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| 01:18.33 | wr | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:19.50 | wsky | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:23.53 | wr | wsky, by the way, i still have that persistent issue of the volume xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin on menu configuration in built-in audio entrance, changing from Analog stereo duplex to off or others, and my audio sometimes or gets muted or goes On/OFF, my guess is that this electronics is starting to go nuts, still all /var/log/kern.log? or anything else on hardware? |
| 01:25.17 | wsky | wr: just grep trought the /var/log for anything you look for |
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| 01:27.03 | wsky | pulseaudio logs seem to be placed in syslog.log |
| 01:27.19 | wsky | also daemon.log |
| 01:27.25 | wsky | really, use grep |
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| 01:30.23 | wsky | what is your audio setup btw? |
| 01:30.26 | wr | sorry had drop |
| 01:31.11 | wr | ony saw wsky msg, other msg on IRC log didn't catch it |
| 01:31.16 | wr | *only |
| 01:31.33 | wr | wsky, i have pulseaudio, |
| 01:31.40 | wsky | pulseaudio logs seem to be placed in syslog.log |
| 01:31.40 | wsky | 2:25 AM also daemon.log |
| 01:31.40 | wsky | 2:25 AM really, use grep |
| 01:31.41 | wr | on debian xfce |
| 01:31.44 | wsky | that's what i said |
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| 01:32.05 | wsky | but what is your audio hardware |
| 01:32.16 | wsky | is it inteligent audio? |
| 01:32.40 | wsky | as in smart audio of any sort |
| 01:32.45 | wr | wsky, i have a MB Asus P5Q3 Deluxe Wifi is kinda old |
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| 01:33.28 | wr | wsky, it outputs just to some 10⬠logitech speakers, speakers are very good |
| 01:33.36 | wr | even for a low price |
| 01:33.48 | wsky | what is the model number? |
| 01:34.45 | wr | s-120 |
| 01:35.42 | wsky | ok so |
| 01:35.51 | wsky | those are most likely smart speakers |
| 01:36.24 | wsky | i got z533 and those are smart as well |
| 01:36.51 | wsky | and they way they work is you need to input strong signal to them |
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| 01:37.00 | wsky | and they way they work is you need to input strong signal to them |
| 01:37.09 | wsky | otherwise they will switch to powersaving mode |
| 01:37.50 | wr | wsky, usually they work and i never had any problem i used them at least 7 years no problem and with Debian |
| 01:38.25 | wsky | i don't think it has to be software-specific but i'm unsure about that |
| 01:38.44 | wsky | i thought my z533s were broken when i bought them |
| 01:38.58 | wsky | but it appears it's how they programmed the little chippy they come with like that |
| 01:39.26 | wsky | so i need to input strong signal to them otherwise they go powersaving |
| 01:39.52 | wr | wsky, when i connect the cable i get an audio icon blink, one of my guesses is that the green audio input may be faulty, but can that make my debian xfce xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin switch on menu? |
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| 01:41.21 | wr | wsky, if you want to be specific i could record on video the screen when it does that, but at the moment this is normal, just when sometimes have something open like chrome that uses audio that happens or other, on Debian i wanna check logs, i will look on logs you mentioned |
| 01:42.31 | wr | wsky, i didn't had any reboots, but i plugged also a ps2 old keyboard i have here a Mitsumi https://deskthority.net/wiki/Mitsumi_KFK-EA4XA and now once in a while i see screen going white and i have to reboot Debian |
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| 01:42.37 | wr | freezes |
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| 01:42.59 | wsky | if you plugin a ps2 device |
| 01:43.07 | wsky | you need to reboot to make it work |
| 01:43.17 | wsky | this is much older technology than usb |
| 01:43.49 | wr | wsky, it works fine, thing is i am like one hour on pc and then something makes it white screen and freeze, for me is the keyboard |
| 01:44.20 | wr | wsky, this keyboard is old tech but is better than many logitech ones i know |
| 01:44.57 | wsky | just grep trought the logs then |
| 01:44.59 | wsky | shrugs |
| 01:45.20 | wsky | look for something like 'segfault' or 'error' |
| 01:45.42 | wsky | or 'segmentation' |
| 01:46.34 | wr | wsky, do you wanna see the whole log, cause i probably won't see it that good |
| 01:46.51 | wsky | no, i'm done here |
| 01:46.55 | wsky | ask someone else |
| 01:49.49 | wr | wsky, if i switch the ps2 to usb with adapter that would be gone, no? |
| 01:51.40 | wr | hmm, debian pastebin gives 413 Request Entity Too Large... |
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| 01:53.24 | HelloShitty | Hello. I'm trying to figure out a way of creating my own small secure vault/container/volume to save some sensitive data. I want some opinions about if this is a relatively secure way of storing sensitive information or if I'm not even close. So, my first approach was to create a sparse file. Then I created a gpg key to encrypt this volume using LUKS. After this step, I mount this volume and save |
| 01:53.30 | HelloShitty | inside it what I want to keep safe. Then I just unmount it, close the volume with luksClose and as a last step I encrypt the volume file itself with GnuPG. |
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| 01:53.55 | HelloShitty | Is this relatively safe or am completely off? |
| 01:53.57 | wr | well i cutted it bit https://paste.debian.net/1178147/ |
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| 01:54.59 | wr | HelloShitty, https://cryptsetup-team.pages.debian.net/cryptsetup/encrypted-boot.html i still have this to read, don't know if it fits |
| 01:55.20 | sney | HelloShitty: it sounds like it would work, on the surface. but it's not clear how this is better than e.g. using gpg to encrypt a tar archive |
| 01:56.26 | HelloShitty | sney: I liked this way because I can have a folder structure better organized and of easier access and all contianed inside that volume |
| 01:57.19 | tomreyn | then you can drop the gpg part |
| 01:57.53 | HelloShitty | Also, I think in case I need to edit files, create, delete, etc, it will all be done inside the container, and presumably, less chances of leaving traces of what I did in my files outside of the container |
| 01:58.28 | wsky | HelloShitty: what you want to do is use luks |
| 01:58.44 | HelloShitty | tomreyn: what you mean by drop the gpg part? |
| 01:58.58 | HelloShitty | I'm using luks wsky , to encrypt this volume |
| 01:59.02 | wsky | and if you want to wipe the data use dd and /dev/zero |
| 01:59.06 | HelloShitty | but I encrypt the volume using gpg keys |
| 01:59.16 | tomreyn | using only luks achieves the same as your approach |
| 01:59.46 | tomreyn | no need to encrypt the same thing twice |
| 01:59.46 | wsky | you can use any file as a key |
| 01:59.55 | wsky | like a picture for instance |
| 02:00.49 | HelloShitty | tomreyn: encrypting twice is probably not needed and it's just a matter of paranoia, but neverthless, it adds an extra layer of security |
| 02:01.13 | tomreyn | it adds an extra layer, but it doesn't increase security |
| 02:01.25 | tomreyn | it rather lowers it, because it complicates it |
| 02:02.04 | HelloShitty | wsky: yes, that's the point. I create a key but never store, print or use any non-volatile media for the key output, so that's also good because no traces of the keys used are left behind, I guess |
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| 02:03.05 | HelloShitty | tomreyn: imagine that for some reason, one layer of encryption is broken... Then you still have another layer to break. That might eventually makes anyone to just give up |
| 02:03.11 | HelloShitty | but I understand |
| 02:03.46 | HelloShitty | For instance, there are some devices, like USB pen drives that offers harware security to save esnsitive data |
| 02:04.18 | HelloShitty | What else or what better security these type of devices can offer that something like what I'm trying to do, doesn't offer? |
| 02:05.00 | tomreyn | key material doesn't ever leave hardware device |
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| 02:07.49 | HelloShitty | tomreyn: you mean for the USB devices I mentioned? |
| 02:08.14 | tomreyn | HelloShitty: if it's not one of the very cheap ones, yes |
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| 02:09.15 | HelloShitty | ok, but that can be as good as it can be bad. Someone with physical access will do anything they like |
| 02:09.45 | HelloShitty | but other than that, the encryption algos and etc are probably the same we use on any other system, no? |
| 02:10.13 | HelloShitty | OR you think that companies that build those devices have their own cryptography methods and do their own shit? |
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| 02:11.08 | HelloShitty | I'm using aes256 sha512 for the keys and aes-xts-plain64 for the volume encryption |
| 02:12.09 | HelloShitty | I have not much knowledge on cryptography so I have no idea if compaanies just use the most common ciphers, algos and digests or if they use proprietary stuff |
| 02:12.11 | tomreyn | anything can be good in one scenario and bad in another, first define what risks you're trying to secure against, then consider your options. if it's about physical security you're likely toast either way. |
| 02:12.25 | HelloShitty | yeah |
| 02:12.39 | HelloShitty | last resort is a gun in your pocket |
| 02:12.40 | HelloShitty | lol |
| 02:12.51 | tomreyn | ttyl |
| 02:13.31 | HelloShitty | bye |
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| 03:21.53 | Souler | Hello all |
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| 03:35.38 | Souler | What happened to all Cinnamons? My two computers did not want to get up in the desktop environment. I tried reinstalling Cinnamon, Xorg and nothing worked. I had to reinstall my entire system. |
| 03:36.30 | sney | what does "did not want to get up in the desktop environment" look like on your screen? |
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| 03:38.52 | Souler | It said it was in safe mode and that's about it. I couldn't use any shortcut and run programs. |
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| 04:46.05 | sgo11 | Can I trust USB keyboard or is that possible to determine if it's harmful? Long story: my laptop has a bad keyboard design on Home/End/PageUpDown keys. I planed to buy a 4 keys programmable keyboard online. The keyboard has a built-in framework and some kinda memory to remember the setup. I can use software to set what key or any number of combination keys to one key/button. From the software UI, it seems I |
| 04:46.11 | sgo11 | can even run some script by pressing the button. I am wondering if this USB keyboard can be harmful or run some backdoor/trojan and should I buy it? Thanks. |
| 04:46.31 | rk4 | yes, usb keyboards can be malicious |
| 04:48.00 | rk4 | it's up to you, lots of your hardware has hidden code that might be doing arbitrary things wrt your computer |
| 04:48.20 | sgo11 | rk4: thanks a lot for the quick reply. Any advices? I am really sick of my laptop's Home/End/PageUp/PageDown keys. I have to press FN key and those keys are too small. What about a numpad bluetooth keyboard? |
| 04:48.58 | rk4 | bluetooth is potentially worse as it's wireless, bluetooth stacks get compromised from time to time |
| 04:49.51 | epsilon | just replacing with original keyboard from vendor is not an option? |
| 04:50.10 | rk4 | it seems the malicious usb keyboard is a rare enough event that we don't have much to worry about, i think the safer avenues are either the user non-programmable ones, or something like an ergodox where you control the firmware |
| 04:50.17 | sgo11 | rk4: What do you mean by getting compromised? I don't care if other people can sniff what I typed. Because they are just Home/End/PageUpDown keys. |
| 04:51.09 | epsilon | then go buy it, it's not more dangerous as any other USB device |
| 04:52.23 | sgo11 | epsilon: sorry, I don't quite understand what you mean by replacing with original keyboard. I mean the original laptop keyboard has a bad design of Home/End/PageUp/PageDown keys. |
| 04:52.57 | epsilon | it's not broken? |
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| 04:54.35 | sgo11 | epsilon: no, it's not broken. I use Home/End/PageUp/PageDown a lot when programming. It has a bad design. THere is no separate keys. I have to use FN + some small keys to generate those keys. Thus I would like to use an external 4 keys keyboard. |
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| 04:57.08 | sgo11 | rk4: the problem is how I know the USB keyboard is non-programmable ones? Maybe there are some malicious firmware inside. And I am googling ergodox keyboard, how do I control the firmware? Thanks. |
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| 05:02.33 | rk4 | https://github.com/qmk/qmk_firmware |
| 05:05.15 | sgo11 | rk4: thanks a lot. It only has a complete keyboard. I only need 4 keys or 8 keys (including Up/Down/Left/Right). |
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| 05:52.14 | unixbsd | hello |
| 05:52.34 | unixbsd | I would need cups lpd wrapper. In which package is it? |
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| 05:57.17 | themill | you might need to explain what that is first |
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| 06:04.26 | unixbsd | the cups printer needs a lpd wrapper for printers with lpd. ipp is fine, but lpd is easier to get the ppd to work well. So then, a wrapper is necessary. I hope it helps. |
| 06:05.15 | themill | Not in the slightest. |
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| 06:07.42 | unixbsd | LPD : https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/printing-lpd.html |
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| 06:09.43 | themill | I know what lpd is. |
| 06:11.26 | themill | I have no idea what a "cups lpd wrapper" is still. |
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| 06:14.03 | unixbsd | ah... this is what is into the directory of cups: /usr/share/ppd/cupsfilters/ <-- those are perl's code usually. |
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| 07:17.42 | cuco | Hi all, I need to run sarge in a docker. Which docker image is available? |
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| 07:25.04 | rk4 | cuco: why sarge? |
| 07:26.15 | rk4 | cuco: and the answer to 'Which docker image is available?' seems to be "no." [https://hub.docker.com/_/debian?tab=description&page=1&ordering=last_updated] |
| 07:27.49 | rk4 | heh, sarge was 15 years ago now, i think i had the cd set for woody |
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| 07:36.18 | cuco | rk4, problem - my job uses rbpi for ci. In those setups we use a package that does not compile in Ubuntu ... so, I need to workaround. |
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| 07:36.54 | rk4 | what is rbpi |
| 07:36.57 | cuco | is thinking of using debootstrap and then making it a docker image. so much to learn. |
| 07:37.03 | cuco | rk4, raspberry pi |
| 07:37.06 | rk4 | what is the package, and what does it depend on |
| 07:37.25 | rk4 | what are these missing deps |
| 07:37.37 | cuco | rk4, pip3 install pygattlib, it just misscompiles here. |
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| 07:38.28 | cuco | wait.. sarge? I meant buster... #FAIL |
| 07:38.47 | rk4 | https://github.com/oscaracena/pygattlib had a last commit of a month ago...oh, you want buster |
| 07:39.02 | cuco | sage.. like.. yea, this works in 16 microcontrollers or something (I have used it...) |
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| 07:39.28 | rk4 | well, i linked to buster image above |
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| 07:40.18 | cuco | rk4, yap, but its unofficial. I am running something I don't really know. |
| 07:40.51 | rk4 | is it unofficial |
| 07:41.22 | rk4 | i think its as official as you're going to get, and official enough |
| 07:41.37 | rk4 | debian's used as a base image for a huge pile of other docker stuffs |
| 07:41.50 | cuco | regarding the python issue - yes, but It does not work here - so I want to use a similar environment to see why it does not work here. (unless you want me to help debug it here) |
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| 07:42.34 | rk4 | no i think i'll opt out, i found it easier to change languages than deal with python distribution woes ;) |
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| 07:56.55 | Souler | hello all |
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| 08:09.35 | foul_owl | How do I install openjdk 8 on debian 10? It looks like the packages aren't there. Is there a backport? |
| 08:12.17 | another | ,v jdk |
| 08:12.18 | judd | No package named 'jdk' was found in amd64. |
| 08:13.31 | foul_owl | Currently have java 11 installed, but for who knows what reason there is no backwards compatibility, so I need specficially java 8 :( |
| 08:14.33 | Souler | I not shure witch version installing this command sudo apt-get install default-jre |
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| 08:17.41 | n4dir | Souler: apt-get install -s install default-jre; will tell you |
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| 08:28.15 | foul_owl | Version 11 |
| 08:28.44 | foul_owl | Ugh I hate java for this reason |
| 08:29.36 | foul_owl | I long for the days of downloading a tarball and building with autotools |
| 08:30.33 | epsilon | no one likes java, I had the same problem with an old hardware accepting only Internet Explorer and an ancient JRE |
| 08:31.21 | foul_owl | jeez |
| 08:34.22 | n4dir | foul_owl: i am not in that java thing, but if you go to packages.debian.org and search for openjdk, all suites, which includes old-stable, you seem to always run in version 11? |
| 08:34.22 | rapids | Please, Internet Explorer (especially pre version 6) was so good. It managed to make the whole webdev world shine with ideas to make things work between versions. Compatibility was so much fun back in the days. Microsoft was so creative with their code and ideas. Kudos to them... |
| 08:34.51 | bolt | put the darn thing in a container and call it a day. correct version everywhere. |
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| 08:54.32 | Elodin | Hi, i have just installed buster and i'm trying to add my user to sudo group but my sistem doesnt have usermod cli tool? |
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| 09:03.16 | n4dir | Elodin: su - ; instead of su |
| 09:03.30 | wsky | or sudo su |
| 09:03.30 | n4dir | probably that is the problem |
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| 09:03.47 | n4dir | wsky: well, if you want to set up sudo, ... |
| 09:03.51 | wsky | right |
| 09:04.04 | wsky | well i always edit sudoers with nano |
| 09:04.10 | wsky | eh no |
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| 09:04.20 | Elodin | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:04.22 | wsky | i log in as root to a tty |
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| 09:04.47 | wsky | and then add the user to that group |
| 09:04.50 | n4dir | Elodin: there changed something with su. If you do su only, you don't get roots path, so you either have to su - ; or to edit a file |
| 09:05.05 | n4dir | but if you want to set up sudo anyway, i guess su - ; is sufficient |
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| 09:16.42 | Happyloving | hi all, trying to setup debian 10, got it installed and graphics are horribly slow, even trying to drag the cursor across the screen is painful. Typing in terminal i get huge delays, and duplicate key strokes placed oddly. Box ran server 2012 R2 just fine earlier this week. I think it's a driver issue, I followed this guide https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=918087 as the symptoms seem to match, the first fix didn't |
| 09:16.42 | Happyloving | fix it, the other fixes look meh. Anyone have any suggestions? |
| 09:16.42 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/918087 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (open): «About xserver-xorg-video-intel problems and non-free.»; severity: normal; opened: 2019-01-03; last modified: 2019-02-01. |
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| 09:34.48 | sgo11 | hi, I think I have a broken hard drive (1TB hdd). Where is the proper place to ask questions about how to fix it and recover data? Thanks a lot. |
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| 09:35.58 | sgo11 | PS: I can not see partition table at all. |
| 09:37.16 | rapids | sgo11, yeah there is a proper place - it's called Search engine ;) |
| 09:37.38 | pasiz | sgo11: have you tried testdisk? |
| 09:38.28 | pasiz | i assume drive is spinning up |
| 09:38.41 | sgo11 | pasiz: I haven't tried it. I will google how to use it or read its manpage. thanks. |
| 09:39.33 | pasiz | sgo11: https://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk |
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| 09:41.38 | pasiz | i think this is your best shot if you have no experience fixing hard drive faults and have no access to pc3000 or similar repair station equipment |
| 09:43.20 | sgo11 | pasiz: thanks a lot for your reply. There are some logs and sdout if you have time to have a look: https://hastebin.com/voroqutetu.sql and https://hastebin.com/jikuyaporu.yaml |
| 09:45.55 | sgo11 | I am not sure if it's spinning up or not. When the system boots, I can hear some bad clicking sound for a few seconds and then nothing. |
| 09:47.05 | pasiz | seems your spindle is stuck or drive cannot read firmware |
| 09:49.24 | sgo11 | I use the hard drive for storage in the old days. I use esata connection and connected to a ARM board. I stop using it for many years. (the ARM and hdd are off). Now, when I want to use the data, I can not mount the hdd. Becasue the ARM board is kinda dead too. I connect the hdd to internal sata connection. (I assume esata and sata are exchangable, but I am not sure). |
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| 09:50.26 | sgo11 | pasiz: thanks for checking my logs. What should I do now? Will testdisk help? |
| 09:51.20 | sgo11 | I haven't used the disk for at least 5 years. If I remember correctly, it's just one ext4 partition. |
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| 10:02.45 | velix | sgo11: Maybe ask in ##hardware? HDDs aren't designed for long time storage. |
| 10:03.01 | velix | They wear out... Bitrot, plastic parts etc. |
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| 10:03.20 | velix | When moving into my new flat 4 years ago, my old disk was working 100% |
| 10:03.26 | velix | I tried to access it a half year ago: dead. |
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| 10:04.34 | sgo11 | velix: Thanks. I am wondering if there is a special harddrive channel in stackexchange (stackoverflow) group? |
| 10:04.46 | velix | sgo11: Didn't most of them move to reddit ? |
| 10:05.10 | sgo11 | I never use reddit. can I ask this question in reddit directly? |
| 10:05.36 | velix | In the hardware section, maybe. But I bet, some will suggest you to exchange the PCB and such... Don't do it. |
| 10:06.27 | sgo11 | ok. If I don't exhange PCB, what should I do? I realy want my data back... |
| 10:06.42 | velix | There are recovery services. HDD can be recovered damn easy. |
| 10:06.46 | velix | About $700-$4000 |
| 10:06.56 | velix | but if it's clicking only, it might be around $1000 |
| 10:07.09 | velix | oops, $40000, not $4000 |
| 10:07.16 | GNU\colossus | sgo11, is the data on the drive important, or merely nice to have? |
| 10:07.52 | velix | sgo11: In Office, we've got an insurance on such stuff. Last recovery was $1000 |
| 10:09.45 | sgo11 | GNU\colossus: well, it's kinda important. all my family photos in it without a backup. It worked before and off for 5 years. I haven't touched it at all. I never know a harddrive can be broken when it's off. |
| 10:10.48 | sgo11 | Btw, are esata and sata the same? I was using esata enclosure. Now, I am using internal sata connection. I think the esata enclosure and ARM server are broken. |
| 10:11.19 | velix | uuh wait. |
| 10:11.24 | GNU\colossus | sgo11, you should contact a professional data recovery service |
| 10:11.25 | velix | Some models don't work internal. |
| 10:11.40 | velix | Since I don't know your model, I cannot help. |
| 10:11.43 | velix | But google it up. |
| 10:12.09 | velix | Some manufactors have special firmware or adapters or voltages in OEM devices. |
| 10:12.14 | velix | There was a report some years ago |
| 10:14.41 | sgo11 | OK, thank you all. |
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| 10:15.33 | dob1 | there is an encoding issue on new debian site |
| 10:17.00 | BCMM | what's the encoding issue? |
| 10:19.07 | BCMM | looks like the non-Latin text on the main page is in escape sequences rather than directly encoded (even though the page is nominally utf-8) |
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| 10:20.43 | ratrace | what's a new debian sit...... oooooooooh! look at that! |
| 10:21.26 | BCMM | it has a giant Download button |
| 10:21.45 | BCMM | which seems to have been the biggest complaint of the last forever |
| 10:22.12 | ratrace | now nobody can complain that they can't find it |
| 10:22.42 | ratrace | no, wait.... what am I thinking. This is The Internet. Of _course_ people will complain. now they'll complain it's too big. Too "ooh aah, web 3.0 nonsense blah blah" luddite diarrhea. |
| 10:23.26 | ratrace | "bawwww my prehistoric text only, no javascript, luddite links browser can't view the new page, bawwww" |
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| 10:24.26 | dob1 | encofing issue https://0x0.st/iC6s.png for my language |
| 10:24.33 | ratrace | file a bug report |
| 10:24.34 | dob1 | *encoding |
| 10:24.47 | BCMM | dob1: what URL is that at? |
| 10:24.54 | dob1 | BCMM, it's a screenshot |
| 10:25.15 | BCMM | well, clearly. what is it a screenshot of? |
| 10:25.25 | dob1 | debian.org in my language |
| 10:25.34 | dob1 | it's https://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian |
| 10:25.36 | ratrace | "encoding issue for my language" .... pay attention lol :) |
| 10:26.00 | dob1 | ratrace, I mean an encoding issue for the page in my language :) |
| 10:26.12 | dob1 | I am sure you don't see that page but the one in your language |
| 10:26.14 | ratrace | no that was in reply to "what's the pic of" :) |
| 10:26.25 | BCMM | same issue on https://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian.it.html if anybody who doesn't have their browser set to Italian wants to have a look |
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| 10:27.25 | dob1 | but it's strange "Libertà " is correct so it has to be "stabilità " where there is the issue |
| 10:27.26 | ratrace | file bug reports, folks. mentioning it here in passing won't change a thing ;) |
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| 10:41.30 | pasiz | sgo11: based on logs, spindle may just been stuck. Soft tapping on horizontal with palm to the corner can unstuck it. Worth trying. So keep harddrive in other hand, power it on and give tap when it tries to spin. |
| 10:42.26 | pasiz | imagine how the disk is spinning, you need to create force that is same direction that the platters are spinning |
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| 10:48.36 | sgo11 | pasiz: thank you very much for the info. Because I am not a native English speaker, I don't fully understand your words. I understand that I need to create some force to make it spin. But not 100% sure how to do it. |
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| 10:59.30 | sgo11 | pasiz: I am watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5Y7BniaRXg video. Is this what I should do? |
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| 11:34.32 | cluelessperson | why isn't pip included with python? |
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| 11:43.31 | ratrace | why should it be? |
| 11:43.50 | ratrace | it's automatically installted into a virtualenv, which is the only place you should be using pip in. |
| 11:43.54 | ratrace | *installed |
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| 11:45.43 | shtrb | cluelessperson, just install what you did it's a one apt-get install away |
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| 11:46.13 | shtrb | !tell cluelessperson python3-pip |
| 11:46.21 | cluelessperson | ratrace, because pip is a builtin module for python now. |
| 11:46.29 | cluelessperson | and that doesn't work for python3.7 |
| 11:46.37 | shtrb | cluelessperson, python3-pip |
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| 11:48.41 | ratrace | cluelessperson: pip is or venv is? and what do you mean by "now"? which version of python? |
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| 11:56.33 | cluelessperson | ratrace, python3.4+ venv and pip are modules built-in to python. I don't know why they would be purposely excluded to be made into separate packages. |
| 11:56.57 | cluelessperson | so python3 installs python3.6, and python3-pip is pip and python3-venv is venv for python3.6 |
| 11:56.58 | ratrace | venv is packaged, but yeah, no pip as module |
| 11:57.04 | ratrace | packaged == a module |
| 11:57.23 | ratrace | it's 3.7 in buster tho |
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| 11:59.13 | ratrace | and uh yeah , even venv module requires python3-venv package installed . welp, no idea why they packaged it like that. |
| 12:00.28 | cluelessperson | that's what I'm saying. |
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| 12:15.21 | generic | got an older board wo uefi and a nvme adapter. drive doesnt show in grub. if i boot into live its there... |
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| 12:20.12 | quadrathoch2 | can it boot off of it generic? |
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| 12:31.03 | nifker | keyboard not working on wayland(can confirm on weston) as of yesterdays bullseye update |
| 12:31.08 | genericum | got a board without uefi and nvme adapter. drive shows in live but not in usb-grub. what to do? |
| 12:31.14 | nifker | is this known? |
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| 12:33.09 | quadrathoch2 | !debian-next |
| 12:33.09 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
| 12:33.25 | quadrathoch2 | nifker |
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| 12:34.03 | quadrathoch2 | genericum, as pointed out earlier, you need to verify that the adapter is okay with being the boot device |
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| 12:38.43 | ratrace | genericum: are you asking for debian or gentoo? lying about your distro will cause people to give you wrong solutions and wastes everyone's time .... |
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| 12:45.02 | GNU\colossus | quadrathoch2, if you firmware cannot boot from that device, you will have to find another device that it can boot from, and go from there. |
| 12:45.40 | quadrathoch2 | GNU\colossus not my issue, tell genericum |
| 12:45.57 | GNU\colossus | ah, sorry. genericum ^ |
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| 13:02.54 | noisemaker | After installing debian 10.7, why commands like "dpkg-reconfigure" "iptables" ... when executed says "command not found" but with the "whereis" they do exist? |
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| 13:04.11 | dvs | !buster su |
| 13:04.11 | dpkg | In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
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| 13:24.08 | genericum | debian stick and gentoo on drive |
| 13:24.22 | genericum | so technically its debians grub |
| 13:24.57 | genericum | that doesn't show the nvme |
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| 13:26.56 | j`ey | where can I find the .config files for the debian kernel images? |
| 13:27.21 | dvs | j'ey: /boot/config-* |
| 13:27.40 | j`ey | not on my current system, I want to look at them for the aarch64 builds |
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| 13:28.37 | JGod-P666 | hello |
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| 13:33.05 | mrkramps | j`ey, you could also check for /proc/config.gz |
| 13:33.31 | j`ey | I downloaded the .deb from https://packages.debian.org/stable/kernel/linux-image-4.19.0-11-arm64, unpacked it and found the config |
| 13:33.46 | mrkramps | well, that will also do :) |
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| 13:37.31 | sgo11 | pasiz: thank you very much for letting me know the method. I found the cause now, but I don't think it's fixable. The platter has terrible scratches. The spindle will always be stucked at the same position. I opened the hdd twice to confirm that. This is the picture: https://pasteall.org/media/7/c/7cef32235f1cce540b21c9e976257641.jpg |
| 13:37.52 | mrkramps | hardware porn! |
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| 14:00.59 | JesusGod-Pope666 | ohh there we go. Apparently a automated thing. Thanks back in the seat :) |
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| 14:35.32 | freem | hello. gitk refuses to work here: https://paste.debian.net/1178200/ |
| 14:35.50 | freem | I suppose something is not installed, but can't figure what. Any idea? |
| 14:36.22 | mrkramps | first line reads: use number not string |
| 14:36.43 | freem | yep, which does not says much to me about how to fix it |
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| 14:37.35 | freem | I assume that debian's package should work out of the box, so there must be something which lacks, somewhere, or something conflicting... or both? |
| 14:38.04 | mrkramps | i assume nobody here knows the package you're talking about |
| 14:38.51 | mrkramps | and i also assume i just did not see the package name in your first post ⦠:S |
| 14:39.45 | mrkramps | freem, stable or testing? |
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| 14:43.35 | freem | stable |
| 14:43.44 | freem | I said gitk :) |
| 14:43.51 | mrkramps | freem, backports? |
| 14:44.01 | freem | I tried both normal and backport |
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| 14:44.30 | freem | https://packages.debian.org/buster/gitk |
| 14:44.33 | freem | this one thus |
| 14:45.40 | mrkramps | freem, which tk version is installed? |
| 14:47.23 | freem | https://packages.debian.org/buster/tk this one |
| 14:47.32 | freem | (and I checked in aptitude) |
| 14:47.56 | mrkramps | freem, you've setup some custom colors for gitk? |
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| 14:48.12 | freem | nothing, I don't even know how to do that |
| 14:49.00 | freem | hum... wait... with .Xdefaults? |
| 14:49.35 | freem | oh, ok, thanks mrkramps |
| 14:49.35 | mrkramps | freem, no, gitk should use it's own configs |
| 14:49.48 | freem | nope, I emptied my ~/.Xdefaults, and now gitk works |
| 14:49.54 | mrkramps | oO |
| 14:50.06 | freem | don't copy my face without permission :D |
| 14:51.00 | freem | gitk does not like the line "*font: xft:Source Code Pro:style=Light:size=11" |
| 14:51.35 | freem | problem "solved" thanks for the hint |
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| 14:52.09 | freem | it may be a gitk bug though... dunno? |
| 14:52.32 | mrkramps | hmkay, tk obviously can get settings from X Resources |
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| 14:53.04 | freem | probably can't use the more modern syntax for fonts |
| 14:53.28 | mrkramps | no xft support i guess |
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| 14:54.02 | freem | probably, but the error was not really meaningful |
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| 16:46.31 | mariaban | hello can I have some help to autostart my x0vncserver?I created a .desktop file on .config/autostart. |
| 16:47.41 | mariaban | I tryed with: "x0vncserver -passwordfile ~/.vnc/passwd -display :0" but doesen't work on boot. What have I to write in the Exec= field? |
| 16:48.44 | greycat | Wait, first you mentioned .config/autostart which I would assume happens at LOGIN. But now you're saying BOOT. Which one is it? Also, is this a VNC session that "scrapes" your X session, or is it a regular VNC session that has no connection to your X session at all? |
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| 16:51.23 | n4dir | i always had the impression greycat is only in IRC during workdays. A Xmas miracle ! |
| 16:51.49 | ratrace | maybe it's not yet xmass where they work |
| 16:51.54 | ratrace | I'm at work r/n |
| 16:52.09 | greycat | same here, for some definition of "at" |
| 16:52.14 | mariaban | sorry I'm not expert as you understood, I created this file in the .config/autostart folder of my user. When I reboot x0vncserver doesen't start automatically but I have to start form terminal with "x0vncserver -passwordfile ~/.vnc/passwd -display :0" command. I need only a scraping server to mirror my odroid with armbian system |
| 16:52.19 | n4dir | sorry to hear it. yeah, thought so, but that joke needed to be made |
| 16:52.29 | ratrace | greycat: couch left: Netflix and chill. couch right: office :) |
| 16:53.00 | greycat | mariaban: OK, so it's a scraper. That means there must BE an X session to scrape at the time you run it. That means you CAN'T run it at boot, because there isn't an X session to scrape yet. You need to run it on login, not at boot. |
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| 16:53.55 | greycat | Or more preceisely, you need to run it during or after your X session initialization, in case that happens separately from your login. |
| 16:54.08 | greycat | I'd throw the command in ~/.xsessionrc and see how that goes. |
| 16:54.15 | mariaban | so .config/autostart is not correct? |
| 16:54.22 | greycat | https://wiki.debian.org/Xsession |
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| 16:57.13 | greycat | (There might also be a way to do it with your "autostart" directory, but I am not familiar with that stuff, at all. And in any case, it can't be done before you start your X session.) |
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| 17:00.27 | mariaban | ok, now I'm in the etc/X11 folder, have I to change some file there? |
| 17:00.33 | greycat | dear gods NO |
| 17:00.51 | greycat | why are you making this so complicated |
| 17:01.18 | mariaban | sorry no expert at all |
| 17:01.52 | greycat | just put x0vncserver -passwordfile ~/.vnc/passwd in ~/.xsessionrc and then log out and back in and see if it works. You shouldn't even need that -display :0 crap as it should inherit the DISPLAY variable normally at that point. |
| 17:02.17 | greycat | or, if that command "hangs" (doesn't fork the VNC servers into the background automatically), but & after it, of course. |
| 17:02.25 | greycat | s/but/put/ |
| 17:04.51 | mariaban | sorry, not able to find ~/.xsessionrc ;( |
| 17:04.56 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 17:05.15 | greycat | I gave you the wiki page as explanation. CREATE it. Not every possible configuration file has been created in advance for you. |
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| 17:08.21 | archaeopter | How would i go about compressing my btrfs system with zstd3?The wiki hints at a command but i dont get the rest of it under ' What's the precedence of all the options affecting compression? 'https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Compression |
| 17:15.19 | alexrelis[m] | Can someone please tell me which image I need to install to get Debian Sid right from the get-go? |
| 17:15.37 | alexrelis[m] | The nonfree variant* |
| 17:16.29 | archaeopter | https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/daily-builds/sid_d-i/current/ |
| 17:17.15 | greycat | the two channels who would have knowledge of a sid daily-build installer are both on the other network |
| 17:19.25 | sney | !testing installer |
| 17:19.25 | dpkg | Repeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage. https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 17:20.04 | sney | more information in the https://deb.li/sidfaq |
| 17:21.02 | sney | and if your response to the <testing installer> factoid is "but I don't want testing, I want sid," you are probably too confused about what testing/sid are to know what you're doing anyway |
| 17:21.14 | alexrelis[m] | archaeopter: I tried that. When I run the installer it says "No kernel modules found". |
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| 17:22.48 | archaeopter | Then i have as much clue as you do, i'd sugget 1. not using sid if you are as knowledgable as me lol 2. just changing the repos from stable if u really want to |
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| 17:23.41 | alexrelis[m] | archaeopter: I can't install stable. |
| 17:23.53 | alexrelis[m] | My realtek wireless card isn't detected in the stable installer. |
| 17:24.00 | mariaban | greycat I've added "x0vncserver -passwordfile ~/.vnc/passwd" to ~/.xsessionrc but black screen at login |
| 17:24.02 | archaeopter | with nonfree? weird |
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| 17:24.30 | archaeopter | Testing buils also fail? |
| 17:24.34 | sney | realtek is like that sometimes. if you can't use the netinst, use CD1 instead. then get your network set up in the OS and proceed as usual |
| 17:24.58 | archaeopter | and ye realtek can be a bane on almost any distro |
| 17:25.08 | alexrelis[m] | archaeopter: its a new computer. I need an installer with a newer kernel and firmware in the very least. Even Fedora 33 was giving me trouble. I don't truly know what I'm doing, but I'm informed enough to make btrfs snapshots before upgrading. |
| 17:25.33 | alexrelis[m] | Need to try testing builds. |
| 17:25.36 | archaeopter | ye, its not the distros, its realtek lol |
| 17:25.54 | archaeopter | sometimes getting the right hardware support for them is tricky |
| 17:26.58 | archaeopter | I'd just suggest Linux Mint if you're new to linux and have trouble with realtek, it really does 99% of the work for you |
| 17:27.00 | alexrelis[m] | And trackpad doesn't work either. |
| 17:27.26 | alexrelis[m] | And sorry for slow typing. Since I don't have access to my computer, I have to use my phone. |
| 17:27.38 | archaeopter | Sounds like a tp420 of mine haha |
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| 17:28.22 | archaeopter | No worries, i'd suggest trying linux mint unless you are a diehard open source radical |
| 17:28.38 | n4dir | which distro might that be? |
| 17:29.01 | archaeopter | i dont get the question |
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| 17:29.21 | n4dir | there isn't really an option for diehard free software radicals |
| 17:29.29 | n4dir | at least not that many |
| 17:30.12 | archaeopter | true, hed ask around in some dusty trisquel chat if he would be lol |
| 17:30.24 | archaeopter | or idk where they tumble now |
| 17:31.19 | n4dir | alexrelis[m]: you got no cable connection at all? |
| 17:31.42 | alexrelis[m] | n4dir: I'll use my phone. |
| 17:31.48 | alexrelis[m] | Which is working so far. |
| 17:32.31 | n4dir | so cable is no option. hmm ... |
| 17:32.48 | trui | "open source", "radical". pick one. unless you mean the bsd's? ;) archaeopter |
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| 17:33.18 | archaeopter | lel, true an even smaller faction haha |
| 17:33.44 | alexrelis[m] | Is it possible to create btrfs subvolumes in the Debian 10 installer? |
| 17:33.49 | archaeopter | Btw it kinda got buried |
| 17:33.50 | archaeopter | How would i go about compressing my btrfs system with zstd3?The wiki hints at a command but i dont get the rest of it under ' What's the precedence of all the options affecting compression? 'https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Compression |
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| 17:34.19 | archaeopter | Ye, you can partition your drive manually from the debian installer |
| 17:34.43 | archaeopter | Just remember to open up the docs about doing that |
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| 17:35.35 | trui | this is a new computer with a blank harddrive? alexrelis[m] |
| 17:35.45 | alexrelis[m] | trui Yes |
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| 17:36.25 | mariaban | can I please get help to autostart my x0vncserver on my armbian system? |
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| 17:37.07 | mariaban | I tryed to add "x0vncserver -passwordfile ~/.vnc/passwd" to ~/.xsessionrc but black screen at login |
| 17:37.13 | sney | !armbian |
| 17:37.13 | dpkg | Armbian is a project that has pre-compiled custom Debian and Ubuntu installer images for <ARM> boards, and a small package repository with kernels, drivers, and utilities. It is not a complete distribution, and uses unmodified Debian or Ubuntu official package repos. kernel/hw/installer/building questions: #armbian on chat.freenode.net |
| 17:37.39 | trui | that's weird that fedora doesn't work. hmm |
| 17:38.06 | mariaban | I already asked them, they told me to ask here :( |
| 17:38.37 | sney | mariaban: then wait and ask again when there are different people here. if you repeatedly ask the same question to the same people I don't know what you're expecting |
| 17:40.20 | greycat | mariaban: if that x0vncserver command "hangs" (does not automatically fork a child and then exit), put & after it. As I said before. |
| 17:40.56 | greycat | This is the fun part about editing stuff that happens during login or session-start. You can easily break things. |
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| 17:42.42 | trui | i'm guessing you set up the network? alexrelis[m]. fedora worked for me--it had the firmware, but it just hadn't autoconfigured my network. i was on older hardware though |
| 17:42.58 | mariaban | greycat: sorry didn't understood finel part of your message "... , but & after it, of course.s/but/put/ " |
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| 17:44.50 | mariaban | greycat: & was missing !!! |
| 17:46.30 | mariaban | now it works!! thank you very much and merry christmas everybody and expecially to greycat !! |
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| 17:54.18 | archaeopter | Ill return later with the same question i guess, happy holidays yall |
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| 18:11.58 | trui | i love how casually destructive mv is. i have backups but still, haha. |
| 18:12.50 | dvs | I like to mv it, mv it! |
| 18:13.00 | alexrelis[m] | How do I connect to a network on CLI with USB tethering? |
| 18:13.05 | alexrelis[m] | On Debian Testing. |
| 18:13.18 | dvs | !debian-next |
| 18:13.18 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
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| 18:13.43 | trui | this is the difficulty with having the same defaults for scripts and interactive use, dvs *sighs*. |
| 18:14.11 | trui | i guess i could make my own safe rm and mv commands which auto pass -n for move and -I for rm. |
| 18:14.30 | greycat | Don't override "mv" or "rm" because you'll teach yourself bad habits. |
| 18:14.40 | greycat | You can use a new name. |
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| 18:15.07 | trui | that's what i mean. make a new name which aliases to auto passed versions. |
| 18:15.29 | trui | erm, wrong wording but anyways. |
| 18:15.59 | trui | i'm not sure how you'd override them without screwing up scripts, so now you've got me curious though. |
| 18:16.59 | greycat | your aliases and functions that you define in .bashrc are NOT used by scripts |
| 18:17.09 | trui | are there commands like this already? or i guess the non-technical user is assumed to not be ssh'd into their system and organizing their files with the terminal. |
| 18:17.36 | greycat | I always assume everyone is using a shell as the gods of unix intended. |
| 18:18.05 | trui | well, if everyone is using a shell, then yeah, maybe there should be other, safer commands. |
| 18:18.25 | greycat | You just need to be less scatterbrained. |
| 18:18.38 | trui | since when not using scripts you almost always want mv -n or rm -I. |
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| 18:18.55 | alexrelis[m] | How to I connect to the network when my system doesn't have network manager installed? |
| 18:18.57 | greycat | I don't even know what those options do. |
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| 18:19.12 | greycat | I'm guessing they're similar to -i (in each case). |
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| 18:19.25 | trui | you can claim 'you're ssh'd into your system, so you should know better' but we were talking about everyone using the shell |
| 18:19.39 | sney | alexrelis[m]: again, for help with testing, please join us in #debian-next on OFTC (note, right now you are on freenode). |
| 18:19.42 | greycat | You burn your fingers on the stove once or twice, and then you learn not to touch it again. |
| 18:19.59 | trui | -n prevents overwriting a file with the same name and -I prompts you if it's recursive or if you're deleting more than 3 files. |
| 18:20.12 | trui | for mv and rm |
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| 18:20.38 | alexrelis[m] | sney: I don't have an OFTC. |
| 18:20.50 | trui | oftc is just an irc network, like freenode |
| 18:21.00 | trui | you're on freenode now |
| 18:21.03 | sney | there are matrix people there all the time, I assure you it's possible |
| 18:21.04 | alexrelis[m] | I'm on Matrix. |
| 18:21.16 | alexrelis[m] | Oh |
| 18:21.29 | trui | ah, right, i forgot what the m meant. but regardless. |
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| 18:26.06 | Ede|Popede | in social networks such a letter usually has a different meaning, indeed. |
| 18:26.42 | greycat | I just have /ignore *[m] |
| 18:29.18 | alexrelis[m] | What networking system does the Debian installer use by default? |
| 18:29.49 | alexrelis[m] | (Not testing related because I installed with Buster's installer) |
| 18:30.41 | sney | there are a few available tools for configuring the network without a gui, most docs refer to ifupdown. see man 5 interfaces |
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| 18:33.17 | sway | I am using the Mate DE and would like to edit the menu (I've created some desktop launchers and would like to park them appropriately). Google hits reference a menu editor but I cannot find one installed ? Is there such a beast in the repo's ? |
| 18:33.19 | alexrelis[m] | Big issue rn |
| 18:33.40 | alexrelis[m] | I ran man 5 interfaces. And it says /usr/bin/man input/output error. |
| 18:34.07 | alexrelis[m] | Is my SSD dead the second I bought it? |
| 18:34.57 | sney | could be, any more i/o errors in dmesg? |
| 18:36.22 | alexrelis[m] | sney: I get more errors when I sudo and dsmesg. |
| 18:36.29 | alexrelis[m] | dmesg* |
| 18:36.58 | sney | out of memory somehow? free -m? |
| 18:37.17 | alexrelis[m] | sney: input output error when I run that too |
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| 18:38.05 | sney | find yourself a diagnostic livecd and test the disk. if it is bad, at least the warranty is fresh |
| 18:38.49 | alexrelis[m] | Too bad most live USBs won't even boot because the hardware is so new........... |
| 18:39.31 | sway | Check cabling and/or try smartctl - just a thought. |
| 18:40.32 | alexrelis[m] | Thanks |
| 18:41.54 | alexrelis[m] | I'm sorry for bothering you guys. I'm under extreme stress and I hate typing on my phone and it's extremely claustrophobic when I have to set up networking on a system without the proper drivers for networking. |
| 18:42.18 | alexrelis[m] | And on a system that might even be faulty by default. |
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| 18:42.47 | sney | UBCD is still updated as of Aug 2020, so unless that system has some terrifying new uefi standard, it'll boot |
| 18:43.06 | eb0t | most systems should boot from a live usb |
| 18:43.22 | eb0t | no matter how new it is |
| 18:44.09 | eb0t | i personally like system rescue cd |
| 18:44.10 | greycat | some of them, you have to go into the firmware ("BIOS") first |
| 18:44.16 | eb0t | which i think is gentoo |
| 18:44.16 | sney | live images that use an older linux kernel can be hairy with super-new hardware. but ubcd is just a bootloader with some duct tape to run standalone diag tools, it's not complex enough to have that problem |
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| 18:45.19 | eb0t | stick it in then boot from usb and have a sniff around and a few journalctls |
| 18:45.31 | eb0t | to see what is happening |
| 18:46.03 | eb0t | check the new disk is seen and recognized and set up correctly |
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| 18:46.46 | eb0t | lsusb lsblk etc |
| 18:47.56 | alexrelis[m] | I ran smartctl and it said no errors so I might be good. I think I might've configured btrfs wrong. |
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| 18:52.00 | n4dir | wondering how long that btrfs hype will last ... |
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| 18:53.23 | ratrace | what hype? |
| 18:55.59 | n4dir | any given IRC log will probably explain it |
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| 19:02.11 | sway | I think my question got lost in the fog. Any one know of a MATE menu editor (google says one exists, but I am not finding it). |
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| 19:02.51 | sway | For Debian, that is. Plenty of hits for Ubuntu. |
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| 19:13.50 | trui | have you looked up those hits in the debian repositories? sway !deb packagename on duckduckgo.com |
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| 19:17.49 | sway | trui, I'm new to Debian so chances are I am holding this wrong. I tried apt search mate-menu-editor and got no results. I guess if push develops into shove, I could use the dconf editor. |
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| 19:19.24 | jmcnaught | sway: "apt search mate menu edit" found a package named mozo, alacarte is another one. |
| 19:19.39 | JackFrost | ,i menulibre |
| 19:19.41 | judd | Package menulibre (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: advanced FreeDesktop.org compliant menu editor. Version: 2.2.0-2; Size: 147.2k; Installed: 1439k; Homepage: https://launchpad.net/menulibre; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/menulibre |
| 19:21.47 | sway | Ok - so I need to try harder next time. Many thanks for the pointers. And Happy Christmas to all. |
| 19:22.14 | trui | happy Christmas/holidays :) |
| 19:25.48 | alexrelis[m] | How can I configure the Debian installer to encrypt the partition but without LVM? |
| 19:25.57 | alexrelis[m] | trui: Merry Christmas!! |
| 19:26.12 | trui | i've been having some weird rsync issues which are probably self inflicted, but i'm wondering what i'm messing up that i didn't before. i've tried rsync -av dir backupdrive/dir and rsync -av dir backupdrive/dir, but both create backupdrive/dir/dir for some reason. is it rsync -av dir backupdrive/ or what am i getting wrong? |
| 19:26.29 | sney | trui: yes, trailing slash |
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| 19:26.59 | trui | somehow i typod that. rsync dir drive/dir and dir drive/dir/ don't seem to work. |
| 19:27.14 | trui | so it's backupdrive/ ? |
| 19:27.25 | sney | rsync dir/ drive/dir |
| 19:27.48 | trui | hmm, so the trailing slash in the source is the important bit? |
| 19:28.24 | trui | will try, thanks, sney |
| 19:28.26 | sney | np |
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| 19:31.34 | trui | yeah, that's already looking better. the story of this mess-up is kind of amusing. i used to just reverse search my history to reuse the command, but then i decided i wanted to limit my bash history for some reason so i had to find the right command again when i forgot. and then i made a memo in a file, which apparently was a wrong memo. |
| 19:31.52 | trui | fixes the memo |
| 19:35.11 | trui | i had /dir1 /dir2 in my notes when it should have been dir1/ dir2. oops. well, all is well now. |
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| 19:36.57 | trui | (or src/ dest) |
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| 19:46.45 | trui | people are probably just busy, but this is the problem with Debian being so upgradable. you rarely have to use the installer, haha... alexrelis[m] |
| 19:47.42 | trui | and if you're installing Debian a lot, people often don't bother with it as well |
| 19:48.37 | asterismo | well, i decided to compile a custom kernel to see if i can fix the suspend/hibernation problem in my system |
| 19:50.42 | trui | s/problem/downside/ |
| 19:50.47 | trui | good luck, asterismo |
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| 19:54.28 | unixbsd | No Problem that debian is so much polluted by google, facebook, and all things. After default installation of debian for a classic desktop, here how it looks : https://i.postimg.cc/HWcfhDzD/debian-is-polluted.png why not to remove all those FB things from all your packages? amazon, fb,... for a free open distro?? |
| 19:55.27 | trui | that's firefox that's polluted, not Debian, unixbsd |
| 19:55.43 | ratrace | unixbsd: if you want to remove pollution, start wiht /part, then cut your internet cable. most of that tech is "polluted" by google, facebok, ibm, redhat, and other BigCorp |
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| 19:56.07 | ratrace | you couldn't be here asking this, without that "pollution" |
| 19:56.19 | trui | as in, it'll be polluted no matter where you install vanilla firefox. Windows, Apple, freebsd, etc. |
| 19:56.37 | trui | but you can just remove those top sites yourself |
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| 19:58.54 | unixbsd | on a free, Linux, based on main, what else than pollution might it be? |
| 19:59.09 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 19:59.19 | greycat | Merry troll-free Christmas to me. |
| 19:59.23 | ratrace | lol |
| 19:59.28 | ratrace | wet dreams? |
| 20:00.20 | ratrace | I'm just wondering here if unixbsd will have a heart attack when they learn of who wrote the majority of kernel code ... |
| 20:00.33 | ratrace | (and how much of it is patented) |
| 20:01.05 | unixbsd | I join the foss spirit, but I fear your note about who wrote it. |
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| 20:01.59 | ratrace | unixbsd: will you guess or google for "linux kernel top contributors"? I must warn you, the list is _scary_ :)) |
| 20:02.54 | unixbsd | seriously, ... then, we shall be thankful? good and bad. :( |
| 20:04.11 | ratrace | "we" should stop being a git and lambasting the _LINK_, and nothing more, to top sponsors in Facebook. Nobody took your freedom, it's a _LINK_ ffs. |
| 20:04.23 | ratrace | in *Firefox lol |
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| 20:04.49 | ratrace | and guess what happens when you open a Private mode window. (hint: no links) |
| 20:05.06 | ratrace | so if THAT offends you ...... just cut the internet cable right now! |
| 20:05.10 | unixbsd | just ... enormous quantity of ads and propaganda to use closed source software. |
| 20:05.27 | ratrace | .... by corps that are TOP FOSS contributors |
| 20:05.34 | alexrelis[m] | Is it possible to unlock an encrypted volume in busybox? |
| 20:05.42 | ratrace | LUKS encrypted? aye |
| 20:06.13 | ratrace | maybe I jumped to conclusions .... I assumed immediately you meant busybox shell in the initramfs. |
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| 20:07.17 | alexrelis[m] | I'm talking about busybox in the Debian installer. |
| 20:07.28 | alexrelis[m] | Which could mean initramfs. I don't really know. |
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| 20:08.23 | ratrace | alexrelis[m]: at any rate, if /sbin/cryptsetup is available, and that's LUKS you're talking about, it should be possible, yes |
| 20:09.05 | alexrelis[m] | You know what? I think I found a better way. |
| 20:09.32 | trui | google at least is paying Mozilla's bills, unixbsd. i don't know about the others though. |
| 20:10.32 | unixbsd | EU is heavily trying to get $ from FB, Google, Apple,,..... this is fashion topic today. Isnt it more fair? they dont pay taxes. |
| 20:10.40 | unixbsd | or a little of it. |
| 20:11.12 | trui | trying to get $ for what? violating the law, or is it something else? |
| 20:11.34 | trui | if the former, then maybe they should stop breaking the law. ;) |
| 20:12.05 | trui | i certainly don't have a small enough violin for them |
| 20:12.07 | unixbsd | do they FB... really violate the law? Except snowden, can it be proven...? |
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| 20:12.35 | trui | it's likely that they're violating data protection laws, as they've done in the past |
| 20:12.41 | trui | i haven't kept up with the latest. |
| 20:14.01 | trui | but there's #debian-offtopic for this, unixbsd |
| 20:14.07 | ratrace | EU is not fining them _enough_ |
| 20:15.04 | unixbsd | (Rather than rates of 20-30u, they got for years less than 5-9u (u: %$ unit)) |
| 20:15.17 | trui | doesn't the GDPR scale up healthily with repeat violations? ratrace |
| 20:15.54 | trui | i agree with you of course, but they soon will be |
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| 20:33.57 | wisbit | hi all, merry christmas and everything :) |
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| 20:34.41 | alex11 | merry christmas, all the bad little boys and girls get ubuntu in their stocking rather than coal |
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| 20:35.30 | wisbit | dunno if it's the right place. I set up samba shares on buster, I try to mount them on manjaro through /etc/fstab with cifs, can't write in them. although if go through network --> samba shares --> servername --> shares, no problem at all |
| 20:35.51 | dvs | gives Windows to them! |
| 20:36.05 | wisbit | ubuntu... yup, better than windows fosho |
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| 20:37.05 | wisbit | my mom had a completely virused malwared slow windows laptop ... every idiot that came by told her to update this, install that, she had 3 antivirus, just stupid non sense |
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| 20:37.19 | wisbit | took 25 minutes just to turn it on |
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| 20:37.39 | wisbit | i dropped by with my freshly flashed manjaro kde usb key and bam, as new |
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| 20:41.25 | archaeopter | How would i go about compressing my btrfs system with zstd3? The wiki hints at a command but i dont get the rest of it under ' What's the precedence of all the options affecting compression? 'https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Compression |
| 20:42.14 | greycat | there's a #btrfs channel that might know more than we do |
| 20:44.23 | archaeopter | Why did noone say that when i first was here hours ago lol |
| 20:44.29 | archaeopter | thx tho |
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| 21:12.00 | trui | probably because we didn't know about the btrfs channel, or at least i didn't. |
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| 21:16.09 | ratrace | if it exists, there's irc channel of it |
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| 21:26.12 | asterismo | i'm trying to compile a kernel but i'm getting this error, dpkg-buildpackage: fail: debian/rules build subprocess returned exit status 2 |
| 21:26.22 | asterismo | what kind of error is this? |
| 21:26.32 | asterismo | compiler? dependency? |
| 21:26.36 | trui | except if you're Mozilla, ratrace |
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| 21:45.21 | squirrel | while installing debian, i'm told that "Some of your hardware needs non-free firmware files to operate". i put the requested files onto ntfs-formatted usb stick, but it doesn't see it. are there more detailed instructions somewhere? |
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| 21:48.10 | trui | try formatting it as fat32, squirrel |
| 21:48.17 | Brigo_ | squirrel, ntfs is not supported during the installing process. |
| 21:48.51 | Brigo_ | squirrel, eve better use the non-official image with firmware included: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 21:49.28 | trui | also, i forget how the folder structure (or lack thereof) needs to be. |
| 21:50.19 | trui | non official image is also a good option. i did use the usb method myself successfully though. i came across the ntfs thing as well, haha. |
| 21:51.19 | trui | the official non-official image, Brigo_ ;) |
| 21:51.38 | Brigo_ | trui, exactly that :D |
| 21:51.53 | trui | certainly don't use an unofficial unofficial image. |
| 21:52.42 | squirrel | thanks! i guess this image containing firmware would be the best. i see there are some various de(?)s, gnome/lxde/mate/etc, what'd be the most lightweight? i'm looking at runnings this on a 1gb machine |
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| 21:54.49 | trui | i use openbox, haha, but lxde probably, squirrel |
| 21:54.56 | Brigo_ | squirrel, i would try openbox, thought is quite simple, maybe lxde/mate will be more complete, but with 1G i think openbox. |
| 21:55.34 | squirrel | i don't think there's an iso with openbox is there? |
| 21:55.42 | trui | lxde will be fine |
| 21:55.56 | unixbsd | I use evilwm ;) |
| 21:55.57 | trui | you can click openbox at the login screen |
| 21:56.39 | trui | so just use lxde, see if that works for you, and you can try logging in with openbox later. you don't even need to install anything additional since lxde uses openbox |
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| 21:57.38 | squirrel | alright i'll get the lxde iso then thanks! |
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| 21:58.26 | trui | openbox doesn't have a taskbar by default, so if you try it, you might think it's still loading when you see just the debian wallpaper, but that's it, squirrel |
| 21:58.44 | squirrel | aha i see, thanks |
| 21:59.00 | trui | so most people install a panel like tint2 with it. but lxde might be fine on its own. |
| 22:00.02 | tinga | I've got >20 years of experience using Linux and this question is stumping me: what network file system should I use for a home file server if I want it to be encrypted and it should be painless for the client side user? AFAICT sshfs doesn't work for this. And I know of no encrypted network shares not going through ssh. |
| 22:00.51 | trui | you can even use openbox with the lxde panel, which i'm doing right now, haha. |
| 22:01.20 | Brigo_ | tinga, i don't know, but encryption and painless don't work well together :) |
| 22:01.37 | tinga | To be clear: I want the connection to be encrypted; server side should allow for sharing of files between multiple clients. With different uid server side, i.e. separated permissions. |
| 22:01.39 | trui | if you do try the openbox login, just right click on the desktop for the menu, squirrel. but i'd definitely try lxde first. it's a more polished experience. |
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| 22:02.32 | tinga | Brigo_, there's no need for it to be painful because of the encryption. The only added need is for a signature check. That's trivial compared to all the other issues that sshfs has. |
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| 22:05.02 | tinga | The painful bits about sshfs is (1) linux file managers generally don't know about it, (2) the desktops usually don't know how to unmount a fuse based mount, (3) sshfs uses a single TCP connection, if the network connection breaks, it leaves a stale mount IIRC, (4) server side symlinks are appearing with the identical target on the client side which doesn't make sense, (5) server side UIDs appear with the same UID client side which |
| 22:05.02 | tinga | doesn't make sense. There may be more. |
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| 22:05.47 | tinga | (re 3: what I mean is, AFAIK it doesn't transparently reconnect once it can, and there's no way to signal to the user what's going on.) |
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| 22:06.58 | tinga | If there's no encrypted network fs alternative, what would you suggest I do for tunneled smbfs (presumably, I fear NFS has some of the same issues I listed above)? |
| 22:07.30 | tinga | Again in a way that a Linux user who doesn't know the command line can mount and use the file share. |
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| 22:09.54 | Brigo_ | tinga, sorry if i made you thinking otherwise, but when i said "i don't know" i meant it. |
| 22:10.07 | tinga | Yeah, I was thinking maybe someone else. |
| 22:10.42 | tinga | Otherwise, just to rubber duck. |
| 22:12.55 | fuxxy | I'm currently on latest Buster (all packages up to date). I've attempted to remove my backported deluge=2.0.3 install, in order to reinstall deluge=1.3.15. I've removed the deluge* packages, removed references to the backport repo, then 'apt-get update' and installed {deluge-common,deluged,deluge-web} from the buster repo. Now when running deluge, i'm being met with the error message "pkg_resources.DistributionNotFound: The 'Deluge' distribution was not |
| 22:12.56 | fuxxy | found and is required by the application". |
| 22:13.41 | fuxxy | Does this make any sense to anyone? Python issue? |
| 22:14.04 | Brigo_ | fuxxy, maybe you need to downgrade some library too. |
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| 22:18.19 | fuxxy | 2.0.3 from testing requires python3, python3-libtorrent. 1.3.15 from buster requires python, python-libtorrent. I've already removed python3-libtorrent and made sure python-libtorrent was installed. I've also verified that python-2.7 was the default python with update-alternatives |
| 22:20.58 | Brigo_ | fuxxy, https://forum.deluge-torrent.org/viewtopic.php?t=55576 |
| 22:21.21 | trui | have you tried dpkg-reconfigure deluge ? (if you haven't configured anything special that you want to keep). idk |
| 22:21.51 | fuxxy | Brigo_, I've already verified update-alternatives specifies python2.7 as default |
| 22:22.04 | fuxxy | trui, I have not. I can back up the folder and test |
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| 22:24.24 | trui | it's just something that's worked for me for some packages. no idea about deluge though |
| 22:26.18 | fuxxy | hmm, here's an oddity. I have both a /usr/local/bin/deluged as well as /usr/bin/deluged |
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| 22:27.42 | mrkramps | fuxxy, installed a newer version of deluged with python pip? |
| 22:28.07 | fuxxy | mrkramps, no, I backported a package by hand |
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| 22:29.04 | mrkramps | so dpkg -L backported package should tell you |
| 22:29.05 | JackFrost | Just to ensure, dpkg -l | grep deluge and check versions? I too have 3.0.x on buster. ;3 |
| 22:31.08 | fuxxy | JackFrost, all are 1.3.15-2 |
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| 22:32.48 | mrkramps | fuxxy, how did you backport the package? |
| 22:33.18 | squirrel | ...wew, great, it boots and wifi and even touch screen works! i forgot to mention that this was a tablet |
| 22:33.22 | fuxxy | I honestly don't rememeber. I do remember it was an arduous process. |
| 22:33.34 | squirrel | does lxde have a tablet mode? what de is good for tablets? |
| 22:34.48 | mrkramps | fuxxy, does deluged have a --version switch on the command line? |
| 22:35.09 | fuxxy | mrkramps, it does, if it runs. |
| 22:37.15 | mrkramps | fuxxy, point is, it looks like you have two versions installed, probably buster package in /usr and your backport in /usr/local |
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| 22:37.51 | fuxxy | mrkramps, well, I know definitively that 2.0.3 was installed in /usr/local |
| 22:37.56 | fuxxy | so I deleted those outright. |
| 22:38.19 | JackFrost | Purge deluge, updatedb, locate deluge ? :P |
| 22:38.19 | fuxxy | I'm thinking the dpkg-reconfigure put the binaries in their proper place |
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| 22:48.10 | fuxxy | well shit. |
| 22:48.31 | fuxxy | got it working with the /usr/bin binaries. I still appear to have lost my config |
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| 23:16.11 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 23:16.36 | mrkramps | hi Azrael_- , what did you broke for christmas? |
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| 23:17.25 | Azrael_- | can't really make sense of your question |
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| 23:19.06 | Azrael_- | i want to use rar2fs in buster but it seems like there is no package available. is there any better/easier option compared to self compile it? |
| 23:19.24 | mrkramps | Azrael_-, probably because my question was gramatically wrong ⦠like compelety wrong |
| 23:26.04 | jhutchins | Azrael_-: I know that rar compression is not free software. Is the filesystem related? |
| 23:26.10 | jhutchins | !rar |
| 23:26.10 | dpkg | Roshal ARchive (RAR) is a proprietary archive file format used mostly by 3l33+ war3z d00dz. To extract, use either "rar", "unrar" or "p7zip-rar" in non-free, ask me about <non-free sources>. "unrar-free" in main cannot extract RAR3 archives. The rar package can create archives, but costs money (see the license). See also <unar>. http://www.rarlab.com/ http://www.unrarlib.org/faq.html |
| 23:26.21 | mrkramps | rar2fs is a FUSE plugin |
| 23:26.32 | mrkramps | like mounting rar archives as file systems |
| 23:28.11 | jhutchins | ,v rar2fs |
| 23:28.12 | judd | No package named 'rar2fs' was found in amd64. |
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| 23:40.04 | Azrael_- | ok, thanks. any suggestions wether to go for libfuse or libfuse3? |
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| 23:51.03 | Sarcutus | Hello ... I have a problem (go figure). I downloaded an unofficial (non-free) Debian live installer and flashed it to a USB drive. When it came time to fire up the live session, it crashed and dumped me to a shell. I tried pottering about in there, but /dev didn't help and /proc/diskstats didn't help ... Help! :\ |
| 23:55.03 | fuxxy | so you're saying the LiveUSB crashes, and you never get debian installed? |
| 23:55.58 | Sarcutus | fuxxy: That's correct. It could be that I didn't run sync after I flashed it ... on that note, I just got done doing exactly that (flashed it, then ran sync) but it's hard to know |
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| 23:56.38 | fuxxy | Do you ever get the screen to pick the type of installer you want to run? (GUI, failsafe, CLI, etc) |
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| 23:58.20 | Sarcutus | fuxxy: I do. Yes, I do. |
| 23:58.59 | fuxxy | You may have had a video hardware or framebuffer issue. Attempt again, but this time use the CLI installer. |
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| 23:59.28 | Sarcutus | fuxxy: Thanx |
