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| 00:03.29 | Echoz | tears of joy is decent |
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| 01:00.08 | dvs | y'all? |
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| 01:46.56 | alex11 | can i install the backported kernel as-is with an nvidia card and using the proprietary driver from stable? |
| 01:50.03 | dreamer | no, you need the driver from backports as well |
| 01:50.07 | dreamer | running that atm |
| 01:50.38 | dreamer | `5.10.0-0.bpo.3-amd64` + `460.39-1~bpo10+1` |
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| 03:05.31 | daniel-s | Hi, I'm trying to setup a raid 5 as the root disk of the system. Suppose that there are 4 drives, each 10GB. Is there a more efficient setup than (say) /boot (512MB) at the beginning for disk 1, then 9.5GB the rest of drive 1 used for raid 5. Then, leaving a 512MB gap on the rest of the 4 disks, and using 9.5GB from each of the remaining for the raid. |
| 03:05.52 | daniel-s | It seems wasteful to leave 1.5GB in total unused. Also, if drive 1 dies the system can't boot anyway. |
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| 03:09.19 | mrjpaxton[m] | That seems pretty typical. What FS are you using for the root, Btrfs? You have to be careful when using that with RAID 5. Also, I'm guessing this is BIOS, not UEFI? |
| 03:09.26 | sney | daniel-s: is this md raid? you could make that 512MB /boot partition a raid1 array mirrored on all of the devices |
| 03:10.05 | mrjpaxton[m] | But yeah, doing /boot on RAID is indeed a problem. You might want to create the partitions after the install to back up /boot to the drives, or you could even put /boot on a USB drive. |
| 03:10.11 | daniel-s | sney: Cool. Yeah, a software raid using the partitioning tool in the debian installer. |
| 03:10.33 | daniel-s | sney: Would I need to individually install grub to each disk as well? |
| 03:10.49 | daniel-s | So that if the first one fails the system still boots. |
| 03:10.52 | sney | daniel-s: that's the approach when using two disks, so it should apply for 2+n |
| 03:11.15 | mrjpaxton[m] | AFAIK, GRUB should only be installed to one drive. You'll need to select your boot device from the BIOS (or UEFI settings). |
| 03:12.57 | mrjpaxton[m] | So you could have GRUB installed to multiple places, but I don't think the Debian Installer will do that. You'll just have to manually back up, then choose which drive to boot from, basically. |
| 03:13.02 | sney | mrjpaxton[m]: standard with any software raid mirror is to treat all disks the same. if /boot is a 5-way mirror on all member disks, then the bootloader should be installed to all of them too. |
| 03:13.16 | sney | and yes, d-i can do this. it's in the menu when it asks what device to install grub to. |
| 03:13.49 | sney | there is no "have to manually back up" anywhere in this |
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| 03:15.48 | daniel-s | mrjpaxton[m]: What are the concerns with using btrfs on a software raid? |
| 03:16.25 | mrjpaxton[m] | Hmm, well as far as I know, with UEFI, you cannot have /boot/efi on more than one drive, esepcailly inside of a Linux RAID, unless you set it as a version 1.0 superblock (prefix). But, I'm not sure if Debian supports that. I've only heard that being supported on Fedora. So migrating such a setup from BIOS to UEFI in the future is going to be more of a pain. |
| 03:16.25 | mrjpaxton[m] | But anyway... the best thing I can think of is to put /boot on a USB drive. |
| 03:17.25 | mrjpaxton[m] | You could also put encryption keys on the same USB drive, if you ever wanted to do that. It just opens up more options. |
| 03:17.39 | daniel-s | I know that btrfs is supposed to have its own ability to setup raids at the filesystem level, rather than using Multi Disk with Linux, but MD seemed more straightforward. |
| 03:17.54 | sney | btrfs's built-in "raid" functionality is full of holes, but if the filesystem is a single volume then those issues shouldn't be relevant |
| 03:18.10 | mrjpaxton[m] | Well he's using RAID 5, so he shouldn't be using Btrfs in that case.... |
| 03:18.35 | mrjpaxton[m] | But I really do like RAID 1 and RAID 10 with it. |
| 03:18.44 | sney | btrfs has write hole problems when *btrfs* is handling the raid. |
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| 03:19.05 | sney | the debian installer doesn't support that yet, so this is md. btrfs will only see a single /dev/md/X volume. |
| 03:19.24 | mrjpaxton[m] | Yeah. Side note: I'm still waiting on bcache FS. |
| 03:19.53 | mrjpaxton[m] | Does Debian have good ZFS support now? |
| 03:20.14 | sney | I'm using it. there are still license issues so it can't be included out of the box, but otherwise it's reliable |
| 03:20.26 | sney | ,v zfs-dkms |
| 03:20.27 | mrjpaxton[m] | Ah, cool. |
| 03:20.28 | judd | Package: zfs-dkms on amd64 -- stretch/contrib: 0.6.5.9-5; stretch-backports/contrib: 0.7.12-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1; buster/contrib: 0.7.12-2+deb10u2; stretch-backports-sloppy/contrib: 0.7.13-1~bpo9+1; buster-backports/contrib: 0.8.6-1~bpo10+1; buster-backports/contrib: 2.0.3-1~bpo10+1; bullseye/contrib: 2.0.3-1; sid/contrib: 2.0.3-1 |
| 03:24.30 | dannylee | i install Debian without grub boot loader...can i still install grub apt-get install grub ...will this mess me up...or is it ok |
| 03:25.10 | sney | dannylee: well, it would be apt install grub-pc or grub-efi, but yes you can install it late |
| 03:25.26 | dannylee | cooool |
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| 03:30.12 | mrjpaxton[m] | dannylee: Well, installing grub from APT won't install it into your system. But, yeah, after installing it, you should be able to do `grub-install /dev/sdX` from a Debian live environment, where "X" is the actual letter, WITHOUT any numbers on the end. |
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| 03:32.25 | dannylee | ok |
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| 04:30.54 | dasunt | Possibly a dumb question, but if the firmware doesn't load for a wifi card, would it still show up under "lspci -vvvv"? |
| 04:31.11 | sney | yup |
| 04:31.21 | dasunt | That's what I thought. |
| 04:31.33 | dasunt | I have either a bad NIC or a bad M.2 slot. :( |
| 04:31.42 | dasunt | Thanks sney. |
| 04:32.20 | sney | some m.2 or minipcie slots are locked to only support certain kinds of devices, check your vendor's docs |
| 04:33.11 | dasunt | HP doesn't share that info with mere mortals. |
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| 04:33.40 | dasunt | TBF, I am installing Linux on one of their thin clients, because why not? |
| 04:33.57 | sney | that is almost certainly the case then, if your nic is not an approved hp part |
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| 04:34.39 | dasunt | I may yank the wifi card from an old laptop tomorrow and see if it shows up under lspci. I doubt it'll be supported, but it'll tell me if it is the slot or the card. |
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| 05:08.32 | urk | Does this firmware have to be compiled https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git ??? |
| 05:10.13 | ectospasm | firmware is not typically compiled by users. It's usually proprietary binary blobs that let your hardware work. |
| 05:10.36 | ectospasm | the exact nature of the firmware depends highly on the specific devices its for. |
| 05:11.05 | dasunt | Nope, it was a 9260 card. |
| 05:12.11 | dasunt | But I may have found my mistake - the system originally took an Intel 8260 card. It has a M.2 slot that's PCI-e compatible. The Intel 8260 comes in a M.2 PCIe version. |
| 05:14.00 | dasunt | I made the mistake of thinking that the Intel 8260 would go in the M.2 slot. :( Here's what HP did: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1221212-REG/hp_n0s95aa_intel_8260_802_11_a_b_g_n_ac.html |
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| 05:17.29 | urk | Would anyone know what the name of the driver is for an Intel network card 2373? Yesterday I was able to get the base installed using the stable release installer, and after running lspci I noticed a reference to an Network card: Intel 2373. I have written Intel, but haven't heard back from them. So far only the testing version of 10.8.0 seems to have drivers that recognize my network card. |
| 05:18.39 | urk | A few days ago, someone indicated that the drivers were found on https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git, but I am wondering whether or not these are just binaries? Or ready to use? |
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| 05:43.26 | milkt | urk: try "lspci -vvvnn" and check device id |
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| 05:47.52 | urk | milkt> Will that give me the name of the drivers? |
| 05:48.22 | urk | Also, do you know if the drivers on Github are ready to use? Or are they only binaries? |
| 05:51.39 | milkt | i do not know |
| 05:52.01 | milkt | but probably easier to solve issue if you have device id |
| 05:53.21 | themill | urk: real device ids help (lspci -nn). It's very rare that you actually go and look for a "driver" with linux systems. The kernel normally has all the modules and you might need to install a firmware package. |
| 05:53.49 | themill | output from the boot process complaining about missing firmware is helpful too |
| 05:57.06 | urk | themill> Stable releases of 10.7.0 and 10.8.0 don't seem to have a driver but its not impossible that it is called something else. Only the latest testing version seems to have the drivers for my network card. Other problems encountered was that the installer won't allow me to write file systems (partitions) to disk if ESI is the first partiion on the drive. For that reason I am putting Linux first, and ESI last. |
| 05:57.29 | urk | I need some beauty sleep, but hope to talk to everyone tomorrow. Thanks for the tips on parameters for lspci. |
| 05:58.00 | themill | Please stop talking about drivers :) |
| 05:58.37 | themill | You may well need a kernel from backports for this particular hardware. |
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| 06:53.36 | milkt | is there way to force apt to use sha256? |
| 06:54.01 | milkt | also is there way to know which hash apt using? |
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| 07:05.22 | themill | I don't recall if it uses the strongest that it has the data for or if it calculates all of them that are listed |
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| 07:06.54 | milkt | maybe i should go check source code |
| 07:06.58 | themill | There is an Acquire::ForceHash config option if you really want. |
| 07:07.08 | milkt | i see, thank you |
| 07:08.00 | arwn | is there a guide for installing non-standard software. I want to try out gnu poke but there's no debian package. should i just make && make install it or make a package or something else. |
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| 07:08.54 | ectospasm | arwn: you can build it the debian way and then install the .deb with dkpg |
| 07:10.01 | arwn | uh sorry what exactly is building it the debian way? |
| 07:10.16 | ectospasm | Hold on, let me google that for you |
| 07:10.35 | themill | ,i checkinstall --release buster-backports |
| 07:11.00 | judd | Package checkinstall (admin, optional) in buster-backports/amd64: installation tracker. Version: 1.6.2+git20170426.d24a630-2~bpo10+1; Size: 111.1k; Installed: 440k; Homepage: http://checkinstall.izto.org; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/checkinstall |
| 07:11.56 | themill | that's the quick and dirty way; to make a better quality package, /msg dpkg packaging tutorial |
| 07:13.06 | themill | Random upstream Makefiles that drop crap all over your filesystem and don't have a way to uninstall it afterwards are painful |
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| 07:13.24 | arwn | oooh so checkinstall just tracks what is placed where and I can remove it all later |
| 07:13.38 | ectospasm | https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/index.en.html |
| 07:13.39 | themill | it tries to, yes. |
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| 10:24.48 | jaggz | on a new install, after install, in x, my network isn't up. I see only lo in interfaces. ip link showed my card, but in down state |
| 10:25.14 | jaggz | actually, ignore for now. have to check the eth cable |
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| 14:17.58 | jhutchins | jaggz: If you check dmesg you'll probably see that you need firmware. |
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| 14:44.39 | jaggz | jhutchins, it worked at initial install and boot and function within x. been too tired to check -- I think i moved the system and took the cable out and didn't put it back |
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| 14:46.52 | NetTerminalGene | guys, i can't see tracking protection level selection in options. do you see? |
| 14:47.36 | NetTerminalGene | in firefox |
| 14:47.42 | NetTerminalGene | firefox-esr |
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| 14:50.32 | tiagozacarias | Hello Debian Users, please help install lpadmin for cups? |
| 14:50.34 | tiagozacarias | Good morning colleagues, |
| 14:50.34 | tiagozacarias | To sum up the situation, I installed cups-client on debian and I don't have the lpadmin command available after installation. Could you help me? |
| 14:52.36 | tiagozacarias | Can anyone tell me if the tool was removed because it was unstable? |
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| 14:54.39 | zykotick9 | hdmi sound issue on debian stable (running as kvm VM with video/hdmi passthrough). It's "HDA Nvidia" listed in "aplay -l". When I try "aplay -D plughw:0,7 /usr/share/alsa/Front_Right.wav" I hear "front, front, front ..." until I ctrl+c the command. Any suggestions? |
| 14:55.32 | milkt | tiagozacarias: is that command included in "dpkg -L cups-client" ? |
| 14:56.05 | thebreadthief | Netteminal, I can see the options standard strict and custom under browser privacy in ESR? about:preferences#privacy |
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| 15:00.22 | tiagozacarias | Hello milkt it was a silly question even it was included in the package but I saw that the path was missing in the $ PATH variable thanks for clarifying. |
| 15:00.47 | tiagozacarias | root@cups-pdf-adc-01:~# dpkg -L cups-client |
| 15:01.14 | tiagozacarias | THanks ! |
| 15:05.25 | gvth | Hi; I have a little problem that might be peanuts to most of you but is very much straightforward to what I have to do at the moment: How do I write a for-loop in bash that iterates on every possible match of a regex pattern, say [01][23] for example. Sorry that I am at the moment to explain better but I hope you understand what I mean... |
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| 15:21.55 | StyXman | I'm debugging with gdb a program that uses libstdc++. I just installed the debug symbols, which of all the files should I tell gdb to load? |
| 15:23.29 | dondelelcaro | StyXman: https://wiki.debian.org/Debuginfod |
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| 15:25.14 | StyXman | dondelelcaro: I _had_ installed the debug package, I'm just wondering which file I should gdb to add-symbol-file |
| 15:26.37 | StyXman | I would quit and start gdb again, but I'm very deep in a debugging session... |
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| 15:32.29 | n4dir | is there a way to make all that gfvs stuff not "load" ? |
| 15:35.35 | dondelelcaro | StyXman: in general, it should be loading automatically, but they're under /usr/lib/debug |
| 15:36.47 | StyXman | right, it was /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/debug/libstdc++.so.6 |
| 15:38.21 | StyXman | n4dir: which desktop environment? |
| 15:38.44 | n4dir | right now mate, fluxbox, openbox and e16 are installed |
| 15:38.51 | n4dir | but i would like to disable it in general |
| 15:39.17 | StyXman | I would say deinstall it, but most probably it will remove at least mate, I think |
| 15:39.32 | n4dir | that is the problem |
| 15:39.35 | StyXman | mate wass. gnome 2? |
| 15:40.36 | dondelelcaro | StyXman: ah; that's the debug build, not the debug symbols, IIRC. |
| 15:40.42 | dondelelcaro | StyXman: but hopefully it's working just fine |
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| 15:42.28 | mzajc | greetings! I have the package libavdevice58=7:4.3.1-8 with pinning priority of 500 from bullseye and 400 from sid. apt policy, however, says that the candidate is 7:4.3.2-0+deb11u1, which is the one from the sid. not sure if that's related, but I have a recompiled version of this package installed with a few flags added. what could've caused this? |
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| 16:00.54 | StyXman | dondelelcaro: ahhh! and the debugsyms are not packaged anymore, that's why the thing you liked to! |
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| 16:02.52 | StyXman | dondelelcaro: |
| 16:02.54 | StyXman | (gdb) symbol-file /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/debug/libstdc++.so.6 |
| 16:02.54 | StyXman | Reading symbols from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/debug/libstdc++.so.6... |
| 16:03.01 | StyXman | it ate it just fine :) |
| 16:03.13 | StyXman | (or so it said) |
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| 16:11.24 | zykotick9 | UPDATE - so using bullseye the HDMI audio works correctly. I might see if using a backported kernel/nvidia driver, solves for stable. |
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| 16:16.12 | Gramcore | i want to make a cron script that updates my system, i wrote this: https://dpaste.org/zUZJ |
| 16:16.35 | Gramcore | is it correct? i want to bypass interactive screens, like the one i got from upgrading grub though |
| 16:16.48 | Gramcore | i got an ncurses menu when i upgraded grub, which i don't want |
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| 16:21.13 | Spec | Gramcore: have you considered utilizing unattended-upgrades ? |
| 16:24.09 | Gramcore | Spec, yes. can i force it to reboot every time it upgrades? i want it to run dist-upgrade every sunday at 4am, and reboot. even if the packages don't ask for a reboot, still reboot. |
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| 16:29.57 | Deknos | https://askubuntu.com/questions/973318/unattended-upgradeautomatic-reboot-default-value <-- yes |
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| 16:30.14 | Deknos | though unattended != dist upgrade |
| 16:30.20 | Deknos | i think, at least |
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| 16:31.40 | Gramcore | does unattended do the apt-get upgrade, which upgrades without changing install status of packages? |
| 16:31.45 | Gramcore | the safe-upgrade basically |
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| 16:45.56 | aloo_shu | hey, I'm having a recovery mission: a 26kB human readable xml file that the software had set to 0kB in an unclean quit, on an ext4 fs. I'm feeling like this should be a doable thing, yet fsck.ext4 , magicrescue, testdisk/photorec are not offering any help with this scenario, or I'm missing something. Any suggestions? |
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| 16:51.08 | Gramcore | should i enable stable-proposed-updates (buster-proposed-updates)? right now i only have buster/updates and security-updates |
| 16:51.11 | Deknos | Gramcore, as far as i remember, unattended upgrades does ONLY security upgrades. |
| 16:51.22 | Deknos | you should really read its documentation |
| 16:51.25 | Gramcore | Deknos, https://linuxiac.com/how-to-set-up-automatic-updates-on-debian/ |
| 16:51.41 | Gramcore | i read this, seems to do more things even proposed upgrades |
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| 16:54.20 | Deknos | i like this one more: /usr/share/doc/unattended-upgrades/README.md.gz |
| 16:54.36 | Deknos | you can indeed configure this really granulary |
| 16:55.05 | Deknos | actually, really nice. |
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| 17:05.06 | Gramcore | Deknos, also i read this: https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades |
| 17:05.46 | Gramcore | it seems i can use 20auto-upgrades or 02periodic to enable the unattended-upgrades, although it doesn't state whats the difference between the two files |
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| 17:17.40 | Deknos | the first one can be automatically be created by the unattended package acording to the wiki, the second one by yourself. but i admit i also think it's confusing |
| 17:18.00 | Deknos | perhaps the first one is also tracked by the package management as well, and the second one, not. |
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| 17:21.49 | zumba_addict | Folks, I'm wondering why my debian is still acquiring an ip address from a dhcp server where I've set it to static for years without any issue. It started when I switched to Xfinity. My debian acquired a new ip address but my interfaces file is still showing static ip configuring of the old ip I set |
| 17:22.24 | nkuttler | what's xfinity? |
| 17:22.38 | zumba_addict | it's an internet provider here in the US |
| 17:22.51 | zumba_addict | they give us a modem/router |
| 17:23.10 | nkuttler | zumba_addict: are you talking about your external ip? |
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| 17:23.32 | zumba_addict | no, internal machine |
| 17:23.49 | nkuttler | zumba_addict: i assume the router has a dhcpd running? and you don't want to use it? |
| 17:23.53 | zumba_addict | it does |
| 17:24.01 | nkuttler | zumba_addict: paste your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:24.02 | zumba_addict | and yes, i don't want to use it for the debian |
| 17:24.12 | nkuttler | or /etc/network/interfaces.d/* if relevant |
| 17:25.07 | nkuttler | zumba_addict: i'm only guessing now, but perhaps the new router uses a different network than your previous one? |
| 17:25.47 | zumba_addict | https://i.imgur.com/dtreDV4.jpg |
| 17:26.46 | zumba_addict | it was 192.168.1.107 last night and I was able to ssh to it. Then I pulled the network cable this morning and put it back on after 30 mins, I can't access it anymore via ssh. I went to the machine directly and was shocked with the ip address of .231, LOL |
| 17:26.58 | nkuttler | it? |
| 17:27.11 | zumba_addict | lan cable |
| 17:27.28 | nkuttler | "ssh to it" |
| 17:27.29 | zumba_addict | i meant, i reconnected it to the xfinity modem/router |
| 17:27.47 | zumba_addict | yes, I am using ssh from my mac laptop |
| 17:27.51 | nkuttler | your debian machine was 192.168.1.107 last night? |
| 17:28.02 | zumba_addict | not just last night, for 10 years+ |
| 17:28.16 | zumba_addict | I was with AT&T Uverse before |
| 17:28.33 | zumba_addict | did you see the screenshot? |
| 17:28.35 | nkuttler | zumba_addict: pgrep for dhcp-client |
| 17:28.40 | zumba_addict | k |
| 17:28.55 | zumba_addict | no output |
| 17:29.02 | zumba_addict | went back to the console right away |
| 17:29.06 | nkuttler | just a wild guess, but maybe something on your system tries to connect via dhcp when the network is down. which sounds buggy |
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| 17:29.27 | nkuttler | i'd bring down the interface and up again |
| 17:29.51 | zumba_addict | i think that will work but it's so weird right |
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| 17:30.15 | nkuttler | btw, you have duplicate enp6s0 configs? |
| 17:30.19 | nkuttler | it is |
| 17:30.35 | zumba_addict | duplicate, how do I check it? |
| 17:31.12 | zumba_addict | should I remove the enp6s0 file? |
| 17:31.26 | nkuttler | you showed two files in your picture that have the same static config |
| 17:31.31 | zumba_addict | yup |
| 17:31.42 | nkuttler | i don't think that should have an effect tbh, but i'd clean that up |
| 17:32.01 | zumba_addict | ok, which one should I remove? I guess the one in interfaces.d directory |
| 17:32.24 | zumba_addict | i'll try it now |
| 17:32.41 | zumba_addict | it's rebooting |
| 17:33.09 | zumba_addict | running a continuous ping from my mac right now on original ip, .107 |
| 17:33.30 | zumba_addict | now got the response from debian, it's up |
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| 17:33.48 | zumba_addict | i'll remove the cable again and restore it back after 5 mins. I'll keep you posted |
| 17:34.10 | zumba_addict | ah let me ssh and check if it recreated the file in interfaces.d |
| 17:34.21 | zumba_addict | it did not, cool |
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| 17:35.20 | zumba_addict | lan cable of debian disconnected from xfinity modem. I'll get some coffe |
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| 17:42.57 | zumba_addict | so weird nkuttler. I am not sure how xfinity modem is assigning the ip address to my debian if interfaces file is configured for static ip. Is my interfaces file correct though? |
| 17:44.00 | zumba_addict | hmm, maybe it's the dnsmasq process. Let me stop it |
| 17:44.15 | zumba_addict | this "/usr/sbin/dnsmasq --conf-file=/var/lib/libvirt/dnsmasq/default.conf --leasefile-ro --dhcp-script=/usr/lib/libvirt/libvirt_leaseshelper" |
| 17:45.05 | zumba_addict | but config shows the other interface "interface=virbr0" |
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| 17:47.21 | zumba_addict | maybe because of the line auto enp6s0 |
| 17:47.42 | zumba_addict | and allow hotplug |
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| 17:47.58 | zumba_addict | i commented them out. Rebooting |
| 17:51.15 | zumba_addict | it didn't work anymore. It still used the dhcp ip address provided by modem |
| 17:51.24 | zumba_addict | this is so friggin weird |
| 17:51.59 | zumba_addict | i grep 231 in /etc/network, none |
| 17:52.08 | zumba_addict | 231 is the dhcp ip addres |
| 17:52.26 | zumba_addict | also grep'd it in interfaces.d, none |
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| 17:54.14 | zumba_addict | wow, `syslog:Feb 27 11:50:35 sdr dhclient[1324]: DHCPREQUEST of 192.168.1.231 on enp6s0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67` which process is doing this? |
| 17:54.35 | zumba_addict | avahi-daemon? |
| 17:55.02 | GNU\colossus | dhclient[1324] |
| 17:55.23 | zumba_addict | but why if interfaces file is set to static? |
| 17:55.39 | zumba_addict | a bug in debian 9? |
| 17:55.43 | GNU\colossus | maybe check who's the parent process |
| 17:55.54 | zumba_addict | it's not even running |
| 17:56.01 | zumba_addict | let me double check |
| 17:56.12 | zumba_addict | ah there is |
| 17:56.18 | zumba_addict | i tried dhc instead of dhcp |
| 17:58.18 | nkuttler | zumba_addict: what do you use dnsmasq for? |
| 17:58.23 | nkuttler | ah, never mind :) |
| 17:58.36 | nkuttler | right, dhclient.. my bad |
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| 18:02.29 | zumba_addict | i'm trying to figure out how dhclient is being called |
| 18:02.38 | zumba_addict | i am looking at the systemd networking service right now |
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| 18:14.19 | zumba_addict | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=266175 |
| 18:14.20 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/266175 in ifupdown (open): «Changing from dhcp to static IP: dhclient still running»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2004-08-16; last modified: 2004-08-16. |
| 18:14.42 | zumba_addict | that's a weird behavior or approach |
| 18:15.09 | zumba_addict | i should follow whatever is set in interfaces file |
| 18:16.30 | sney | that bug shouldn't affect you after a reboot |
| 18:18.25 | jmcnaught | The problem seems to be that it does follow whatever is in the interfaces file. You're supposed to ifdown the interface in question before editing /e/n/interfaces. |
| 18:19.36 | zumba_addict | sney=> it doesn't |
| 18:20.03 | zumba_addict | i tried ifdown enp6s0 and got an error saying enp6s0 is not configured |
| 18:21.23 | zumba_addict | https://i.imgur.com/2e6O6TN.png |
| 18:22.30 | zumba_addict | ifstate file only has lo set |
| 18:22.48 | zumba_addict | i'll try manually adding it |
| 18:24.18 | zumba_addict | ah i think because I removed auto enps60 in interfaces, let me revert it then change ifdown it |
| 18:26.58 | zumba_addict | ah, I think the dhc is being kicked in by `#allow-hotplug enp6s0`. dhclient did not start this time |
| 18:27.12 | zumba_addict | but let me remove the cable again |
| 18:30.46 | zumba_addict | wow, it doesn |
| 18:31.07 | zumba_addict | wow, it doesn't start dhclient anymore but it doesn't know that it needs to turn interface to up again |
| 18:31.33 | zumba_addict | looks like the hotplug is required |
| 18:32.17 | zumba_addict | ill ifdown it, restore back hotplug |
| 18:32.36 | jmcnaught | For an interface that is always there you want auto not allow-hotplug. allow-hotplug is for hotplugged ethernet adapters, like USB. |
| 18:33.32 | zumba_addict | lol, i ran ifdown enp6s0 and it said, cannot assign address. It grabbed a dhcp ip address |
| 18:33.49 | zumba_addict | ah |
| 18:34.09 | zumba_addict | i didn't restore it though but it still acquired an ip |
| 18:34.19 | zumba_addict | i still can't ifdown it |
| 18:34.47 | jmcnaught | Have you rebooted with the new interfaces file yet? Can you make a paste (not a screenshot) of your interfaces file? |
| 18:35.48 | zumba_addict | https://bpa.st/PIOPM |
| 18:36.07 | zumba_addict | it works fine when I reboot. It uses the static ip address I set in interfaces file |
| 18:36.52 | zumba_addict | It fails when I remove/reconnect the lan cable. I know I will never do this but last night, it was making me so confused |
| 18:37.49 | zumba_addict | Once I reconnect the lan cable, dhclient starts and it grabs an ip from the dhcp server and not the one I assigned as static |
| 18:38.45 | jmcnaught | "systemctl status $(pgrep dhclient)" check and see which unit owns the dhclient process. |
| 18:38.47 | zumba_addict | So i did some research and found a solution in stackexchange or stackoverflow that we need to ifdown interface before updating interfaces file. Unfortunately, ifdown is failing on me |
| 18:38.53 | zumba_addict | k |
| 18:39.20 | zumba_addict | ah wicd.service |
| 18:39.28 | zumba_addict | sharing a paste |
| 18:39.57 | zumba_addict | https://bpa.st/OT6FU |
| 18:40.22 | zumba_addict | can I systemctl disable wicd.service :D |
| 18:40.26 | jmcnaught | I don't know about wicd, but NetworkManager by default will ignore interfaces defined in /e/n/interfaces. |
| 18:40.47 | zumba_addict | got it |
| 18:40.54 | zumba_addict | i'll disable this service, hehe |
| 18:41.00 | jmcnaught | If you don't use wicd then I would "systemctl --now disable wicd.service" or possibly remove it (unless it also removes a bunch of other xfce packages or something) |
| 18:41.14 | zumba_addict | yup |
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| 18:43.12 | zumba_addict | rebooting |
| 18:43.34 | zumba_addict | i checked it with is-enabled and it is |
| 18:43.43 | zumba_addict | thanks a lot |
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| 18:44.02 | zumba_addict | i always forget about that we can use pid in systemctl |
| 18:44.56 | zumba_addict | wicd.service, this is good - Active: inactive (dead) |
| 18:45.21 | zumba_addict | we'll find out soon since I took out the lan cable |
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| 18:47.38 | zumba_addict | it is now fixed :) |
| 18:47.50 | jmcnaught | wicked! |
| 18:47.56 | zumba_addict | ifconfig on the down interface still showed my origin ip address |
| 18:48.03 | zumba_addict | then i put the cable back |
| 18:48.20 | zumba_addict | i ping from mac on that same address, it was good. No more .231 |
| 18:48.22 | zumba_addict | :D |
| 18:48.40 | zumba_addict | xorg ui is complaining now about wicd process, lol |
| 18:48.45 | zumba_addict | like you mentinoed |
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| 18:49.03 | zumba_addict | this is better since I don't normally use the gui |
| 18:49.31 | zumba_addict | thank you :) |
| 18:49.46 | jmcnaught | you're welcome |
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| 19:17.02 | jhutchins | zumba_addict: wicd is pretty much deprecated in favor of NM. |
| 19:18.25 | sney | on stretch, though? |
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| 19:20.58 | jhutchins | sney: Yeah, it was lagging behind in squeze. |
| 19:21.10 | jhutchins | By jessie it was clearly the better tool. |
| 19:21.25 | oxek | stretch is pretty much deprecated too |
| 19:21.49 | jhutchins | oxek: Stretch is still partially supported as oldstable. |
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| 19:22.18 | oxek | you're right, deprecated is not the right word. But it is on life support. |
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| 19:25.49 | jhutchins | From what I've seen, wicd either works or it doesn't. If it doesn't, troubleshooting it is a waste of time, because NM almost always works these days. |
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| 19:29.06 | jhutchins | One of the oddest failure modes seems to be that wicd just doesn't see some cards, even when manual configuration or NM does. |
| 19:29.22 | jhutchins | Back in Lenny it was more likely to work. |
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| 19:30.56 | jhutchins | s/cards/chipsets |
| 19:31.33 | jhutchins | Is wifi common on desktops these days? |
| 19:32.09 | oxek | it's on almost every consumer desktop motherboard nowadays |
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| 19:37.44 | jhutchins | remembers cards with antennas on them. |
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| 20:05.27 | bifunc2 | hi |
| 20:05.54 | bifunc2 | apparmor confuses me. it doesn't block new programs on a system from access to my files/folders. so what's the point? where's the "security"? |
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| 20:13.08 | zykotick9 | bifunc2: heh. apparmor confuses me. it does block access to files/folder from an application (libvirt) that I want. ;) |
| 20:14.29 | bifunc2 | zykotick9 so the model is, you have to think carefully and write an apparmor rule _before_ running each program? |
| 20:14.34 | bifunc2 | by default it can access things |
| 20:14.57 | Mister00X | bifunc2: afaik the packages should ship the profile |
| 20:17.44 | zykotick9 | bifunc2: I assure you, I've written no apparmor rules ;) debian is shipping packages that already have rules setup - my example: libvirt (thus far I've been lazy, and rather than correcting issue, I've just disabled apparmour from qemu) |
| 20:18.48 | Mister00X | bifunc2: but there are |
| 20:18.59 | Mister00X | ,v apparmor-profiles |
| 20:19.00 | judd | Package: apparmor-profiles on amd64 -- jessie: 2.9.0-3; stretch: 2.11.0-3+deb9u2; buster: 2.13.2-10; bullseye: 2.13.6-9; sid: 2.13.6-9; experimental: 3.0.1-5 |
| 20:19.06 | Mister00X | and |
| 20:19.24 | Mister00X | ,v apparmor-profiles-extra |
| 20:19.25 | judd | Package: apparmor-profiles-extra on amd64 -- jessie: 1.4; stretch: 1.11; buster: 1.26; bullseye: 1.30; sid: 1.31 |
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| 20:21.52 | agiofws | hello |
| 20:22.33 | bifunc2 | zykotick9 ok but i still don't get the point of it. let's say i have documents in ~/top_secret/ Won't text editors for instance have access to this folder, even with the shipped apparmor rules? I was hoping it would be more like with macOS sandboxes, where the app has by default no access but only gets access if the user explicitly selects a file from e.g. an open dialog or by dragging a file on the app. |
| 20:22.56 | bifunc2 | Am I making any sense to anyone? Maybe apparmor isn't what I'm after.. |
| 20:23.26 | sney | debian's apparmor setup out of the box is set to 'complain' rather than 'enforce', so by default, nothing is prevented. it just logs about it. this was so people wouldn't get into the habit of disabling apparmor system-wide when they had problems. |
| 20:23.44 | sney | but it does mean you have to tweak the settings if you want blocking |
| 20:24.42 | sney | more information here, though broadly it's just 'aa-enforce /path/to/profile' https://wiki.debian.org/AppArmor/HowToUse |
| 20:25.19 | zykotick9 | sney: "nothing is prevented" ahhh that is not what I experience with libvirt's data pool, until apparmor is disabled I can't relocate where images are stored... |
| 20:26.15 | sney | well, that's how it's supposed to be. maybe the libvirt package brought some of its own defaults to the party. |
| 20:26.21 | bifunc2 | sney: Can I configure it to make every program (until I change things for particular programs of my choosing) get no access whatsoever to /home/joe/top_secret ? |
| 20:26.43 | agiofws | for some reason i have lost my wifi device the firmware does not load it probably failed via a distro update can anyone help ? my wifi hadrdware is a rtl8821ce wifi card . care to check out my failing firmware i installed through apt-get |
| 20:26.59 | sney | bifunc2: the docs can answer that better than I can, though afaik yes. there's also a sarnold talk on youtube about it, hold for link |
| 20:27.27 | agiofws | for some reason i have lost my wifi device the firmware does not load it probably failed via a distro update can anyone help ? my wifi hadrdware is a rtl8821ce wifi card . care to check out my failing firmware i installed through apt-get https://paste.debian.net/1187209/ |
| 20:27.36 | sney | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRZ59lxLlOY some irc people have real faces! |
| 20:28.09 | Mister00X | agiofws: which rev of that card is it? |
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| 20:28.42 | bifunc2 | sney thank you! |
| 20:28.59 | sney | np |
| 20:29.08 | agiofws | Mister00X, https://paste.debian.net/1187212/ |
| 20:29.40 | Mister00X | agiofws: for some strange reason that link doesnt load on my end |
| 20:30.17 | Mister00X | give me a second |
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| 20:31.02 | agiofws | Mister00X, http://codepad.org/bfaxsHkW |
| 20:32.38 | Mister00X | agiofws: thanks that works on my end. could you also paste dkms | grep rtw |
| 20:33.28 | agiofws | http://codepad.org/HtaV2V8K Mister00X |
| 20:33.29 | jhutchins | !rtl8821ce |
| 20:33.43 | jhutchins | dpkg: realtek |
| 20:33.43 | dpkg | Realtek is a developer of semiconductors. Realtek Ethernet controllers are supported by the 8139too, 8139cp and <r8169> drivers in the mainline Linux kernel. For support of Realtek-based wireless LAN devices, ask me about <rtl819x> (802.11n) or <rtl818x> (802.11b/g). |
| 20:34.12 | Mister00X | agiofws: sorry typo dmesg | grep rtw |
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| 20:35.13 | agiofws | Mister00X, http://codepad.org/BGQB1Zts |
| 20:35.17 | jhutchins | paste.debian.net appears to be down. |
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| 20:35.53 | Mister00X | agiofws: you have firmware-realtek installed? |
| 20:36.04 | sney | ,file rtw8821c_fw.bin |
| 20:36.11 | judd | No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 20:36.17 | agiofws | i just installed it via apt-get |
| 20:36.28 | sney | ,file rtw8821c_fw.bin --release buster-backports |
| 20:36.30 | judd | Search for rtw8821c_fw.bin in buster-backports/amd64: firmware-realtek: lib/firmware/rtw88/rtw8821c_fw.bin |
| 20:36.42 | sney | agiofws: it would need to be the buster-backports package ^ |
| 20:36.54 | agiofws | http://codepad.org/Juwb0Ydy |
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| 20:37.25 | Mister00X | agiofws: you will need the backports one as sney said |
| 20:37.48 | Mister00X | and maybe (not sure about that) a backports-kernel too |
| 20:38.20 | agiofws | Linux lapi 5.10.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.10.13-1~bpo10+1 (2021-02-11) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 20:38.20 | sney | that one varies, try it with just the firmware package first, and only upgrade the kernel if necessary |
| 20:38.28 | sney | oh, already there. |
| 20:38.42 | Mister00X | agiofws: sorry the only device on I have that has exactly this card is running sid |
| 20:39.07 | Mister00X | and there are not all revs of this card supported by the kernel |
| 20:39.26 | sney | yeah so just 'apt -t buster-backports install firmware-realtek' and you'll get the 20200918-1~bpo10+1 version that actually has that file. |
| 20:39.58 | agiofws | should i remove the one i have install now? |
| 20:40.14 | agiofws | installed* |
| 20:40.14 | sney | no, it will upgrade |
| 20:40.19 | agiofws | ok |
| 20:41.22 | agiofws | http://codepad.org/MtgxzIUw ok done |
| 20:41.42 | sney | reboot and test wifi |
| 20:42.22 | agiofws | sney, or Mister00X if i update / upgrade via synaptic will the backports version get removed again? |
| 20:42.36 | sney | I don't use synaptic, but it shouldn't |
| 20:42.52 | sney | you can 'apt-mark hold firmware-realtek' if you want to make sure |
| 20:43.00 | Mister00X | I dont know that either |
| 20:43.45 | sney | apt/dpkg do not officially support downgrading, and no frontend should ever do it automatically. synaptic has been known to misbehave, though. if it does that then you should definitely report the bug. |
| 20:44.02 | agiofws | maybe the backports version unininstalled when i tried to install realtek drivers with out backports |
| 20:44.09 | Mister00X | agiofws: no |
| 20:44.42 | agiofws | ok rebooting |
| 20:44.48 | Mister00X | agiofws: apt will print something like warning downgrades are not supported so you would know |
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| 20:47.21 | agiofws | ok connected via wifi |
| 20:47.30 | agiofws | thank you all |
| 20:47.33 | sney | np |
| 20:47.38 | Mister00X | agiofws: great! |
| 20:48.03 | agiofws | could you explain what was wrong with the "default" realtek drivers? |
| 20:48.07 | Mister00X | my rtl8821ce only works thanks to a github project. |
| 20:48.29 | Mister00X | agiofws: rtl8821ce is supported since 5.9 |
| 20:48.35 | agiofws | isn't that github project only for arch linux ? |
| 20:49.10 | Mister00X | agiofws: no it works on debian sid too just dont use the AUR package but the compile/install script |
| 20:49.17 | sney | realtek releases a new nic, and usually posts the driver to github around the same time. it takes a while for it to be included in the linux kernel. |
| 20:49.35 | Mister00X | 1.5 years and counting |
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| 20:50.29 | sney | ubuntu has no problem including random github drivers in releases. debian is more picky. so where a rtl8821ce might work in an older ubuntu release, the driver doesn't get into debian until kernel.org accepts it. |
| 20:50.49 | agiofws | Mister00X, why did i not use githubs project drivers ? |
| 20:51.19 | sney | you didn't need the github driver. the code is included in your 5.10 kernel. you just needed the firmware to support it. |
| 20:51.32 | Mister00X | agiofws: because it appears to work since 5.9 for your revisions |
| 20:51.58 | agiofws | !logs |
| 20:51.58 | dpkg | Logs are what you should always check when you have a problem, they live in /var/log/ . For #debian logs, ask me about <irclog>. |
| 20:52.03 | Mister00X | but mine will be supported with kernel 5.12 |
| 20:52.27 | agiofws | don't we ahve the same card ? |
| 20:52.44 | agiofws | !irclog |
| 20:52.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, irclog is #debian on <freenode> is logged at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23debian/ , #debian on <OFTC> is logged at http://irclogs.thegrebs.com/debian/ |
| 20:52.49 | Mister00X | agiofws: yes but different revisions |
| 20:53.16 | agiofws | how do i check the revision number lspci - v? |
| 20:53.17 | Mister00X | like you have rfe 0 or 1 and I have rfe 2 which is not supported atm |
| 20:53.26 | agiofws | ok |
| 20:54.07 | Mister00X | agiofws: honestly Idk . I only know that because of a dmesg message reading > rfe 2 is not supported |
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| 21:04.09 | agiofws | ok where can i find logs of this channel ? |
| 21:04.35 | agiofws | http://irclogs.thegrebs.com/debian/ i cannot to find my logs from there |
| 21:05.31 | Mister00X | agiofws: thats the oftc log |
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| 21:09.00 | agiofws | does does irssi store logs anywhere? |
| 21:11.04 | Mister00X | agiofws: the bot gave you 2 links, one for freenode one for oftc you want the freenode one |
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| 21:12.53 | agiofws | i canot seem to find my name in those logs something might be wrong from my side |
| 21:12.57 | jokie | is there a list of compatible / incompatible USB LTE dongles? |
| 21:13.03 | jokie | I'm about to buy one but don't want to be surprised |
| 21:13.19 | nkuttler | agiofws: you have to configure irssi |
| 21:15.47 | Mister00X | agiofws: I think freenode logs are provided on daily basis so you will have to wait for 12 pm UTC |
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| 21:18.15 | agiofws | but i'm searching for logs from the 21st of November until the 10th of December at least i can't find any logs |
| 21:18.23 | agiofws | thats 2020 |
| 21:21.46 | jhutchins | jokie: Buy it from somewhere you can return it easily. |
| 21:23.13 | jhutchins | Most distros don't have the resources for hardware compatibility testing, so unless you can find someone else who already has one - and you can be certain that the manufacture didn't swap out a component - it's really hard to find that info. |
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| 21:28.35 | jokie | does anybody here use successfully LTE dongle? ^_^ |
| 21:29.24 | Mister00X | jokie: not LTE but USB thethering |
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| 21:35.29 | jokie | Mister00X is that not the same thing? |
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| 21:36.02 | Mister00X | jokie: depends. I meant USB thetering from an android phone |
| 21:38.11 | jhutchins | jokie: An LTE dongle would prsumably connect directly to the cellular network. |
| 21:38.39 | jhutchins | jokie: You'll want to make sure it's compatible with your provider's network. |
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| 22:02.20 | jhutchins | jokie: You might want to see what your tethering possibilities are. Your provider may charge extra, but you'll need another line for a dongle. Some phones will even do WiFi tethering. (I don't think they do Blutooth.) |
| 22:02.43 | jokie | the thing is, I have a laptop with no wifi adapter |
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| 22:03.16 | jokie | no wifi interface, so I want internetz to come through USB interface somehow |
| 22:03.23 | jokie | and I'm on the go, so it's gotta be portable |
| 22:04.02 | Mister00X | jokie: do you have an android phone? |
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| 22:04.52 | jhutchins | Most smart phones support USB tethering. You connect to the phone with a USB cable, and then enable tethering, and the phone becomes a router. |
| 22:05.59 | jhutchins | Laptops without wifi are pretty rare these days, is this one pretty old? |
| 22:06.20 | Mister00X | My S7 for example can also do WIFI thethering |
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| 22:09.36 | Abbott | if I always want to be on sid, can I do something like 'deb http://deb.debian.org/debian sid main' in /etc/apt/sources.list? or is sid not a recognized keyword |
| 22:10.22 | Mister00X | Abbott: I dont know about sid but unstable is for sure |
| 22:10.26 | jhutchins | !sid |
| 22:10.26 | dpkg | hmm... sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that when it breaks, you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
| 22:10.48 | jhutchins | !debian-next |
| 22:10.48 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
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| 22:11.37 | Abbott | stable is still on linux 4.4 so I figure it's worth staying on unstable |
| 22:11.48 | Abbott | or is that an uncommon idea |
| 22:12.30 | jmcnaught | stable is on 4.19, you may want to spend some time understanding the differences between stable and unstable, it's more than version numbers being higher. |
| 22:13.11 | Mister00X | Abbott: there are also backports |
| 22:16.15 | Abbott | backports is compiling newer packages with older libs, right |
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| 22:17.06 | jmcnaught | It's not just compiling them yourself there is a buster-backports repo: https://backports.debian.org/ |
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| 22:18.26 | Abbott | yeah I have that one already I think, but that's where those packages come from, right? |
| 22:18.35 | Abbott | or that's what they are, rather |
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| 22:20.01 | jmcnaught | Yeah, they're packages taken from testing/bullseye and recompiled for buster. Not all packages make it into buster-backports, and it's not recommended to use everything from there, but lots of important packages are available there. |
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| 22:47.41 | jhutchins | Abbott: Bug fixes and security issues get patched in stable. The main number may not change, but the debian portion of the package name will. |
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| 23:11.45 | neilthereildeil | hey guys |
| 23:12.13 | neilthereildeil | there are 2 main types of nvidia drivers, right? the noveau opensource one, and the nvidia proprietary one, right? |
| 23:12.33 | Mister00X | from what i know yes |
| 23:12.43 | sney | correct |
| 23:13.11 | neilthereildeil | so i was running noveau, and i THINK i installed the nvidia driver, but lsmod doesnt list "nvidia" however, glxinfo shows hardware rendering. whats going on? |
| 23:13.33 | sney | modern nouveau can do hardware rendering. you probably installed the firmware to support it. |
| 23:14.26 | neilthereildeil | lsmod shows neither nvidia nor nouveau |
| 23:14.51 | neilthereildeil | but i still see apt install -t buster-backports nvidia-driver firmware-misc-nonfree |
| 23:15.15 | neilthereildeil | i doubt nvidia is statically linked into the kenrl because its tainted... |
| 23:15.42 | sney | you're probably misinterpreting glxinfo output, or lsmod output |
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| 23:16.37 | sney | if you want more information you're going to have to share a pastebin. |
| 23:17.19 | neilthereildeil | so lspci -k -vvv shows: Kernel modules: nvidia |
| 23:18.05 | neilthereildeil | https://pastebin.com/ZE2UYMnW |
| 23:19.12 | sney | i915 is loaded. that's intel graphics. this is probably an optimus system. |
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| 23:21.07 | neilthereildeil | ahh right this is the whole switchable graphics thing, right? where i have an integrated GPU in my CPU die, and then a discrete GPU? |
| 23:21.18 | sney | right |
| 23:21.37 | neilthereildeil | but why does lspci show nvidia module is in use? |
| 23:22.13 | sney | because you have the nvidia driver and nvidia hardware, so the driver loads. that doesn't make your gui use it, but it's still loaded |
| 23:22.46 | neilthereildeil | why doesnt lsmod show nvidia then? |
| 23:23.34 | sney | ah, sorry, "kernel modules" in lspci just reports the supported drivers on disk. if it was in use it would be listed as "kernel driver in use" |
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| 23:23.50 | neilthereildeil | ahhh ok |
| 23:24.55 | neilthereildeil | so how can i start using it? |
| 23:26.35 | sney | https://wiki.debian.org/NVIDIA%20Optimus |
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| 23:27.25 | neilthereildeil | thank you |
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