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| 00:01.03 | CyberManifest | never mind... I fix |
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| 00:39.23 | swift110 | i am on 4.9.0-12 |
| 00:39.57 | nvz | stretch was 4.9.0 |
| 00:40.19 | argent0 | Hi, I've installed 'dosfstools'. I can see 'man mkfs.vfat' but the command is not present in the path nor in /usr/bin. Neither is mkfs. What could be the issue? I'm running debian 10 |
| 00:40.26 | argent0 | buster |
| 00:40.32 | nvz | !buster su |
| 00:40.32 | dpkg | In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
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| 00:41.29 | argent0 | nvz: thanks I'll try that |
| 00:41.30 | nvz | its in /usr/sbin/ btw |
| 00:42.31 | nvz | which if you become root properly, should be in PATH but not as normal user |
| 00:43.07 | argent0 | ok, thanks for the info |
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| 00:45.53 | CyberManifest | I'm not sure if this is a raspberry pi specific question but ... I'm trying to use RealVNC on Debian Buster on my Raspberry Pi and https://www.realvnc.com/en/connect/audio/ says VNC now supports audio for version 6.7.2 ... I've made sure I've downloaded the latest versions of both the server and viewer... how do I get audio support? |
| 00:46.30 | nvz | CyberManifest: are you actually running X on this machine? |
| 00:48.45 | CyberManifest | nvz: https://termbin.com/au9k && https://termbin.com/s496c |
| 00:48.49 | nvz | realvnc isnt in debian that I'm aware of, its tightvnc or something.. and VNC is crap.. the only utility I ever saw in it is that it doesnt even require X to be installed.. but if you're trying to share an actual running X display, there are better options |
| 00:49.12 | CyberManifest | nvz, no I'm using realvnc |
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| 00:49.24 | nvz | sorry to hear that |
| 00:50.09 | CyberManifest | nvz, I'm wanting to share to an iPad do those other "better options" allow that? |
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| 00:54.29 | nvz | idk cause I haven't used IOS or Apple anything in over 10 years at least, and I havent used realvnc in at least that long either. |
| 00:54.47 | nvz | what I can tell you is, VNC is terrible, and whatever you think you're going to do, you're probably not |
| 00:55.35 | CyberManifest | oh, never mind found out it's in the paid version of realvnc |
| 00:55.49 | nvz | if you think you're gonna get any sort of realtime sync'd audio/video remotely from a pi on the ipad, its not gonna happen |
| 00:56.07 | sponix | CyberManifest: is this a Pi 4 you are on ? |
| 00:56.10 | CyberManifest | nvz: you may think VNC is terrible, but you haven't used it in over 10 years |
| 00:56.24 | CyberManifest | sponix: no Raspberry Pi 3 b+ |
| 00:56.28 | nvz | I doubt much has changed.. its vnc.. is like ftp.. its archaic |
| 00:56.47 | nvz | xpra, x2go, hell even rdp is better than VNC |
| 00:57.00 | sponix | CyberManifest: bit of a resource hog -- I just use teamviewer ... not sure if it has Pi support though |
| 00:57.07 | CyberManifest | sponix: I overclocked it to 1.5 GHz and use ZRAM ;) |
| 00:57.28 | nvz | @.@ |
| 00:57.38 | sponix | CyberManifest: sorry, but despite your efforts. the Pi 4 will still Crush it :P |
| 00:58.05 | CyberManifest | sponix: perhaps but mine is more immune to spectre than the Pi 4 |
| 00:59.23 | CyberManifest | sponix: https://termbin.com/au9k && https://termbin.com/s496c |
| 01:00.05 | CyberManifest | sponix: also I don't think element14 has made a pi desktop case / HAT for the pi 4 yet or if they ever will |
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| 01:04.14 | CyberManifest | nvz: also RealVNC was the default solution provided from/by raspberry pi org, was just following suite |
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| 01:07.54 | sponix | CyberManifest: I saw a Pi 4 case where it was Aluminum and with thermal pads used the whole case as one heat sink. No fans required, pretty sexy, somewhere on Amazon |
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| 01:09.51 | CyberManifest | sponix: well the element14 pi desktop case comes with a SATA over USB HAT that allows me to attach a Samsung EVO 860 in a neat form factor |
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| 01:10.51 | dvs | sponix, It's a FLirc case |
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| 01:13.23 | nvz | CyberManifest: yes well, if you fail to see how any of this interests me, I dont know what to tell you.. this is #debian.. we are not users/supporters of companies that profit from shitty archaic protocols, closed source, and trademarking industry standard three letter acronyms |
| 01:15.46 | CyberManifest | nvz: thanks for trolling instead of redirecting me elsewhere when I already wasn't sure if I was inquiring in the appropriate channel given this is all being attempted on Debian... also I can pass on your shitty attitude. |
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| 03:54.35 | thatpythonguy | does anyone here have experience using cgroups v2? |
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| 04:23.34 | varjack | Running debian 10, xfce, I'm having some weird behavior with systemd-logind.service |
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| 04:24.28 | varjack | Following the instructions here, https://wiki.debian.org/SystemdSuspendSedation , I've configured logind to suspend when I close my laptop lid |
| 04:25.17 | varjack | however, when I first start up and log in, logind starts up fine, but my computer doesn't go to sleep when I close the lid. When I try to restart systemd-logind, it hangs until I touch the logind.conf file. After I touch the file, it restarts, and my laptop suspends fine after that |
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| 04:30.09 | Unit193 | varjack: Do you have xfce4-power-manager running? |
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| 04:35.55 | varjack | I'm not sure |
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| 04:36.45 | varjack | it looks like it is |
| 04:37.07 | Unit193 | You may want to check the configuration of that. |
| 04:37.13 | varjack | oh, yeah, there it is |
| 04:37.15 | varjack | lol thanks |
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| 04:37.46 | Unit193 | Sure thing! I know it inhibits logind so when a desktop user changes settings they're not surprised. Amusingly in this case... |
| 04:38.31 | varjack | heh, I guess when logind was restarted it took precedence |
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| 05:15.53 | plp__ | does debian easy recognize wifi dongles on laptops, been having issues with getting a libre-linux to install? And I'm tired of messing with it if i can find an easier solution. |
| 05:17.21 | Unit193 | ...Pretty sure with libre-linux your chances of having effortless wireless drop quite a lot, but I could be wrong. |
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| 05:51.57 | plp__ | what about debian does it effortless do wireless? |
| 05:53.04 | plp__ | my wifi dongle is an usb TP-LINK TL-WN722N |
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| 06:00.33 | sney | plp__: most wifi adapters are supported out of the box but firmware is required. |
| 06:00.35 | sney | !firmware image |
| 06:00.35 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 06:00.57 | sney | installing with this image, it will generally Just Work. |
| 06:01.55 | sney | I believe the only wifi adapters that don't need firmware are in the ath5k/ath9k family, and those are getting rarer now |
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| 06:35.44 | Guest566 | i'd like to ask about opinions regarding an unusual upgrade of Debian 10 with the line: |
| 06:36.12 | Guest566 | "The following packages have been kept back: |
| 06:36.12 | Guest566 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:36.12 | Guest566 | " |
| 06:36.44 | Guest566 | is it smart to do a dist-upgrade because of one package? |
| 06:39.20 | rudi_s | Guest566: Sure, run apt-get dist-upgrade and see that it will do. It might want to remove a package so check the output before confirming. |
| 06:39.51 | Guest566 | it might be of matter that my cpu is intel |
| 06:40.11 | bendem | is that desktop, server or VM? |
| 06:40.16 | Guest566 | desktop |
| 06:40.23 | bendem | do it then |
| 06:40.59 | Guest566 | ok, thanks so far |
| 06:41.07 | bendem | linux-image updates only improve hardware support, can't go wrong unless you have weird kernel modules |
| 06:41.22 | bendem | which you don't, or you'd know about having to update it or not |
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| 06:47.49 | Guest566 | get a lot of warnings regarding the nouveau module, i have a nVidia graphic board |
| 06:48.21 | Guest566 | is that a kernel module? |
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| 06:57.54 | nvz | yes there are 3 possible modules noveau, nv, and nvidia |
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| 07:05.05 | Guest566 | Ok, i understand that this is a minor issue, otherwise dist-upgrade worked well. Thanks |
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| 07:18.57 | plp__ | which install image is recommended for install via wifi on a laptop? |
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| 07:19.58 | nvz | !firmware images |
| 07:19.58 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 07:34.56 | plp__ | thanks the installer isn't detecting my wifi dongle but this laptop has an intergrated wifi card as well. If I install via a cable could I enable my wifi card later? |
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| 07:36.21 | nvz | perhaps |
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| 07:36.45 | nvz | if the installer isnt detecting it though it may not be supported.. are you in the installer now with the wifi adapter present? |
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| 07:38.30 | plp__ | yes |
| 07:39.10 | plp__ | it's wierd because the wifi dongle light doesn't even come on at all |
| 07:40.15 | nvz | that may not happen until after the firmware loads properly |
| 07:40.54 | lovemytux | After the installation, you can enable buster-backports and install firmware-iwlwifi package |
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| 07:43.42 | nvz | hmm, seems lspci is on the installer but not lsusb |
| 07:44.17 | nvz | plp__: it /is/ possible its supported but just not by buster's kernel/firmware.. you may have better luck with the buster-backports firmware/kernel |
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| 07:46.09 | nvz | plp__: if you can get some info from it maybe we can figure it out.. |
| 07:47.00 | nvz | plp__: I'd try from the installer press ctrl+alt+f2 activate that console, and type dmesg | grep usb or you can do this afterwards more easily if you can get it installed |
| 07:47.18 | nvz | but the idVendor and idProduct should be in dmesg though |
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| 07:51.20 | alx^ | RoyK, kline, thanks for the alarm infos. Any chance of an existing software package/script simplifying the temps management (again, just to send e-mails), or should I just go on scripting my own thing ? |
| 07:51.53 | nvz | plp__: your best shot though is probably to enable buster-backports and install the latest kernel and firmware from backports |
| 07:52.08 | nvz | after the system is up and running that is |
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| 08:02.18 | plp__ | nvz: okay thanks |
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| 09:15.17 | genr8_ | apt-get remove libwacom2 |
| 09:15.24 | genr8_ | *removes entire system* |
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| 09:25.49 | Daedbffe | Hi, how can I interpolate the release name in a preseed file? |
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| 09:26.56 | Daedbffe | IE, I have a repo that has the url https://some.repo/stretch or https://some.repo/buster depending on which release I'm using, I'd like to use a single preseed file for pxebooting either stretch or buster hosts, so would like to populate the release portion of the URL with a variable |
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| 09:39.03 | lowin | Hello. In my centos system, when I open a sshfs location with thunar, it gets mounted in /run/user/1000/gvfs and I can access the files with any program. But in debian, I can only access the files with thunar, and have to copy them over if I want to edit them for example |
| 09:39.18 | lowin | How can I get the same behavior as in centos? |
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| 09:39.42 | oxek | lowin: install gvfs-fuse and gvfs-backends |
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| 09:40.26 | oxek | and logout after that |
| 09:40.43 | oxek | (or maybe even restart, I'm not sure now how gvfs works) |
| 09:42.17 | lowin | Alright I'll give it a try. thank you |
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| 09:46.55 | lowin | oxek, It worked. thanks for the help |
| 09:47.01 | lowin | I had to reboot |
| 09:47.18 | oxek | lowin: I had the same problem for cifs, sshfs and mtp mounts |
| 09:48.18 | oxek | it might be a documented issue somewhere, that debian does not install gvfs-backends and gvfs-fuse by default, but I am notoriously bad at finding documentation |
| 09:50.14 | lowin | Thank the irc gods for inventing a place to get such answers quickly then |
| 09:50.27 | oxek | you were just lucky |
| 09:50.34 | oxek | I had to search for the solution for many hours |
| 09:50.48 | oxek | until I found a note somewhere on the website for 'gigolo' |
| 09:51.07 | lowin | Yeah I think I tried looking for an answer before, but gave up after I couldn't find it |
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| 12:18.23 | maxrazer | Does anyone know how to set control + [ to send the escape command? |
| 12:19.25 | alexrelis[m] | How do I find out what Intel Microcode I'm running? I want to see if I'm using the microcode from my BIOS and whether or not it's the latest version. |
| 12:20.10 | maxrazer | alexrelis[m], I know there is a package intel-microcode. You can see if it is installed. That is as far as I know. |
| 12:21.14 | maxrazer | And amd64-microcode. |
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| 12:22.54 | alexrelis[m] | maxrazer: I had it installed for awhile but now I removed it with the assumption that my BIOS has the latest version and I want to confirm that that is true. |
| 12:24.38 | maxrazer | alexrelis[m], I haven't researched this topic much. I don't think there is a benefit to removing the package. It was installed for me by default. I think the package insures the latest version is used and there is no need to remove it. |
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| 12:26.00 | alexrelis[m] | maxrazer: Right, but could it be that the version in Debian is older than the one on my BIOS? I'm using Coreboot. |
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| 12:27.59 | maxrazer | alexrelis[m], I'm don't know that level of detail on those topics. |
| 12:28.30 | alexrelis[m] | maxrazer: It is okay. Thank you for your help. |
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| 12:41.39 | alexrelis[m] | Here is the output of my `zgrep "microcode" /proc/cpuinfo`: |
| 12:41.39 | alexrelis[m] | https://paste.debian.net/1160014/ |
| 12:41.39 | alexrelis[m] | I don't know what it means though. |
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| 12:44.56 | nevivurn | maxrazer: those seems to be revision numbers, debian microcode package changelogs list those at least. |
| 12:45.53 | maxrazer | alexrelis[m], see what nevivurn said. |
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| 12:46.32 | nevivurn | Ah, I can't read it seems. Didn't mean to ping you |
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| 12:48.09 | alexrelis[m] | nevivurn: How would I know if those revision numbers are old or new? |
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| 12:50.49 | nevivurn | Not too familiar with how this stuff works with intel machines, but I assume the revision numbers are specified *somewhere*. You know what /proc/cpuinfo reports, so I would try cross-checking with other sources (eg. your hardware vendor, etc.) |
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| 13:14.29 | hop | whoo-boy. as far as i could find out, there is no rhyme or reason to those numbers |
| 13:15.01 | hop | or any place to look up what's what |
| 13:16.00 | nevivurn | And it also looks like debian packages have purposefully rolled back occasionally, so you'd need to look out for bad microcode revisions too. |
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| 13:27.23 | alexrelis[m] | hop: I got in contact with the #coreboot guys, showed them my full /proc/cpuinfo (https://paste.debian.net/1160017/) and they said I'm using the latest revision. So luckily I'm in the clear. |
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| 13:30.18 | hop | alexrelis[m]: good! only that is not a strategy one can generalise ;) |
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| 14:50.59 | jamesc|2 | under /etc/network/interfaces what is network used for ? it seem auxiliary ? |
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| 15:08.57 | hop | jamesc|2: i don't think that's even documented anymore |
| 15:09.06 | hop | jamesc|2: you don't need it, but where did you get it from? |
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| 15:20.35 | somiaj | jamesc|2: some options require additional packages. Though I don't know what 'network' does, I do know that the dns-nameserver and dns-search require resolvconf (so it could be an option which requires an additional package) |
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| 15:21.49 | somiaj | ls /etc/network/if-up.d/ |
| 15:22.21 | somiaj | jamesc|2: you can also have hooks that use the options in that file, though I'm not finding antying on 'network' yet |
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| 15:28.37 | jamesc|2 | its legacy config it seems. |
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| 15:35.16 | hop | ip/netmask/network is 33% redundant |
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| 15:43.41 | RoyK | hop: add broadcast ;) |
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| 15:50.55 | hop | right. and for extra safety, additionally spec it with cidr as well, too |
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| 17:04.19 | badsektor | should i let snap install a new version of gnome just to install some other simple package? |
| 17:04.44 | badsektor | - Download snap "gnome-3-28-1804" (128) from channel "stable" (context canceled |
| 17:06.11 | badsektor | that's actually an older version of gnome |
| 17:06.12 | badsektor | bizarre |
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| 17:11.46 | tzero | has snapshot.debian.org been returning 500s for others more frequently lately? |
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| 17:13.51 | petn-randall | tzero: Somebody mentioned the same issues on #debian-next (on OFTC) several hours ago. |
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| 17:16.52 | tzero | ah, good to know it's not just me, thanks! |
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| 17:35.55 | sponix | !sns |
| 17:35.55 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
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| 18:30.46 | fireba11 | hmpf .. after latest updates my NFS fails to start ... it's probably starting too early, the mounts aren't ready at that point (it's a raid5 luks with 16TB on a rather slow CPU). i added a delay to the unit file, but shouldn't there be a dependency chacking that? |
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| 18:31.23 | sney | the unit file will also show the dependencies, so you tell us |
| 18:31.48 | fireba11 | sney: question is: what SHOULD it depend on for that to work :-) |
| 18:36.19 | sney | maybe local-fs? but if the defaults aren't working for you, you will probably need to tinker with it to find the most appropriate |
| 18:36.48 | sney | also, look at your apt log for what relevant packages were updated just before the issue started, and check the BTS to see if anyone else has already reported this/figured out a solution |
| 18:38.56 | fireba11 | nope, no bug yet. my guess is that luks unlock just takes too long on my slow box with the large volume ;-) |
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| 18:40.23 | sney | then you may want to report one. a regression in stable is definitely grounds for a bug report. |
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| 18:41.01 | fireba11 | aye. let's see what apt changed over the last days ... |
| 18:42.41 | fireba11 | ah. nfs-kernel-server changed last week .. |
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| 18:54.54 | cstls | hi, i've botched my sources.list i think, because i'm getting a 404 when i'm trying to reinstall some gnome packages, particularly fwupd. it looks like it's not grabbing the correct version that's in the stable branch.. i've run apt update beforehand but getting this |
| 18:54.58 | cstls | Err:1 http://deb.debian.org/debian buster/main amd64 fwupd amd64 1.2.5-2 404 Not Found [IP: 2a04:4e42:2c::204 80] |
| 18:57.24 | mutante | cstls: maybe paste the sources.list file? |
| 18:59.28 | cstls | i'm using exactly what's shown on https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
| 18:59.33 | cstls | for contrib and non-free |
| 19:00.03 | n4dir | if it is exactly like that then it should be ok. |
| 19:00.24 | cstls | and then i have some extras in sources.list.d for things like chrome, etc |
| 19:00.40 | sney | deb.debian.org uses a cdn so it's possible you're getting some outdated cache or other weird behavior. try with ftp.us.debian.org |
| 19:00.43 | diogenes_ | cstls, did you play around with PPAs maybe? |
| 19:01.20 | cstls | i don't think so, but like an idiot i ran a apt purge without thinking and removed most of gnome |
| 19:01.24 | cstls | so was reinstalling it all |
| 19:01.33 | cstls | and then hitting that 404 when it gets to fwupd package |
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| 19:03.08 | bauen1 | cstls: according to https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/fwupd stable has fwupd 1.2.13-2 |
| 19:03.21 | bauen1 | perhaphs `apt-get update` failed for some reason ? |
| 19:03.31 | cstls | right and mine is trying to get 1.2.5-2 |
| 19:03.44 | cstls | i can't see any failures running update though |
| 19:03.49 | cstls | so hard to track down |
| 19:03.53 | bauen1 | if you're using aptitude also look exactly at what it wants to do |
| 19:04.00 | sney | again, deb.debian.org uses a cdn so it's possible you're getting some outdated cache or other weird behavior. try with ftp.us.debian.org |
| 19:04.00 | jmcnaught | cstls: are you behind a proxy? |
| 19:04.20 | cstls | nope, no proxy |
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| 19:04.28 | cstls | i'll try aptitude |
| 19:04.40 | cstls | thanks sney |
| 19:04.44 | cstls | i'll check that |
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| 19:28.48 | cstls | hey sney, thanks man. renaming deb. to ftp. worked great. cheers. |
| 19:29.08 | sney | cstls: np, your isp may be doing something sneaky. |
| 19:29.18 | cstls | ugh..fun |
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| 21:10.20 | Guest34 | bruh |
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| 21:11.54 | Mrbuck | I installed virtualbox with root, installing with root is advisable? |
| 21:12.31 | Mrbuck | any application installed with root but not a sudo user |
| 21:13.11 | mutante | Mrbuck: installing yes, using no |
| 21:13.28 | Mrbuck | mutante: ah, thank you |
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| 21:23.59 | nvz | using something like sudo, pkexec is the same thing as using root to run a command |
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| 21:27.02 | Mrbuck | nvz: hmm, thank you |
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