says something like srwxrwxrwx ... |
| 13:26.53 | Urk | ratrace: I am at the "Detect network hardware" phase of the installation, and I'm being prompted to select a driver for the ethernet card. Options I see are iwlwifi: Inte(R) Wuireless WiFi driver for Linux, and a couple of other Intel drivers for linux, but believe the iwlwifi to be one that should work. |
| 13:26.53 | jelly | srwxrwxrwx 1 postgres postgres 0 Apr 22 14:43 /run/postgresql/.s.PGSQL.5432 |
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| 13:27.50 | ratrace | Urk: oh I see |
| 13:28.07 | jelly | Urk, did you pick the "unofficial" netinst image with firmware |
| 13:28.17 | jelly | !firmware images |
| 13:28.17 | dpkg | There are <live> system and <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages available from https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ The images are "unofficial" because "official Debian" includes only 100% free software. They are otherwise identical to the normal installer images and prepared by the same Debian Developers. See <check iso>. |
| 13:28.19 | Urk | Today I am buying a hardwire kit from Dell since wireless installation is so difficult. This particular laptop has its own proprietary hardware kit instead of an RJ47 |
| 13:28.47 | wyoung | Urk: Dell is all about proprietary |
| 13:29.14 | jelly | Urk, ^ use that, intel wifi requires non-free firmware and standard images ship without it |
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| 13:29.42 | jelly | and then you're going to find out whether debian 10 is too old for your other hardware |
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| 13:30.12 | ratrace | for some reason, you're posing that in form of a question :) |
| 13:30.23 | ratrace | %s/sing/sting/ |
| 13:30.33 | Urk | ratrace: Don't recall, and its been more than a month since I downloaded the images. However, I recall having a lot of difficulty with the previous install. Previous installation crashed after running the Chmod command. |
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| 13:32.21 | Cryptek | Hey all! |
| 13:32.33 | Cryptek | is this a support channel or is general chat alllowed? |
| 13:33.05 | inbe4 | Cryptek: I think #debian-offtopic is more suitable for general chatting |
| 13:33.51 | ratrace | if you don't mind drug abusing mental patients complaining about voices in their head. |
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| 13:34.05 | Urk | Ok, I went to the initial install screen, and it says Debian GNU/Linux 10.7.0 UEFI Installer menu |
| 13:34.34 | inbe4 | ratrace: It's that bad huh? |
| 13:34.36 | Urk | Cryptek: #debian-offtopic |
| 13:34.44 | ratrace | Urk: did you catch jelly's advice to use the "firmware image" ISO? |
| 13:34.46 | jelly | Urk, grab 10.9 with firmware, try again |
| 13:34.49 | Cryptek | @Urk thankies! |
| 13:35.08 | ratrace | inbe4: I got banned from offtopic for calling it out. |
| 13:35.45 | jelly | ratrace, some of those are banned as well right now |
| 13:36.02 | Urk | jelly: Thanks. Looks like another image came out since the last time I was on here. |
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| 13:36.20 | inbe4 | ratrace: Wait that was not a joke? lol |
| 13:36.30 | ratrace | inbe4: unfortunately not :) |
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| 13:37.36 | oxek | Urk: always helps to check the debian homepage before doing a new installation |
| 13:37.51 | inbe4 | ratrace: Damn |
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| 13:38.44 | jelly | ratrace does not seem to be banned in #d-o right now, fwiw |
| 13:39.43 | ratrace | I imagine it expired by now. nevertheless ... mods seemed to have no issue with the said person's ..... alcohol + alprazolam abusing escapades, so I don't see a reason to descend into that cesspool anyhoo :) |
| 13:40.35 | shtrb | Urk, sometimes it's better to get a kernel from backports |
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| 13:42.53 | oxek | isn't jelly one of the mods? |
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| 13:43.10 | shtrb | he is |
| 13:43.35 | Urk | shtrb: Any suggestions for a URL? I'm looking at https://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/non-free/ |
| 13:44.06 | shtrb | I don't know what hardware you have , so I can't say |
| 13:44.11 | shtrb | !backports |
| 13:44.11 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 13:44.16 | shtrb | Urk, ^ |
| 13:45.21 | oxek | Urk: you're looking at the wrong place, you want https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ |
| 13:45.22 | inbe4 | I just upgraded to bullseye, works flawlessly so far |
| 13:45.36 | inbe4 | No manual interventions at all, which is neat |
| 13:46.17 | oxek | inbe4: that will be useful information in here, once bullseye is actually released |
| 13:46.21 | shtrb | !unoffical |
| 13:46.34 | shtrb | !firmware |
| 13:46.34 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
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| 13:47.26 | inbe4 | oxek: Yeah |
| 13:47.27 | Urk | oxek: ok, its downloading. I'm downloading it to an HP Pavilion dv4000 which is an ancient beast. |
| 13:47.44 | Urk | Its a 32-bit system that someone throughout in Los Altos. |
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| 13:47.58 | Urk | meant to type threw out. |
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| 13:48.06 | oxek | I think I'm using the same voice-to-text as you |
| 13:48.23 | inbe4 | oxek: Is the current testing branch not something to discuss on here? |
| 13:48.31 | oxek | !debian-next |
| 13:48.31 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
| 13:48.48 | inbe4 | oxek: Thanks :D |
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| 14:14.44 | ghostwander | (in server) |
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| 15:17.29 | Dude-Meister | Is there a reference that will help me to decypher ACPI error messages? |
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| 15:22.11 | Dude-Meister | hi greycat - on the chance you may have a good resource, I'm looking for information that will help me to decypher ACPI error messages at bootup. |
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| 15:24.30 | Dude-Meister | Hmmmm. This looks interesting, but I'm not sure if it's the best place to start. -----> https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/firmware-guide/acpi/index.html |
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| 15:46.06 | wigums | do you have to reboot after a systemd upgrade? |
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| 15:49.37 | greycat | You... should, yes. If there are actually any changes worth rebooting for. |
| 15:49.41 | Juerd | wigums: Strictly speaking, no. But if you never reboot but do upgrades, you'll eventually run into missing features in the running kernel. |
| 15:50.08 | wigums | thx |
| 15:50.13 | greycat | the question was about systemd, not the kernel |
| 15:50.35 | Juerd | greycat: Systemd relies on kernel features and it's likely a future version will require a future kernel. |
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| 15:51.07 | Juerd | If that goes out of sync too much, you end up with something that requires manual intervention |
| 15:51.16 | greycat | it's *extremely* unlikely that a change to systemd in a stable release will require a kernel change as well, but IN EITHER CASE, the question was whether you have to reboot after systemd is updated. you do, if you want the new features. |
| 15:51.41 | Juerd | Yes, if it's within the same stable release I personally wouldn't reboot. |
| 15:52.03 | greycat | I'd read the changelog and see if there are any major security fixes. |
| 15:52.14 | jelly | Juerd, these prequisites are declared in the notes for each new debian release |
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| 15:52.37 | jelly | "you need a minimum kernel XXX with CONFIG_THIS and CONFIG_THAT" |
| 15:53.02 | Juerd | jelly: What about sid? |
| 15:53.13 | jelly | what about it |
| 15:53.23 | Juerd | It has no releases, so no release notes? :) |
| 15:53.34 | greycat | we don't care about sid here |
| 15:53.36 | jelly | sid is supposed to break your stuff, that's a feature |
| 15:53.55 | jelly | then you figure out what broke and fix or report it |
| 15:54.38 | Juerd | Yes, and that's how I learned that systemd can at some point become to rely on a newer kernel. I run sid on a few boxes that are used heavily, but get uptimes that are way too high. |
| 15:54.41 | Juerd | (For fun) |
| 15:55.11 | Juerd | And if sid is supposed to break my stuff it's doing a terrible, terrible job. That only happens once every few years. :) |
| 15:55.57 | jelly | what's a load average od 1000 around friends |
| 15:56.09 | jelly | of* |
| 15:56.26 | jelly | oh you actually meant uptimes :-) |
| 15:56.46 | Juerd | Yes, the load hardly ever gets above 10 :) |
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| 15:57.26 | Juerd | The uptimes reach several years, and that's how you learn that never rebooting was a bad idea. |
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| 15:57.52 | Juerd | And even then fixing it is usually pretty simple. |
| 15:58.50 | jelly | oh, in that case yes, you can find out your 3.2 kernel has become too old |
| 15:59.04 | jelly | that's basically like skipping a release or two |
| 15:59.09 | Juerd | Yep |
| 16:00.03 | Mister00X | theoretically there is systemctl daemon-reexec but it won't restart stuff like for examle journald |
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| 16:00.38 | jelly | worst thing about systemd isn't systemd, it's that you can't restart dbus and journald safely |
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| 16:01.06 | jelly | basically you wouldn't need reboots |
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| 16:01.47 | Mister00X | remembers that one time his dbus said bye bye |
| 16:02.43 | Mister00X | jelly: Isn't there also kexec for loading a new kernel without reboot? |
| 16:03.24 | Juerd | It would hurt less if restarting dbus would be prevented in some way. |
| 16:03.36 | greycat | kexec is not supported in Debian, or any other distro I've ever seen. |
| 16:04.19 | Mister00X | greycat: ah interessing didn't knew that. I just knew about it's existence |
| 16:04.34 | ratrace | CONFIG_KEXEC=y |
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| 16:05.15 | ratrace | but kexec is often misunderstood "loading new kernel without reboot".... yes.... but. it kills ALL the processes. so it's just as if you rebooted, sans the actual grub sequence |
| 16:05.31 | jelly | Mister00X, that just shortcuts POST, youstill get a new kernel and all the processes are lost |
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| 16:07.17 | Mister00X | jelly: so thats why "the server people" seem to like it so much.... I hear them allways complaining about long POST time |
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| 16:27.36 | dob1 | after mounting an nfs export I got permission denied when I try to use it |
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| 16:28.06 | greycat | you still have to satisfy the file/directory permissions on the file system |
| 16:28.51 | greycat | there's also a question of whether you're using some sort of UID/name mapping, which will depend on which version of nfs you're doing, and how you configured it |
| 16:30.18 | dob1 | greycat, so I have to mount it specifying uid and gid ? |
| 16:30.22 | greycat | No. |
| 16:30.49 | greycat | You got a file system. It has files and shit. Those files have OWNERS and GROUPS and PERMISSIONS. Your current process has a UID and a GID and a set of SUPPLEMENTARY GROUPS. |
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| 16:33.51 | dob1 | greycat, I don't understand sorry. the only solution I see it's to modify on the server the dir permissions and the owner of that dir and export it, you was referring to this? on the client I can't do nothing |
| 16:34.14 | dob1 | or I am not able to do nothing |
| 16:35.19 | greycat | It is possible that you may have the wrong permissions or owner on the file, on the server, yes. It's also possible that you may have some *OTHER* problem. This would be the point where you start revealing details. |
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| 16:37.57 | karlpinc | dob1: One of greycat's points is that the fs you're mounting has uids and gids. The system you're on has uids and gids. If they don't match then your users and groups won't get access to what you expect. So, if they don't match you need to map between the uids and gids of the box and the mounted fs. |
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| 16:38.33 | greycat | This is one of MANY possibilities, yes. |
| 16:38.56 | greycat | The question at this point is so vague and noobish that we can't even tell whether he understands basic Unix permissions. |
| 16:39.15 | dob1 | greycat, I know unix permissions... |
| 16:39.51 | greycat | Then tell us what you are confused about. "The file has _____ and id says I have ___ but why does ...." |
| 16:40.03 | greycat | Details. |
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| 16:43.05 | ratrace | !sicco |
| 16:43.05 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 16:43.09 | dob1 | the dir is owned by an user with id 1000/gid 1000, it's 700 (this is the problem), on /etc/exports I have "/mnt/data3 192.168.1.238/32(rw)" on the client I just mount it with "mount 192.168.1.51:/mnt/data3 /mnt" but I can't access to it as root because it's 700 and owned by the user that has uid/gid 1000 on the client. I cannot chmod it too |
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| 16:44.12 | greycat | If the directory (not a file apparently) is (rwx------ 1000 1000) and you are running as user 1000 on the client then you should be able to read/write to that directory, because you are its owner. Are you not user 1000 on the client? |
| 16:44.31 | dob1 | greycat, I would like to use root on the client |
| 16:44.42 | greycat | reads some more. Ah, you are ROOT on the client! TADA! Problem finally revealed. |
| 16:45.00 | greycat | You forgot to turn on no_root_squash in the export options. |
| 16:46.39 | greycat | by default, NFS version 3 :"squashes" root (maps UID 0 on the client to UID 65535/nobody on the server). This is to prevent a malicious client from just destroying everything. |
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| 16:48.52 | dob1 | greycat, with this option I am able to access to it. thanks |
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| 16:56.36 | dob1 | but just to understand, another options could be to use mount -o uid=someUID,gid=someGID while mounting the export dir? |
| 16:56.53 | dob1 | or it's not recommended with nfs ? |
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| 17:01.11 | greycat | I, personally, have *never* fucked around with non-default NFS uid/gid mapping. If you can figure out how to set up a mapping of your choice, fine. I just do the traditional thing and make the usernames and UIDs consistent across the entire LAN. |
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| 17:01.59 | greycat | And the only time I use no_root_squash is for mounting stuff on the machine that's doing the backups and therefore has to be able to read everything. |
| 17:02.18 | dob1 | I am using it for this too |
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| 17:03.29 | karlpinc | greycat: +1 |
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| 18:40.06 | arathor- | kristaline! |
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| 18:45.44 | ratrace | ovaltine? |
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| 19:14.35 | unixbsd | is there a way to compile hatari without cmake and all this junk of compilation crap? hatari package has become so badly to compile. |
| 19:15.09 | ratrace | unixbsd: compile? why not apt install it? |
| 19:15.23 | unixbsd | to compile from source, mostly I compile all from source. |
| 19:15.30 | ratrace | unixbsd: why? |
| 19:15.52 | greycat | So you're complaining about your own self-inflicted restrictions which have nothing to do with Debian? |
| 19:16.01 | unixbsd | because it is way cleaner when I do myself the package. the compilation development had many strange things into the packages. |
| 19:16.05 | ratrace | unixbsd: I think you're using the wrong distro for that. gentoo is very much oriented exactly for that: building everything from source. |
| 19:16.19 | unixbsd | not way big difference. |
| 19:16.41 | ratrace | it is extreme pain to build everything from source in debian. it is not meant to be used like that. |
| 19:16.53 | unixbsd | why pain? |
| 19:17.01 | ratrace | main problem is keeping track of upgrades. you don't get notified when there's an upgrade. |
| 19:17.14 | karlpinc | All the same, we're here to support debian. Compiling is something that you're supposed to be able to do in debian. |
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| 19:17.22 | ratrace | second is 32-bit / multilib support. "good luck with that, without a 32-bit container" |
| 19:17.28 | unixbsd | ah yeah, ... but this is known in Linux --- this is been 20-30 years like that. GNU is this way. |
| 19:17.40 | greycat | And he is able to do it. He's just complaining that he doesn't like it. Even though he chose it. |
| 19:17.42 | karlpinc | (Not to say that y'all are not right about compiling everything.) |
| 19:17.43 | shtrb | unixbsd, who is your own build cleaner ? |
| 19:17.46 | ratrace | karlpinc: oh yes, yes. I'm referring to "mostly I compile all from source". debian simply isn't designed to be used like that |
| 19:18.03 | shtrb | *Why is your build cleaner ? |
| 19:18.04 | ratrace | unixbsd: it's not "known in linux". gentoo does not have such problems |
| 19:18.08 | unixbsd | I build myself, so I had only the minimum. |
| 19:18.15 | sney | unixbsd: hatari's upstream chose the cmake build system, so you are probably stuck with it. if you want to modify for a different system, you should talk to hatari's developers. debian simply integrates what is provided by upstream |
| 19:18.28 | unixbsd | there is no dev on freenode |
| 19:18.30 | sney | the rest of you: good luck trying to convince unixbsd not to do things the hard way, lol. many have tried, none have succeeded |
| 19:18.33 | unixbsd | (of hatari). |
| 19:18.36 | sney | unixbsd: perhaps you have heard of "email" |
| 19:18.48 | ratrace | sney: hah |
| 19:18.57 | unixbsd | I dont use email - I wrote them already, they dont care. |
| 19:19.05 | greycat | oh, just fuck this. *plonk* |
| 19:19.10 | ratrace | hahahaha |
| 19:19.14 | sney | then the answer to your initial question is probably "no." |
| 19:19.25 | unixbsd | ah. |
| 19:19.49 | unixbsd | well maybe our job would be to clean in the source the way it compiles, like making it like ports for debian. |
| 19:20.16 | ratrace | unixbsd: it's called gentoo. literally "portage" is bsd ports on linux, for linux, in a fully developed environment. |
| 19:20.20 | shtrb | unixbsd, you can try to use quilt and patch the build for autotools it would be so much fun |
| 19:20.31 | unixbsd | Ports are the only viable solution for keeping software#s there. |
| 19:20.47 | ratrace | and "ports" in linux is called "portage", and gentoo is built around that. |
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| 19:20.59 | sney | debian only does extra work to fix upstream's code if there are significant problems, in the hopes that upstream will adopt those fixes. second-guessing upstream because "waah cmake sucks" is not in that scope. |
| 19:21.00 | unixbsd | shtrb: well, I did this for many packages, but I cannot do that huge work for all GNU. |
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| 19:21.21 | shtrb | unixbsd, I meant make stuff with quilt , and send it as a patch in debian |
| 19:21.25 | sney | there seem to be some mailing lists though, maybe some other hatari user has the same complaints as you? http://hatari.tuxfamily.org/contact.html |
| 19:21.32 | shtrb | that way you will have a second rival package |
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| 19:24.20 | unixbsd | no idea, I know that modern compilation methods are not so much very much popular -- nowadays. It is hard to keeep good software... best example: try to compile from source the opus master: Mumble... this is this one that showed me everything about how modern compilation can be. Even better, Planeshift. this one is also a hell to get compiled. |
| 19:25.21 | unixbsd | I dont know if this all goes like this, we or debian , us basically will have to think about adding somehow "Ports". |
| 19:26.25 | shtrb | There even pulse audio under wsl now |
| 19:26.30 | shtrb | sorry wrong channel |
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| 19:40.25 | Urk | Anyone have any idea as to why my dd command isn't working https://paste.debian.net/1194746/ |
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| 19:41.19 | shtrb | Urk, that's evil but also you are missing a slash in the path |
| 19:43.09 | shtrb | Urk, also it's /dev/sdc and not dev/sdc1 also make sure it's the correct place to write and not your hardrive ! |
| 19:44.06 | Mister00X | I doubt you want a 230GB boot stick |
| 19:45.14 | Urk | shtrb: I included the results of lsblk so it appears to be the correct place to write. |
| 19:45.33 | Urk | shtrb: Where does this missing slash go? I don't see the spot. Can you show me an example? |
| 19:45.46 | Mister00X | /dev/sdc |
| 19:45.52 | shtrb | Urk you have 230 GB flash ?! |
| 19:46.19 | Urk | sdc1 and sdc2 are two partitions on my usb. And yes, I have a 230GB flash drive, and it is a tiny thing. Its super fast. I think it is USB 3.2 |
| 19:47.05 | shtrb | Urk, dd if=file.iso of=/dev/sdc |
| 19:48.05 | shtrb | A 230GB are tiny flash drives now days ?! I'm outdated |
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| 19:48.54 | Mister00X | shtrb: maybe you should mention that this will overwrite the whole drive as oposed to one partition |
| 19:48.56 | Urk | shtrb: the example I sawa on the net allowed the bs=4M to be at the beginning of the command. However, the past I put it at the end. Could that be the problem? |
| 19:49.51 | shtrb | Urk, no , it's ok , your problem is just the path, as Mister00X had said (and I assume you understood it) it will destroy all the data on the disk |
| 19:50.15 | shtrb | Mister00X, I assumed he understand that idea , but correct point |
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| 19:50.17 | Urk | Mister00X: I would like to write different things to the partition since I still may need other installation software for the installation.. I have a newer computer, and the particular distro I would like to install has been a bit slow in adapting to the new hardware. |
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| 19:51.13 | shtrb | Urk, does your flash have grub or something like that so it could be loaded or your UEFI support selecting a parttion on UEFI to load from ? |
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| 19:53.14 | Urk | shtrb: ok, I guess I forgot to put a / in front of dev. I am now burning to sdc1. I am going to save sdc2 for other installation software since I don't know whether or not Debian 10.9 got some of the bugs out of the installation package. 10.8 had a lot of problems, and missing software that was required for the installation, and I don't have the proprietary hard wire for hooking up to ethernet. However, today I am going to order one |
| 19:53.14 | Urk | from Dell. |
| 19:54.01 | shtrb | Unless you had done specific modifications you will not be able to boot that |
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| 19:56.45 | Urk | shtrb: What modifications do I need to do? |
| 19:56.46 | ld_ | hello all |
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| 19:57.53 | shtrb | Urk, the easiest (and the most correct way if you are asking that) would be to overwrite the entire disk (and not just the partition) or even remaster the orignal iso to include the data you need install later |
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| 19:58.19 | shtrb | Sorry, but it would be easier for you just to overwrite the ENTIRE flash drive and install it |
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| 19:58.36 | shtrb | just make sure your iso has unofficial firmware |
| 19:58.48 | shtrb | and if you can please share your lspci and lsusb output from that machine |
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| 20:02.01 | Urk | shtrb: No boot device was found so it looks like I need to do something else to this partition before it can be used. |
| 20:02.20 | shtrb | Yes, to write to the drive as I told you before |
| 20:02.28 | shtrb | and not to a parttion |
| 20:03.09 | Urk | shtrb: Is there a to boot from a partition? I have been able to boot from partitions in the past. |
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| 20:03.58 | karlpinc | Urk: (That would be non-free firmware, the firmware that's in the unofficial installer but not the official installer.) |
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| 20:04.12 | shtrb | Yes, either to write from an iso that support o the entire flash or to have grub installed on the flash drive that could load iso or parttions (ON the flash drive itself), but it's safer for you just to ovrwrite the enire drive |
| 20:04.24 | shtrb | !non-free |
| 20:04.24 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. |
| 20:05.15 | Urk | karlpinc: Would you know of the URL/link? |
| 20:05.34 | Urk | I want to be able to boot from a partition if at all possible. |
| 20:05.52 | shtrb | Just overwrite the entire flash drive |
| 20:06.32 | Urk | shtrb: I want to be able to use half the drive for storing drivers not bundled in 10.9 Is this possible? |
| 20:06.45 | Urk | I booted 10.7 from a partition with no problem. |
| 20:06.59 | karlpinc | !firmware images |
| 20:06.59 | dpkg | There are <live> system and <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages available from https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ The images are "unofficial" because "official Debian" includes only 100% free software. They are otherwise identical to the normal installer images and prepared by the same Debian Developers. See <check iso>. |
| 20:07.04 | shtrb | yes, it's possible but I'm afraid you are going to waste too much time on it |
| 20:07.33 | karlpinc | Urk: But you'll want to change the "current" part of the url. (To "testing"??) |
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| 20:08.37 | Urk | I got bumped but back |
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| 20:08.49 | Urk | I was talking to some folks about booting from a partition. |
| 20:09.13 | shtrb | yes, I told your best way is to overwrite the entire disk with your image that has firmaware |
| 20:11.00 | Urk | shtrb: Is that the only way? I would like to boot from a partition, and not use the entire disk if at all possible. |
| 20:12.04 | shtrb | There is also a way to have grub installed on that disk , and to let grub to load an iso or parttion , in fact you can even install entire debian on the flash drive and also have d-i iso there |
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| 20:17.18 | Urk | I just tried using cfdisk to make the partition bootable, but not sure I did it correctly. |
| 20:17.37 | jmcnaught | Urk: did you read https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.en.html ? |
| 20:18.06 | jmcnaught | Urk: there is a flag that says in bold "Important" then: "The image must be written to the whole-disk device and not a partition, e.g. /dev/sdb and not /dev/sdb1." |
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| 20:19.15 | KNERD | Hash: Maybe this is what I was looking for yesterday https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CD |
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| 20:31.21 | ircuser5678 | hi. I've got a huawei matebook d14 (intel i5) and it doesn't find the network card (tried to install testing free/non-free). missing firmware files "iwlwifi-QuZ-a0-jf-bo-59.ucode" ... up to "-39.ucode". where exactly can I get them? |
| 20:32.03 | sney | from the firmware-iwlwifi package, if it's newer you probably just need the one in buster-backports. |
| 20:32.10 | sney | ,file iwlwifi-QuZ-a0-jf-bo-59.ucode --release buster-backports |
| 20:32.11 | judd | No packages in buster-backports/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 20:32.17 | sney | hrm, or not |
| 20:32.20 | sney | ,file iwlwifi-QuZ-a0-jf-bo-59.ucode --release sid |
| 20:32.23 | judd | No packages in sid/amd64 were found with that file. |
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| 20:32.50 | sney | not all firmware blobs are always available, try firmware-iwlwifi from buster-backports and see if the driver loads. |
| 20:33.19 | ircuser5678 | ok, thanks! |
| 20:33.33 | sney | np |
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| 20:43.36 | Urk | I'm wondering if I created the install disk incorrectly? Instructions at the following URL indicate I should make the partition bootable before creating the file system, and burn the disk last. https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.en.html |
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| 20:44.03 | Urk | I made the partition bootable after using dd to burn the ISO to disk. |
| 20:44.11 | unixbsd | how man... |
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| 20:44.23 | unixbsd | An iso hbydrid to harddisk? |
| 20:44.49 | unixbsd | have a look how to put a system... https://gitlab.com/openbsd98324/netbsd-live |
| 20:45.19 | unixbsd | If I can find bit of time, I will make for you a minimum tarball with debian with modules and kernel. Which debian release do you need |
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| 20:55.29 | jmcnaught | Urk: maybe you missed the second *Important* warning on that page: "Simply writing the CD or DVD image to USB like this should work fine for most users. The other options below are more complex, mainly for people with specialised needs." |
| 20:55.46 | ratrace | unixbsd: the official ISOs are more than sufficient. |
| 20:56.14 | unixbsd | well, if he does iso hybrid to harddisk... then I get worried. |
| 20:56.53 | jmcnaught | Urk: all you need to do is run "cp debian.iso /dev/sdc" *without* a partition number, then run "sync" and that is all, the USB stick will be ready for installation. |
| 20:57.51 | oxek | careful about suggesting /dev/sdc, some just copy paste |
| 20:58.38 | jmcnaught | They were using /dev/sdc1 in an earlier paste but yes, Urk should be careful to use the correct drive. |
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| 20:58.56 | unixbsd | jmcnaught: Usually running "cat" command rather than "cp" is way more reliable. |
| 20:59.25 | jmcnaught | unixbsd: cat works too but cp is what is in the official Debian install manual. |
| 20:59.28 | oxek | put those lazy cats to work, yeah |
| 21:00.08 | oxek | cat requires shell redirection though, which is a problem for users if it needs root privileges |
| 21:00.18 | oxek | hence cp |
| 21:00.41 | unixbsd | the way "cp" works, is not the same as "cat". If they made a mistake in the official, it is though wiser to use cat |
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| 21:06.13 | oxek | why do you prefer cat to cp? |
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| 21:06.42 | oxek | the behavior of cat, when writing out to files/devices, has many potential problems, especially for newcomers |
| 21:08.33 | unixbsd | cp can write with errors. you prefer errors over simplicity? |
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| 21:12.33 | oxek | can't cat do the same? |
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| 21:14.01 | unixbsd | cat and cp arent the very same source code, very different C code. |
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| 21:14.33 | oxek | no I mean can't `cat` also cause errors, just like `cp`? |
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| 21:17.45 | unixbsd | nope. "cat" shall be recommended. |
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| 21:24.15 | KNERD | Urk: You should only need to just download the ISO, make sure the system can boot the flash drive and it should just boot |
| 21:24.56 | dvs | What? He's still installing??? |
| 21:25.11 | KNERD | yeah |
| 21:26.01 | cws | unixbsd: Actually, cp shall be recommended, inkeeping with the current documentation. Also: cp is better than cat for this case. |
| 21:27.00 | cws | unixbsd: And cat can encounter the same write errors that cp can. |
| 21:28.54 | cws | Lastly, there is nothing wrong with writing a hybrid ISO to a hard drive. It's a bit wasteful if you intend to have that as a bootable medium long term, but its the same mechanism as burning it to any mass storage device, USB or otherwise. |
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| 22:33.47 | Hash | KNERD: I see you wanted a remaster |
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| 22:34.35 | cws | oxek: You are correct about your preference for cp, by the way. if I wasn't clear previously. |
| 22:35.09 | oxek | I know. I'm always right ;) |
| 22:35.14 | cws | :P |
| 22:35.29 | Hash | Eve when he's wrong, he's right. |
| 22:35.34 | Hash | Because he's right about being wrong. |
| 22:35.37 | Hash | :) |
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| 22:37.52 | KNERD | Hash: If that what it does. I want to be able to edit the installer application |
| 22:38.13 | KNERD | and have some default apps to install |
| 22:38.26 | unixbsd | cws: show me the source code why cp would be better ? it depends how the process is being written. fopen, or other. |
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| 22:39.50 | fling | unixbsd: are you unix or bsd? |
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| 22:40.59 | cws | unixbsd: Your original claim is that cat is better. So, show me in the source code why that's the case. |
| 22:41.26 | cws | The official documentation refers to cp. One advantage is that it doesn't require shell redirection. cp is THE utility that exists for this function. |
| 22:41.51 | cws | Use the right tool for the job and stop acting superior. |
| 22:42.27 | cws | If you want to use cat, use cat. cat ALSO works. But cp is better. </discussion> |
| 22:42.56 | unixbsd | sorry but you can do cat in about 15 lines of C code to put the image on the dev |
| 22:43.55 | unixbsd | fd open and it is done. cp is intended way more for files |
| 22:44.11 | fling | busybox cp is superior to util-linux one on gentoo |
| 22:44.50 | fling | s/util-linux/coreutils/ |
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| 22:45.56 | unixbsd | little cat is way smaller than busybox and works still without err check though,... https://termbin.com/ehqd I had in the past noticed that cp didnt work fine. |
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| 23:13.41 | oxek | right way is to buy a debian installation medium or purchase a PC with debian preinstalled anyway |
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