| 00:00.39 | droid3 | so its in the package i thought it was a feature of the hosting site you signup/host the deb file /ppa repo site |
| 00:00.41 | droid3 | ? |
| 00:00.55 | droid3 | on |
| 00:01.22 | tp43_ | You see, I created a .vimrc file and added a few items, but then I lost all the default config like syntax highlighting and stuff. So now I have to re-type it all but I was hoping just to append to existing, or find existing and copy over to my newly created .vimrc |
| 00:01.32 | sney | jmcnaught: it is in apt, see http://cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org/debian/dists/buster/main/dep11/. don't spend too much time on this one though, they asked the same question yesterday/a few days ago and seem to have retained none of it |
| 00:04.19 | tp43_ | You know what, like 10-15 years ago, when I first started using linux, people were like, man pages are expiring and getting replaced with info pages. But it is still man pages now. |
| 00:05.02 | sney | tp43_: GNU really wanted everyone to use info instead, yeah. I guess simplicity and/or habit won that one |
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| 00:07.29 | tp43_ | sney, thx for reply |
| 00:08.03 | sney | I don't know anything about gvim though, if it's not behaving like regular vim maybe there's something in readme.debian |
| 00:08.05 | sney | !readme.debian |
| 00:08.06 | dpkg | README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration. |
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| 00:08.39 | tp43_ | sney, I found it in the man page, /usr/shar/vim/vimrc which says $vimruntime/debian.vim |
| 00:09.47 | sney | ah, there you go |
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| 00:10.51 | tp43_ | no man, got me running in circles |
| 00:12.11 | droid3 | how the heck do you use appstreamcli anybody got any example DEP or yml xml files |
| 00:12.11 | jmcnaught | tp43_: there's a note at the top of /usr/share/doc/vim/NEWS.Debian.gz that might be relevant to what you are doing. |
| 00:12.43 | tp43_ | jmcnaught, thx let me see |
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| 00:15.10 | droid3 | what the f is this monkey shit |
| 00:15.16 | droid3 | appstreamcli refresh-cache --force |
| 00:15.40 | tp43_ | what/where is $VIMRUNTIME |
| 00:15.46 | droid3 | all it is , is putting an custom icon and screenshots for the software center to dispaly wtf |
| 00:15.52 | droid3 | how is this complicated |
| 00:17.19 | tp43_ | oooh, never mind, I tried $echo $VIMRUNTIME in bash, but it works in vim instead |
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| 00:23.57 | tp43_ | Thanks jmcnaught, found it. /usr/share/vim/vim81/defaults.vim |
| 00:24.27 | tp43_ | So system V was a big change. Biggest change in the history of debian? At least last decade right? |
| 00:24.46 | jmcnaught | tp43_: are you going to edit that file? Because that file would just get replaced next time the package owning it is upgraded. |
| 00:25.09 | tp43_ | jmcnaught, I copied it to ~/.vimrc |
| 00:25.49 | jmcnaught | cool |
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| 00:37.42 | tp43_ | You guys have all already discussed system V to exhaustion. I came late to the party. Damn, I wish I was here earlier. |
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| 00:39.32 | jmcnaught | System V from 1983? If you are looking to chat there is #debian-offtopic, we try to keep it to Debian tech support in this channel. |
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| 00:46.05 | quadrathoch2 | jhutchins will do! |
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| 01:05.21 | hendursaga | Why does firewalld require iptables? I thought we were trying to phase out iptables.. |
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| 01:06.48 | sney | hendursaga: firewalld doesn't depend on iptables on either buster or bullseye. (on the latter, it does depend on python3-nftables) |
| 01:07.55 | hendursaga | sney: Maybe it's Raspbian then?? |
| 01:08.19 | sney | hendursaga: however, all of these tools are just frontends to netfilter, the linux kernel firewall. the iptables tools are being phased out by upstream, but you're still using the same kernel firewall regardless |
| 01:08.22 | sney | yes, maybe |
| 01:08.24 | sney | !raspbian |
| 01:08.24 | dpkg | Raspberry Pi OS (previously called Raspbian) is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support. https://www.raspbian.org/ |
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| 01:16.08 | hendursaga | Hmmm. I suppose the Raspberry Pi Debian images do not come with encryption? Is there an installer? |
| 01:17.17 | sney | I think the debian rpi images are built using debootstrap, so you could probably do the same. |
| 01:17.59 | hendursaga | Really? I'm not sure. https://salsa.debian.org/raspi-team/image-specs |
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| 01:19.30 | sney | "The recipe drives vmdb2, the successor to vmdebootstrap. " so a variant, anyway. |
| 01:20.02 | hendursaga | Hmmm. Interesting. |
| 01:20.17 | PyR3X | Hello, I keep connecting/reconnecting to my VPN and I notice the link number keeps increasing without being reclaimed (i.e. Link 35 (tun0)) and the next time I stop/start it is Link 36 tun0 will this be a problem or should it be reclaimed? |
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| 01:27.41 | hendursaga | I'm beginning to not really like RPi after all. |
| 01:29.01 | sney | they're useful devices, but not nearly as universal as advertised |
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| 01:29.57 | hendursaga | Next time I'll stick with pine64 products, I guess |
| 01:31.48 | hendursaga | This article seems promising: https://2names1scott.com/docs/debootstrap.html |
| 01:34.47 | hendursaga | For the cfdisk part, do I have both partitions as primary? |
| 01:34.50 | sney | that all looks sane, at a glance |
| 01:35.20 | sney | cfdisk is a little crusty but yes, no logical partitions needed when you only have 2 |
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| 01:36.56 | hendursaga | Well, it worked. |
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| 01:50.22 | hendursaga | The cfdisk part anyway. Still working through the rest. |
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| 02:46.01 | droid3 | curious what is launchpad in relation to the debian main repos and repos that show up by default on software center? |
| 02:46.30 | droid3 | I am a bit confused who exactly host the main repos for distros |
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| 02:47.15 | droid3 | and what repos have the ability to appstream to have custom icons and screenshots for there packages when you search for them in software center |
| 02:47.58 | droid3 | i imagine each major distro in the debian branch would have there own cloned /mirrored over via rsync thing and then modified |
| 02:48.13 | droid3 | or perhaps create there own independent repos from scratch |
| 02:48.45 | droid3 | But which repos get appstream /custom icons /screenshot features when you search thru it with a gui package manager???? |
| 02:49.55 | droid3 | And if launchpad is just for like a ubuntu variant of debian and its not a major thing ... then it probably be more generally distributed if you put it in a debian main repo right? |
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| 02:50.31 | droid3 | I debate because if one uses different repos by default then it wouldnt matter if you put it in the most general debian repo |
| 02:50.34 | droid3 | top level |
| 02:51.07 | droid3 | however if its in the top level its probably incorporated into any lower level or major distro variants as well. |
| 02:51.29 | themill | there is no relationship between launchpad and Debian |
| 02:51.30 | droid3 | Just kind of wondering the best place to have your deb,rpm ,...etc packages host |
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| 02:53.31 | droid3 | so then what exactly is the point of launchpad repos |
| 02:54.13 | droid3 | ubuntu has its own main repos and if i was targeting only ubuntu debian based OS i try to get my code in those repos |
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| 02:55.12 | droid3 | obviously the ubuntu main repos are what the software center app is using to display the major default software to choose from. |
| 02:55.57 | droid3 | I mean sure you can add more repo locations but by default its the ubuntu repo that the software center defaults to naturally when installing ubuntu |
| 02:56.30 | droid3 | and its probably debian repos that a pure debian distro would default to with there gui package manager |
| 02:56.59 | themill | If you want to talk about ubuntu, you'd be asking #ubuntu |
| 02:57.01 | droid3 | so i would have to try to get my software into each individual main/default repo for all the different major distros |
| 02:57.33 | droid3 | Well my main point is how do you get good software into all the main repos for all the major distros |
| 02:57.39 | droid3 | in a reasonable manner |
| 02:57.57 | droid3 | you cannt go around doing it individually for each distro or each major repo |
| 02:57.58 | themill | You do quite a lot of work to make sure that they are up to an appropriate quality and you work with that distro to include it |
| 02:58.20 | droid3 | and even if you could i would be lost in figuring out where all the major repos for everything are located. |
| 02:58.24 | themill | There is no cross-distro way of doing this because each distro is different enough. |
| 02:58.42 | themill | (also, not debian user support, which is what #debian is for) |
| 02:59.50 | droid3 | ok well then i guess the thing to do is target the most popular linux distros and try to get it into there default /main repos first with the hope that the other linux/unix distros will include or start to think about including your stuff. |
| 03:00.07 | droid3 | because it see it doing well/used by alot of people maybe thats the best way to go. |
| 03:00.39 | droid3 | i thought launchpad would give you away to install to any debian based linux OS by just adding the ppa to your package manager |
| 03:00.41 | Unit193 | If you get it into Debian, Ubuntu will sync it over. |
| 03:01.20 | themill | droid3: PPAs only compile things for Ubuntu, not for Debian or any other distro |
| 03:01.54 | droid3 | but apparently its a shit storm working with launchpad and your not guarenteed with how portable its going to be...and judging by how difficult it is to get ppa to install well on just ubuntu ...i imagine it be forget it zone for other linux/unix distros |
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| 03:02.31 | droid3 | So the only way is to do it for major individual repos |
| 03:02.44 | Unit193 | Launchpad isn't for other distros, at all. For Ubuntu you have `sudo apt-add-repository ppa:droid3/mysoft` |
| 03:02.46 | droid3 | or major individual linux distros |
| 03:03.38 | droid3 | not to try to make a deployment package for all of linux/unix or deployment packages for all of linux/unix... even though the complex package management tools/formats account for doing so its just never going to happen |
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| 03:04.15 | droid3 | is there a equivalent ppa like site like launchpad but for debian |
| 03:04.38 | droid3 | so people can have there own personal repos that others can add to. |
| 03:04.59 | droid3 | or does everything have to go thru the main repos for debian |
| 03:05.30 | themill | !packaging tutorial |
| 03:05.31 | dpkg | The packaging tutorial (https://deb.li/QYyI) and the New Maintainer's Guide (https://deb.li/3DiDA) are good places to start learning about Debian packaging. You should also ask me about <devref> and <policy> to understand how packages should be maintained and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <best practices> <build without helper>. https://www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 03:06.52 | droid3 | is there a service that does that for you and you just upload your code to them to place in the main repo ? |
| 03:07.11 | droid3 | because if its another dput shit storm its going to be a forget about it deal |
| 03:07.49 | droid3 | and yes all your readme are just convoluted bullshit make it difficult to get good code distributed and in the main repo |
| 03:08.28 | droid3 | good code shouldnt need to maintained in my personal opinion if your not going to change anything in it or have different version or dependencies |
| 03:09.21 | droid3 | forget it i think all just host a version control website explaining how you install /use my software maybe even do a youtube video about it to make it easier to just install |
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| 03:10.13 | themill | 1) less with the swearing. 2) less with the ranting. 3) already answered all these questions. 4) it's still not on-topic for #debian. |
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| 05:15.30 | joebobjoe | hi I have a complaint |
| 05:15.59 | joebobjoe | when I do apt search there is an extra newline at the end of its output |
| 05:16.37 | joebobjoe | this take up one of my 24 history rows |
| 05:17.07 | brachamh | can you elaborate? what is the line? |
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| 05:22.33 | alex11 | quick question, x64 is 32 bit and x86_64 is 64 bit... right? |
| 05:22.34 | alex11 | i forget |
| 05:22.44 | joebobjoe | apt search man <- there will be an extra line printed before the next prompt |
| 05:22.52 | joebobjoe | at the end of the results list |
| 05:23.01 | joebobjoe | because a newline is printed after every result |
| 05:23.16 | joebobjoe | two newlines* |
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| 05:24.57 | alex11 | nvm |
| 05:25.47 | xikuuky | Howdy :) |
| 05:25.59 | xikuuky | Just got my Debian box set up |
| 05:30.23 | xikuuky | Is there a debian social channel? |
| 05:30.46 | jmcnaught | xikuuky: #debian-offtopic |
| 05:31.38 | xikuuky | jmcnaught: Thank you! |
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| 06:23.52 | xikuuky | Quick question: I have a two drive system in my laptop, my first drive has a broken Windows installation I want to wipe and replace with more storage space for my linux install. How can I make sure when I wipe the partitions I'm not using anymore that I won't affect my ability to boot back into my system |
| 06:24.51 | xikuuky | The drive with a windows installation has my EFI boot partition and checking the other drive, it shows no boot partition |
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| 06:36.38 | PaulePanter | Hi. |
| 06:36.39 | PaulePanter | E: Release file for http://deb.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/InRelease is not valid yet (invalid for another 1 h 33 min 32 s). Updates for this repository will not be applied. |
| 06:36.42 | PaulePanter | E: Release file for http://debug.mirrors.debian.org/debian-debug/dists/unstable-debug/InRelease is not valid yet (invalid for another 1 h 33 min 32 s). Updates for this repository will not be applied. |
| 06:36.46 | PaulePanter | E: Release file for http://deb.debian.org/debian/dists/experimental/InRelease is not valid yet (invalid for another 1 h 33 min 32 s). Updates for this repository will not be applied. |
| 06:36.50 | PaulePanter | Where should I report this to? |
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| 06:42.16 | PaulePanter | Oh, my local time is incorrect. :( |
| 06:42.19 | PaulePanter | Sorry for the noise. |
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| 06:50.51 | quadrathoch2 | xikuuky as long as you donât delete the esp you should be fine. |
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| 07:30.46 | eoli3n | Hi |
| 07:31.23 | eoli3n | on Debian 10, i use a bridge with DHCP. Since my upgrade last month from debian 9 to 10 i face some periodic network issues |
| 07:31.25 | eoli3n | http://sprunge.us/JaXjtr |
| 07:31.44 | eoli3n | this is my networking.service logs |
| 07:32.04 | eoli3n | you can see that the host can't renew its ip through dhcp |
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| 07:32.29 | eoli3n | at startup (if i reboot) it works well, then after few hours, renew ip fails for some time, then it gets its ip |
| 07:32.42 | eoli3n | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:38.48 | eoli3n | could it be related to avahi-daemon ? |
| 07:38.48 | eoli3n | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1184173 |
| 07:39.22 | eoli3n | why do i even have that s*** installed on my host |
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| 07:44.21 | jelly | eoli3n: that bug is a) from 2015 b) says avahi-daemon is just reacting, not causing the issue |
| 07:45.01 | eoli3n | anyway, i disabled that useless thing |
| 07:45.28 | eoli3n | i never installed it, i'm wondering if debian made the choice to defaulty install it |
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| 07:53.27 | nevivurn | eoli3n: a lot of things depend/recommend on avahi-daemon, including task-desktop |
| 07:53.44 | eoli3n | lets google it |
| 07:54.06 | eoli3n | my host is a server |
| 07:54.41 | eoli3n | and that's a weird choice |
| 07:55.12 | eoli3n | systemd is enough, pulseaudio .. ok, but avahi-daemon ? |
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| 07:55.36 | nevivurn | In general, having avahi won't affect anything negatively. As the other guy said, avahi is (probably) not the cause of your networking problems. |
| 07:56.04 | eoli3n | nevivurn i manage 800 hosts on a subnet, avahi-daemon talks a LOT on the network |
| 07:56.06 | eoli3n | too much |
| 07:56.17 | nevivurn | geh |
| 07:56.19 | eoli3n | but here, yes, it should not be the problem |
| 07:56.25 | eoli3n | for that specific host |
| 07:56.46 | eoli3n | anyway, the choice of making a tool like that default on a distro like debian is questionnable |
| 07:57.52 | nevivurn | eoli3n: if you really want to figure out why it was installed, try something like `aptitude why avahi-daemon` |
| 07:58.14 | eoli3n | any equivalent with apt ? |
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| 07:59.31 | nevivurn | hmm, let me check |
| 07:59.42 | eoli3n | thanks |
| 08:00.33 | nevivurn | I don't see a super simple way of doing it with apt, sorry |
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| 08:01.10 | quadrathoch2 | nevivurn apt-cache, but canât remember which Option, itâs probably whydepends (maybe?) |
| 08:01.37 | DLange | probably apt rdepends avahi-daemon |
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| 08:02.02 | DLange | and guess which one of these you have requested to be installed :) |
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| 08:06.57 | brskq | Hey, I've got an LVM VG which uses nvme1n1p1 as the PV. nvme1n1p1 is the only partition and I'd like to extend it. Is it possible to do that live? nvme1n1 (disk) is already extended. https://bpa.st/S7EA |
| 08:07.21 | eoli3n | DLange guessing is not my thing :) but thanks |
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| 08:13.47 | hadjiszs | o/ |
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| 08:14.42 | nevivurn | brskq: yup, `pvresize /dev/nvmwhatever` |
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| 08:15.53 | nevivurn | ah, resize the partition first with parted/fdisk/whatever, then `pvresize /dev/nvmewhatever` |
| 08:15.55 | brskq | nevivurn, that doesn't resize the underlying partition which holds the PV |
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| 08:18.25 | hadjiszs | I have some issues with `wicd`, `wicd-client` and `wicd-gtk` in particular, these packages seems to be broken no? I am on debian unstable, my problem looks pretty similar to https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=946380 and it seems that one reason wicd has been removed from debian stable(?) |
| 08:18.26 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/946380 in wicd-gtk (open, confirmed): «wicd-gtk does not find gtk modules»; severity: grave; opened: 2019-12-08; last modified: 2020-08-24. |
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| 08:19.52 | hadjiszs | alternatively, is there any easy alterative for wifi without wicd? Network-manager ? But i'm not using gnome nor kde (I'm using i3wm) |
| 08:20.31 | nevivurn | You can use network-manager while not using a full DE |
| 08:20.34 | eoli3n | hadjiszs check connman |
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| 08:35.16 | Haohmaru | ,v qucs |
| 08:35.17 | judd | No package named 'qucs' was found in amd64. |
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| 09:00.11 | punkgeek | How can I install vncserver on debian server wthout encoding? |
| 09:00.49 | punkgeek | Actually I want vnc connection like qemu vnc which is more fast than tightvncserver |
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| 09:06.31 | elwisp | hi, i just rebooted my machine and i got no X starting, Cant see to figure out whats wrong but it looks like it forgot about intel internal drivers |
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| 09:14.26 | elwisp | How can i troubleshoot this? I think its trying to use the nvidia card that i have that is used for pci passthru. The bios got reset and it booted a few times with the internal graphics disabled. Now it cant seem to switch back to the internal one |
| 09:14.44 | elwisp | the nvidia one wont work also because its configured with iommu |
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| 09:20.52 | shtrb | elwisp, you have two error files for X , one at /var/log/Xorg.0.log and the other at ~/.xsession-errors to see some context and to see errors, you can also disable the iommu switch back |
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| 09:24.20 | elwisp | shtrb: i get "number of screens does not match number of detexted devices" in the logfile after running Xorg -configure |
| 09:24.37 | elwisp | gonna try and unplug the screens in the gpu and see what happens |
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| 09:26.37 | elwisp | nope, that did not do the trick. I need to force it to use nvidia somehow i think |
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| 09:31.27 | elwisp | if there was a good way to pipe to pastebin from CLI i could paste the log here. I am pretty sure the answer is in there but i do not know enough about X to read it properly |
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| 09:32.47 | LeMike | hello there. I am searching for ways to optimize my workflows. for this I want to record my voice all day long during working hours. what I don't know is: how to do this on console from 9-18 o'clock? and is my microphone then blocked for other applications? |
| 09:33.00 | ksk | !pastebinit | elwisp |
| 09:33.03 | ksk | !pastebinit |
| 09:33.03 | dpkg | A command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "apt-get install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg 2>&1 | pastebinit". For a list of pastebin sites do "pastebinit -l". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
| 09:33.04 | elwisp | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:33.07 | ksk | elwisp: ^ |
| 09:33.36 | elwisp | ksk thanks |
| 09:33.59 | elwisp | found the termbin however that used with no extra package |
| 09:34.11 | ksk | yeah, thats fine with us, too. |
| 09:34.39 | ksk | elwisp: are you running nviadia? then try checking out https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers -- basicly, install "nvidia-detect" and to as it tells you ;) |
| 09:34.50 | ksk | s/to/do/ |
| 09:35.00 | elwisp | ksk: no i am runnign nvidia for a VM with pci passtru for gaming on windows |
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| 09:35.54 | elwisp | But for the host which is debian 10 i use the intel internal graphics. I accidentally reset bios when doing some mainteanance on a fan and it disabled the internal graphics, so i booted a few times without it before i discovered what was wrong |
| 09:36.33 | ksk | Uhm okay. No idea then sorry, way too advanced setup for me :) |
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| 09:37.22 | ksk | Having GPU Passthrough to Windows is like running these games on windows directly in terms of security btw - they could easily read your linuxes memory, to my understanding. |
| 09:37.49 | ksk | easily as in "by design", not that stuff in the wild is doing that (again, to best of my knowledge) |
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| 09:42.03 | elwisp | The problem here is not the passthrough afaik. Its just that X is confused about which card to use when starting |
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| 09:45.21 | elwisp | Kernel driver in use: vfio-pci on the nvidia card. but also says Kernel modules: nouveau |
| 09:46.39 | elwisp | nouveau is not loaded however. So i guess it tries to use the nvidia card and finds no driver, and thusly cannot start. If my chassi wasnt so tiny i would take out the card to see what happend |
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| 10:18.44 | elwisp | chaning initial gpu seting to gfx from pci-e did the drick |
| 10:18.53 | elwisp | trick* |
| 10:19.16 | elwisp | A reboot and x just came back to life. I shall never doubt debian again :) Only the bios |
| 10:19.49 | ksk | !next |
| 10:19.49 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 10:19.56 | sorcerer | lol |
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| 10:53.01 | ahylight | I see there is an alternative to exfat-fuse, which is samsung's exfat driver and microsoft's exfat driver |
| 10:53.11 | ahylight | how to install these on linux? I have kernel 5.4 |
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| 10:57.49 | ratrace | ahylight: ask your distro |
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| 11:55.03 | diogenes_ | yay 10.7 is here :) |
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| 12:30.48 | deeplogic | can a bash script determine whether it is being executed or sourced ? |
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| 13:00.47 | freem | deeplogic: maybe by checking $0 ? |
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| 14:48.04 | wwilliam | Can anyone tell me how can i fix the following error please? |
| 14:48.06 | wwilliam | http://paste.debian.net/1175929/ |
| 14:49.00 | ratrace | contact docker.com |
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| 14:51.46 | shtrb | lol |
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| 14:56.30 | jelly | wwilliam: maybe run apt-get update |
| 14:56.35 | jelly | it's what apt said! |
| 14:58.04 | wwilliam | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:59.40 | jelly | it has something to do with either corrupted downloads, problems in the network, or broken third party repo |
| 14:59.57 | jelly | clean apt cache and try again |
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| 15:02.45 | wwilliam | Ok jelly Thank you. |
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| 15:04.39 | wwilliam | clean cache, same errors. |
| 15:05.26 | shtrb | could be repo in transition |
| 15:05.33 | jelly | then what rat race said. |
| 15:05.49 | wwilliam | OK, thank you. |
| 15:07.08 | ratrace | you coulda saved last 16 minutes tho :) |
| 15:07.44 | jelly | "show the work" |
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| 15:07.53 | jelly | don't just write down the solution |
| 15:08.50 | jelly | wwilliam: do you have a proxy or government interfering with your network traffic? |
| 15:09.07 | RadoS | j #httpd |
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| 15:13.53 | wwilliam | no jelly |
| 15:15.36 | wwilliam | OK , resolved like this: |
| 15:16.12 | Stonefruit | I am trying to run joplin, a note taking app which uses electron, in debian. it course fails. but one of the suggestions is to run it with the --no-sandbox flag. this sometimes works, and sometimes slows the system down to a crawl. does anyone know why this happens? |
| 15:16.24 | wwilliam | On windowze: bcdedit /set hypervisorlaunchtype off |
| 15:16.57 | wwilliam | Now it did installed docker on debian10 on vm now i have turn that back on or docker will not work, thank you jelly |
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| 15:18.18 | Stonefruit | I read a solution online which involved extracting the appimage files, then using chmod and chown to give root permissions to the chrome-sandbox file. I just tried it and it seems to work, but, what is generally going on? |
| 15:18.28 | Stonefruit | and is there a best practice for running electron apps on debian? |
| 15:21.17 | jelly | skype and teams seem to Just Work⢠for me |
| 15:21.43 | jelly | Stonefruit: how precisely did you install this joplin? |
| 15:21.55 | gnat_x | Stonefruit: I'm not sure what best practice is, but i have seen that recommended. eg the signal desktop client. |
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| 15:24.02 | Stonefruit | jelly: they have some script which downloads an appiamge and then sets up shortcuts, etc. but it doesn't do anything |
| 15:24.39 | jelly | appimage, ok |
| 15:24.47 | Stonefruit | but then if you run it from the command line with --no-sandbox it sometimes works, and sometimes slows the system to a crawl (I don't understand how this is even possible...) |
| 15:25.20 | shtrb | jelly, deb , snap or flaptek ? |
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| 15:27.05 | jelly | shtrb: sorry? |
| 15:27.32 | Stonefruit | I guess that was for me. it is an appimage |
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| 15:27.50 | Stonefruit | I have to admit this is the first time I am using something other than deb. I am not a traditionalist, just severely behind the curve |
| 15:27.55 | shtrb | you said skype just work , but you didn't say where you got it (I listed three options ) - because for me Teams sometimes work and sometimes dont |
| 15:28.21 | shtrb | Stonefruit, have you tried searching it in flatpak ? |
| 15:29.06 | jelly | shtrb: deb packages from vendor |
| 15:29.23 | shtrb | Stonefruit, never mind , searched for you , it's not there :-( |
| 15:29.43 | shtrb | it does exist under snap , but snapd is #%@%@ |
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| 15:30.22 | Stonefruit | shtrb, I've managed to make it run with that workaround (extract the files, set root permissions, then run that binary). someone online even made a very outdated deb package of it. but I am really wondering why electron slows down my system so much |
| 15:30.58 | Stonefruit | I noticed it with a few other apps, but I can't remember which. what is it about electron which is so problematic? |
| 15:30.59 | shtrb | \_()_/ I know I have very high cpu usage with teams sometimes and sometimes not. |
| 15:31.19 | jelly | Stonefruit: perhaps you have a really old CPU with a low amount of cache? (<= 2MB?) |
| 15:31.20 | shtrb | Stonefruit, it could also be some hardware rendering feature to do some intellectually chalenged anymation |
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| 15:33.23 | Stonefruit | I don't think it's the CPU because I do a lot of computationally-intensive stuff, but the animation... maybe. |
| 15:33.36 | Stonefruit | gosh, I just want to take some notes, this is so frustrating :/ |
| 15:34.02 | shtrb | maybe there is a different tool you would like more without appimage ? |
| 15:34.21 | shtrb | I used knotes (over plasma) |
| 15:37.31 | Stonefruit | yeah, I guess that's going to have to be what happens |
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| 15:37.52 | Stonefruit | it is a bit frustrating because I have quite a bit of notes in joplin already, but in principle it's all in plain text |
| 15:38.21 | Stonefruit | IIRC knotes if not hierarchical, otherwise I probably would go for that. |
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| 15:38.51 | Stonefruit | well, thank you everyone. maybe I'll just do it the old-fashioned way: pen and a notebook :) |
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| 15:43.08 | dob1 | I have some user home dirs that are 700, I would like to create an user (not root) that can access to them and read/write files inside them (subdirectories included). I was thinking to use acl on user home dirs, it's a good idea? |
| 15:43.38 | dob1 | *users home dirs |
| 15:46.40 | jelly | dob1: it won't work. Be root. |
| 15:47.29 | dob1 | jelly, I can't |
| 15:47.38 | dob1 | why it wont work? |
| 15:48.14 | jelly | because you need acls on all the directories, and probably all the files, and directories change |
| 15:49.06 | dob1 | jelly, got it.... I have to rethink it then |
| 15:49.43 | jelly | why do you need to read and change existing files? |
| 15:49.58 | jelly | why not use root? |
| 15:50.16 | jelly | what is the exact problem you're trying to solve |
| 15:50.44 | dob1 | jelly, there is a service running, this service will receive some files and the idea is that it will write these files in some dir on user dir, then a program that the user run will read these files |
| 15:50.55 | dob1 | *user dirs |
| 15:51.48 | dob1 | I don't know if I am clear |
| 15:51.52 | jelly | does the service know which user needs access? |
| 15:52.29 | jelly | if you merely need the user to have read access to some specific files, does it matter where they are stored? |
| 15:52.44 | dob1 | the services is a rest services, it receives some files and based on some parameters it knows who is the owner of these files, so in which user dir to put them |
| 15:52.56 | jelly | ie. why would they be stored in user's homes at all |
| 15:53.53 | dob1 | jelly, ok the idea is to store them outside, but my concern is that I don't want other users can look on filesystems so I was thinkin "I put all the stuff in home dir and 700 them" |
| 15:53.56 | jelly | dob1: does each user have their own group? |
| 15:54.35 | dob1 | jelly, their own group |
| 15:55.08 | jelly | dob1: show the output of "id -a somenormaluser" |
| 15:55.26 | dob1 | jelly, I am yet thinking about the setup, I still have to create it |
| 15:56.01 | dob1 | if acl is not the way.... I have to rething it a bit |
| 15:56.07 | dob1 | *rethink |
| 15:56.56 | jelly | dob1: you can use a similar setup as /var/mail does, just group write permission for the service |
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| 15:57.10 | jelly | will the users have shell accounts? |
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| 15:57.58 | jelly | is the service allowed to have a tiny safe setuid component? |
| 15:58.04 | jelly | to write files? |
| 15:58.15 | dob1 | jelly, I am not confident with setuid |
| 15:58.46 | dob1 | the users will have as shell /bin/false but they will login via rdp |
| 15:59.03 | dob1 | they can run applications, not terminals I suppose (from my tests) |
| 16:00.16 | jelly | preventing a user from running arbitrary commands is going to be hard to achieve |
| 16:01.05 | dob1 | my idea is an openbox setup with just the applicaiton I want and as I said /bin/false as shell |
| 16:01.11 | dob1 | imho should be goood |
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| 16:02.11 | jelly | an app server. |
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| 16:02.27 | dob1 | the idea is this |
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| 16:03.15 | jelly | I'd put the files and the rest service on a different system, expose them via sftp only, and maybe automount that over sshfs at login time |
| 16:04.36 | dob1 | jelly, they are on a vps |
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| 16:05.42 | dob1 | jelly, the idea is a single dir where I put the data, not on home dir, and on this one I can use acl, can It work? |
| 16:07.29 | dob1 | similar the /var/mail you suggested |
| 16:07.59 | jelly | dob1: you could also use a specific group-writable subdir in each users's home, and make their home dirs executable just for that group |
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| 16:09.58 | dob1 | jelly, I will have to tests, thanks for the idea |
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| 16:18.29 | jelly | dob1: https://paste.debian.net/1175951/ ... now verify that: user app1 (the service user) can write to /home/test/upload; user test can read and delete and change files in their ~/upload; other normal user can neither read nor write files in ~test/upload even if they know exactly how they're named |
| 16:19.52 | jelly | dob1: oops. forgot one thing: chgrp app1 /home/test |
| 16:21.07 | dob1 | jelly, otherwise it can enter, right? |
| 16:21.11 | dob1 | can't |
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| 16:21.50 | jelly | dob1: now, allowing the service to write to directories other users control is not a great idea. Let's assume your app has config in /etc/app1/app1.conf and that it creates predictable file names |
| 16:21.55 | sponix2ipfw | when I do apt update it stalls at Reading Packages List for what seems like a long time. Is there some maintenance I can do to make that speed up ? |
| 16:22.44 | dob1 | jelly, why not? |
| 16:23.11 | jelly | dob1: what happens if normal user "test" creates a symlink from /home/test/upload/file2020120701.csv to /etc/app1/app1.conf, and the service tries to put a fresh new uploaded file there? |
| 16:23.36 | dob1 | jelly, we return to the start, how can he do this? |
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| 16:23.55 | gnat_x | sponix2ipfw: run udate more frequently. remove some options from your sources (like if you have source packages, but never actually install source pacakges). |
| 16:23.55 | dob1 | he doesn't have a shell |
| 16:24.52 | jelly | dob1: making an environment where a user can't GET a shell somehow is VERY hard |
| 16:25.11 | gnat_x | sponix2ipfw: if it is an unstable/sid system, or pulls in packages from sid, the package lists change a lot. |
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| 16:26.09 | jelly | dob1: it's so hard that it's usually solved by putting the user in an environment where there are no shells at all. A container with just the one app. |
| 16:26.15 | dob1 | jelly, I know I am for sure not a security expert, but I am trying to create some "barriers". For sure there will be skilled users that will evade this similer jail I will create but I don't think these are the target of the app I will propose |
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| 16:29.04 | dob1 | jelly, for every user a docker container? |
| 16:30.09 | jelly | dob1: well, if you give them access to a full blown debian installation it's not going to be a problem. Say you allow rdp access only. Does rdp protocol itself allow for running an arbitrary command at login time? Does it allow for setting an arbitrary shell? |
| 16:30.48 | jelly | I don't know. You have to know all these things. |
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| 16:31.24 | dob1 | jelly, rdp is not exposed directly, I was thinking to use (and I am testing it) apache guacamole so it's another barrier |
| 16:31.58 | dob1 | they can't set anything in the rdp connection |
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| 16:57.17 | sponix2ipfw | gnat_x: when I get home I might experiment with different mirrors. right now I am using the main sites, and they might just be bogged down a bit |
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| 16:59.17 | gnat_x | sponix2ipfw: what step are you noticing the slowdown? iirc the "reading package lists" step happens after you've downloaded the package lists. |
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| 17:02.52 | brm_ | Hi, currently try to use mailvelope + gnupg in debian seems i need to use gpgme-json, any advice to get the packages for that ? many thanks |
| 17:03.15 | sponix2ipfw | gnat_x: Yes, it does - and that is the spot. the actually downloading of the package lists is going quick, that is why it seems odd to me that it hangs right after |
| 17:03.31 | sponix2ipfw | gnat_x: and this is a really new install, talking like a week old or less |
| 17:04.03 | gnat_x | sponix2ipfw: is it stable/testing/sid? |
| 17:04.49 | gnat_x | sponix2ipfw: generally that step is processor and disk io intensive, so the hang may have to do with other stuff happening on the machine. |
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| 17:05.17 | sponix2ipfw | gnat_x: machine is nearly idle. And it is on Debian 10 buster stable |
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| 17:59.12 | jhutchins | sponix2ipfw: The hang after the download is processing all of the lists and updating the database. The latter is pretty resource-intense. |
| 18:00.08 | sponix | jhutchins: going to sound strange, but I changed to more local repo mirrors and it isn't hanging there nearly as long. taking like 1/4 the time it was prior |
| 18:00.26 | sney | that smells like dns |
| 18:00.44 | sponix | never mind, it is doing it again now - made a liar out of me :P |
| 18:01.33 | jhutchins | Well, you should expect that some of the work had already been done, but it may have been some difficulty closing the connection. |
| 18:02.08 | sponix | know what... it is just annoying me a bit, and isn't actually broken - I should probably just leave it alone :P |
| 18:03.31 | jhutchins | ,v php7 |
| 18:03.32 | judd | No package named 'php7' was found in amd64. |
| 18:03.58 | jhutchins | ,v php7.0-cli |
| 18:03.59 | judd | Package: php7.0-cli on amd64 -- stretch-proposed-updates: 7.0.33-0+deb9u7; stretch: 7.0.33-0+deb9u8; stretch-security: 7.0.33-0+deb9u8 |
| 18:04.15 | jhutchins | ,v php7.3-cli |
| 18:04.16 | judd | Package: php7.3-cli on amd64 -- buster: 7.3.19-1~deb10u1; buster-security: 7.3.19-1~deb10u1 |
| 18:04.38 | jhutchins | Which php is on bullseye |
| 18:05.03 | sney | 7.4 on my system |
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| 18:07.08 | rendar | which is the correct one? apt-get -y install or apt-get install -y ? |
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| 18:07.42 | sney | doesn't matter, use what works |
| 18:07.57 | sney | though unless this is in a script, the 'apt' tool is currently recommended instead of apt-get |
| 18:08.11 | greycat | options should always come before non-option arguments, but many GNU or Linux commands let you get away with broken syntax |
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| 18:09.01 | greycat | and as far as apt-get vs. apt for interactive use, use whichever one you prefer. I still prefer apt-get, and will continue to prefer it until there's a way to turn off the horrible colors. |
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| 18:10.16 | rendar | ok |
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| 18:16.40 | mike18 | hi how to install ssh for git on debian? |
| 18:16.43 | mike18 | is it the openssh-server package? |
| 18:17.17 | mutante | mike18: you want to be the user of a git repo or create your own git repo? |
| 18:17.26 | greycat | Yes, you can definitely set up a git repository accessed by ssh, using that package. And git of course. |
| 18:18.10 | mike18 | mutante for: https://support.circleci.com/hc/en-us/articles/360046718853-Checkout-Code-Step-Outputs-Either-git-or-ssh-required-by-git-to-clone-through-SSH-is-not-installed-in-the-image- |
| 18:18.31 | mike18 | oh its openssh-client git |
| 18:18.31 | greycat | Are you trying to clone someone else's repository? |
| 18:18.40 | mutante | mike18: to clone you just need the client. so "openssh-client" but not -server |
| 18:19.09 | mike18 | yeah |
| 18:19.10 | mike18 | i saw |
| 18:19.19 | mike18 | https clone doesnt work any more for some reason |
| 18:19.24 | mike18 | so had to switch to ssh |
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| 18:19.38 | mike18 | until the other team fixes it |
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| 18:21.32 | mutante | mike18: ssh will also allow uploading if that ever becomes interesting for you |
| 18:21.35 | greycat | openssh-client is a "standard" package, by the way, so it's quite likely you already have it, unless you did a bare bones installation |
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| 18:28.31 | mike18 | greycat whats the diff to openssh? |
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| 18:30.01 | greycat | unicorn:~$ apt-cache show openssh |
| 18:30.01 | greycat | N: Unable to locate package openssh |
| 18:30.01 | greycat | E: No packages found |
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| 18:33.27 | shtrb | !paste |
| 18:33.27 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: https://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: https://imgbb.com/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): https://filebin.net or https://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <termbin>. |
| 18:34.03 | jhutchins | mike18: Try rsync |
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| 18:34.16 | mike18 | rsync? |
| 18:35.12 | greycat | He's not asking how to copy large directories full of files around. He's trying to set up a simple git+ssh client. |
| 18:35.28 | greycat | Apparently someone else is handling the server side. |
| 18:37.27 | mike18 | ====>> Checkout codeError: Directory (/go/src/github.com/xxx/xxx) you are trying to checkout to is not empty and not a git repository |
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| 18:37.31 | mike18 | hm |
| 18:39.10 | mutante | mike18: well, at least it says why.. right? So what's in it? Can you just delete it or not? |
| 18:39.26 | mike18 | the eror was not there before.... |
| 18:40.19 | mutante | mike18: do you have actual git command it's running? |
| 18:40.42 | mike18 | no - i thing it will at the checkout in the circleci |
| 18:40.50 | mutante | if it says "not a git repo" I think you'll have to "git pull" or "git init" before you can fetch? |
| 18:41.08 | mutante | once ..to initialize it and turn it into a git repo |
| 18:41.11 | greycat | or just delete the directory that's in the way |
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| 18:41.16 | mutante | yea |
| 18:41.40 | greycat | and you don't want "checkout" for an initial client pull -- you want "clone" |
| 18:42.00 | mutante | ^ that's the real issue, ack |
| 18:42.04 | mike18 | im not sure how the circleci exaclty works |
| 18:42.13 | mutante | replace checkout with clone and it should work |
| 18:42.39 | mutante | well, then you can maybe write a bug report for circleci |
| 18:43.09 | greycat | Git documentation is at https://git-scm.com/book but I don't know anything about your "circle" software. |
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| 18:43.50 | greycat | I'm guessing the "ci" at the end stands for "continuous integration" which is a fancy new buzzword for something that resembles a nightly build system, except that it runs more than once a day. |
| 18:44.04 | mutante | maybe this was using "snv" before where "checkout" is common and then someone migrated it to git |
| 18:44.27 | greycat | I don't know why a person who doesn't even understand how to use "git clone servername:..." to pull a copy of a repo would be setting up a CI though. |
| 18:47.56 | mike18 | greycat https://circleci.com/docs/2.0/configuration-reference/#checkout |
| 18:49.40 | mutante | mike18: ok, so the next step is either "read circleci source code to find out what git commands it actually runs in what it calls the "checkout phase". and/or "report bug to circleci that checkout fails with the "not a git repo" error". afaict |
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| 18:50.29 | mike18 | yeah - but for now how to run it? |
| 18:50.44 | mutante | mike18: but also.. their docs say "if this is not a git repo it will fail" |
| 18:50.53 | mutante | on that page you linked |
| 18:51.08 | mike18 | yeah but in my case it is a git repo |
| 18:51.17 | mutante | you have 2 options.. remove that path and let circleci create the path AND pull |
| 18:51.28 | mutante | or turn the existing path into a git repo yourself and repeat that step |
| 18:51.45 | mike18 | what path? |
| 18:51.45 | mutante | i think the problem is "it exists but is NOT a git repo" |
| 18:51.59 | mutante | where you are trying to "checkout" to |
| 18:52.00 | mike18 | mutante sorry you are to fast - what path? |
| 18:52.03 | greycat | the path that it is complaining to you about |
| 18:52.12 | mutante | you called it: Directory (/go/src/github.com/xxx/xxx) |
| 18:52.31 | mike18 | yeah |
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| 18:52.45 | jhutchins | Is it possible that the problem is on the server end? |
| 18:53.02 | greycat | I'm 90% sure it's a PEBKAC. |
| 18:53.19 | mike18 | mukmuk yeah - that seems to be a local path |
| 18:53.36 | jhutchins | Git can be tricky to get your head around. Once you've gotten it to work it's not hard, but that initial clone can be tricky. |
| 18:53.36 | mutante | mike18: so do you see that path and are there files in it? |
| 18:54.03 | mike18 | before yes - but now i get this error its not going that far |
| 18:54.04 | mutante | mike18: cd to that place and type "git status" to confirm it is or is not a git repo |
| 18:54.52 | greycat | if these suggestions don't illuminate the problems for you, maybe take a few steps back and start from the beginning, and tell us what you're actually trying to do |
| 18:55.27 | greycat | the presence of "github.com" in your obfuscated error message seems to indicate you are NOT in fact setting up a local repository for your development group to work on |
| 18:55.39 | greycat | which confuses me when I see "ci" in a tool name |
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| 18:58.11 | mutante | also a path starting with /go/src is against Filesystem Hierarchy Standard but there are other issues here |
| 18:59.35 | greycat | it's not clear to me whether that's just a local thing they did (which is totally fine -- the FHS is guidelines for operating system vendors, not for users), or whether it's a virtual/containerized path inside of something |
| 18:59.48 | greycat | the obfuscation definitely does not help |
| 18:59.52 | mike18 | mutante greycat i try to use one of there official images - the might fix their bug soon - dont want to rewrite the entire cicd code now |
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| 19:00.08 | greycat | "their" who? |
| 19:01.36 | mike18 | the circleci team |
| 19:02.05 | mutante | mike18: the easiest thing to try is to just delete that directory and run "it" again. if you are not worried to lose any data that is |
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| 19:05.07 | greycat | Why are you trying to use circleci *in the first place*? What does it do? What are you trying to use it for? |
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| 20:20.47 | SalanderLives | What is the process behind the removal of linux-source packages from buster-backports? I was depending on the linux-source-5.4 package (specifically the cloud config file in it) and I notice that it has been removed |
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| 20:23.00 | nkuttler | ,kernels |
| 20:23.01 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.10.0-rc6-686-pae (5.10~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 5.9.0-4-686-pae (5.9.11-1); bullseye: 5.9.0-4-686-pae (5.9.11-1); buster-backports: 5.9.0-0.bpo.2-686 (5.9.6-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-13-686-pae (4.19.160-2); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.19.118-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.19.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.19.152-1~deb9u1); jessie- |
| 20:23.03 | judd | backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.9.210-1+deb9u1~deb8u1) |
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| 20:23.33 | nkuttler | SalanderLives: looks like 5.4 isn't used anywhere any more? |
| 20:24.23 | mrkramps | afaik they do not keep more than the two most recent kernel versions in backports |
| 20:24.24 | nkuttler | there should be a 5.9 package i guess |
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| 20:26.04 | greycat | !snapshot |
| 20:26.04 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces snapshot.debian.net. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 20:26.29 | mike18 | hi |
| 20:26.35 | mike18 | i installed apt-get install python3-pip |
| 20:26.39 | mike18 | how can i run pip now? |
| 20:26.44 | mike18 | pip3? |
| 20:26.50 | sney | !virtualenv |
| 20:26.50 | dpkg | from memory, virtualenv is a python development environment that's separate from global system installed binaries and libraries. https://linuxconfig.org/setting-up-the-python-virtualenv-development-environment-on-debian-linux Always use a virtualenv rather than running <pip> as root. Repeat after me: DO NOT RUN PIP AS ROOT. See <local python> |
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| 21:03.57 | SalanderLives | Thanks everyone who helped me with my linux-source question. I was able to pull the package out of snapshot and then pull the .config out of that manually |
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| 21:55.03 | drl | Some how I have messed up my login terminal. If I try to use history it starts printing and endless number of white boxes--three to a line. When I try to type startx I have to type each letter 2 or more times. How can I fix this? |
| 21:55.25 | greycat | try "reset" (the command, not a button) |
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| 21:57.16 | drl | greycat, can i do that after startx? or do I have to do it before startx? |
| 21:57.33 | greycat | In the afflicted terminal. Whenever. |
| 21:57.50 | greycat | If you are not in the afflicted terminal because it's tied up running an X session, then you'll just have to wait. |
| 21:58.43 | drl | greycat, OK, thanks. |
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