| 00:00.22 | mentor | ratrace: No. |
| 00:00.34 | ratrace | then what are you saying |
| 00:00.54 | mentor | That you can't have mandatory access control if you can change the thing applying it |
| 00:01.16 | ratrace | says who? |
| 00:01.56 | ratrace | again, the M in MAC stands for mandatory policy for every subject -> context -> object relationship |
| 00:02.03 | mentor | ratrace: Says who? |
| 00:02.06 | ratrace | I did not make that up. look it up. |
| 00:02.43 | mentor | ratrace: AOL |
| 00:03.16 | Taserface | fight fight fight |
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| 00:03.47 | mentor | The DAC, MAC, MLS terms are from a heritage from 3-letter government agencies that are without the design of operating systems, especially Linux lineages |
| 00:04.09 | ratrace | says who? :) |
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| 00:04.22 | ratrace | or are you bringing tinfoil into the discussion? |
| 00:04.23 | mentor | ratrace: I guess, look it up? |
| 00:04.32 | foxide | SELinux would like a word? So would mainframes. |
| 00:04.48 | mentor | SELinux was an NSA gift specifically to implement this sort of thing |
| 00:05.11 | ratrace | SELinux is not the only MAC framework in the linux kernel. it's not the only LSM |
| 00:05.15 | mentor | And there have been various patches over the years to try and lock down the kernel from uid 0 |
| 00:05.20 | ratrace | so which 3-letter agency designed the others? |
| 00:05.38 | mentor | ratrace: Why do you think that question is relevant? |
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| 00:06.04 | ratrace | well you brought them into the discussion. you should know the answer to that |
| 00:06.30 | ratrace | meanwhile, I'll be sitting here and waiting for the conspiracy punchline |
| 00:06.40 | Taserface | from everybody's favorite TLA |
| 00:07.04 | mentor | I mention them only to point out the different context of their usage |
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| 00:08.05 | ratrace | you literally had to ask what's a MAC and now you act as if you know what it is or isn't... |
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| 00:08.43 | mentor | ratrace: Is that actually a refutation of what I'm saying? |
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| 00:09.27 | ratrace | it's realization how ridiculous it is for me to argue about what MACs are with someone who had to ask what's a MAC |
| 00:09.47 | mentor | ratrace: It sounds a bit like you're dismissing me because I'm new |
| 00:10.17 | foxide | ratrace: What's ridiculous is that it took him all of, what, five minutes to become more competent on the subject than you. |
| 00:10.35 | foxide | ratrace: So maybe leaning on the fact that he asked first isn't turning out too well for you. |
| 00:10.45 | mentor | Right |
| 00:10.52 | ratrace | competent how? by asking what's a MAC? lol? |
| 00:11.04 | foxide | Asking, learning, and now beating you over the head with it. |
| 00:11.12 | ratrace | or maybe by bringing in the TLA conspiracy in? |
| 00:11.19 | ratrace | lol beating how? |
| 00:11.19 | mentor | I've indulged my annoyances long enough; This is now not contributing to the channel |
| 00:11.22 | foxide | Learning begins with questions. What a concept, that. |
| 00:11.28 | mentor | I should ask everyone to stop |
| 00:11.44 | mentor | I promise I will not say another word on the matter |
| 00:11.48 | foxide | ratrace: By knowing what he's talking about, and highlighting in nearly everything you say how much of a consistent buffoon you are. |
| 00:11.49 | ratrace | there was no question, there was a statement that MAC is not what they literally asked seconds ago, what it was |
| 00:11.59 | foxide | ratrace: This is SOP for you. |
| 00:12.06 | ratrace | but they don't know what they're talking about. they had to ask what a MAC was |
| 00:12.23 | foxide | I'm going back to building a dyson sphere. Cheers. |
| 00:12.58 | ratrace | that's fine. leave security talk to the grown ups. |
| 00:13.02 | mentor | foxide: Entirely out of unmaintainable plastic parts? |
| 00:13.09 | mentor | ratrace: Don't insult people |
| 00:13.28 | ratrace | or what |
| 00:13.35 | foxide | mentor: Entirely in pixels! Dyson Sphere Program. |
| 00:13.45 | mentor | foxide: I've not heard of that |
| 00:14.05 | foxide | Early access, but its so satisfying to watch things take shape. It's one of those resource management, automation, build stuff games. |
| 00:14.05 | mentor | ratrace: That is not a constructive way to respond to that sort of request. |
| 00:14.08 | ratrace | also, foxide, what was your angle in this? your only contribution seems to have been to bash me. *golfclap* |
| 00:14.29 | ratrace | mentor: I have a few more constructive ones, but they're against the channel rules. |
| 00:15.02 | mentor | ratrace: I suspect we might say that things against the channel rules aren't constructive |
| 00:15.48 | ratrace | maybe the sarcasm is not coming through. |
| 00:16.32 | mentor | ratrace: I realise that I may not have been the best example here, so I'm asking you to please stop |
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| 00:18.16 | ratrace | mentor: there's the /ignore button you can use |
| 00:19.13 | mentor | Reasonable advice |
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| 00:27.47 | mentor | foxide: I hadn't finished the MATN video on that; thanks for the inadvertent reminder :) |
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| 01:41.09 | cookta2012 | https://apaste.info/EWL2 any ideas? |
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| 01:42.01 | slop | Hi all <3 |
| 01:42.33 | dvs | >:-( |
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| 01:47.27 | Brigo | cookta2012, some context could help. |
| 01:47.55 | Brigo | ,v libapache2-mod-php7.4 |
| 01:47.58 | judd | Package: libapache2-mod-php7.4 on amd64 -- bullseye: 7.4.15-1; sid: 7.4.15-3 |
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| 01:49.21 | cookta2012 | I upgraded apache from 2.4.38 to 2.4.46 uninstalled apache and reinstalled it. apache is working but php will not reinstall i have evenpurged it |
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| 01:49.40 | cookta2012 | the upgrade was a uninstall and reinstall |
| 01:50.59 | Brigo | cookta2012, debian stable? all packages from debian stable? |
| 01:51.24 | cookta2012 | all except the apache2 is from backports |
| 01:51.41 | cookta2012 | buster backports |
| 01:51.49 | jmcnaught | php is 7.3 in buster |
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| 01:52.03 | cookta2012 | gimme a minute to try to reinstall that |
| 01:52.17 | Brigo | i don't see libapache2-mod-php7.4 in buster |
| 01:52.29 | jmcnaught | Wherever you are getting php7.4 from, it might not be compiled for the apache2 from buster-backports. |
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| 01:53.35 | Brigo | jmcnaught, so it would be posible get the sources and compile it with apt source, then? |
| 01:54.19 | jmcnaught | If both apache2 from buster-backports and php7.4 are necessary then I would try using php-fpm instead of mod_php |
| 01:54.29 | jmcnaught | I would do that anyways actually. |
| 01:54.48 | cookta2012 | I can use 7.3 |
| 01:55.04 | cookta2012 | it is doing the exact same thing |
| 01:55.10 | cookta2012 | here is a new paste |
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| 01:55.26 | cookta2012 | https://apaste.info/Bzsi |
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| 01:56.04 | Brigo | ,v libapache2-mod-php7.3 |
| 01:56.06 | judd | Package: libapache2-mod-php7.3 on amd64 -- buster: 7.3.19-1~deb10u1; buster-security: 7.3.19-1~deb10u1 |
| 01:57.03 | cookta2012 | so if im reading right it is trying to install a too new php? |
| 01:57.20 | cookta2012 | 7.3.27-2+0~20210213.78+debian10~1.gbpc9cf23 |
| 01:57.25 | jmcnaught | cookta2012: You do not appear to be using Debian's php packages for 7.3 either. Wherever you get php from for buster it will be compiled against buster's apache2 which is 2.4.38-3+deb10u4. |
| 01:57.48 | Brigo | ,v apache2 |
| 01:57.50 | judd | Package: apache2 on amd64 -- jessie: 2.4.10-10+deb8u12; jessie-security: 2.4.10-10+deb8u16; stretch: 2.4.25-3+deb9u9; stretch-security: 2.4.25-3+deb9u9; buster: 2.4.38-3+deb10u4; buster-security: 2.4.38-3+deb10u4; stretch-backports-sloppy: 2.4.43-1~bpo9+1; buster-backports: 2.4.46-4~bpo10+1; bullseye: 2.4.46-4; sid: 2.4.46-4 |
| 01:58.00 | SponiX | cookta2012: run this in terminal and post the provided LINK here (not the wall of text): inxi -Fxxxrzc0 | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 01:58.04 | sney | that version string looks like a deb.sury.org joint. |
| 01:58.22 | Brigo | jmcnaught, he istalled buster-backport's apache2 |
| 01:58.30 | SponiX | jmcnaught: He is likely drawing in from a dozen off the wall sources |
| 01:58.41 | cookta2012 | no... |
| 01:58.47 | cookta2012 | one moment |
| 01:59.18 | jmcnaught | I would not expect a libapache2-mod-php7.x package compiled for buster to work with the apache2 in buster-backports. |
| 01:59.46 | cookta2012 | https://apaste.info/EFcE |
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| 02:01.23 | Brigo | i have to go. Fare well! :) |
| 02:01.38 | SponiX | jmcnaught: I've been debating doing my apache2 from backports for a long while now. Glad I decided to keep it and its php on stable to avoid these issues :) |
| 02:01.50 | cookta2012 | https://termbin.com/6ad2 |
| 02:02.18 | cookta2012 | well i had to have the newest apache for the acme v2 |
| 02:02.25 | cookta2012 | in mod_md |
| 02:02.43 | cookta2012 | didn't want to pull my hair out with compiling it from scratch |
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| 02:03.23 | jmcnaught | SponiX: I do not think this same problem would happen using php-fpm instead of libapache2-mod-php |
| 02:03.28 | SponiX | cookta2012: I am surprised to see you on 4.19 with EPYC... Support for that would likely be better in a newer kernel ( from backports ) |
| 02:04.05 | SponiX | jmcnaught: I am configured for php-fpm right now, and you have a good point - It would likely be fine that way, not to mention its said to have performance benefits |
| 02:04.08 | mentor | cookta2012: debug the postinst script? |
| 02:04.27 | SponiX | I didn't know they made an EPYC chip with 6-cores |
| 02:04.43 | cookta2012 | hahahaha. it is a vps |
| 02:05.18 | cookta2012 | mentor frankly i am not sure how to :( |
| 02:06.53 | SponiX | cookta2012: jmcnaught made a good point, you might looking at moving to php-fpm instead if it covers your needs. performance should be better with that anyway |
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| 02:08.29 | SponiX | cookta2012: I found guides on doing that by just searching: Optimizing apache with php |
| 02:09.19 | mentor | cookta2012: I'm afraid it's a little kludgy; You can edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/libapache2-mod-php7.3.postinst and (if it is a shell script) you can add a -x to the hashbang at line 1. Then have apt try to set the package up again. |
| 02:09.48 | cookta2012 | gimme a sec mentor |
| 02:10.10 | mentor | cookta2012: The shell debug output is a little confusing too |
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| 02:14.16 | cookta2012 | https://termbin.com/4cjd |
| 02:14.24 | cookta2012 | lol |
| 02:16.46 | cookta2012 | here is the output https://termbin.com/22a4 |
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| 02:18.42 | cookta2012 | mentor you make heads or tails of that output. im scratching my hea |
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| 02:28.13 | mentor | cookta2012: Well, it appears to be failing when running a2enmod; that's a command to add the specified module to the local apache config. |
| 02:29.15 | cookta2012 | any ideas? if not im gonna go try to setup the fwhatever handler |
| 02:29.37 | cookta2012 | fastcgi |
| 02:30.11 | mentor | I would try running the command without the q and m switches and see what it says |
| 02:30.56 | cookta2012 | there is no module there to load |
| 02:31.01 | cookta2012 | I have checked |
| 02:31.36 | cookta2012 | its like php is not putting the needed load file there |
| 02:32.49 | mentor | the mod config files are part of that package |
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| 02:34.25 | cookta2012 | it is not there gimme a moment |
| 02:35.18 | mentor | Errrr, possibly the package isn't putting them back as they're config files |
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| 02:36.18 | cookta2012 | more than likely I installed php7.3-fpm now it is working |
| 02:36.31 | cookta2012 | thank you all for all the help |
| 02:38.21 | mentor | No problem, for what it was worth |
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| 08:16.48 | engys | hi everybody |
| 08:17.00 | budlight | hi |
| 08:17.36 | engys | I know sending a fax is not that common anymore |
| 08:18.17 | SanchoPensa | good morning, guys! |
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| 08:18.38 | engys | I have a hard time to send pdf files with hylafax on buster |
| 08:18.50 | SanchoPensa | I have a very pekuliar issue here: |
| 08:19.19 | SanchoPensa | I was tinkering with my /boot partition the other day, because it ALWAYS runs out of space at each single kernel update |
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| 08:19.42 | SanchoPensa | but I haven't managed to increase it so far, since I ran into a few issues with debian live stick. |
| 08:20.00 | SanchoPensa | now I just looked into the /boot partition and two things came to mind: |
| 08:20.12 | engys | whenever I try to sendfax a pdf file the hylafax server syslog come up with format_failed |
| 08:20.14 | SanchoPensa | there is no older kernel version in there any longer. |
| 08:20.41 | SanchoPensa | kernel version 4.19.0.13 is GONE. |
| 08:21.06 | engys | using sendfax with ps files working fine |
| 08:21.30 | SanchoPensa | and not only that, but there is NOTHING in /boot any longer except for initrd.img-4.19.0-14-rt-amd64 |
| 08:21.51 | SanchoPensa | now, shouldn't there be at least TWO files in there for debian to boot properly? |
| 08:22.02 | SanchoPensa | where have those files gone? |
| 08:22.14 | SanchoPensa | how do I get them back? |
| 08:22.25 | SanchoPensa | I just did a dist-upgrade but to no awail... |
| 08:22.34 | SanchoPensa | I don't even dare reboot... |
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| 08:24.57 | SanchoPensa | and the second thing is: /boot was a partition of it's own. |
| 08:25.15 | SanchoPensa | now, all of a sudden, Debian says, /boot ist mounted on / |
| 08:25.28 | SanchoPensa | what the heck is going on, please? |
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| 08:25.29 | Taserface | engys: use pdftops on the file and send that |
| 08:25.32 | Taserface | I think it's pdftops |
| 08:25.48 | Taserface | it's in poppler-utils |
| 08:26.23 | engys | Taserface: thank you! I will try that |
| 08:26.56 | Taserface | also, the 90s called, etc |
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| 08:29.49 | engys | Taserface: it look like pdftops converting pdf to ps |
| 08:29.58 | engys | that is not what I need to do |
| 08:30.22 | engys | I need to use pdf files as input on the hylafax server |
| 08:32.34 | engys | hylafax has a configuration file for that you can found under /etc/hylafax/typerules |
| 08:33.11 | jelly | SanchoPensa, sounds like your /boot merely is not mounted |
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| 08:33.52 | SanchoPensa | jelly: and you are right, it wasnt |
| 08:33.59 | SanchoPensa | geeez. |
| 08:34.22 | jelly | SanchoPensa, umount it again, remove that file, mount it, rebuild that initrd if needed |
| 08:34.36 | SanchoPensa | jelly: that update of the kernel ended with an error most likely, since I was out of space |
| 08:34.55 | SanchoPensa | how do I rebuild the initrd? I remember, there was a command for that... :D |
| 08:35.00 | jelly | update-initramfs |
| 08:35.04 | SanchoPensa | ah! |
| 08:35.10 | SanchoPensa | right, thanks! |
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| 08:37.58 | SanchoPensa | jelly: now here's another thing, that I totally don't get: |
| 08:38.17 | engys | this typerules say: HylaFax now has server-side PDF conversion, so no need for pdf2ps .. but even if you configure pdf2ps syslog display format_failed |
| 08:38.25 | SanchoPensa | that /boot partitin would appear to have 235 MB, which is ridiculously small. |
| 08:39.02 | SanchoPensa | but then I have a rt kernel version with 60MB, one regular one with 59MB in there, and the usual files |
| 08:39.12 | Taserface | engys: you know more than me then :) |
| 08:39.14 | SanchoPensa | all of which don't even add up to 150MB |
| 08:39.28 | SanchoPensa | Where on earth are the other 85MB? |
| 08:39.34 | Taserface | engys: I just figured, if you have PDF and it wants ps, you can convert it before sending |
| 08:39.52 | Taserface | maybe you need to install pdf2ps or something |
| 08:40.11 | jelly | SanchoPensa, du /boot says what? |
| 08:40.28 | jelly | sorry, du -x /boot |
| 08:40.59 | engys | Taserface: it is part of ghostscript which gets automatically installed with hylafax as dependency |
| 08:41.23 | SanchoPensa | jelly: du -x says exactly the same as du and that is: 152045/boot |
| 08:42.04 | SanchoPensa | jelly: gparted says the partition has 243MB |
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| 08:43.04 | SanchoPensa | and pcmanfm says Free space 12MiB (Total: 235MiB) |
| 08:43.18 | SanchoPensa | something literally does not add up here. At all. |
| 08:44.02 | jelly | is there anything mounted below /boot, like /boot/efi |
| 08:44.17 | SanchoPensa | jelly: mount says no. |
| 08:44.49 | jelly | then maybe (but not likely) |
| 08:44.54 | jelly | !list deleted files |
| 08:44.55 | dpkg | hmm... list deleted files is to list open file handles for deleted files run as root: lsof -n +L1 |
| 08:45.52 | jelly | files on linux do not get actually deleted until all processes close them |
| 08:47.04 | SanchoPensa | jelly: yes, I am aware of that, thanks, and lsof as a matter of fact returns a gazillion of open firefox files, but not a single one from /boot |
| 08:47.34 | SanchoPensa | jelly: it also returns a handful of "speech-dispatcher" files, what on earth is that?? |
| 08:48.04 | SanchoPensa | sd_dummy 7514 me 3w REG 0,49 5 0 198390 /run/user/1000/speech-dispatcher/pid/speech-dispatcher.pid (deleted) |
| 08:48.34 | SanchoPensa | this is getting more interesting by the minute... :D |
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| 08:49.41 | Taserface | check the /boot fs? |
| 08:51.17 | engys | Taserface: and the reason I am not able to convert files to ps before sending them to the hylafax server is because I am using already existing software that rely on this server side pdf conversion |
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| 08:53.25 | Taserface | will it accept other pdf files? |
| 08:53.36 | Taserface | might be something about that one pdf file |
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| 08:56.34 | engys | Taserface: no not on debian buster -> but I have an old server based on a modified debian woody installation that is able to do this conversion |
| 08:56.53 | SanchoPensa | oh. Text to speech |
| 08:57.14 | SanchoPensa | oh boy... |
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| 08:58.23 | Taserface | um, if you use pdf2ps on your file and then try to open it on your desktop, what happens? |
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| 09:02.59 | engys | Taserface: that works fine and also sending ps files to the hylafax server works fine but using server side pdf conversion to ps totally fail |
| 09:04.21 | Taserface | well I am out of ideas |
| 09:04.28 | Taserface | submit a bug report to hylafax |
| 09:04.37 | Taserface | and hope the maintainer is still alive |
| 09:05.23 | Taserface | oh, check that it doesn't accept other PDF documents first |
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| 09:07.38 | engys | Taserface: already tested alot of pdf files from oldest to newest .. ok I will bring this to the hylafax mailing list |
| 09:08.16 | engys | Taserface: thanks for patience |
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| 09:14.32 | bumbar | need to backup a few servers, which will be shut down. i was thinking of doing scp of all files, so if needed to spin back up, files can just be copied easily (there's tons of configuration files, not everything on git/docker). there's some directories i could skip right? /proc and such? |
| 09:17.46 | aminvakil | bumbar: take a look at this: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/158493/what-should-i-include-and-exclude-with-rsync-to-back-up-my-system |
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| 09:19.34 | aminvakil | i would backup /etc, /home and /root, also output of apt list --installed |
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| 09:23.15 | ratrace | bumbar: if you need to spin it back up, rsync everything. /proc and other mount points are automatically skippable with -x , so warning, _all_ mountpoints are skippable, so eg. if /boot is separate, don't forget to rsync it separately |
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| 09:24.05 | aminvakil | also https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Rsync#Full_system_backup |
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| 10:52.40 | zenix_2k2 | question, i currently have a wireless USB wifi adapter of Tenda and it's a U1 model, so i am trying to install its driver on my Debian machine but no use, for some reason it can't be installed, i tried to run the ./install.sh here https://www.tendacn.com/en/product/download/u1.html |
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| 10:52.50 | zenix_2k2 | anyone here has used it before ? i would like to know how to install it |
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| 10:54.45 | ratrace | zenix_2k2: you shouldn't install random software like that, outside of a package manager. |
| 10:55.03 | ratrace | also that seems to be a driver for kernel 2.6.18 and that's not going to work unless you have 2.6.18 and you don't. |
| 10:55.42 | ratrace | chances are your hardware already has the necessary drivers in the kernel. when you plug in the pc side of wireless thing, do you see anything in dmesg? |
| 10:56.35 | zenix_2k2 | ratrace: well yes, something like this https://hatebin.com/pnzjdhcmmv |
| 10:56.41 | zenix_2k2 | and it kina detects wifi as well |
| 10:56.47 | zenix_2k2 | but the main reason is i can't connect to any network |
| 10:56.48 | jelly | zenix_2k2, show the output of lsusb for that card. |
| 10:57.03 | zenix_2k2 | it just keep pending on "Connecting" then result in "Connection failed" |
| 10:57.06 | zenix_2k2 | and retrying it all over again |
| 10:57.09 | jelly | [30706.524119] usb 1-11.3: rtl8xxxu: Loading firmware rtlwifi/rtl8192eu_nic.bin |
| 10:57.09 | jelly | [30706.688565] usb 1-11.3: firmware: direct-loading firmware rtlwifi/rtl8192eu_nic.bin |
| 10:57.24 | zenix_2k2 | jelly: https://hatebin.com/yjhtqfasfn |
| 10:57.44 | zenix_2k2 | Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8192EU 802.11b/g/n WLAN Adapter |
| 10:57.47 | zenix_2k2 | i think that is the one |
| 10:57.53 | jelly | so you already have _some_ firmware |
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| 10:58.08 | zenix_2k2 | well yes but my wifi card doesn't interact with my system correctly the way it is used on Windows |
| 10:58.16 | zenix_2k2 | it just keep "Connecting" then "Connection failed" |
| 10:58.23 | zenix_2k2 | and then it keep retrying that endlessly |
| 10:58.42 | ratrace | zenix_2k2: is that with the network manager? |
| 10:58.47 | zenix_2k2 | yes |
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| 10:59.00 | zenix_2k2 | right now, it's currently "Wifi Not Connected" |
| 10:59.21 | ratrace | so that thing can be flakey, and you should try using wpa_supplicant correctly to see if that lowest level at least works. |
| 10:59.55 | ratrace | seems like same thing is happening over and over to different people in the past few days |
| 11:00.07 | zenix_2k2 | well i was here previously or in #linux, idk and they told me to install a package then it just works perfectly at the network manager |
| 11:00.12 | ratrace | %s/correctly/directly/ |
| 11:00.16 | zenix_2k2 | but i kinda reinstalled hexchat so, i lost those message |
| 11:01.08 | ratrace | the only package to install on debian, is either firmware, or a dkms driver if the driver is out of tree. but according to your dmesg output, you have the driver and firmware already |
| 11:01.19 | ratrace | guessing firmware-realtek is installed? |
| 11:01.34 | zenix_2k2 | oh nope, it's not |
| 11:01.37 | zenix_2k2 | i am installing it now |
| 11:02.09 | ratrace | hold on. then how are you having the firwmare.... |
| 11:02.21 | zenix_2k2 | i have no idea, it's just there when i installed the dsitro |
| 11:02.29 | ratrace | which distro |
| 11:02.36 | zenix_2k2 | well don't judge me, it's Kali |
| 11:02.39 | ratrace | lol |
| 11:02.55 | zenix_2k2 | yea i guess that's bad |
| 11:02.57 | ratrace | well see THIS is why we refuse to support that |
| 11:03.07 | shtrb | !kali |
| 11:03.07 | dpkg | Kali Linux https://www.kali.org/ is a security/penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is different enough that we can't provide accurate support in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or https://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian> and read https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html |
| 11:03.46 | ratrace | zenix_2k2: you can easily fix this problem |
| 11:04.08 | zenix_2k2 | well yes, i am trying to |
| 11:04.20 | zenix_2k2 | i am getting the required packages to be installed |
| 11:04.22 | ratrace | right, so install DEbian. |
| 11:04.36 | zenix_2k2 | i had Ubuntu in my other partition |
| 11:04.41 | zenix_2k2 | which is similar to it |
| 11:04.48 | shtrb | lol |
| 11:04.50 | ratrace | the only solution here is to backup data, remove Kali and install Debian. |
| 11:05.04 | Mister00X | kali != ubuntu != debian |
| 11:05.04 | shtrb | zenix_2k2, Kali is closer to debian than ubuntu is |
| 11:05.07 | zenix_2k2 | dude, i am doing security-related stuffs |
| 11:05.12 | ratrace | dude we don't care |
| 11:05.22 | zenix_2k2 | you do care, that's why u have been telling me to |
| 11:05.30 | shtrb | zenix_2k2, and I bake french bread still isn't debian |
| 11:05.32 | ratrace | yes I care if you run Debian :) so install it |
| 11:05.48 | zenix_2k2 | VM is always an option |
| 11:06.19 | shtrb | Is it normal that libvirt managed vm would be owned by root and not by libvirt user ? |
| 11:06.52 | Mister00X | shtrb: from my experience yes |
| 11:06.53 | zenix_2k2 | also what's up with Kali and its preinstalled driver that make you feel weird ? |
| 11:06.53 | ratrace | ideally it should run as the libvirt user yes |
| 11:07.05 | zenix_2k2 | also, people in #linux advised me to go here so i just do it |
| 11:07.10 | ratrace | zenix_2k2: read the factoid above, it explains everything |
| 11:07.15 | shtrb | ratrace, I'm asking about file ownership , I thought maybe I ruined something |
| 11:07.17 | ratrace | and we're advising you to go to #kali |
| 11:07.45 | ratrace | shtrb: which files, the disk images? |
| 11:07.47 | zenix_2k2 | well ok then |
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| 11:08.07 | shtrb | ratrace, yes |
| 11:08.23 | Mister00X | shtrb: on my sytem they are owned by libvirt-qemu |
| 11:08.25 | ratrace | shtrb: I'm not sure actually. how are they set up, with virt-manager? |
| 11:08.52 | shtrb | ratrace, yes |
| 11:09.10 | ratrace | yeah they should be owned by the libvirt user which is also the user the VM should run as |
| 11:09.23 | shtrb | ok , so I ruined something then , thank you |
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| 11:10.13 | Mister00X | shtrb: of course this does not apply if you added your user to the libvirt-quemu group |
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| 11:10.29 | Mister00X | ignore the typo please |
| 11:10.41 | shtrb | Mister00X, oh but I am a member of that group, I still didn't expect files to be owned by root |
| 11:11.04 | shtrb | no , sorry , I'm wrong , I'm not a member of librt-qemu group |
| 11:11.08 | ratrace | with virt-manager, I don't think you need to do that. the root-run daemon process should manage all the things |
| 11:11.28 | shtrb | going to check how he could screw virt-manager up |
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| 11:11.29 | ratrace | I guess it's possible you ran some libvirt related cli (virsh maybe?) with sudo |
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| 11:12.17 | shtrb | Oh , I trully hope I didn't do that, but that could have happened when I was working on the network config and it was late |
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| 11:49.33 | gedia | Hello all, after a clean install of current testing, network interface names reverted to legacy naming (eth0 etc) despite net.ifnames=1 being explicitly set in cmdline |
| 11:49.35 | gedia | any ideas as to why? |
| 11:49.44 | gedia | driver is bnx2x |
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| 11:53.46 | lupulo | gedia, i think is something about /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 11:54.23 | gedia | checked that, it's not there |
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| 11:56.29 | lupulo | perhaps it has changed. |
| 11:56.38 | lupulo | no idea sorry |
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| 11:57.55 | lupulo | man udev, RULES FILES should be the real location |
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| 12:04.01 | gedia | indeed, there's some predefined rules under /lib/udev/rules.d, but nothing that would seem to enforce legacy naming for network devices :( |
| 12:04.07 | ratrace | gedia: that doesn't sound right for default installation. there are several possibilities. net.ifnames as you mention (and are you sure that's set by grub? maybe it's in /etc/default/grub but grub was never updated?); then names could change in interfaces(5), or a networkd .link |
| 12:04.40 | ratrace | also: |
| 12:04.43 | ratrace | !debian-next |
| 12:04.43 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
| 12:05.04 | gedia | I actually added net.ifnames in an attempt to restore persistent naming, it wasn't there before. Now it is, and I'm checking /proc/cmdline, not configuration lines |
| 12:05.38 | gedia | Thanks, I'll try next, I wasn't aware of its existence |
| 12:05.52 | gedia | Oh, it's invite-only |
| 12:06.00 | ratrace | carefully read the factoid, especially the bolded parts. |
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| 12:06.54 | gedia | (blush emoji here) |
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| 12:34.17 | AckSyncAck | hello, can you help me with connecting media device to qemu-kvm on debian? |
| 12:34.23 | AckSyncAck | please |
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| 12:34.47 | AckSyncAck | I am getting redirection error |
| 12:34.57 | AckSyncAck | I connected the device as usb host in virtmanager |
| 12:35.01 | ratrace | AckSyncAck: pastebin the command you're using, please |
| 12:35.06 | AckSyncAck | ratrace sure |
| 12:35.09 | AckSyncAck | oh |
| 12:35.11 | ratrace | holdon... virt manager or qemu-kvm? |
| 12:35.40 | AckSyncAck | I am using qemu-kvm, but havent tried connecting via terminal, but via virt-manager instead |
| 12:35.45 | ratrace | I mean... virt manager is using qemu-kvm in the background, but I assumed you meant you were using qemu-kvm directly |
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| 12:35.58 | AckSyncAck | no. I am using virt-manager |
| 12:36.56 | ratrace | yeah sorry, not sure I can help you with virt-manager UI, I'm only using the command line qemu-kvm tools |
| 12:37.01 | AckSyncAck | the error is: LIBUSB_ERROR_NOT_FOUND(0) |
| 12:37.07 | AckSyncAck | (USB redirection error) |
| 12:37.12 | ratrace | but anyway, post the entire process you're doing and errors you're getting, someone might know |
| 12:37.54 | AckSyncAck | I added the device as "USB Host Device" via "add hardware" on virtmanager interface. |
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| 12:38.28 | AckSyncAck | then I tried redirection via "Redirect USB Device" in the virt-manager menu. |
| 12:38.36 | AckSyncAck | and got the above error |
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| 12:40.20 | ratrace | AckSyncAck: did you try any of the solutions when you google for "virt-manager LIBUSB_ERROR_NOT_FOUND" ? |
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| 12:47.23 | AckSyncAck | ratrace, there is barely a solution provided in these posts |
| 12:48.09 | ratrace | AckSyncAck: which device is it, btw? |
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| 12:49.48 | Taserface | is there a fediverse equivalent to vrchat? |
| 12:52.59 | AckSyncAck | ratrace, not a well-known one |
| 12:53.34 | AckSyncAck | the error: https://paste.pics/BM7MK |
| 12:56.58 | ratrace | srsly, you have to censor the device name? |
| 12:57.24 | AckSyncAck | I wouldnt call it "censor", but yes, I omitted it |
| 12:57.43 | AckSyncAck | it shouldnt matter, should it? |
| 12:58.34 | ratrace | you don't know that |
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| 13:27.24 | ychaouche | hello #debian |
| 13:27.32 | velix | Hi there. I want to relay mails on my VPS to the SMTP of another server using exim4. Can anyone guide me through this? I'd donate of course. |
| 13:28.17 | ychaouche | this is strange, I am installing debian 10.2 as a vm, I didn't configure the network yet and the current step of the installation wizard asks if I would like to configure a mirror. |
| 13:28.26 | ychaouche | Of course I said yes and it can't reach the mirror. |
| 13:32.18 | azeem | why did you say yes if you did not configure the network? |
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| 13:32.27 | azeem | and/or what is your question? |
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| 13:35.13 | ychaouche | I have no question your honour |
| 13:35.32 | ychaouche | azeem, because I want to use a mirror |
| 13:35.49 | ychaouche | the wizard should have invited me to do so before asking me to use a mirror |
| 13:36.00 | ychaouche | do so = configure the network |
| 13:36.05 | ratrace | ychaouche: perhaps you can file a bug report |
| 13:36.18 | ychaouche | if this is relevant |
| 13:36.36 | ychaouche | it doesn't seem to attract any special attention |
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| 13:43.32 | ratrace | ychaouche: btw, which ISO are you using? |
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| 13:47.36 | jelly | also, 10.2 is old, there's a theoretical possibility some things got fixed in the meantime |
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| 13:55.30 | ychaouche | ratrace, 10.2 |
| 13:55.44 | ratrace | ychaouche: but which ISO |
| 13:55.56 | ychaouche | oh sorry didn't understand that |
| 13:55.59 | ratrace | netinst, dvd, cd, firmware, fooware, ubuntu, ... |
| 13:56.19 | ychaouche | I have no idea found it on the ESXi store, put there by someone else |
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| 13:57.33 | ratrace | well then.... that's a problem |
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| 13:57.39 | ychaouche | name file is : debian-10.2.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso |
| 13:58.28 | ratrace | also.... wait..... you installed something you found somewhere online put there buy someone? |
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| 13:59.34 | ychaouche | someone = colleague in a corporate setting |
| 13:59.45 | ychaouche | and online = our ESXi server |
| 13:59.54 | ratrace | I see |
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| 14:03.21 | ychaouche | oh, no more dhclient ? |
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| 14:04.30 | ratrace | ychaouche: what do you mean? |
| 14:04.58 | ychaouche | I was to using the dhclient command to get a new IP when changing networks |
| 14:05.05 | ychaouche | used to* |
| 14:05.16 | ratrace | you can still use it. check if isc-dhcp-client package is installed |
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| 14:06.08 | ratrace | and that package is "important" so it probably IS installed, and you're probably having the !buster su issue |
| 14:06.44 | themill | or you've forgotten it's in /sbin |
| 14:07.27 | ychaouche | it is installed according to dpkg -s |
| 14:07.47 | ychaouche | oh, /sbin/ isn't in the PATH |
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| 14:07.52 | ratrace | !buster su |
| 14:07.52 | dpkg | In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
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| 14:08.33 | ychaouche | oh |
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| 14:11.23 | ratrace | ychaouche: btw, I just checked the netinst's installer, it definitely sets up network early in the process and the mirror is asked for much later |
| 14:11.43 | ratrace | I believe it's the same installer as on the DVD1. could be you missed it? skipped it? |
| 14:14.16 | ychaouche | it could've been, I have to check on a fresh install |
| 14:14.23 | ychaouche | and concentrate this time |
| 14:14.48 | ychaouche | I wonder if it happens before or after disk partitionning |
| 14:14.57 | ratrace | before |
| 14:15.13 | ratrace | it autodetects and tries dhcp, and if that passes, it won't ask you anything so it's easy to miss |
| 14:15.59 | ratrace | and since that's a VM, and the DVD iso, it's possible the hardware is detected, dhcp working (because it's hypervisor's), but network failing outside of the VM, on the host side maybe |
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| 14:18.26 | ychaouche | I was on the wrong VLAN that didn't have internet access |
| 14:19.05 | ychaouche | case dismissed |
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| 14:21.03 | ozzz | Dear Debian cummunity, firmware iwlwifi-8265 not works at all |
| 14:21.20 | ozzz | Sometimes I'm able to connect to AP |
| 14:21.34 | ratrace | ozzz: define "not works"; are there associated errors in the logs? |
| 14:21.41 | ozzz | disconnects |
| 14:21.50 | ozzz | not connects - authentication error |
| 14:22.00 | ratrace | so the problem could be driver, something else, and not specifically the firmware? |
| 14:22.20 | ozzz | that's is my question |
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| 14:22.42 | ozzz | I don't really know how wifi really works |
| 14:22.46 | ratrace | there was no question, just a statement |
| 14:23.19 | ozzz | ok. now seems I explained the problem |
| 14:23.20 | ratrace | ozzz: there would be a lot of various related log messages, from the kernel about the module and firmware, and wpasupplicant for actual wifi operations |
| 14:23.55 | ratrace | is that onboard chip, or an usb dongle? |
| 14:24.18 | ozzz | maybe some pci board inside laptop |
| 14:24.51 | ozzz | it's elitebook HP hs-ni13c |
| 14:25.37 | ratrace | can you pastebin journalctl -b | grep -i wpa_supplicant |
| 14:26.27 | ozzz | no output |
| 14:26.49 | ozzz | I will tru to connect and will check logs again |
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| 14:26.59 | ratrace | ozzz: is that debian? with systemd? |
| 14:27.16 | ozzz | buster 10 |
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| 14:27.49 | ozzz | yes, with systemd |
| 14:27.54 | ratrace | how about grep wpa_supplicant /var/log/syslog ? |
| 14:28.12 | ratrace | this assumes you last used it TODAY, otherwise rotated logs would have to be consulted |
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| 14:29.14 | ratrace | oh holdon.... is wpa_supplicant even used for iwlwifi |
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| 14:29.45 | ozzz | yes, seems it is used |
| 14:29.52 | ozzz | I will upload now to pastebin |
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| 14:32.12 | ozzz | ratrace, https://pastebin.com/xTH4U5Yh |
| 14:32.23 | ozzz | that's all |
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| 14:32.47 | ozzz | I tried to connect before to ap |
| 14:32.59 | ratrace | huh... how about grep NetworkManager /var/log/syslog |
| 14:33.55 | ratrace | NM is using wpa_supl over dbus, so it's possible the log entries aren't the same |
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| 14:35.00 | ozzz | ratrace, https://pastebin.com/MdE4Bx0Z |
| 14:35.35 | ozzz | I think I know what may cause problem. It's chinese tpling with mixed mode |
| 14:36.04 | ozzz | what if I will change it explicitly to NG |
| 14:36.41 | ratrace | ozzz: does this show anything: grep -ir wlp1s0 /etc/network |
| 14:37.27 | ozzz | no |
| 14:37.34 | ozzz | no output |
| 14:38.28 | ratrace | ozzz: okay, I misread its logs about managed interfaces then. looks like ssid "daVinci" can't be found. are you sure the credentials and SSID are correct? |
| 14:38.40 | ozzz | absolutely |
| 14:38.51 | ratrace | ozzz: also please pastebin: dmesg | grep -iP "wlp1s0|firmware" |
| 14:39.30 | ozzz | https://pastebin.com/gBvA0Mdz |
| 14:39.39 | ozzz | It connects sometimes to it |
| 14:39.57 | ozzz | but after failed attempt AP dissapears from list |
| 14:40.17 | ozzz | while other devices work with it w.o. any problem |
| 14:40.21 | ratrace | I see. well the firmware is loaded, kernel module there. |
| 14:40.38 | ozzz | such issues was before too |
| 14:40.42 | ozzz | but not frequent |
| 14:40.44 | ratrace | the important clues are in the lines 98 and 99 of your previous paste |
| 14:41.29 | ozzz | yeah |
| 14:41.30 | ratrace | ozzz: how far is the AP, is it possible the signals is weak or interfered with? |
| 14:41.39 | ozzz | after last upgrade it stopped working |
| 14:42.00 | ratrace | last upgrade of what? |
| 14:42.14 | ozzz | regular system packages upgrade |
| 14:42.42 | ozzz | pkg manager warns that it was required, so I installed them |
| 14:42.55 | ozzz | I don't think that this is radio issue |
| 14:43.16 | ozzz | laptop currently placed on same desk where AP located |
| 14:43.44 | ozzz | but it works well with iphone hotspot |
| 14:43.52 | ozzz | that's strange |
| 14:44.02 | ratrace | maybe the AP is busted? |
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| 14:44.25 | ozzz | strange thing, other devices work well with it |
| 14:44.39 | ratrace | other access points? |
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| 14:44.55 | ozzz | naighbour AP are in list |
| 14:45.10 | ozzz | only mine dissapears after failed attempt |
| 14:45.35 | ratrace | NM is being "smart" and thinks the SSID is not there |
| 14:45.51 | ozzz | also, If I press airplane mode couple of times |
| 14:45.53 | ratrace | as NM can be flakey, I'd try using wpa_supplicant directly |
| 14:45.56 | ozzz | it starts working |
| 14:46.04 | ratrace | wait... press where? |
| 14:46.13 | ozzz | on the keyboard |
| 14:46.19 | ozzz | or in Wifi settings |
| 14:46.21 | ratrace | laptop's? |
| 14:46.24 | ozzz | yeah |
| 14:46.31 | ratrace | so the "turn it off and on again" fix |
| 14:46.44 | ozzz | couple of times |
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| 14:46.48 | ratrace | but important: does your laptop's wifi work with other access points normally? |
| 14:47.09 | ozzz | with iphone hotspot -yes |
| 14:47.15 | ozzz | that's strange |
| 14:47.42 | ratrace | well it's not strange, it only indicates that the issues are with the AP |
| 14:47.43 | ozzz | unfortunately I don't have other hotspots to test |
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| 14:48.07 | ozzz | ratrace, do you think it might be settings specific? |
| 14:48.18 | ozzz | I have openwrt on it |
| 14:48.35 | nobyk | pastebinit seems to be broken, is there a way you guys know to get it working? |
| 14:48.37 | ratrace | yes... maybe channel, or key mgmt scheme used |
| 14:48.53 | ratrace | nobyk: define "broken" |
| 14:48.58 | nobyk | I get the deprecation errors |
| 14:49.04 | ozzz | I swithed to G only mode |
| 14:49.24 | nobyk | and in the end it just outputs http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 14:49.49 | nobyk | Probably because of python3.7 |
| 14:50.00 | nobyk | but I'd prefer not to downgrade |
| 14:50.02 | nobyk | :[ |
| 14:50.06 | ozzz | ratrace, thanks a lot for your assistance |
| 14:50.11 | ozzz | I will try to tweak ap |
| 14:50.14 | ratrace | it outputs what? just plain "http://paste.debian.net/" with no uri ? |
| 14:50.19 | nobyk | yeah |
| 14:50.21 | ratrace | ozzz: np |
| 14:51.01 | nobyk | This is the full output: http://paste.debian.net/1185699/ |
| 14:51.07 | nobyk | if it helps |
| 14:51.11 | nobyk | (I did that one manually) |
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| 14:52.30 | ratrace | what package version and debian release is that? |
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| 14:53.05 | nobyk | debian10, and pastebinit v1.5 |
| 14:54.32 | nobyk | https://bugs.launchpad.net/pastebinit/+bug/1835262 |
| 14:54.33 | nobyk | yikes |
| 14:54.45 | ratrace | well, those are warnings, not errors. but someone already reported this, bug #959048 |
| 14:54.46 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/959048 in pastebinit (open): «pastebinit: functions are deprecated in Python 3.5»; severity: normal; opened: 2020-04-28; last modified: 2020-04-28. |
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| 14:55.17 | nobyk | sad |
| 14:55.32 | nobyk | I'm willing to settle for an alternative |
| 14:55.39 | nobyk | if you know any |
| 14:55.39 | ratrace | netcat to termbin.com 9999 |
| 14:56.14 | nobyk | I'll try that |
| 14:56.16 | jelly | nobyk, cat /etc/os-release | pastebinit -b https://paste.debian.net # works for me despite the python warning. http:// does not. |
| 14:57.34 | nobyk | hmm I can try the https |
| 14:57.52 | nobyk | termbin.com worked too so I'm set but let me test https paste.debian |
| 14:58.29 | ratrace | pastebinit's upstream looks ded |
| 14:58.42 | nobyk | it does |
| 14:58.52 | nobyk | nah same error for me |
| 14:59.00 | nobyk | just returns the http url |
| 14:59.09 | ratrace | whatever happened to wgetpaste |
| 14:59.27 | nobyk | It's very possible I've caused this issue along the way somehow |
| 14:59.45 | nobyk | I'm set with termbin, thank you guys so much |
| 15:02.00 | ratrace | nobyk: also this as yet another alternative: http://ix.io/ |
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| 15:14.12 | oxek | if only ix.io had https... |
| 15:14.15 | oxek | (maybe /s) |
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| 15:18.21 | foxide | You're posting shit for the world to read, why would you need https? :P |
| 15:19.20 | greycat | The only valid reason would be "my workplace firewall blocks regular http but I can currently use https". |
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| 15:20.09 | greycat | You're allowed to substitute "government", "internment camp", etc. for workplace. Any other reason is invalid. |
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| 15:28.44 | imMute | foxide: maybe readers don't want the world to know what they're reading? |
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| 15:29.38 | foxide | Public. Posts. |
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| 15:30.22 | greycat | It's not like you know in advance what the URL will say. You can claim with full faith and honesty that you followed that link on faith, not knowing that it contained anti-whatever propaganda. |
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| 15:31.15 | greycat | (which is why a lot of workplaces block the common paste sites) |
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| 15:35.01 | imMute | foxide: just because you don't care if government knows what you read doesn't mean nobody does |
| 15:35.44 | foxide | PUBLIC. POSTS. |
| 15:35.50 | foxide | jfc |
| 15:36.07 | imMute | why does it matter if the content is public? |
| 15:36.10 | greycat | foxide: You can't win. It's not worth engaging them. |
| 15:36.29 | greycat | They're either clinically insane, or they're doing something malicious. |
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| 15:46.18 | setuid | I've got an interesting paradox... there doesn't appear to be any way to verify the _permissions_ of files in a given package, from those specified in the .deb itself. IOW, if I install a package, and chmod 4755 a binary, there's no way to detect that change variance from what was delivered by the package. debsums, dpkg --verify, dpkg -c, dpkg -I all do not cover this gap. |
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| 15:49.13 | ratrace | setuid: you can use something like AIDE, though taht's not the same as comparing with packaged state |
| 15:52.18 | setuid | What's AIDE? Is it part of the default install? |
| 15:52.26 | ratrace | ,i aide |
| 15:52.29 | judd | Package aide (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: Advanced Intrusion Detection Environment - static binary. Version: 0.16.1-1; Size: 739.2k; Installed: 2062k; Homepage: https://aide.github.io |
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| 15:53.29 | setuid | Ok, so that's out... |
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| 16:00.10 | jhutchins | setuid: Known to have serious issues. |
| 16:01.35 | setuid | jhutchins: Looks like it's a painful, manual check across every package. You have to download each .deb, check the package contents with dpkg -L, then compare with what's on the filesystem, and flag any that don't matc. |
| 16:02.14 | ratrace | what about files created by postints steps? |
| 16:02.21 | ratrace | *post-inst |
| 16:02.46 | ratrace | and what's the end goal here really? |
| 16:03.20 | jhutchins | ,i debsums |
| 16:03.21 | judd | Package debsums (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: tool for verification of installed package files against MD5 checksums. Version: 2.2.3; Size: 48.6k; Installed: 120k; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/debsums |
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| 16:04.24 | jhutchins | Note that debsums has to be installed before it's needed. |
| 16:05.02 | ratrace | does debsums cover file modes and ownership? |
| 16:05.33 | jelly | no |
| 16:06.04 | setuid | debsums checks file _changes_, not file permission changes |
| 16:06.07 | jelly | it's not much, but it's cheap and better than nothing |
| 16:06.16 | ratrace | well that was the original question. I still thing AIDE and similar tools are the best tools for that but ... that actually depends on what the end goal really is |
| 16:06.44 | setuid | For example, setting 'setuid' bits on a file, makes it a potentially exploitable attack surface, but that would never be caught by standard debian tooling |
| 16:07.42 | greycat | says the person named setuid ;-) |
| 16:07.48 | setuid | Exactly! :D |
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| 16:08.02 | setuid | Had this nick here for going on 20 years, soooo... yeah. |
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| 16:27.50 | jhutchins | I've only seen aide cause disk space problems due to excessive logging. |
| 16:29.56 | ratrace | aide's not logging anything really. it just crawls through configured paths and stores all kinds of configured information for each file or dir. size, checksums, modes, ... I would agree however that default config is a bit excessive in the amount of bits stored, but that only affects calculations done and time needed. |
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| 17:43.41 | velix | What's the 2020 style to create a "no login" user? There are multiple ways: system user or no shell etc. |
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| 17:46.40 | greycat | What should the user be able to do? |
| 17:47.30 | greycat | If its sols purpose is to run daemons or something, then just give it a nonexistent shell and * for the password hash. |
| 17:47.34 | greycat | sole |
| 17:48.29 | jhutchins | velix: We could be more helpful if you gave us more context. |
| 17:50.05 | velix | I want to run stuff under a user, which can't be directly logged in. |
| 17:50.15 | velix | Only via su from an existing server. |
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| 17:52.34 | Poster | you may also consider the AllowGroups option in sshd_config to restrict SSH logins by membership of specific group(s) |
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| 17:53.24 | velix | greycat & Poster: Thanks, I'll try. |
| 17:53.24 | greycat | I hope "via su" is not literal. |
| 17:54.03 | greycat | If you intend to launch *interactive shells* as this user, especially using the horrible nasty su command, then you'll want to give it a real shell. |
| 17:54.19 | samba35 | i am trying to use pci-passthrought with gpu ,then thing as that as soon as i start guest my host become blank ( so it use full gpu resource ) as per specifcation of card it say it can support 3 display so how to i use other monitor to guest ? |
| 17:54.41 | velix | greycat: su - otheruser |
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| 17:54.56 | greycat | *shudder* |
| 17:54.59 | greycat | why god why |
| 17:55.03 | jhutchins | velix: If you're trying to do something like only allow SFTP, there are ways to configure that in ssh on a per-user basis. |
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| 17:55.23 | greycat | well anyway, I've been known to do that as well, although it's not a good practice, so I can't really yell at you for it |
| 17:55.51 | greycat | you will need a real shell in that case, just use a nonworking hash (* is recommended) |
| 17:56.58 | velix | okay, thanks. I#ll try this. |
| 17:57.07 | velix | greycat: Okay, how does greycat do it? |
| 17:57.15 | velix | I think "su" is older than you ;) |
| 17:57.17 | velix | Why is it bad? |
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| 17:58.37 | CrystalMath | greycat: what's wrong with su? |
| 17:58.45 | CrystalMath | it's pretty good IMO |
| 17:58.54 | ratrace | samba35: you can't pci passthrough the gpu AND use it on the host at teh same time |
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| 17:59.16 | CrystalMath | personally, in my OS i go a step further and i make changing users a kernel system call, with the password hashes in the KERNEL and sha256 computation in the KERNEL :P |
| 17:59.20 | CrystalMath | inspired by Windows NT |
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| 18:03.40 | greycat | https://jdebp.eu/FGA/dont-abuse-su-for-dropping-privileges.html |
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| 18:04.09 | greycat | Less important when you're doing stuff interactively (the massively wasteful PAM overhead is only being done at human speeds), but still. |
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| 18:05.00 | CrystalMath | strange host not found error |
| 18:05.07 | GNU\colossus | doesn't resolve for me, either |
| 18:05.14 | greycat | damn it... |
| 18:05.32 | greycat | http://jdebp.info/FGA/dont-abuse-su-for-dropping-privileges.html |
| 18:05.37 | greycat | looks like he changed his domain name |
| 18:05.42 | GNU\colossus | better :) |
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| 18:06.44 | samba35 | ok |
| 18:06.46 | samba35 | thanks |
| 18:06.52 | samba35 | ): |
| 18:07.05 | CrystalMath | hmm, well some distros don't use PAM |
| 18:07.32 | greycat | you're in #debian though |
| 18:08.07 | ratrace | wham, bam, thank you PAM! |
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| 18:09.39 | CrystalMath | i wonder why su doesn't have a switch to use the old behavior |
| 18:10.20 | CrystalMath | that is, to not fork() but just exec |
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| 18:11.12 | CrystalMath | at which point it would not matter |
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| 18:13.05 | greycat | if you're launching daemons as users-that-aren't-root then you either use systemd's native facilities for dropping privs, or you use a dedicated tool like setpriv(1). do not use su in scripts. |
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| 18:17.31 | ratrace | does this problem affect sudo as well? |
| 18:19.01 | greycat | sudo has *several* advantages over su here. (1) it doesn't require a real shell in passwd(5); (2) it doesn't require an extra layer of shell quoting; (3) it properly sets PATH unlike buster's su; (4) maybe less PAM session crap, I dunno |
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| 18:21.44 | ratrace | unless invoked with -i I suppose, guess that would involve pam too |
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| 18:27.59 | JordiGH | Come to the debian init debate, part 6 today, they're talking about the constitution and condorcet voting: https://www.twitch.tv/hay__ |
| 18:28.17 | foxide | debian uses systemd, debate over, thanks for your time |
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| 18:28.55 | JordiGH | foxide: It's historical and it's interesting and very educational. I have learned a lot. |
| 18:29.03 | JordiGH | But thanks for your negativity and refusal to learn. |
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| 18:30.33 | foxide | And what, pray tell, do you think I haven't learned, hm? |
| 18:30.37 | n4dir | that refusal to learn equation really doesn't make that much sense, no matter how often repeated. |
| 18:30.52 | JordiGH | Whatever. |
| 18:30.59 | foxide | Ah, a wonderfully cogent response. |
| 18:31.49 | foxide | Its an incredibly tired topic, done to death, and it comes down to facile philosophical arguments versus technical merit. |
| 18:32.00 | JordiGH | Yeah, sure, whatever. |
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| 18:34.22 | foxide | For someone advertising a debate, your debate skills are... underwhelming. |
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| 18:35.16 | JordiGH | I repeat: whatever. |
| 18:35.40 | greycat | having watched a few minutes of this thing the other week, and assuming this one is similar, it's an animated Twitch-stream version of some historical Debian debate presented in the form of a video game scene |
| 18:35.55 | ratrace | what I find way more amusing here is that someone wasted ALL that time to convert mailing list posts into ...... anime-like cartoon, with voiceovers. |
| 18:36.08 | ratrace | holy effing cow there's thousands of euros worht of work there! |
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| 19:50.30 | hendursaga | Anyone got a tip to quickly determine the names of development packages? I'm trying to compile Emacs from source and I'm not sure of a package to install for ImageMagick support |
| 19:50.52 | greycat | "apt-get build-dep emacs" might be a good starting point |
| 19:51.47 | greycat | otherwise, I would typically start with something like "apt-cache search --names-only lib image magick dev" and whittle it down from there |
| 19:52.07 | hendursaga | That's the command I was trying to remember! |
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| 20:21.53 | teclo- | evening, is there a Debian application to choose emoji's and cut-and-paste them ? |
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| 20:24.21 | greycat | you could open a web page that has some on it |
| 20:27.59 | n4dir | iirc pidgin has/uses emojis, but installing it if all is needed is a copy and paste .... not so convincing |
| 20:30.08 | greycat | you could just copy some into a text file, and cat it in a terminal whenever you want to grab one |
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| 20:33.12 | sney | gucharmap can do it, since emoji are just unicode characters anyway. |
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| 21:09.19 | teclo- | thank you |
| 21:10.26 | teclo- | well I installed gucharmap, it works very well, but it only has 80 emojis |
| 21:10.30 | teclo- | so I used a web page |
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| 22:18.54 | urk | I am unable to boot from a memory stick in the new Dell laptop I bought, and also unable to run updates from Win 10. The laptop's processor started throttling, and after 30 minutes I decided to shut it off, and reboot to prevent the hardware from being damaged. I would like to attempt to do a network install of Debian LInux stable from a link, |
| 22:18.55 | urk | Version 10.8.0, and wondering if anyone can offer some guidance on this? Also, I have verified that my boot sticks are good. They are detected in Win 10, and mounted immediately when I plugged them into a 20 year old laptop with Linuxmint Ubuntu running Sarah. I tried multiple memory sticks, and got the same result with all of them so the |
| 22:18.55 | urk | problem doesn't appear to be merely a compatibility issue. Potentially a bios update might be the only thing I need, but who would know with the mess I got. |
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| 22:24.09 | freem | urk: first of all, are you sure your win10 computer supports booting from an usb stick? Some BIOSes didn't support it, and UEFIs might have settings to prevent it, which means: are you sure your computer runs a BIOS or a UEFI? (those are different types of firmwares). |
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| 22:25.41 | urk | I booted into the bios with F12, and there was an option for adjusting the boot sequence, but it didn't detect my memory stick. Also, there is a checkbox for UEFI network. I unchecked the setting for "boot windows". |
| 22:25.47 | sney | also make sure windows was properly shut all the way down, with fast boot caching stuff disabled, as that can break booting from external sources |
| 22:26.04 | freem | if your system runs a BIOS, then support for network booting, aka PXE, is random. If it's UEFI, I believe it's standard, but it's not really how a beginner should install a system: it requires the admin to be able to setup a bootp/dhcp server and an http/ftp/tftp server minimum |
| 22:26.53 | notahackerlol | also make sure legacy support is enabled |
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| 22:27.15 | Moe1822 | hello everyone. I have a setup with a ro root fs, and a tmpfs /tmp directory. My /etc/network/interfaces file is symlinked to /tmp/interfaces |
| 22:27.16 | Moe1822 | At boot time, right after systemd local-fs-pre.target and tmp.mount, I run a .service unit which creates a sym link in the /tmp directory. I know this works because the interfaces come up correctly. However, by the time I can login, the symlink in /tmp is nowhere to be found. |
| 22:27.17 | Moe1822 | How could I troubleshoot this and figure out when that link is being deleted? |
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| 22:27.19 | sney | debian 10 supports uefi in most cases, using legacy or csm should be considered a last resort |
| 22:27.27 | urk | notahackerlol> I'm on a Dell XPS 15 7590 so not sure there even is a legacy support option. |
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| 22:28.50 | freem | Moe1822: do you create the symlink before, or after tmp is cleaned? Before or after tmp is... mounted? |
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| 22:29.10 | urk | At this point downloading a link for Debian, and installing it within windows might make more sense than trying to boot from the memory stick. As everyone knows, Dell has really crappy support and you can't really call anyone in the US. I just called their headquarters in Texas, and left a message. I also sent a message to Cecibeth that works in |
| 22:29.11 | urk | senior administration, but whether or not they take an interest is hard to say. In the past Cecibeth was quite responsive, but time will tell. One thing for sure is that there foreign call centers are worthless, and many of them don't speak English, and just read a script. |
| 22:29.20 | Moe1822 | freem: not sure what you mean by "cleaned", but yes, I created it after it is mounted. |
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| 22:29.44 | freem | IIRC there's a step in which tmp receives a "rm -r /tmp/" |
| 22:29.47 | urk | back in 5 minutes. |
| 22:30.38 | freem | I'm not a systemd-user, but I would not be surprised if this: /etc/init.d/mountall-bootclean.sh had been ported to systemd |
| 22:31.02 | Moe1822 | freem: that would definitely explain it. I'm kinda astonished by that because somehow through the crack of a race condition, my network-pre.target and ifup@eth0.service units live while the link exists. |
| 22:31.04 | imMute | freem: systemd-tmpfiles can be used to cleanup /tmp/ (among others. |
| 22:31.05 | freem | and it calls "clean_all" (don't ask me where this is defined though) |
| 22:31.52 | freem | that's all I can do to help you Moe1822, I hope someone will help more or that it gives you something to grep for |
| 22:32.09 | Moe1822 | ohh... hold on, I have an fstab setup of my tmp directory as "tmpfs   /tmp tmpfs defaults  0 0", but what you guys are implying is that debian would clean that directory on boot regardless. Is that right? |
| 22:32.29 | freem | that's what I'm afraid of, yes :) |
| 22:32.38 | Moe1822 | ok, that makes sense and I can live with that. |
| 22:33.02 | Moe1822 | (the easiest solution is to not use /tmp as my ephemeral storage location) |
| 22:33.11 | freem | porting the old rc.d stuff to runit is something I still want to do, so I sometimes peek in those dark places |
| 22:33.26 | freem | maybe you can use /dev/shm/ then? |
| 22:33.46 | imMute | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:34.05 | freem | hum... not sure |
| 22:34.11 | freem | "mountall-bootclean.sh:# Clean /tmp, /var/lock, /var/run" |
| 22:34.19 | Moe1822 | imMute, yes, and I already have that as tmpfs as well. Thanks, that's a very clean solution |
| 22:34.32 | freem | if that script has been ported to systemd based debians, as I'm afraid, then it would suffer same problem as in /tmp |
| 22:34.54 | Moe1822 | ahh... ok. |
| 22:35.05 | freem | because, if I'm right, /var/run is a symlink to /run, or the other way |
| 22:35.05 | Moe1822 | freem: what's /dev/shm ? |
| 22:35.10 | freem | shared memory. |
| 22:35.40 | freem | is accessible to everyone though, and I don't know the details there |
| 22:36.16 | freem | yep, /var/run is a symlink pointing at /run, probably legacy stuff |
| 22:37.01 | Moe1822 | ok, I will just add a tiny configuration tmpfs in my fstab. I don't want to fight against the tide of upgrades by changing stock debian behaviour |
| 22:37.24 | freem | this while using a ro rootfs? |
| 22:38.22 | Moe1822 | it's an embedded application. Many constraints involved, including MMC and flash aging. But yes, ro rootfs |
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| 22:38.35 | Moe1822 | and "factory resets" etc. |
| 22:38.43 | freem | don't take me wrong: ro rootfs is something I'd really like debian to allow easily |
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| 22:39.26 | freem | I'm simply quite interested at how you achieved it. I did it for diskless systems, but it required a bit of tweakings of the init system |
| 22:39.27 | Moe1822 | it's been surprisingly painless, to be honest. I was expected so much more pain =) |
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| 22:39.46 | freem | good to read :) |
| 22:40.15 | Moe1822 | I'm on 5.4, so maybe the newer code is better? |
| 22:40.23 | freem | 5.4? |
| 22:40.32 | freem | you mean, kernel version? |
| 22:40.36 | Moe1822 | yes. |
| 22:40.56 | freem | kernel version does not affect the system overall |
| 22:41.05 | Moe1822 | I should say I'm on buster + 5.4. I was implying just the overall vintage. |
| 22:41.27 | Moe1822 | I recall not having been so happy some years ago but I don't recall too much anymore. |
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| 22:42.13 | freem | I don't remember it was painful to setup, but I used runit-init, so, it was basically disabling a set of services, and patching /etc/runit/1 so that there are stuff made before initiating real boot sequence (I didn't bothered tweaking initramfs) |
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| 22:43.10 | fwef64 | Hi, I'm trying to install Debian Stable (10.8) on my laptop using a firmware netinst image. I need the non-free firmware to get my wifi to work. I created a bootable USB stick with 'rufus' on Windows 10, but the installer doesn't pick up the firmware. Says that it's missing. Anyone experienced anything like that? |
| 22:44.20 | sney | fwef64: rufus breaks the installer. use win32diskimager. |
| 22:44.24 | sney | !win32diskimager |
| 22:44.25 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <rufus> or <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from https://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show Debian .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. |
| 22:44.27 | urk | notahackerol> According to Dell's site, systems shipped after 2019 do not offer legacy support, and only offer UEFI https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/en-us/000124383/pxe-boot-dhcp-server-requirements-for-dell-xps-optiplex-latitude-precision-systems-shipping-after-2019 |
| 22:45.14 | urk | Since I have a 2019 XPS I assume there is no problem, but don't recall a setting specifically identified as legacy. I do recall a checkbox for use UEFI network, and one to check, and uncheck boot from Windows. |
| 22:45.36 | SponiX | urk: you might give that win32diskimager a shot also |
| 22:45.37 | fwef64 | sney: will do, thanks |
| 22:45.39 | urk | I took a look at Debian's site, and will try to follow the instructions https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#:~:text=You%20set%20up%20a%20TFTP%20and%20a%20DHCP,installing%20the%20rest%20of%20Debian%20from%20the%20network. |
| 22:46.11 | urk | SponiX> How would I access it? I'm on Win 10 |
| 22:46.13 | sney | fwef64: if it still doesn't work with the image written correctly, your hardware may be too new for the firmware/kernel in buster. at that point you can either install using a dvd offline installer and set up the network later, or install bullseye instead. |
| 22:46.28 | SponiX | !win32diskimager |
| 22:46.28 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <rufus> or <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from https://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show Debian .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. |
| 22:46.38 | fwef64 | I don't think it is. It's more than 3 years old. |
| 22:46.42 | SponiX | urk: https://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ |
| 22:46.56 | sney | fwef64: ok. just letting you know the options. |
| 22:47.03 | Moe1822 | freem: done. Just updated the system and it works a charm. Thanks for the prompt response, this has saved me many hours. |
| 22:47.13 | freem | yw |
| 22:47.47 | Moe1822 | (imMute too) |
| 22:47.57 | SponiX | sney: can I /msg you ? |
| 22:48.14 | sney | SponiX: ok |
| 22:48.19 | urk | SponiX> I have confirmed that the boot stick was burned correctly and works fine. None of my other boot sticks are recognized as well so the problem appears to be with the laptop. Potentially a bios update could fix it, but there is a hardware problem, and the bios update wouldn't install. On reboot, the processor throttled continuously without |
| 22:48.19 | urk | stop, and after 30 minutes I shut off the laptop to prevent it from becoming damaged due to overheating. |
| 22:48.52 | jhutchins | Hm, wonder if there's a Dell function key firmware ... |
| 22:49.54 | jhutchins | Most - not all - of the function keys on my 6430 worked, the 6540 they don't. |
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| 22:51.09 | sney | if dell's own firmware update utility wouldn't work, that sounds like something may be fundamentally wrong with this laptop, and a warranty claim may be the best next step |
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| 22:51.38 | urk | sney> Dell doesn't really offer support. About the only thing you can do is ship the laptop back to them, and get a refund. |
| 22:52.02 | freem | good to know. |
| 22:52.08 | sney | I used to be a dell tech, I know the drill. they can send you a new laptop or a replacement motherboard if you are charming enough |
| 22:52.09 | urk | They have some people in India who answer the phone, but many are really difficult to understand, and not sufficiently trained to handle a problem like this. |
| 22:52.11 | freem | places Dell on blacklist just in case |
| 22:53.17 | sney | regardless, "here is my service tag number, please replace my broken hardware" is a valid procedure, even if you have to sit through the "ok now reboot" call centre script first. |
| 22:53.24 | urk | freem> Not to get off topic, but the stimulus bill raises the minimum wage to $25/hr so any chance of manufacturing, or anyone like Dell ever operating here again is gone forever. And I am quite certain that was the intent of the bill. Its a red herring. |
| 22:54.17 | urk | I have been on the phone with Dell's India call center for 2 days, and the only thing they were able to do for me was to reinstate the warranty for the service tag since they forgot to update the service tag before shipping me a laptop. |
| 22:55.08 | urk | I just called Dell Headquarters at a number that isn't released to the public, and also left a message with one of their administrators so it is yet to be seen how they will handle the problem. One thing for sure about the company is that they are slooooow. |
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| 23:00.53 | n4dir | "not sure why, but i'll give him a quick slap anyway" |
| 23:01.05 | n4dir | sorry. |
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| 23:16.38 | urk | Does anyone know if Debian DHCP offers a .efi file? According to Dell's website, this is required in order to do a net install. https://laptopverge.com/dell-vs-hp/ |
| 23:17.06 | urk | Sorry, but wrong URL https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/en-us/000124383/pxe-boot-dhcp-server-requirements-for-dell-xps-optiplex-latitude-precision-systems-shipping-after-2019 |
| 23:17.22 | urk | Ignore the one that said dell-vs-hp. It was a booboo. |
| 23:19.03 | SponiX | If you can't make a proper USB boot stick and install the regular way, chances of you having any clues of PXE boot are pretty slim |
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| 23:19.57 | notahackerlol | ^ |
| 23:21.12 | SponiX | You should probably ship that thing to the folks in India you have been talking to. Maybe if you are lucky they will point out its all "user error" in a video and ship that back to you :) |
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| 23:21.13 | sney | netboot.tar.gz contains grubx64.efi, anyway. netboot instructions are here. if your nic firmware is offering to boot from a network server, you might as well try it. https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s05 |
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| 23:21.45 | urk | More problems: Dell Just removed the warranty info again from my service tag. |
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