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| 05:37.53 | *** topic/#debian is Current Debian release is buster, 10.6 point release /msg dpkg 10.6; /msg dpkg buster; /msg dpkg stretch->buster; /msg dpkg apt suite changed | Stretch has limited LTS support: /msg dpkg stretch-lts ; /msg dpkg 9.13 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | testing/unstable: #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net | chanlogs: /msg dpkg irclog |
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| 05:39.19 | ChiLLabiS | just textbased stuff works |
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| 05:40.39 | ChiLLabiS | I haven't gotten version 2 to work tho |
| 05:42.33 | ChiLLabiS | even eggdrop works |
| 05:44.30 | derpadmin | if I get my hand on a window license, I might give it a try |
| 05:45.53 | ChiLLabiS | There are cheap ones. I bought a licence for my laptop some months ago for like $25 |
| 05:46.26 | ChiLLabiS | Home-edition tho |
| 05:46.56 | ChiLLabiS | I just googled |
| 05:47.34 | ChiLLabiS | I guess there are pro-versions too |
| 05:51.23 | ChiLLabiS | But i would recommend to buy retail |
| 05:51.51 | jmcnaught | I recommend Debian 10. |
| 05:52.06 | ChiLLabiS | Hehe |
| 05:52.15 | ChiLLabiS | That's what i'm about to install soon |
| 05:53.02 | ChiLLabiS | jmcnaught: I think the dude might wanna game |
| 05:53.15 | ChiLLabiS | derpadmin: Or? |
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| 05:53.46 | derpadmin | I am not gaming |
| 05:53.51 | ChiLLabiS | okok |
| 05:53.54 | derpadmin | currently running debian |
| 05:53.58 | derpadmin | coding is my game :) |
| 05:54.14 | ChiLLabiS | But IF you get a license then? |
| 05:54.16 | derpadmin | (I know, I should get a life) |
| 05:54.38 | derpadmin | If I get a license, I will have an extra useless windows vm/pc |
| 05:54.58 | ChiLLabiS | Hehe ok |
| 05:55.02 | derpadmin | will make a powershell script lol |
| 05:55.17 | ChiLLabiS | I'm not good at scripting at all |
| 05:55.29 | derpadmin | I had a cool one to scan the wifi |
| 05:55.34 | ChiLLabiS | I only know some linux stuff but when it comes to Windows im all noob |
| 05:55.42 | derpadmin | it sent me alerts when an unknown mac was on my wifi |
| 05:56.09 | ChiLLabiS | cool |
| 05:58.07 | ChiLLabiS | Kali-Linux got a WSL on Win10 too. Speaking of haxing |
| 06:04.36 | ChiLLabiS | Damn now i dont know which DE to choose |
| 06:05.00 | ChiLLabiS | GNOME is good, XFCE is kinda cool for themes and stuff... |
| 06:06.47 | derpadmin | went back to kde after years |
| 06:06.51 | derpadmin | can't complain |
| 06:06.59 | ChiLLabiS | I like KDE too |
| 06:07.11 | ChiLLabiS | Maan... this is hard to choose |
| 06:07.48 | derpadmin | you can make yourself nice scripted notifications with kde :P |
| 06:08.10 | ChiLLabiS | that's like elite stuff for me |
| 06:08.20 | ChiLLabiS | All my scripts is just commands |
| 06:08.27 | ChiLLabiS | kinda amature |
| 06:08.38 | ChiLLabiS | but i havn't learned anything else |
| 06:08.47 | ChiLLabiS | maybe i should read some books or something |
| 06:09.18 | derpadmin | meh |
| 06:09.25 | ChiLLabiS | Google helpted me with my scripts tho |
| 06:09.30 | ChiLLabiS | helped* |
| 06:10.33 | derpadmin | /usr/bin/kdialog --passivepopup "your notification here" --icon /home/$USER/path/path/image.jpg |
| 06:12.13 | ChiLLabiS | What's the code for pointing the issue/alert to that command then? |
| 06:12.20 | ChiLLabiS | Might be some more troubles |
| 06:14.24 | ChiLLabiS | I'm useless at this |
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| 06:19.15 | derpadmin | ChiLLabiS, a couple of things use it... |
| 06:19.29 | derpadmin | when you click a certain image on the net, it pings me |
| 06:19.37 | roycroft | chillabis - this book is excellent: |
| 06:19.43 | roycroft | https://www.amazon.com/dp/0672324903/ |
| 06:19.43 | ChiLLabiS | Ah ok |
| 06:19.51 | derpadmin | and when I start my visual firewall script |
| 06:20.58 | ChiLLabiS | Kinda cool derpadmin. There's something for everything on Linux |
| 06:22.54 | ChiLLabiS | What's the best distro for an amature like me? Not Ubuntu |
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| 06:23.49 | jmcnaught | I recommend Debian 10. |
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| 06:24.25 | ChiLLabiS | I like Debian. But i don't know what i'm allowed to use. |
| 06:24.37 | ChiLLabiS | packages and stuff |
| 06:24.40 | ChiLLabiS | apps you know |
| 06:24.57 | jmcnaught | I do not know what you mean. |
| 06:25.53 | ChiLLabiS | There's always some troubles when i install stuff. Programs that doesn't work on all fetures and stuff |
| 06:26.07 | ChiLLabiS | features* |
| 06:26.13 | jmcnaught | Do you do silly stuff like disabling recommends? |
| 06:26.23 | ChiLLabiS | Nope |
| 06:26.39 | ChiLLabiS | i usually have the --use-recommends flags |
| 06:26.53 | ChiLLabiS | sorry |
| 06:26.59 | ChiLLabiS | --install-recommends |
| 06:27.21 | jmcnaught | Installing recommends is the default behaviour. |
| 06:27.28 | ChiLLabiS | Ah ok |
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| 06:29.00 | jmcnaught | !why debian |
| 06:29.00 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
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| 06:30.04 | jmcnaught | If you have trouble with missing features in a program or something specific and you are using Debian you can get help here. |
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| 06:30.20 | ChiLLabiS | Okay thank you |
| 06:30.42 | ChiLLabiS | Sorry for discussing other stuff |
| 06:32.01 | jmcnaught | ChiLLabiS: there is a #debian-offtopic channel if you feel like chatting. Some friendly people there. |
| 06:32.38 | ChiLLabiS | Okay thanks |
| 06:35.40 | ChiLLabiS | Well my Linux m8s doesn't answer me... This feels like dejavu |
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| 06:36.16 | ChiLLabiS | Might to be too early tho |
| 06:36.28 | ChiLLabiS | They started a "new" channel here |
| 06:36.32 | ChiLLabiS | on freenode |
| 06:36.35 | ChiLLabiS | #linuxkompis |
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| 06:37.20 | ChiLLabiS | Kinda good channel tbh |
| 06:37.35 | ChiLLabiS | For Linux enthusiasts in Sweden |
| 06:41.02 | ChiLLabiS | jmcnaught: Do Huawei laptops work good on Debian? |
| 06:41.05 | ChiLLabiS | Or Acer |
| 06:42.44 | jmcnaught | ChiLLabiS: Debian works on computers that other Linux distros work on because they use the same kernel. Brand new hardware can sometimes have problems on Debian stable if it was released after, but newer kernels are available in backports. |
| 06:43.26 | ChiLLabiS | Ah okay thank you for the answer! |
| 06:43.41 | ChiLLabiS | Looking at to buy a "new" laptop |
| 06:44.28 | ChiLLabiS | But yeah now when you mention it. Backports repo is kinda good to ahve |
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| 06:44.31 | ChiLLabiS | have* |
| 06:45.00 | jmcnaught | I buy used (off-lease) ThinkPads that are about three years old when I get them. By that time the Debian support for them is great. They might be a little difficult to get during the pandemic though. |
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| 06:46.28 | ChiLLabiS | Ah okay, I've seen some older hardware on a salessite for used stuff. But i'm not that good at resetting the computer |
| 06:46.43 | ChiLLabiS | to factorysettings |
| 06:48.32 | ChiLLabiS | I bought a used computer some years ago and that screen was messed up. it's too bright. Don't know how to reset it or if it's the acctual hardware that's off |
| 06:49.24 | ChiLLabiS | But with that laptop i go for brand new instead. Since i don't know so much about computers |
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| 07:00.47 | ChiLLabiS | Might have missed something if you guys wrote something |
| 07:01.00 | trysten | nope. |
| 07:01.04 | ChiLLabiS | ok good |
| 07:01.24 | ChiLLabiS | trysten: How's Debian working for you then? |
| 07:01.39 | trysten | come to #debian-offtopic |
| 07:01.45 | ChiLLabiS | okay |
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| 09:06.59 | iamjfk11 | hi |
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| 09:12.50 | Rodon | is pulsemixer in debian is just different name of pamixer found in other distros? i am about to use a pulse volume script which has dependency of pamixer. i dont find any "pamixer" in offical buster repo.. |
| 09:13.23 | Rodon | i am using it on dwm statusbar |
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| 09:16.47 | diogenes_ | it's pavucontrol? |
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| 09:18.33 | Rodon | noo... pavucontrol is gtk.. |
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| 09:19.11 | ratrace | I think there's several PA based mixers available |
| 09:19.29 | ratrace | yeah: |
| 09:19.32 | ratrace | ,i pulsemixer |
| 09:19.34 | judd | Package pulsemixer (sound, optional) in buster/amd64: command-line mixer for PulseAudio with a curses interface. Version: 1.4.0-1; Size: 15.2k; Installed: 95k; Homepage: https://github.com/GeorgeFilipkin/pulsemixer |
| 09:19.45 | ratrace | ,i pamix |
| 09:19.46 | judd | Package pamix (sound, optional) in buster/amd64: Pulseaudio terminal mixer based in pavucontrol. Version: 1.6~git20180112.ea4ab3b-3; Size: 42.0k; Installed: 146k; Homepage: https://github.com/patroclos/PAmix |
| 09:19.48 | Rodon | pulsemixer is ncurses that i use generally .. |
| 09:19.57 | ratrace | ,i pavucontrol |
| 09:19.59 | judd | Package pavucontrol (sound, optional) in buster/amd64: PulseAudio Volume Control. Version: 3.0-4; Size: 123.2k; Installed: 929k; Homepage: https://freedesktop.org/software/pulseaudio/pavucontrol/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/pavucontrol |
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| 09:48.38 | jelly | judd: file bin/pamixer |
| 09:48.43 | judd | No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file. |
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| 09:57.46 | Rodon | i fixed it using pulusemixer commands within script...so its working fine .. |
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| 10:06.48 | jak2000 | hi all |
| 10:07.01 | jak2000 | https://paste.debian.net/1170733/ not progress why? |
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| 10:19.46 | n4dir | jak2000: is it temporary, or you got the problem all the time? |
| 10:20.21 | Brigo | jak2000, i would guess the server is in the middle of a package update. |
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| 10:24.38 | jak2000 | ok, wait, take time, please, :) |
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| 10:58.05 | jak2000 | same position :( |
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| 11:18.19 | dirdi | Hi there, sometime when I resume from suspend the media keys (like lower volume, brightness etc.) of my keyboard stop working. xev does not recognize any key stroke. When I restart X, or un- and replug the keyboard, everything is back to normal. I do not use a DE but i3. Since it does not happen always, there seems to be some race condition. Anybody got an idea what could cause this behavior? |
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| 11:28.13 | Janni | Hi there. I'd like to connect via ssh to some server as root. But I'd like to use another user's credentials for this. Is this possible? |
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| 11:28.41 | Janni | To be more clear: I'm not connecting to a root account, but I'm logged in as root locally. |
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| 11:30.06 | dirdi | Janni: Sure, this is possible: ssh -i /home/otheruser/.ssh/id_rsa remoteuser@remotehost |
| 11:31.45 | Janni | Thanks! |
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| 11:39.36 | arahael | dirdi: Full marks for being tactful. |
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| 11:51.45 | dirdi | arahael: ty =) |
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| 12:21.52 | shtrb | wayland is really the default in buster ? |
| 12:22.51 | diogenes_ | shtrb, only for DEs that support it (for Gnome yes, not sure about others). |
| 12:23.21 | shtrb | thanks diogenes_ ! |
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| 12:24.23 | shtrb | lol , and debian wiki rely on Arch wiki :D |
| 12:25.25 | jelly | arch wiki is excellent |
| 12:26.05 | nkuttler | yeah they really *need* good documentation |
| 12:26.54 | shtrb | I know , and I'm envious of their greate wiki , Debian wiki should had such good text first :) |
| 12:28.10 | marc36 | or have the rolling-release hipsters work for us gratis and reuse their excellent doc |
| 12:29.09 | ratrace | it's all the same software anyway |
| 12:29.39 | ratrace | maybe in different places and different defaults in debian, but in the and, same thing. |
| 12:31.13 | diogenes_ | The reason why Achwiki has such a detailed wiki is because Arch is vanilla linux where you have to configure almost everything yourself and in Debian, almost all works out of the box, especially if you use a non-free firmware ISO. |
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| 12:31.56 | dob1 | why it wants to install apache2 if I just need php and I have nginx instlaled? |
| 12:34.19 | dob1 | maybe I have to install php-fpm |
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| 12:35.02 | H4ndy | Yes, install php-fpm and not the apache module |
| 12:35.29 | jak2000 | https://paste.debian.net/1170733/ not progress why? i have 3 hours waiting any progrss. |
| 12:35.47 | dob1 | well I would try ctrl-c |
| 12:35.52 | dob1 | and re-launch it |
| 12:36.03 | azeem | jak2000: probably a networking issue on your side and/or somewhere in-between |
| 12:36.12 | dob1 | or change mirror |
| 12:36.51 | jak2000 | how to? |
| 12:37.30 | dob1 | you have to find another one, they are listed on debian.org and modify /etc/apt/source.list |
| 12:39.06 | shtrb | ratrace, some configuration options would be different , some paths would be different , some packages would be missing etc etc etc |
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| 12:44.25 | jak2000 | cat: /etc/apt/source.list: No such file or directory |
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| 12:44.52 | shtrb | *sources.list (you have a typo) |
| 12:45.15 | tarzeau | is there some multicolor image vectorizing software? i couldn't find any (potrace seems to be black/white) autotrace not longer available? |
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| 12:47.03 | jak2000 | my sources.list: https://paste.debian.net/1170772/ |
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| 12:47.46 | themill | ,v engauge-digitizer |
| 12:47.47 | judd | Package: engauge-digitizer on amd64 -- jessie: 5.2-1; stretch: 9.7+ds.1-1; buster: 10.10+ds.1-1; bullseye: 10.10+ds.1-1+b2; sid: 10.10+ds.1-1+b2 |
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| 12:48.03 | themill | tarzeau: ^^ I don't recall how well it handles colour images |
| 12:48.58 | tarzeau | themill: interesting, but not quite what i was after for: http://markummitchell.github.io/engauge-digitizer/ |
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| 13:04.59 | themill | tarzeau: perhaps you can describe what you're wanting to do some more -- that's pretty much what potrace/autotrace are |
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| 13:06.13 | tarzeau | themill: i have an image that i want to vectorize, but it's not a graph like the examples of engauge-digitizer addresses |
| 13:06.35 | tarzeau | potrace seems limited two 2 colors, and engauge limited to graphs. autotrace is not available anymore |
| 13:06.47 | themill | what does vectorise mean for a random pixel image? |
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| 13:07.23 | tarzeau | the result is a vector format like svg, instead of a raster image that i give as input |
| 13:08.06 | tarzeau | i have a 3 color image that i want to vectorize: http://bootes.ethz.ch/compr/image0.jpeg |
| 13:08.36 | H4ndy | did you try Inkscape? I like it's tracing functions |
| 13:09.17 | tarzeau | H4ndy: is based on potrace, i failed to get linked image vectorized |
| 13:09.34 | tarzeau | feel free to take a copy, and fix my PEBKAC (i'd be glad, but of course nobody must) |
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| 13:17.28 | themill | the edge detection method worked pretty flawlessly here |
| 13:17.33 | Devastator | any eta about debian-next? |
| 13:18.12 | themill | Devastator: freezing in January https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2020/11/msg00002.html |
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| 13:19.20 | H4ndy | tarzeau: with color or without? |
| 13:19.49 | Devastator | themill thank you, rather fast |
| 13:19.58 | Schrostfutz_ | Hi, I maintain some nodes that are currently always running and people SSH into them to do simulations. I'd like to save some power by suspending the machines when they are idle and transparently wake up via WoL with Unicast. I haven't been able to find a nice way to detect idleness, except for writing it myself. Do you know something like this that I might have overlooked? I only found suspendatnight, but that has fixed times and |
| 13:19.58 | Schrostfutz_ | does not react to usage. |
| 13:20.24 | tarzeau | H4ndy: with |
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| 13:20.51 | tarzeau | themill: i must be doing something wrong, so you used that thing you suggested? /me tries |
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| 13:21.28 | themill | tarzeau: I used inkscape |
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| 13:22.56 | themill | ,i autosuspend |
| 13:22.58 | judd | Package autosuspend (utils, optional) in buster/amd64: daemon to suspend a system in case of inactivity. Version: 2.0.4-1; Size: 66.6k; Installed: 501k; Homepage: https://github.com/languitar/autosuspend |
| 13:23.13 | themill | Schrostfutz_: ^^ perhaps? (I don't know the package but it sounds like what you want) |
| 13:23.19 | tarzeau | themill: i start inkscape, import the image, it's still raster, then path/trace bitmap |
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| 13:23.35 | Schrostfutz_ | themill: Thanks |
| 13:26.21 | themill | also, the nodes on your cluster are idle? you need to poke your users to do more work. |
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| 13:27.23 | themill | is used to them being 150-200% oversubscribed |
| 13:28.00 | Schrostfutz_ | themill: :D I'm the user that's procrastinating my actual work by optimizing the infrastructure.... |
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| 13:28.24 | themill | heh |
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| 13:29.55 | kryl | hi, is there a way to list "all sub commands" inside a service like restart start, reload ... etc... ? |
| 13:30.08 | kryl | I use systemd by default to manage the daemons |
| 13:31.36 | Schrostfutz_ | kryl: Aren't all possibilities listed on the systemctl manpage? Or are you asking for a query for what a specific service supports? |
| 13:32.15 | kryl | Schrostfutz_, exactly I'm asking for specific service supports |
| 13:32.33 | kryl | and I'm wondering there is a way to list the subcommands directly with systemd tools like systemctl ? |
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| 13:33.29 | Schrostfutz_ | kryl: I don't know about that, but for the only use-case I can imagine, reloading when possible, else restarting, there is 'reload-or-restart' |
| 13:33.39 | Schrostfutz_ | Maybe that's your use-case as well? |
| 13:34.47 | kryl | ok |
| 13:35.05 | kryl | but if I manage my service I can create new ones ;-) |
| 13:35.18 | themill | actions tend to be supported via a fallback if they are not explicitly included |
| 13:35.42 | kryl | or not ? |
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| 13:37.07 | Schrostfutz_ | kryl: You mean if you write your own systemd service file? |
| 13:38.26 | kryl | yes |
| 13:38.29 | kryl | exactly |
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| 13:43.01 | H4ndy | tarzeau hmm the tracing is a bit annoying to deal with because it will create full paths for outlines instead of a proper object with a stroke and fill ð¤ |
| 13:43.39 | Schrostfutz_ | kryl: Afaik the possible interactions with a service are well defined by systemd. You can look up a list of possible commands on the manpage of systemctl. Note that most require no specification or cooperation from the service, e.g. freeze, or stop: By default, it will just kill the process it started previously, the specific means depend on the type of service you wrote. |
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| 13:44.21 | tarzeau | H4ndy: yes |
| 13:44.22 | kryl | Schrostfutz_, that's more clear like that. Thank you |
| 13:45.52 | Schrostfutz_ | kryl: np. For more details you'd need to elaborate on your use-case. I recommend also reading systemd.service(5), and the #systemd channel will probably be able to help with this better. |
| 13:47.44 | kryl | Schrostfutz_, I will one more time thank you for your help ;) |
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| 14:04.32 | H4ndy | tarzeau: https://h4ndy.eu/seafile/d/c076b51055794836a2c5/ |
| 14:04.42 | H4ndy | it's not perfect but also did not require too much manual cleanup |
| 14:05.45 | H4ndy | I'd say for this specific image a manual re-trace is the better work flow |
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| 14:08.42 | tarzeau | H4ndy: it looks surprisingly good! |
| 14:09.04 | tarzeau | H4ndy: and you did all that with just inkscape+potrace? |
| 14:09.16 | H4ndy | Inkscape only, yes |
| 14:09.19 | H4ndy | https://h4ndy.stream/irc/uploads/c140548b7665c76a/image.png |
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| 14:10.07 | H4ndy | "Remove background" got rid of the color fringing then I only had to create some color rectangles to "fill" everything again and apply a cut mask |
| 14:10.18 | tarzeau | H4ndy: very cool thanks! i will try that with 4 scans, stack+remove background |
| 14:10.43 | H4ndy | just load the SVG from my share into Inkscape and explore layers |
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| 14:11.33 | tarzeau | H4ndy: i can see a single layer, and ungroup the thing :) |
| 14:12.00 | tarzeau | did you do the colorization or it was automatic? |
| 14:12.19 | H4ndy | without "remove background" it would be automatic but ugly |
| 14:12.29 | H4ndy | I create a few rectangles and used the color picker from the source image |
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| 14:12.52 | tarzeau | very cool, many many thanks for these tips! |
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| 14:14.44 | H4ndy | np :) |
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| 14:17.45 | H4ndy | I keep the file share up for a day or two if you need to re-download |
| 14:18.31 | danuan | devuan user , but wondering if debian allows packages like firefox to self auto-update outside of package management ? |
| 14:21.37 | ksk | danuan: firefox-esr has kind of a special status, it is allowed to change within a Debian release. |
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| 14:21.58 | ksk | but no, not outside package managment as far as I know. |
| 14:24.00 | danuan | so if i as a devuan user firefox self-update happened because devuan devels gave it more permissions after forking off debuan ? |
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| 14:27.30 | jmcnaught | danuan: firefox self-updating is disabled in Debian, and the firefox-esr is updated like all other packages via APT/dpkg. |
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| 14:30.09 | ksk | danuan: we really cannot tell why devuan does what devuan does, please refrain from asking about it in here. |
| 14:30.12 | ksk | !devuan |
| 14:30.13 | dpkg | Devuan (https://devuan.org/) is a Debian <derivative>, meant to avoid dependencies on <systemd>. Not supported in #debian, please see #devuan on chat.freenode.net for support. |
| 14:30.32 | jelly | danuan: firefox will autoupdate if you install from mozilla's tarball, otherwise a firefox running as user cannot possibly update files installed as root |
| 14:30.58 | jelly | I have no idea what devuan does, you'll have to ask them. |
| 14:31.33 | jelly | (it's unlikely they'd go out of their way to break the package like that, but who knows) |
| 14:31.45 | danuan | sssure i was asking if debian would allow such things ( being a long time debian user up untill a certain point ) |
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| 14:33.06 | danuan | which based on their ideals i do not think they would , but it did happened in last few days and i am trying to track down why it it . |
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| 14:34.05 | jelly | debian doesn't do that |
| 14:36.06 | danuan | so that is a guarantee that debian would never allow a package self-auto-update and someone after forking did ? |
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| 14:44.36 | jelly | danuan: there's no guarantee, but it would be a bug and not something done intentionally |
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| 14:47.34 | jelly | ,v firefox-esr |
| 14:47.35 | judd | Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-updates: 60.6.3esr-1~deb9u1; jessie-security: 68.9.0esr-1~deb8u2; stretch: 68.10.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 68.10.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 68.10.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 68.12.0esr-1~deb10u1; bullseye: 78.3.0esr-2; buster-proposed-updates: 78.4.0esr-1~deb10u2; buster-security: |
| 14:47.36 | judd | 78.4.0esr-1~deb10u2; sid: 78.4.1esr-2 |
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| 14:53.42 | manuels8 | hi I want to write a proper package dsc, control, etc for albertlauncher. can somebody please link some good cmake/c++ and eventually qt built projects having proper buld files |
| 14:53.44 | manuels8 | build |
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| 15:12.10 | Brigo | manuels8, you will be better asking in mentors |
| 15:12.12 | Brigo | !mentor |
| 15:12.13 | dpkg | [mentors] the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net). |
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| 16:21.46 | BlueMatt | looks like 2020-26950 should be updated to also note that (afaict all currently packed versions of) thunderbird are also vulnerable, at least per the mozilla advisory. |
| 16:21.48 | BlueMatt | https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2020-26950 |
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| 16:32.10 | Iarfen | hi! |
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| 16:32.45 | Iarfen | I can't install vsftpd, I get the following error when running systemctl start vsftpd: "Failed to start vsftpd.service: Unknown unit: vsftpd.service" |
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| 16:33.18 | greycat | ,file vsftpd.service |
| 16:33.22 | judd | Search for vsftpd.service in buster/amd64: vsftpd: lib/systemd/system/vsftpd.service |
| 16:33.40 | greycat | Purge and reinstall that package. If you customized the configs, save your customized config file somewhere before purging. |
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| 16:36.28 | Iarfen | which command I should run? |
| 16:36.31 | manuels8 | Brigo. it is not about the debian project |
| 16:36.47 | manuels8 | you could however copy the files I maintain at open suse's build service platform |
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| 16:55.55 | norbert | hello |
| 16:56.39 | norbert | I tried subscribing to debian-fonts@ but it doesn't send out the subscription confirmation request email |
| 16:57.43 | norbert | I have a spam filter on the email address I used but it doesn't drop mails, it merely sends some to the spambox |
| 16:57.52 | norbert | and I simply got nothing from your mailman |
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| 16:58.23 | sney | sometimes debian emails are slow, how long have you waited? |
| 16:58.41 | manuels8 | Can I somehow disable that source format check? I dont want a hyphen in the version number of my app.dsc |
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| 16:59.41 | sney | manuels8: all that information is in debian policy and/or the NMG. you might also want to ask in #packaging. |
| 16:59.49 | azeem | manuels8: what is "that source format check"? |
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| 17:17.01 | lifostack | hello all, i've got a few linux or debian101 questions here, if im searching for a apt or dpkg package that i dont know the name of what is the cmd i can use to "serch/find" the package? |
| 17:17.05 | lifostack | it was something like the apropos cmd |
| 17:17.13 | lifostack | apropos -like virtualbox |
| 17:17.14 | lifostack | or w/e |
| 17:17.52 | sney | !refcard |
| 17:17.52 | dpkg | A short reference of Debian commands - quite useful for someone new to Debian - can be found at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/refcard/refcard.en.pdf and packaged for Debian as debian-refcard. See also <grounding>, <vim refcard>. |
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| 17:18.01 | sney | there are a couple options for searching |
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| 17:18.32 | neilthereildeil | hey guys |
| 17:18.53 | neilthereildeil | how can i output a certain offset of proc/pid/mem and pipe it to hexdump -C |
| 17:18.53 | neilthereildeil | ? |
| 17:19.09 | lifostack | sney i wanna say it was a dpkg cmd, like dpkg -f virtualbox or something |
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| 17:19.21 | lifostack | if i could just remember what the base cmd is i could search the man page but i cant even remember that |
| 17:19.25 | lifostack | i think im mixing up two linux cmds though |
| 17:19.35 | jmcnaught | lifostack: "dpkg -L <packagename> | grep bin" |
| 17:19.41 | lifostack | i think there's one linux cmd that lets you search for something that you're not sure what it is, and the other which searches pkgs |
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| 17:20.58 | lifostack | jmcnaught, what do i do when i dont know the pckg name though |
| 17:21.01 | lifostack | thats the crux of my issue |
| 17:21.15 | lifostack | im looking for the cmd you use when you're trying to search for a package you dont know the name of |
| 17:21.18 | lifostack | d i put a wildcard? |
| 17:21.45 | jmcnaught | You do not know the name of the package or the command that you want to find? |
| 17:22.06 | lifostack | i dont know the name of the package |
| 17:22.08 | n4dir | apt-cache will not only search for packagenames, but also descriptions, as long you don't add --names-only |
| 17:22.16 | neilthereildeil | how can i read an offset into a file from cmdline? |
| 17:22.17 | lifostack | ah, thats the one apt-cache |
| 17:22.55 | lifostack | also, can anyone tell me is there a difference between apt-get install and apt install? are they aliases of each other? i just recently returned to deb/linux after a brief break and everyone is saying to use apt install now |
| 17:25.24 | n4dir | ubuntu has per default an apt like applications installed which proposes commands to you which sound similar to what you've typed but isn't installed on your system |
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| 17:25.46 | n4dir | bad news: i got no idea whats the name of that package (or if it is something you have in mind too) |
| 17:29.45 | jelly | judd: i file-not-found |
| 17:29.47 | judd | No package named 'file-not-found' was found in buster/amd64. |
| 17:29.52 | jelly | judd: i command-not-found |
| 17:29.54 | judd | Package command-not-found (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: Suggest installation of packages in interactive bash sessions. Version: 18.04.5-1; Size: 24.9k; Installed: 103k |
| 17:30.07 | jelly | that thing. |
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| 17:32.39 | jelly | lifostack: "apt" tool is newer and a bit nicer than apt-get, but they do the same thing when given install and a packagename. Output might differ slightly. |
| 17:33.11 | n4dir | thanks, jelly |
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| 17:37.18 | manuels8 | azeem, while building a apckage i get the error that the source format is invalid because it contains no hypen |
| 17:38.28 | manuels8 | sney, sorry what is NMG. Googel didnt help. |
| 17:39.00 | manuels8 | didnt find #packaging |
| 17:40.08 | n4dir | manuels8: it is on the oftc IRC server. |
| 17:40.11 | sney | manuels8: sorry, #packaging is on the other network, irc.oftc.org |
| 17:40.16 | sney | !nmg |
| 17:40.16 | dpkg | The packaging tutorial (https://deb.li/QYyI) and the New Maintainer's Guide (https://deb.li/3DiDA) are good places to start learning about Debian packaging. You should also ask me about <devref> and <policy> to understand how packages should be maintained and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <best practices> <build without helper>. https://www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 17:40.26 | sney | nmg is aka the new maintainer's guide, ^ |
| 17:40.43 | sney | !oftc |
| 17:40.43 | dpkg | OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may (or may not) be connected to OFTC's network. http://www.oftc.net/ See also <freenode>, <oftc move> and <fact sharing>. |
| 17:41.41 | jhutchins | It's funny how aptitude never really caught on. Long-term users continued to use apt-get, now new users use apt. |
| 17:42.37 | sney | I suspect that is partly related to aptitude being recommended as the default, when many systems were still too cpu limited to run it seamlessly |
| 17:42.48 | jelly | jhutchins: that might be stable-biased. aptitude is THE cli tool to get out of weird dependency issues. |
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| 17:43.38 | sney | trying to use aptitude for day-to-day package operations on some squeeze-era hardware was like "ok, now time to go get lunch while it finishes thinking" |
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| 17:43.58 | jelly | not just for testing or unstable, also good for multiarch, held packages, backports... |
| 17:44.10 | sney | it's indispensable for figuring out weird apt problems, though |
| 17:44.17 | n4dir | and weird search operations |
| 17:44.18 | karlpinc | The thing that always attracted me to aptitude is that removing packages automatically removes required packages which were automatically installed to satisfy dependencies. |
| 17:44.29 | jelly | aptitude TUI is crap modeled after dselect |
| 17:44.40 | jelly | aptitude CLI is great |
| 17:44.45 | karlpinc | I'd have thought that apt would do the same, but for some reason it does not. |
| 17:45.00 | jelly | its search syntax is indispensable |
| 17:45.13 | n4dir | someone enlighten me what apt does better than apt-get ? |
| 17:45.28 | jelly | n4dir: progress bar! |
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| 17:45.56 | n4dir | o-ha. Now let me wait a few days until i install or remove something, then have a look at it :-) |
| 17:46.01 | karlpinc | (even though ansible's search syntax is arcane, and virtually unique -- unless you're steeped in dselect.) |
| 17:46.09 | taman | 'apt update' tells you whether there are packages to be updated. That's all I use 'apt' for. |
| 17:46.28 | jelly | karlpinc: I almost did not notice the tpyo. |
| 17:47.59 | n4dir | taman: i see. thanks. |
| 17:48.02 | ndegruchy | I really like `apt`, it wraps most commands without having to remember everything. `apt search`, `apt info`, `apt install` and `apt remove` all take a sane set of commands. The only time I don't use it is when I use `dpkg` to install downloaded .deb file. |
| 17:48.16 | jelly | ndegruchy: but you can! |
| 17:48.22 | n4dir | the question how to get rid of muscle memory is probably offtopic here ... :-) |
| 17:48.29 | jelly | ndegruchy: apt install ./foo.deb even resolves missing deps |
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| 17:48.56 | ndegruchy | jelly: well. that... um... that would have been handy. Thanks! |
| 17:49.07 | karlpinc | finds apt way, way too chatty. |
| 17:49.10 | ndegruchy | crosses off dpkg for installing packages locally |
| 17:49.19 | jelly | so you don't have to apt-get -f install after dpkg fails the first time |
| 17:49.37 | hop | is there any replacement for aptitude search ~o and ~c yet? |
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| 17:49.59 | n4dir | i kinda like the colored output of apt search. It seems to be more easy to see what you get |
| 17:50.14 | jelly | hop: very very new apt (in unstable now? experimental?) have a similar search syntax. Unsure if 100% compatible |
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| 17:50.23 | hop | nice |
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| 17:51.14 | hop | not in the man page yet or am i looking for the wrong thing? |
| 17:51.38 | hop | oh, experimentelâ¦Â might not be in unstable yet |
| 17:52.26 | jelly | dunno, I only read about that in passing somewhere, irc or planet.debian.org rss feed |
| 17:52.53 | jelly | might be only in git :-) |
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| 17:54.16 | hop | i can wait, as long as there is progress at all |
| 17:54.51 | hop | oh manâ¦Â i've been looking into why my insane one-liner bash pipe monstrosity dumped something to screen but nothing showed up in less⦠|
| 17:55.00 | hop | cost me 20 minutes. wanna guess? |
| 17:55.53 | AimHere | a stdout/sterr mixup? |
| 17:55.56 | AimHere | *stderr |
| 17:56.10 | hop | nope |
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| 17:56.38 | hop | couple hundred empty lines at the beginning of the output *.- |
| 17:56.58 | hop | time to find a new profession |
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| 17:58.16 | jelly | set up a nicer LESS env.var. so it shows you which line you're on of how many |
| 18:00.52 | hop | stranger's machine. it'll show up on the invoice, though (: |
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| 18:05.31 | lifostack | hey guys i saw a website that advertises a way to prep your app so that it installs for all distros one size fits all, no .debs, .rpms. and maintaining diff pkgs for diff distros... couldnt one alternative to this also be to just let the user compile their own binary? |
| 18:05.52 | lifostack | isnt all software written for linux portable as defined by POSIX? or is that only software specifically designed to be so? |
| 18:06.01 | hop | well, in theory |
| 18:06.22 | hop | "one size fits all" is a pipe dream. or snakeoil, depending |
| 18:06.46 | lifostack | oh totally, i know there were some limitations of course, but it also bloats up the program size too, considerably. |
| 18:07.35 | hop | or the opposite, forcing the software to be minimal. which in turn can be a good thing or a bad thing itself |
| 18:08.31 | ndegruchy | lifostack: sounds like flatpak and friends. they're junk imo |
| 18:10.12 | phogg | POSIX is a very low common denominator. Most software requires a lot more than that specifies. |
| 18:10.51 | hop | see above |
| 18:15.31 | lifostack | ndegruchy, yep thats the one, flatpack |
| 18:16.30 | lifostack | phogg but POSIX is what enables us to have the tools available (at time of OS install) to be able to make/compile any portable software though right? |
| 18:16.48 | phogg | lifostack: not really |
| 18:16.50 | lifostack | hate to bring windows into this, but if im not mistaken windows cannot compile c or c++ out of box without first installing compilers? |
| 18:16.51 | jelly | lifostack: but next to flatpak there's also AppImage. And snap. |
| 18:17.08 | sney | flatpak is a project from redhat developers. it's a compromise for installing applications that aren't available as distro packages for whatever reason. it keeps them from interfering with other stuff on your system, but security support is variable |
| 18:17.25 | phogg | lifostack: whether your OS ships with compilers and whether it nominally supports POSIX are entirely unrelated. |
| 18:17.32 | lifostack | i see |
| 18:17.39 | jelly | each their own standard for installing self-contained apps to almost any distro. |
| 18:17.42 | ndegruchy | lifostack: yeah, a solution in search of a problem. copying apple's fat binary ideas to without a point |
| 18:17.45 | phogg | lifostack: indeed, Windows can be POSIX compliant (with optional subsystems enabled). |
| 18:17.48 | lifostack | i thought POSIX had to do with support for "c" and what not? |
| 18:18.07 | lifostack | and other stuff too, of course |
| 18:18.36 | phogg | Copying fat binaries would have been better than snap/flatpak. There was a "fat elf" proposal at one point which would have been nice. |
| 18:18.53 | lifostack | what is meant by fat? |
| 18:18.56 | lifostack | like "big and fat" |
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| 18:19.01 | lifostack | or file allocation table? |
| 18:19.10 | ndegruchy | Instead of doing the the straight-foward thing and enabling cgroups and apparmor for applications, lets reinvent packaging... |
| 18:19.25 | phogg | lifostack: fat as in "more than one architecture supported in the same file"--that's what Apple does. |
| 18:19.29 | jelly | lifostack: ELF format extended to have executables for multiple architectures in a single file = fat elf |
| 18:19.37 | ndegruchy | lifostack: fat in contains multiple architecture binaries and usually supporting libraries |
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| 18:19.53 | lifostack | oh! |
| 18:20.00 | lifostack | thats interesting i had no idea apple did that |
| 18:20.22 | phogg | lifostack: they pretty much had to in order to do their PowerPC->Intel switch smoothly. |
| 18:20.24 | lifostack | so an apple image could potentially cover multiple architectures and versions of those architectures macOS versions..? wow |
| 18:20.26 | ndegruchy | lifostack: it makes the user experience migrating hardware architectures a bit less confusing |
| 18:20.35 | jelly | phogg: and soon, intel->arm64 |
| 18:20.39 | phogg | jelly: indeed |
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| 18:20.48 | lifostack | i think that arm64 switch is going to be VERY interesting |
| 18:20.54 | phogg | jelly: and probably m68k->powerpc, but I'm not sure whether they used the same system at that time |
| 18:21.00 | lifostack | Microsoft has already said they're poised to switch to ARM annd intel is ready to sue |
| 18:21.08 | ndegruchy | lifostack: not really, they've done it more than once. it's old hand to them now |
| 18:21.33 | jelly | Microsoft has had NT 3.5 running on Alpha back in the day |
| 18:22.20 | lifostack | ndegruchy, oh i get that, in terms of readiness im sure apple is not going to be worrying a bit... im just concerned about how the x86 and mostly intel (its largest manufacturer?) are going to handle the mass exodus to ARM |
| 18:22.23 | phogg | NT is far more portable--and sensible--than most people realize. It's just never been in Microsoft's business interests to exploit it before. |
| 18:22.45 | phogg | jelly: not to forget the xbox, the first version of which IIRC was powerpc. |
| 18:22.53 | lifostack | second version |
| 18:23.01 | lifostack | firt version was x86 (IIRC) |
| 18:23.08 | phogg | right, second version |
| 18:23.08 | ndegruchy | lifostack: I'm sure they're getting ready to sue or buy arm licenses or whatever |
| 18:23.13 | jelly | I don't know about NT, but ntfs permissions are a lot saner and a lot more capable than POSIX |
| 18:23.21 | lifostack | phogg i only know that cuz i just watched some MVG stuff on the xbox on youtube |
| 18:24.04 | phogg | jelly: In some ways. They're a lot more *complex* and granular, but I don't think more sane. POSIX permissions are so simple they almost don't exist. The NTFS model is okay, but if you have to get more complex that's not where I would go. |
| 18:24.06 | lifostack | jelly i hate how NTFS and SHARE permissions are combined though... since we need cross compatibility i'd rather just get rid of NTFS permissions... i also hate how they dont easily match up with CHMOD |
| 18:24.23 | phogg | jelly: I would go with something more like AndrewFS, or I'd borrow from NWFS from Novell. |
| 18:24.28 | lifostack | i hate having to keep up with multiple sets of memorization for essentially the same thing |
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| 18:25.22 | lifostack | some permissions on NTFS are seriously confusing too like how they combine with LDAP/Active Directory permissions (some of the advanced security options it may not be NTFS permissions strictly at that point) but in the GUI they are kinda "advertised" as an extension of NTFS perms |
| 18:25.29 | phogg | jelly: true story, just yesterday I had a Windows box I was on hiccup and drop all permission entries from a single file. Even things like "administrators can list security attributes." That doesn't speak well of its model. |
| 18:25.44 | jhutchins | I think most end-user experiences are so far abstracted from the hardware that it really doesn't make any difference these days. |
| 18:26.04 | lifostack | jhutchins that seems like an interesting point, in what way though? |
| 18:26.15 | lifostack | in the sense that most users just want to browse the web? |
| 18:26.21 | phogg | lifostack: wait until you run an NFSv4 server |
| 18:26.38 | lifostack | gets unironically unexcited :P |
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| 18:27.25 | phogg | lifostack: It's not just NTFS+AD, in Windows a similar--but not identical--set of permissions also exist for registry keys. |
| 18:27.40 | lifostack | wow, ok, didnt know that either |
| 18:27.57 | jelly | PetitOrion: are you a bot? |
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| 18:28.13 | lifostack | so that kinda is mind blowing because the keys then have diff perms for diff "rings" or whatever they're called in windows? (users/user-levels)? |
| 18:28.41 | phogg | lifostack: the registry has "hives" |
| 18:28.46 | lifostack | i do like the linux everything is a file model |
| 18:29.13 | ndegruchy | Plan 9 is more everything is a file |
| 18:29.22 | phogg | lifostack: fundamentally the registry is just another filesystem that's pointlessly not treated as one, just like a lot of things in Windows land. |
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| 18:29.59 | ndegruchy | ++ |
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| 18:30.06 | phogg | a registry hive is a file on disk formatted with a funny sort of filesystem; you could literally loop mount it and browse normally if you wanted to. I'm surprised MS doesn't do that. |
| 18:31.09 | phogg | ndegruchy: In Unix everything is a file, except sockets. In plan9 everything is a file(system). |
| 18:31.12 | ndegruchy | phogg: it's always a joy to open event viewer and find COM object errors from some process that couldn't access a registry branch/hive -- the user none the wiser |
| 18:31.27 | phogg | In Unix it's more like "everything is a file(descriptor)." |
| 18:32.18 | greycat | "most things are files, except the things that aren't" |
| 18:32.29 | jelly | ah, sock it |
| 18:32.43 | ndegruchy | <rimshot> |
| 18:32.43 | lifostack | ok i didnt know these things |
| 18:32.57 | lifostack | so i need to do some research tonight after work then |
| 18:33.05 | lifostack | on files vs file descriptors and other things |
| 18:33.40 | ndegruchy | DOS had file descriptors, too. Which is why, even today on Windows 10, you can't name files 'COM' |
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| 18:35.22 | phogg | It certainly would have been impossible to put files like that in c:\dev\. Impossible, I say! |
| 18:37.57 | jelly | phogg: that DEV: syntax comes from CP/M I think, which DOS was a clone of |
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| 18:38.39 | phogg | jelly: You mean prefix letters to denote disks? Yes, CP/M lacked directories and instead had one workspace per physical disk lettered alphabetically from A. |
| 18:39.11 | jelly | phogg: also things that be NUL: COM: or LPT: on DOS |
| 18:39.16 | ndegruchy | PATH=C:\DEV\;C:\DEV\CON;C:\DEV\CON\ |
| 18:39.27 | phogg | lacking a VFS I'm sure it seemed nonsensical to put device files inside C:, since that is itself a specific device. |
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| 18:39.51 | phogg | jelly: they don't have colons, though |
| 18:40.09 | jelly | way down to the bios and bdos API, which is so copy/pasted, if it were done today, Digital Research would win the court case |
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| 18:40.44 | phogg | jelly: didn't they win? I thought they did, but by the time it was settled the market had moved on to the point where it wasn't helpful |
| 18:40.47 | jelly | phogg: ah. Much difference! |
| 18:41.05 | phogg | holding them back for a critical year or two was all that MS needed, even if they knew they couldn't win |
| 18:41.44 | phogg | you can make a file called A because only A: is a drive, but NUL is like a /dev/null that exists in all directories simultaneously, so you can't name a file that. |
| 18:42.10 | ndegruchy | omnipresent NUL |
| 18:42.48 | ndegruchy | can you redirect to NUL on Windows? I've never tried |
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| 21:46.45 | hl521 | Hey what's up. I can't seem to ping my debian server for some reason, but I'm able to ssh in, and nmap it. Additionally, I'm able to ping literally every other device on the network. Is there something I'm missing? Is there a setting on debian that blocks ICMP or something? |
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| 21:47.38 | tomreyn | a host firewall would, and possibly a network firewall, too |
| 21:47.56 | hl521 | but it's only an issue with the device, maybe it's the host firewall |
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| 21:48.04 | hl521 | hm I wonder what firewall iredmail uses |
| 21:48.15 | tomreyn | there's also /proc/sys/net/ipv4/icmp_echo_ignore* |
| 21:49.03 | hl521 | maybe fail2ban? |
| 21:49.38 | hl521 | how do you disable icmp_echo_ignore? |
| 21:50.40 | greycat | you *can* set up a firewall to block ICMP, but there is no such thing by default in Debian |
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| 21:51.16 | hl521 | greycat: right, I think something in IRedMail disabled it |
| 21:51.44 | phogg | hl521: echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/icmp_echo_ignore_all |
| 21:52.00 | phogg | but maybe cat it first to see if that's even the problem |
| 21:55.15 | jhutchins | hl521: iptables -L to see if there are rules set. |
| 21:56.06 | hl521 | jhutchins: https://dpaste.com/6MVF86QYJ |
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| 21:57.13 | jhutchins | hl521: Are there rules set? |
| 21:57.35 | phogg | seems like no |
| 21:57.40 | hl521 | As far as I know, no |
| 21:57.47 | phogg | unless there are nft rules that don't show up this way |
| 22:00.57 | jhutchins | You are correct, no rules are set. |
| 22:01.21 | jhutchins | fail2ban would not affect icmp. |
| 22:02.13 | hl521 | hm. I disabled that anyway |
| 22:02.35 | hl521 | curious why icmp is getting blocked |
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| 22:17.35 | LtL | hl521: look at /etc/sysctl.conf |
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| 22:22.17 | jhutchins | http://www.linuxhowtos.org/Security/disable_ping.htm |
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| 22:27.03 | hl521 | hm |
| 22:27.09 | hl521 | let me copy pasta this to you guys |
| 22:27.34 | hl521 | https://dpaste.com/49RDB9WCU |
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| 22:27.52 | jhutchins | hl521: How abouot yuo read it and tell us what's significant? |
| 22:29.48 | hl521 | Well, the reason why I'm sending it in a paste bin is I don't know what the default values are for this, and thus what may have been changed. I'm not even sure if by default it's supposed to redirect, since the vast majority of them are commented out |
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| 22:31.28 | hl521 | I'm also curious why I don't see ports 8443 or 8080 open on nmap from a different host, though it shows it on debian. Maybe it's an nginx thing or something |
| 22:33.24 | jhutchins | Niether of those are standard ports, but are often used for web-based services or redirects. |
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| 22:33.37 | hl521 | yeah, it's specific to Unifi |
| 22:33.46 | jhutchins | hl521: You can try looking for ports in /etc/services |
| 22:33.47 | hl521 | with the exception of 8080 but yeah |
| 22:34.08 | hl521 | are you able to answer the previous question though about the pastebin? |
| 22:35.06 | sney | linux will often use tcp listens for localhost-only stuff, e.g. an application with a build-in httpd that then gets reverse proxied by nginx or apache, so if you're sure those ports are "open" check if they are listening only on 127.0.0.1 or ::1 |
| 22:36.15 | hl521 | okay tracking, I definitely see port 8080 open on /etc/services, 8443 I think is just a nginx redirect |
| 22:37.00 | ratrace | hrm.... some deb.debian.org mirrors in EU are inaccessible... |
| 22:37.21 | jhutchins | hl521: There are manpages for sysctl.conf that should explain the defaults, but we can't know what changes third-party services make. |
| 22:37.51 | hl521 | okay, and sney how can you czech to see if the ports are only listening on localhost? |
| 22:38.04 | sney | hl521: try 'ss -tl' |
| 22:38.11 | hl521 | being port 8080 is really my major concern so I can see what's going on on the net |
| 22:38.14 | hl521 | sec |
| 22:38.16 | jhutchins | hl521: I'm not trying to be unhelpful, I'm encouraging you to find your own solutions. |
| 22:39.27 | hl521 | jhutchins: I understand that, though to help me find my own solutions, proper direction tends to be needed not just "figure it out yourself" lol |
| 22:39.36 | jhutchins | netstat -anp will show you what's listening there. |
| 22:39.58 | hl521 | to kind of give you a comparison, giving me a tig welder and sheets of metal without an example of how to do it could wind up with injuries |
| 22:40.10 | chowder | Hey guys, I'm on the current release and seem to have hit a snag during boot. It won't automatically mount my /home partition. I've got full disk encryption with LVM. I've never had an issue since installing Debian. https://dpaste.com/62TUU6U7W <-- journalctl -xb snippet |
| 22:40.19 | jhutchins | hl521: The apropos command will show you man pages that follow the pattern you give, as in apropos sysctl. |
| 22:40.40 | hl521 | interesting, port 8080 seems to be listening on * so that should be fine, curious why I can only see it as an nmap from the localhost and not from another device |
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| 22:41.11 | hl521 | same thing goes with 8443 |
| 22:41.16 | jhutchins | hl521: ping is frequently disabled for "security" reasons, I woud guess that redmail messed with something. |
| 22:41.36 | greycat | !icmp |
| 22:41.37 | dpkg | icmp is, like, Internet Control Message Protocol. or DO NOT BLOCK ALL ICMP or someone will thwack you and you will have deserved it., or use --state RELATED in iptables to selectively block and still have legal icmps pass, or http://shouldiblockicmp.com/ |
| 22:42.15 | jhutchins | !redmail |
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| 22:42.39 | hl521 | yeah, and in netstat -anp, both 8080 and 8443 are ::: |
| 22:43.32 | jhutchins | hl521: So if you don't have ipv6 on your network, they won't be reachable. |
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| 22:44.19 | jhutchins | hl521: I would guess that you hvae ipv6 turned on the server, so you can reach localhost. |
| 22:44.50 | hl521 | ah, I also see 127.0.0.1:8443, but yeah 8080 is only on ipv6, that's interesting |
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| 22:45.36 | hl521 | 8443 isn't too much of an issue since I can easily access that via nginx, it's 8080 that needs to be on ipv4 so network devices can say "hey I'm here" to the sdn |
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| 22:56.07 | hl521 | Hey, I have to go help a friend turn some bolts, I'll be back in a few |
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| 23:40.38 | alexrelis[m] | I'm new to Openbox and window managers. Does anyone know of an application launcher where I can just press the super key and type the search the name of an application? I'd much prefer launching applications this way. |
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| 23:43.17 | jhutchins | alexrelis[m]: It's alt-f2 in xfce. |
| 23:43.24 | beelzebuzz | alexrelis[m]: i use the xfce app launcher on fluxbox |
| 23:43.43 | jhutchins | !openbox |
| 23:43.43 | dpkg | Openbox is an X window manager originally based on <Blackbox> 0.65.0, then rewritten in C (no code based on Blackbox since v3.0). http://wiki.debian.org/Openbox http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:FAQ http://www.openbox.org/ #openbox on irc.oftc.net. |
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