| 00:00.00 | Heart_And_Chops | ok. maybe a step back. how do i give a non root user access to a usb device? i have a small script i wrote in c++ and when i run it as my regular user it fails, if i run it with sudo it works fine. |
| 00:00.25 | mutante | Heart_And_Chops: grep usb /var/log/messages ; lsusb -v |
| 00:00.41 | zamnedix | Heart_And_Chops: there are many variables here. what is the device? |
| 00:00.49 | Heart_And_Chops | passport scanner |
| 00:00.52 | somiaj | Heart_And_Chops: what kinda of usb device? |
| 00:01.17 | somiaj | Heart_And_Chops: do you know the device node, /dev/???? that is being used by your script? |
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| 00:01.27 | zamnedix | Heart_And_Chops: i..have no idea what that is |
| 00:01.29 | Heart_And_Chops | thats why i started looking for /dev/usb |
| 00:01.46 | mutante | i have stuff like /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.0/usb1/1-1 |
| 00:01.53 | tramplefoot | if it doesn't appear as a usb device it might require some kind of firmware |
| 00:01.56 | zamnedix | Heart_And_Chops: though looking at it, seems like it probably has a userspace component? like smartcard readers need opensc |
| 00:02.02 | tramplefoot | it doesn't sound like a bulk device |
| 00:02.10 | tramplefoot | does it appear in lsblk |
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| 00:02.27 | somiaj | I dno't think there is /dev/usb, but I am not familar with scanners, if we could track down the device actually being used, that would help solve this problem. |
| 00:02.30 | Heart_And_Chops | no not in lsblk. it shows in usb-devices or lsusb |
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| 00:02.53 | somiaj | well a scanner isn't going to be a blk device (that is more a thumbdirve or disk of some sort), this seems different |
| 00:03.09 | Heart_And_Chops | USB Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0828:1002 Sato Corp. |
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| 00:03.55 | somiaj | Heart_And_Chops: maybe lshw can help identify what device node that device is attached to |
| 00:05.06 | somiaj | Heart_And_Chops: you can see if you can fid it in /sys/dev/char or /sys/dev/block (though I assume it is a char device) |
| 00:05.07 | mutante | ls /dev/bus/usb/001/ |
| 00:05.37 | Heart_And_Chops | yes! /dev/bus/usb/001/004 works |
| 00:05.48 | Heart_And_Chops | crw-rw-r-- 1 root root 189, 3 Sep 4 19:51 /dev/bus/usb/001/004 |
| 00:05.55 | Heart_And_Chops | so can i grant my user access to that somehow? |
| 00:06.13 | somiaj | it is most likely assigned some other device node too, I would try to track that down |
| 00:07.04 | tramplefoot | oh wow, i expected it to be in the usb usergroup |
| 00:07.07 | Heart_And_Chops | uhh that worked actually |
| 00:07.15 | tramplefoot | did you chmod it |
| 00:07.25 | Heart_And_Chops | sudo chown myuser:myuser /dev/bus/usb/001/004 |
| 00:07.30 | somiaj | the chmod won't persist |
| 00:07.39 | mutante | Heart_And_Chops: https://wiki.debian.org/Scanner |
| 00:07.46 | somiaj | and you should do root.group and add yourself to the group, and then update udev to apply the permsision correctly |
| 00:08.20 | Heart_And_Chops | somiaj: that sounds like a better solution but you've lost me a bit, can you walk me through that please? |
| 00:08.35 | mutante | that page has info on finding the scanner, the device ID and also privileges for users |
| 00:08.45 | mutante | i think all the stuff for a regular scanner would apply here |
| 00:08.48 | tramplefoot | is this an nfc card scanner or like a optical scanner |
| 00:08.54 | tramplefoot | a nfc** |
| 00:08.55 | somiaj | Heart_And_Chops: I would have linked the page mutante did, it gives some info about how to configure udev |
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| 00:09.23 | Heart_And_Chops | it does a bunch fo stuff, its got a special driver with an SDK. it scans the RFID chip in a passport, also does IR, UV and regular light photos with a camera. |
| 00:09.56 | tramplefoot | if has an optical component, sane would probably do the trick |
| 00:10.01 | mutante | ooh.. that sounds like more fun |
| 00:10.05 | mutante | multiple scanners in one, kind of |
| 00:10.22 | somiaj | tramplefoot: I think here the issue is not accessing the device, but assiging it correct permissions, they already have a tool/script that works with it |
| 00:10.37 | tramplefoot | oh right |
| 00:10.49 | somiaj | so sane might not do much, they have tracked down the device, now just need to setup a udev rule to make the permissions persistant |
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| 00:15.01 | mutante | yes |
| 00:15.56 | mutante | haha, that was by accident. I wanted to type yes in a terminal. But it also fit in the channel. |
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| 00:18.44 | somiaj | at least it wasn'ty our password |
| 00:20.03 | Heart_And_Chops | so am i understanding this correctly that i should add a rule to /lib/udev/rules.d/70-uaccess.rules ? |
| 00:20.30 | somiaj | I think you want to make your own file /lib/udev/rules.d/70-myrule.rules |
| 00:20.47 | somiaj | the number just orders when it applies, but I woulnd't edit an existing rule |
| 00:21.16 | Heart_And_Chops | ok. and what exactly do i put in this file (sorry for the noob questions!!) |
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| 00:22.23 | somiaj | that I don't really know, I'd have to research the syntax, but you need to be able to idetinfiy the usb device by some unique feature, then configure the options. Though udev is farily powerful, sot he docs are fairly extensive. |
| 00:22.47 | somiaj | maybe someone with experience with udev rules would be able to help (or you will have to manually change the ownership each time you boot/plug it in |
| 00:24.30 | somiaj | also put the file in /etc/udev/rules.d/.... (not /lib -- my mistake there, /lib is for system stuff from dpkg/.deb packages, and /etc/ is for user files) |
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| 00:25.01 | zamnedix | Heart_And_Chops: https://gitlab.com/zamnedix/inusb1/-/raw/master/100-inusb1.rules i have one like this for my usb footpedal |
| 00:25.04 | zamnedix | you wont be able to use it exactly |
| 00:25.12 | zamnedix | but i bet it could be very similar |
| 00:25.39 | Heart_And_Chops | oh cool this is actually better because it lets me use the DEV id! so it the port changes it should still work |
| 00:25.56 | Heart_And_Chops | yeah thats way better |
| 00:26.01 | Heart_And_Chops | awesome thanks |
| 00:32.11 | phogg | somiaj: yes, that page is my go-to aptitude search reference |
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| 00:32.54 | phogg | somiaj: my experiments with ?= suggest it's not for that, only for comparing variable values |
| 00:34.07 | phogg | somiaj: I also thought ?and(?version(CURRENT),?version(TARGET)) might do it, but it matches more broadly than I want |
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| 00:40.14 | Heart_And_Chops | zamnedix / somiaj / mutante : thank you, i got the udev rules working and it seems to persist a reboot now. very very nice. i like. <3 |
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| 00:43.37 | somiaj | !next |
| 00:43.37 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 00:47.13 | dvs | really??? ;-P |
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| 00:47.44 | somiaj | this time it wasn't being used scarcastically (and they didn't leave the building) |
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| 01:02.50 | oxek | I'm trying to understand debian packaging policy regarding $PATH |
| 01:03.15 | oxek | env -u PATH sh -c 'echo "${PATH}"' |
| 01:03.34 | oxek | no, not that one |
| 01:03.47 | oxek | this one: env -u PATH bash -c 'echo "${PATH}"' |
| 01:03.56 | oxek | shows: /usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin:. |
| 01:04.03 | oxek | notice the dot at the end |
| 01:04.15 | oxek | but debian packaging for bash removes that dot |
| 01:04.19 | oxek | why is that? |
| 01:06.43 | n4dir | wild guessing would be that the dot refers to pwd, so you don't accidently run an executable in there |
| 01:06.44 | EmleyMoor | oxek: Not sure if this is relevant but . in the PATH is a potential security issue as a potentially dangerous executable in the current directory could be started in error. |
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| 01:12.46 | oxek | however, that is the default bash behavior - to have . in the PATH. I'm wondering why debian changes that. |
| 01:13.10 | oxek | so debian changes it because of the security issue? |
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| 01:18.31 | cluonbeam | I have never in my entire life seen . as part of any PATH on any system, default or otherwise. |
| 01:20.36 | n4dir | but quite many how-to's which keep the absence of . in path in mind |
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| 01:31.13 | oxek | cluonbeam: run the command I posted and you'll see |
| 01:32.47 | cluonbeam | No, I won't. |
| 01:32.49 | cluonbeam | /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin |
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| 01:52.39 | oxek | was that the first version where I incorrectly used sh instead of bash, or the correct 2nd version? |
| 01:52.48 | cluonbeam | The second version. |
| 01:53.00 | oxek | hmm, that's very odd |
| 01:53.44 | oxek | especially since you even have the ordering of sbin & bin different |
| 01:54.00 | oxek | are you sure your bash is bash and not dash? |
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| 01:56.46 | cluonbeam | GNU bash, version 5.0.3(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) |
| 01:57.31 | cluonbeam | Then again, I've made a bucketload of changes to this system over quite a span of time. Let me wind up a fresh VM. |
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| 02:04.14 | cluonbeam | Ah, sure enough. |
| 02:04.22 | cluonbeam | /usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin:. |
| 02:05.10 | oxek | you must have made some strange changes to your bash then |
| 02:05.24 | cluonbeam | Things happen. :P |
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| 02:41.11 | brachamh | hello, trying to get Evolution (on Debian Buster) to use my Nextcloud contacts via CardDAV. It seems to sign in but then doesn't show any addressbooks |
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| 02:56.04 | lenswipe | hey folks |
| 02:56.08 | lenswipe | any flatpak users here? |
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| 02:57.07 | petn-randall | hey lenswipe, it's better if you ask your real question, surveys are pretty unpopular here. |
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| 03:01.43 | lenswipe | I installed Ardour from flatpak and I'm now trying to install plugins, but they're not showin gup |
| 03:01.49 | lenswipe | apparently this should be possible |
| 03:02.41 | sponix | lenswipe: you forgetting that flatpaks are basically a container |
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| 03:12.24 | lenswipe | sponix, no, im aware of that |
| 03:13.11 | lenswipe | sponix, https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/hgi8zi/flatpak_and_flathub_now_support_plugins_for_gimp/ |
| 03:13.22 | lenswipe | im aware that a reddit post is hardly rock solid evidence, but still |
| 03:13.55 | sponix | lenswipe: and there is a reason you are using a flatpak instead of a regular system package ? |
| 03:15.03 | somiaj | you wouldn't happen to need a newer version of flatpack for that feature? |
| 03:15.17 | lenswipe | sponix, 1. The system package is extremely old and brings with it a version of jack that has broken my audio more times than I can count 2. Someone in here insisted it was a better way to load software (actually for OBS, not Ardrour but the point remains) |
| 03:16.08 | lenswipe | somiaj, So....flatpak exists so that you can easily install newer versions of applications than are in the system repos without breaking things...except that package manager itself needs updating |
| 03:16.14 | lenswipe | this is like an ice-t meme |
| 03:16.23 | lenswipe | my bad. icecube |
| 03:16.47 | somiaj | lenswipe: I understand that, but isn't there a package/binary that installs these packs? |
| 03:16.58 | lenswipe | yeah, it's called flatpak |
| 03:18.31 | somiaj | that is what I'm talking about, it could be that the flatpak binary is part if what is needed for this feature and the one you have may not have this feature -- just a guess |
| 03:19.23 | lenswipe | you could well be right |
| 03:19.27 | lenswipe | it's just frustrating :) |
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| 05:12.01 | gry | Hi, ratrace spoke with me a few days and said to "[use] VBoxManage [to] convert from vdi to raw image for qemu to use". anyone here have experience with this? where is the correct button? |
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| 05:24.17 | nvz | button? |
| 05:24.31 | nvz | doing fancy stuff with images in vbox is not a button kinda deal |
| 05:24.47 | nvz | like making a disk image that connects to a real disk, or converting an image to raw.. |
| 05:24.51 | nvz | thats commandline magic |
| 05:25.07 | nvz | its also more a question for the virtualbox channel |
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| 06:26.00 | gry | Hi, how do i configure action to take on laptop lid close and inactivity? |
| 06:26.15 | gry | nvz, I think I used cli for VBoxManage, it was not that bad |
| 06:26.47 | gry | it is lxde, I'm not seeing where the relevant settings are located |
| 06:28.01 | ratrace | gry: VBoxManage is a command line... command. Also as someone else mentioned, qemu-img can convert from .vdi as well |
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| 06:30.31 | ratrace | gry: I don't know lxde, and you could google for a power management plugin or something, but also systemd-logind is capable of that iirc, check out HandleLidSwitch option of /etc/systemd/logind.conf |
| 06:31.14 | ratrace | as for "inactivity", you'd need a screen locker or screensaver |
| 06:32.47 | gry | it actually seems to go to some kind of standby |
| 06:32.52 | gry | when i close lid |
| 06:33.49 | gry | i don't want this to happen. https://dpaste.com/E8RTRY28K.txt logind.conf |
| 06:34.23 | gry | i see HandleLidSwitch=suspend is wrong; what value do i set instead of 'suspend'? |
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| 06:35.06 | gry | i will change it to 'ignore' and re-try, thank you |
| 06:36.41 | ratrace | gry: there's a logind.conf(5) manpage with more details |
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| 07:20.23 | gry | I think 'ignore' worked. Thank you, ratrace |
| 07:20.31 | gry | (for lid close) |
| 07:21.09 | gry | in virt-manager, I start game 'minetest', it has issues with mouse. in virtualbox the same issue is resolved by disabling 'mouse integration'. how can the same setting be toggled in virt-manager ? |
| 07:21.19 | gry | it is debian host and debian guest |
| 07:26.23 | ratrace | gry: I don't think qemu-kvm has that ability unless you install special support in the guest OS. In case of spice-based display (default I think) that'd be `spice-vdagent` |
| 07:26.38 | ratrace | gry: by the way, gaming in VM is going to be terrible without GPU passthrough |
| 07:27.43 | diogenes_ | gry, you might get a better performance with vmware player. |
| 07:33.40 | gry | ratrace: installing spice-vdagent did not help |
| 07:34.05 | gry | i rebooted the guest os and the mouse still behaves weirdly |
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| 07:35.19 | ratrace | gry: no, I meant the other way around. sorry I wasn't clear enough. there _is_ no integration, without that package. |
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| 07:54.07 | gry | ratrace: sorry, i misworded it; i would like to enable mouse integration |
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| 07:55.57 | ratrace | gry: then you need that package. but if you say that "did not help", you'll have to explain better what's going on |
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| 07:58.08 | gry | i installed that package on the guest and restarted the guest; in minetest the mouse keeps looking 'down into the ground' and i can not navigate in the game; in virtualbox when i enable mouse integration this behaviour becomes normal |
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| 08:04.41 | ratrace | gry: no idea really. I do have a gaming VM (qemu-kvm based) but with PCI passthrough (GPU and a USB pci lane for mouse and kbd). |
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| 08:06.26 | ratrace | gry: by default with qemu and spice, when you click on the window it should grab the mouse, and if it doesn't try pressing ctrl+alt+g keys simultaneously. with captured mouse, the guest OS should behave as if it was normal local hardware |
| 08:07.19 | ratrace | with "integration", the mouse is not captured but roaming freely in and out of the VM window. makes for a more seamless desktop experience in some cases (Eg. where the VM window represents one application) |
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| 08:08.08 | ratrace | btw, pressing ctr+alt+g again will "uncapture" mouse (and keyboard) again |
| 08:09.07 | gry | ratrace: in vitualbox, it is either 'not integrated, yes captured' or 'not ingetrated, not captured' or 'integrated'. the latter setting appears to work the best |
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| 08:10.39 | gry | ratrace: I think you are right, it looks like 'ctrl+alt+g' resolved this issue |
| 08:10.55 | gry | ratrace: ...in virt-manager, after I pressed this keys, it started working correctly |
| 08:11.00 | gry | these* |
| 08:12.01 | ratrace | so you want full capture, not "mouse integratio" that typically makes the VM window behave like a local application window |
| 08:13.18 | gry | but no, no, it seems unstable. it moves more freely but still 'look down into the ground' persists |
| 08:13.40 | gry | i don't know what does virtualbox do to make this work. ctrl+alt+g doesn't |
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| 08:14.27 | gry | it is too much for me to understand, i don't know the protocol |
| 08:14.52 | ratrace | maybe that's red herring and it's the _spice_ interface that's giving you issues. maybe you can change that to vnc? I don't really use virt-manager so I don't know if and where is the config option for that |
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| 08:46.11 | tehuty | how to set domainname? |
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| 08:46.50 | tehuty | currently I get: # domainname |
| 08:46.55 | tehuty | (none) |
| 08:47.24 | tehuty | but with hostname -f I get my FQDN |
| 08:48.09 | tehuty | and postconf -d myhostname says "myhostname = MYNAME.localdomain" |
| 08:48.31 | tehuty | I don't know where that comes from, google doesn't help |
| 08:49.00 | jelly | tehuty, /etc/hosts ought to have an entry with both the fqdn and the short name |
| 08:49.39 | jelly | however, mail software uses /etc/mailname in addition to that for some stuff |
| 08:50.02 | jelly | postconf -d will show compiled-in defaults |
| 08:50.37 | jelly | which are hardcoded during compilation |
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| 08:57.42 | ratrace | footnote, but /etc/mailname is only _default_. Postfix doesn't have to use it. In fact it's better it doesn't because mailname fragments configuration (by adding yet another place where you need to configure one of the local hostnames) |
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| 09:01.05 | tehuty | yes it shows the defaults, which a read from the system conf's |
| 09:01.19 | tehuty | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:03.51 | tehuty | domainname should show "(none)"? |
| 09:04.27 | ratrace | tehuty: perhaps it'd be better to keep this convo in #postfix, where you already asked about it |
| 09:04.40 | ratrace | crossposting is not... good manners :) |
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| 09:09.37 | tehuty | ratrace: It is not a crossposting it is an different questiion which I ask in #debian. It's is related to the defaults set in this OS. |
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| 09:13.16 | tehuty | when I use /usr/bin/domainname it shows me "(none)" where is this setting changed? |
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| 09:16.43 | jelly | tehuty, what's your actual goal, changing the hostname, or configuring postfix, or learning how things work, or...? |
| 09:16.51 | CyberManifest | tehuty: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/322883/how-to-correctly-set-hostname-and-domain-name/322886 |
| 09:17.13 | tehuty | All of that. |
| 09:17.27 | jelly | !hostname |
| 09:17.27 | dpkg | Use «hostname foo» to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot (create /etc/hostname if it does not exist) and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN. See also 'man 1 hostname', or ask me about <mailname>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/ChangeHostname |
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| 09:19.57 | tehuty | hostname -f gives me already my fqdn. hostname is set to my correct host name. |
| 09:20.31 | hegemoOn | is there any GNU standard explaing why for exemple gcc -v output in stderr instead of stdout ? |
| 09:20.43 | hegemoOn | *explaining* |
| 09:20.56 | tehuty | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:20.57 | jelly | CyberManifest, that question is asking about an older Ubuntu release; it is not a good idea to assume optimal solutions will be the same on different distros; the accepted answer says "setting the domain" where it only sets the search domain for the resolver (ns lookups) |
| 09:21.15 | jelly | tehuty, what's the actual line from /etc/hosts? |
| 09:21.32 | jelly | and actual output of hostname -f? |
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| 09:21.49 | tehuty | 127.0.1.1 service.domain.com service |
| 09:21.57 | jelly | service.domain.com? |
| 09:22.02 | tehuty | hostname -f service.domain.com |
| 09:22.06 | jelly | is that REALLY your hostname? |
| 09:22.16 | tehuty | not the real one |
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| 09:23.00 | jelly | I ask for actual output because that way it's easier to help you. |
| 09:23.50 | jelly | if you're changing some parts of it but not other, and you don't tell us that, it makes it hard to compare certain things and see if things are set up correctly |
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| 09:24.28 | tehuty | I see but you have to trust me it's runing like that currently |
| 09:25.06 | jelly | then I don't have a lot more free help to offer, sorry |
| 09:25.22 | tehuty | should give dnsdomainname gives me my domainname, but domainnamen nothing. |
| 09:25.34 | CyberManifest | jelly: solutions should be cross compliant IMHO not to confuse the Linux standards |
| 09:26.08 | tehuty | */usr/bin/domainname |
| 09:26.50 | jelly | CyberManifest, except I don't KNOW what standards apply, but I AM here in #debian having a bit of know-how about Debian and its best practices. Not other distros. |
| 09:27.19 | CyberManifest | jelly: Linux is Linux |
| 09:27.50 | jelly | CyberManifest, in general I'd agree with that ideal, but in practice every distro has its own nuisances |
| 09:28.14 | CyberManifest | jelly: and hence the headaches |
| 09:28.17 | CyberManifest | and the egos |
| 09:28.43 | ratrace | isn't "domainname" only for NIS? like, it's irrelevant that it says (none) if you don't use NIS |
| 09:29.07 | jelly | tehuty, domainname returns "(none)" on all the debian installs that I tried |
| 09:29.26 | jelly | some of them are mail servers w/ Postfix |
| 09:29.50 | ratrace | it's hostname and hostname -f that matters here (for postfix). /etc/hostname is typically nonfqdn, and entries in /etc/hosts are the ones that define fqdn, because fqdn depends on the interface used, thus the reverse IP lookup via hosts |
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| 09:31.31 | jelly | and distros disagree even on those simple things. On redhat/fedora/centos, hostname command and /etc/hostname will typically be the whole fqdn and tools will expect that. |
| 09:32.17 | tehuty | ratrace: in this case everything is correctly set. but does domainname nothing and posconf -d hostname shows a wrong domainname part? |
| 09:32.17 | ratrace | right |
| 09:32.19 | jelly | on debian and probably at least some derivatives, you want only short name in /etc/hostname, and a matching ip + fqdn + short entry in /etc/hosts |
| 09:32.26 | ratrace | tehuty: domainname is for NIS |
| 09:32.46 | jelly | CyberManifest, so linux isn't quite linux |
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| 09:33.11 | CyberManifest | jelly: no, distros have obfuscated it |
| 09:33.21 | tehuty | ratrace: oh |
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| 09:34.32 | jelly | CyberManifest, you can't seriously argue that redhat and debian, both 25 years old or so, have intentionally obfuscated things; it's just historical baggage for both and it's hard to change things. |
| 09:34.43 | ratrace | tehuty: maybe you wanted `hostname -d` to get the non-fq domain part? |
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| 09:35.08 | jelly | it remains to be seen whether adopting systemd components may help compatibility matters |
| 09:35.37 | CyberManifest | jelly: it is what it is... it's android fragmentation all over again IMHO |
| 09:35.49 | ratrace | already doesn't, due to different systemd versions and thus features supported by default service units |
| 09:35.51 | jelly | it would be nice if tehuty told us what fails to work properly |
| 09:36.32 | jelly | like, actual fucntionality, and not just their expectations of command outputs |
| 09:36.32 | tehuty | ratrace: didn't thing about that, I thought this thing would read the same, like the name says domainname. Every seems to setup right, I was counfused bei postconf -d which reads a wrong domainname? |
| 09:36.53 | jelly | tehuty, postconf -d is NOT the actual value used. |
| 09:37.00 | jelly | run postconf without -d |
| 09:37.30 | ratrace | tehuty: where you you see /usr/bin/domainname in relation to postfix? |
| 09:37.45 | ratrace | yeah -d is defaults, and -n is for explicit overrides |
| 09:37.57 | tehuty | I just wonder if postfix could read that setting from system defaults and how it would be set correctly so that postfix reads the right setting. |
| 09:38.10 | jelly | tehuty, it doesn't matter. |
| 09:38.58 | jelly | the value actually used by postfix is shown with "postconf myhostname" and not "postconf -d myhostname" |
| 09:39.17 | tehuty | Yes when I have set this setting in postfix it doesn't matter. true. |
| 09:39.45 | jelly | and it's set by default when postix package is installed in Debian |
| 09:41.27 | tehuty | I know |
| 09:41.52 | jelly | so, there's no reason to care about postconf -d myhostname |
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| 09:47.36 | jelly | CyberManifest, right, except for "again"; android would happen 15 years after redhat or debian |
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| 09:48.48 | CyberManifest | jelly: yes, but same principle; just fyi I've dabbled with Linux since RedHat Apollo, so I'm familiar with the time sequence |
| 09:49.35 | jelly | and honestly linux distros look a lot more similar to each other compared to differences in all the unix OSes they mostly replaced |
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| 09:54.06 | CyberManifest | jelly: yeah same kernel, get into darwin, and BSD, etc. |
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| 09:57.13 | tehuty- | jelly: wasn't my question, I've still no anwser why postconf -d gets wrong information |
| 09:59.43 | CyberManifest | tehuty-: cause -d takes off the debian way :P |
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| 10:18.34 | Psil0Cybin | hey anyone have experience with installing debina on hp laptop |
| 10:18.50 | Psil0Cybin | never had this problem before when i turn off secure boot and ef settings and it still only boots windows. |
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| 10:22.54 | nkuttler | Psil0Cybin: did you install windows after installing debian? |
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| 10:27.51 | Psil0Cybin | no its a brand new hp laptop and it came preinstalled with windows |
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| 10:28.04 | Psil0Cybin | i enabled legacy boot and disabled safe mode and i cannot boot anything |
| 10:28.09 | Psil0Cybin | but windows its just a waste |
| 10:28.42 | nkuttler | Psil0Cybin: so you can't boot the installer? |
| 10:28.55 | ratrace | Psil0Cybin: "it still only boots windows" .... "I cannot boot anything" .... so which one is it? |
| 10:29.01 | Psil0Cybin | i got into the installer it went as far as the partiions than said it failed |
| 10:29.04 | nkuttler | yeah.. |
| 10:29.17 | Psil0Cybin | i forgot the exact error codfe but said it could not format or change any partitions and halted at that stage |
| 10:29.45 | Psil0Cybin | im used to installing it on a lenovo obviously flawlessly. hp was as big mistake |
| 10:30.29 | nkuttler | well, write down the error, and research it |
| 10:31.34 | Psil0Cybin | ok one second let me try to reboot it. |
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| 10:34.19 | Psil0Cybin | now it asks if i want to boot into windows or the EFI file |
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| 10:36.36 | Psil0Cybin | like do i really need to take out the hard drive install it and put it back in |
| 10:36.39 | Psil0Cybin | what a waste |
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| 10:40.23 | nkuttler | i assume there must be a better way, but at least you have that option |
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| 10:49.46 | dka | Hi |
| 10:49.54 | dka | I have downloaded debian iso non free on debian website |
| 10:50.06 | dka | I am on debian, does anybody got a url for a tutorial to prepare a usb bootable key of that debian iso? |
| 10:51.01 | CyberManifest | dka: just use etcher, makes everything simpl |
| 10:51.04 | CyberManifest | simple* |
| 10:51.56 | diogenes_ | dka, sudo cp debian.iso /dev/sdx && sync |
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| 10:53.17 | jelly | dka, are you running linux or windows or what right now |
| 10:54.50 | dka | I am running linux debian |
| 10:54.59 | jelly | oh, you're on debian. Then just do what diogenes said, make sure the usb stick isn't mount before writing to it |
| 10:55.16 | dka | ok |
| 10:55.22 | ratrace | dka: are you asking about copying the ISO onto a stick, or makign your own bootable stick, with modifications from that ISO as source? |
| 10:55.39 | ratrace | (keyword: with modifications) |
| 10:55.58 | dka | I don't want to edit any iso, I got firmware-10.5.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso and it's fine |
| 10:56.00 | jelly | lsblk will show you disks/block devices, you can figure out which sdX your USB stick it by size, probably |
| 10:56.16 | dka | I only want to make it bootable so I can format my server and install debian with it |
| 10:56.24 | ratrace | dka: then cp it is. alternatively some people prefer dd . |
| 10:56.29 | jelly | it's bootable from usb by default. |
| 10:56.48 | jelly | if your server can boot from usb storage you'll be fine |
| 10:56.55 | diogenes_ | dd is more complicated. |
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| 10:57.20 | jelly | !usb install |
| 10:57.20 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. Use http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ to write images from Windows. For BIOSes not capable of USB boot, ask me about <plop>. |
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| 11:12.47 | tomreyn | just a suggestion: pointing to /dev/disk/by-id/ may help novices identify the correct target more safely (than saying "/dev/sdx") |
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| 11:37.15 | Psil0Cybin | just wanted to popo back in and say thanks |
| 11:37.17 | Psil0Cybin | got it working now |
| 11:37.26 | Psil0Cybin | HP is the worst for linux tho. |
| 11:37.44 | Psil0Cybin | it cannot find my touch pad drivers, and wireless drivers this will be afun weekened. |
| 11:38.11 | oxek | how come if I run this from bash: dash -c 'echo "${SHELL}"' I get /env/bash? Does dash (or sh) not change $SHELL? |
| 11:40.31 | dka | I have Partition(s) 1 on /dev/sda have been written, but we have been unable to inform the kernel of the change, probably because it/they are in use. As a result, the old partition(s) will remain in use. You should reboot now before making further changes. |
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| 11:40.42 | dka | This happen when I try to format my usb drive with gparted |
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| 11:41.39 | diogenes_ | Psil0Cybin, i only buy HPs and they have always been reliable and work out of the box with linux, just don't buy a brand new machine and expect everything to work. |
| 11:43.51 | tomreyn | diogenes_: FWIW, I can't confirm 'out of the box' with a recent but not new hp laptop model. but it'd work good enough with some modifications. |
| 11:44.52 | tomreyn | this is a 'convertible', business-oriented, firmware overloaded, model, though. |
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| 11:46.03 | diogenes_ | tomreyn, any recent 2020 machines (except intel NUCs i guess) would have firmware missing issues. |
| 11:46.10 | tomreyn | (so most of the time HP may still work fine, i don't have enough samples to know) |
| 11:47.18 | tomreyn | i think it's a 2019 model i have there https://support.hp.com/us-en/product/hp-elitebook-x360-830-g6-notebook-pc/26625607/document/c06355681 |
| 11:48.23 | tomreyn | everything you'd prefer not to have on the mainboard firmware is present. ;-) |
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| 11:51.42 | tomreyn | dka: did you have a question about this situation? |
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| 12:27.47 | tehuty_ | postconf -d myhostname gets it's information from gethostname() so this broken on debian? |
| 12:35.07 | jelly | tehuty_, it's not broken, just different conventions compared to say RHEL and friends |
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| 12:50.07 | jelly | tehuty_, is uname(2), the backend for gethostname(3), supposed to return a fqdn in utsname->nodename, or just a short name? |
| 12:52.39 | jelly | and for some reason gethostname is also in (2) but strace postconf -d ... does not show a syscall like that is done |
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| 14:04.57 | dka | is this correct: sudo umount /dev/sda1 && sudo cp firmware-10.5.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso /dev/sda1 && sync |
| 14:04.58 | dka | ? |
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| 14:08.52 | oxek | dka: likely not |
| 14:09.42 | oxek | you don't know how many partitions on /dev/sda are mounted, and you'd need to unmount them all, and you should probably cp the .iso to the block device directly as opposed to a partition on the block device, so specify /dev/sda instead of /dev/sda1 |
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| 14:12.46 | oxek | also, unless you're on an nvme ssd, /dev/sda is likely pointing to an actual harddrive, so be careful with that - you might probably need /dev/sdb or similar |
| 14:13.52 | oxek | that's why we have /dev/disk/by-uuid and similar instead |
| 14:14.20 | dka | it seems like it worked |
| 14:14.25 | dka | I will try to boot from it now |
| 14:14.52 | ratrace | it'll "work" in that it won't error out, but you can't boot that stick, from those exact commands |
| 14:14.56 | oxek | I'd be surprised if cp to /dev/sda1 will make it bootable |
| 14:15.27 | ratrace | dka: so like oxek said, assuming sda is the USB stick and not something else, you must cp to the device itself (sda), not its first partition (sda1) |
| 14:15.49 | dka | so how did i get the files on the usb stick with that exact cmd |
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| 14:16.55 | ratrace | that particular command would only copy the ISO contents to the 1st partition, bit-by-bit, not as a file being copied to a filesystem |
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| 14:24.51 | dka | well I cant boot on it |
| 14:25.02 | dka | thats why I asked for an article. so if that command is wrong |
| 14:25.06 | dka | whats the right command |
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| 14:44.19 | ratrace | dka: the ISO itself is a "snapshot" of entire USB contents, partitioning included, so you must copy it to the whole device itself, not a partition on it. |
| 14:45.22 | ratrace | dka: so if /dev/sda is the correct device (the USB), that's where you `cp` the ISO to. It's just that 'sda' is quite an uncommon designation for a device you didn't boot from |
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| 15:06.58 | oxek | how come if I run this from bash: dash -c 'echo "${SHELL}"' I get /bin/bash? Does dash (or sh) not change $SHELL? |
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| 15:22.23 | nkuttler | oxek: try #bash, i'd guess the variable is evaluated by bash, before invoking dash |
| 15:23.13 | nkuttler | or, actually SHELL might not be set by dash |
| 15:23.52 | sney | bash does try to evaluate any variables/wildcards first |
| 15:27.18 | oxek | odd thing is that if I configure my terminal emulator to start dash directly, it still shows that $SHELL is /bin/bash |
| 15:27.27 | oxek | I'll test stuff and see what i find |
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| 15:29.49 | nkuttler | oxek: i'd guess it inherits, SHELL is dash for me as login shell |
| 15:30.45 | oxek | I booted with init=/bin/dash, and $SHELL is empty. Then I started bash and $SHELL is /bin/bash, and then I started dash from bash, and $SHELL is again empty |
| 15:30.49 | oxek | something is strange |
| 15:31.13 | sney | sounds like that's not a variable that dash sets. |
| 15:31.56 | nkuttler | like i said, when used as login shell i get /bin/dash as SHELL |
| 15:32.10 | nkuttler | (this is on unstable though) |
| 15:33.58 | oxek | nice, I got kernel panic by exiting from dash |
| 15:34.15 | oxek | probably expected though |
| 15:34.49 | sney | the one you were using as init? yes. |
| 15:34.59 | oxek | indeed |
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| 17:35.54 | karlpinc | oxek: Try using the "login" command. |
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| 17:50.26 | oxek | karlpinc: I wouldn't know how. I think I'll just live with it, it's not great a deal, just means I can't rely on $SHELL actually being a reliable indicator of what the shell is. |
| 17:50.30 | oxek | which it probably never was |
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| 17:50.58 | oxek | was hoping to use to in scripts, to see if dash (sh) or bash was in use |
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| 18:17.59 | Allain | Hello everybody |
| 18:18.23 | Allain | If someone knows something about inputrc ? |
| 18:18.28 | Allain | bash: /etc/inputrc: Permission denied |
| 18:18.29 | Allain | \e[A:: command not found |
| 18:18.29 | Allain | \e[B:: command not found |
| 18:18.55 | Allain | Permission denied comes after "$include /etc/inputrc" |
| 18:20.30 | Allain | \e[A and B are allways in error but working |
| 18:22.00 | Allain | I want to get rit of those messages, it's not clean for my loved terminal :) |
| 18:22.13 | oxek | what are you trying to do? |
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| 18:23.51 | Allain | Just history-search-backward and forward, typing the command then the arrows to find say all commands beginning with nano |
| 18:24.12 | Allain | and only those |
| 18:24.54 | Allain | Take note I don't have the problem with root, only with my users an Bullseye and stretch |
| 18:26.24 | oxek | you've done something really strange to get those errors |
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| 18:30.50 | DLange | Allain: you don't include inputrc |
| 18:31.16 | DLange | it is automatically loaded by libreadline |
| 18:31.20 | Allain | oxek my ~/.inputrc https://paste.debian.net/1162778/ |
| 18:31.22 | DLange | (and thus bash) |
| 18:33.23 | Allain | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1786 févr. 12 2019 /etc/inputrc |
| 18:33.23 | Allain | -rw-r--r-- 1 alain alain 815 sept. 4 19:35 /home/alain/.inputrc |
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| 19:12.16 | Allain | DLange if i don't include /etc/inputrc it write ;5C and ;5D on the terminal instead of doing ctrl-right and left |
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| 19:16.48 | DLange | Allain: you need to run a new shell once you change inputrc (or re-read the config file but that's a bit advanced) |
| 19:17.07 | DLange | if it prints stuff instead of doing stuff, you have a mistake in the inputrc file |
| 19:17.36 | DLange | I suggest to remove .inputrc and only work with /etc/inputrc |
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| 19:39.52 | f8e4 | hey, |
| 19:39.59 | f8e4 | how to redo the last bash command in terminal shortcut? |
| 19:40.49 | jmcnaught | f8e4: !! |
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| 19:50.03 | Psil0Cybin | hey i need help i am able to install fedora core workstation on my HP new laptop and it works perfectly fien but i really want to run DEbian instead |
| 19:50.13 | Psil0Cybin | what is the best ISO that i can compare to the workstation from fedora? |
| 19:51.08 | petn-randall | Psil0Cybin: No idea what Fedora Core Workstation is, but have you tried installing with the firmware installer? |
| 19:51.12 | petn-randall | !firmware installer |
| 19:51.12 | dpkg | Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/ch06s04 . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. |
| 19:52.33 | Psil0Cybin | petn-randall, so what do i know what i am missing from the Fedora ISO file that Debian clearly is missing |
| 19:52.50 | Psil0Cybin | like how do i figure out the firmware image for the specific laptop because fedora core works out of the box but again i really just want debian since i am so used to it |
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| 19:59.23 | jmcnaught | Psil0Cybin: the unofficial firmware ISO simply includes all the firmwares that are legally allowed to be distributed. You can run a command like "dmesg | grep -i firmware" to see which firmwares you might need that are missing. |
| 20:00.38 | jmcnaught | Psil0Cybin: there's a chapter of the install manual with more information about firmwares during installation: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04.en.html (note it links to the unofficial ISO which is the simplest way to go). |
| 20:00.42 | oxek | is there any public firmware that is not legal to distribute? |
| 20:01.01 | another | !firmware images |
| 20:01.01 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ The images are "unofficial" because "official Debian" includes only 100% free software. |
| 20:02.01 | jmcnaught | oxek: there's a package b43-fwcutter that extracts the firmware from a file it downloads during installation because the firmware itself cannot be redistributed |
| 20:02.47 | jmcnaught | there might be others like it but that's one I know about. |
| 20:02.57 | oxek | jmcnaught: interesting, thanks |
| 20:03.11 | oxek | broadcom, right? Bad company for linux. |
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| 20:20.27 | f8e4 | jmcnaught ty |
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| 20:29.46 | jmcnaught | f8e4: here's another one: ^search^replace on the command line. For example you could run "systemctl start foo" then on the next line "^start^status" would run the previous command substituting 'start' with 'status' resulting in "systemctl status foo" |
| 20:33.30 | dka | if I use this command: : sudo cp firmware-10.5.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso /dev/sda && sync |
| 20:33.36 | dka | SHould I first format the usb key? |
| 20:35.57 | dax | no need, that command overwrites any partitioning and formatting already on the usb key |
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| 20:40.19 | lupulo | dka https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/ -> burn ISO dd if=<file> of=<device> bs=4M; sync |
| 20:40.58 | dax | the FAQ says that cp command is fine too. |
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| 20:41.11 | towo` | it is, same as cat |
| 20:42.41 | cluonbeam | And cp is fraught with far fewer complications than dd and all of its incantations. |
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| 20:47.50 | otisolsen70 | Where do users's crontab reside on the filesystem? (need to restore one from backup) |
| 20:48.26 | ratrace | otisolsen70: /var/spool/cron/crontabs/<user> |
| 20:48.39 | ratrace | cluonbeam: curious, what complications? |
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| 20:49.10 | otisolsen70 | ratrace, thanks! |
| 20:49.35 | cluonbeam | Having to futz unnecessarily with block sizes, etc. |
| 20:49.53 | ratrace | cp is 128k by default, right? |
| 20:54.29 | karlpinc | jmcnaught, f8e4: I always use the emacs key bindings. Control-p for previous line, Alt-backspace for delete the last word, type "status"... |
| 21:00.38 | jmcnaught | That's cool. There's also Alt-. for pasting the last argument of the previous line. |
| 21:04.20 | jhutchins | Wow, latest update to chrome in stretch loads a LOT faster than the previous version. |
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| 21:36.17 | dka | ok |
| 21:36.40 | dka | I am trying to install debian on a ssd that alreayd have debian install |
| 21:36.59 | dka | so I went into the partitionning of the disk and when I have finished , i got this error |
| 21:37.45 | dka | Error informing the kernel about modifications to partition /dev/sda7 -- device or resource busy. this means linux wont know about ny changes you made to /dev/sda7 until you reboot -- so you shouldn't mount it or use it in any way before rebooting Error !!! |
| 21:37.58 | dka | I can ignore, cancel or go back |
| 21:38.04 | dka | what should I do now? |
| 21:38.54 | jhutchins | dka: which relese? Which installer? What is your partitioning? |
| 21:38.57 | jhutchins | !paste |
| 21:38.57 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: https://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: https://imgbb.com/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): https://filebin.net or https://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <termbin>. |
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| 21:39.03 | dka | i downloaded the latest release |
| 21:39.11 | jhutchins | dka: Which file? |
| 21:39.11 | dka | it's a ssd of 260Gb |
| 21:39.24 | dka | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:40.09 | dka | all are ext4: I want 48GB bootable for /, 14 GB /opt, 10GB /srv, 68GB /home and 100GB /var/lib/docker |
| 21:40.16 | lupulo | dka why do you have reinstalled debian? |
| 21:40.31 | dka | because its an old desktop I am now turning into a server |
| 21:40.46 | dka | i dont need the desktop and partition change a bit |
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| 21:41.07 | jhutchins | I see five partitions, not seven. |
| 21:41.10 | lupulo | dka and you have formatted all again, don't you¿ |
| 21:41.36 | dka | why do you look for seven partition? |
| 21:41.54 | dka | yes I want to format and start from a clean install |
| 21:42.04 | dka | the old one is having a bunch of dev tools i dont need |
| 21:42.10 | dka | so i rather start from scratch |
| 21:42.18 | lupulo | dka and why do you ask if the old system know about? |
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| 21:42.32 | dka | ?? |
| 21:42.55 | jhutchins | dka: Because your error says /dev/sda7, implying that there are at least six others on the disk. |
| 21:43.09 | dka | i am not saying that |
| 21:43.12 | dka | debian is saying that |
| 21:43.13 | lupulo | dka you need remove the partition table |
| 21:43.23 | dka | i did remove the partition tables |
| 21:43.25 | lupulo | without nothing mounted |
| 21:43.40 | dka | i have a few othre HD connected jhutchins maybe thats why |
| 21:43.52 | jhutchins | lupulo: Might want to find out what's on there and where in the install process he is. |
| 21:44.43 | dka | this ssd used to be in raid 0 |
| 21:44.50 | dka | but I broke a SSD and now there is just one |
| 21:44.54 | dka | do i need to erase data on raid device? |
| 21:45.15 | dka | i mean, i changed the partitioning to ext4 but there is still raid listed up in the list |
| 21:45.20 | jhutchins | dka: No, those would be other devices - /dev/sda, /dev/sdb, etc/ sda7 is on the first hard drive and is the 7th partition. |
| 21:45.35 | dka | perhaps its the raid |
| 21:45.48 | lupulo | jhutchins etc/ you mean etc... |
| 21:46.01 | jhutchins | lupulo: Yep. |
| 21:46.22 | lupulo | dka if you boot from usb, and you do fdisk -l you don't see mounted nothing |
| 21:46.47 | jhutchins | dka: I suspect your raid may still be running, perhaps you have not rebooted since disabling it. |
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| 21:47.13 | jhutchins | dka: You're really not giving us to work with here. Tell us what you've done so far. |
| 21:48.28 | alexrelis[m] | Is there any way to enable multi-factor authentication with PAM with three factors to authenticate (password, google-authenticator, and biometric), but can still let you in when you can only provide two out of the three authentication methods? I wanted to just have password and google-authenticator, but I'm afraid I'll get locked out of my system if my phone runs out of battery. |
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| 21:53.24 | lupulo | alexrelis[m] i only listen about this https://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8338 |
| 21:53.41 | cluonbeam | alexrelis[m]: Ever consider a yubikey? |
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| 21:56.30 | alexrelis[m] | cluonbeam: Yeah, but I'm also scared of losing that, lol. If it had it so that I had 3 options to authenticate and only needed 2 I wouldn't be in danger of losing access to my system. But if I had a fingerprint to scan just in case my phone is out of battery or lost then it wouldn't be so bad. |
| 21:57.31 | cluonbeam | alexrelis[m]: keychain, man. That's where mine stays. If I lose my yubikey, I've also lost my OTHER keys, so that's not going to happen. |
| 21:57.55 | mutante | alexrelis[m]: you can definitely stack the methods and for each individual auth method you can define if it's "required" or "sufficient" or "optional". see "man pam.d" for the details what it means. but basically it's the difference between "ignore failure or not". What i don't see though is a real "any 2 out of 3". |
| 21:58.25 | cluonbeam | You could put two sufficient auth options in a row. The preferred first, and the backup second. |
| 21:58.38 | cluonbeam | If the preferred fails, it falls to the second, and if that succeeds, you're good. |
| 21:58.41 | Ede|Popede | ,file |
| 21:58.42 | judd | (file <pattern> [--arch <amd64>] [--release <stable>] [--regex | --exact]) -- Returns packages that include files matching <pattern> which, by default, is interpreted as a glob (see glob(7)). If --regex is given, the pattern is treated as a extended regex (see regex(7); note not PCRE!). If --exact is given, the exact filename is required. The current stable release and amd64 are searched by |
| 21:58.43 | judd | default. |
| 21:58.57 | alexrelis[m] | cluonbeam: That sounds sufficient enough. Thanks. |
| 21:59.00 | cluonbeam | alexrelis[m]: What I would suggest is a yubikey as primary, and g-auth token as secondary. If you lose your yubikey, you're good. If your phone dies, you're good. |
| 21:59.02 | alexrelis[m] | mutante: And thanks as well. |
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| 21:59.24 | cluonbeam | I have never met with much success in terms of biometrics on Linux. |
| 21:59.30 | cluonbeam | But if you can get it working, go nuts. :) |
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| 22:00.15 | mutante | alexrelis[m]: also i would recommend to replace Google Authenticator with Authy app. it will work whereever Google Authenticator works but you can have a backup which is encrypted with your own key. so you can move to another device if you lost your phone |
| 22:00.37 | mutante | (and have backup codes/restore passphrase saved elsewhere) |
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| 22:01.00 | mutante | also.. Google Authenticator saves the secret in plain text on the device |
| 22:01.02 | alexrelis[m] | mutante: Thank you. I personally use andOTP, which supports encrypted backups. |
| 22:01.21 | mutante | ah, ok. another alternative. interesting |
| 22:01.23 | alexrelis[m] | mutante: That's really lame.. and typical of Google. |
| 22:01.39 | cluonbeam | FreeOTP, some password managers support it, e.g. Bitwarden. |
| 22:01.58 | alexrelis[m] | I used Authy before, but I stopped using it for a reason I entirely forgot about. |
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| 22:13.55 | cluonbeam | I use Bitwarden for most things because I can run my own sync server. |
| 22:17.27 | alexrelis[m] | cluonbeam: I love Bitwarden. |
| 22:17.50 | alexrelis[m] | But doesn't putting OTP in your password manager kind of defeat the purpose? |
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| 22:18.05 | cluonbeam | MFA on the password manager. |
| 22:18.16 | cluonbeam | In my case, U2F token. |
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| 22:18.42 | cluonbeam | No different than having all of your tokens in a single app on the same device as your password manager. |
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| 22:22.32 | alexrelis[m] | cluonbeam: Are the OTP tokens you add synced to your sync server? |
| 22:24.04 | cluonbeam | Yup. |
| 22:24.17 | cluonbeam | The storage of which is encrypted. |
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| 22:29.09 | dka | I have now |
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| 22:29.36 | dka | Failed to create a file system: the ext4 file system creation in partition #1 of scsi1 (0,0,0) (sda) failed |
| 22:30.01 | dka | what the hell is going on, this new message appeared after I unplogged two HD not necessary for formating |
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| 22:38.57 | alexrelis[m] | cluonbeam: Hmm.. But isn't the whole point of OTP the ability to authenticate with a secondary device if that makes sense? If somebody has access to your master key, then they have access to everything. If you made sure your OTP was only stored on your phone (or a single device) and only made backup codes on paper, then if an attacker had access to your password manager, they would also need access to your phone, or |
| 22:38.57 | alexrelis[m] | access to wherever you stored those recovery codes to get in. |
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| 22:49.04 | cluonbeam | alexrelis[m]: But they don't have access to everything. The Bitwarden DB requires 2FA to decrypt. Without my Yubikey, you have squat. |
| 22:49.09 | cluonbeam | Yubikey AND passphrase. |
| 22:49.54 | cluonbeam | So, sure, take my phone. Good luck. You'll need it. |
| 22:50.27 | alexrelis[m] | Hmmm.. I might need one of those Yubikeys then, haha. |
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| 22:52.07 | cluonbeam | I buy them in pairs. One to carry and use, and one locked in a safe at home - just in case. |
| 22:52.17 | cluonbeam | I register them both with a given service simultaneously. |
| 22:58.33 | dka | hi guys |
| 22:58.38 | dka | I want to format my host with debian |
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| 22:58.45 | dka | I have issue while partionning my SSD drive |
| 22:58.48 | dka | can anyone help? |
| 22:58.50 | yanmaani | How do you install a package without its dependency? |
| 22:58.57 | yanmaani | alt. how do you find which package provides file X? |
| 22:59.10 | dka | it gives me red screen with just Faield to create a file system |
| 22:59.22 | yanmaani | dka: Is there anything on it right now? |
| 22:59.44 | dka | no its me |
| 22:59.53 | dka | i am pretty sure that it is related with the old raid1 device |
| 23:00.22 | yanmaani | Well, isn't it just to create a file system then? |
| 23:00.32 | dka | yes |
| 23:00.38 | dka | ill take capture of my screen just a sec |
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| 23:09.34 | dka | So this is my error while installing and partionning my disk for debian : https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/1866564/92314826-823bf600-efdd-11ea-9811-3671bc43d359.png , this is the partitions: https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/1866564/92314823-76503400-efdd-11ea-8e32-a36bd4f2638e.png , i think this may cause the issue https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/1866564/92314813-5fa9dd00-efdd-11ea-8e7e-39b8ce41cce4.png as I dont |
| 23:09.34 | dka | want any RAID drive |
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| 23:12.23 | dka | any clue yanmaani ? |
| 23:14.05 | sney | when you get that error, you can hit alt-f4 to see the info console, where it might give you more useful details as to why the installer couldn't create the filesystem. |
| 23:15.00 | sney | if you don't want a raid, that's fine, but it shouldn't stop you from installing to sda normally. your partition layout is a little oddball but should be fully supported. |
| 23:15.51 | sney | the detected raid devices in your screenshot are not being changed by the installer so they have nothing to do with the problem |
| 23:16.21 | oxek | 'wipefs' would be my tool of choice |
| 23:16.52 | sney | that's nice, but wipefs is not included in the installer environment and this is an installer problem. |
| 23:18.29 | sney | and in any case: according to those screenshots, sda is a 240GB ssd with no pre-existing raid metadata, and sda is the only disk where changes are being made. the raid is a red herring, and irrelevant |
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| 23:19.15 | sney | dka could manually disconnect the raid members to be sure, though. |
| 23:19.29 | dka | what do you mean? |
| 23:19.51 | dka | so alt+f4 does |
| 23:20.07 | dka | partman: /dev/sda1 is apparently in use by the system; will not make a filesystem here |
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| 23:21.29 | sney | dka: how many physical disks does this system have? |
| 23:21.33 | dka | 1 |
| 23:21.42 | oxek | my understanding is that there are only 2 storage devices - the ssd and the flash drive. The ssd contains old RAID metadata at the beggining of the drive, which debian installer uses to display those RAID entries, and then tries to create MBR & partitions. |
| 23:21.45 | sney | sigh, so the raid members are partitions on the disk. |
| 23:21.46 | oxek | this will of course fail |
| 23:21.59 | oxek | hence, the ssd needs to be wiped |
| 23:22.10 | dka | how |
| 23:22.19 | sney | just the beginning, which wipefs would do, if you had it in that environment. |
| 23:22.24 | oxek | dka: are you in the installer enviroment right now? |
| 23:22.31 | sney | you should be able to select each of those entries in partman and delete them through the menus. |
| 23:22.35 | dka | yes |
| 23:22.47 | dka | i already tried |
| 23:22.55 | dka | how can i exit alt+f4? |
| 23:23.01 | sney | alt-f1 |
| 23:23.06 | oxek | dka: run blkdiscard /dev/sda |
| 23:23.11 | dka | how can I run think? |
| 23:23.17 | sney | alt-f2 and f3 would take you to consoles where you can run things. |
| 23:23.41 | dka | blkdiscard: cant open /dev/sda device or resource busy |
| 23:24.38 | oxek | reboot the machine and run that command again |
| 23:25.04 | oxek | before you reach the partitioning step of the installation |
| 23:27.01 | dka | blkdiscard /dev/sda now hang |
| 23:27.20 | oxek | give it time |
| 23:27.25 | dka | and succeeded without any output |
| 23:27.27 | oxek | about a minute |
| 23:27.35 | oxek | the disk is now blank |
| 23:27.40 | oxek | you can proceed with the installation |
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| 23:31.29 | dka | you are a hero |
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| 23:35.59 | oxek | it's a nice feature of SSDs that they can be completely wiped easily |
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| 23:37.28 | dka | why dont I have usermod on clean install? |
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| 23:37.41 | dka | i just did apt-get install sudo and wanted to add my user to sudoers but I cant without it |
| 23:38.13 | dka | oh sorry, it's there |
| 23:38.35 | dka | was ifconfig remove? |
| 23:38.53 | oxek | 'ifconfig' is now 'ip' |
| 23:39.28 | dka | I know, but I kept using ifconfig |
| 23:39.36 | dka | is it now removed frm debian? |
| 23:39.48 | oxek | possibly, it really should not be used anymore |
| 23:40.08 | dka | I only use it to get the ipaddr or the mac address |
| 23:40.09 | n4dir | might be net-tools |
| 23:40.12 | dka | never got an issue with it |
| 23:40.22 | oxek | if you're really sure you cannot live without it, it is in the net-tools package |
| 23:40.24 | dka | thanks n4dir |
| 23:40.39 | n4dir | apt-file is a nice tool :-) |
| 23:40.39 | cluonbeam | dka: Stop using deprecated tools. Learn the new ones |
| 23:40.59 | dka | real world / utopie |
| 23:41.16 | cluonbeam | dka: net-tools was deprecated over a DECADE ago. Real world: Stop using them. Learn the new tools. |
| 23:41.18 | oxek | dka: is it that hard to type 'ip a' |
| 23:41.31 | cluonbeam | Fucking lazy people, I swear. |
| 23:41.44 | dka | :) |
| 23:41.47 | oxek | and using 'ip a -color' is really nice |
| 23:42.01 | oxek | ehh, I mean ip -color a |
| 23:42.17 | dka | -thanks |
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| 23:42.43 | oxek | you get the IP address and the MAC address nicely highlighted in different colors |
| 23:42.52 | oxek | that's how we have to sell 'ip' instead of ifconfig |
| 23:43.06 | n4dir | ha ha. yeah. good one |
| 23:43.32 | oxek | n4dir: unfortunately, I am being serious :-\ |
| 23:43.46 | cluonbeam | Or, you know... Don't use old/unmaintained tools that the devs said "stop using this" in, what, 2008 or 2009? |
| 23:43.48 | n4dir | yeah, me too. A nice way to "sell" it to people |
| 23:43.58 | cluonbeam | /shrug |
| 23:44.15 | n4dir | pretty sure that it was still default in debian 2009. |
| 23:44.48 | n4dir | I stopped bothering. I do whatever is the actual vogue. aka: what the devs consider to be hip. |
| 23:44.56 | oxek | hmm, I really like the colors in 'ip' |
| 23:45.05 | oxek | UP is green, DOWN is red, etc. |
| 23:45.12 | oxek | so pretty |
| 23:45.55 | cluonbeam | n4dir: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/03/msg00780.html |
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| 23:46.27 | cluonbeam | March 2009. |
| 23:46.38 | dka | how can I get iwlist ? |
| 23:47.03 | n4dir | yes, but that still doesn't make ip default back then. I might well be wrong still |
| 23:47.26 | oxek | dka: use 'iw' |
| 23:47.30 | n4dir | because, well, i started using PCs 2007, and i used ifconfig for the most part of that time. |
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| 23:47.51 | cluonbeam | n4dir: Not really relevant to the question. It's been declared deprecated for 11 years and six months. |
| 23:48.09 | cluonbeam | And the iproute toolset has been there for even longer than that. Time for people to move on. |
| 23:48.32 | oxek | dka: but if you really can't live without iwlist, it's in the wireless-tools package (which will also be removed "soon") |
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| 23:48.52 | cluonbeam | dka: Again: Learn the new tools. |
| 23:49.17 | oxek | new tools have pretty colors, try it and you'll love it |
| 23:49.27 | another | pro tip: alias ip='ip -color=auto' |
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| 23:49.52 | n4dir | of course it is relevant to what i said. It was the default back then. |
| 23:50.08 | alexrelis[m] | "cluonbeam" (https://matrix.to/#/@freenode_cluonbeam:matrix.org): another question: how do you use the Yubikey on Android? USB C adapter? |
| 23:50.36 | cluonbeam | alexrelis[m]: They have USB-C versions. |
| 23:50.46 | cluonbeam | Nothing that I have has a USB-A port, so the USB-C version is perfect. |
| 23:51.23 | cluonbeam | Android also supports use via NFC, so you could get the 5C if you're fine with USB-C only, or the 5 and use NFC for your Android and USB for everything else. |
| 23:52.07 | cluonbeam | They're SUPPOSEDLY coming out with a USB-C+NFC version "eventually(tm)". |
| 23:52.32 | another | double pro tip: alias ipa='ip -color=auto -brief address' |
| 23:55.54 | oxek | another: nice tips, do you have a list somewhere? |
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| 23:56.46 | oxek | I don't like that ip uses a single - instead of -- for long options |
| 23:56.51 | oxek | -brief, -color |
| 23:57.09 | oxek | especially horifying is that -br is -brief |
| 23:57.32 | another | yep, it's not ideal. but meh |
| 23:57.49 | n4dir | probably one of the cases where someone thought it is time to move on ... |
| 23:59.09 | another | oxek: you can also alias bridge, diff, grep, egrep, fgrep, ls for color |
