| 00:00.00 | dfacto | i'm assuming all dependencies would have to be brought to stable also? |
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| 00:03.13 | Unit193 | I believe the bot has a command for that. |
| 00:03.16 | Unit193 | ,checkbackport nano |
| 00:03.17 | judd | Backporting package nano in sidâbuster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 13). |
| 00:03.29 | Unit193 | â is also in backports, you're good. |
| 00:07.54 | annadane | ,v nano |
| 00:07.55 | judd | Package: nano on amd64 -- jessie: 2.2.6-3; stretch: 2.7.4-1; buster: 3.2-3; bullseye: 4.9.3-1; sid: 4.9.3-1 |
| 00:08.05 | annadane | ,v debhelper-compat |
| 00:08.06 | judd | No package named 'debhelper-compat' was found in amd64. |
| 00:08.47 | annadane | nano is super unnecessary to use new versions of, anyway |
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| 00:12.18 | sney | the package is debhelper, as previously stated |
| 00:13.14 | sney | I can't see a practical difference between nano on my desktop (bullseye) and on my media server (buster) but it's likely to be a minimal enough package that backporting it will be a clean example of how to do that |
| 00:13.31 | dfacto | right, i just picked nano for trying this out |
| 00:13.43 | dfacto | when building dep i get builddeps:nano : Depends: debhelper-compat (= 13) |
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| 00:20.34 | quadrathoch2 | hey at least nano gets in the new version 5.0 a scroll bar xD |
| 00:25.42 | ectospasm | since I operate in tmux almost exclusively I haven't noticed the need for a scroll bar anywhere. |
| 00:26.36 | quadrathoch2 | ectospasm it's mostly there for showing you where you are in the document, I'm not even sure it's an interactive scrollbar |
| 00:27.17 | dfacto | well, download the latest version .deb and installing with dpkg seemed to work fine |
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| 00:29.52 | ectospasm | dfacto: that must mean it doesn't have any runtime dependencies. |
| 00:32.00 | Unit193 | sney: I actually notice a difference and do like the bullseye version better, fwiw. |
| 00:32.25 | ectospasm | quadrathoch2: I prefer my customizable vim status line, myself! |
| 00:33.10 | quadrathoch2 | ectospasm eh I'm thinking about moving to vim from vi, but still not sure :/ |
| 00:33.35 | ectospasm | quadrathoch2: really? Vi IMproved is so much better! |
| 00:33.59 | quadrathoch2 | ectospasm idk, most features I don't really need |
| 00:34.14 | ectospasm | On systems that don't have vim I just do: alias vim=vi |
| 00:34.56 | ectospasm | quadrathoch2: you don't need what you've never used, but I couldn't go back to vi for my daily text editing. |
| 00:35.00 | dfacto | when i first started with debian I used to use pico.. then nano.. and stuck with it since then. trying to use vi makes me feel like i lost control of my hands |
| 00:35.39 | quadrathoch2 | dfacto there is no need to use vi(m). I know a lot of people who stay on nano :) |
| 00:35.50 | ectospasm | I'll admit, I was a forced convert to vi back in 1998... The sysadmin at my internship wouldn't install emacs for me. I've been using vi/vim ever since. |
| 00:35.50 | quadrathoch2 | ectospasm, but then why not neovim ;) |
| 00:36.15 | ectospasm | quadrathoch2: I don't know anything about neovim. If it's like neomutt I probably won't like it. |
| 00:36.18 | dfacto | and i only do basic text editing on console, like editing configs files pretty much... |
| 00:36.36 | dfacto | nano serves me well for that purpose, mostly because the key bindings are engraved in my brain already |
| 00:36.43 | quadrathoch2 | ectospasm https://neovim.io/ |
| 00:38.22 | ectospasm | Hahaha! "A nice looking website, thatâs one thing Neovim did right." âBram Moolenaar |
| 00:38.29 | ectospasm | (that's the guy that invented Vim!) |
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| 00:40.22 | quadrathoch2 | I mean he is right :) |
| 00:40.27 | ectospasm | And besides, I won't be able to install neovim on the on-premises equipment I manage. |
| 00:40.46 | quadrathoch2 | that's a really good reason not to install neovim ^^ |
| 00:40.58 | ectospasm | vim is already there by default, though! |
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| 00:50.37 | ectospasm | I mean, I guess I *could* get RPMs of neovim and install them that way, but that's a lot more work for something I don't really need (these appliances typically don't have Internet access, so we don't update them using the normal network methods). |
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| 00:53.57 | quadrathoch2 | ectospasm yeah, sadly default does have a say in the end :/ |
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| 02:48.52 | tinga | Hi. Does anyone know how to get clang -fsanitize=memory to abort when encountering an uninitialized memory error instead of calling _exit ? |
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| 02:50.42 | tinga | I'm on testing. I found a patch that was *apparently* accepted in 2015 to make that the default on what may only be OS X. I need it on Debian and I don't get why if abort is *possible* it's not done. |
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| 02:51.10 | tinga | (I'm on testing using clang-10) |
| 02:52.16 | sney | the "accepted" varies based on whether you mean upstream, or unstable, or anything else, etc, but anyway: |
| 02:52.18 | sney | !debian-nexty |
| 02:52.21 | sney | !debian-next |
| 02:52.21 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
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| 02:56.42 | tinga | I meant, accepted into the llvm upstream. |
| 02:57.28 | tinga | Why would people write such a brilliant tool and then not allow me to use GDB to inspect the program when an error is detected? I don't get it. |
| 02:58.24 | nvz | this would be something to bring up on the bts, or in an email to the maintainer or somewhere other than here |
| 02:58.57 | nvz | we are all just debian users who volunteer to help people with issues on debian stable, few if any of us her have anything at all to do with the debian project |
| 02:59.19 | tinga | I was (still am) just expecting it to be "oh, just do this or that" kind of answer. I can't be the first one to want that in years? |
| 03:00.01 | tinga | (And I've already asked on #llvm; given that OS X appears to be doing abort, I thought this is Debian specific.) |
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| 03:00.18 | sney | probably not the first, but still far enough off the beaten path that the regulars here don't know the answer. |
| 03:00.19 | tinga | Yes, I'll take it to the bts now. |
| 03:00.40 | nvz | or at least to the network Debian uses, and ask actual debian developers |
| 03:00.46 | nvz | people who use these sorts of things |
| 03:00.59 | tinga | I don't get why using gdb is off the beaten path. It's literally the very *first* bug I'm using -fsanitize=memory on that I *need* gdb. |
| 03:02.07 | nvz | I could tell ya how to run a command from a terminal, to see stdout, how to redirect that to termbin, how to strace, thats basics.. |
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| 03:02.49 | nvz | you're talking development in a users channel |
| 03:03.06 | nvz | !irc |
| 03:03.06 | dpkg | IRC is Internet Relay Chat, the means to provide #debian to its patrons. Debian IRC channels are listed at http://wiki.debian.org/IRC . Please read http://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc . Ask me about <irc tutorial> and <faq>. See also <debstats> and <irclog>. |
| 03:03.12 | nvz | !debian irc |
| 03:03.17 | tinga | Maybe let me check debian-next then. |
| 03:03.24 | nvz | meh |
| 03:03.33 | nvz | oh that was the right factoid :P |
| 03:03.51 | nvz | there are a long list of channels on that wiki entry.. they are all on OFTC |
| 03:04.01 | nvz | many of them have developers in them |
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| 03:33.51 | nvz | so. I use multiheaded machines a lot cause I like to multitask and I have some 10 year old or so windows games I play in wine and with this thing called dxwnd I can often make these games run on one screen and still just move my mouse right out of it and onto the other monitor and still do other stuff. |
| 03:34.15 | nvz | however this doesnt always work.. I was thinkin maybe I could use xephyr for this instead |
| 03:34.48 | nvz | just put like a nested x server on one screen and let it truely think its running fullscreen but be doing the stuff more natively rather than running a directx hooking tool in wine |
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| 03:41.27 | nvz | seems that xephyr was software rendered and someone forked it to provide direct rendering, and idk which debian has, or how these nested servers really work.. just was wonderin what anyones thoughts might be on trying to use them to play ignorant directx windows games in wine on one monitor while still being able to use other monitors |
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| 05:29.19 | Cyanoxygen | Hi, I have a problem with my new Intel AX200 wireless card. I recently replaced an AC9462 with AX200, then boot to Debian, but there's no wireless connection. |
| 05:30.16 | Cyanoxygen | dmesg said "probe failed with error -110", after a web search i still cant figure out why this occurred and how to fix it. |
| 05:30.48 | sney | !iwlwifi |
| 05:30.48 | dpkg | The iwlwifi Linux kernel driver supports several Intel 802.11n (WiFi Link, Wireless-N, Advanced-N, Ultimate-N) and 802.11ac adapters. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. Supported devices and troubleshooting hints are listed at https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi . See also <iwlegacy>, <iwl7000>. |
| 05:32.57 | Cyanoxygen | I have iwlwifi and its firmware installed. Maybe i should try booting to Windows then reboot to Debian |
| 05:33.27 | diogenes_ | Cyanoxygen, pastebin: dmesg | grep -i firmware |
| 05:35.51 | jim | when you run a shell program, to get english messages, do you put LC_ALL=c before the program name? |
| 05:36.17 | themill | C not c |
| 05:36.26 | themill | !localised errors |
| 05:36.26 | dpkg | To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install". |
| 05:36.27 | nvz | LANG=C is typically sufficient isnt it? |
| 05:36.33 | jim | oh thanks |
| 05:38.39 | jim | nvz, probably; I don't know what "ALL" includes |
| 05:39.01 | nvz | pretty sure ALL is literally all the local variables |
| 05:39.27 | nvz | i.e output of 'locale' |
| 05:39.40 | nvz | all those are superceded by LC_ALL afaik |
| 05:39.49 | jim | and that's how I find a list? |
| 05:40.02 | jim | I see |
| 05:40.09 | nvz | I've always just use LANG=C personally but I dont really do it often |
| 05:43.25 | nvz | "LC_ALL is an environment variable that overrides all of these. It is typically used in scripts that run particular programs." from gnu.org |
| 05:44.47 | themill | you often want to override date and number formats as well as the text |
| 05:44.48 | nvz | https://www.gnu.org/software/gettext/manual/html_node/The-LANGUAGE-variable.html#The-LANGUAGE-variable |
| 05:44.56 | nvz | thats an intereting read on this subject |
| 05:45.04 | nvz | it talks about particular caveats |
| 05:45.19 | themill | also locale(7) |
| 05:46.42 | jim | ok, thanks again, I'll bookmark that |
| 05:47.20 | themill | !man 7 locale |
| 05:47.20 | dpkg | man 7 locale is probably at http://manpages.debian.org/7/locale , where you can view many Debian man pages. Ask me about <docs> <dmp> <grounding> <search>. |
| 05:48.59 | nvz | themill: I must've missed you doing that.. I didnt know that factoid existed |
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| 06:08.23 | mnathani | which Graphical desktop would provide the best performance? |
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| 06:10.33 | themill | There's no way of answering that without a requirements list. |
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| 06:15.37 | nvz | mnathani: you can see my page http://iamcowhearme.mooo.com/buster/ for a list of the various installs (DEs) and screenshots, HDD/RAM use, package lists |
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| 06:17.20 | themill | !ifrp |
| 06:17.20 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 06:17.23 | themill | CarlFK: ^^ |
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| 06:22.06 | Cyanoxygen | diogenes_, https://img.vim-cn.com/2b/b03b2d350a6b144ae81b7cacefea164d6c9bf9.jpg |
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| 06:23.26 | Cyanoxygen | I do not have a Ethernet connection so i could only take photos, sorry |
| 06:23.34 | nickotheus | My raspberry pi dirty: https://i.imgur.com/B4iTvif.png |
| 06:23.50 | CarlFK | themill: thanks |
| 06:24.10 | Cyanoxygen | Kernel version is 5.7 BTW |
| 06:24.10 | mnathani | where can I get tty-tetris? |
| 06:25.52 | diogenes_ | Cyanoxygen, cat /etc/os-release | grep -i pretty |
| 06:26.12 | nickotheus | mnathani, https://github.com/Holixus/tty-tetris-v2 |
| 06:26.39 | nickotheus | Cyanoxygen, I don't think I can get 5.7 for my ARM device yet |
| 06:27.15 | Cyanoxygen | diogenes_ , Debian GNU/Linux bullseye/sid |
| 06:27.34 | CarlFK | themill: shouldn't 5) rw come before 4) set pw? |
| 06:27.59 | themill | CarlFK: 5 is not rw, it's ro |
| 06:28.40 | diogenes_ | !tell Cyanoxygen about debian-next |
| 06:28.57 | CarlFK | oh.. whoops, right. |
| 06:29.08 | Cyanoxygen | Oh thank you |
| 06:29.12 | themill | Cyanoxygen: what's the relevant line from "lspci -nn" for that device? |
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| 06:30.52 | Cyanoxygen | nickotheus: yeah this is a x86-64 laptop |
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| 06:31.39 | Cyanoxygen | themill: now I do not think i should ask questions here while using sid branch XD |
| 06:31.47 | themill | meh |
| 06:31.49 | nickotheus | Cyanoxygen, honestly it's kinda special to be on 5 anything with buster |
| 06:32.08 | flayer | i |
| 06:33.08 | Cyanoxygen | nickotheus: I usually use latest kernel as I can, for stable I use backports to install 5.x kernel |
| 06:34.05 | ectospasm | Cueball: I do that, too. |
| 06:34.13 | ectospasm | At least on my Debian buster router. |
| 06:34.36 | Cyanoxygen | Thank you guys, now my wireless connection is back, but only after rebooting from Windows akes sense |
| 06:36.16 | Cyanoxygen | It is strange that my WiFi card only works after a reboot from Windows, and formally with AC9462, the wifi works with fresh boot but Bluetooth requires a reboot from Windows to work |
| 06:36.35 | themill | probably something that rfkill can toggle for you |
| 06:37.04 | themill | (or it might be that it's loaded firmware that persists across warm boots) |
| 06:38.43 | Cyanoxygen | Yeah I think so |
| 06:39.16 | Cyanoxygen | The firmware persists across warm boots |
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| 07:07.41 | jerlique | Hey all, hoping somene can point me in the right direction. last night my freenas rebooted and a debian 8 host I have running has seemily corrupted itself. If I boot, the console shows bios, and then goes to a blank screen, with a cursor. if I type the cursor moves. enter puts it bak to the start of the line. SO I closed the disk and attached it to another vm and the files are there. I tried to reinstall grub from a debian 10 DVD, but |
| 07:07.41 | jerlique | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:09.42 | ectospasm | jerlique: are you trying to install grub to a partition? /dev/xvda1 is a partition. Maybe you want /dev/xvda instead? |
| 07:10.02 | ectospasm | It sounds like grub got corrupted on that Debian 8 host of yours. |
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| 07:14.15 | ratrace | Long live systemd. Created a bridge, and a tap, and some pci passthrough hardware rewiring using services, netdevs and networkd, in 5 minutes. After few days of trying to figure out which guide on configuring tap devices via interfaces(5) from 2006 is still valid. |
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| 07:18.25 | CyberManifest | sney: I'm trying to setup wifi again... but I'm following that guide and @ allow-hotplug wlp2s0 I'm getting an error allow-hotplug: command not found |
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| 07:19.37 | CyberManifest | oh lol, I feel foolish, I'm supposed to put it in a file not as a command at terminal |
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| 07:23.47 | CyberManifest | sney: I'm getting wpa_supplicant: /sbin/wpa_supplicant daemon failed to start |
| 07:24.24 | CyberManifest | run-parts: /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/wpasupplicant exited with return code 1 |
| 07:24.35 | CyberManifest | ifup: failed to bring up wlan0 |
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| 08:49.30 | f-a | Hello. I lately found myself in a no-net time and using wget to batch download pages when I had some access |
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| 08:50.17 | f-a | I would have loved to have a command line application which searches $search_engine, selects first result and downloads it locally |
| 08:50.47 | f-a | I was starting to script it but then I realised someone might have done the job already, so I am here asking: is there anything similar? |
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| 09:03.55 | tinga | sney, nvz : FWIW, "export MSAN_OPTIONS=abort_on_error=1" (which is *undocumented* in the upstream docs and only ever mentioned accidentally in any page on Google) solves it (thanks to #debian-devel) |
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| 09:50.47 | f8e4 | suddenly my xfce is not avail on tt7 |
| 09:50.56 | f8e4 | what is wrong? |
| 09:51.15 | nkuttler | f8e4: what do you mean |
| 09:51.30 | f8e4 | tty7 no such, nada only 1-6 |
| 09:52.19 | nkuttler | do you have a blank tty? |
| 09:52.24 | f8e4 | tty1-6 only |
| 09:52.29 | f8e4 | how 7 for gui |
| 09:53.48 | nkuttler | f8e4: do you use a display manager? |
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| 09:54.12 | f8e4 | Everything defualt, just installe dyesterdya |
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| 09:54.35 | nkuttler | f8e4: please answer the question |
| 09:54.53 | f8e4 | yes |
| 09:54.57 | nkuttler | which one? |
| 09:55.01 | f8e4 | dm |
| 09:55.07 | nkuttler | which one? |
| 09:55.15 | f8e4 | no idea sry |
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| 09:55.41 | nkuttler | f8e4: what's in /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
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| 09:57.07 | f8e4 | lightdm |
| 09:57.38 | f8e4 | nor: exec startxfce4 |
| 09:57.43 | nkuttler | f8e4: try systemctl restart lightdm |
| 09:57.46 | f8e4 | yesterday all fine, now garbarge :(:(:( |
| 09:58.52 | f8e4 | system not been botted with sysd as init |
| 09:59.16 | nkuttler | ok... |
| 09:59.24 | nkuttler | what was it booted with? |
| 09:59.36 | f8e4 | i have no idea, i downloaded livecd amd64 and instlaled, now this wtf |
| 09:59.52 | nkuttler | how do you figure it was not booted using systemd? |
| 09:59.52 | f8e4 | yesterday all fine |
| 10:00.12 | f8e4 | your command: then show this error |
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| 10:01.27 | nkuttler | f8e4: what did you do since yesterday? |
| 10:01.38 | nkuttler | did you remove systemd or what? |
| 10:07.30 | f8e4 | abort reinstall |
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| 10:32.54 | NetTerminalGene | boothole grub2 update has bug that computer isn't boot if you boot in bios (not uefi). anyone has this issue? i use bios. can it hit me randomly? |
| 10:33.10 | NetTerminalGene | i made the upgrade |
| 10:33.17 | NetTerminalGene | i scare |
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| 11:24.29 | Regor | NetTerminalGene: no problem after upgraded grub .... working fine in bios.. ðï¸ . |
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| 11:39.36 | f8e4 | i am in a root shell in recovery: ping goolge.com: namer or service not known. how to get the intel-microcode pkg installed? |
| 11:39.57 | f8e4 | could not resolve deb.debian.org |
| 11:41.56 | diogenes_ | f8e4, cat /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 11:47.58 | f8e4 | diogenes_ my router is listed cool |
| 11:48.04 | f8e4 | how to get the mentioned packege? |
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| 11:49.43 | diogenes_ | f8e4, i mean do you see any nameserves in cat /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 11:50.15 | f8e4 | diogenes_ yes my router |
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| 11:51.16 | f8e4 | how to get internter, jus tthick pkg, no else, just internet |
| 11:52.45 | diogenes_ | if you can't: ping google.com there is no internet. |
| 11:52.57 | f8e4 | all other machines fine, cable fine, |
| 11:54.38 | diogenes_ | f8e4, nmcli d |
| 11:55.03 | diogenes_ | see if it says connected. |
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| 11:57.33 | f8e4 | ok lets reinstall again |
| 12:00.30 | oxek | f8e4: don't take this the wrong way, but you're not helping us help you |
| 12:00.56 | oxek | you need to provide us with logs, outputs of commands, and tell us what you tried so far, and what you're actually trying to achieve |
| 12:01.41 | oxek | if I interpret it correctly, you're in a rescue environment, so you'll need to chroot into the actual debian installation |
| 12:01.49 | oxek | if you're using the debian rescue cd, it makes that easy |
| 12:02.25 | oxek | once you're in there, you need to get internet working, and then a simple apt install will give you intel microcode |
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| 12:27.31 | koldf | could someone provide help with this error |
| 12:27.33 | koldf | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:28.13 | RoyK | koldf: full /boot? |
| 12:28.18 | RoyK | as in the filesystem |
| 12:28.30 | koldf | care to elaborate |
| 12:30.38 | koldf | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
| 12:30.41 | koldf | this is also the part of the erorr |
| 12:30.47 | koldf | error* |
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| 12:32.19 | RoyK | koldf: pastebin output of df -h, please |
| 12:32.23 | RoyK | !pastebin |
| 12:32.23 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 12:32.48 | koldf | https://pastebin.com/D050thvQ |
| 12:33.43 | RoyK | no - looks ok - but please don't use fscking pastebin.com - better use paste.debian.net or something not as spammy |
| 12:33.50 | koldf | alright |
| 12:33.53 | koldf | well do you have an idea |
| 12:33.57 | koldf | what could be wrong |
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| 12:34.12 | RoyK | what was the full error message from apt/dpkg? |
| 12:34.12 | koldf | I've been on the os for so long, reinstall will be a nightmare |
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| 12:34.34 | spammy | RoyK: I agree :P |
| 12:34.44 | koldf | dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: |
| 12:34.45 | dpkg | i don't know, koldf |
| 12:34.46 | koldf | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:34.48 | koldf | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
| 12:34.51 | quadrathoch2 | btw, as this sounds alot like ubuntu, are we sure it's debian oO ^^ |
| 12:35.16 | koldf | it is lubuntu iirc |
| 12:35.31 | RoyK | then wrong channel |
| 12:35.42 | quadrathoch2 | you would need to switch to #ubuntu koldf |
| 12:35.47 | koldf | alright thanks guys |
| 12:35.51 | koldf | gonna ask there |
| 12:36.34 | Vonor | hey, any kvm/libvirt/qemu gurus here? I am trying to pass through a pci device. i set it up with vfio. added the pci device to the vm and the vm is able to boot. but the guest does not see the device. |
| 12:37.38 | RoyK | there's this saying in Norwegian, "Som man roper i skogen, får man svar", which translates to something like "As you shout in the forest, answers are given". IMHO that's analogous to asking on #ubuntu ;) |
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| 12:38.37 | RoyK | Vonor: nothing in lspci either? |
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| 12:39.38 | Vonor | RoyK, guest is MicrosoftOS so no lspci. but let me try to boot a linux live system. |
| 12:40.24 | quadrathoch2 | Vonor are you sure the linux side is okay? |
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| 12:41.39 | Vonor | quadrathoch2, no not really. that's why i am looking for help :) this is my first attempt at passing through pci to a guest. i basically worked with this howto: https://mathiashueber.com/windows-virtual-machine-gpu-passthrough-ubuntu/ |
| 12:42.17 | RoyK | shouldn't be any difference between the client OS there, really |
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| 12:44.19 | quadrathoch2 | Vonor I only ever tried it once, but make sure the vfio driver is used for the gpu (can't remember the command) |
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| 12:44.59 | Vonor | lspci -nnv |
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| 12:46.35 | Vonor | lspci -nnv shows for the nvidia card i want to pass through: Kernel driver in use: vfio-pci / Kernel modules: nouveau, nvidia_current_drm, nvidia_current |
| 12:47.31 | quadrathoch2 | sounds good |
| 12:47.43 | Vonor | for g in /sys/kernel/iommu_groups/*; do echo "IOMMU Group ${g##*/}:"; for d in $g/devices/*; do echo -e "\t$(lspci -nns ${d##*/})"; done; done shows the PCI Bridge, the gpu and the hdmi sound from the gpu in one group. |
| 12:49.29 | RoyK | possibly windows driver issues somewhere, then? dunno if this is virtio or physvirt |
| 12:50.24 | Vonor | argh, idiot me...i passed through the sound card only..... |
| 12:51.10 | brokencycle | Hi! I recently bought a mouse for my laptop, and I am having some trouble I could not yet resolve. Intermittently, I am having problems with left-clicking. I swapped the mouse, but the problem persists. |
| 12:51.24 | brokencycle | I'm running a fairly up-to-date Buster. |
| 12:51.43 | RoyK | brokencycle: always start by s/fairly/really/ ;) |
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| 12:57.51 | quadrathoch2 | and maybe add what kind of mouse you got yourself |
| 12:59.48 | brokencycle | @RoyK: I update every few days. |
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| 13:01.23 | brokencycle | I'm updating right now, and I am quite unhappy that my unattended-upgrades don't seem to work. |
| 13:02.28 | quadrathoch2 | brokencycle care to post the conf file? |
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| 13:02.55 | oxek | brokencycle: updating right now might not be wise - 10.5 was *just* released, not even public on the homepage. |
| 13:03.04 | brokencycle | You mean, for unattended-upgrades? |
| 13:03.19 | oxek | unattended-upgrades don't run immediatelly afaik |
| 13:03.30 | brokencycle | yes, it's a cron job |
| 13:03.42 | RoyK | just update first |
| 13:03.53 | RoyK | but I just wonder - are you low on RAM? |
| 13:04.10 | brokencycle | Of course. No, I'm not low on RAM. |
| 13:04.24 | RoyK | 'free' tells you that? |
| 13:04.49 | quadrathoch2 | brokencycle yeah I meant unattended upgrades config file :) |
| 13:04.59 | brokencycle | If I upgrade manually, I usually do "apt update; apt -d -y dist-upgrade" and then take it from there. |
| 13:05.36 | brokencycle | $ free |
| 13:05.37 | brokencycle | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:05.39 | brokencycle | Mem: 32467720 13798660 8788544 1568276 9880516 16629100 |
| 13:05.42 | brokencycle | Swap: 31248380 3038208 28210172 |
| 13:05.44 | brokencycle | y |
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| 13:05.44 | RoyK | brokencycle: I usually replace ; with && so that if the update fails, it doesn't run dist-upgrade, but hell - that's a minor |
| 13:05.47 | quadrathoch2 | !paste |
| 13:05.48 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 13:06.04 | quadrathoch2 | argh :/ |
| 13:06.06 | RoyK | dpkg: tell brokencycle about paste |
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| 13:06.19 | quadrathoch2 | !paste |
| 13:06.20 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 13:06.38 | RoyK | quadrathoch2: you just wrote that ;) |
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| 13:06.54 | quadrathoch2 | RoyK brokencycle was kicked |
| 13:07.00 | quadrathoch2 | so he wasn't in the chatroom |
| 13:07.20 | RoyK | quadrathoch2: I know, but if I tell dpkg to tell him about it, dpkg will msg him |
| 13:07.50 | quadrathoch2 | RoyK ahh okay, I didn't know that, learned something :) |
| 13:08.26 | ndegruchy | Hmm, my upgrade just failed with "no space left on device", which is absurd, because I have more than 80% free on / |
| 13:08.47 | quadrathoch2 | ndegruchy can you paste.debian.net your df -h |
| 13:08.56 | ndegruchy | yeah, one sec |
| 13:08.57 | RoyK | ndegruchy: add df -i too |
| 13:09.46 | ndegruchy | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/e41e8521/ |
| 13:09.48 | brokencycle | The unattended-upgrades config file is here, but without all the comments: https://hastebin.com/ubukawoyew.bash |
| 13:10.17 | RoyK | ndegruchy: what about /boot or something? |
| 13:10.53 | brokencycle | That was an accident - RoyK asked for the output of 'free', and I pasted it. |
| 13:10.57 | quadrathoch2 | brokencycle there should be more oO |
| 13:11.22 | ndegruchy | http://paste.debian.net/1158567/ |
| 13:11.29 | brokencycle | quadrathoch2: You mean, unattended upgrades should have more stuff? |
| 13:11.50 | RoyK | ndegruchy: boot is rather full |
| 13:11.53 | RoyK | and very small |
| 13:12.01 | ndegruchy | That is what the installer generated |
| 13:12.16 | quadrathoch2 | brokencycle what does /var/log/unattended-upgrades/unattended-upgrades.log say? |
| 13:12.25 | RoyK | ndegruchy: still very small, regardless of whose fault it is |
| 13:12.36 | RoyK | ndegruchy: do you have many kernels installed there? |
| 13:13.20 | ndegruchy | Hang on, only what apt installs. I'm autoremoving the old one, though |
| 13:13.50 | RoyK | ndegruchy: ls -l /boot/vmlinuz* |
| 13:13.53 | RoyK | pastebin that |
| 13:14.03 | brokencycle | This file is empty. |
| 13:14.20 | quadrathoch2 | hm |
| 13:14.41 | ndegruchy | I think the autoremove might have fixed it |
| 13:14.48 | ndegruchy | I see: |
| 13:14.49 | ndegruchy | ~/Downloads/thunderbird |
| 13:14.49 | ndegruchy | ⯠sudo ls -l /boot/vmlinu* |
| 13:14.49 | ndegruchy | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5274864 Jul 24 14:46 /boot/vmlinuz-4.19.0-10-amd64 |
| 13:14.49 | ndegruchy | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5274864 Jun 7 11:42 /boot/vmlinuz-4.19.0-9-amd64 |
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| 13:15.11 | ndegruchy | ha! oops |
| 13:15.16 | RoyK | dpkg: tell ndegruchy about paste |
| 13:15.26 | ndegruchy | yeah yeah. my bad |
| 13:16.02 | ndegruchy | I'm going to reboot to make sure everything is okay |
| 13:16.23 | brokencycle | This is the full file: http://paste.debian.net/1158568/ |
| 13:17.29 | quadrathoch2 | brokencycle what does /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20auto-upgrades say? |
| 13:18.18 | brokencycle | APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists "1"; |
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| 13:18.26 | brokencycle | APT::Periodic::Unattended-Upgrade "1"; |
| 13:18.31 | brokencycle | that's it. |
| 13:18.35 | quadrathoch2 | k |
| 13:19.23 | quadrathoch2 | brokencycle what does systemctl status apt-daily.timer say? |
| 13:19.35 | quadrathoch2 | (as long as it's running active, it's okay) |
| 13:20.25 | quadrathoch2 | btw did you look into the log file with sudo or not? as you would need sudo |
| 13:20.39 | brokencycle | https://hastebin.com/uqunamerez.rb |
| 13:20.51 | quadrathoch2 | sounds good |
| 13:21.07 | quadrathoch2 | so now we need to figure out why there is no log file, or empty one |
| 13:21.28 | brokencycle | $ ls -l /var/log/unattended-upgrades/unattended-upgrades.log |
| 13:21.31 | brokencycle | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Aug 1 00:00 /var/log/unattended-upgrades/unattended-upgrades.log |
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| 13:22.21 | brokencycle | I should probably install apticron. |
| 13:22.43 | quadrathoch2 | brokencycle what does unattended-upgrade -d say? |
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| 13:26.40 | brokencycle | quadrathoch2: it says tons of stuff like "ignoring ... with priority < 0", but now it is upgrading my system. :/ |
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| 13:27.43 | quadrathoch2 | huh? i thought you were uptodate :/ |
| 13:28.09 | quadrathoch2 | as long as it runs through nothing should happen |
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| 13:29.04 | brokencycle | I did a donwload of all the things, but when i noticed that it would seriously change the system, I didn't follow through until I have more time to look at the details. |
| 13:29.20 | brokencycle | But now, unattended-upgrade is doing it, regardless. |
| 13:29.23 | quadrathoch2 | yeah makes sense |
| 13:29.26 | quadrathoch2 | oO |
| 13:29.30 | quadrathoch2 | that shouldn't happen |
| 13:29.37 | quadrathoch2 | if you cancled it |
| 13:30.11 | brokencycle | It didn't ask any questions, but just started to do things. |
| 13:30.33 | brokencycle | well... it's "unattended", after all. |
| 13:30.48 | brokencycle | (note to self: read the manpage before running commands from the Internet) |
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| 13:32.13 | brokencycle | I actually expected it to just give me some status info. |
| 13:32.30 | brokencycle | Anyway... can someone please shed some light on the mouse problem? It's really freaking me out. |
| 13:32.41 | quadrathoch2 | sorry, as I thought you were completly updated, it should only give you informations :/ |
| 13:33.10 | quadrathoch2 | you still didn't mention which mouse you got |
| 13:33.23 | brokencycle | No worries- if it brings in 10.5, I would have done that shortly, anyway. |
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| 13:34.38 | brokencycle | Oh. I have two mice. One is a cheap Dell (but it doesn't indicate the model number, or I can't find it), and the other is a Logitech G502 Hero. I bought it because I expeceted it to be more rugged than a normal "office" mouse. |
| 13:35.23 | brokencycle | The Logitech is new, but both have the same problem: I can click for a while, but after a while, left click stops working. Then I need to use the touchpad |
| 13:35.31 | ndegruchy | Well, other than thunderbird forgetting my settings, everything is good. That's probably just a local configuration. The kernel removal freed up the space on boot for my upgrade. |
| 13:35.59 | brokencycle | and/or do some other stuff, like switching consoles, or unplugging it and plugging it back in, then I can left-click again. |
| 13:36.07 | brokencycle | right click works all the time. |
| 13:36.40 | RoyK | ndegruchy: just remove the old kernel to free up some space or perhaps ditch the whole /boot partition - it's not needed anymore anyway |
| 13:36.41 | brokencycle | If left click would work reliably, I could turn the touchpad off, but this way, I can't. |
| 13:37.00 | brokencycle | This is causing me a lot of problems with my hanging thumbs. |
| 13:37.02 | RoyK | ndegruchy: that is - you need the directory, but it can reside on root |
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| 13:37.23 | RoyK | less hassle next time that way |
| 13:37.26 | quadrathoch2 | brokencycle that sounds like a software issue :/ because if even the dell mouse doesn't work after a while. but that's over my head that issue :/ |
| 13:37.58 | quadrathoch2 | the only thing I know is that the library is libinput :/ |
| 13:38.18 | brokencycle | Yeah. I searched on the Internet before I came here, and this problem has been afflicting several users for about a decade, with no clear solution in sight. =8-| |
| 13:39.27 | brokencycle | I haven't had such a problem on a desktop computer, but I have it on laptop computers. |
| 13:39.50 | brokencycle | OTOH, I haven't had a desktop computer for a while. |
| 13:40.20 | brokencycle | I wonder whether it might be a combination of hardware and software, though. |
| 13:40.33 | brokencycle | Any ideas on where, or how, to start debugging? |
| 13:41.16 | quadrathoch2 | hm if it's for about a decade, that sounds more like a kernel issue then maybe |
| 13:41.16 | brokencycle | Oh.... I noticed that unattended-upgrade does not seem to upgrade third-party packages. |
| 13:41.19 | brokencycle | Just saying. |
| 13:41.27 | quadrathoch2 | brokencycle yeah you didn't activate that ;) |
| 13:41.57 | brokencycle | The kernel has changed somewhat in the last decade... |
| 13:42.05 | brokencycle | Interesting! |
| 13:42.54 | quadrathoch2 | brokencycle yeah, but also the input library (as it was totally switched out) |
| 13:43.03 | quadrathoch2 | rewritten |
| 13:43.08 | brokencycle | ok... |
| 13:43.20 | brokencycle | any suggestions as to whom to talk to, maybe? |
| 13:44.02 | quadrathoch2 | brokencycle maybe talk over at ##linux |
| 13:44.09 | quadrathoch2 | but not sure |
| 13:44.13 | brokencycle | ok... |
| 13:44.22 | quadrathoch2 | as I guess that it's a linux issue not debian or? |
| 13:45.11 | brokencycle | I personally only use Debian, but I dimly remember that other people on the Internet were sometimes using other stuff, like Ubuntu. |
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| 13:45.38 | brokencycle | I didn't look too much into reports that did not mention either Debian or Ubuntu, though. |
| 13:45.57 | brokencycle | I didn't conduct a survey. |
| 13:46.29 | quadrathoch2 | yeah I guess, but as ubuntu pulls in a lot from debian, it could still be an only debian issue :/ |
| 13:46.35 | quadrathoch2 | probably not. but who knows |
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| 13:49.40 | brokencycle | ok.. thank you, anyway! |
| 13:49.47 | brokencycle | I'll see what I can do. |
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| 14:17.50 | Vonor | erm. still fighting with the pci passthrough. host uefi is set up to use the internal gpu, but the linux kernel switches to the nvidia gpu after "loading ramdisk...... trying to terminate efi services again". |
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| 14:19.34 | shibboleth | using vfio? you did blacklist and stub? |
| 14:22.28 | Vonor | shibboleth, yes, blacklisted nouveau and nvidia* and updated initramfs. still the host os switches to the nvidia card after the kernel/initramfs loaded |
| 14:22.47 | shibboleth | eh, no |
| 14:23.05 | shibboleth | paste.debian.net lspci -vn |
| 14:23.58 | Vonor | http://paste.debian.net/1158580/ |
| 14:24.06 | shibboleth | also, i'm assuming that you intend on using the igpu for the host? |
| 14:24.47 | shibboleth | what are you kernel bootflags? |
| 14:25.16 | Vonor | the integrated gpu is only used for shell access, which is almost never needed. but yes, the igpu should be used for the host, the nvidia should be purely available to the guest |
| 14:26.15 | shibboleth | 03:00.0 0300: 1a03:2000 (rev 30) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) |
| 14:26.49 | shibboleth | is there an igpu in that list? |
| 14:26.53 | Vonor | iommu_intel=on is available in /proc/cmdline |
| 14:27.29 | shibboleth | seems to me it may be disabled in bios? |
| 14:27.41 | Vonor | http://paste.debian.net/1158581/ <-- 03:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ASPEED Technology, Inc. ASPEED Graphics Family [1a03:2000] (rev 30) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) |
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| 14:28.09 | shibboleth | so, a separate, dedicated gpu |
| 14:28.11 | shibboleth | not an igpu? |
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| 14:28.36 | shibboleth | in any case: |
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| 14:28.52 | Vonor | it's onboard, the xeon doesn't have an intel gpu included. but it's fixed on the board, not an additional card |
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| 14:29.57 | shibboleth | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:30.05 | shibboleth | update-initramfs, reboot |
| 14:30.49 | shibboleth | also, look through your bios settings, there may be a way to select the boot/primary output |
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| 14:31.32 | shibboleth | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 14:32.00 | shibboleth | rather, i only need the model |
| 14:32.10 | Vonor | the boot gpu is the internal one. like i said, it switches _after_ the kernel is loaded |
| 14:32.27 | Vonor | xeon E3-1230 |
| 14:32.28 | shibboleth | k |
| 14:32.30 | Vonor | v3 |
| 14:32.38 | shibboleth | try stubbing the device ids |
| 14:32.54 | shibboleth | yes, that one lacks an igpu as opposed to the 1235 iirc |
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| 14:34.15 | shibboleth | since vfio-pci is a module as opposed to pci-stub this may affect eraly loading |
| 14:34.19 | shibboleth | early |
| 14:35.01 | Vonor | oh, i see grub on both displays. the internal one and the nvidia one. |
| 14:35.12 | Vonor | going to check bios again |
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| 14:37.01 | Vonor | vga priority is set to onboard |
| 14:37.10 | shibboleth | well, it isn't onboard :) |
| 14:37.22 | shibboleth | rather, doesn't look like it |
| 14:37.52 | shibboleth | no, you already said it is onboard |
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| 14:38.12 | shibboleth | in any case, do the pci-stub and disconnect the monitor from the nvidia for now |
| 14:38.14 | Vonor | well, onboard yes, just not integrated in the cpu. i guess what supermicro is refering to with onboard |
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| 14:42.38 | Vonor | and all this trouble only cuz i need an android emulator with arm support. everything i tried on linux is hella slow, including android x86 in a vm. the only thing that works rather smoothly is bluestacks on windows. and to enhance the performance i want to add the gpu. |
| 14:42.41 | shibboleth | "well... we're waiting...." |
| 14:43.31 | Vonor | well, console output is on the onboard gpu again after i rebooted with unplugged monitor on the nvidia card |
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| 14:43.52 | shibboleth | and you did pci-stub the device ids, update-initramfs and reboot? |
| 14:44.21 | Vonor | yes |
| 14:44.29 | shibboleth | paste lspci -vn |
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| 14:46.04 | Vonor | gimme a sec. the box froze |
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| 14:46.38 | shibboleth | lemme guess: you started the vm? |
| 14:46.52 | Vonor | yes |
| 14:47.00 | shibboleth | yeah, we're not quite there yet |
| 14:48.04 | shibboleth | i remember accomplishing this by means of brute-force trial and error back when vfio-pci was bleeding edge |
| 14:50.06 | Vonor | http://paste.debian.net/1158583/ |
| 14:50.24 | shibboleth | ehm |
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| 14:50.49 | shibboleth | why is vfio-pci loaded for the card, not pci-stub? |
| 14:50.55 | shibboleth | you have a sep module rule? |
| 14:51.27 | Vonor | for vfio-pci? yes. i set it up initially with this guide: https://mathiashueber.com/windows-virtual-machine-gpu-passthrough-ubuntu/ |
| 14:52.14 | shibboleth | yeah, remove vfio_pci ids=10de:1b83,10de:10f0 |
| 14:53.07 | shibboleth | update-initramfs, reboot, paste lspci -vn |
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| 14:53.45 | shibboleth | ofc, blacklist nvidia/nouveau in modprobe.d/blacklist.conf if not already done |
| 14:54.17 | shibboleth | also, comment anything in /etc/modprobe.d/vfio.conf |
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| 14:57.45 | Vonor | it's still vfio-pci. let me grep where it is coming from now |
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| 15:01.10 | Vonor | ok, to make it clear. i blacklisted nouveau, nvidia*, commented out anything vfio-pci related. anything else before i update-initramfs and reboot? |
| 15:01.47 | shibboleth | well, paste /etc/default/grub |
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| 15:02.16 | shibboleth | also, /etc/modules has pci_stub ids=10de:1d01,10de:0fb8 without quotes? |
| 15:02.46 | Vonor | yes |
| 15:03.24 | shibboleth | well, the card isn't bound to vfio-pci by default |
| 15:03.43 | shibboleth | so you either do this by means of cmdline or module rules |
| 15:04.15 | shibboleth | maybe in rc.local? |
| 15:05.55 | shibboleth | backtrace your steps, make sure nothing binds it to vfio-pci, update initramfs and reboot |
| 15:06.08 | shibboleth | i've gotta leave in about 15 minutes, so hurry |
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| 15:10.30 | Vonor | ffs, now "Kernel driver in use: nvidia" |
| 15:10.56 | shibboleth | ehm. |
| 15:10.59 | shibboleth | ok, try this, then: |
| 15:11.45 | shibboleth | nano /etc/default/grub |
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| 15:12.08 | shibboleth | place ...pci-stub.ids=10de:1b83,10de:10f0 on kernel cmdline |
| 15:12.14 | shibboleth | update-grub2, reboot |
| 15:12.48 | shibboleth | but you must add blacklist nvidia, blacklist nouveau on sep lines in blacklist.conf and update initramfs |
| 15:13.17 | shibboleth | also, add rdblacklist=nouveau to the kernel cmdline |
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| 15:14.30 | shibboleth | and you really shouldn't have nvidia installed on the host |
| 15:14.36 | shibboleth | uninstall it and hurry |
| 15:14.51 | Vonor | for whatever reason truenas scale installs it by default |
| 15:15.24 | shibboleth | ok, then blacklist it as both a module and kenrel cmdline |
| 15:15.39 | shibboleth | rdblacklist=nvidia |
| 15:15.54 | shibboleth | but here be dragons, nvidia may be doing something shady |
| 15:16.09 | shibboleth | six minutes |
| 15:16.11 | quadrathoch2 | Vonor hold on, I guess where maybe the issue is |
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| 15:16.25 | quadrathoch2 | you are using a alpha release of a non debian release :/ |
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| 15:16.47 | shibboleth | quadrathoch2, post hoc, ergo propter hoc |
| 15:16.48 | quadrathoch2 | even apt upgrade can break truenas |
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| 15:17.14 | Vonor | quadrathoch2, i am aware of that. even the gui update breaks the system. |
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| 15:17.54 | Vonor | update the system all vms are gone. you have to boot back into the previous version :-/ |
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| 15:18.19 | LCRERGO | Hi, when I'm in a control file and it says: ${misc: Depends}, from where does it get the value? |
| 15:18.23 | shibboleth | yada, yada, blacklist, update cmdline udate initramfs/grub and reboot |
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| 15:18.49 | Vonor | i'm rebooting as fast as possible :) |
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| 15:19.01 | shibboleth | must reboot faster, must reboot faster |
| 15:19.10 | shibboleth | id4-reference |
| 15:19.45 | Vonor | if you have to run, we can continue another time. i appreciate the help so far :) |
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| 15:20.29 | shibboleth | i have a few minutes, just reboot and regret having a server mobo which takes forever to boot |
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| 15:21.02 | Vonor | haha. truenas actually needs longer than the mobo. but yah i wanted ecc ram for the zfs pool |
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| 15:22.08 | Vonor | ok, i give up for now. lets continue this later. i blacklisted nvidia both in cmdline as well as in modules configs and it still uses nvidia driver. |
| 15:22.23 | shibboleth | well |
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| 15:22.59 | RoyK | Vonor: did you run update-initramfs -a ? |
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| 15:23.06 | Vonor | i might as well do a backup of the vms and re-install the system. |
| 15:23.08 | shibboleth | also: ^ |
| 15:23.12 | Vonor | RoyK, -u actually |
| 15:23.31 | shibboleth | update-initramfs -k -a all |
| 15:23.37 | shibboleth | update-initramfs -k -a |
| 15:23.39 | shibboleth | even |
| 15:23.59 | shibboleth | look out the output of dmesg |
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| 15:24.09 | shibboleth | should provide some hints |
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| 15:24.41 | Vonor | -a is not a valid option. you mean -k all? |
| 15:28.01 | Vonor | quadrathoch2, btw, i have no important stuff on that system, yet. just toying around with it. the only important thing are the VM XMLs as the windows versions are activated. but i back them up regularly. so no issue if that system breaks completely |
| 15:28.58 | quadrathoch2 | Vonor i get you, but still the wrong channel to discuss truenas scale issues ;) |
| 15:29.35 | RoyK | Vonor: sorry - I don't use that too often ;) |
| 15:30.08 | Vonor | quadrathoch2, well, the truenas channel is dead. scale is based on debian and except for something specific to truenas keep loading the nvidia modules everything else is general stuff :) |
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| 15:31.01 | quadrathoch2 | Vonor yeah but as we don't know what iXsystems is changing on the system, we can't really support it. for example who would have known that nvidia is automatically loaded :/ |
| 15:31.25 | RoyK | Vonor: what's truenas anyway? |
| 15:31.34 | Vonor | yah i see your point. |
| 15:31.52 | quadrathoch2 | RoyK a great NAS OS, |
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| 15:32.12 | quadrathoch2 | based on bsd, but they are building a flavor with debian as the underlying OS |
| 15:32.31 | Vonor | RoyK, truenas scale is a nas system based on debian that uses zfs. it's still in alpha. the original truenas (and freenas) are based on freebsd. |
| 15:32.54 | RoyK | so a freenas fork? |
| 15:33.18 | Vonor | i especially decided to play with scale since it is linux based and supports kvm and docker, rather than bhyve. never was a fan of bhyve and i only played with it a couple times. |
| 15:34.07 | Vonor | freenas is the opensource version. truenas is the commercial product. but freenas became truenas core and they are now working on scale based on linux rather than bsd |
| 15:34.30 | quadrathoch2 | RoyK they renamed freenas it to truenas core |
| 15:35.25 | RoyK | ok |
| 15:36.34 | Vonor | i hope they will implement this entire pci pass through stuff into the gui. well, it is there already, but not working correctly. you still have to do a lot of manual work. kinda voids the reason for using truenas rather than plain debian for a kvm / nas mix. |
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| 15:38.40 | Vonor | anyway. i'm afk for a while too. way too hot with the temps outside and several systems running in this room. so shutting down some stuff and going to the balcony :) |
| 15:38.48 | Vonor | thanks everyone and see you later |
| 15:38.53 | quadrathoch2 | Vonor, if truenas itself is already a big indicator, then yes they will implement it, but it will be just basic stuff as big enterprise doesn't really need pci passthrough |
| 15:40.45 | Vonor | some might need it. i hear gpu usage is a big thing in datacenters these days. but such companies will probably use vmware or something else that specializes on virtualization rather than storage |
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| 15:44.12 | quadrathoch2 | Vonor that plus hardware enabled vgpu, where the gpu is shared over multiple OSes |
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| 16:53.59 | CarlFK | https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/SHA256SUMS shows 10.4 - should it be minutes hours or days before that catches up? |
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| 17:06.39 | annadane | CarlFK, in my experience, hours to an entire day |
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| 17:07.18 | annadane | the packages are already updated; the website images take a while |
| 17:07.23 | annadane | for me it's usually a day later |
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| 17:13.20 | CarlFK | annadane: thanks. I can wait. just wanted to make sure it hadn't been missed |
| 17:16.11 | annadane | you don't actually need to constantly update your images |
| 17:16.29 | annadane | anything from the 10 series will generally be ok on fresh install as long as you do an initial update |
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| 17:24.44 | jmcnaught | If you have a network connection during installation then your system will be updated while installing. |
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| 17:39.18 | annadane | right but i thought that wasn't true for some things, like the kerne |
| 17:39.19 | annadane | kenrel |
| 17:39.21 | annadane | KERNEL |
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| 17:41.29 | zmitya | hi all |
| 17:42.05 | zmitya | I would like to convert an LXC container (wheezy) to a KVM virtual machine ... |
| 17:42.39 | zmitya | do you guys have some pointers/suggestions on the topic ? |
| 17:44.13 | quadrathoch2 | zmitya afaik it's installing a vm + copying over the data |
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| 17:45.05 | zmitya | quadrathoch2: well, yes, thats what I thought, but ther must be something where I will fail :) |
| 17:45.28 | quadrathoch2 | zmitya hm why? I guess you set it up the first time or? ^^ |
| 17:46.58 | zmitya | quadrathoch2: well, I have about 10 custom configured LXCs. I will definitely forget about things... So copying over the data will not work I think. That would be nice to have a "procedure" to convert the whole to a VM |
| 17:47.50 | quadrathoch2 | zmitya theoretically, as long as it's the same system+ updated OS you can copy over everything, from configs to packages installed |
| 17:48.01 | quadrathoch2 | but then the next time you will have no idea what you did |
| 17:48.08 | zmitya | I am thinking about building a base VM and then just rsync over the whole LXC... |
| 17:48.29 | zmitya | quadrathoch2: ok, so you also think that this can work :) |
| 17:48.54 | quadrathoch2 | that's what I suggested. just make sure to copy over the right stuff |
| 17:49.42 | zmitya | quadrathoch2: sure.. ok, let me give a try... I just wanted to be sure that there is no "tool" for this ... |
| 17:49.59 | quadrathoch2 | zmitya nope there isn't |
| 17:50.24 | zmitya | quadrathoch2: thx |
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| 19:17.36 | disillusion | how can it be that I've allowed port 443 for an I.P. range (LAN) on an apache server, and one of the clients in this range is blocked by ufw? |
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| 19:18.02 | disillusion | ufw shows "BLOCK" for one of the addresses |
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| 19:19.58 | disillusion | I'm actually able to use the websites just fine though with the https. It's just that the group video app for Nextcloud isn't working for this client. So the whole thing is just weird. |
| 19:21.45 | disillusion | the server address is at 10.9.0.10, client at 10.9.0.6. |
| 19:21.59 | disillusion | ufw on the server has this rule: 443 ALLOW IN 10.9.0.0/24 |
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| 19:22.07 | disillusion | the ufw log shows this: |
| 19:22.20 | disillusion | [UFW BLOCK] IN=tun0 OUT= MAC= SRC=10.9.0.6 DST=10.9.0.10 LEN=40 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=0 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=44198 DPT=443 |
| 19:22.35 | disillusion | that's ufw on the server at 10.9.0.10 |
| 19:23.00 | disillusion | apache on Debian 10 |
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| 19:39.16 | quadrathoch2 | disillusion can you post your whole ufw ruleset? |
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| 19:46.58 | disillusion | quadrathoch2, https://termbin.com/8y78 |
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| 19:49.06 | quadrathoch2 | disillusion that is the full output? |
| 19:49.12 | no_gravity | What happens when you have an internal wifi card and an external wifi usb dongle and both connect to the same wifi spot? Will some packets go through one and some through the other? |
| 19:49.13 | disillusion | yes |
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| 19:50.19 | quadrathoch2 | disillusion can you post the iptables ruleset file? |
| 19:50.58 | quadrathoch2 | no_gravity as far as I know, it just takes one of the wifis, at random |
| 19:51.24 | quadrathoch2 | ahh Sven_vB explained it better ^^ |
| 19:51.49 | no_gravity | quadrathoch2: At random for every packet? |
| 19:52.03 | quadrathoch2 | no_gravity connection |
| 19:52.14 | disillusion | quadrathoch2, https://termbin.com/2o9j |
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| 19:52.48 | disillusion | I don't mess with iptables. Only use a few simple ufw rules. |
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| 19:53.19 | no_gravity | quadrathoch2: Connection? How do you mean? |
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| 19:54.24 | quadrathoch2 | no_gravity let's move this to the ubuntu channel |
| 19:54.35 | quadrathoch2 | disillusion do you have access to that client? |
| 19:54.43 | disillusion | yes |
| 19:55.12 | quadrathoch2 | disillusion could you make sure that there is no program actively blocking that port maybe? |
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| 19:55.37 | quadrathoch2 | disillusion I guess you already flushed the iptables rules and retried? |
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| 19:56.33 | disillusion | quadrathoch2, how would a client effect a server's decision to "BLOCK" access to port 443? |
| 19:57.06 | quadrathoch2 | in this regard maybe no the port specifically but the ip :/ disillusion |
| 19:57.15 | disillusion | I never flushed iptables. Just use ufw to create some rules. I've also installed privateinternetaccess VPN, which edits ip tables directly. |
| 19:57.29 | quadrathoch2 | disillusion did you ever do ufw reload? |
| 19:58.11 | disillusion | trying that |
| 19:59.28 | disillusion | still same BLOCK messages |
| 20:00.13 | quadrathoch2 | disillusion are there any other devices between those two pcs? |
| 20:00.27 | disillusion | I'm testing 2 different clients who I'm trying to get to do video and voice chat in Nextcloud. |
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| 20:01.09 | disillusion | both are BLOCK'd by the apache server on port 443, shown in ufw logs, even though both clients are logged into Nextcloud. This just doesn't make sense. |
| 20:02.53 | disillusion | how are they using Nextcloud, which means they're accessing port 443, and yet whenever I try to use the group video app in Nextcloud, the server says "BLOCK" for those clients in the ufw firewall log? |
| 20:03.12 | quadrathoch2 | disillusion is this going through a turn server? |
| 20:03.41 | disillusion | I just set up a turn server a few days ago to remedy this problem. It didn't fix anything. |
| 20:03.59 | quadrathoch2 | hm, as the turn server would need a few other ports open |
| 20:04.11 | disillusion | and the strange thing is, some clients can do video chats just fine. I don't get why some clients aren't able to connect to each other. |
| 20:04.27 | disillusion | the turn server only needs one port |
| 20:04.31 | quadrathoch2 | disillusion okay that's really interesting |
| 20:04.44 | disillusion | followed these instructions for the turn server: https://help.nextcloud.com/t/howto-setup-nextcloud-talk-with-turn-server/30794 |
| 20:04.47 | quadrathoch2 | disillusion are the clients in the same net? |
| 20:04.59 | disillusion | yes, I have them all on a vpn, using openvpn. |
| 20:05.08 | disillusion | the 10.9.0.0/24 range is the openvpn range |
| 20:05.45 | disillusion | so basically, I've set up a completely private, encrypted, home-run group video chat system |
| 20:06.22 | disillusion | but some clients have issues with the video/audio part. |
| 20:07.11 | quadrathoch2 | disillusion all running the same OS? |
| 20:07.28 | disillusion | I shouldn't need a TURN server because the VPN makes it a de-facto LAN, and Nextcloud Talk is supposed to be able to run on a LAN without any fancy configs. |
| 20:07.52 | quadrathoch2 | yup, was just making sure |
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| 20:08.04 | disillusion | quadrathoch2, no. Some linux distros, some Windows, some Max OSX. |
| 20:08.15 | disillusion | I'm just testing with linux distros for now. |
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| 20:08.28 | disillusion | running Debian 10 server for Nextcloud, using ufw to set firewall rules. |
| 20:08.36 | quadrathoch2 | which distros is the 1 problematic one using? |
| 20:09.03 | disillusion | oh I can't tell which one is the problematic one |
| 20:09.37 | quadrathoch2 | huh? |
| 20:10.19 | disillusion | weird things happen sometimes, like 3 people can be voice chatting, and only 2 can hear each other, but in a weird combo. Like one person hears the other 2, but one of those others doesn't hear one of them. |
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| 20:11.18 | quadrathoch2 | disillusion asked earlier: is there still some device between those clients? (inside the vpn, like a switch) |
| 20:11.21 | disillusion | quadrathoch2, the clients aren't supposed to have to do anything firewall-wise when using Nextcloud Talk. |
| 20:11.47 | disillusion | quadrathoch2, oh yeah I have the TURN server as a 3rd machine. |
| 20:11.50 | quadrathoch2 | disillusion so the firewalls are disabled on the clients? |
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| 20:12.47 | quadrathoch2 | I feel like this is more of a nextcloud issue than debian :/ but not 100% sure |
| 20:13.24 | quadrathoch2 | as I can't replicate that block/error |
| 20:13.26 | disillusion | dude I don't disable firewalls on clients. But the firewall shouldn't even be relevant. Also, I've allowed ports 30000-65000 for the IP range just to see if that's the problem. It doesn't fix anything. |
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| 20:17.52 | disillusion | quadrathoch2, I think Nextcloud is worth trying out if you happen to get interested. Set up a vpn with openvpn and see if you get the clients to do group video chat. |
| 20:18.49 | disillusion | it works most of the time for me and the people I get connected. I just get really frustrated when it randomly fails and cannot find the cause of it, and get this strange "BLOCK" message from ufw. I'm not even sure that's the problem. |
| 20:19.53 | quadrathoch2 | fyi, i'm pretty sure those ports are irrelevant for anything nextcloud related (30000-65000). and I can only say I did test it out, when it was new. and it worked flawlessly. and I do understand you that it's frustrating. can you maybe pull up the ufw.log and grep for BLOCK lines? maybe there is something in there |
| 20:20.15 | disillusion | by default, it comes with an option to use an external STUN server run by the Nextcloud organization in Europe. But mine shouldn't be trying to use that, only internal. |
| 20:22.28 | quadrathoch2 | yeah I tested that one. but also my own |
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| 20:24.04 | disillusion | quadrathoch2, I've checked. Nothing other than the usual blocks of port 113. |
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| 20:27.12 | quadrathoch2 | disillusion so the ufw block you posted earlier, ufw tells us that the source port is 44198 :/ which well yes, gets blocked |
| 20:27.57 | disillusion | but it's the destination port that gets blocked |
| 20:28.01 | disillusion | right? |
| 20:28.37 | disillusion | when I allow in on port 443, I thought the source port doesn't matter. Clients attempt to connect to the server using destination port 443, and the source port doesn't matter, I thought. |
| 20:28.52 | disillusion | are you telling it works differently? |
| 20:29.57 | quadrathoch2 | you are right |
| 20:30.11 | disillusion | so then source port 44198 does not get blocked, right? |
| 20:30.19 | quadrathoch2 | still, as I don't use ufw myself, I have to go through some thinking |
| 20:31.21 | disillusion | and note that I allowed in on 20000 to 65000 tcp just in case, and it doesn't help |
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| 20:34.05 | disillusion | I use ufw because it's supposed to make setting firewall rules easy. |
| 20:35.20 | quadrathoch2 | disillusion it does. |
| 20:35.52 | disillusion | well when weird stuff like my situation happens, things are not so easy ;) |
| 20:38.45 | disillusion | I can try running nextcloud on a different distro and see if these issues arise. I've been liking openSUSE lately. Decided to try it for the heck of it, and I've been impressed by the simple GUI admin apps. |
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| 20:40.48 | quadrathoch2 | still weird the whole issue. |
| 20:42.07 | disillusion | don't see anything in apache error log |
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| 20:43.58 | disillusion | I don't do anything complicated or fancy. Just basic setups. This is what can frustrate me about this kind of problem. A Debian apache server is supposed to be the easiest thing in the world to understand and run these days. |
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| 20:45.19 | disillusion | and keeping something like Nextlcoud contained entirely within an openvpn network shouldn't in any way cause any problems or have any difficulties. |
| 20:45.51 | disillusion | this should be something any teenager can do |
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| 20:45.59 | quadrathoch2 | disillusion, never had issues with such setups :/ |
| 20:46.13 | UncleCidd | Just because you haven't done it yet doesn't mean a teenager won't be able to do it lol |
| 20:46.25 | UncleCidd | I feel your pain on the regular though |
| 20:46.38 | UncleCidd | for far simpler things even |
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| 21:13.27 | CombatVet | 10.5 released? topic shows 10.4 still |
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| 21:14.22 | quadrathoch2 | CombatVet yes, but no image on the page |
| 21:14.25 | quadrathoch2 | for now |
| 21:14.39 | CombatVet | ah |
| 21:15.01 | quadrathoch2 | should be up tomorrow at the latest |
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| 21:37.09 | annadane | packages are updated though |
| 21:37.14 | annadane | feel free to apt upgrade |
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| 22:01.37 | xaviergmail | How can I go about changing the sequential u/gids for newly created users? |
| 22:02.20 | xaviergmail | I have a multi-tenant machine running docker with shared mounts, but the uid/gids "conflict" between the host and containers so some tenants have access to files which they shouldn't |
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| 22:11.55 | abrotman | xaviergmail: /etc/adduser.conf |
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| 22:12.16 | abrotman | or rather, that's one place |
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| 22:51.21 | binaryhermit | hmm, is it possible to have zram and disk-based swap, preferring the zram? |
| 22:54.06 | CyberManifest | binaryhermit: you can mount your ZRAM to any mount point you want, but I'm guessing if you mount it to swap then it'll get erased on reboot and thus be like sending vram to /dev/null https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zram |
| 22:54.48 | binaryhermit | like, I meant a zram swap and an actual swap on disk |
| 22:55.19 | binaryhermit | kinda like having some fast cache to handle stuff you'll probably need really soon, and slower cache to handle stuff you're not likely to need soon |
| 22:56.06 | binaryhermit | let me rephrase that, 2 swap devices, preferring one of them, I guess the fact that one is zram probably isn't relevant |
| 22:58.18 | CyberManifest | binaryhermit: please see https://github.com/novaspirit/rpi_zram and look at the raw file of that script |
| 22:58.59 | CyberManifest | binaryhermit: https://github.com/novaspirit/rpi_zram/blob/master/zram.sh |
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| 22:59.38 | binaryhermit | I fail to see how that's relevant to what I'm asking |
| 22:59.41 | CyberManifest | binaryhermit: that one makes 4 swap spaces |
| 22:59.45 | binaryhermit | right |
| 23:00.03 | CyberManifest | and you can still have your regular swap drive/file handled by the kernel |
| 23:00.05 | binaryhermit | but is it possible to tell whatever handles dumping to swap to prefer a certain swap space |
| 23:00.29 | CyberManifest | binaryhermit: the kerenl and memory calls determine that |
| 23:00.35 | CyberManifest | kernel* |
| 23:01.21 | binaryhermit | like, I know there's a preference to control how heavily the kernel uses swap, is there one to tell it which device to prefer |
| 23:01.32 | binaryhermit | nevermind, I'm off to the googles |
| 23:02.10 | CyberManifest | binaryhermit: sure there are modules and there are fstab mounts and a dozen other ways |
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| 23:03.49 | CyberManifest | binaryhermit: I personally use that script for my raspberry pi and it swaps to 4 places, I also have a swap device specified in my fstab, but lately it appears my swap partition is disabled, I haven't bothered looking into why or where things are going. |
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| 23:05.00 | CyberManifest | binaryhermit: this also may give more information: https://github.com/novaspirit/rpi_zram/issues/2 |
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| 23:06.43 | CyberManifest | binaryhermit: so I guess I was wrong about both, but I can imagine there could be some kind of process split or scheduling to allow such a mechanism but I don't think one currently exists. |
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| 23:14.34 | CyberManifest | binaryhermit: please see https://linux.die.net/man/8/swapon |
| 23:15.26 | CyberManifest | binaryhermit: VRAM and swap partitions use the same swapon command |
| 23:16.04 | CyberManifest | binaryhermit: here is some detailed information: https://www.kernel.org/doc/gorman/html/understand/understand014.html |
| 23:19.11 | binaryhermit | CyberManifest: for the record, it appears to be possible on CentOS/RHEL and presumably debian as well https://www.thegeekdiary.com/centos-rhel-how-to-prioritize-the-devices-used-for-swap-partition/ |
| 23:19.47 | CyberManifest | binaryhermit: yeah that's the impression I was getting from reading: https://www.kernel.org/doc/gorman/html/understand/understand014.html |
| 23:20.30 | binaryhermit | I mean, I'm assuming that's a fairly standard Linux kernel thing and not RHEL doing a Ubuntu |
| 23:20.49 | binaryhermit | Ubuntu likes to do things their own way just because they can |
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| 23:21.00 | binaryhermit | See mir, unity, and snap |
| 23:21.25 | binaryhermit | Though unity was just a DE, so that's not as bad imo |
| 23:22.55 | CyberManifest | binaryhermit: https://wiki.debian.org/ZRam |
| 23:23.17 | binaryhermit | yes, that |
| 23:23.31 | binaryhermit | after some modification, that seems to have done the trick |
| 23:23.45 | binaryhermit | /proc/swaps reflects the priority |
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| 23:25.19 | CyberManifest | binaryhermit: if I'm understanding you right, you're wanting to know if you can have ZRAM and a swap partition for things like hibernation, I too would like to know. |
| 23:26.09 | binaryhermit | Let me test it |
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| 23:26.55 | binaryhermit | Hibernating my laptop, wish me luck |
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| 23:28.49 | CyberManifest | binaryhermit: good luck |
| 23:29.28 | binaryhermit | It seems to have at least partially come back |
| 23:29.59 | binaryhermit | Sometimes it takes a little time for it to fully get it's stuff together, I have slow spinning rust here |
| 23:30.14 | CyberManifest | binaryhermit: I didn't see your hibernation disconnect you from IRC |
| 23:30.59 | binaryhermit | I use quasselclient on my desktop and quasseldroid on my phone connected to a quassel core in the cloud |
| 23:31.19 | binaryhermit | Well, laptop, not desktop, but whatever |
| 23:31.28 | CyberManifest | binaryhermit: just for the record, I like novaspirt's approach to ZRAM better than Debian's it seems more simplistic and sophisticated |
| 23:32.19 | binaryhermit | At least on recent Debian you can install zram-tools and it should more or less just work |
| 23:32.33 | binaryhermit | Might need some minor edits to a config file |
| 23:32.40 | CyberManifest | like "sleep .5" in Debian's script, and the length of it... just feels clanky |
| 23:33.10 | CyberManifest | binaryhermit: yes and I suspect it's using a similar script as the Init V version |
| 23:33.16 | binaryhermit | That script I believe is superseded by zram-tools as of some point no later than buster |
| 23:33.41 | binaryhermit | Anyway it really doesn't matter, to each his or her own |
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| 23:34.06 | CyberManifest | binaryhermit: agreed |
| 23:35.05 | santost12 | someone please contact Alexander Wirt to remove this illegal paste with the following ID: 1158624 |
| 23:36.02 | CyberManifest | https://youtu.be/AEYN5w4T_aM |
| 23:39.38 | EdePopede | santost12: did you look on oftc? |
| 23:40.22 | santost12 | oftc? |
| 23:40.33 | CyberManifest | EdePopede: what does he mean by "illegal paste" ? |
| 23:40.39 | CyberManifest | santost12: oftc = off topic |
| 23:40.47 | EdePopede | !oftc |
| 23:40.47 | dpkg | OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may (or may not) be connected to OFTC's network. http://www.oftc.net/ See also <freenode>, <oftc move> and <fact sharing>. |
| 23:40.50 | EdePopede | nearly ;) |
| 23:40.54 | CyberManifest | ooh |
| 23:40.56 | CyberManifest | my bad |
| 23:41.34 | santost12 | the paste contains link to cp |
| 23:42.00 | CyberManifest | santost12: what paste? |
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| 23:42.27 | santost12 | the one with the ID. im not going to link it. |
| 23:42.31 | santost12 | the ID i mentioned |
| 23:42.38 | santost12 | it's a public paste |
| 23:43.02 | CyberManifest | santost12: but the ID is relevant where? I mean there are like over a doze paste websites. |
| 23:43.19 | CyberManifest | dozen* |
| 23:43.22 | santost12 | Debian's paste. paste.debian.net |
| 23:43.28 | CyberManifest | santost12: ah |
| 23:43.58 | CyberManifest | santost12: incase you can't tell I'm kinda new to the Deb community, came from ~arch (Manjaro) |
| 23:44.11 | CyberManifest | and before that LM and before that Redhat |
| 23:44.52 | WormholeTraveler | OFTC is not Off topic @CyberManifest |
| 23:45.02 | WormholeTraveler | its Open and Free Technology |
| 23:45.13 | WormholeTraveler | Reminder, the official Debian channel is on OFTC, not Freenode @CyberManifest |
| 23:45.25 | CyberManifest | WormholeTraveler: yes, it's already been explained and I already said: "ooh" "my bad" |
| 23:45.42 | WormholeTraveler | no you didnt. Im watching your convo. |
| 23:46.09 | WormholeTraveler | nevermind. youre spreading bad fuckin information. |
| 23:46.10 | CyberManifest | check 18:40 |
| 23:46.44 | CyberManifest | 18:40 CST so like 6~7 min ago |
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| 23:48.22 | CyberManifest | WormholeTraveler: where am I spreading bad *explicative* information ? |
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